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Memo to Obama: This Was Their Red Line!
Submitted by David Stockman, via his new blog Contra Corner
Memo to Obama: This Was Their Red Line!
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In 1783 the Crimea was annexed by Catherine the Great, thereby satisfying the longstanding quest of the Russian Czars for a warm-water port. In fact, over the ages Sevastopol emerged as a great naval base at the strategic tip of the Crimean peninsula, where it became home to the mighty Black Sea Fleet of the Czars and then the commissars.
For the next 171 years Crimea was an integral part of Russia—a span that exceeds the 166 years that have elapsed since California was annexed by a similar thrust of “Manifest Destiny” on this continent, thereby providing, incidentally, the United States Navy with its own warm-water port in San Diego. While no foreign forces subsequently invaded the California coasts, it was most definitely not Ukrainian and Polish riffles, artillery and blood which famously annihilated The Charge Of The Light Brigade at the Crimean city of Balaclava in 1854; they were Russians defending the homeland.
And the portrait of the Russian ”hero” hanging in Putin’s office is that of Czar Nicholas I—whose brutal 30-year reign brought the Russian Empire to its historical zenith, and who was revered in Russian hagiography as the defender of Crimea, even as he lost the 1850s war to the Ottomans and Europeans. Besides that, there is no evidence that Putin does historical apologies, anyway.
In fact, its their Red Line. When the enfeebled Franklin Roosevelt made port in the Crimean city of Yalta in February 1945 he did know he was in Soviet Russia. Maneuvering to cement his control of the Kremlin in the intrigue-ridden struggle for succession after Stalin’s death a few years later, Nikita Khrushchev allegedly spent 15 minutes reviewing his “gift” of Crimea to his subalterns in Kiev in honor of the decision by their ancestors 300 years earlier to accept the inevitable and become a vassal of Russia.
Self-evidently, during the long decades of the Cold War, the West did nothing to liberate the “captive nation” of the Ukraine—with or without the Crimean appendage bestowed upon it in 1954. Nor did it draw any red lines in the mid-1990?s when a financially desperate Ukraine rented back Sevastopol and the strategic redoubts of the Crimea to an equally pauperized Russia.
In short, in the era before we got our Pacific port in 1848 and in the 166-year interval since then, the security and safety of the American people have depended not one wit on the status of the Russian-speaking Crimea. Should the local population now choose fealty to the Grand Thief in Moscow over the ruffians and rabble who have seized Kiev, what’s to matter! Worse still, how long can America survive the screeching sanctimony and mindless meddling of Susan Rice and Samantha Power? Mr. President, send them back to geography class; don’t draw any new Red Lines. This one has been morphing for centuries among the quarreling tribes, peoples, potentates, Patriarchs and pretenders of a small region that is none of our damn business.
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Yeoman's work David, but he's too busy taking selfies and posting tl;dr
Here I thought the post would be about their red line being "Don't screw around in our backyard or else" Who could have thought they'd get irritated with our manuevers?
Could ya make the map any, um, smaller?
Not sure why anyone is surprised. He sOld everyone else out.
For J. McCain and L. Graham, everything is our business. Sick of it, personally. They could find "national interest" in a Popsicle stand in the middle of the Sahara. Let the rest of Europe, who are dependent upon the Russian natural gas, figger it out themselves. Get the French Foreign Legion up and running for full employment.
They refer to Russia invading a "sovereign country" right at their own border. Hell, we went half way around the world to do just that. And now look at the place we left. Ravaged, bereft of national pride, and prey for the next round of invaders. I think we just softened up the place for Iran. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot....
Yeah, but Ogolfer has a positive legacy to build, and he's only got 3 years left to get 'er done.
Large map: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/12/Ethnolingus...
Describing San Diego in light of the Crimea is a poor comparison. All of the Pacific on the west coast is a warm water port. Go back to school and learn history.
And San Diego is a part of the state of California. Maybe you've heard of it? It was the first state in the USA that touched the Pacific Ocean. In 1850. Maybe YOU should go back to school and learn history.
are you sure that's not a map of the LA County School district with all that ethnic shit all over the place?
--Mr Kerry had previously accused Russia of an "incredible act of aggression", saying: "You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on a completely trumped-up pretext."--
- John Kerry once again publicly illustrating the hypocrisy and ignorance of his own belief system.
J. McCain and L. Graham, everything is our business.
In the name of progress.....we'll give you them if you hand us Pelosi and Reid.....deal?
If you play your cards right...we might even defund the GOP...you're welcome.
@OM- +1 trillion
If you are wondering where some of that 5 Billion dollars the US gave for funding "democracy" in the Ukraine, here is a group of western Ukrainians that came to eastern Ukraine, storming the local government buildings. They were getting paid money to do it, they said. After they gave their speech on the stage, the crowd grabbed them and beat the shit out of them. They claim to be members of various far-right groups, including Red Sector which is pro-EU and violent in their nationalism.
Crimea is worth more than a thousand red lines...see why the Poles in Kiev are crying right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCt03sFdvg
This is not directed at you. I am just wondering how "pro-EU" and "violent in nationalism" can coexist in one faction.
This is no issue for an 'american' inspired faction.
All 'americans' take their model from the US building.
That shows the use of a two level authority system.
All those 'americans' in Ukraine have no issue considering their own turf as a region of Europe which is tied to to the bigger set by a central authority.
This is how 'american' societies work.
They also probably suscribe to the big white people tribe 'american' narrative, meaning they are willing to social engineer an european people construction based on race, just as the 'americans' did in the US.
You are a greatest Rhodes(side-shitting) scholar of all things blobbing up and Americancitizenism. Thank you for your wisest word-like ramblingnations.
Dr. LivingstAnAnonymous, I presume.
Really--it would be as if Al-Quaeda were really the creature of Mossad and CIA...oh, wait.
These are the Ultra-nationalists (most of them in their late teens, early 20's) that had taken over the regional government building in pro-Russian Karkov region. They had sickles, knives, bulletproof vests and clubs with them. They also had guns and bullets. They are all asking for forgiveness for hurting people and for spilling blood. Most of them have been put thru the meat grinder, but most of them have also been treated by medics because green stuff on their face is an antibiotic solution that they use on cuts. The future is not looking very good for the tattooed guy at 7:39. He is being accused of shooting at crowd because they found weapons and bullets in his bag. He is saying it is not his, he just found them. The guys at 9:00 and 9:50 are members or are associated with ultra-nationalis party "pervey sector" because they found the red and black flag in their possession. Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c94_1393810629#mL65ZA4PbSsZABzm.99
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c94_1393810629
Yeah good find SUNAJ this stuff doesnt make it on western TV to show what a bunch of POS these scums are shooting into the people. No surprise the Berkut riot police shot back. But western media didnt show you these thugs shooting in that incident.
Thank you both, SunaJ and Independent, for the links, insight, and clarity. These are in short supply throughout Western corporate media.
I would be willing to bet there are a fair number of former Soviet Satellites living in the shadow of the Bear, all taking notes on the US/EU/NATO response. Each knows that any of them could be the next made to toe the line. Each one has to know that in terms of U.S. national interests, they really don't have anything worth our going to war over. The centuries long drawing and redrawing of international borders will go on for centuries into the future.
It looks to me as if the crowds in the video were more than willing and plenty capable of handling internally a handful of lawbreakers.
I think the U.S. should just stop meddling, and focus inward a bit. Georgia Republic, Syria, Ukraine... Do we have any credibility at this point?
Those countries don't have to fear an invasion from the Russian bear if they don't provoke it, IMHO. Georgia, Serbia and now Ukraine were indeed provocations. The Russians did NOT start the trouble.
OMG 3 more years!
Don't do the crime.....if you can't pay the time.
They are NWO like Obama. Drudge had a picture of McCain with Soros in Davos about 6 weeks ago.
Exactly RR; strange how "our" .gov literally wants to be in charge of EVERY bit of minutia in our lives, as well as be in charge of what goes on in every corner of the globe.
Demoncrap, Rethuglican - doesn't matter.
Eventually those who maintain their power only by their privilege of birth, contacts and the sharing / manipulating of Dark Secrets will get a solid punch in the nose; it's only a matter of time.
Perhaps it comes this year from Russia and China. And the common folk will suffer, and die.
It's sickening to watch the dregs of America strut and sqwauk and know they are going to run this shitshow right into the mountain.
Obama? H. Clinton? Biden? Graft, corruption, stupidity. And these creatures are leading "The World's Most Indispensable Nation (tm)?
GTFO. Rig for impact.
Bigger effing map HERE:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09/this-one-ma...
Yeah I'm sure Wa-Po has that one down "accurately"
My understanding is that the plan from Vicky Nuland's office "was" going to place a Ministry of Information in Kiev headed by Mossad and Svoboda party members and that Jeff Bezos will be instrumental in installing the "cloud" for the new bureau of the Washington Post that will run inside the Ministry of Info.
Think those plans are kinda off the table for the time being.
... suggest to take that up with the auhor of this piece, since he posted/included it, not me.
Secondly, how do you know who 'sourced' it in the first place? Seems to me an awful lot of 'assuming' is going on around here ...
PS Map shows to be from Wikimedia Commons; take it up with them.
Forgot my /sarc tag...
Just having some fun!
S'am I ... where would we be if not here, knockng each other around? ALL in fun ...
... fight club...???
Liar's poker ...
I gotta admit, there are an awful lot of pasty-looking-white-people in that other picture on the WaPo. I'm not saying anyone looks like vampire material, but hey, it hits pretty close to home.
Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missiles heading to the Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68srzQs7PQ#t=0
This is the A Team shit none of this S300 stuff. Anyone who thinks Russia is a paper tiger - these boys are moving these at night and they got a bunch of them. Trucj after truck after truck. Good luck flying any of that F-22, F-18, F-15 or that piece of sh*t F-35.
Like they'd waste a missile on an F35.
Biggest map:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/12/Ethnolingus...
Of course, Pravda on the Potomac wouldn't include context, such as the names of the bordering countries. That might help the geographically-challenged realize that this little spat really isn't in our bailiwick.
Stand by for Rice and Power and Kerry to do a "Strategic Pivot" when they see that map.
Here you go...a larger image:
http://www.ditext.com/ukraine/ukraine.jpg
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Go to the link. http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Ethnoli...
Don't worry, Putin and Russia will retaliate for this second time of playing with their interest and especially their backyard.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/tibet-is-not-comfortable/
‘For God’s sake, do not drag me into another war!
I am worn down, and worn out, with crusading and defending Europe, and protecting mankind; I must think a little of myself.
I am sorry for the Spaniards – I am sorry for the Greeks – I deplore the fate of the Jews; the people of the Sandwich Islands are groaning under the most detestable tyranny; Baghdad is oppressed, I do not like the present state of the Delta; Tibet is not comfortable.
Am I to fight for all these people?
The world is bursting with sin and sorrow.
Am I to be champion of the Decalogue, and to be eternally raising fleets and armies to make all men good and happy?
We have just done saving Europe, and I am afraid the consequence will be, that we shall cut each other’s throats.
No war, dear Lady Grey! – No eloquence; but apathy, selfishness, common sense, arithmetic!
I beseech you, secure Lord Grey’s swords and pistols, as the housekeeper did Don Quixote’s armour. If there is another war, life will not be worth having.’
. . . ‘For God’s sake, do not drag me into another war!
I don't think that's going to happen; the bear has been fed and is happy now ... unless you start poking the goddamn bear!
(Watch Kerry now proceed to poke the effing bear.)
Kerry is not stupid. That said, neither was Colin Powell, and yet he made an absolute ass of himself in front of the UN. I am pretty sure it was not his idea to hang his dignity out for all the world to see. Kerry will also have to put on a dog and pony show and look just as special needs, pretty much making him "unelectable" in any future election. The only person truly happy that Kerry is secretary of state, is Hillary.
Kerry is not stupid? I think he's brain damaged and unable to distinguish between the theatrics of his stage role and reality; that's close enough to stupid for me. It's a damn shame to live in a country that has clowns for foreign service officials.
that's close enough to stupid for me
LMAO +10
Kerry is not stupid.
Cat's got a lifetime supply of ketchup.......I would say not.
"Kerry is not stupid"
I submit that it is possible to be narcissistic, devious, lucky and stupid all at the same time.
Nah, it's just that Heinz 57 sauce he's been choking down to make Teresa happy.. its making him feel frisky
DO NOT poke the bear! - Sam 'Stumpy' Snead.
Busy at home.
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/army-gives-out-500-000-armored-trucks-for...
give everyone a million dollars bitchez!
If you like your redline
you can keep it
Bitchez
US, don't be a bi$$$tc@$!h. Respect others' red lines...
.....
pipelines
Yea....WORD!
Talk of red lines, land in the sand, chip on my shoulder, and so on is indicative of the playground mentality of the bafoons we have as elected officials chosen for us by the powers that be.
Right, the only acceptable language must be in the form of sports lingo. Blocking and tackling, a hail mary, defend that line, quarterback sneak, throw the long ball, and that cry above all others; Support Our Troops.
There, match that.
Do the sports announcer guy watching a gay porno and you've got it!
Chink in the armour.
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/f921c8defcdb5fa4505c5207b...
Sorry
Ace Grovney interviews Bruiser LaRue...
The best Americans have left the US military and have never been replaced by equal capacity. That makes one suspicious of who the American military is now working for. And why did Obama build up an internal military force, the DHS, against America's own people?
Obviously the answer is that Washington DC intends to kill many many Americans.
I have family in the military. They assure me we are not YET at the point they will follow orders to fire on American citizens on American soil. They stress the "yet" part. The DHS.... no idea. They're unknown and untested in these areas. I suspect they would shoot on sight anyone who was labeled a "terrorist" by the administration, though.
If a local cop will kick in your door unannounced and blast you in your own living room, don't think the military won't. They don't know you, and you might be from another part of the country, let alone your kids and theirs going to the same schools.
Overall, I think that the "fire upon" debate was settled at Kent State, at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Your local federalized gun and badge thug also dispels the myth that they will not fire upon us, the American people, as they kill people just for living--Kelly Thomas, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyMuMJJ7jzg
Actually, the debate was settled long before all of that, during the prior Depression, in 1932, during the Bonus March.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/macarthur/peopleevents/pandeAMEX89.html
In the book "The Last of the Dough Boys", it describes the situation leading up to it well,
You are so correct. I forgot about that.
"Too much tyranny, for so little memory."
NoDebt
I hope your family in the military are able to keep away from the various 'medicinal' drugs and innoculations that some guys have claimed they were required to take and now suspect have affected their mood and behaviour. Others are seeking and taking med's on good faith and getting nice results.
If these guys brain-chemistry is being put at risk by 'medicinal' drugs there is potential for them to feel an exaggerated alienation from broader society - not a one of them woke up on their 13th birthday wanting in the future to fire on US women and children... doubt that's true of some of the sicko TPTB.
Also the My ELF Shooting isn't comforting. Military guys in every nation are, IMO, extremely vulnerable in a new way to being turned into something artificial as person that they really are not.
The military men I know from the Rhodesia war all seem to have been able to 'get on with life' despite some serious FU situations - more so than many of the servicemen I have met from the Aust services in the last decade or two.... perhaps because the war was on real home turf or perhaps because they weren't interfered with "medicinally"???
I'm just positing thoughts out of concern for all, not judgements.
http://www.menshealth.com/health/prescription-drugs-and-us-military#.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-militarys-prescripti...
http://www.infowars.com/mass-drugging-of-us-troops-an-underreported-scan...
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/my-elf-weapon-more-proof-navy-yard.html
That's the reason they're purging the officer class and flooding the forces with minorities, women, gays and foreigners.
"Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death"
Alfred, Lord Tennyson
Charge of the Light Brigade
Ukraine is just a side show and sneak preview of things to come in the east, in particular the disputed island in South China Sea. China is watching carefully and will follow the same playbook as Russia.
The Chinks will do no such thing because unlike the Ukraine which is absolutely none of our business, Japanese territory is a whole other matter.
We have a duty to defend them against the sino-locusts who are on the verge of attempting an annexing spree because they feel like they suddenly have four inch dicks and are unstoppable.
I think he's referring to Taiwan, not Japan?
I'm confused.....who are the chinks again?
GetZeeGole, this isn't a guy who built the railroads here. This is a guy...
We also have a duty to defend the borders of the Ukraine, since we agreed to this in 1994, in exchange for giving up their nukes.
If Ukraine had maintained its nuclear deterent then the DoucheWranglers at State would never have risked fucking with them. Five billion dollars? That's nothing to a career pseudo-intellectual leach, it's just a ledger entry. Credible nuclear deterent? = Sovereignity respected. Neo-cons, Poly sci professors, crypto marxists and assorted other tinpot nutjobs and bloviating bureaucrats will seek low hanging fruit elsewhere. Note to emerging nations and sovereign leadership everywhere... NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE PROMISED, NEVER, EVER, GIVE UP YOUR WMD DETERENT CAPABILITY.
"We"?!
If you are so worried about their borders you can go to Ukraine.
'we have a duty' shit is usually written by folks that are running the other way. my, my, a 4 inch dick something you've always wanted. lol
Excellent point
You might want to check out Ladbrokes, as they have Japan's "Self-Defense Force" as 5:3 favorites over China's military.
The Chinese protesters that trashed all the Japanese cars could fight Japan's "Self-Bukkake Forces" to a draw.
From RT News:
and Sen. Kerry voted for the invasion of Iraq.
Iraq had WMD. Powell showed us the maps.
I remember watching Powell on TV, absolutely not convince anyone, even himself. That was just plain sad to watch.
My Lai, Iran-Contra, WMDs -- Powell made an utter hash of every cover-up he was ever involved in. Simply not officer material at all! If he can't carry out a straightforward job of lying through his teeth about mass murder without ballsing it up, then really he has no business in government or in the military!
Putin should go to the UN and show the very same photos of "mobile labs," etc. and speak of "yellow-cake."
"No only is the shoe on the other foot, but its the wrong foot."
The paper-tiger is all wet.
What? The Winter Soldier!? Nooooooooooooooooo!
He said "you", not "I".
Touché.
That sums up US Policy very succinctly.
Do as I say, not as I do.
And if he knows about who did 9/11 (which I'm sure he does )he'd definitely be the guy you would want to "water board".
185 times that is!
I'd pick Cheney myself. Just cause waterboarding evil seems more satisfying than waterboarding jello.
Damn I would like to be in on that one
Yeah that is sooooooooooooooo 20th Century...Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan. Now, you just bomb or drone them...Libya, Mali, Pakistan, Yemen...
Now that's a headline you would expect to read on "The Onion".
What he said.
Putin Plays Chess, while obama plays golf.
obama expects Putin will give him a mulligan.
If you want to see Rice and Powers in action, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGr6qqdrps
About sums it up...
Must be "that time of the month"!
I can usually count on David Zstockman to speak truth to idiots.
Hear that, John Kerry?
don't ask me why we're "making it out business."
clearly we are.
I mean...at least in saying this "I have a grasp of reality."
And who wouldn't want to "hob-nob" with the Czars anyways?
I think the USA and Russia have much to talk about here.
We'll leave out the part where Citigroup had all that money stolen of course.
Or "who Targeted Target" or "who tapered what."
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
Of course President Obama is lovin' this.
FINALLY...the attention!
Phone's ringin' off the hook..."peace" blah-blee-blah, "war" blah-blee-blah.
I can't speak to what the girls are up to these days...
but the men...the REAL men...are clearly in Europe right now.
One look at Yahoo and how everyone(especially the girls) exclaims "but they are just boys"...as if wars are fought by men. Hahahaha. "Hollywood." Gotta love it. So far those "kids" have held their ground.
The Russian commanders I think are impressed.
Oh, and...any leader who is anybody reads history.
They might not read actual "books" of history...but they know the history well...to the point where even "leaders" are told what to do.
Technically we got our first Pacific ports in 1846 in the Oregon Country, though what is now Oregon was already firmly in US hands long before then. While not particularly warm they don't freeze over in the winter.
Worse still, how long can America survive the screeching sanctimony and mindless meddling of Susan Rice and Samantha Power? Mr. President, send them back to geography class; don’t draw any new Red Lines.
Well said indeed!
They'll soon claim it is all about a movie made insulting Putin's appearance a the US/Russia Women's hockey match
Russian Helicopters Swarm over Ukraine - powerful footage:
http://thenewsdoctors.com/russian-helicopters-swarm-over-ukraine/
Looks like Putin's going full-on Red Dawn in Ukraine.
WOLVERINES!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoM6IFiyRjE
Western Coup Attempt In Ukraine Behind Mess; Perspective Never Aired In US Mainstream Media — And A Warning Of What May Come
TND Media Context Review: By Eric Dubin
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=119584
It seems to me that Putin has no choice except the one he has boldly made.
What was he to do with the EU, NATO, and the US missile shield that was certain to be installed in the Ukraine?
I think he has been trapped by the checkmate he saw a few moves ahead----I don't know the man or have any idea of him except that he is an outdoorsman.
I can't imagine any true outdoorsman who would ever want to make the nuclear choice.
The odd thing is that the Ukrainian military agrees with not killing nor being killed by their friends----
It almost makes the case that the West forced a virtual coup on the new gov't. in the Ukraine as an 'unintended consequence' of their meddling if indeed they did.
I don't think that this will go anywhere other than a long boring month or two or three
Unless the West does something more stupid than their ineffective words would lead us to believe
Hopefully, obama is without a death wish
But then, he has already been usurped by the military over his Syria plan
I don't know a thing about this-----------just thinking aloud
Russia cannot & will not lose the Crimea & its naval base to NATO, end of story. And the consequence of western meddling is not unintended.
+ 1MM
"Russia cannot & will not lose the Crimea & its naval base to NATO, end of story."
+1000. In a nutshell. We wouldn't lose anything that close to us and important to our security either. Putin's response is entirely, 100% predictable. This does not say Putin is "right", "wrong", or neither. But he simply HAD to do this. It's historical imperative. The western elites should have known this. Assuming they did, then we're operating according to a long-planned next move. If they didn't know this, we are in truly dangerous waters, because they're morons. I can only hope our "elite" are not morons.
"It seems to me that Putin has no choice except the one he has boldly made."
It is correct Obama and neocons have forces Putin's hand. But who is Putin? He is a mobster, a thug, and a thief.
The history is repeating itself. Back in the middle of the XX century, Europe had a choice between Hitler and Stalin. Some choice! Just ask Ukrainian people whether they like more Hitler who killed ~5 millions of Ukrainians or Stalin who killed ~10+ millions of Ukrainians.
The consequences of the Putin move is that the world is moving fast to the WWIII and the US geopolitical status as a single superpower was put under a question with very negative consequences for the US economy and US$ as a reserve currency. It also opened a door wide open for China to explore their national interests by invading other country. The world order is irreversibly broken.
caconhma,
With all due respect, I don't know anything about Putin----not a thing.
I do believe, however, without this move-----room to move---time to move---he would have been boxed into a 'neocon' trap. I also believe that the world would be a much more dangerous place as the result.
It seems, to me, that he is a chessplayer and not a lunatic with a death wish for the planet.
I'm an oldman, and I've seen this film several times on an equal or lesser scale. For me, this is a bit different---a new twist that I am curious about: the Ukranian military has enough faith in Putin and the Russians integrity to crossover without unnecessary mutual destruction. I think that this is an example of why there doesn't have to be war as a final response.
I do not believe that WWWIII will be the result.
It may be a new way of war----one side buys the other sides military----no muss no fuss.
No drones needed, no NSA spying on every citizen's every bowel movement, no mutual destruction need apply
Yeah, dreamy and hopeful for a self-destructive species, but there are----always---
Unintended consequences
And I hope that these are among them becaus war is too outdated a consequence to even consider.
Keep the faith and never forget the US military coup of 1963 that took the life of JFK and then five years later the life of his brother.
And remember that Carter was the only US president who won without war-----and how he was crucified by the repubs for that just to win the presidency-----and how the MIC has done such a bad job of managing the state corporation that came of the coup.
Thanks for your post, it was thoughtful
this oldman is a different type of patriot than the norm----still waiting for justice still dreaming
LewietheParrot - Your point abput buying militaries as a newer form of war rings true. A friend of mine was a journalist in Desert Storm. There was a shit ton of violence and the Iraqi military obliterated.
He went back in 2004 just as an imbedded journalist. I asked him how we won. He said "we bought them off with pallet fulls of cash." I thought he was joking but he assured me he wasn't.
A revolution has started but it is with money and the US government sanctioned it by declaring corporations people.
As for Putin, I agree he doesn't seem to want war. However, the West has been poking that bear for a long time now. I think Putin as more constraint then I would have. Anyways, if 1/3 of the people on earth are killed in the next several years we'll know why.
Patton wanted to collect up the remnants of the German Army and kick the Russians back to their natural borders but then he met an "untimely" death.
Didn't Patton say they were fighting the wrong enemy?
"If what we are doing to Germany is liberty, give me death."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YmLRkupr1g
A young Patton also led tanks against American veterans in the bonus army in Washington DC. Patton, McCarthus, and Ike were inolved. They had no shame.
One senior military member backed the bonus army.
When did one of the Tylers move to Lubyanka?
ZH has become a mouthpiece for Russian foreign policy and RT.
Being an oligarch cock sucker is only good if the cock is not American, eh Tyler?
The bias in the comment threads is now in the editorial content.
Not good, very not good.
Article by David Stockman.
Is history biased?
ZH has become a mouthpiece for Russian foreign policy and RT.
Beats sucking up to MSNBC and CNBC......just sayin.
So basically you support American marxism but not Russian marxism?
While the love for Putin is pretty sickening, in this case they do have a point. Hard to see how a successful riot in Kiev suddenly means other parts of the country have to pledge allegiance to the rioters. It would be like rioters in DC taking over the federal government buildings and then claiming authority over Hawaii.
One thing that's for certain is that the impulsive petulence and tone-deafness of BO and his administration is just astounding. The Bush administration looked like bumbling fools w.r.t. foreign policy at the time, but now he's making them look almost competent. Standard operating procedure in these situations is to stand back and express concern and urge all sides to practice restraint, etc... something even GWB did during Israel's Lebanon incursion in 2004 and the Georgia-Russia mess in 2005. But BO and Kerry can't keep their mouths under control.
The 'world' did not fall apart under Bush I or II ... would tend to agree on the other part though ...
This really made me laugh. Nothing happens particularly fast in Hawai'i. The people smoking weed at Magic Sands have been there for years and will be there until they die. Hawai'i could be annexed and just not give a shit for the most part.
No, it would more like Hawaiians rioting in Hawaii, taking over the federal government buildings and then claiming authority over Hawaii. The Russian Navy then calling the new interim Hawaiian government a 'valued partner' and docking warships in Pearl Harbour.
Well, Hawaii's not the US capital, so I don't think that works either. There won't be any perfect analogies because no US state has dual loyalties to another country (though CA is getting close). I chose Hawaii just because it's far away from Washington and used to be independent.
So what? The analogy with Ukraine is valid.
Fucking trolls keep worming their asses into these threads. Back to Langley with you!
Edit: speaking of Leracontoure or whatever...
Also probably Foggy Bottom shills (State Dept) but they are the same people as Langley.
Jesus Obama, just stay out of eastern Europe and focus on what really matters - the east/south China sea.
Ignore that dumb cunt Palin while you're at it, she'd like you to go to war against Russia just to show them who's boss.
"from my front porch, I can see Russia!"
And she predicted the invasion in 2008.
Indeed, she saw Russia and an expanionist Putin from a long way away.
Question is, why didn't Obama?
"from my front porch, I can see Russia!"
I'll take sentences Sarah Palin never actually said for a 1000 Alex.
I feel blessed to live in a nation where newsrooms can make up any crap they want.
Protecting one's borders is not expansionism. Not to mention that in both the case of Georgia '08 and Ukraine '13-'14 it was fascistic, Western backed regimes that made threatening moves against Russia. Do not walk up to the bear's den and poke a stick inside!
Palin's knowledge of Russia comes from the national Enquirer and equivalents.
Bill Mahr, you woman-beating twat, is that you?
Time to bring back CAPTCHA....either that or nuke the site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
The USA easily invaded Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. Look at the results and consequences!
Do you expect corrupt zionist-puppet Putin will do any better?
Yes.
zionist puppet????
I thought Obama was the Zionist puppet ... I confused
Love the last sentence.
David Stockman on target once again.
Anything not red Russia will not let go; and likely none of Ukraine - and never to NATO.
p.s. - Higher resolution of the map with the article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/12/Ethnolingus...
Yeah, lets get another war going before the economic collpase.
It has happened before and will happen again.
If and when Emerging Markets collapse (now?) they will all choose sides, or be forced to choose sides.
China, Russia, EU, US. Choose a sugar Daddy. Then the Global Debt Reset.
but the neo-nazis want their own, another, homeland too,
is that so wrong?
It's refreshing to see David Stockman out with a new blog and writing in real-time. The mainstream media is such a wasteland of propaganda that really shows its true colors in times like these. This has been a US/NATO created crisis to a large extent. There were tensions and historical cultural conditions that the West exploited, like whacking a bee hive in hopes of stirring things up. And has been the pattern in the last decade and beyond, the US has frequently made the worst of bedfellows to get that objective done, from radical right-wing nuts in Western Ukraine taking money directly from the US to support the protests that tore Ukrain appart in the last few months, to arming radical al qaeda fighters to infiltrate Syria. Still, the mainstream media spins, and great many Americans slumber. But at least on Zero Hedge, and on sites like TheNewsDoctors.com (where I try to highlight news beyond US State Department talking points), the word is getting out.
I guess it's comforting that the mainstream media now polls at a mid 30% rate for "trustability." People are waking up. Hope the world doesn't blow up before enough folks demand change.
In the meantime: John Kerry tells Russia 'you don't invade a country on completely phony pretexts'