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President Of China's Marine Institute For Security: "Glory Drenched In Blood Will Pave China’s Road To Revitalization"

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Some very disturbing thoughts are laid out in this blog post written by Dai Xu. He is a Chinese author, social commentator, and the president of Marine Institute For Security And Cooperation, he also a professor at the National Defense University. First posted in the US China Perception Monitor.

China Not Afraid of Conflict

The year 2013 was a year without fighting, but there was a strong potential for conflict. This year, the impact of local wars on the world situation is much more serious than in previous years.

This year, the U.S. behaved very arrogantly, and Obama’s intentions were unclear; the Middle East retreated, East Asia rallied.

In the 20th century, as a challenger of empires built on hegemonies, America’s national strategy was to break up and surround Eurasia and its three big political powers: the Middle Eastern Islamic world, Russia, and China. America also wanted to make further steps toward the fragmentation of these empires and complete their establishment of a global empire.

Throughout the presidencies of George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, the last 20 years of military campaigns, and especially America’s current three front war, the U.S. has made several important advances: anti-U.S. powers are about to disappear in the Middle East, the Russian strategic space has already been reduced to Georgia and the Ukraine, and their strategic “C-shaped” encirclement of China is basically completed.

When Obama took office, he faced several strategic options. The first was to resolve the Middle East’s final two encirclements, and isolate the two anti-U.S. nations, namely Syria and Iran, in order to complete the “Greater Middle East Reform Initiative.” The second was to admit Georgia and the Ukraine into NATO and continue to put pressure on Russia. The third was to tighten up the strategic encirclement of China and wait for an opportunity to mobilize their secret ideological allies inside China, in an attempt to complete the final assault from both inside and outside.

Russia’s war against Georgia and its decision to cut off gas to the Ukraine have made the U.S. realize that the polar bear means what it says and it is difficult to break through the frontline in Central Asia . After deliberation, Obama and his team of official advisors chose to reset Russian-U.S. relations. As a result, Hillary Clinton recommended “smart power,” and America decided that it would make advances on the other two strategic fronts. (As a result, the strategic justification for keeping troops in Afghanistan was not sufficient, which caused Obama to declare that he would withdraw U.S. troops in 2014.)

During Obama’s first term in office, his most important strategic move was to publically declare a shift toward the East. The U.S. State Department pushed for the exclusion of China in Trans-Pacific Partnership, in order to diplomatically and economically isolate China. The Pentagon declared they would implement an air-sea war strategy. They initiated projects that by 2020, will result in over 60% of U.S. air and sea assets being located in the Asia-Pacific region. Their political, economic, and military fists swing repeatedly against China, a nation that has committed itself to peaceful development

Lines are being drawn, with various other countries choosing sides. For example, the Philippines and Japan are taking aggressive stances in order to cause trouble, with Japan being the most provocative. In spite of efforts to instill a Chinese-Japanese diplomatic consensus, Shinzo Abe, the Japanese Prime Minister, has adopted a stubborn stance of not afraid of being accused as “a re-militarized nation” and is preparing for confrontation with China. The Philippines wants the U.S. to return to the Subic Bay. India and Vietnam are flirting with each other to cook up anti-China schemes.

The U.S. initially used the plot to make noise in the East, but actually impacted the West. Having deployed smaller nations in the Asia-Pacific region to distract China, Washington has reached out to Tunisia and Egypt and knocked out Libya. Taking advantage of the Jasmine Revolution, the U.S. wanted to “set fire” to Syria and Iran. Americans issued numerous ultimatums to Syria. Paris and London eagerly joined the chorus. At the crucial moment, China and Russia put out a full-force effort to mediate the crisis, and Syria has, for the time being, avoided calamity. This certainly is not America accepting Russia’s offer; instead, it is due to America’s inability  to find a suitable agent in the anti-Syrian government mob. At the same time, explosions and rampages occured in Iraq and Libya, both of which were baptized with American democracy. Moreover, the military has jailed the popularly elected president in Egypt. The American government being embarrassed and upset by Edward Snowden was another factor that has caused heartburn to members of the Obama  team. Snowden’s explosive revelations have exposed America’s dark secrets of global eavesdropping and forced Washington off their high ground, having always made moralistic accusations against others.  Evidently, if the U.S. decided to take military action against Damascus alone, it would not win praise from the media, popular support at home, or allies’ help from abroad. American threats against Syria were designed to divert attention away from its own dilemma. Moscow’s plan of destroying Syrian chemical weapons was too good of a face-saving way out for the U.S. to reject it. China is huge with nuclear weapons and it cannot be defeated by conventional forces. Syria is too messy for an easy solution. Iranians are wise and are willing to make a deal. As a result, Obama decides to play the role of a nice guy, taking the olive branch extended by Tehran, despite angry denunciation from Israel and Saudi Arabia—two of its diehard allies in the Middle East. The region that has been buried in war talks suddenly becomes very quiet. This demonstrates again that the world will be able to embrace peace if the U.S. does not make trouble. In the first year of his second term, Obama has been unable to act decisively to accomplish his goals, but this doesn’t mean that the Nobel Peace Prize winner has been able to sit still and appreciate his medal. In modern times, driven by the ambition to expand its empire, one of the top priorities for American Presidents is to engage in military conquests. Not totally satisfied with toppling Gaddafi during his first term, Obama is planning something even bigger. After pulling back in Central Asia, the U.S. may do the same in the Middle East. It is training its gun at China. The year 2014 is the 100th anniversary of World War I. American strategists discovered a long time ago (and actually facilitated the outcome) that “Modern circumstances share many interesting qualities with pre-1914 circumstances” and both Chinese and American governments will be unwilling to show weakness in front of their former opponents and current rivals. American strategists believe that China could come to replicate some of the conditions that made Europe so volatile a hundred years ago, and use this idea as a motivation to not voice a position on the Senkaku Islands dispute.

The year 2014 is the centennial of the outbreak of World War I. Some American strategists have discovered that the situation in Asia is similar to the situation in Europe before the outbreak of the war. Neither the government of China nor the government of Japan has any intention to engage in any compromise. Therefore, American strategists come up with the idea to replicate the script of World War I in which all European nations were crippled. This is the fundamental motive of not taking a position on the dispute over the Diaoyu Islands between Beijing and Tokyo.

2014 is also the 120th anniversary of the first Sino-Japanese War, which has remained prominent in the minds of both the Chinese and the Japanese. After a comprehensive study of America’s pivot in Asia, Japan chose September 11, 2012 to announce its “purchase” of the Diaoyu Islands. This is a huge national decision. From this point on, the rivalry between China and Japan has changed from territorial and resource rivalry to strategic competition. The strategic layout in East Asia has truly become a chess gameinvolving three nations. The U.S. hopes to see Sino-Japan confrontation, which will result in power reduction of China and Japan, as was the case of the U.K. and Germany. Japan desires to provoke a war between the U.S. and China, which will lead to its rearming and rise as a new power in the West Pacific. Many Japanese naval and air force officers have made this preference very public.

At the present time Japan does not have the strength to declare war on China. However, if the U.S. and China get into a war, China will suffer and Japan can seize the opportunity to gain power and eventually finish China off—repeating what it did during the first Sino-Japanese War and disrupt China’s attempt at modernization.

The ulterior motives of both America and Japan are on full display after China adopted its air defense identification zone. Japan is consistently arrogant, but the U.S. is a double dealer. It sent up a B-52 into the ADIZ to calm down Japan but also sold out Tokyo by instructing commercial airlines to file their flight path with China. Americans provoke while also simultaneously attempting to curry favor from China.

December 1, 2013 is the 70th anniversary of the Cairo Declaration that established the international political order in the wake of World War II. There was national silence in Japan on this occasion. It has deliberately chosen to forget the core contents of its surrender. Taking into consideration the annual historical controversy, we see a Japan that clearly attempts to overthrow the outcome of World War II. This is similar to what Germany tried to do after its defeat in World War I.  The United States, Australia, and the Philippines “understand” Japan’s efforts at re-arming itself. Even Great Britain is in support of the Japanese position on the ADIZ. This reminds us of the Anglo-Franco Appeasement in the 1930’s. The fact that Russia refuses to take a position on Sino-Japan territorial dispute shows how successful Tokyo’s diplomacy has been. 2013 saw major leadership changes in China, America, Japan, Russia, and North and South Korea. New changes have also led to new policies.

Despite the bottomless financial crisis, America continues to conduct experiments on developing aircrafts armed with electromagnetic launching capabilities. Following the entrance of F-22 “V-22 “Osprey, the “Global Eagle” is beginning to enter Japan. The frequency of American military exercises in the Pacific Ocean has increased. In this noisy atmosphere, Japan has begun to export arms, which is the first step in converting its strong industries into facilities that can mass manufacture military equipment. 2013 also saw the commissioning of what will be Japan’s third aircraft carrier, “Izumo.” Izumo was the name of an armored cruiser built by Japan using Chinese reparation and was the flagship when Japan invaded China. Using this name for the new aircraft carrier is certainly provocative in nature.

China has formed the F-15 wing and its first aircraft carrier “Liaoning” has undertaken a battle group tour in the South China Sea.  President Xi inspects troops often and asks the PLA to be ready to fight and able to win. At the same time, F-20 has entered the test flight phase and even F-31 made an appearance. China’s three fleets have sailed to the first island chain and conducted joint exercises with the Russian Navy.

North Korea does not want to play the second fiddle. It conducted the third nuclear test in 2013 and attempted to send a satellite into orbit. An arms race is unfolding in the Asia Pacific region. Since the end of World War II, fighter jets from China, the U.S., Japan, and Russia have descended upon the Western Pacific en mass. The world is holding its breath as statesmen from Asia-Pacific nations are assessing each other’s situation and trying to determine an action plan.

2013 was the prelude that will determine the fate of East Asia and the political and military focus of the world in the near future. Due to America’s global strategy and the implementation of Japan’s strategies, there will be further deterioration of military status in East Asia, if not the entire Asia-Pacific region. Other parts of the world appear to be relatively quiet because the United States is too busy to get involved. Russia is taking advantage of this situation to ram through integration of the region that used to be the former Soviet Union.

As a new round of military, political, and economic reshuffle unfolds the Asia-Pacific region, which experienced the most bloody and the largest casualties in recent history, it will once again be the main battleground.

What is the mode of war that can “destroy” China?

Since the end of WWII, every American strategy shift is triggered by a new technology that gives rise to a military revolution. For the Cold War, it was nuclear weapons; for the Gulf War,  it was information; this time, America’s pivot to Asia is led by the Internet technology that has produced a mixture of cyberspace electronic warfare and ideological information warfare. The first kind of warfare is limited to conventional military areas, but the second kind of warfare has invisibly formed a different kind of fighting that defies all military concepts. In 2013, manipulated by a mysterious force outside China, a few Chinese language websites controlled by foreign capitals have manufactured a few anti-military and anti-patriotic incidents. The anti-Communist, anti-Chinese government, and anti-China forces have joined hands in stirring up these incidents. In response, the broad masses of patriotic netizens have launched a counter offensive. With collaboration from relevant agencies of the Chinese government, a victory was achieved in this pitched cyberspace battle similar to the battles fought during the Korean War.

Although one does not see smoke in cultural fighting, ideological struggles, or cyber warfare, they are equally destructive and shocked and enlightened Chinese military thinkers. The Soviet Union used to possess thousands of nuclear warheads and 4 million troops, but they were all fragmented by the invisible and ubiquitous informational and ideological warfare. It makes one shudder to think that countries like Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt could be overthrown overnight by Twitter in the age of social media. Deep rivers run quieter. The new features of this kind of warfare have revealed themselves after China’s effort to clamp down on Internet rumors have caused harsh criticisms from non-civil forces outside China. John Huntsman’s public speech calling hundreds of millions of Chinese cell phone internet users to begin regime change, has proven that China’s military researchers should pay more attention to the fifth column inside China. Military affairs, politics, economics, culture, ships, keyboards, history, and the present, have combined to form a new battleground where battles are going to be epic. Television and informational and psychological warfare in the age of dollars were the mode of warfare that could defeat the Soviet Union. The Internet and informational and ideological warfare will the mode of warfare that will defeat China. The eyes of the Chinese military cannot train on the visible enemy and their metal weapons. The era of the Internet demands all new knowledge on wars and anti-wars.

The Sino-Japanese War in 1894, World War I, World War II, the collapse of Eastern Europe, the chaos of the Middle East—all of these historical tragedies are in front of China and serve as the background behind the China dream. The world is brutal, military affairs are changing fast, and the strategies are interactive. Will the ghostlike war in East Asia take place? When will it take place? It is determined by both the actors and the reactors. The answers lie in historical common sense and wise judgment.

In 2013, China embarks on a new road after the conclusion of the Third Plenum of the 18th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party. On December 26, China solemnly commemorated the 120th anniversary of the birth of Mao Zedong. On this same day, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe provoked China by visiting the Yaksukuni Shrine in Tokyo. In response, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman quoted Mao Zedong’s “On Protracted War,” and implied that the final victory will belong to China. The new China is born in blood and fire, and is not only unafraid of war, but also courageous in welcoming reasonable and lawful conflict, because defending the country from aggression serves to further boost the development of the state’s power. The Chinese nation loves peace, but there is little doubt that glory drenched in blood will pave China’s road to revitalization. This is the glory that generations to come will treasure.  Sound the alarms for war preparation, remold our firm convictions, wake up the fearless people, and revive our strategic industries—our country is moving forward and our future is bright!


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Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:05 | 4487494 flacon
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Send his wife, children, and parents in first. Let their blood be the first. 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:26 | 4487529 sunaJ
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I've been to China and spent some time in other parts of Asia, which has the eastern mentality lost to westerners.  Just because China seems to be losing the financial battle (with bubbles and interventions that are far beyond those that we are experiencing), they are playing a WESTERN game, and I think they know it.  They know this is going to end, and that is the difference...they are playing a western game.  So, they expect it to end and they have plans in place for a transition, and the west does not, because it is our dying paradigm.  Go ahead and lambast the Chinese.  They may be the first chink (so to speak) to show up in the western armor, but they are fully prepared and already have another vision of how to proceed.  The American people and government?  Not so much.  That is the sickness of insanity, my brothers and sisters.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:28 | 4487550 prains
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BOTH visions of which you speak, and are probably correct, are just two different versions of the same impending zombie apocolypse. Yes they may have different reactions but the outcome will BOTH be the same. Simple families trying to live, love and see their children on to a better future (no matter what the border that surrounds them is called) will be the ones to get truly fucked, gutted and eaten. The rest of the narrative is all about fucking Oligrachs and their Plutocrats getting theirs.......

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:36 | 4487577 0z
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There is not one but would do wonders, if he could contrive to overcome all resisting influences, and if all mankind would consent to become soft wax in his fingers; but men are resolved not to be soft wax; they listen, applaud, or reject and — go on as before.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:38 | 4487581 johnQpublic
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its getting biblical

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:10 | 4487640 LetThemEatRand
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It's all fucking noise.  America is not going to war with China or vice-versa.  Or Russia vs USA.  Or Japan vs. China.  Major wars stopped when the bomb was born.   There will be proxy wars, but those wars are just intended to enrich the fuckers who supply and fund the war machines and to take the shit of countries that don't have the bomb.  It's all fucking noise to drown out what is really going on.    The world war is against us, meaning those who don't control the levers.  There are no countries anymore.  Not as they used to be.  There are international conglomorates who use nationalism to feed the war machine and justify endless war against zombies.  We are the fucking zombies.  And they've aleady won.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:14 | 4487665 Anusocracy
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Not zombies, just run of the mill dupes.

"These stupid peasants, who, throughout the world, hold potentates on their thrones, make statesmen illustrious, provide generals with lasting victories, all with ignorance, indifference, or half-witted hatred, moving the world with the strength of their arms, and getting their heads knocked together in the name of God, the king, or the stock exchange—immortal, dreaming, hopeless asses, who surrender their reason to the care of a shining puppet, and persuade some toy to carry their lives in his purse."

—Stephen Crane, quoted by Jack London in People of the Abyss

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:23 | 4487682 gmrpeabody
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Chine doesn't put the fear of God in me just yet..., with or without all the sabre rattling.

I'm more worried about us.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:59 | 4487751 Manthong
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But it appears we don't have a monopoly on psychopaths.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:27 | 4487809 BigJim
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Hey, great! More warmongering! Just what the world needs.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:15 | 4487666 Harbanger
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You have it all tied up in a neat litttle bow.  Take my last hope of liberty and I will fuck your ass up like you never imagined.  WE created their weapons, WE are the FORCE behind it all.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:24 | 4487686 prains
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that's an imperial "we" right? as you have absolutely nothing to do with anything. other than maybe filling up my gas tank.....

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:32 | 4487700 Harbanger
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Yes, I'm your bitch Prains.   Unfortunately you won't be able to post comments during the collapse so I won't have the pleasure of reaming you.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:33 | 4487704 LetThemEatRand
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Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:38 | 4487717 Harbanger
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It took a debt based keynesian village to raise a Lola.  What will it take to undo a Lola?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:49 | 4487732 LetThemEatRand
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So what caused your personal financial failure?  Was it A) a penchant for plaid, B) sheer stupidity; C) everyone else's fault; or D) All of the Above??


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:53 | 4487740 Harbanger
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Yes, I'm dirt poor.  I don't trust you so I wouldn't hire you to shine my shoes.  Now or later.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:55 | 4487746 LetThemEatRand
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So "D" then.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:55 | 4487747 prains
prains's picture addiction to white shoes and matching belts along with an irrepressable desire to shamwow the forehead before going to drink free coffee all day at the Boca Bakery

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:00 | 4487756 Harbanger
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I have no idea what you're babbling about.  Enjoy your fantasy, you must be hanging out with the "rich" folk in Boca Raton, FL.  I'm dirt poor.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:05 | 4487764 prains
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you're 58 years old 5'-7" inches tall weigh somewhere beyond 250 and the last time you actually saw your toes they had yet had grown any hair on the knuckles. YOU are the poster boy of an "exceptional" 'murican.......


get it?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:12 | 4487779 Harbanger
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I love you babe. If I was in your presence, you would call me Sir and hope I like you.  Let's leave it at that.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:15 | 4487784 prains
prains's picture are so middle management....because you try so hard not to be....

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:16 | 4487771 LetThemEatRand
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Poor little rich kid.  You just gave yourself away.  Did you inherit or marry into it?   I'm guessing you married into it.  They feel even more entitled than those born with it, because they feel they "worked" for it.  

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:36 | 4487710 prains
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raaaaawr, pussy cat growl back at you....... you so pumped up after one clap push up, makes you wanna go down to the bathouse and rip open a fresh banana, slapmebanger

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:20 | 4487793 Harbanger
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Nothing better than messing with pee-ons before a good nights rest.  Thanks for playing.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:23 | 4487802 LetThemEatRand
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But one self-up arrow before you go to bed in the husband's nice house.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:27 | 4487810 Harbanger
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You're too sensitive, I'm not offended if you call me a homo.  Sweet dreams Lola, I'll pray for you.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:31 | 4487814 LetThemEatRand
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You're not a homo.  You're just a whore.  But I'm guessing you're not Julia Roberts.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:33 | 4487819 prains
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you're not a homo, you're a substitute, in the game of life.....

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 03:33 | 4487926 Rock On Roger
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I'm naive, wtf is going on here? I've never considered Harbanger a troll? Or a homo? Maybe he is juice-ish?  Or is it the other way around? Maybe Harbanger doesn't do Juice?

I'm slow to catch on, please help.


Stack On

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:25 | 4487805 prains
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you're a 4th line winger with 4 minutes TOI trolling as a playa!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:49 | 4487734 UselessEater
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apparently operation Paper Clip etc enabled the 'acquisition' of more advanced "Nazi" tech and then black budgets siphoned 10 of trillions into corporate military R&D and operations....trans-national corps have the weapons and are the force behind whatever it is that they want and intende to get, IMHO; nations and nationalities are tools being used to mess us all up for a game of chess that very very few of us in can fathom.

I wonder if we really know who has what new tech that lies in the hands of the trans national corporations running our planets' government's and I really wish I knew who the "we" with all this power is, maybe I could get me and mine the f. out of their way!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:31 | 4487697 UselessEater
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Its all fucking noise

I kinda agree but am also nervous of these twits making a mistake or 'skynet' having a malfunction.

I also hope the internal power battles of these same sub-human twits do not go into overdrive.

There also appears to be an intense desire to reduce human population levels drastically. Nasty war tools delpoyed in various guises is one mechanism.....keeping one eye open.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 05:54 | 4487979 nightshiftsucks
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Really ? Then why bother with all of the hot air ? All it's going to take is one miscalculation and then it will be game on.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 06:34 | 4487995 Offthebeach
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Bombs aren't a big deal. During Korea War an American diplomat warnedc Chinese diplomat that we could nuke a city and kill a million people. He said pick one, weve got near a billion..
A task force grtting nuked at sea wouldn't effect anything. Goodby carrier. They might gamble Predident red line, afromitive Havard dolt doesn't have the stones. Or even so, a few nuked cities are worth it.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:51 | 4487599 sunaJ
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I appreciate your response, because that is that I believe it is about.  I believe that you have so many peoples that want just that, but they have to be infringed upon by people in their tribes with power, jockeying for power and status, that the true desire of the vast majority is lost on THEIR whims.  So what do the people do, since they seem so intent on confronting this problem in what is such an obviously absurd paradigm?  Well, the turds have floated to the surface in this paradigm.  I'm not suggesting hangings, and I am repelled at the comments that suggest as much.  But they should be arrested.  Tried.  Convicted.  And GET THEIR TESTIMONIES so that we all know the truth of it.  The evidence is there, but there is no political motivation because it is all dependent on a failed system that is still in charge and that can ONLY do damage to the greater good at this point.



Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:54 | 4487624 prains
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the failed system has yet to truly infringe on the greater good, hence no action, what's happening now across the globe is a geopolitical jockeying for position. Propoganda and the media have done an incredible job at keeping the masses subdued with sooth saying. It's incredible.......politics is a sham and at best a competition between shills, nothing will happen until it does and then it's ALL bets are off.....good luck to you and your family I wish you well and hope you see your way through as many of us will try to do the same.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:35 | 4487563 pods
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China may whoop us, hell anyone might.  We are a dying empire.

But don't pretend that they actually know what they are doing.

Floating pigs to sun on the big screen to melamine in baby food (on purpose),  China cannot even take a bath without shitting in the tub.


Edit: Oh, and if we collapse, who the fuck is going to design all the shit they rip off?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:24 | 4487684 gmrpeabody
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Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:28 | 4487691 dryam
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No worries as far as China goes.  Have you seen the comparisions between American & Chinese students in regards to math & science?  The trend will only increase.  Americans won't be designing much in the couple of decades.

China is not perfect by any means, however they clearly do have a long-term gameplan.  They accidentally polluted themselves by trying to turn as much paper/credit into real stuff as quickly as they could before the western game is up.  It will take a little time, but they'll clean up their act.  They think generations at a time.  Americans think about a day or week at a time.  Policies in the U.S. are refreshed after ever new polling result comes out.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:55 | 4487612 He_Who Carried ...
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chakama, ma choukawanga pakipucku?


Makollig Jezvahted and Levdaroum DeBahzted, please come to the information desk!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:25 | 4487687 gmrpeabody
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Haven't we met...?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:51 | 4487620 0z
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What's this Eastern, Western Bullshit?
Flip the Earth around, and all Men will still be just that; Men.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:57 | 4487631 The Old Man
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This "Game of Thrones" mentality at its' modern level still becomes the blood and glory of the young with the old men pushing the buttons. If nationality and sovereignty are so important to the pride of the leaders, then they should do it. Don't point your cannon at me. I agree with what you say about both the Chinese and the American policies and what is forethought and what isn't. But, isn't this game getting a little tiresome already?

For who's benefit? 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 08:26 | 4488124 Maximilien Robe...
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On a long enough timeline, the sun will expand and swallow the earth.  Or on a long enough timeline, our galaxy will collide with another one.  Presumably making things a little more uncomfortable than some squabbles between tribes.

MAYBE, MAYBE we should start to listen to Hawking or the pilgrims and find some new things to do with our creative differences.

"It will be difficult enough to avoid disaster on planet Earth in the next hundred years, let alone the next thousand, or million. The human race shouldn't have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet. Let's hope we can avoid dropping the basket until we have spread the load."

That's the new motto.  "Don't drop the basket until you spread the load."

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 03:44 | 4487674 Deathrips
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Everyone stand aside, I have the solution!


The solution for this problem is for this  guy (the one spouting off his mouth about blood and glory) is to to drink more tiger penis tea, harvested without gun or weapon by hand from a live tiger.

I heard that's how they used to get rid of village idiots throughout history in China.


While hes at it..maybe he could take Dimon, Bernank, Yellen, O'who?, and a few other village idiots from over here with them.


I hear that is the ONLY true cure for Blood Lust and Glory.


Disagree? How the fuck would you know..have you tried it? What do you think this is...knitting club?



You heard it here.




Fri, 02/28/2014 - 06:51 | 4488003 old naughty
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I heard that the Eunuchs retrieved from palace storage their cutoffs upon retirement and would buried "wholly" upon departing from this world.

So they would not have to look for "it" like the headless did in Sleepy Hollows !?

Wouldn't the tigers do same? Oh shit.


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:05 | 4487765 ChargingHandle
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I have been to China twice and my visits were nearly a decade a part. The last time I was there I finally admitted to myself that we are being passed up and that China will be the real world power. This transition will happen more soon than I would like to admit. I actually felt intimidated and wondered if the commoners new how close they were to having it.  I would not want to have a war with China at all. We have fast tracked their rise with the gift of sending so many technologies their to be developed/manufactured. There is nothing they do not know how to make.  

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 03:15 | 4487916 stacking12321
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you have odd ideas about "we" and "them".

to my way of seeing things, we are those people who create wealth, produce things of value to society, support freedom, oppose oppression, and some of us happen to be americans, some of us chinese.

they, on the other hand, are facists, socialists, warmongers, destroyers and squanderers of wealth, fraudsters, and the entitled poor, and again, some of them happen to be american, some chinese.

we can defeat them through knowledge, through awareness, through self-discipline. by withdrawing and not giving in to their schemes and false paradigms such as left vs right, usa vs china, rich vs poor



Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:08 | 4488015 RafterManFMJ
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we can defeat them through knowledge, through awareness, through self-discipline. by withdrawing


Send my job overseas, import a tidal wave of welfare third worlders and H1B cut rate workers and fuck me and mine with rising inflation and stagnant wages?

Naw dog, you have fun storming the castle, imma sit the next one out...

...amazes me the gluttons for punishment willing to bleed for the bankers. PEW PEW PEW I'm fighting for dat Democracy!


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:45 | 4490172 stacking12321
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what are you even talking about? i wrote one thing, but it sounds like you read the opposite thing. i don't support the banksters, and those bleeding and fighting for them are deluded fools.

nor did i say anything about storming any castles - they don't need to be stormed. i fully believe the castle will crumble of its own accord, it is corrupt and broken at its core.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 18:03 | 4491348 RafterManFMJ
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You responded to a post postulating a war with China.

Thus, your contention of defeating 'them' I read as defeating China. If wrong, I apologize for you not being more clear. :)

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 23:21 | 4492523 stacking12321
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i accept your apology for my not being more clear!

however, my point was that national boundaries are arbitrary, and one shouldn't assume those inside "our" borders are friends, nor assume those outside "our" borders are enemies.

that would be a shallow and mistaken way of thinking.


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 13:40 | 4489827 Ariadne
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The Clintons & Gore were caught red handed selling us out to their totalitarian club. The congress let them walk, instead of hanging them as they deserved. This signalled the feeding frenzy that followed. We are on our own, take appropriate measures.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:35 | 4487573 TahoeBilly2012
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So let me get this straight, it's China/Russia/Iran versus Japan/US/EU? 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:04 | 4487621 Ness.
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Gold and resources/ Gold and resources/ Gold and resources



I see swans.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 03:00 | 4487901 Kirk2NCC1701
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I see debt people.
I see debt people.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 03:12 | 4487912 Kirk2NCC1701
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A fool and his hair are soon parted.
A fool and his heir are soon parted.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:11 | 4487504 Charles Nelson ...
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Sum ting Wong...

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:12 | 4487508 Rusty Shorts
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Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:14 | 4487513 rosiescenario
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"....glory drenched in blood..."


Jesus, and here I was worried that maybe the U.S. had a monopoly on psycopaths....

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:36 | 4487547 Mine Is Bigger
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These days I really think we as the human race have to find a way to eliminate these psychopaths to move forward.  These bloodthirsty people should all go to one place, kill each other and just leave us alone. What Japan did to China during WWII is awful.  There is no doubt about it, but there is no justification for killing Japanese who had nothing to do with the atrocities just because they were born in Japan.  We have to overcome the revenge mentality.  It is a guarantee for cycles of violence that will never end.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:40 | 4487719 Anusocracy
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The psychopaths developed the ability to manipulate the dupes and the dupes developed the ability to be manipulated by the psychopaths.

A marriage made in nature.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:38 | 4487580 kito
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Funny you mention Jesus, because I think that Chinese gentleman was just speaking in parables....

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:47 | 4487608 Jreb
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I had the exact same thought. The world is run by psychopaths in general I guess.

I wonder if the Chinese are as fed up with theirs as some of us are with ours? Or are they as brainwashed as our masses????


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:17 | 4487521 robertocarlos
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Jump you fuckers!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:18 | 4487524 Wahooo
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Hard to find fault with his rationales. If the US provokes China, they will be justified in hitting us back.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:04 | 4487762 Urban Redneck
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His rationale either glosses over or paints over the more subtle conflicts between China and Russia. (Or in Chinese Shitizenism speak - it's politically correct)

Then there's the fact that he is a PLA neo-con/hawk working in partnership with the Carter Center...

Oh yeah, his employment of literal "Blood" imagery in his other writing appears to lie somewhere between fetish and fundamentalist faith

I'm sure Dick Cheney could write a book with an equal amount of blood imagery and argue that if China provokes the US, the US will be justified in starting a war with China, but would you buy it, or his rationale?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:19 | 4487527 yrbmegr
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Blah, blah, blood, blah, glory, blah, blah.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:01 | 4487642 Maximilien Robe...
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You almost have it.  I read it more...

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, GLORYBLOOD!!


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:20 | 4487528 disabledvet
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that should add another 500 points on the DJIA.

I mean "this is why Hollywood is in the USA." We really can't tell the difference between parody and the real thing anymore.

It's all just a role playing exercise now.
They really need to broaden out the Oscars to start including "best performance in a leading Leader role goes to...

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:22 | 4487532 yrbmegr
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So North Korea comes by it honestly, I guess.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:23 | 4487535 Spastica Rex
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We've always been at war with Eastasia.

This concludes today's Two Minutes Hate.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:28 | 4487548 Fred123
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What Dai Xu failed to mention was that the Chinese themselves have inflicted far far greater pain and misery on China than Japan and the era of colonialism did. We are talking a magnitude of 5 to 10 times. 60 to 90 million Chinese were killed by Mao and his band of thugs while Japan managed only 6-10 million. The era of German and British occupation was far lower. Economically Mao managed to retard the growth of their country by decades producing untold misery upon their population.

The most dangerous enemy of China is China itself, and until the Chinese population realize this they will continue to be their own worst enemy.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:35 | 4487572 NoDebt
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Yeah, but in percentage terms.....

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:53 | 4488059 Fred123
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Yeah, even in percentage terms the Chinese have brutalized themselves far worse than than every nation combined.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:55 | 4488063 Fred123
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Yeah, even in percentage terms the Chinese have brutalized themselves far worse than than every nation combined.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:51 | 4487739 Anusocracy
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That reminds me of the death and destruction of the US's little internal conflict.

All governments are savage pieces of shit.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:28 | 4487549 bobert
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Heres hoping the Chinese do not deply their smog upon us.

That would be a real killer.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:37 | 4487578 thamnosma
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No kidding.  It already blows over to the west coast.  The planet really isn't all that big for 7 billion industrialized apes.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:17 | 4487788 jonjon831983
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Well, it's already bought and paid for.  Just value added smog being shipped over via wind to low cost crap that has been in demand.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:12 | 4488019 RafterManFMJ
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Oh man, not that Smog Monster; what if Godrilla doesn't defeat it?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:29 | 4487551 Moe Hamhead
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"China not afraid"... with a boat like that they should be!  What's with the roller-coaster on the front of the flight deck?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:33 | 4487566 NoDebt
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It takes the place of steam catapults that have moving parts which can jam and fail.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:19 | 4487671 The Old Man
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Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:18 | 4487672 The Old Man
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It also puts more steam to the engines for better in wind velocity so the jets can save a "few" gallons of fuel on takeoff for longer air time and the carrier can have faster maneuvarability. Draw a crosshair on your cocktail napkin. Now put a carrier in the x. They will always be the big targets. Hence the design. Ruskies not too stupid after all.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:34 | 4487571 pods
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Russian tech.  I think that one was actually sold to them.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:29 | 4487553 suteibu
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I'm disappointed.  I thought this was the nightly The Diplomat article.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:50 | 4487616 Crawdaddy
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Yes-the newest bestest most trusted source of agitprop. The Diplomat. I think the guys who came up with that name just finished watching Gilbert Gottfried's "The Aristocrats" but didn't get the joke.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:35 | 4487574 post turtle saver
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well, now we know what the chinese equivalent of a neocon is... except there's only a rowboat ass to back up his battleship mouth...

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:38 | 4487584 thamnosma
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Yeah, but what does Japan have?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 10:23 | 4488610 post turtle saver
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Nippon has the US and a forward deployed carrier group that isn't a floating Potemkin village, unlike the piece of crap dog and pony show (more dog than pony) pictured here

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:03 | 4487643 thestarl
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I'm sure the Russians have made sure the Chinese have access to their latest ASM technology

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 10:21 | 4488591 post turtle saver
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like I said... rowboat ass

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:38 | 4487583 MeelionDollerBogus
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well, that escalated quickly.

I guess Rickards called it right: currency wars do lead to real wars.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:39 | 4487586 Lordflin
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Attributes far more depth and critical thought to Obama and his administration than they could possibly be entitled to... but some interesting analysis woven in there in places. Trails off into a somewhat bombastic diatribe towards the end... somehow I suspect he will find little glory or blood at 20 million degrees fahrenheit.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:39 | 4487587 SgtShaftoe
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The last time China invaded another country was in the 1700s if you don't count Tibet.  It's certainly possible, but the trend has been very peaceful for some time. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:43 | 4487727 Idi_ocracy
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China invaded vietnam after the U.S. left, and had a small conflict with india too

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:10 | 4487776 sky wing 2010
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those were boarder disputes, not invasions. and don't foegert there was one with Russia too. In all the cases mentioned, China withdrew quickly after the conflicts.

allow me to remind that China was invaded many times by the west and Japan in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:13 | 4488021 RafterManFMJ
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Boarder disputes. Awesome.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:43 | 4487595 Atomizer
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All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

-Sun Tzu, The Art of Warfare

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:56 | 4487627 pods
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He doesn't say anything about floating Trojan Pigs does he?


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:59 | 4487638 fonzannoon
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all the smog probably helps with the whole near/far thing with the enemy.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:14 | 4487664 Atomizer
Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:49 | 4487611 are we there yet
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The middle kingdom should watch its middle finger.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:55 | 4487625 Atticus Finch
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So complicated and all of it can be cleared up if everyone would just go home and tend to their own garden.


Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:58 | 4487634 Maximilien Robe...
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Funny, here's the founding principles from the Carter Center's website where this piece originated,


The U.S.-China Perception Monitor website aims to mitigate tensions between the U.S. and China by creating innovative channels for building trust, facilitating collaboration between the two countries in critical areas around the world, and raising mutual awareness of common interests.


One must wonder just whom is running the editorial desk these days at the ole Carter Center. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:04 | 4487645 Johnny Cocknballs
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Somewhere in China is a blog which has reported on the utterances of Joe Biden, with a following which is sure that China would be foolish not to invade such a country as would have this man as its vice president.


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 03:43 | 4487930 mccvilb
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Joe Biden, a heart beat away. It keeps me awake at night. You can bet Hillary's dusting off the curtains to the Lincoln bedroom in prep for her new ad campaign for 2016, Hope and Chung. 2016... the Year of the Red Fire Monkey.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:04 | 4487646 ebworthen
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Cue the idiots who say China is a kind peaceful nation and they have no expansionist ambitions.

You have got to be a complete idiot to not see China pounding the war drums 2008 Olympics opening ceremony to the present.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:04 | 4487763 Anusocracy
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There are many more idiots who think the US is a kind peaceful nation that doesn't have expansionist ambitions.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:10 | 4487773 ebworthen
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I'm not under that delusion, and I'm pretty sure our expansionist days are over.

Don't mistake my comment for pro U.S., just a warning about the future.

A growing industrial power with billions of mouths to feed will move outward.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:05 | 4487648 Duc888
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Everyone just needs to sit the fuck home and shag the old lady.


Enough with this killing bullshit.

Get the sociopathic leaders of the cunt-ries do duke it out.  Leave the rest of us alone, ok?

Thunderdome muthafukkerz.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:15 | 4487667 Maximilien Robe...
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Now THAT is a great ideology. 

Before Internets, the peoples of the earth could never share that thought with one another while the overlords postured, propagandized and enslaved in their objectives. 

Maybe, just maybe Internets can help to diffuse these things before such idiocy occurs between the likes of US and China.


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:06 | 4487653 q99x2
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It is Rothschild and Rockefeller money they are using for preparations to attack the US.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:09 | 4487656 hero HNL
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I've seen a lot of chinese jingoism on the net & got used to it. At least, this passage is light & there are worse ones on youtube especially those by CCTV. They border on paranoa, hysteria & sheer stupidity.


If the US military were to scale back as expected, china will definitely take advantage & the world better prepare for the worst nightmare. Get ready to be treated like Tibet or Inner Mongolia.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:26 | 4487806 jonjon831983
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China is in a vulnerable position. Just like Russia. Both are in vulnerable locations surrounded by uncertain neighbors. If China went aggressive it would end up fighting or covering multiple fronts as neighbors would get really jittery and arm up (or be supported with arms *wink* *wink*). Pretty much only the US has the enviable position of having the possibility of locking down into "Fortress America" ( and worry about Canadians to the north and Mexicans to the south.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 02:10 | 4487854 Leraconteur
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This is the same concept the Russophiles post in the other threads. Russia feels threatened by Georgia. Give me a break.

China is vulnerable to...

Laos? Myanmar? Mongolia? Nepal? Bhutan?!?!

Uncertain neighbours who can be ignored...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:10 | 4487658 q99x2
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And if China ever gets serious they surely won't waste their efforts fighting a country. They will go directly after the elites that control it.

Half those fuckers live in other countries anyhow.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 02:35 | 4487677 Hephaestus
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We are so motherfucking fucked you fools. They will roll right over us. We finally did it and I quote "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

The ibomb comming soon right up our asses

So we will whip the shit outa China Huh? Think Again. We are gonna need some factories right? Well we will just throw some up just like WWII. No we wont.... here is why.

Names have been replace with plant 1 plant 2 etc. (I posted this letter to a friend on ZH about 7 months ago)  

First lets start with electricity. You just gotta have it to operate a plant. What most people don’t understand is just how much is required.  It’s not at all uncommon for industrial equipment to be on a 500 amp breaker at 480v. 500x480 = 240,000 watts. In comparison a standard 3 bed 2 bath house has 220x200 = 44,000 watts. So you see its normal for one machine to eat as much power as 5 1/2 homes. Plant 1 had roughly 300 major pieces of equipment for a rough total of 72 million watts. Plant 1 in FL uses enough power to supply 1,636 homes all by itself and I’m not counting the three large paint lines that run 24/7. Keep in mind they are a steel stamping facility. Steel stamping is very efficient > 90%. (Tank production <50%) For all this power about 20,000 lbs. of steel are processed into finished goods per day. So it’s pretty clear that an enormous amount of power is required to make things on an industrial  scale. Back in the good ol days when we  actually made shit here Ford had their own power plants located on site at their factories. The reasons for this are two fold. First it was simply cheaper for ford to build and operate his own power plants cutting out all the middle men and political bullshit. Second it is not reasonable to pay for the upgrade in transmission lines to connect the factory with even a close power plant. High tension power lines cost about 1 million dollars from pole to pole (in 1995 dollars.) Plant 1 in FL has a power usage cap put in place by Sumter Electric for this very reason. If they go over this limit at any time multi thousand dollar penalties slam into effect immediately and continue stacking as long as they are over!

Ok so now that we have a basic idea of energy requirements and transmission obstacles we know the first thing we would need to bring manufacturing back home to the US in a robust power grid. Does the US have this?

ASCE quick video clip

U.S. electricity blackouts skyrocketing

U.S. Electric Grid Is Reaching the End Game

NO we don’t have this. Every time a factory left for overseas it took a little strain off the power grid but this has been offset by population increases, per person power usage increases (think McMansions) and letting the infrastructure decay. We have problems keeping the lights on as it is and no extra. Every year the boys spend some time at a relative’s house because Tanya has lost powerin NH again. The year before last it was out for three weeks! Hell it was out for two weeks in fucking downtown Manchester when I lived there three years ago.
Obama has been murder on coal power plants too. This is raising the cost of energy which in turn makes what few factories we do have left less competitive. Coal plants have been closing at a frightening pace recently. They are usually replaced with nothing.

At least 3 coal plants announced closing since Obama's energy speech

FirstEnergy to close more coal-fired power plants

Ok so we really don’t have the power available right now but on a serious war footing we could just shut off the residential areas. I think this would be a tad bit unpopular to say the least.
Next up is steel. I got the impression the you seem to think that we make a lot of steel. I’m curious I really am… just where did you get this batshit idea from anyway? We don’t make steel here anymore. Not in quantity. Lots of books written on this very subject.  Also ask any machinist you know where the metal comes from and you will likely get an earful. This subject has been recognized as a major problem in the US for decades now.

And the Wolf Finally Came: The Decline and Fall of the American Steel Industry
And now for the piece de la resistance….actual steel production by country. Hold on to your hat son.

scroll down to the bottom of this webpage and look at the steel chart!
Do you see that chart. Well steel production was much higher prior to 1980! China now makes just about as much steel as the whole rest of the WORLD put together. Our output is absolutely pathetic compared to theirs and has been too low since the early 70’s in my opinion. By the way this information is hard to find now. Google it and see just how many charts you can find that go back that far. Keep in mind that graph is not adjusted for population growth so the US production per capita has actually been falling since 1973 or so and is absolutely crashing to zero now.(Hey you know what happened about that time right?)
OK we have covered power and steel so far what about personnel?
You are well aware of the education problems in the US do you know how bad it really is though?

Shocker: 80% of NYC graduates unable to read
China Beats Out Finland for Top Marks in Education,8599,2035586,00.html

New York wuz a major American production center too. er was.
I have worked all up and down the east coast.  I have worked in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Mass, New Hampshire and Rhode Island. From my personal experience I have this to say about the American factory worker. There aren’t any. Plant 1 was full of Mexicans and Vietnamese, Plant 2 is only Mexicans and racist ones at that, Plant 3 only had two Americans on the floor - me and the Chief Engineer all the other guys were foreign. That factory is decent size too( $1,000,000 water bill per month). Plant 3 did have some black guys that talked in clicks and whistles though with heavy Portuguese Columbian and Mexican presence as well. It takes about 5 years to train a decent factory tech if you can get good material to work with. We are major major SOL in this area. Trades are passed from master to student over years. We stopped training new factory workers when all the manufactuing went to China. Now the old masters are just that OLD like fucking 80. We dont even have the people left to train a new crop in time to save ourselves.

Now for the factories we do have.
What factories Brian? I triple dog dare you to go to wall mart or JC Penny or Sears and really open your eyes.  Spend an hour in Wally World just walking around picking up stuff and looking at the little made in stamps on the back. I did that kind of shit for a year straight and the only thing I remember finding in wal mart that was made in America was razor blades. That’s it! If we have factories then just what are they making air? They certainly dont seem to make any of the stuff I buy. I sense a your response coming. How about Sears? Aha Craftsman tools those are definitely made in America right? NOPE :(  Sears Craftsman brand tools are outsourced to a Chinese company called TTI. It is a German company that is owned by a Hong Kong gentleman, and they have factories in Guangdong and Shenzhen. The company also makes Milwaukee, Ryobi, and De Walt tools as well. In order to maintain the "Made in the USA" logo, the company had to do some "creative" work which, I believe, consists of a quality control station in the USA.

So you see we are so sad now we don’t even make the tools required to Build a new factory.  PATHETIC.
You brought up auto manufacturing yesterday let see how that’s doing. Most people know that Detroit was the auto capitol of America. Did you know they also had all the manufacturers that made replacement parts? Those are gone too AutoZone gets a lot of stuff from overseas now.

This link takes you to a pic of the Fischer plant where the body for my 1965 was made along with jillions of other car bodies. Most people don’t really know that all of the big three outsourced a great deal of part production to local guys like Fischer, AC Delco, Rochester and others. GM Ford and the rest did not make the parts for the whole car themselves not usually anyway. So Detroit was a shit ton more than the “Big Three”

If you really want to see something sad look at the rest of Detroit!
And yeah I know Toyota and Kia etc. have manufacturing plants here but they are really just assembly plants.  Do you see Aluminum and Steel foundries or power plants near these so called “factories”? The parts production is mostly overseas for all the cars now. The factories here are PR and nothing else. Also companies will lie about this stuff too. Plant 1 used to ship the Mexican product to the Fl plant. Then they would paint it and put them in boxes marked made in America. It was a total lie but hey nobody checks this shit so why not?
So in short.

We have little power
We have little steel
We have few people still skilled in manufacturing.
We have some serious retards running around here and they are great at getting elected!

Finally I really believe if we go head to head with China there are four likely outcomes.
1. We blow up all their factories in short order and win at great cost. (Store shelves empty everywhere! + Financial Armageddon + despised worldwide)
2. They really have done their homework and fuck us up immediately.
3. We dick around until they out produce us and we lose.
4. The nukes come out and we are all dead.

This by the way is a major reason we are in Syria. It’s an attack designed to destabilize everything near China to slow them down. But it won’t and it’s stupid.
If you have read this far and I have made my case well there should now be an uncomfortable seed of doubt in your belly about now.  In ten years nobody is going to be able to deny that China is king not even the Americans currently prone chanting USA USA USA like its all a football game. They have more and better educated people. They are the worlds manufacturing powerhouse right now. They are a creditor nation and have loads of cash. They have the blueprints on most of our best weapons. China has won. They won a decade ago! China will simply wait for us to fold if we will let them and that is not too far away. We should be playing nice with them now because their wrath may be terrible if we don't. The US kicking Chinas ass is laughable. Its just silly. Our only chance would be to attack with a ferocity and blood thirst that would absolutely convince the whole world that the US must go!



Fri, 02/28/2014 - 10:27 | 4488643 post turtle saver
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yeah... you're wrong

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:26 | 4490367 Hephaestus
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Bet the computer you typed that on was Chinese made ha ha ha ha ah oh........ fuck!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:22 | 4487679 user2011
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How would the chinese official start a war, when most of their kids and grand kids are studying and working in Western countries ( America, Europe )  ?




Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:35 | 4487703 22winmag
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These slanty-eyed shit-talking moo goo gai pan eating clowns wouldn't last two minutes in East L.A.


Snipes: We're safe around here.


Connery: You call this safe?


Snipes: Rough neighborhoods may be America's last advantage.


Snipes: Perhaps I may suggest a strategy. Don't stare at these guys. Keep your hands down. These guys don't like big arm movements. They might shoot you. Keep your voice calm... better still, don't say shit.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:17 | 4487787 Hengist
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Nah the Chinese are total racists and would just bomb "da hud" into rubble, not that the inhabitants would notice.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:34 | 4487707 Idi_ocracy
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The Chinese love to fool themselves about how "peaceful" they are, but the fact is they are just as evil and bloodthirsty as the rest of us, they just havent had the chance to prove it yet. It wont take long.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 00:59 | 4487753 Kokulakai
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This can't be good.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:20 | 4487795 Spungo
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As a rich white guy who doesn't know anyone in the military and lives in the middle of nowhere, I completely support this nuclear war against China and Russia.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 01:56 | 4487848 mr.n3utr0n
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Let's see who, if anyone, wins the currency war first. After that, maybe a trade war?


Fri, 02/28/2014 - 02:26 | 4487872 reader2010
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That tells us how shitty the real financial picture is in China.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 10:05 | 4488496 Bogdog
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This also tells us how many increasingly desperate hordes of unmarried, lowly employed or unemployed men there are in China. What with the "one child" policy and the rampant culling of female infants. They have to find something for these guys to do. Put an AK in their hands and "go THAT way young man!" Huzzah! To the glory of China!



Fri, 02/28/2014 - 02:28 | 4487875 MeBizarro
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Chinese engaging in a military provocation where they are the aggressor plays right into the US hands although global supply chains which are as complicated as the intricate spider web and with real inventories as thin as a toothpick would be thrown into absolute choas.

Pretty brutal and harsh world economy if Japan, Taiwan, and certain areas in China especially the Pearl Delta & around Beijing took major collateral damage. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 06:12 | 4487988 satoshi123
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Let's look at the FACTS ZH bitches,

TAIWAN, JAPAN, PHILIPHINE are are the door step of CHINA, what do the CHINESE have near the NAZI's? NADA


This is all working out like the cold-war, the fact is the CHINESE don't want to 'fight' they can win the war by out-working and out-thinking the hairlip, and that is why the hairlip's have to 24/7 talk shit to get the morons all excited about NAADA.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 10:29 | 4488653 post turtle saver
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herp de derp

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:15 | 4488022 Azannoth
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China would be wise to wait another 10-15 years with their war plans, till than the West will have all but finished it self off with mass immigration from 3rd world countries and the purposeful dumbing down of their native populations.

Than China will be the De-Facto World Super Power without 1 shot fired.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 07:25 | 4488033 Rising Sun
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China - what a fucking shithole society.


An entire GDP built on massive fucking debt that dwarfs the entire debt built up by the rest of the world.



Fri, 02/28/2014 - 08:05 | 4488079 Maximilien Robe...
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Send China schooled Timmay G back for a pulse check with the Chinese youth.

Oh, that's right.

U.S. Treasury Secretary goes to China and gets laughed at by Chinese students. Geitner was in china where he attended school years ago, to assure the Chinese that the U.S. dollar is stable and the U.S. is going to keep the dollar stable and reduce deficits.

Fun fact: He attended this same university presumably to learn mandarin back in the 80's.  Yet he spoke English during the presser.  Guess it was more likely that all the Peking students knew english than Geitner knew enough mandarin to hold a conversation.

He studied Mandarin at Peking University in 1981 and at Beijing Normal University in 1982


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