This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

More APCs And Helicopters As The Airspace Closes: The Latest Developments From The Ukraine

Tyler Durden's picture




 

While the latest official development surrounding the Ukraine crisis is that in under two hours, or at 3pm, the UN Security council will meet to discuss the situation in Crimea, Censor.net, citing Christopher Miller, the editor of Kyiv Post, reported the following:

Below is the google translated story from Censor:

In Crimea, Black Sea Fleet commander of Russian Federation Alexander Vitko announced the beginning of the war with Ukraine. Such information TSN confirmed MP from the "homeland", the former chairman of the Mejlis of Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Cemil

 

According to him, on Thursday, February 27 in Sevastopol Vice Admiral Vitko gathered all the generals and said, "We start war with Ukraine. "

 

About the Jemilev meeting only became known today, February 28.

 

In addition, according to the deputy, the morning without permission border of Ukraine, trying to bypass finders crossed four helicopters from Anapa. Moreover, he noted that Ukraine is now Russia does not oppose, and Ukrainians are on the verge of very dramatic events.

 

"The only way out here, I think that we have the strength to impose emergency rule, bring our troops and take control of all state institutions," - said Cemil.

He asked about acting Ukrainian President empowered Commander of the Armed Forces, Alexander Turchinov.

 

"Now I'm with Turchynov said that what we have military units, the forces necessary to throw everything in the Crimea. Elsewhere us no threat yet, enter PE and throw under control. But again, there is concern that we provoke, that we may not have enough forces, "- stated the MP.

 

He believes Russia will not go to full-scale war, but "the country must defend their dignity, basic rights of its citizens."

 

"I constantly call and say: if Ukraine can not do something, let us at least a weapon," - said the ex- Head of Mejlis.

 

Moreover, he noted that the Crimean Tatars no sense to stand with machine guns and pistols against "armed to the teeth with the Russian army" which means "let the people to death."

Is this merely a provocation from the Tatar source, or a glimpse into the endgame? We will find out soon. In the meantime, here are some of the other more recent developments from the Ukraine:

  • UKRAINE CITES RUSSIAN VIOLATIONS OF AIRSPACE, FLEET ACCORDS
  • UKRAINE URGES RUSSIA TO RETURN MILITARY UNITS TO BASES
  • UKRAINE ISSUES NOTE OF PROTEST TO RUSSIA OVER CRIMEA
  • UKRAINE SAYS DIDN'T ASK RUSSIA TO HELP MAINTAIN CIVIL ORDER

And more choppers:

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:19 | 4490005 PartysOver
PartysOver's picture

Itsa Party!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:25 | 4490032 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

Gotta laugh at the "can he do that?" part.

Well, of course not! Everyone knows that hostilities "just break out" for some unknown reason.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:31 | 4490073 flacon
flacon's picture

So that's why the stock market is up today? Maybe we need to blow up the NYSE in New York to get it really surging. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:33 | 4490094 camaro68ss
camaro68ss's picture

a US aircraft carrier being attacked by russian forces should be good for a 1,000 point rally by the end of the day

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:44 | 4490140 PR Guy
PR Guy's picture

 

 

Looks as though Ras-Putin has called it right. He will do what he likes because he knows they are all too pussy to face up.

Even these Navy Seals at the border can't find a good reason to go into the Ukraine!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DZP3fYurqU&list=UU-Y8tHCwNCHYzGL8iw5IOXA&feature=c4-overview

 

 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:54 | 4490219 superflex
superflex's picture

So now we rely on Google (NSA) translate and tweets to determine when a war breaks out?

Mmmmmmmmkay.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:58 | 4490236 SafelyGraze
SafelyGraze's picture

the article on cnn (next thread) has a dead link

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-22/cnn-claims-americans-want-secur...

reaches the archived article

note the "-0" appended to the end of the URL

 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:05 | 4490268 kill switch
kill switch's picture

Not sure whats up with that

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:17 | 4490310 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

Something's gone haywire - the date in the URL is from December, as is the article itself.

Paging sacrilege...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:31 | 4490394 akak
akak's picture

Did we just get a peek past the event horizon of the memory hole?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 21:24 | 4492266 Isotope
Isotope's picture

According to a link from that article Mustafa Cemil, the man quoted, is a lifetime hardcore anti-Russian activist, who has spent 15 years in prison for his views. So he certainly may have an agenda, perhaps trying to create a virtual "False Flag" with rumors to rally people to a preemptive confrontation with the Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:35 | 4490416 Occident Mortal
Occident Mortal's picture

Obama: likes to talk, likes to make ultimatums, likes making empty threats... Does not act.

Putin: doesn't talk, doesn't make threats...
Just acts.

Putin totally disregards empty threats made by the West.
Sends warships.
Mobilizes 150,000 soldiers.
Puts airforce on combat patrol.
Seizes Crimea in broad daylight.
Then publicly denies it on the news wires.

Putin: Your move Obama... Your fucking move. Where's your red line at now? What are you going to do? Your threats are a joke, you have no power here. You talk too much. We do not fear the US any more, this is not 2002. We all know you can't afford another war let alone get it through congress.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:56 | 4490487 Patriot Eke
Patriot Eke's picture

Ukraine is having a vodka sale?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:31 | 4490733 eatthebanksters
eatthebanksters's picture

Iteresting that with something this big our president is sooooooo quiet...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 17:29 | 4491083 N2OJoe
N2OJoe's picture

His line has been crossed and he's being dared to say something.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 15:11 | 4494051 Independent
Independent's picture

This was a very good post on a website I thought I would share it:

 I'm from Sevastopol, was born there and lived there for the most part of my life. I couldn't speak or even understand Ukrainian till I was about 17 years old, we never learned it in school, the TV was both in Russian and Ukrainian and I, as well as the others, watched russian-speaking channels. Western and Eastern Ukraines were apart for about 700 years and fought multiple wars with each other, First and Second World Wars including. I understand you, westerners, support new-born Ukrainian democracy but what you don't understand is that this new Ukraine is actually exclusively Western Ukraine. We speak Russian in the South-East, they speak Ukrainian. They are of absolutely different culture. What's more, they hate Russia which is our Motherland. We fought for it in the Second World War and our cities were burned to the ground, millions died. They fought for the Nazis, for what they thought was civilization and Europe. And now they are the same. What's more, they are fanatics, they want their Ukraine so much that they'll willingly sign the association with EU that will bring extreme poverty abd degradation as it already did with Bosnia and Herzegovina, Baltic states, Romania, Bulgaria and to a lesser extent Poland, Hungary, etc. Well, we are tired of being poor and humiliated. We are Russians and we want home.
I'm also half-jewish. My jewish grandfather fought in Sevastopol. He was an officer in the Black Sea fleet. He knew he wouldn't survive if captured. And he wanted to spend his last bullet on the nazi. So, he always carried a capsule od cyanide with him to take his own life when the last bullet has been used. He survived but the majority of his family was murdered by nazis. When they came here, the firsy thing they did was they made all the jews gather at the stadium and then murdered them all, women and children included. Every single one.
When you think of Ukraine, think of the wetern ukrainians willingly and enthusiastically helping the nazis in their atrocities. Tatars did the same. They hunted partisans and jews and killed them or gave away to the nazis.
They still hate Russia and russians thinking of them as barbarians and long for "civilized" EU. Well, farewell. They'll find only more poverty and serfdom.
I've written this lengthy post because I've been to the USA and respect ordinary americans for their love of freedom, their morals and industry. But the West doesn't always understand what's going on here.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:59 | 4490244 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

"We are start war with Ukraine"

That is sound about right.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:06 | 4490272 Sashko89
Sashko89's picture

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:06 | 4490273 Sashko89
Sashko89's picture

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:18 | 4490326 25or6to4
25or6to4's picture

@Boris
Was that your translation of the article out of The Censor? Got to love Google translate.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:35 | 4490395 silvermail
silvermail's picture

"We are start war with Ukraine"

That is sound about right".

Today in Ukraine there is no legitimate authority and any legitimate president or ministers of Internal Affairs. Today in Ukraine there are only rebels, buyout force seized power in Kiev.

And also in Ukraine, there are regions that have remained faithful to the Constitution, democracy and legitimate democratically elected Ukrainian President.

I repeat: The authorities in Kiev are now thugs and criminals. It's a fact and it does not depend on opinions EuNATO of USA . All these criminals, have committed particularly serious crime. They have committed armed coup and eventually they all will be arrested and prosecuted.

Including an accomplice of criminals that today nazyvetsya himself "Ukrainian President ." He is not the Ukrainian President. He is impostor. It will be sent to jail , along with all the other members of his criminal gang.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:08 | 4490551 SnobGobbler
SnobGobbler's picture

mr. market is pissed, notice oil has not spiked....yet

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:00 | 4490245 Joe Davola
Joe Davola's picture

Red light stop, green light go, yellow light go very fast.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:46 | 4490452 Boomberg
Boomberg's picture

"So now we rely on Google (NSA) translate and tweets to determine when a war breaks out?"

You forgot Facebook.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:47 | 4490143 PR Guy
PR Guy's picture

 

 

Ra Ra Ras-Putin,

Russia's greatest love machine...

(Boney M)

He's sure giving the love to the Crimea!

Ms Tymoshenko is none too happy :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRYHzwkx1EE&list=UU-Y8tHCwNCHYzGL8iw5IOXA&feature=c4-overview

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:43 | 4490157 StacksOnStacks
StacksOnStacks's picture

Can you imagine all of the Tomahawk Missiles?  I'm sure that's good for -10% in Silver.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:14 | 4490295 25or6to4
25or6to4's picture

Indeed, WW3 baked in the cake already.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:44 | 4490444 Anusocracy
Anusocracy's picture

The Ukraine has Russian weapons.

False flag, anyone?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:34 | 4490099 pods
pods's picture

So is this a war declared by tweet?

We are fucked.  Even if a bullet isn't fired.  Hasn't anybody played the game telephone?

Start:  I like cream in my coffee.

End:  I declare War in the Crimea.

pods

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:06 | 4490265 agent default
agent default's picture

Vlad has gone too far.  I want to see his face when NATO blasts him with at least three lines in Tweeter.  That is at LEAST THREE LINES, I tell you.  And just wait until Obama gets his teleprompter plugged in.  He is fully prepared to say he is disappointed and ANGRY.

He will also try to pitch Obamacare to the Russians, but I doubt anyone will be intrested.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:14 | 4490296 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Vlad is quake and cower for anticipation of dispatch of sternly word letter. ... Nyet! Vlad is remove shirt and flex pectoral muscle in teleprompter for USSA amateur in chief.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:24 | 4490358 AG BCN
AG BCN's picture

Nice one Bozza, so who would win in an arm restle, hoop shoot, turnip eating face off?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 06:37 | 4492887 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

I knew there was a reason I didn't like turnips! :>D

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 09:37 | 4493018 drdolittle
drdolittle's picture

I say Hussein wins in hoops (supposedly he's legit) but loses miserably the other two. Unless the turnips are dong shaped. Then hed'd swallow those fuckers whole plus put a few in backwards. Can't compete with colonic storage

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:52 | 4490464 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

Vlad is wrestle bear wearing American flag t-shirt into submission hold, then is look to camera and say, "Mrs. Obama, call me when is want to be with real man."

EDIT: That is my first and last Boris imitation because there is only one Boris.  That was merely to pay homage.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 19:24 | 4491801 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Boris is not homage! There is no gay man in Russia!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:30 | 4490391 Kavklov
Kavklov's picture

And I want to see your face when Putin send Moskit sunburn missile  UP'S NATO WHITE COLAR TERRORISTS ARSESS..

NATO SUCK ILLUMINTAI DICKS!!!! 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:41 | 4490436 V in PA
V in PA's picture

It was called 'Whisper Down the Lane" when we played it in elementary school. I loved that game. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:31 | 4490075 macholatte
macholatte's picture

 

the former chairman of the Mejlis of Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Cemil

 

what about the children?

          are they called...... Tatar Tots

 

 

Sorry, I don't know what came over me. I just had to do it.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:48 | 4490186 Big Corked Boots
Big Corked Boots's picture

to quote Larry the Cable Guy:

"Lord, I apologize for that joke..."

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:58 | 4490234 superflex
superflex's picture

what about the children?

 

          are they called...... Tatar Tots

I hear they are delicious covered in Heinz ketchup.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 06:40 | 4492889 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Let's ask out secretary of state, he luvs getting involved in other folks' business (especially when ketchup is involved!)

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 14:56 | 4494006 Independent
Independent's picture

Yeah we only know too well how the Crimean Tatars treated the Slavic kids, read about fate of the captives about half way down

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean-Nogai_raids_into_East_Slavic_lands

to quote from there "The Tatars slit the throats of all men over 60 years old who were thought to be incapable of work, forty-year-olds were saved for the galleys, young boys for their pleasure and girls and women to continue their kind and then later to be sold."

So why should I feel bad for the Tatar Tots when they did this...

 "the old and infirm, who were not worth much money, were given to the Tatar youths like rabbits to hunting dogs for their first military practice and were either stoned to death, or thrown into the sea or killed in some other way."

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:31 | 4490077 PR Guy
PR Guy's picture

It sure is 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 17:19 | 4491017 kita27
kita27's picture

yeah, like cheating, Ukraine- Why did you do this?    Putin- I dont know, it just happened!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 17:19 | 4491019 kita27
kita27's picture

yeah, like cheating, Ukraine- Why did you do this?    Putin- I dont know, it just happened!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 17:30 | 4491090 kita27
kita27's picture

yeah, like cheating, Ukraine- Why did you do this?    Putin- I dont know, it just happened!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:43 | 4490163 RetiredSilverBug
RetiredSilverBug's picture

This is a fresh beer delivery. Nothing to worry about

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:32 | 4490401 Black Forest
Black Forest's picture

Or just Bens in helicopters.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:01 | 4490511 Patriot Eke
Patriot Eke's picture

It's the Russians. I'm sure those vehicles have plenty of booze.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:00 | 4490246 Jumbotron
Jumbotron's picture

This looks just like the buildup before the Russkies invaded Georgia.

Pussy Putin is pissed.  What a little bitch.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:24 | 4490352 silvermail
silvermail's picture

What is that, in the current situation, you meant by the word "Ukraine":

- Illegitimate government rebels impostors, in the face of criminals who seized power in Kiev undemocratic, unconstitutional, by armed force?

- Or regions, that remained faithful to the Constitution and laws, the democratically elected President of Ukraine?

How do you think: Should there be rebels who committed an armed coup in Ukraine, arrested and prosecuted?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:19 | 4490008 Thought Processor
Thought Processor's picture

 

 

This is turning into quite the party.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:30 | 4490066 Robot Traders Mom
Robot Traders Mom's picture

You can always count on a party when CIA BlackOps are involved in destabilizing a country! USA, USA, USA!

 

www.TopTheNews.com 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:36 | 4490109 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

...and the Russian admiral and generals knew they couldn't throw a proper party without inviting Mustafa Cemil to their meeting.

Is this merely a provocation from the Tatar source, or a glimpse into the endgame?

Mustafa is just pissed off because they threw him out of the party after he got so drunk that he shit his pants.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:45 | 4490176 greatbeard
greatbeard's picture

>> he got so drunk that he shit his pants.

I didn't realize that was a problem.  That would explain a few things. I thought people stopped inviting me to parties 'cause I'm one of those "gold bugs".

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:09 | 4490279 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Tatar Source is delicious to be had with deep fry fish... except is when substitute escolar which is attribute to surprise bowel leakage.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:32 | 4490407 akak
akak's picture

But is Tatar Source as delicious as Russian (Olympic window) dressing?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:55 | 4490482 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

You can always count on a party when CIA BlackOps are involved in destabilizing a country! USA, USA, USA!

RTM

FYI.  Got to your site just fine but within "ZH".

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:19 | 4490011 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

What's really going on of course is a private party, much like the "negotiations" near the ned of the movie "Spys Like Us."

< meh >

Same as it ever was...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:23 | 4490024 Thought Processor
Thought Processor's picture

 

Ain't that the truth.  The real party is usually in some darkened back room.

 

That said, I'm sure the lights will be on at Langley over the weekend.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:58 | 4490235 CrashisOptimistic
CrashisOptimistic's picture

The rightfully elected government of Ukraine asked for Russian military help.  What's the big deal?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:17 | 4490321 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Yes, "help". That is all. Now, let Russia come set up some "help" in your back yard and is "help" you out. Is utter fantastic when tyrant neighbor state is "help" out.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:57 | 4490490 Anusocracy
Anusocracy's picture

Why should the US have a monopoly on 'helping'?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 19:26 | 4491813 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

USSA or USSR, same is different, no?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:43 | 4490440 silvermail
silvermail's picture

"The rightfully elected government of Ukraine asked for Russian military help.  What's the big deal?"

 

Criminals, who seized power in Kiev undemocratic, unconstitutional, with arms in their hands, through bloodshed, have no right to make any statement on behalf of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. Criminal rebels illegitimate.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:22 | 4490018 ZeroChance
ZeroChance's picture

Everyones going to the party have a real good time...

This time, no desert.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:22 | 4490020 stant
stant's picture

It's war bitchez !!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:23 | 4490021 ebworthen
ebworthen's picture

The Russian Bear sends troops, armored vehicles, helicopters, jets, and ships; the UN holds a meeting, John Kerry sends empty words.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:31 | 4490080 pods
pods's picture

And O gets out yet another worn red crayon.

pods

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:35 | 4490103 camaro68ss
camaro68ss's picture

but hes got to finish this putt first

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:43 | 4490158 nightshiftsucks
nightshiftsucks's picture

Putting while on his knee's ? Hey and why is that mans pants down around his ankles ?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:44 | 4490170 pods
pods's picture

He just didn't get it past the ladies tees.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:51 | 4490208 dontgoforit
dontgoforit's picture

This is too close to Moscow's backyard for them not to take action.  What would we do if Canada went revolutionary?  Oh, yeah, well, never mind.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:01 | 4490251 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

"Putting while on his knee's?"

Ever watch Dorf On Golf?  (Tim Conway)

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:11 | 4490285 pods
pods's picture

Putting on his knees........Putting from the rough, same thing.

We used to watch Dorf on Golf over and over.

pods

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 06:44 | 4492890 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Dorf -- I STILL crack up whenever I think of Tim Conway & Harvery Corman doing the Dentist sketch! :>D

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:23 | 4490351 MarsInScorpio
MarsInScorpio's picture

pods:

 

Seriously, so where is O? I haven't heard a word out of him in days.

 

Knowing how Benghazi went down, I figure he's drunk and hiding out in his bedroom.

-30-

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:45 | 4490450 superflex
superflex's picture

He's busy applying Vagisil to his chapped asshole.

Regie was rough last weekend.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:58 | 4490492 Meat Hammer
Meat Hammer's picture

He's been out giving your money away to dark-skinned people to keep their votes from slipping away.

Whowouldathunk that the person to alienate more brown people from the blue team would be a brown person?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:36 | 4490112 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

At least the Russians are apparently not moving armor or artillery, given their recent examples of leveling everything before sending in APCs to do cleanup.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:55 | 4490223 angel_of_joy
angel_of_joy's picture

You do remember they happen to have a whole fleet over there, don't you ?

Plenty of artilery on those ships...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:15 | 4490302 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

There's not really that much artillery (appropriate for surface engagements) in a Russian fleet, their flagships carry about 60 s300s and a pair of 5in guns, so they can pummel a coastal town, but they're not going to flatten anything large and inland unless they have a huge cache of land based weapons beyond what would be appropriate for the RORO ships assigned to the Black Sea Fleet that aren't deployed elsewhere.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:33 | 4490409 angel_of_joy
angel_of_joy's picture

Several ships with a pair of 5 in guns will do just fain for artilery support. It's not WWII, and the Russians don't plan to roll the front line all the way to Berlin.

Besides, why flatten somenthing you intend to keep, which also happen to have a friendly majority more that eager to do the dirty work for you ?

Ukrainean military, very dubious at their best, has just symbolic assets in the area. Those guys won't pick a fight that makes no sense for them, despite orders...

The "revolutionaries" in Kiev expect the West to do their heavy lifting. I suspect they'll become very dissapointed over time...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:04 | 4490522 Patriot Eke
Patriot Eke's picture

They don't need tanks to take what's already theirs.  The Ukrainian military and police are already on their side for the most part, remember?  Eastern Ukraine is already Russia's.  It's not like they are going to see any resistance either.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:31 | 4490736 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

And how exactly would the Russians deploy a 5in naval gun (with a range of ~20km) against a mortar platoon a mere 5km outside of town on the far side of a itsy-bitsy little hill, or even against a handful of guys who may have liberated a few RPGs a few days ago on the far side of that same simple obstruction?

The APCs and helicopters can be effectively deployed against the former, but tanks are preferable against the latter.

Moreover, if one seeks to conquer without firing a shot, or by firing as few shots as possible, and sacrificing as few resources as possible- the threat of overwhelming force is far preferable to relying on a golden hammer. It's not as if the Russians haven't in the recent past demonstrated exactly what happens when one crosses that line with them, when they employ that specific tactic.

Sometimes the last war isn't the best model, but the planners certainly aren't making it up on the fly, or relying on strategies that defy experience.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 19:02 | 4491684 angel_of_joy
angel_of_joy's picture

You've seen too many bad Vietnam movies. Try some oldies, like "The Longest Day" for a change.

Armchair warriors are fun for a while, but they invariably end up boring you to death with all sorts of insignificant details.

I'm sure the Russians have planned for these (and many other) contingencies, long before starting the game.

Relax ! It will be fun to watch the news this weekend, especially in HD...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 21:54 | 4492347 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

My TV is dutifully boxed up in the standard issue Swiss bomb shelter, and I haven't set foot in movie theater since 1998 (had to look up the release year - time does fly).

War is a science (and an art), there is room for artistic license, but the laws of science are far more rigid (and less forgiving when collided with).

If you think that's an insignificant detail, you should drop the ad hominems and retreat to your own armchair. Of course they planned for such contingencies, the Russian armed forces have a huge staff whose full-time job is working through scenarios and details. My point is that the build-up is not complete until more pieces are in place.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:50 | 4490117 JustObserving
JustObserving's picture

The US only attacks the weak and the vulnerable.  Like the sanctions on Iraq that killed between 1.7 and 2.2 million Iraqi children according to CIA Iraq analyst Susan Lindauer who blew the whistle on 9/11 and spent a year in jail.  Kerry may soon say that Assad is not destroying his chemical weapons fast enough and send in a few missiles to send a message to the Russians.  After all, the Nobel Prize winner almost lied his way to a war with Syria just a few months ago:

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QN4JmFRvVw

It is amazing that gold is not skyrocketing with all this war talk.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:17 | 4490314 agent default
agent default's picture

The conclusion of this situation was so predictable, that I doubt this whole thing was not planned and agreed upon behind closed doors a long time ago.  Sensationalism aside, Ukraine was a done deal.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:42 | 4490439 maskone909
maskone909's picture

well those incubator babies wernt going to liberate themselves

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 06:48 | 4492894 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Re: Gold -- Monday ain't here yet!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:50 | 4490124 skwid vacuous
skwid vacuous's picture

and the S&P stays in a 1 point range for 3 hours... LOL, and don't expect anything from John Kohn he's on the jet to the vineyard already... gonna be a little nippy but nothing a few bottles of '82 Bordeaux can't fix

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:51 | 4490207 wmbz
wmbz's picture

I have tried listening to Lurch. He talks a whole lot but doesn't say anything of value or depth... ever. Besides Vlad knows he is a chicken shit just like his boss.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:20 | 4490331 pods
pods's picture

For some reason whenever I see him I want to give him an apple.

pods

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:52 | 4490213 angel_of_joy
angel_of_joy's picture

It's called "positioning your assets" in the field. When everybody wakes up after a confusing weekend, they'll find a "de facto" Russian control upon all locations of importance in that area.

Then, denunciatiations will start; the whole diplomatic ballet... democracy, blah, blah... peoples will, blah, blah... teritorial inviolabilty, blah, blah...

At that point, the situation ON THE GROUND will be long settled. By the way, Crimeea is ridiculously easy to separate (and defend from outsiders) once you control a few choking points...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 22:19 | 4492401 jerry_theking_lawler
jerry_theking_lawler's picture

Now we know why the 'masked gunmen' were locking down the airport...warships to cover the sea ports and put boots on the ground....secure airport to deliver more power.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:24 | 4490028 Kaiser Sousa
Kaiser Sousa's picture

meanwhile, on Sociopath Street where its all good.....

 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:24 | 4490030 monad
monad's picture

The UN senior military officer is a Russian. Putin will know everything that goes down before Keith Alexander does.

 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:27 | 4490034 vitoox
vitoox's picture

Boris is capa-ble to translate the last words from this video ;)

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:35 | 4490102 stacking12321
stacking12321's picture

he's not saying anything of note, just stuff like, "there's 3 more", and swearing at the helicopters

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:40 | 4490141 Frank N. Beans
Frank N. Beans's picture

same choppers from the earlier video prolly, different place.  Now arriving Gate 3.

 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:26 | 4490366 BorisTheBlade
BorisTheBlade's picture

well, that should be properly translated as 'dicks up up my asshole' with appropriate number of exclamation marks, nothing of note though, agreed.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:26 | 4490038 joego1
joego1's picture

Whats up the the CNN freedom vs Liberty page? Can't access it. Is this a statement about CNN?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:27 | 4490044 delivered
delivered's picture

Same problem. I was pursuing my right to freedom by reading the article and commenting but I guess I got bent over the rail and was given my security. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:42 | 4490154 kito
kito's picture

thats an old post from december. 

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-22/cnn-claims-americans-want-secur...

 

drunk intern screwed up and reposted it today

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:03 | 4490258 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

That explanation is far too reasonable.  It's a conspiracy, I tell you, A DAMNED CONSPIRACY!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:22 | 4490343 pods
pods's picture

It was the LCH.

Luciferian Cheesepope Hackers.

pods

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:24 | 4490359 kito
kito's picture

free francis sawyer

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 20:54 | 4492181 vulcanraven
vulcanraven's picture

I don't think Francis ever left

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:30 | 4490059 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

NSA override?

Friday humor?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:35 | 4490105 slightlyskeptical
slightlyskeptical's picture

Never seen that before. Guess they don't want Americans commenting on such.

The less freedom I have the less security I have.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:37 | 4490119 akak
akak's picture

Actually, you never saw that before.

"Saw" is the past tense of "see", NOT "seen".

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:47 | 4490182 stacking12321
stacking12321's picture

same difference akak!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:54 | 4490209 akak
akak's picture

Um, no it is not.

"Saw" is the past tense of the verb "to see" --- as in for example "I saw that article yesterday" --- whereas "Seen" is the past participle of the verb "to see" --- "I have seen that article already".  Past participles are always preceeded by some form of the verb "have".  It is not the same thing as the simple past tense at all, even if a huge number of (ignorant) people believe otherwise.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:06 | 4490275 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

Personally I prefer "saw'd" which makes you both wrong.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:06 | 4490277 kito
kito's picture

happy belated 4 year zh birthday akak

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:13 | 4490289 akak
akak's picture

Thanks Kito!

I had not even noticed (hey, past participle!) that myself.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:27 | 4490372 kito
kito's picture

i give you props. a long alaskan winter is like paradise compared to putting in 4 years of service here :)

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:27 | 4490374 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

.

It is not the same thing as the simple past tense at all, even if a huge number of (ignorant) people believe otherwise.

I heered that!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:39 | 4490420 akak
akak's picture

Your write!  I heared it to!

There wrong, those people who says "I seen it".

Back in the day, it was an issue.  But, like, you know, its most everywhere anymore.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:02 | 4490497 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

What, no overt mention of dangling participles???

Where's Money McBags with a good link to illustrate?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 16:07 | 4490538 akak
akak's picture

I certainly hope that you intend to explain dangling participles opening up that Pandora's box.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 17:34 | 4491110 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

Looking through the Google Image results, I cannot find a single appropriate image to link to.

(I threw in a nipple slip just for the sake of poor form.)

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:52 | 4490210 slightlyskeptical
slightlyskeptical's picture

i also didn't dot the I in i. Oops skipped the i all together I see.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:50 | 4490199 greatbeard
greatbeard's picture

>> is the past tense of

That past participle stuff always screws me up.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:59 | 4490242 Grande Tetons
Grande Tetons's picture

I seen a party pooper like you before. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:51 | 4490467 V in PA
V in PA's picture

HAVE seen!!!  Dammit! Didn't you learn anything from the above conversation. Sheesh!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:55 | 4490481 CCanuck
CCanuck's picture

I sawed the party pooper, cause hes been such an asshole. Cutted that fucker rite in halfved.

lol

 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:34 | 4490098 buzzsaw99
buzzsaw99's picture

yeah, what's up with that? cnn will rot your brain anyway so don't watch.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:46 | 4490171 skwid vacuous
skwid vacuous's picture

Jacob Tapper has some mad krazy internet skillz

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:00 | 4490189 seek
seek's picture

That happens when a post gets deleted/locked, so Tyler must have posted the story, then deleted it, which locks it with that message.

Edit: Apparently the Tapper story is from last December, so no wonder it got locked.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:26 | 4490039 Iam Yue2
Iam Yue2's picture

Telephone network down .....

"In turn, the Director of Communications, SCM, which owns "Ukrtelecom", says that it has lost touch with its Crimean branch. Communication nodes have been blocked, which provide a link between the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine."

(LB.UA).

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:29 | 4490048 SgtShaftoe
SgtShaftoe's picture

Defensive perimeter around Crimea... complete. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:28 | 4490051 Cow
Cow's picture

UN Security Council holds a meeting...

Wow! That's enough for today guys.  How about we have a long lunch and take the rest of the week off.  Meet you at the 4 Seasons.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:39 | 4490137 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

What else are they going to do, they have to follow the rule-book, and the Russians (and Chinese) have a VETO. So without consensus, all it can be is a meeting.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:30 | 4490053 LeisureSmith
LeisureSmith's picture

I don't know if this bear uses assless chaps, but this is starting to look like a party i don't want anything to do with.

And whats up with the cnn story...
CNN Claims "Americans Want Security Over Freedom Access denied?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:30 | 4490069 The Most Intere...
The Most Interesting Frog in the World's picture

Good question...  CNN coming down on ZH???

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:32 | 4490084 SgtShaftoe
SgtShaftoe's picture

"All of your computer belong to NSA".  Now get to your assigned work camp

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:37 | 4490116 The Most Intere...
The Most Interesting Frog in the World's picture

In Russian accent, "and NSA belong to Mother Russia...ha ha ha...."

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:42 | 4490150 SgtShaftoe
SgtShaftoe's picture

The NSA will belong to whoever holds the ground the data centers sit on.  There's a reasonable chance washington won't be controlling that ground in the near future. 

San Antonio, Utah... that's some pretty politically unstable ground. 

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:46 | 4490453 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

CNN coming down on ZH???

Ditto!  What the fuck is up with that?  it's from a December post that when you click on it says "access denied".

Keith Alexander in his desperation must be warning the loyal among "ZH" to mind their 'p's and q's, before his boyz and girlz declare WWIII on a cyber 9/11 event.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:29 | 4490057 The Most Intere...
The Most Interesting Frog in the World's picture

We could really use a community organizer right now.....

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:29 | 4490060 Dollarmedes
Dollarmedes's picture

US intelligence doesn't think there's going to be an invasion:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/27/u-s-spies-no-russia-isn...

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:31 | 4490078 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

"US intelligence doesn't think."

FTFY!

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:59 | 4490493 Dollarmedes
Dollarmedes's picture

Snark isn't analysis.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:20 | 4490187 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

That's not what the article says.

You don't even need to read beyond the subtitle of the article (hint "openly").

Move, Counter Move

This is not an "open" invasion (yet). But if the US puppets in Kiev engage the local militias in the Crimea, then the Russians also wouldn't be "openly" invading, CIA CYA (unless you are Dick Cheney and looking for Waldo's WMD, then the MIC will fall on its sword and take the blame).

Spook-speak, Diplo-speak, Legal-speak, Bankster-speak (all dialects of the fascist language group)

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 15:58 | 4490491 Dollarmedes
Dollarmedes's picture

"But if the US puppets in Kiev engage the local militias in the Crimea..."

Two problems with that:

1) "US puppets in Kiev": This administration isn't competent enough to have "puppets." Who do you think Obama is, Kissenger?!?

2) "engage the local militias in the Crimea...": Why on earth would they do that? They couldn't hope to defeat the Russians, and even if they did they'd be in "control" of an ethnically-Russian region that supports Putin. All that trouble in exchange for what? Ukrainian pride?

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 17:16 | 4490994 Urban Redneck
Urban Redneck's picture

1) I would distinguish between the administration and the establishment.

The administration may believe they have puppets in place, but what they actually have is aspirants to thrown of a kleptocracy. Once crowned the prime motivation becomes maintaining the crown. This necessarily entails cutting the best deal possible, with the big fish and amassing enough loot to keep the other aspirants at bay.

The establishment, however, most certainly has puppets in place, but in supporting roles. No administration's control of the establishment is absolute, it is free to sack the Secretaries of State, Defense, and the DCI, as well as their deputies, and dictate policy, but sometimes actions do not coincide with policy when the fiefdoms have different priorities than the administration.

2) Ukrainian "forces" could engage the Crimean locals either probitively where a miscalculation could draw in the Russians. Or puppets could engage the Crimean locals as a result of someone's puppet attempting to escalate the situation. It's a very crowded playing field with a lot of competing interests at stake, beyond just the competing and factious elements of the new coalition "regime" and those who prefer the Russian alternative, Russia itself, the US, Poland, the rest of the EU, et al.

Fri, 02/28/2014 - 14:30 | 4490061 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

John

Wave your finger some more and keep telling yourself and the JCS that it's really working this time!

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!