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Russia Responds To US Warning: Expands Military Presence Globally

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Shortly after the US warned Russia over its "provocative actions" with regard Ukraine...


RiaNovosti reports defense minister Sergei Shoigu saying Russia plans "to expand permanent military presence outside its borders by placing military bases in a number of foreign countries," including Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, and Singapore. "The talks are under way, and we are close to signing the relevant documents," Shoigu told reporters in Moscow.

Via RiaNovosti,

Russia is planning to expand its permanent military presence outside its borders by placing military bases in a number of foreign countries, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday.


Shoigu said the list includes Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore and several other countries.


The talks are under way, and we are close to signing the relevant documents,” Shoigu told reporters in Moscow.


The minister added that the negotiations cover not only military bases but also visits to ports in such countries on favorable conditions as well as the opening of refueling sites for Russian strategic bombers on patrol.


Moscow currently has only one naval base outside the former Soviet Union – in Tartus, Syria, but the fate of this naval facility is uncertain because of the ongoing civil war in that country.


Post-Soviet Russia closed a large naval base in Vietnam and a radar base in Cuba in 2002 due to financial constraints.


However, Russia has started reviving its navy and strategic aviation since mid-2000s, seeing them as a tool to project the Russian image abroad and to protect its national interests around the globe.


Now, Moscow needs to place such military assets in strategically important regions of the world to make them work effectively toward the goal of expanding Russia’s global influence.


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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:37 | 4482717 Looney
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Shoigu said the list includes Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore and several other countries

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:38 | 4482719 THX 1178
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Inertia creeps, moving up slowly....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:39 | 4482725 Looney
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Shoigu said the list includes Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore and several other countries

What about MEXICO?   ;-)


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:41 | 4482731 bania
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John, why the long face?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:43 | 4482737 Looney
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It ain't that long, comparing to Hillary's left nipple. ;-)


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:46 | 4482752 Boris Alatovkrap
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You are create much disturbing imagery. Please now excuse as Boris is throw up little in mouth.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:53 | 4482781 StacksOnStacks
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Aren't we giving Vietnam Nuclear fuel and instructions on how to enrich it and shit?  Bullish I guess.



Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:03 | 4482835 knukles
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Not to be demeaning or rude, but Vlad just rubbed the Kenyon's face in it again.
Big time.

There is no hope left.
Any people with even half a dim-witted brain will be concluding it is better to be Vlad's Bud than Obie's Sucker

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:07 | 4482845 Flakmeister
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How so, pray tell?

Vlad is currently running around trying to get Humpty back together again....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:12 | 4482876 Overfed
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Vlad is doing nothing more than just giving O'bomb-a the finger. Simple as that.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4482920 Pasadena Phil
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Exactly. Russia's navy does not have the tools to project serious power very far. They are just taunting Obama knowing that this administration is clueless. Kerry issues another warning and Putin answers with that warship that just pulled into Havana a few hours ago.

This isn't a matter of the US not having the resources but of not having the spine at the top.  I wouldn't be surprised if Obama responded by recruiting McCain to negotiate over Ukraine ordering the new government to knuckle under to the Russians. Let's not forget that McCain and Kerry were telling the rebels to accept the EU compromise which they rejected and then succeeded in toppling the corrupt government to the West's consternation.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:29 | 4482952 Overfed
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Yup. Vlad has O'bomb-a's number, and he knows he can tell this administration to just go fuck themselves, and they won't do a damn thing about it except bluster out another empty warning. O'bomb-a and Co. need to learn to shut the fuck up already.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:56 | 4483041 BLOTTO
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Im a believer that 'they' own both sides of this conflict like they have in the else do you control the outcome?


If its not, how is it that the end result works out for our controllers every single time and the masses lose?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:03 | 4483986 General Decline
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Well said

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:22 | 4483124 Boris Alatovkrap
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Vlad is more muscle in pinky finger than is Barry in all of Reggie Love hind quarter.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:44 | 4484091 Truthseeker2
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"The US-EU blatant intervention in the overthrow of the Ukrainian Government will not go unanswered by Russia.  While the time and the place and the way remain a mystery, the will of Putin is well known."


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 08:55 | 4483964 Lost My Shorts
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Y'alls crazy, and your obsession with Vlad's pinky is embarrassing.

Russian relations with Ukraine mean much more to Russia than just a pissing match with Obomba.  They have teen tightening the vise for years, threatening annexation of Crimea, threatening annexation of the eastern Ukraine.  (No conicidence that things heat up just as the Olympics end, and Vlad no longer has that reason to make nice with the "international communicy.")  The borders of Ukraine have shifted wildly over the centuries, and the Soviet version included a lot of ethnically and linguistically Russian territory.  This is not a hornet's nest that the US can control or should try to control.  Don't take it from me; take it from Ron Paul.

You have this absurd idea that Obomba can dictate terms in our neighborhood (no Russian base in Nicaragua) and also dictate terms in Vlad's neighborhood.  Here is the recipe for a McCainya colada:  rum, Geritol, Xanax and banana juice.  Drink enough of those and anything is possible.  You can join the McCain Brigade to fight Vlad on the steppes of Russia, but count me out.  In the real world, all the US can do is maximize the price of Russia's maneuvers in Ukraine -- make controlling their own neighborhood expensive instead of cheap.  Judge Kerry on that, after enough time passes to judge.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:35 | 4482969 vened
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Q: What do you call the shittiest flake?
A: Flakmeister

flake. n. An unreliable person; someone who agrees to do something, but never follows through. 1. John called in sick to work again today. He's such a flake. 2.

miester - From the german "meister" meaning master.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:09 | 4483022 Flakmeister
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My fuck that was clever....

How long did it take you to figure it out....

And did mommy help a little or a lot?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:24 | 4483133 Boris Alatovkrap
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You are very clever set up joke for trick people. You are master baiter.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:50 | 4483213 Flakmeister
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And you are a poor excuse for a Yakov Smirnoff wannabe....

At least be original and not some lame rip off with potty jokes...

At least my schtick is real and original....

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 08:51 | 4483953 StychoKiller
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Dem down arrows say you full of yerself...

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:58 | 4484144 Flakmeister
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Actually, the ratio is better than usual....

As if greenies here represent any relevant metric...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:46 | 4483200 climber
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Last I checked the Russians are one of two countries in the world that have the capabilites to launch nuclear weapons in three different ways, so I do not know where you are getting that they do not have the tools to project serious power. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:51 | 4483219 Flakmeister
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:53 | 4483226 climber
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Was that wrong?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:05 | 4483262 Flakmeister
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Yes, because the way the game works, launching nukes is like tilting at pinball... Game over... Nobody wins...

 "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:56 | 4483401 Hephaestus
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Guess u nerver heard the term tactical nuke. Big bomb teeny package. A lot of those can go off without destroying the planet. Also over 2000 nukes have been detonated since WWII. Posted here before recently but it definitely suits the mood enjoy.

A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945

PS what do you guys think was on that ship that docked in CUBA?  




I think its all three loaded into long range versions of those holy hot shit hyper fast dodgy Russian anti ship missles. Retuned and refined for land targets.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:09 | 4484132 Flakmeister
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Thanks for demonstrating the validity of my assertion

Ladies and Gentlmen, Exhibit B...

BTW, underground tests are not exactly a relevant comparison....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:05 | 4483261 OZZIDOWNUNDER

ONLY illinformed Yank Wanks would think otherwise. USA Bully tactics will /are coming home to roost sooner than you might imagine.

USA has cut & run in every major conflict it has started since WW2. Gutless Wanks .

They call it a War to invade 3/4th World Countries -a clear superiority in Weapons & manpower & yet manage to look like the chicken shits they are in the end run.

Will be a BIG mistake to prod the Bear !

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:31 | 4482955 johnQpublic
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they've crossed the line

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:40 | 4482995 The Gooch
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:17 | 4483113 Flakmeister
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Yep, and it will be about as effective as me saying fuck you to some one on the boards here...

Putin has a lot of shit to set straight, lets see how it looks in 6 weeks...

Squashing Georgia or South Ossetia will be nothing compared to 45 million people over 600,000 sq km (slightly smaller than Texas)

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:25 | 4483126 Overfed
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Oh no, I disagree. It's another opportunity taken on the part of Vlad to make O'bomb-a and Co. look like the impotent fucking idiots that they are. On the world stage, no less. You can count on Crimea remaining under Russian influence for the forseeable future.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:44 | 4483195 Flakmeister
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The fate of Crimea, or at the very least Sevastapol, was never under debate...

And yes, there is no shortage of stupid Neo-con fantasies out there. Take it up with them...

It would also appear that you are blinded to a few realities. This game is played for keeps and there are no shortage of very competent hard assed pricks on either side in case you did not notice...

Let me put it this way, do you think there is a lick of difference between Putin and Dick Cheney?

Finally, quit insulting my intelligence with your overtly lame partisan bullshit. If you want to play for greenies take it elsewhere...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:06 | 4483267 Overfed
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What in the world are you talking about? I don't play partisan, dude.

I'm fully aware of the stakes here (Russia/Ukraine), and the US/EU will back down. Putin will make fools of this administration and EU yet again.

BTW, do you think O'bomb-a is even slightly less evil than Cheney?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:41 | 4484285 Graph
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Roar from Aurora ship in Seavastopol!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:27 | 4482937 Calmyourself
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Flak, what are you doing here thought you were heading over to lecture Vlad on carbon dioxide and how excess plant food warms the earth unreasonably..  Hey did everyone see how Michael Mann is getting his ass handed to him by Ball and Steyn, muuhhhaaa 

Off topic but well worth it:

Scroll down past the babes.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:58 | 4483045 Flakmeister
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The proper way to look at it is that Steyn is the one getting Mann-SLAPPed...

I'll trust the Bunnies here at Rabetts House:


 The first counterclaim is

As a result of Plaintiff’s campaign to silence those who disagree with him on a highly controversial issue of great public importance, wrongful action and violation of the Anti-SLAPP Act, Steyn has been damaged and is entitled to damages, including but not limited to his costs and the attorneys’ fees he has incurred and will incur in the future in defending this action, all in an amount to be determined at trial, but in any event, not less than $5 million, plus punitive damages in the amount of $5 million.

 Mark Steyn, may have not noticed that the court has denied their special motion to dismiss under the DC Anti-SLAPP act Still pretending that nothing has happened Steyn’s first claim for damages, based on the DC Anti-SLAPP act appears to find something in that law that is not there, e.g. the possibility of an award for damages based on a violation of the anti-SLAPP act. Popcorn please. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:17 | 4483112 swmnguy
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Mark Steyn...the word that comes to mind is "odious."  Not even for political reasons.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:48 | 4483207 Calmyourself
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Odious, hmm because he beat up the kangaroo civil rights court in Canada or is he just funnier than you..

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:39 | 4483183 Calmyourself
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My reasoned response liar, liar..  Canadian courts are demanding Mann's metadata in discovery he refuses to release it.  He is toast along with the rest of the lying liar warmists.  Tell us Flak exactly what benefits can we expect if we do exactly what you want massive .gov control etc..  A perfect climate, cabbage the size of volkswagons, watermelons big enough to fit Al Gore in, what benefits should we expect?  There are benefits right...  Sell us your vision of almighty .gov..

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:46 | 4483199 Flakmeister
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Promise us that when Ball and Steyn get their asses hand to them, that you will fuck off and never post here again on climate...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:50 | 4483214 Calmyourself
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Blow me guvlover...  Whose SUV was it that froze the thames for the frost festivals??  Cannot answer, bzzz, you lose..

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:15 | 4483298 Calmyourself
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You sell warming/change, are there no benefits to your Global Warming scam?  The stupidiest con man has some benefits to sell.  No wonder people will not stick their head in your noose, you cannot even sell the stupid thing on the benefits,  MASSIVE FAIL...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:37 | 4483173 mendolover
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Wow!  OK I'm back.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:52 | 4483223 TheReplacement
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"Scroll down past the babes."


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:31 | 4482957 Ness.
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Vlad ain't alone.  You heard it here first.


To summarize: Japan, China, Russia, India and Iran: the countries which together account for the bulk of the world's productivity and combined are among the biggest explorers and producers of energy. And now they all have partial bilateral arrangements, and all of which will very likely expand their bilateral arrangements to multilateral, courtesy of Obama's foreign relations stance which by pushing the countries into a corner has forced them to find alternative, USD-exclusive, arrangements.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:53 | 4483227 Renewable Life
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Vlad, is FAR from "running around" do anything!  He just pulled off the most successful winter olympic in recent memory, just because most Americans think the world is still flat and that we are all still worshipped around the world still for our "love of freedom and justice for all"  Which of course is total and utter BS and if you've traveled outside the borders in the last 10 years, your WELL aware of this! All of Ukraine is not his objective, although 2/3 of Ukrainians identify with Russia more then Europe! 

However it doesn't mean becuase they identify more culturally with Russia, they trust Russia more, So this thing is far from over!

Second, Vlad didn't say anything about Naval bases, but military bases! And military bases give you the reason and opportunity to engage in that Countries affairs! Look at that list, and get ready for those Countries to be on the radar for the next proxy wars "the company" focuses on! 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:11 | 4483538 TheMeatTrapper
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Obama's EBT crowd is running around sayin what a You Crane is and why they don't be havin' one. 

Oh, and don't forget - Humpty Fuckin Dumpty is a creepy ass white cracker.

Humpty White Assed Dumpty don't deserve to be put back together again on the back of the niggas that built this motherfuckin place!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:39 | 4483573 lewietheparrot
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Green for this:

"Humpty Fuckin Dumpty is a creepy ass white cracker."

Sheer poetry, bro'

thanks for the laugh

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:07 | 4482850 Looney
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...  Any people with even half a dim-witted brain will be concluding it is better to be Vlad's Bud than Obie's Sucker...  Even Reggie Love?  ;-)


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:27 | 4482941 Iocosus
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I saw what you did there

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:11 | 4482852 SWRichmond
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Cuba Nicaragua Venezuela...welcome to our hemispere

either they're really pissed off or they're all in on it together.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:23 | 4482929 CrashisOptimistic
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About 6 million bpd of the good stuff from Russia to the EU Every Single Day at $110 per. 

That's $241 BILLION/year the EU pays Russia to build these bases.  And that's not even including GAZPROM's gas.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:46 | 4483016 Flakmeister
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And that is not counting cost of lift....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:55 | 4482787 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I'll bet that her beef curtains are even longer than her left nipple.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:57 | 4482799 unrulian
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in her case its refered to as a stink purse.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:02 | 4482822 SWRichmond
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see now Putin is merely responding to provocation.  Susan Rice is an idiot.  Outmaneuvered again.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:04 | 4482840 knukles
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Methinks Susan is but a symptom of the problem.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:34 | 4483139 Pure Evil
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I think they're called meat curtains, but when it comes to Shitlery who's keeping track, certainly not me.

But the rumor is, Shitllery's meat curtains are so long, she has a curtain rod in her shower to hang her flaps over so she can squeegie them down.

Of course I could be wrong, beef curtains seems to be all the rage, just ask Miley Cyrus.


And speaking of Miley: "I was doing this slut the other day and her beef curtains were hanging almost to her knees."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:33 | 4482961 johnQpublic
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i thought hillary had bills penis by now

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:28 | 4483146 Pure Evil
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Hillary's a lesbian. She no like sausage unless its a latex strap-on.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:58 | 4482804 Overfed
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Eeewwww.....She is one of the few women whose labia I would refer to as beef curtains. Blech.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:12 | 4482874 Meat Hammer
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Bacon strips

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:15 | 4482889 Overfed
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I'm gonna have to break out the eyebleach again soon.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:43 | 4483004 CCanuck
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Thank You Overfed,

Meat Hammer put it over the edge, won't be able to look a bacon for a month now.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:58 | 4483047 Overfed
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Always happy to help out.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:37 | 4483171 Pure Evil
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I just went to that site and all I saw were Hitlery's bacon strips.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:07 | 4483270 Overfed
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You may need another dose.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:04 | 4482813 Looney
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... and there's always a man feeding Monica behind those meat curtains... (poor Boris! he must be pukin' all over his left-handed keyboard again)   ;-)


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:40 | 4482993 Dr. Destructo
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Does borscht taste the same coming up as going down?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:27 | 4483143 Boris Alatovkrap
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Depend is drink vodka BEFORE or AFTER eat borscht.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4482742 Boris Alatovkrap
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AmeriKa elect unknown amateur communist organizer with bad drug addiction who is appoint boring waffle head sycophant for secretary of state would is be grave mistake...

Ooops, is too too late.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:48 | 4482761 1stepcloser
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Boris Remember us at the re-education camp, I assume you'll be running the place.  Code word for ZHers is Chirnipples!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:51 | 4482773 HoofHearted
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So much for the traditional Olympic truce. Who pissed on the Olympic flame anyhow? Normally I'd say it is Biden, just watching that idiot. But the Molotov cocktails out of Ukraine should have been enough to keep some sort of flame going...

Damned if there isn't a whole lot of sabre-rattling and schlong-waving going on recently.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:55 | 4482789 TahoeBilly2012
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Amen. What a sad situation.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:57 | 4482794 MsCreant
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Dear Boris,

I find myself vexed about a hypothetical something and I think I will pour my heart out to Boris because it is a pretty perfect place to start the conversation.

My country (the USA) is run by ass clowns who are making decisions that don't represent pretty much anything that I am about.

This makes my country very vulnerable for so many reasons.

It makes me vulnerable because my country could be attacked simply because we have attacked so many.

Russia looks like it is being run (good God) by someone with a vision. I may not agree with everything about this vision. But Jeezuz if we act the way we do (or let our asshats act the way they do) we invite being attacked. 

I imagine being at war with Russia. I imagine winning or losing. Or maybe it is all losing. I imagine having to fight them. I can't do it with my head held high. Yet I don't think they are about anything too much better than we are about. 

Can I attack those who are attacking me, simply because they are attacking me? When I know my side is wrong, too? Or should I just shut up and be amurrikan?

This sucks. 

It has probably always been this way. 

I am, of course, asking the community how they think about this issue. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:08 | 4482857 TeamDepends
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Attack is never justified, Missy.  But if some Ivan wearing the blue helmet comes to your door to you-know-what, you pump 'em full of lead just as you would some Barry lovin' mow-ron from Chicago, or some Chinaman hearing the voice of Mao....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:30 | 4483152 Boris Alatovkrap
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Beware of Russian name Ivan Tukikyuras, is tough one son of gun.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:35 | 4483628 Freddie
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If Ivan comes to my door in a blue helmet I will say:

"Say hello to my little friend!"

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:13 | 4482881 knukles
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It has become progressively worse over the generations.
Little doubt.
The peak of empire (for whatever reasons) has passed as a totalitarian regime of the monied class and government is legally and openly looting the country tearing the thin veneer of civilization from our society.


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:16 | 4482895 DaddyO
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MsCreant, you ask an honest question and I feel compelled to respond to your transperancy.

This headline and story drives home how close things are to boiling over.;_ylt=AwrBJR5Abg5TY3cAUS_QtDMD

The dock where this ship is moored is only about 150 miles from my home.

I did not vote for, endorse or in any other way invite the current situation in my home country.

The current US regime has usurped its authority, abdicated any responsible world position and continues to plunge us headlong into the abyss of destruction, both financial and societal.

I feel your pain and uncertainty and would encourage you to use the discomfort as motivation to prepare for uncertain times ahead.

What that preparation plan looks like is different for every person, based on their family situation.

My heart aches for those younger than I and I grieve because the world is in such a horrid state of affairs.

It has not always been in this state, my youth was care free, save for the Cuban Missle Crisis and I tried to insulate my children as they grew up by living in a remote rural location.

The refreshing of the Liberty Tree is long overdue and may be closer than we all know. The tipping point is the real unknown at this point.

Will it happen internally or externally remains to be seen. With the recent escalation in world tensions it may well come from an external source.

Pray for the best and plan for the worst...



Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:20 | 4482914 SWRichmond
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the thing you defend with whatever force is required is your personal liberty, and against all comers.  It is up to each of us to decide when to start shooting.

I am no more comfortable with "enemy of my enemy" than anyone else here.  I harbor no illusions about Putin and what his motives are.  every freaking psychopath on the planet who calls himself a political leader wants me to be his slave and I am tired of it.

does that answer your question?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:58 | 4483046 Savyindallas
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Obama has a vision too   it's just not a vision for America or ameicans, much less humanity. It's a vision carefully scripted (perhaps for decades or even centuries) of global control by the power elites who rule this country and our institutions, and who control most of the American sheeple. "Baaa. Baaaa. baaaaa" say the sheeple.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:11 | 4483611 lewietheparrot
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The first time we communicated was several years ago, you asked if you could be a member of the 'do-nothing dudes', if I am remembering it correctly.

Nothing has changed in all that time except that this is a new crisis---yet, still, just another crisis. If you have any responsibility for this, then I suppose you might have a vague reason for concern of conscience, but I doubt that this is the case.

Our country, 'your country' no longer exists---it went down with the invasion of Afghanistan a couple of months after 9/11. They still haven't finished destroying it and we will just have to wait---doing-nothing until they are finished and are eating each other---there is nothing else left to eat.

Anyway, we were born without responsibility for others and we will die in the same condition---no choice of birth--no choice of death if life is what you choose. It is all the same---one day you're here and another day you are gone----

But, that is not really true either because each day you are here there are flowers, trees, cats, friends, family, eating, sleeping-----life--real life and not the virtual reality that is found on any blog.

You have always seemed like the kind of person that would a good friend-----for that reason, please, take a deep breath and then blow it off and all of this will disappear.

Thanks, for your post and your presence-----you are one of my favorites of all time.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:14 | 4484192 MsCreant
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Thanks to all for the responses to my "hypothetically" posed situation/thought experiment. I learned something from each post. Felt a little like "taking a temperature" too. There are good folks here. That is worth paying attention to. America may be a myth and a lie at this stage, but it is important to know that good, pragmatic, thoughtful people can still be found. All empires suck. We seem to drift towards building them and tearing them down. It is how we contribute to entropy I suppose.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:21 | 4484193 MsCreant
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:54 | 4483036 Savyindallas
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He's gay. too. Takes it up the old poop shooter-- -  not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. Just an interesting point of trivia.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4482743 TeamDepends
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I don't even like ketchup, but she makes me roll around in it and yell, "I'm a fucking french fry!"

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:01 | 4482823 countryboy42
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With that image, I think I shall just dunk my head in the boiling oil, and catch the fries in my mouth. Bobbing for french fries, who knows, might catch on in the banker world.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:44 | 4483007 rbg81
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Not since Warren Christoper have we had such an effective Secretary of State.  Sheeeze....Kerry even makes Hillary look good.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:11 | 4482868 oncefired
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Do we actually think anybody takes the elephant man seriously?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:47 | 4482734 BlackChicken
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Deleted post.

Our country is a ship with no rudder, and no captain.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:48 | 4482754 Looney
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Not to pick up a fight witcha, BC, but... instead of "a little less spying and a lot more attention to global affairs", how 'bout "a lot less spying and no attention to global affairs"?

Don't we have a "few" problems here, at home, to be taken care of FIRST?  ;-)


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:02 | 4482829 BlackChicken
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I agree Looney, that's why I deleted and changed my comment.

Those willfully violating our rights should be tried for treason, and if found guilty should recieve the punishment laid out in the law.

Our problems here don't mean squat to those allegedly elected, that should be obvious to anyone who could fog up a mirror.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:49 | 4482767 Boris Alatovkrap
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Maybe Barry is more golf play, more cannabis to choom, more crack to snort, do USSA and world favor with less stupid press appearancing.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:07 | 4482849 thamnosma
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He's a double agent.  Maybe the Manchurian Candidate for real -- first movie, not the bullshit remake.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:44 | 4483010 vened
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crack is also choomed.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:44 | 4482741 disabledvet
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if at all.

I listened to the Secretary of State's comments today and I heard nothing that warned of consequences if Russia "busts a move" here.
Either he is supremely over-confident or he knows something.
Either way the lack of any "line in the sand" was psychologically...well, "Kerry-esque" I guess.

I had a bad night sleeping last night btw.
I'm tired of having bad nights sleeping.

I had a good day though.
No nervous pit in the stomach.
And no...i'm not looking for answers either.
I just love a good night's sleep...that's all.

Having the right kinda gal near by wouldn't hurt either of course.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:07 | 4482846 disabledvet
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thanks for the up arrow (a rarity for me in any situation actually...and no i didn't give it to myself)...and yes, Russia should be...should have to have taken Ukraine "without having their man flee from the battlefield."

Sorry but this thing looks like a friggin' mess to me no matter how much everyone here "pom-pom's" Putin.

I think we all agree that this situation requires some "sensitivity" no?
Then again...
maybe not...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:36 | 4482975 The Gooch
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+1 for Massive Attack

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:30 | 4483150 tip e. canoe
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yeah, i had to play the song cuz i kept hearing the lyrics in me head.

have you heard this remix?   wikkid old school drum & bass

Massive Attack - Inertia Creeps (State Of Bengal Mix)
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:40 | 4482728 AlaricBalth
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Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore.
Sounds like a nice vacation package.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:46 | 4482751 kaiserhoff
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and that's all it will be.  The once formidable Russian sub fleet mostly rusted out in Latvia, when they were broke and could no longer pay for it.  Have to give the Ruskies credit.  They know how to shovel shit.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:27 | 4482940 CrashisOptimistic
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See above.

6 million barrels per day to the EU for $110/barrel.  That's $241 BILLION per year and doesn't even include GAZPROM's gas flow money.

People have to understand who is in charge.  It's not who has the gold makes the rules.  It's who has the spigot makes the rules.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:44 | 4483196 Calmyourself
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Explain the Saudis, Kuwaiti's you get the picture they seem strangely impotent..

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:39 | 4482722 Agent P
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Boy, that escalated quickly.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:39 | 4482723 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:41 | 4482726 Smegley Wanxalot
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Go Putin ... kick obama's sorry ass.  Never thought Russia would be more on the side of Liberty than the USA, but it is.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4482745 AlaricBalth
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Obama better rethink the firing of all the experienced brass. All he has left are goose stepping, toe the line sycophants.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:55 | 4482790 Remington IV
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sounds like Fidel and Chavez's plan is working , through their stooge puppet  , Obama

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:57 | 4482798 TahoeBilly2012
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It's the militarized "Rainbow Coalition".

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:58 | 4482805 NotApplicable
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Nothing tightens up the troops quite like a good decimation.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:39 | 4482987 Calmyourself
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Wait till its applied in the FEMA camps, you'll shovel faster then won't ya? Arbeit macht frie 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:40 | 4482729 Cognitive Dissonance
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The bear claws are sharp.

<I wonder how the USA would feel if Russia was messing around in Cuba. Oh....wait.>

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:01 | 4482817 NotApplicable
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More importantly, who's slated to win this match?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:27 | 4482938 DaddyO
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My guess is that Vlad is going to win game, set and match.

Barry hasn't the stomach for any tussles with Vlad the Terrible. (Have you seen him with his shirt off?)

Barry is a little schoolgirl playing tea with his butt buddies while Vlad plays cowboys and indians and runs rough shod over the neighborhood.


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:40 | 4483169 Urban Redneck
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I've been suffering some cognitive dissonance all day.

What if the models are wrong? The groupthink seems more Pottery Barn Rule than a thorough Weinberger-Powell run through

Predicated on occupation based on counter-move (which can just as easily be engineered)

Obozo is no Tricky Dick or Darth Cheney (and there is adult supervision at the pentagram)

The risk analysis has been buggered to death, but the reward analysis seems almost virginal

Would it really be the Prague the model, or an updated "kinder, gentler" model?

The larger longer term threat is the eastern front, not the western front, anyway

The current alignment of immediate resources, decaying demographic window, and remote flaccid opposition is rare and of very limited duration

The terrain is relatively friendly, success would mend EU fences and facilitate the longer term ambition for the western front

The real threat might well be the exposed bankster flank

but, If they can execute it right...

That level of risk tolerance is rare that high up (responsibility has a funny habbit of neutering otherwise alpha males)

But something doesn't feel right, and pre-announcing deals just adds to it (even though publicly dickslapping Mr. Ed and his boss probably feels good, it's peculiar behavior)

Perhaps it's just sleep deprivation.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:43 | 4482730 BlackChicken
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Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:42 | 4482732 Berspankme
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Reggie might find Barry a little tense tonight

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:57 | 4482796 disabledvet
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would the USA ask for permission to "go into Texas"?

We didn't "the first time"...and it wasn't even "ours."
The consensus of every US military officer at the time was that the whole thing was mistake. "There was no hesitation" though.
Interestingly...Texas was an independent country for a while too.

Some say it still is.
I know of no one who has ever said that about Ukraine.
Save me of course.
A claim that "territorial integrity be respected" has been acknowledged by three principal players (the US, the EU and Russia.)

That doesn't sound like the place gets to run itself however.
That ain't Cuba.

If I were the Russian Defense Minister I would be advising "confusion" as bad.
If I were the Foreign Minister this would be "the Heart of Russia"..not "little Russia."

"We aren't invading you because we own you. This in fact is an act of love. Contrition even." You know..."to be together does not mean being apart" kinda thing.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:42 | 4482733 Sleepless Knight
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Oops. Not the response they expected! Schooled again.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:54 | 4482785 Remington IV
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Obama's plan is working

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4482749 1stepcloser
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So what now Buckerooh!

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:47 | 4482753 I Write Code
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Just exactly what does Lurch mean by, "grave"?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:48 | 4483208 Pure Evil
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It means Putin is shoring up his forces in Eastern Ukraine while O'ButFukker is limp wrist-ing into a lame duck.

For the Democrats going into the mid-terms, that spells "grave consequences."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:50 | 4482763 Ness.
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Check.  Your move Johnny Ketchup.


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:52 | 4482778 I Write Code
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He just squirted a red line across your board.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:02 | 4482800 Ness.
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Haha.  And Johnny just squirted a little brown line in his tighty whities.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:51 | 4482771 Flakmeister
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Yeah, I'd say that if Vlad went full retard on the Ukraine triggering a intifada type insurgency resulting in a "Kabul on the Dnieper" scenario that it would be a grave mistake on his part...

As for foreign bases, it would appear Vlad can bluster with the best of them.....

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:56 | 4482791 HoofHearted
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Shit, people have been learning from Napoleon to Hitler that you don't chase the Russian army during the dead of winter. One side is going to survive.

Now, Obama and minions like Lurch, shut your fucking piehole and figure out some of the problems here in the USSA first. Me, I'm happy t ohave some of Kalashnikov's stuff, even some of Tokarev's. I ain't got no problems with no Ruissians or Soviets or Putin or whatever. They've been leaving me alone.

The Ukrainians should be able to figure out their own affairs, and the Russians should leave them to it. But do we want to stick our noses in that beehive? The Russian bear is already there. 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:11 | 4482870 thamnosma
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RIP Mr. Kalashnikov.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:33 | 4482963 acetinker
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For some reason, your comment reminds me of Mr. Panos.  And snow monkeys.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:33 | 4483566 Volkodav
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Summer is not a good time either. Much Siberia is swamps and Taiga.

Sweden, Napoleon, Germany never even got far enough to experience that in real.


Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:22 | 4482924 disabledvet
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hmmmm. very interesting comment.

again..."this is not something one hesitates with."
We went all the way to Mexico City to "get" Texas.

That peace treaty is still in force even today.
Vladamir needs a "more than Ukraine"?
Everyone agrees there are lots of Russians here.
Is there a moral claim here?
That this is Russia's "patron State"?

A good argument can be made to sit this one out?
You all tell me.
I don't have the answers here.
I did say "the President needs a win here."
Define "Presidential Victory"?

Somebody? Anybody?
More than just "being there"?
Running the place has been proposed here actually...

And would have to run it well...
I agree "C-5 Galaxies flying in unimpeded and permanently stationed there would connote defeat" if you're the opposition.

That's not what is going to happen...yes, yes?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:04 | 4483061 acetinker
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It's the Amerikkan way, dv.  We destabilize people.  Then, we offer 'help'.  If they resist, we destabilize a little more- ad infinitum.

If you are a disabled vet, you have my sympathy... and a bit of contempt.  The same tactics described above have also been employed on both of us, as well.  As for the contempt, it's because you allowed your mind and body to be used as part of this destabilizing force I describe.

Maybe you know this.  Maybe you see yourself as an unsung hero. Maybe neither is true.

I couldn't give a shit less what 'this President' needs.  He's just doing what he's told.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:53 | 4482780 Payne
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We have the Best NSA, I mean surveillance society in the World.  We used to have a pretty capable military until Clinton, Bush, Barry etc ripped its balls off.

How could anything go wrong.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:03 | 4482832 NotApplicable
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Yeah, but who do they all work for?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:54 | 4482782 Son of Captain Nemo
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Should have started 12 years ago.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:54 | 4482783 Winston Churchill
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Iran is no doubt one of the other countries.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:55 | 4482788 l8apex
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I wonder if all of our wonderful spying means that the NSA knew of this in advance.  After all, there would have to be communication between Russia and all of these other countries.

Somehow I doubt that the NSA knew anything other than how to watch porn.  Wait, that's the SEC isn't it?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:01 | 4482819 vxpatel
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the nsa was too busy snooping on cheating spouses...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:57 | 4482797 pashley1411
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Singapore?   someone's butt-hurt

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:43 | 4483192 Urban Redneck
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Jack Lew or John Koskinen?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 06:24 | 4483772 agent default
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In Asia face is important.  You slap someone in the face with FATCA, they will slap you right back, but harder.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:59 | 4482810 MTAR
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Wow now I defintiely need an underground bunker. How quickly will this escalate folks? Will Russia and USA, start nuking it out?

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 20:59 | 4482812 vxpatel
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Someone forgot to tell the russians we beat them in the cold war, under the guidance of ronald McReagan.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:27 | 4483140 SmallerGovNow2
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and they are beating us now the EXACT same way.  bleeding us to DEATH...

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:01 | 4483253 Haager
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That was a necessarity because this dumb German Führer-puppet failed to beat them on the battlefield. And we need an enemy, a threat - something that allows to keep up military spending.

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