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The Invasion So Far: Visual Summary Of Russian Forces And Movements

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Moments ago Interfax reported that two Russian anti-submarine warships have appeared off the coast of Ukraine's Crimea region, violating an agreement on Moscow's lease of a naval base, according to a Ukrainian military source as saying. Then again what else would a Ukrainian military source say. The source added that the two vessels, part of Russia's Baltic Fleet, had been sighted in a bay at Sevastopol, where Moscow's Black Sea Fleet has a base.

So imagine two extra anti-sub ships off Sevastopol in the map below which until this latest update from Contemporary Issues and Geography, was keeping an accurate running update of all the most recent developments in the staggered Russian invasion of the Ukraine.


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Sat, 03/01/2014 - 16:52 | 4494407 flacon
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What does the USA get out this?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 16:54 | 4494418 semperfidelis
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Ukraine asks for protection of NATO

Don`t forget this:

1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership
between the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Ukraine:
14. NATO Allies will continue to support Ukrainian sovereignty and independence, territorial integrity, democratic development, economic prosperity and its status as a non-nuclear weapon state, and the principle of inviolability of frontiers, as key factors of stability and security in Central and Eastern Europe and in the continent as a whole.
15. NATO and Ukraine will develop a crisis consultative mechanism to consult together whenever Ukraine perceives a direct threat to its territorial integrity, political independence, or security.
16. NATO welcomes and supports the fact that Ukraine received security assurances from all five nuclear-weapon states parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear weapon state party to the NPT, and recalls the commitments undertaken by the United States and the United Kingdom, together with Russia, and by France unilaterally, which took the historic decision in Budapest in 1994 to provide Ukraine with security assurances as a non-nuclear weapon state party to the NPT.

Poland will ask for it, Baltic states will ask for it, Romania and Hungary will ask for it.

Invasion of Ukraine=Poland 1939 or WW3.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 16:57 | 4494432 Buckaroo Banzai
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Lots of weasel words in there. Basically says that NATO will be happy to hold hands and sing kumbaya for Ukraine. Odds of NATO getting involved militarily asymptotically approach zero. Besides, Obama is to busy destroying the USA from within to waste time on Ukraine.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:03 | 4494442 semperfidelis
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That would deal an unfix-able blow to NATO and US standing on the world stage. It will not happen. You will have WW3 first.

The Budapest memorandum is fundamental. If security assurances are nullified Iran will never give up nuclear weapons. Putin`s invasion bluff was called by the Kiev authorities (most likely under direct US recommendation). I say Russia will fold. If they don`t, WW3.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:04 | 4494472 IridiumRebel
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Russia will not fold. They seem all in now. Add a Chinese block via the UN Security Council and we got problems.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:08 | 4494485 mjcOH1
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"1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership
between the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Ukraine:
14. NATO Allies will continue to support Ukrainian sovereignty and independence, territorial integrity, democratic development, economic prosperity and its status as a non-nuclear weapon state, and the principle of inviolability of frontiers, as key factors of stability and security in Central and Eastern Europe and in the continent as a whole."


It wasn't lies.  That's just pillow talk, baby.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:21 | 4494550 Ignatius
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Crimea river.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:43 | 4494643 The Shootist
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They go all in with superior firepower, like in Georgia. Which surprised me when their allies didn't help.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:50 | 4495496 ebworthen
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On their way to Odessa, at the least.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 23:56 | 4495795 PR Guy
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Putin is really screwing up Yulia Tymoshenko's attempts to be queen of all Ukraine. But then, Putine doesn't like queens very much does he?


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:47 | 4495993 Squid-puppets a...
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The US will sit back and suck it up. If they had the balls and the insanity to act on ukraine, they woulda acted on syria

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:59 | 4496129 Element
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Even Turkey's close to internal political implosion.

Relying on distant powerful allies to intervene has always been high-risk, but against a nuclear aggressor - forget it.

And Nuclear-Umbrellas don't work because the umbrella holder is gonna quickly realize it does not actually want to be involved in a nuclear war thanks.

"Look, we like you guys, we like you a lot in fact, but after careful consideration we regret to inform you that we're withdrawing the commitment to supply a nuclear-umbrella. All the best and yada-yada-yada ..."

In other words, we offered you the umbrella assurances to make sure you would not be building your own nuclear deterrence, so that we could manipulate you, and you fell for it, and we apologise profusely that this has resulted in your being a disposable minor front-line pawn of our geopolitical gamesmanship, and that your national strategic defense was unfortunately completely non-existent and backed by a load of old bollocks.

Try not to be so gullible and .. err ... better luck in the next life.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 02:07 | 4496149 fonestar
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Okay.. okay.. enough of all this Ukraine, Putin, WW3 stuff.  The real virtual men here want to talk about Bitcoin.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 03:24 | 4496258 Element
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Yeah, what about that!? lol

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 07:09 | 4496467 GetZeeGold
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How was I to know....she was with the Russians too?


Send lawyers, guns, and get me out of this.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:55 | 4496673 Keyser
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@semper = member of the jarhead clan... Shriekers that proclaim that the sky will fall if the US doesn't maintain providence over how every man, woman and child on the planet wipes their collective asses... Time for a bit of de-programming @semper... 


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:06 | 4496696 ConManipulation
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I was singing that all Friday night & day!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 07:36 | 4496487 DFCtomm
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Well, at least you seem to be keeping your sense of humor during the collapse of your entire financial plan.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 11:58 | 4497157 fonestar
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When did Bitcoin "collapse" dipshit?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:25 | 4498028 DFCtomm
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So there are no problems in candyland then?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 08:45 | 4496553 giggler321
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Well there's a few angry nerds who lost out to Mt.Gox you could talk to if you like but here on ZH it's war babie and not with your 1's and 0's today. X

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:16 | 4496599 whatthecurtains
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Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:18 | 4496722 TMLutas
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Let's list the countries in the neighborhood that have enough scientific and technical oomph to run a successful nuclear program who have to be wondering whether they've been gullible too. My list includes the following


Non-neighbors would include

South Korea, 
Saudi Arabia,

All of these countries will continue to say they rely on defense assurances from the US and EU. All of them, right now, are either dusting off or strengthening their national 'Plan B' defense strategies. This is not a good world. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:04 | 4496579 buttmint
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...just had a sicko thought: why not enlist and send over to Ukraine all ther spineless fucks know as TSA? Those fucktards would turn in their badges.Yes, their stinkin' badges.' Tin sheriff no dick pricks that are true sociopaths. TSA at the front lines of Democracy on the outskirts of Kiev---it brings a tear to one's eye!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:47 | 4495994 Squid-puppets a...
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The US will sit back and suck it up. If they had the balls and the insanity to act on ukraine, they woulda acted on syria

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 02:16 | 4496166 Handful of Dust
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I can't blame the Russkies; after all, the Ukrainian women are by far the hottest and most beautiful women in all of Europe. They are a treasure definitely worth protection.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 08:55 | 4496567 GetZeeGold
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they woulda acted on syria


Which side are we on again?

The dictator or the terrorists?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:46 | 4496659 Hephaestus
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Nobody knows after McCain and Kerry openly declared for al qaeda in the Syrian conflict. This marine expressed his displeasure directly to McCain.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:00 | 4496685 Keyser
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We have seen the enemy and he is us. Never in history has this statement been more true. Our leaders are obviously working in concert with factions on all sides of a geo-political crisis. The Ukraine is a prime example. The uprising was instigated and funded by Soros, a known minion of the Rothschilds... 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:04 | 4496694 Eisenhorn
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This is still about Syria IMO.   Syria BY ITSELF wasn't enough to make the Russians fold.  Now they have to deal with Ukraine.  Watch for Syria to RE-IGNITE.

This is about spreading the Russians thin so that they cannot keep Assad in power.  Kuwaiti Nat Gas to Europe via Syria. 

Unless of course you believe that it is just a coincidence that two of the most critical Russian proxy states (Syria and Ukraine) just happen to have uprisings within a year of each other.....

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:24 | 4498019 DFCtomm
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What's causing the turmoil in other nations that aren't associated with Russia?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 03:25 | 4496262 Alpha Dog Food
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Predictions of 'false flag' events in Ukraine.


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 07:44 | 4496491 DFCtomm
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WTF? Why would you need a false flag, when you have real fucking flags. I figure Ukraine is going to start shooting. That's what I would do. Make this a hot war for Russia, instead of a peaceful slow motion occupation. It's a lot harder for the world to look away when the lead is flying.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 12:25 | 4497269 FilthyPhil37
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Ukraine would be Georgia'd in a matter or weeks if it starts shooting. Think German-led EU will come to protect a non-member against their gas supplier? Think jaded American Empire come to rescue slavs from slavs?


fuck off moron

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:20 | 4498004 DFCtomm
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They aren't being Georgia'd now? Yes I think the U.S. might come to their rescue under the right circumstances. Ukraine just has to be smart enough to create those circumstances. I'd actually focus on the U.K. if I were them. The "treaty" is probably binding against them, and then the U.S. will probably be pulled in.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:52 | 4495504 aminorex
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Time for decent people everywhere in the world to start killing Russians.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:03 | 4495823 PR Guy
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I'm sure the US Navy Seals are sniffing around somewhere......


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:15 | 4495872 Jack Burton
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Seals. Aren't they in Afghanistan finishing up America's total victory in the war on Taliban.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:19 | 4495894 sushi
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They are busy pivoting to Aisa in preparation for total victory on some half submerged rock that everybody seems to own.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:35 | 4495937 Real Estate Geek
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After this debacle, I'm thinking that China owns those rocks.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:22 | 4496079 Element
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"Seals. Aren't they in Afghanistan finishing up America's total victory in the war on Taliban."

Speaking of which, aren't western forces still reliant on Russian airspace access to get their remaining shit out of Afghanistan?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:54 | 4496124 BraveSirRobin
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No, the Pakistanis are helping us leave. It's in their interests to do so. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 02:00 | 4496134 Element
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Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:37 | 4495949 TungstenBars
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I don't think you want to be threatening people that might come find you. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:16 | 4496066 Hephaestus
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The Seals and the other SF teams are the good guys. Who do think will be training the citizens if the SHTF. What ever happens they will always come to America's aid.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 02:03 | 4496138 Overfed
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Yeah, right. The SEALs are the CIA's wetwork kill squad. They're gonna be (if they aren't  already) training the DHS/FBI/BATF/ICE brownshirts.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 03:50 | 4496299 mumcard
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They're attack dogs, they're not sheep dogs.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:44 | 4496656 DaddyO
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Dead Wrong, Benghazi woke up all the SF guys...I know several who woke up to the horror of their real expendability almost overnight.


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:03 | 4496690 Keyser
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Well duh... They are the sharp end of the stick and have always been expendable. It's the nature of the beast. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 05:51 | 4496411 Adahy
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If you need training after SHTF, you're already fucked.


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 16:16 | 4498230 Mad Muppet
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The Seals and the other SF teams are the good guys. Who do think will be training the citizens if the SHTF. What ever happens they will always come to America's aid.


Kinda like at Waco, where they machinegunned all the people fleeing the fire? Is that what you meant?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 04:05 | 4496316 Notarocketscientist
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You mean Americans don't you?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:43 | 4496655 RSloane
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You first, Aminorex. Be sure to keep an online journal of your stealthy landing in the Ukraine and lots of pics of you killing Russians.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 23:29 | 4495682 silvermail
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"Central and Eastern Europe and in the continent as a whole."

It wasn't lies.  That's just pillow talk, baby."

Well, well, welcome to the Crimea. In Crimea, a lot of land, this land will take all "guests". NATO occupiers will not be the first to become fertilizer for the land of Crimea, baby.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:08 | 4494490 cossack55
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You have a rat in your pocket? Who the fuck is "we"?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:11 | 4494505 IridiumRebel
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World Wars tend to effect everyone.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:13 | 4494512 knukles
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What if I just get my bugout bag and skippy off to the hills?


maniacal laughter

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:17 | 4494536 IridiumRebel
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Run to the Cali Hills my friend. If you make it to Ohio, I'll provide you shelter. 

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:34 | 4494874 disabledvet
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i always loved that scene in Apocalypse Now where they do that air assault thingy and there's that one kid screaming "NO I WON'T GO! NO I WON'T GO!" as they drag him out to fight.

Again "this a full scale unprovoked Russian invasion of a sovereign country that represents no threat to Russia or anyone else." This sounds like a Russian problem...not an American one.

"should make NATO good for another 100 years" obviously. I Europe "manning the baricades" here?

"No Dimitri...we will not help you with the occupation."

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 20:19 | 4495162 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Please Mr. Custer, I don't wanna go
Hey, Mr. Custer, please don't make me go
I had a dream last night about the comin' fight
Somebody yelled "attack!"
And there I stood with a arrow in my back."

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 20:57 | 4495238 Debeachesand Je...
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"duck your head Charlie".

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:21 | 4496571 GetZeeGold
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Stow those you want to get your ass shot off?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:13 | 4495369 SmackDaddy
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freedom?  if im gonna get ball blown off for a word, my word is poon-taaang....


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 19:07 | 4494967 knukles
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You're the best, my brother.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:48 | 4495491 disabledvet
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I thought the Americans were crazy...but Putin is about to go one better.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 04:16 | 4496336 ArrestBobRubin
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What, is it mentally disabled, vet?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:07 | 4496575 GetZeeGold
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Before I forget...


Greetings to our resident KGB agents. If you need anything...please don't hesitate to ask.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:28 | 4494583 Headbanger
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We be a waitin for ya to bring us some food..

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:28 | 4494584 kaiserhoff
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You're always welcome on the New River, knuks, but Mule Creek is better defended;)

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4494973 knukles
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Brother :)

Good people all over here, ya' know!

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:22 | 4494556 kaiserhoff
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Which is why there won't be nne here, over what exactly, Ukainian territorial sovereignty?

Putin would pay a massive price for a full scale invasion, loss of his oil and gas revenue and a rearmed Germany. 

On the other hand, sometimes thugs, just gotta be thugs.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:35 | 4494607 darkstar7646
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I think Putin won a massive political victory by turning the Sochi Games into a Russian-won farce.

If the world could've stood up to Putin by either boycotting the Games or going and discrediting Putin's approach by more than propaganda, they might've gotten somewhere.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:41 | 4494634 semperfidelis
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Russian orthodox patriarchate in Ukraine against invasion ->

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:11 | 4494782 Anusocracy
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Wow, BFD!

Religion, the second bloodiest of man's creations after government.

You've got to be a NSA troll.

Here's the scoop: the US started this.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 19:21 | 4495004 Fish Gone Bad
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The US is the biggest dog in ANY fight.  The US is so big in fact, it is running out of real enemies.  If there is money to be made, someone is going to make it.


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:11 | 4496706 Keyser
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Ah, and there we have it. That "Merkan Exceptionalism" again. Have the last 60 years of US interference taught you nothing? How many times has the US had their ass kicked since 1950? Come on, I'm waiting... 



Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:45 | 4495981 TungstenBars
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How much does the NSA pay you to think stupid?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 06:11 | 4496423 Rogue Trooper
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Good point TungstenBars.  Frankly, I think the NSA should either ask for their wages back from this moron or make use of him at a chemical weapons testing facility, somewhere in Nevada.... PsyOps ain't his thing.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 10:13 | 4496709 Keyser
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I blame it on television and fast food. That combination in any dose will make a person dumb as hell. 


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:11 | 4494507 knukles
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Hows about a Russian block in the Security Council?

Obie already had the CNN mouthpiece carrier of Offal Water (Offal, not a pun) announce that "uninvited presence is not an invasion."


As was said above, he's too busy destroying America from within... AND doing nothing destroys her reputation, reliability (as if any left anyfuckinghow) with our "partners" overseas

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:32 | 4494597 semperfidelis
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I think this is much larger than Obama. I`m thinking this guys

vs. these guys

Dick measuring contest

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 02:12 | 4496156 horseman
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I checked out that link you posted and all our generals were smiling.  The russians were stone faced.  When I was in the Marines everyone took their picture with a stone face.  The old combat vet DI's had  scowles on their faces.  The series sgt a guy named GySgt Omak, had a full on warface in his photo. I saw a pretty recent graduation book and most of the recruits had smiles on their faces and all the command staff did.  It surprised me.  There has been a huge shift in mindset from what was my experience 30+ years ago. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:13 | 4496596 spankfish
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We drone with a smile?  Love and bullets?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:40 | 4494896 disabledvet
disabledvet's picture ya' BUT YOUR'RE A KNUCKLEHEAD.

There is no "going to the UN" when Russia is the one taking out a sovereign State.
I mean...fine "lodge a protest" but the UN has ZERO enforcement so going there means absolutely nothing.

If Putie Pie's Navy and Armor starts getting plinked then we have a problem.
Now "the war is not just costly but expensive."

The best thing at this point is a "good clean invasion followed by a drunken occupation with lots of Full Retard." A bad thing is an actual division of Ukraine with the Russians pulling forth the artillery "to take out those pesky Kiev'ers who refuse to surrender."

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 19:11 | 4494983 knukles
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Oh, I don't know...
Could see Francis Hollande making a Grand Gesture for The Good of Mankind and then Once It is Vetoed, Threatening to Stop the Sale of Gucci Handbags to the GUM Department Store for a Week.


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4494996 kaiserhoff
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with his fingers crossed, of course.


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:54 | 4495509 disabledvet
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Is it too late to ask for the money part of the deal?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:49 | 4495999 TungstenBars
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At some point you need to throw out the ol military brainwashing from your head sir.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:30 | 4496626 disabledvet
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I would but it's all Russian military brainwashing dude.

I mean..."go ahead. Jump on in there and start killing Ukrainian women and children." I'm sure the whole world will see you as a champ and call you a Great American Hero!

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:07 | 4494758 Lumberjack
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China ready to strengthen all-round cooperation with Iraq: FM


BAGHDAD, Feb. 23 (Xinhua) -- Visiting Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said here on Sunday that China is ready to strengthen its all-round cooperation with Iraq.

"China will continue to promote its friendly traditional ties with Iraq, deepen the political mutual trust between the two countries and take advantage of each other's economic strengths," Wang said during his meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

"China firmly supports Iraq's efforts to safeguard its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, accelerate its political rebuilding and national reconciliation and fight against terrorism," Wang said.

For his part, Al-Maliki said Iraq thanks China for its unwavering support on the country's reconstruction.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 19:47 | 4495087 semperfidelis
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Translation: China wants oil.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:35 | 4496102 DYS
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China:  Pssst.  Leaders of Iraq.

Iraq:  Yes?

China: You guys want to be rich beyond your wildest dreams?

Iraq:  Yeah.

China:  Play for our team.   We'll support your "independence".

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:31 | 4496630 Col. kong
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Wang, don't tell them your Jewish. I think this clubs restricted!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 04:34 | 4496358 nelsonmandella
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Perfect timing for China to move on Japan.

North Korea to make some noise 

When all else fails turn to war ! 


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 04:34 | 4496359 nelsonmandella
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Perfect timing for China to move on Japan.

North Korea to make some noise 

When all else fails turn to war ! 


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:04 | 4494473 Buckaroo Banzai
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"That would deal an unfix-able blow to NATO and the US standing on the world stage."

Because nothing that Obama does constitutes an unfixable blow to the US standing on the world stage...right???

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:10 | 4494491 semperfidelis
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Obama is irrelevant. This is larger than Obama. He is a puppet. Wtf? Obama? Putin? This is Russia`s imperialism vs. US and NATO imperialism. Same as it ever was. It is much much larger than the 2 puppet leaders.


China is probably thinking `how do we get the Indians involved` ...

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:14 | 4494522 kaiserhoff
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Wir haben eine kleine Sitz Krieg.

Same as the Sino/Nipponese War currently under way.  Much huffing and puffing, and the country will be partitioned along ethnic/linguistic regions.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:25 | 4494555 semperfidelis
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That sounds logical but it will not happen. If borders are re-written in Europe Hungary (Transylvania, southern Slovakia) will ask the same, Romania will ask the same (Moldova, Northern Bukovina, Ismail and Northern Maramures, Timok Valley), Germany will ask the same (Alsace & Lorena), Serbia will ask the same (Kosovo), Poland will ask the same (western Belarus and Ukraine) and there are many others. If we start re-writing the borders we open Pandora`s box.

Today this popped up:

I just broke down. Putin, Obama, will never lose what that child lost for his ENTIRE LIFE!

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:25 | 4494572 kaiserhoff
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Yes, it's a cluster fuck, and pretty much the history of the twentieth century, and ours.

Can't wait to kick Chicaga out of Illinois;)

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:36 | 4494682 DogOfSinope
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Get your facts right.
USA (hiding behind NATO) started changing European borders by taking Kosovo from Serbia and giving it to separatists (in western MSM: freedom fighters. In reality: heroin mafia), despite protests from Rusia, China, India, all of Southern America and even Spain, Romania, Greece, Cyprus, etc. that this is breaking international law and will create dangerous precedent.
USA unilaterally recognized Kosovo's "independence". After bombing an UN member country without Security Council approval. Country that posed no threat to USA, was USA ally in two WWs and which population generally and genuinely loved USA and it's people.

So, all this whining now is just hypocritical.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:53 | 4494928 CrashisOptimistic
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All you guys swaggering about with your conspiracies that have been in place for hundreds of years need to count humans.

Yes, count humans.

There have never been 7 billion before and every one of them eats a lot of calories every day, and those calories were shipped to them with oil.  Cities don't feed themselves anymore with suburb farms.  Those are parking lots now.

The farms are hundreds of miles away and the food arrives by oil

He who has the oil rules the world.  Putin has the strongest hand.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 07:37 | 4496490 BeansMcGreens
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From the Guardian March 2010

"The UN said that urbanisation is now "unstoppable". Anna Tibaijuka, outgoing director of UN-Habitat, said: "Just over half the world now lives in cities but by 2050, over 70% of the world will be urban dwellers. By then, only 14% of people in rich countries will live outside cities, and 33% in poor countries."

China and India are looking at Africa for farm land. Even Saudi Arabia is in Ethiopia growing rice. The Ukraine has always been the bread basket of Russia at least in recent history.

Meanwhile in the US there is a land grab by corporations to control all food production. Learn about GAP, and The Food Safety Act. Bye Bye small producers, but it is for your safety, and the children.



Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:32 | 4496633 Col. kong
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Amen Brother!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:11 | 4496592 Zadig
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Good!  Borders are fictions created by victorious war criminals so adjustments are not a problem. 

I'd also imagine Germans are more likely to regain their former Polish territory than their 2 French provinces.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:18 | 4496602 spankfish
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What no Fulda Gap style invasion?  No Kursk 2.0 battle field?  Partitioning?  That's boring... sarc/off

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:18 | 4494541 knukles
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Give 'em a bunch of alcohol.

Whoop whoop yippie ki aye

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:36 | 4496106 DYS
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US imperialism?   The US is a hammer.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 06:14 | 4496431 Rogue Trooper
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... and we are all NAILS.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:25 | 4496614 GetZeeGold
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Proud member of the 99% useful idiots club.


I blame this all on global warming really.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:05 | 4494477 Smegley Wanxalot
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LMFAO @ "US standing on the world stage."

That was blown long ago, man.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:09 | 4494500 semperfidelis
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Excuse me `international banking cabal imperialism`.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:20 | 4496076 mkkby
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LMAO as well. 

Iraq already controlled by islamists again.  Afghanistan will go back to Taliban 6 months after we leave, when ever that is.  Iran can do what ever it wants.  Norks can do what ever they want.  The last decade of wars produced nothing but more determined enemies.

China taking over Africa by spending their paper dollars.  Japan in 3rd decade of depression... swimming in their own nuclear waste.

US and Europe burying themselves in debt.  They will be irrelevant in a few decades.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:12 | 4494513 11b40
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And I say you need to have a cold hard look at reality as it happens right before your very eyes.  This is no longer an "if" or "when" situation.  It's on.

It started out as:

Then went to:

Soon to become:


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:55 | 4495513 disabledvet
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"That escalated quickly."

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:23 | 4494564 ShrNfr
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Iran is not going to give up nukes any more than Assad is going to get rid of all his chemical weapons. Ukraine wave bye bye at the Crimea, Russia is calling it home.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:35 | 4494609 kaiserhoff
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Just so,

  but if they broke it, they bought it.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:18 | 4494809 ersatzteil
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What "nukes"? The 20% enrichment for medical isotopes "nukes"? No, they won't give those up. Iran has to treat tens of thousands of chemical warfare victims from when American-sponsored Iraq gassed them in the 80's. 

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 23:41 | 4495451 SameAsItEverWas
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What "nukes"? The 20% enrichment for medical isotopes "nukes"? No, they won't give those up. Iran has to treat tens of thousands of chemical warfare victims from when American-sponsored Iraq gassed them in the 80's. 

While you're exactly right about 20% LEU being standard fuel for medical isotope production reactors, it's nonsequitor to connect that with chemical weapons use 30 years ago by Iraq.  Any modern hospital uses wide variety isotopes for both diagnostics and therapeutics, with clear top being thyroid ablation with I-131.  While there may have been "tens of thousands" of those victims in 1980s, there can't be many still alive remaining in Iran.  Iran is a nation of young people.

Any intelligent person should know that the only country in the Middle East with an ILLEGAL nuclear weapons program is our "very good friend" Israel, the same people who helped bring down the Twin Towers.

I'm amazed that so many people here at ZH stupidly parrot the lies of our government in "thinking" Iran has a nuclear weapons program of any sort.  They really don't need anything other than a contingency plan for a South Africa-style HEU gun bomb that might be quickly made with ~100 kg of the many tons of sub-90% HEU unaccounted for after the FSU collapsed.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:26 | 4494577 graneros
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"If security assurances are nullified Iran will never give up nuclear weapons."

Iran won't give up their nuclear weapons no matter what happens. As far as Russia folding? Who in their right mind folds a Royal Flush?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:51 | 4494666 jaxville
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Iranian nuclear weapons???? Get a friggin' grip! Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. Everything they are doing in their nuclear program is in accordance with the non proliferation treaty which they have signed. Stop watching the idiot box for your information.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:20 | 4494818 ersatzteil
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Likely a case of mistaken country...he had the first letter right, "I" letter comes after "R"...

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:41 | 4495466 PhilofOz
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It really does show how well western MSM propaganda has worked on the sheeple they focus on. Pathetic!

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 17:51 | 4494665 New_Meat
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Yo, s/f:

"That would deal an unfix-able blow to NATO and US standing on the world stage."

Me-thinks that you are making a big assumption--that either NATO signatories or the current NCA  i) give a shit, ii) have a clue, or iii) do not secretly wish that unfix-able blow to land hard.  After all, John Forbes Kerry (who served in Veet-nam), well his motto is "Raro Fidelis"


- Ned

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:06 | 4494745 Anusocracy
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Are you a NSA disinfo douche?

The Constitution has been voided and you're worried about that POS document.

Besides, it's already been violated by the US and its toadies. Russia is following the West's lead.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:40 | 4494899 Urban Redneck
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He certainly seems like an NSA douche, perhaps he shouldn't be fed, just ridiculed, unless and until he can cut the cheap incitements and find reason.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:34 | 4494878 Pig Circus
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"That would deal an unfix-able blow to NATO and US standing on the world stage. It will not happen. You will have WW3 first."

Ha ha ha...Yeah okay... I know lets get the UN involved they will fix it. O'dipshit said last night 'There will be consequences" he just didn't say for whom. I'm surpised he didn't say if you like your free country you can keep it.

The real question is what country will Putin invade next. Damn I miss InTrade.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:45 | 4494911 Urban Redneck
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I don't watch Stompyfeet videos.

Did he really not specify exactly for whom there would be consequences?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 18:46 | 4494913 disabledvet
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again...Ukraine is not a threat...but it can become a SYMBOL.
An unprovoked aggression is the last thing I would think Russia would want here.
Even WITH the "go ahead" from "the People's Court."

messy, messy, messy.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:44 | 4495473 angel_of_joy
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O'dipshit said last night 'There will be consequences" he just didn't say for whom.

It's his style. He did the same before his election telling everybody and his dog about "change" to come. He just omitted to mention what sort of...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:34 | 4496638 disabledvet
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ummm...."the President's unemployment problem ends with one dead Russian."

So does Europe's.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 20:14 | 4495146 August
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>>>The Budapest memorandum is fundamental.

The Clinton State Department made this diplomatic guarantee; now, let them enforce it. 

The government of the USA has zero obligation to do so... unless you're talking about a "moral" obligation, in which case there's not a lot more to say, is there?

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 21:25 | 4495298 BraveSirRobin
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"That would deal an unfix-able blow to NATO and US standing on the world stage. It will not happen. You will have WW3 first." 

Never happen. Obama is a feckless limp member who will only shoot at people who are helpless and who cannot shoot back, and the EU will do anything to keep the natural gas flowing. 

Probable outcome is Crimea will be declared an independent state by referendum overseen by Russia (which it would probably win fairly in any event), and eventual Crimean union with Russia in a few years after the dust settles. 

Will US and NATO cedibility take a hit? Are you kidding - what credibility do you speak of, exactly? I would really like to know?

If we end up in war, it will not be to defend our sacred honor, but because king Barak is so stupid and incompetent.... well, enough said, the NSA is watching.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 23:38 | 4495722 StychoKiller
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"When danger reared its ugly head, Obama turned his tail and fled."  -- Your Minstrels :>D

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:00 | 4495340 Renewable Life
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You sound like you've been breed in the fire son, but boys like you have never run shit or made calls, while I admire the gusto, you better refer to "the company" handbook on this one! You know the guys REALLY fucking running shit and making the calls that send the sons into the fire!!

Ukraine would make Afganistan and Iraq look like kindergarten class, and I don't even think someone like you, could believe that shit went as planned???

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:44 | 4495480 silvermail
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" I say Russia will fold. If they don`t, WW3."

If you think that the Russian will allow neo-fascists kill of Russian people on earth Russian in Crimea, you are idiot. In this situation, Russia will be stay as a granite rock. If someone in the White House thinks, that the Russian will retreat, it will mean a third world war and it will be correct. The EuNAO whole world entangled network of lies and hypocrisy. They call black white. Why do we need such a world? Such a world must to burn in nuclear fire. Amen!

I do not understand why no one talks about that Putin protects the legitimate interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people? I think that the whole world has gone mad! How the rebels, that illegally seized power in Kiev, can called as "Ukraine"? And how they can call as the "rebels", east of Ukraine, that remained loyal to the Constitution and the legitimate president of the country?
This is a full Insanity pseudodemocracy of US!

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 23:03 | 4495545 disabledvet
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He might be...but as Yanukkvich says "Putin has been very quiet."

My guess is he is thinking very hard about "what next."
I see nothing from anywhere...least of all the West...that has any interest in standing in Putin's way. So you tell me...after Ukraine is "secured" what next?

This definitely has my does your comment. Hope to see more from your angle actually...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:58 | 4496020 silvermail
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"This definitely has my does your comment. Hope to see more from your angle actually..."

I think that after organized CIA armed coup in Kiev, Putin will restore historical justice.

Look at the map below to see what is was Ukraine, without generous gifts of land from Russia.
Putin's plan on the map of Ukraine: We'll take back only lands, that belong to Russia and nothing more:

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:42 | 4496653 disabledvet
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I don't need to look at the map. I know where Ukraine is.

I've been to Berlin...toured the City.
The Russian bullet holes were still in the Walls when I was there.

"Crimea" might speak Russian...but "that has been the land of many."
Normally "many wars."
You sure you can stop at "just what is Russia's"?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 19:28 | 4498929 silvermail
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"You sure you can stop at "just what is Russia's"?"

Good question. If Russia does not stop, I personally am against Russia. But let's look at the facts:
During the period from 1798 to 2002, the United States used military force abroad 238 times.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 23:45 | 4495740 Freddie
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Wake up and go read The Constitution or something.   If you were a Marine then your employer wa sthe international banking cartel not the red white and blue.  America and anyone in the American military has been getting F over since The Civil War.  1.1 million American men slaughtered each other in the Civil War because it made the european banking cartel richer and they gained more control over the USA.

You guys are as dumb as that stupid skirt chaser General Petreaus who got caught in a double honey pot. What a disgrace he is. Honor?  That douchebag has no idea what honor is.


Sun, 03/02/2014 - 01:13 | 4496062 bitHedge
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A treaty with the USA... Ask the native Americans, it doesn't mean shit

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 04:03 | 4496314 Notarocketscientist
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The US will FOLD - Just as they folded in SYRIA when Putin drew the line in the sand and said fuck off or be ready to go at it.



Sun, 03/02/2014 - 07:27 | 4496484 Ar-Pharazôn
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like the red line Obomba drawn in Syria?


if you like your red line, you can keep it ;)

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:14 | 4496598 Wahooo
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I have a bridge, a Benghazi secret memo, and the recipe for Coca-Cola to sell ya!  The day the Kenyan announces he is sending our men and women to Crimea or Ukraine is the day American cities burn.

Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:05 | 4495348 Renewable Life
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Shit, before the British could even call the Russian ambassador in, it looks like Russia had this bitch occupied!!! I think it's obvious we're the Ukrainian military stands and that's with Russia!!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:48 | 4496667 disabledvet
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The Russians have the Crimea occupied..."and they're not in uniform."

Ukrainians are a conscripted force...they have a national anthem "and all that shit." And yes...there is an actual Ukrainian history...and no it ISN'T "Stalin" or "Hitler."

If these "conscripts" start planning for a defense in depth of Kiev this "intervention" could prove VERY costly. "Suddenly the hunter becomes the hunted."
Already there are protests in Moscow.

If Putin backs down now he might be seen as "the Big Loser" here.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 00:05 | 4495831 rsnoble
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No fucking doubt Mr. 1000+ executive orders.

At this point in time, and I don't care how fucking smart you are, it's really hard telling exactly wtf is going on.  

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 09:08 | 4496588 johngerard
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pretty much it

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