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John Kerry Slams "Incredible Act Of Aggression", NATO Says Russia "Must Stop"
Just in case Obama's Friday message of "costs" should Russia invade Ukraine, which it did, was lost in translation, here is NATO with the clarification, and more harsh language:
NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen convened an emergency meeting of NATO ambassadors in Brussels on Sunday to discuss the situation in Ukraine.
Ahead of the meeting he issued the following statement:
I have convened the North Atlantic Council today because of Russia's military action in Ukraine. And because of President Putin's threats against this sovereign nation.
What Russia is doing now in Ukraine violates the principles of the United Nations Charter. It threatens peace and security in Europe. Russia must stop its military activities and its threats.
Today we will discuss their implications, for European peace and security, and for NATO's relationship with Russia.
Afterwards, we will meet in the NATO-Ukraine Commission.
We support Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. We support the right of the people of Ukraine to determine their own future without outside interference. And we emphasize the need for Ukraine to continue to uphold the democratic rights of all people and ensure that minority rights are protected.
Ukraine is our neighbour, and Ukraine is a valued partner for NATO.
We urge all parties to urgently continue all efforts to move away from this dangerous situation. In particular, I call on Russia to de-escalate tensions.
And just in case both Obama and NATO were misunderstood, here is Kerry appearing on CBS' Face the Nation laying down the law, and even more harsh language:
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday condemned Russia's "incredible act of aggression" in Ukraine and threatened "very serious repercussions" from the United States and other countries, including sanctions to isolate Russia economically.
"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text," Kerry told the CBS program "Face the Nation."
Kerry, however, added that Russia still has "a right set of choices" that can be made to defuse the crisis.
"It's an incredible act of aggression. It is really a stunning, willful choice by President (Vladimir) Putin to invade another country. Russia is in violation of the sovereignty of Ukraine. Russia is in violation of its international obligations," Kerry added.
Kerry said U.S. President Barack Obama told Putin in a 90-minute phone call on Saturday that "there will be serious repercussions if this stands. The president ... told Mr. Putin that it was imperative to find a different path, to roll back this invasion and un-do this act of invasion."
Kerry said G8 nations and some other countries are "prepared to go to the hilt to isolate Russia" with a "broad array of options" available.
"They're prepared to put sanctions in place, they're prepared to isolate Russia economically, the ruble is already going down. Russia has major economic challenges," Kerry said, as he also mentioned visa bans, asset freezes and trade isolation as possible steps.
Some great soundbites: we can't wait for the White House to release the obligatory photo op, which we assume would look somewhat different than this.
Russia's response?
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov declined to comment on Sunday when asked for a response to harsh words from U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who condemned Russia's "incredible act of aggression" in Ukraine. "No comment at the moment," Peskov said.
Just laughter.
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Waiting for the false flag event that's going to set this on fire...... while Western politicians blather on and on and do nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq5uOe7kzkI&feature=c4-overview&list=UU-Y8tHCwNCHYzGL8iw5IOXA
is predicting a car bomb at a pro-Russia rally.....
"Afterwards we will meet for crumpets and tea." ~ unSecretary General.
http://tinyurl.com/maaokfn
Is it me or does it look like this guy has been spending some time in the back room gettnig 'roughed' up.
Message: Please use the talking points we've given you John.
And next time we won't say please.
"U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday condemned Russia's "incredible act of aggression" in Ukraine and threatened "very serious repercussions" from the United States and other countries, ...."
Double Secret Probation.The good news is that the US government finally found a conflict it is interested in avoiding.
john kerry says "this hypocrisy MUST stop!!"
So the Obama and Kerry didn't have the moxie to get WW3 started from our side so the banksters have them punt the ball to Putin so he can be the instigator???
Somewhere a Rothschild rubs his hands together with an evil grin...
Russia will do a Blitzkreig, and this thing will be over before you know it. Barry will sit there wondering what happened.
WTF is wrong with Lurch's face? He was no prom date to start with but now?
Putin dick slapped him.
Look up the word "Hypocrite" in the dictionary...
you'll see this ugly fucker's visage.
John Kerry Slams "Incredible Act Of Aggression",
He must be talking about the Saudi/USSA's covert action in Syria, including giving insurgent mercs CW to use on Syrian civilians .... or perhaps the NATO/USSA's overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya .... or maybe Obama's Drone Assassination Campaign and Wedding Party Extermination in Yemen ....
Anyone else notice that the Tylers removed an entire thread of this comments section? There is an entire conversation from LTER missing now.
No I hadn't...what was being said?
I think it was akak that said the same thing last night, realizing it's someone elses house we're guests in, perhaps its time for the host to explain to the remaining guests why.
Certainly looks that way from the picture, why's he look so beat up? Is he on dialysis or something?
I think that is a stock photo from after his "ice hockey' accident which miraculously somehow changed his nose and droopy eyes and rounded out his jaw.
Wolfowitz chilling speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcxI5wpDueE
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wolfy warns the west point crowd, in advance,
of the new pearl harbor to come (9/11). " expect
surprises ".
he refers to 1913 and an analysis done then that
said there was not the bankers money available
for a european war, but the war did commence.
financed by credit! coincidentally, the year the federal
reserve became the central bank for the usa.
Name and look.
Wolfie allways remeinded me on half-way transformation from human to a beast in horror movies.
Reptiles lack the facial muscles to grin. Licking blood from their face sometimes makes it look like a smile, but it just licking up blood and nothing more.
He also says, "In the 21st century, you don't behave in 19th century fashion, invading another country on totally trumped up grounds."
He's upset Russia didn't have to blow up a few of its own towers before going to war.
Krrrie needs to rub some of that Herbalife on that bruise.
Incredible how he kept a straight (albeit long) face while saying that.
Did it ever occur to you that he might actually believe what he's saying? Scary ain't it?
What??!!? doesn't Ukraine have WMD's?
Of course they do. It's just in this case the US doesn't have the invoices.
But I bet Putin does... so why not use that excuse...
especialy after the coment that Mikhail Golovko gave ( http://rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/ )
then again... putin doesn't need bullshit reasons.
Turns out Ukraines' WMDs were sent across the border to Russia some years ago, but everyone knows they used to have them, and were dedicated to obtaining the very worst WMDs in order to menace their neighbors and whirled peas.
Is that anything like invading another country on trumped up accusations of "weapons of mass destruction" because we were attacked by terrorists? Hmmm. The hypocrisy.
i wonder what percentage of this world believes its own doublespeak?
this is like living with an adult, that is really a child, that keeps changing the rules to justify its actions.
TEXAS, you better watch your ass. not fucking kidding. Mexico might just decide to take it back. or for that matter, ALL LANDS inhabited by native speaking, mexican passport holding type persons that come close to dominating the lower border states in terms of population. Mexican fredom-fighters with Russian tanks and Chinese weapons, in downtown Austin.
How about sticking your nose into a sovereign country based on dubious intelligence and giving weapons to those who are trying to topple the government no hypocrisy there (sarc)
New analysis of rocket used in Syria chemical attack undercuts U.S. claimsYou mean like Libya?
Putin is acting like an idiot. Everyone knows you only invade a sovereign nation after putting together a coalition and then only if no one signs up for your coalition do you invade alone. A few weeks and he could have had Dagestan and maybe Mongolia on board and could have done this thing right. Maybe I'm being harsh, maybe I shouldn't say he's an idiot but certainly he's diplomatically challenged.
Kerry will assemble a coalition of the whining.
its not his first poker game. watch him whip out a secret agreement....involving a secret player.
hmmm, thinking about the intro to Red Dawn. bad russian wheat harvest leads to NATO crumbling.
will NATO cease to exist if its shown there will be no support from other members?
HEADLINE NEWS. US secretary of state says:
"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text,"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
He neglected to add, "That's OUR job."
Who gave him that black eye, by the way? Whoever it was, I'd like to buy him a drink.
Nah, a sharp rap on the knuckles by sister Mary Elizabeth...
Its still all about Obama's politics. Kerry was made available to all the major networks but one. Can you guess to whom they said no? Did they remember how their lying bag o shit Rice got lampooned for lying to Americans on the Sunday talk circuit? Fox seemed to be the only network troubled by her blatant lies, but I'm sure it was all partisanship. When they stop Kerry from appearing in a forum where they might accidentally ask the wrong question, you KNOW they are hiding something.
Yup. Welcome to Benghazi part three. Rice was all over the networks blaming Benghazi over an anti-Muslim film whose producer they threw into jail for over a year, long after the WH denied Rice's claims. Then they denied it all. The WH will make sure Kerry has 'safe passage' because even they know he's a moron.
These morons do not know that is what they are. It is what makes this so utterly hilarious and evil. When progressives kill millions; never saw it comming and never understand responsibilty.
late to the party. before this situation went tits-up, i almost suggested we find that femal reporter and have her casually ask Kerry what could the Russians do to fix this problem.
Somebody never learnt about flogging dead horses.
kerry is not dead
edit:he does looked flogged though
John Kerry walks into a bar .... face first, repeatedly.
He looks like somebody who just finished bashing his face into a different shape...
Hulk The Horse ?
Right. Dont make me angry You would like me even less when I'm angry.
Skull and Bones initiation rite,
reminder,
lying in a coffin,
secret hand signals.
The Rothchild's want their money back on this clown outfit in DC. Probably try to get France to lead the bankster cabal next, might be more effective.
He kinda looks like Lebowski...
"..it really tied the room togather"
Naaa Putin gave Kerry a slap or two.
I mourn my once great country. The one that might have helped instead of the one that props up President Pansy Ass.
FORWARD SOVIET!
FORWARD TO THE CRIMEA, THEN, THE WORLD!
these words still ring true...even today..."over there."
Is the Secretary of State promoting dialogue? Or "provoking"?
Again...this ain't disabledvet "smack talking" anymore.
These are heads of State...maybe we need to cool our heads too.
Hard to tell now that all the diplomatic cables are...oh, wait i forgot.
Those were "revealed."
Hmmm. "Communication breakdown."
Suddenly these matters are handled "in plain sight of everybody."
Not very "diplomatic."
As Stalin said "how man divisions has he"?
How many divisions does the Pope have to fight for him?
Undoubtedly there were many Catholics in the German army,
German Catholics, Austrian Catholics, etcetera.
Still too few to defeat Stalin.
it's only some leftover Heinz Catsup/Ketchup/whatever after he missed his horse mouth and punched himself in the eye with a Nathans weiner/hotdog/whatever...............(hint,Heinz)
and threatened "very serious repercussions"
Yup, you heard me, now get yer shit sorted or I will come over with my 1911 n tin hat and do it for yez.....Got it?
Windsurfing season can't come soon enough
At least Putin had the temerity to actually ask his lawmakers for justification and permission BEFORE he went into Ukraine.
What has KerryBarry done??
JAWBONE-
In truth Putin did have his special forces infiltrate and nuetralize the key choke points before getting permission but premature infiltration is a common affliction for world leaders.
premature infiltration
+100
There will be no fire... Here's what will happen.
Remember the coup was staged by the CIA. Now, making ukrainian army to actually fight their brothers in Russia is an entirely different story. What most likely will happen is mass surrender with possible occasional outbursts of fire. At that point, everyone will see where the people of Ukraine stand on this, and the CIA's cover-up about "freedoms" and "free choices" and other bullshit will be exposed.
Why the Ukraine transitional government is screaming so loudly? because they know they will end up in a ditch somewhere soon enough with no US troops to protect them.
Very true. Declaring wars is the easy part. Fighting them on the other hand...
NATO troops went into Afghanistan after 9-11,
and the leaders of those NATO nations probably knew 9-11 was a false flag attack.
NATO is part of the NWO conspiracy.
So maybe NATO will go into Ukraine.
Which insolvent nation(s) might that be?
Yep, the biggest problem was the coup plotters only had part of the seige mentality correct. The seige was easy to pull off in a single capital city... Kiev. But the real power (financial, economic, and military) in Ukraine is in the South and East, all influenced by Russia. The coup plotters are about to be on the recieving end of the next seige.
its not like can they say "we think obama lacks the stones to do anything but bluster". hence, "no comment".
Thank God we've got this UNIT on the case. Oh, and Obama may even attend one of these intelligence briefings eventually, so American interests are in very good hands! Nothing to worry about here...
when the going gets tough, Kerry gets botox....then goes windsurfing.
What happened to Kerry's face? Did he get hit by his surfboard again?
Teresa just reminded him who was Boss...
Maybe someone else had to remind him who was boss.
Looks like a couple of balls to the face.
LOL. Thank you!
Ditto.
Vlad's titanium rocks singing this lullaby to John and President Remus during the "ball-slapping-to-chin and tea bagging festivities!
wow, really? i guess fudge-packed double-stuffed oreo, was too much to type. the only thing worse than a racist, is a lazy racist.
Probably Tyler's way of a joke, posting an old photo of Lurch after his face lift...
Oh, don't you think his facelift looks great! Nice, smart little wig he's got too. And those shoes he's been wearing! Those just scream power!
Went hunting ... with Dick ... it happens.
Yes, driving with a Kennedy is much safer ;-)
Or flying with one ... same lol
... or skiing with one... ;-)
Looney
Kerry's left eye area looks very like Bush's 'pretzel' incident, or more likely the aftermath of a sordid Skull and Bones meeting
Bush pretzel face
http://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/07/7-famous-food-moments/000254-003...
I don't know, but it's too bad the title "War Horse" is already taken. Would have been the perfect title for his biography.
How about "War Whore"?
Generic Book Titles cannot be copyrighted?
Still usable?
Someone should tell Kerry the plastic surgery isn't working.
Seriously? Both Kerry and Obama have hundreds of 'yes men' trailing after them smiling vapidly and shouting how great they look.
Serious screw up there. O'Fuck-up and FrankenKerry have already lost Western Ukraine to the neo-nazzi's.
When all else fails whip out the tired old "they're neo-Nazis" meme- it works for the MSM
If only they'd look up the term: nationalist socialist describes lots of acfual regimes and parties around this planet, not just fringe weirdos.
From Born on the Bayou to Duck Dynasty, its been a long strange trip
Perfect, Will. That's how most of the world views Kerry except our completely unbiased and non-propaganda MSM.
"Wanna see my Walnetto?"
Let's look at this. US-EUROfags decide to destabilize Ukraine with neo-nazi's. They decide to do it during the olympics to embarrass Putin. Obama, still butthurt because of Snowden and Putin exposing him for the limp wristed pussy he is in Syria. So we put together this plan, a really stupid plan to overthrow an elected government.
Now let's imagine, a Ron Paul revolutionary squad marches into DC and starts burning buildings and shit. Remember you have a president is now under 50% popular with the people.(except the media faggots). So the Paul squad overthrows Obama. Would the US media call that a legitmate government?
Fuck You Obama- Fuck you Neocons. I'm not a Putin fan but I hope he kicks your fucking ass and exposes the morally bankrupt corrupt pricks you all are.
"The United States condemns Russia’s military intervention into Ukrainian territory."
Russian forces in Ukraine are at the request of the legitimate authorities of Ukraine. I mean legitimate and democratically elected President of Ukraine - Yanukovych.
U.S. conducts a dialogue with criminals impostors who committed an armed coup government. They carried out the coup on instructions from Washington. But that does not make the power of the law, constitutional and legitimate.
"just laughter" indeed... remains to see who laughs last
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"incredible act of aggression" in Ukraine and threatened "very serious repercussions"
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Putin: "Let's dance!"
lipzgreig!!
"Ukraine asks for protection of NATO"
More correctly: Ukrainian criminal rebels
asks for protection of NATO
VIDEO - "Peaceful protests" of true democracy or as criminals rebels made in USA coup in Kiev:
http://rutube.ru/video/eec8383cec287220988301ae9e31d0ce/
I do not understand why no one talks about that Putin protects the legitimate interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people? I think that the whole world has gone mad! How the rebels, that illegally seized power in Kiev, can called as "Ukraine"? And how they can call as the "rebels", east of Ukraine, that remained loyal to the Constitution and the legitimate president of the country?
This is a full Insanity pseudodemocracy of US!
Was it reminiscent of Jenghis Khan there katsup boy?
Kerry has 2 black eyes, did he fall down after a drunken stupor?
Kerry has 2 black eyes, did he fall down after a drunken stupor?
Kerry looks like he got beaten up in a barroom brawl! Easy on the boilermakers.
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Let's not forget that John Kerry began his carreer as a traitor to the U.S., giving highly publicized aid and comfort to the enemy. I was fighting in Viet Nam <--[old timey spelling] when Kerry and Hanoi Jane played kissy-face with the North, posing for pics with the people who were trying to kill as many Americans as possible. I still cannot believe that Kerry and Fonda were not charged with treason.
How did this despicable horse's ass ever rise to Senator, then to Sec'y of State?? Were there not any patriotic Democrats available?
I would like to hear the Democrat Party's answer to that question.
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Talk about being late to the party.
Putin better watch out. Kerry might start pointing his finger.
If Putin doesn't back off, Kerry will remove him from Friends on Facebook. And there will be no more Likes. The 'Like' crisis of 2014
"The United States condemns Russia’s military intervention into Ukrainian territory."
Russian forces in Ukraine are at the request of the legitimate authorities of Ukraine. I mean legitimate and democratically elected President of Ukraine - Yanukovych.
U.S. conducts a dialogue with criminals impostors who committed an armed coup government. They carried out the coup on instructions from Washington. But that does not make the power of the law, constitutional and legitimate.
I must break you.
Iraq ... Afghanistan ... Panama ... Somalia ... way too many central and South American states to remember ... Vietnam ... Cambodia ... Laos ... Cuba ... oh god ... too many ... have to stop now
He said 21st century though, not 20th. And Russia failed to find a coalition of lapdogs to pretend it was a good idea.
Yeah, I noticed that, I'm a bit rusty on 19th century US wars, but I think Cuba (again), Philippines etc fit that time window ... I think the 'point' was it's sorta OK for Colonial era imperialists, not OK for 21st century imperialists ... not Russian ones anyway, but Iraq and Afghanistan still fit the profile, and Albania went pretty close, but arguable, but Libya was definitely in there, and Syria almost made the list ... maybe next year.
Don't forget that the US first invaded Korea in the 19th century.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/03/05/north-korea-and-the-united-states-wil...
I had not even heard of that one, so I looked up Wiki for a list of US Wars and it wasn't even on it. But the Boxer Rebellion fits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
Oh yeah, Yemen fits too.
I wonder what Kerry would have said if Putin had Germany's prime minister's plane brought down under the auspices of hunting for a spy like Obama had done to the Bolivian's president's plane? Oh the anti-Putin headlines that would have shook the Western MSM, but since it was Obama our peace prize president, it was mentioned as an afterthought.
It just occurred to me that Johno may be angling to pick up a Nobel here, but the ultimate slap-down would be if Putin got it instead. If Putin can take all of Ukraine quickly and then makes an agreement with France, Italy and Germany to take Romania back, then he just might get one, as the reward. :D
i have to wonder is this isnt just a big territory swap. what did/will the Russians give up in return?
And we also started relations with Japan with a GREAT start in 1853:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_C._Perry#Threat_of_force_and_negot...
You forgot the 19th century genocide/holocaust/starvation policies towards Native Americans, or wa-wa Indians if you prefer.
Maybe the point was that in the 21st Century, you don't actually invade your imperial holdings. You chain them to ruinous financial terms, force the government in place to impoverish their people to pay the banks, and assassinate anybody who speaks up. And you find the worst, most violent and unreasonable group in the place, arm them to the teeth, and turn them loose to show the government they can be replaced, by people who will immediately kill them and their families.
To swmnguy: If I could give you 100 up clicks, I would.
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You mean a Coalition of the Shilling?
...and no mention of all the countries that have signed petitions calling for sanctions against the US for their belligerent treatment of nations that are supposedly their allies and the US strangling of Cuba [the sanctions have increased under Obama] over decades.
+1 Element, the hypocrisy of the US gov't on display once again.
Oh, and all the false-flags and coups RS, must not leave those out ...
Cuba is free to trade with the other 96% of the planet's humans, and it is the USA's fault that Cuba doesn't? Er no, it's because communism made them a basket case that produces hardly anything the rest of the world would want to pay for.
I'm not sure which is worse, the blatant hypocrisy or the near certainty that they aren't even aware of it.
Oh, they absolutely know, this is professional propaganda, but directed at the sort of population that when Saudis (allegedly) attack US, the US bombs and invades Iraq instead. Just war! See how that works? Me neither, nevertheless, we can't deny that it worked (past tense).
You wanted us to bomb our own oil fields?
"Milo Minderbinder made a deal with the Germans..."
I'm certain they are aware of it - but they know with absolute certainty that the morons that voted for them could never be.
... Grenada we invaded to protect American students in some medical school and then there's the Dominican Republic, where a huge threat was neutralized, but not before the locals made some coin selling cokes to the troops as they came off the landing crafts.
Yeah but I think there was this menacing homeless guy with a hypodermic syringe and looking at them funny, so it was really a justified invasion. Go Gunny!
..."Iraq ... Afghanistan ... Panama ... Somalia ... way too many central and South American states to remember ... Vietnam ... Cambodia ... Laos ... Cuba ... oh god ... too many ... have to stop now"...
The short version please ...
.... just those that have NOT yet been "Borged"
U.S. to implement the intervention in Iraq, Libya and even the invasion of Grenada in 1983 the UN Security Council decision ignored.
During the period from 1798 to 2002, the United States used military force abroad 238 times.
When U.S. speaks about sovereignty, it reminds humor show.
"Incredible," Mr. Kerry, is your and your masters' arrogance. Sit down, pantomime character.
I'll tell you what nato should do. Invade Iran through our illegal invasion of Afghanistan. Then roll in through the back door of Georgia and kick their asses with the drones we use to bomb wedding parties in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and everywhere else. We could use the weapons that we use to prop up Saudi Arabia but to overthrow Egypt and Libya. After that we could turn around and start kicking China's ass too. [/sarc]
If you want to do any of the above, the first thing the US will have to do is to reinstate the draft, because there will be a huge need for troops on the ground. Good luck with that one and the ensuing rebelion this will ignite in the US. Thet's the main reson the US is impotent right now, the US army is stretched to thin, and everybody knows it. Well, that and being bankrupt.
fucking a, a draft is a great idea. Then we could send a bunch of troops in through Iraq, which we white phosphorused and depleted ukraniumed into submission for their own good. i hope they have yellowcake for dessert, neocons love that shit. Later yellen could bomb them from high altitude with pallets of clownbux. [/sarc]
Yellen will pole dance naked, live in case of war. It's our secret weapon against the Russians. Either that or the Madeleine Albright strip show. Pentagon hasn't decided yet.
DEAR GOD MAN! ARE YOU INSANE?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Madeleine_Albright_at...
What if that spread over here? We'd all be doomed.
You forgot their super secret weapon, Helen Thomas in a bondage outfit with whip.
Scary stuff
you mean the Russians didnt respect our years of bowing to dictators and apologetic foreign policy? what about the Nobel Peace Prize? what about all that "second term 'flexibility'"? did that put this action entirely on obama's narrow shoulders?
John, your liberal pals projecting weakness put you in this position. Cant say you were not forewarned. (hattip: sarah palin)
Hillary took the reset button with her. What was Kerry supposed to do without the reset button. The problem will be solved in January 2017 when she brings it back.
LOLOL, but the only problem is, she's dead, and thus can only be used for shots across the bow.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/lopper543/Helen-Thomas-smiles.jpg
the draft is a fine idea
unemployment rate drops to zero
all hail the TOTUS
"National Service" in the USA: it's not really involuntary servitude, it's"collective voluntarism", exatly what made America great in the first place!
Actually, I'd love to see this, or any future, US administration attempt to set up involuntary national service. Go ahead, Hillary... Go ahead Jeb.... make my day.
Plus Secretary Bagel is going to draw it down further...er, streamline it, into an elite fighting force.
Frankenstein speaks !
Kerry , Obama and Putin all believe in the say thing.. Why the show?