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The Phone Call
The phone-calls are flying. On the heels of yesterday's Obama-Putin "discussion", today has seen Merkel drop him a line (with the resultant claim that Putin has accepted a "fact-finding mission" despite all evidence to the contrary); and then Merkel, Obama, and Cameron got on a party-line to discuss "sanctions". In the face of this seriousness, we suspect, however, any of the calls to Putin all had a similar dialogue...
h/t @SooperMexican and @LibertyBlitz
Lots of "Calls" in the last 24 hours...
- *OBAMA CALLING MERKEL AND CAMERON TODAY ON UKRAINE: OFFICIALS
- *MERKEL CALLED ON PUTIN TO RESPECT UKRAINE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY
- *NATO CALLS ON RUSSIA TO DE-ESCALATE TENSIONS, RASMUSSEN SAYS
- *ITALY CALLS ON KIEV TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT FOR PEACE, STABILITY
- *ITALY CALLS ON RUSSIA TO AVOID AGGRAVATING UKRAINE SITUATION
- *AKHMETOV CALLS FOR UKRAINE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY TO BE ENSURED
- *UKRAINE'S PM CALLS FOR PEACEFUL RESOLUTION TO CRISIS
- *UKRAINE'S PM CALLS ON PUTIN TO REFRAIN FROM STARTING WAR
- *OBAMA CALLS HEADS OF FRANCE, CANADA, TO DISCUSS UKRAINE CRISIS
- *OBAMA CALLS ON RUSSIA TO DE-ESCALATE TENSIONS IN UKRAINE
- *UN SECRETARY GENERAL CALLS FOR IMMEDIATE UKRAINE CALM: NESIRKY
- *U.K.'S HAGUE CALLS FOR `DE-ESCALATION OF TENSIONS' IN UKRAINE
- *TYMOSHENKO CALLS FOR ACCORD WITH EU TO BE SIGNED IN DAYS
- *KLITSCHKO CALLS FOR GENERAL MOBILIZATION IN UKRAINE
- *RUSSIA LAWMAKERS CALL ON PUTIN TO DEFEND CRIMEA POPULATION: RIA
- *CRIMEA'S PRIME MINISTER CALLS ON PUTIN TO ASSIST: INTERFAX
- *U.S. CALLS ON RUSSIA TO PULL BACK MILITARY FORCE IN REGION
- *MERKEL CALLS FOR RESTRAINT OVER CRIMEA
- *CAMERON CALLS PUTIN TO DISCUSS SITUATION IN UKRAINE
President Barack Obama discussed the Ukraine crisis with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in a phone call on Sunday and underscored:
"(The primary point) in all of his calls has been to underscore the complete illegitimacy of Russia's intervention" in the Crimea region of Ukraine, the official told reporters in a conference call.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Obama planned shortly to make the same point in conversations with the British prime minister and the Polish president.
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Phones bitchez.
Soon to be followed by pens!
(Sigh)
Laughing too hard. If market goes green this is your fault Tyler2.
I wonder what those Russian special forces are going to do with all those guns & mortars that are being liberated from the Ukranian Navy and Air Force armories.
On a second related note, do you think Vimpelcom being gifted all those East Ukraine cell towers is being priced into the market open ?
Putin should register his phone number on the Do Not Call list.
Meanwhile NSA listening to all calls.
LOLOLO!
NSA can't seem to collect and pipe in natural gas for Europe. Thus, NSA is ultimately powerless in this scenario.
Its weird how the US changes its foreign policy when the other party has nukes?!?
I spent several hours dealing with Charter Cable Service the other day. When Obama is out of the White House, he can go work for them.
Obama: Is your box plugged in?
Putin: Are you really asking me that?
Obama: Can you unplug the box, and then plug it in again?
Putin: I'm just going to invade Ukraine now ...
Your pen and phone don't mean shit to a standing army!!!!
How did that whole phone call take 90 minutes...that's what I want to know.
I had that same thought, should have been 5 minutes tops.
Must have been a lot of awkward silence, or Obama bullshitting and Vlad saying "Nyet" or "Da" or "Vozmozhno" ("perhaps").
Maybe everyting had to be cleared with Hillary...how Hillarious.
Where is Hellary's reset button?
You mean the 'overload' button?
Maybe everyting had to be cleared with Wookie...how Hillarious.
Obozo is such a pussy!
It dawned on my that a lot of Ukrainians have seen how Putin turned Russia around, how the standards of living improved once he reigned in the oligarchs and clawed back what they had stolen. He did a phenomenal job in Sochi. Then they look at their country and see Tymoshenko and her crooks send the oligarchs to their cities as representatives LOL. Can these usurpers in Kiev be any further from reality. They first banned other languages except Ukrainian then they changed their mind, whats to stop them from reversing and even do much worse once they are in full control. This has all the makings of a comedy except the actions of Nuland have resulted in 100 people dead and more may follow. Young people are very impressionable, and for the West to lure them with false promises so they put their lives on the line is a war crime in my opinion. Nuland should be dragged in front of the War Crimes Tribunal, but she won't because the place is stacked with her friends.
Anyways Crimea is a piece of Eden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCt03sFdvg
It probably took 90 minutes because Putin made him say everything in Russian. It takes a while to pick up a new language.
Every protectorate of the West is about to start scrambling for nukes.
This is a good thing. Let these countries depend upon themselves for protection. Time for the US to hang up its badge.
Not only that, Russia and China are finally coming to realize that the calculus of MAD in the Cold War era has been permanently altered by the ascendancy of China.
MAD is still there, but it is now overshadowed by the development of a Mexican Standoff. Russia and China can tag team the US into either committing suicide or giving up Empire and this dust-up in Ukraine is the perfect bookend to the Diaoyu Islands tension in the East Pacific.
The US either commits nuclear suicide or gives up hegemony and enters into economic decline like all ex-empires.
Hey Tyler are you actually Tim Backshall?
Now where the fuck is your suspension of disbelief?
Believe.
" the development of a Mexican Standoff. Russia and China can tag team the US into either committing suicide or giving up Empire and this dust-up in Ukraine is the perfect bookend"
Bingo Bingo BINGO! This is why I love ZH. If you look long enough you will find the truth. All of it makes sense when you tie it together at the nation level. I was shocked that Putin didnt see Ukraine coming. HE Did and the US just stuck its dick in a grinder. Putin wants the world....So does China. They are tag teaming the US. In order for this to happen both China and Russia must be convinced they could take the US alone at any away game. After doing a little digging I think China or Russia could indeed take us on any foreign turf.
The new Navy lazer weapons are really just a quickly cobbled together defense from the Chinese hammer of god weapon DF-21D . Too little too late they have the advantage.
Navy laser http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/navy-deploy-futuristic-laser-weapon-time-year-article-1.1617389
DF-21D http://youtu.be/_ah2u1TkuHg and http://youtu.be/5Iuw3rnkud4
Russian P-800 http://youtu.be/a3zAolroOQs
Russian/Indian BrahMos http://youtu.be/7cBvj9R5DYo
If we had not wasted over a decade policing the world (asset stripping for bankers and oil CO's) maybe we could have been ahead. If we had not given China our whole industrial base perhaps we could have kept up. Instead its time to roll it up boys and girls US dominance is over. The empire is done. The dollar is toast. Russia and China have put the US out of the game. I think collapse in less than a year. More likely only a couple of months.
I hope to god Im wrong and in that spirit I will use Denninger's fav clip
http://youtu.be/wbtvQUYXbQk
My sentiments exactly. We are toast. We are toothless. Soon we won't have a pot to piss in. The main danger is our irrational lashing out, a last gasp of purposeful deceit and subterfuge. False flag or bombs away is possible, because we don't know what else to do. Unbelievable how low we've sunk.
I like this theory because it provides plausible answers to many of my personal questions.
Why the fuck did McCain and Horse face go all in supporting the (alQueda) Syrian rebels? The blowback off that alone could have had them at the gallows. That was strait up treason guys - we were and still are fighting them. I think they had no choice....... Syria was WWIII............. aaaaannnnnddddd we lost. What is Putin doing dicking around in Ukraine? Putin likes to come off as an over the top man's man and this Ukraine thing just seems like small potatoes for a guy like that. His spies could have stopped or taken over that shit at any time. I think this Ukraine business is just some type of MASSIVE kabuki theatre to inform the whole world at once of just who won WWIII. Explains how Putins counter coo has been this bloodless as well. The Russians and Chinese read the Project for the New American Century and came up with their own plan and it worked. The best offense is a great defense. Without our carriers to project force the USA is cut out of the game. The us dollar can no longer be supported by the military alone. All our puppet govts can see the light at the end of the tunnel and just to be sure they do -- Putin is putting on the worlds greatest show.
This would mean - No upcoming war(unless Obummer is suicidal)
WalMart and Target are going to increase prices a lot real soon.
Gas is gonna get really expensive too.
This also explains DHS and militarized LEOS to some degree - after all the govt. knows 100% some crazy times are on the way. I think the DHS is really a domestic army designed to defend America and help police after the crash. It was possible that we could have been invaded once successful counters to our Navy were developed - especially with our military spead all across the world.
Also explains NSA to some degree. Their real job is to help Washington control the populace and monitor opinion to prevent total breakdown as the new reality arrives.
Also explains that dumb ass speech that Obummer gave yesterday - They knew this was coming but Putin moved the transition date way up without warning :)
Lastly why didnt we just build better bombs ect.? China took all our industry. That was what made us great. Without it innovation is much much slower. Industrial might makes military might period. Thats why. Dont worry if all goes well we will be doing great in another 10 - 15 years. Back to work on productive projects and much happier I think.
Excellent post. Putin apparently knows the methods of his enemies among those who lead from behind, be they Nazist or Zionist or Whatever.
I wish my nation's government would stand aside and let the feather-fluffers duke it out amongst themselves.
I bet The Art of War is Vlad's bedtime reading and even if it's not, he borrowed plenty from ancient Chinese general playbook. Excellent reading btw along with Machiavelli's Prince.
Putin just did this to the US war machine. http://youtu.be/3OTn6Hv3mIo
+1000
Someone in another post said this whole scenerio was playing into US hands - that having Putin active in Urkaine would distract him and keep him from being able to act in Syria. That this was the USA's plan.
I call bullshit.
Russia and China are working the US over on two fronts both close to THEIR front lines for good reason. In doing so - this has the advantage of keeping US forces spread thin and far from their own source of supply - the continental USA. it weakens them relative to Russia and China's position. All military forces are strongest closest to their own ground.
This coupled with what appears to be impending civil unrest in the US (seems to me that the situation in Conneticut is coming unhinged at the exact same time as the rest of the planet is) means that the USA is handling potentially major conflicts both internationally and domestically. This is very bad for the American people as it will make them incredibly vulnerable economically/finacially as well as politcally and socially.
While I am not conerned with the USA being invaded (an outside invasion force would galvenize US solidarity against a common foe) the fact that it is falling to pieces on so many fronts makes its international monetary/military power vulnerable to splintering and collapse.
Surely the powers that be in the US are intelligent enough to see this which leads me to believe that domestically those involved with what is going on there are pawns that are being steered in the direction of civil unrest - that their military is being deliberatley spread to thin and lead to destruction and that powers within the US itself are dedicated to destroying US military power, social cohesion (going on for decades anyways) and economic hegemony.
It's so obvious even a half retarded TSA agent can see it.
In short - if things keep going like they're going the USA is fucked.
Hell - if I didn't know any better I'd say I was on the NSA's pay roll myself..... shit maybe I am and don't know it..... it's a fucked up world ain't it?
PS - Please forgive spelling and grammatical errors. Half a bottle of wine is messing with my vision and motor skills..... good wine though....
No Russia and China are calling "bullshit" on the US and finally realizing that the US and the rest of the developed countries have seriously bad financial problems. This is just the start for Russia and just wait for China to get rolling.
If US Policy was really smart, they would realize that the Gazprom & Rosneft/Siberneft global offshore cash accounts could easily be frozen/captured with immediate hard currency implications for Putin.
If NATO does not send support, then the 94 accord is putched, and pretty much invalidates the whole US position of the last 10 years with North Korea, Iran and other countries who were offered US currency & trade for their nuclear/Rus tech.
In the end we will either see 1.) UN Security council fracture and NATO being questioned as a defense structure or 2.) Putin will need to decide if it is worth being isolated further, or should he go all-in. If he goes all in, which he may, then the whole thing will go right into Nukes & ICBM's. 3.) Putin has been learning "go" from China and can open up the Syria front again. or North Korea.
John Kerry is looking like Neville Chamberlain.
Obama is looking like a Queen.
And then the British lost their Empire.
Is it just me or does US policy seem like it's designed to destroy the US?
Talk about your rabbit holes....
osama bin laden may be moldering in his grave (or maybe not) but his truth is marching on.
talk about using your opponent's weight and momentum against him.
is it just me or does US policy is the same as Israeli and Saudi?
fixed it for ya.
The 94 accord was 'punched' by th USA when it provoked/supported Kosovo ...
My bet is China lets the Norks go rogue again. It's their best strategic play. Let the Norks do another nuke test, then lob a missle over Japan. Keep heating the pot until it's almost boiling. Then when 0zer0 is stepping on his pee pee trying to backtrack from his red lines, China can swoop in and play the peacemaker. Offer to control the Norks in return for some US concession. I would say it's not some little islands in the China sea, but something much bigger. I think the prize is Taiwan. It's China's next Hong Kong. A huge economic prize because of all the Taiwanese business contacts all over the world. And 0zer0 will gladly cave to get his foreign policy failure off the front pages. Never let a crisis go to waste. The world has learned from the 0zer0 doctrine.
Maybe in the past there was some money there worth freezing, Putin thinks ahead as do the Chinese, that money right now is in GOLD in Russian Vaults. Plus those servers with those offshore accounts they are backed up in many places around the world. I am sure the Russians think ahead. Not to mention the Swiss always stay neutral, they know its good for business, they may act like they do something under EU pressure, but I am sure stuff still moves around.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government...
good story, nice to know we fought WW2 for a higher ideal and we have become our own enemy 70 years later
It was never a "higher ideal" except in Allied propaganda. Hitler had to go because he had figured out a way around the same system of Jewish/Anglo/American high finance that we are still indebted to.
"If US Policy was really smart, they would realize that the Gazprom & Rosneft/Siberneft global offshore cash accounts could easily be frozen/captured with immediate hard currency implications for Putin."
This is called " Goodbye dollar , hello gold."
You can not take from Russia gold and energy.
Money - is energy. Because energy generates products . Because the goods - an energy that was concentrated in certain commodity forms . Thus, having the energy, you can give and use universal notes (fiat money) from this energy. Or you can claim the gold as payment for energy - petroleum gas. If the fools in the West will be wise enough to pick up the money in Russia , then the next day , they will be able to buy oil and gas only for gold. Checkmate.
NSA is listening but we learned a while back that the FSB was also listening in on those 'secure' calls while the US and friends planned the overthrow. I'm thinking those intercepted calls will play a factor in this drame sometime soon. I also think the Kenyan guy knows it. Do you think they might still have the recordings?
Not enough ressources, all are busy making screen shots of nude webcam streams.
LOL so true, business has been booming on these sites, I noticed a lot more hot girls on there lately and they are all busy as heck in privates. Some sites are lots of Eastern Europe girls but others have a ton of American girls on there.
President Pansy Ass always leaves them laughing.
FORWARD SOVIET CRIMEA!
Why would Putin want to miss a good laugh now and then?
Obama is such a vagina, that Putin has no other choice than to pound him.
Shit we better ask sarah palin for some insight into this mess.
Quick, to the snowmobile!
When in doubt...it is best to defer to the stewardess with the nice rack.
Here we are trying to distract Russia with an African instead of a vagina.
Wait till Iran gets Nukes, Obama will just strap a matress to his back so the world can just fuck him 24/7.
calling obama a vagina insults boadicea, joan of arc, eleanor of aquitaine, elizabeth 1, catherine the great, anne bonney, mary read, molly pitcher, ching shih, golda meir, indira gandhi, margaret thatcher, and, clearly, billions more.
calling him a monster insults john wayne gacy, ted bundy, charles manson....
you see the problem.
What about Urkel? You kewl wit dat?
Pole Smoker?
dupe sorry.
I think the NSA is controlling my computer :)
So much for the Spirit of the Olympics and world harmony.
Vanessa Williams can do both.
http://www.2flashgames.com/photo/file/vanessa_williams/Vanessa_Williams_...
Edit. A down arrow for the Foxiest of the Foxy Browns. Taste has gone the way of the Tasmanian Tiger.
Brown sugar, how come you taste so good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B0Y3LUqr1Q
V. Monologs
V. Dialogs
It's all a twitterin' to me.
I am sure Plain Palin's vagina is all Dry, kind of like the cold dry Alaskan air.
Voting for Palin: when you vote based your desire to fuck, vs voting for the asshole who will fuck you the least.
I logged in solely to up-vote this.
IF The market goes green?? Surely a typo. You meant, WHEN the market goes green.....
Blah, blah, fucking, blah...
Bullish. At least for the telecom companies.
NYET !!
If you like your proxy war, you can keep your proxy war.
Poland has been there. Relax. Queen Rulez.
https://www.google.pl/search?q=kr%C3%B3lowa+polski&espv=210&es_sm=122&tb...
Obama brings out comedy even in dour Russians like Vladimir Putin, who supposedly said that "Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
Obama was trying to play checkers on a chess board.
Obama keeps saying "King Me" while Putin just laughs and shakes his head.
Obama has told so many lies he doesn't even recognize one told to him. Putin can complement him and them lie about everything else and Barack will hang on every word.
Isn't our POTUS the bestest evah? He's certainly a first. I'll let you all fill in which 1st he really is.
Sumptin' doin' wit' stereotypes?
I'm waiting for Vlad to offer a "concession" to 0zer0, and 0zer0 will be so desperate, he will take anything. The concession will be "Hey 0zer0, how bout you let us keep Crimea, and you get to keep Chernobyl?" 0zer0 will say Ok, then spin it as "winning".
+100
That's fantastic!
ZakuKommander
Thank you for watching my 2013 G20 summit comparison post. That person had a great comment, winks!
Actually, found it in a comment on Moon of Alabama, a superb site for European perspectives. Some things just have to be shared among friends. . . . and I gave you a "like!"
This just in...
Mutti wants a "fact finding mission" as to 'Wa Happened'! And apparently Putin is warming to the idea.
Wouldn't you love to be the "fly on the wall" with that conversation. Fuck President Remus!
http://www.dw.de/putin-agrees-to-ukraine-fact-finding-mission-after-talk-with-merkel/a-17468591
If Merkel wants a fact finding mission she should first send one to New York to find out what happened to the German people's gold.
Maybe she will use Putin to help her find that "gold". Something tells me Putin owned her in this conversation.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_02/Putin-tells-Merkel-Russias-moves-on-Ukraine-are-fitting-Kremlin-1609/
Putin told Ozero that he thought it was very bold of zero to be bitching about Russia invading Ukraine when it was the CIA and the State Department that was behind the civil unrest, or if you would not have plowed with my heifer you wouldn't have shit all over your plow.
or someone beside ron paul could send one to fort knox to see about the u.s. gold. no audit since when exactly? 1953? see http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2013/07/16/fort-knox-gold/
has it ever really been audited?
Unfortunately, contrived soundbites from a handful of incompetent attention whoring expense claimants will do little to resolve the situation.
it ain't easy competing with the Oscars.
"perfect timing"...just keepin' that Olympic Torch burning a little longer, a little stronger.
Bitches love smiley faces
Dave...Dave's not here.
An asshole calls a dick.....
Sanctions?
So Putin will sanction off Germany from oil? They get half of their 2.5 million bpd from Russia. These guys better figure out who can sanction who.
That made me laugh. EXACTLY what the fuck are we, the EU and the UK going to sanction? Classic Obama/Merkel/English dude....starting not to even give a fuck to know names anymore, taking a situation completely out of context and fucking it up 500x's worse in a matter of hours.
Congratulations. You've successfully identified what bad leadership results in. As with most such things, by the time you realize how far into the weeds things have gotten, it's too late.
i only hope they try using their "monopoly" on the dollar, pound and euro banking systems to keep russia from selling its oil and gas. like they tried to do to iran. iran offered it for gold and this mighty cartel was shown for what it is.
http://stateofglobe.com/2012/02/16/the-gold-market-de-and-re-constructed...
Their banking systems are crap. All the BRICS have to do is randomly call around the world and see what an ounce of physical gold sells for that day and they can peg their transactions to that price
As I said earlier today, the Western Coup plotters thought they had it made when they got Kiev to fall. But they didn't extend their siege far enough. Russia controls the areas that have the majority of the population, tax base, finances, economy, and military. Without these power centers, the West has Kiev, which is essentially an empty shell. It's Kiev and the Western Coup plotters that are going to get a real lesson in siege warfare now.
Bingo right on, and in the meantime they can stay warm in Kiev burning worthless euros and dollars because in the end what matters to an economy (getting people to work, farm equipment going etc) is OIL
Putin does not take shit from anyone.
Unless it's Crimea..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCt03sFdvg
See why Crime is anything but unless
I'm Rootin' for Putin. Bitch slap that Narcissistic Gay Liar and the horse he rode in on ... Kerry!
Sorry, duplicate post.
The west is like little kids telling their older brother "if you do not stop, I am going to tell mommy on you and you will be in trouble".
The West is so incompetent, the best course of action is keeping their damn mouths shut.
http://20committee.com/2014/03/02/moscow-understands-only-force-and-will...
"Was Hitler done with the Anschluss? No. Neither will Russia be satisfied just with Ukraine."
By former Estonian ambassador to Russia
Slurp up Georgia next. No need to invade Belarus, that will be a friendly integration. As for the "stans", that's a bit problematic. What about that base in Kaliningrad? Nato could mess with Russia on that isolated thing.
China is looking at the Senkaku Islands and wondering . . . just why are we hesitating? In fact we could grab half of Japan, too. Why are we hesitating?
"Do we take the half that glows in the dark, or the other half?"
I gotta wish China well with that plan.
China already owns 5% of Ukrain. So does Saudi Arabia.
http://qz.com/127258/why-china-just-bought-one-twentieth-of-ukraine/
Used to. Putin owns it now.
Hysterical bullshit talk. Putin has not been an agressor in his 14 years of leadership of Russia. The US-EUro fags pushed him too far with their destabilizing bullshit. Obama is still pussy hurt over Snowden and thought he could back Putin into a corner. Such a childish imbecile Obama is. And fuck those EU fucksticks. These cocksuckers all deserve whatever they get, they asked for it and someone called their bluff.
And fuck these wimpy fuckers in Kiev. You want independence and then crawl into the lap of the EU? Fucking pussies. You want independence, fine, but fuck the EU.
As far as I am concerned western Ukraine deserves its independence and all the debt that comes with it.
I hate to agree with this...but I do.
"givin' good up arrow" too.
Free Francis Saywer, we need some direct commentary here.
oh and welcome to the eu. certainly worked well for the baltic republics, hungary, greece, spain, portugal, italy, france ....
and you get obama as the "leader of the "free" world". kind of like a toaster with a bank account in 1973.
except of course the toaster actually made toast.
Ukraine has two choices. Russia or EU. It is same situation again for many eastern european countries, you can't stay independent between those two forces, neither one of them would allow it. It would be as impossible as to ignore both Stalin and Hitler at the dawn of WW2 while you are located exactly between those two.
I would say Georgia was to test the waters, this move is as bold as it can be. Putin will go as far as west allows him to go. This is aggression, as simple as that!
Eastern Europe is in a predicament. We would choose independence every single time but it's not an option. We are between the rock and the hard place. It's a reality we have to deal with. If any of you is familiar with Russian culture, then you would understand it has very little in common with western values(not being sarcastic, I know there is not much left). But i guess it is pointless to explain it any further. This place is Putin frenzy.
The US has a pretty nasty history of "cutting loose" its allies once it is done with them.
Very true! But Problem with Russia is that you will never be cut loose again. Collapse of the Soviet Union was a rare exception. Empires don't die very often.
Word on the street is that Saudi is next in line to be double-crossed (sources: Lindsey Williams, Jim Willie).
"This is the essence of an existential question for a wider audience: Is the West (especially the United States) willing to start what would likely be a truly uncompromising fight in order to win Crimea, as well as the eastern and southern Ukraine back from Moscow? That is not likely. It is much more likely that the West will behave exactly the way it did in 1938 when Germany under the leadership of Adolf Hitler demanded that they have Czechoslovakia, the independence and territorial integrity of which had been guaranteed by the Soviet Union and France in the League of Nations.
At the time, the issue was left for Britain’s Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain to mediate, which resulted in Czechoslovakia being left to Hitler to tear apart. Was Hitler satisfied with that? No. Neither will Russia be satisfied with this. After Ukraine, Russia will only have one target – the Baltic states.
It is naive to maintain that the West can influence Russia by imposing sanctions and freezing funds of the ruling kleptocratic clique. Putin & Co. have transferred their assets to a safe place by now, and Russia can withstand a long economic blockade stoically because the average Russian, unlike Europeans and Americans, is able to survive on vodka and potatoes alone. But it is Germany which will be unable to stay in business without Russian raw materials."
First you have China and Russia doing war games together (nothing new but increased in scale).
NORKs rattles sabre and act crazy (nothing new but increased scale).
Chinal rattles sabre over islands and Japan issues (nothign new but increased scale).
US "pivots" to Asia.
West pushes on Syria.
NORKs and China make noise in Pacific.
US gives up Syria (due to a lot of reasons) and continues "pivot" to Asia.
US riles up Ukrainians and we get the mess of the past weeks.
Russia takes advantage of the "pivot" and makes a land grab.
Does the US "pivot" to Europe?
No: Does Russia keep grabbing?
Yes: Does China take islands, Taiwan, or Japan?
They got us boys. We look right and they kick us from the left. We look left and they kick us from the right. All the while we dont' see the cancer spreading within. I wonder how our history will be written.
Edit: No attempt to differentiate between west and US is made for simplicity, just called them US regardless.
the u.s. grabbed the fallen lance of the french in vietnam and got beaten. yet now the vietnamese make t-shirts for u.s. companies and buy gold with the payments.
china took tibet and no nation tried to stop them. yet taiwan, south korea, nepal are all still independent of china.
the u.s. invaded iraq and afghanistan and made iran and pakistan stronger and itself weaker.
hitler was an outlier not a paradigm.
and should another hitler appear, the west will be so debilitated by its current (and decades past) folly and frenzy that it will offer little effective opposition.
ummm...see comment below
and
"a blockade of Russian ports would cause all their goods to flow through Ukraine thus helping pay the Maiden's hefty bar tab."
I do agree...a blockade is an act of war.
It is interesting that...
sorry, I forgot what i was going to say.
Hitler was a creation of London and Wall Street Eastern Establishment elites. They wanted fascism to cement their control over the planet and to destroy the US Constitution that Roosevelt was using to crush them. The Hitler Project got out of control just like installing a fascist regime in Ukraine will get out of control. A faction of US and British elites recoginized that the Nazis had to be stopped so Roosevelt and Churchill took charge, pushed the Hitler Project elites out of the way and destroyed the Nazis along with their junior partners in Italy and Japan. The Russians took the biggest hit losing 20 million people.
Putin sees the new Nazi front on his border as the Western financial elites using fascism again as an instrument to dominate Russia to bring them under control. You are acting like Putin is the aggressor. To you the Western bankers have no involvement. Putin sees, and I agree, that the Western bankers are one trick ponies. If they succeed in putting fascism into power in Ukraine, fascism will rise in every EU country and in the US. It will be unstoppable and Russia will be destroyed.
It is the EU and US who are the kleptocrat meglomaniacs. You have everything completely backwards.
you are correct about nazis but at the same time you completely misjudge the whole situation by ignoring the fact that communism was funded by the same group of people(international bankers or merchant bankers as quigley called them). check palmereldritch comment on sutton just bellow. i'm tired of this nazis bad, everybody else okay bullshit spawned on ZH, though i'm not going to point fingers why it is prevailing. none of you can imagine predicament where you have to choose between hitler or stalin to survive another day. what a choice that is!
one of the reason why fascism is rising it's ugly head in europe is opposition to EU(kleptocrat megalomaniacs as you so eloquently put it) but accepting this would defy your own logic so forget about it. in ukraine right wing extremist are using the situation for their benefit. what they are interested in is nation state(one country, one nation, sounds familiar?) which goes clearly against the core values of EU.
i have to give credit to putin by standing for his country but one has to be completely naive to think it's because of patriotism or such other bullshit. he's a ruler and rulers only care of one thing. difference between putin and obama is that the first one is not a puppet and represents his own interests which coincide with the wellbeing of russia, while the second only does what he's been told by some grey eminence. this makes you gullible fools believe putin stands for his people and not for his own power, because RT, ZH or 'what have you' says so, and you dream of politician with the spine like him(shouting RP 2016 etc), instead of taking personal responsibility for your liberty. seriously, is it too difficult to comprehend that human nature doesn't change when it comes to power, politics and money?
and clearly, why on earth would russia invade eastern europe again, it has never happened before, right? how can one even entertain such a crazy notion?! it's time to grow up and exercise some critical thinking. putin confronting west is not a thing to cheer for. this can only end in another cold war or with the third world war. both serve only the interests of the ruling elite, of both west and east. we have nothing to gain, but everything to lose from this. the real dichotomy is not putin or obama, but we the little people and the (political) elites, everything else is propaganda.
<--USSA
<--USSR
Who has invaded more countries in the last 50 years...?
Not really a fair question....USSR has been gone for 25 years. But they did invade Afghanistan and Czechoslovakia in the previous 25 years. So, on average we were equally bad.
oh, that was it.
"Empire Maintenance."
The USA has been hangin with Korea since the mid-fifties...and obviously Israel, Europe, etc a lot longer.
What do we have now?
"the smallest Army since 1940"?
I'd laugh if the President and Secretary of State actually pulled this off.
FORWARD!
how many coups did the US organized in the same time span in Latin America?
150? 200?
The USSA.
But only because their funding from Wall Street wasn't as indirect as that to the USSR
http://www.whale.to/b/sutton.html
AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT by Dr. Antony Sutton
This book is a combination of the four volumes of the "Order" series. It explains why the West built the Soviets and Hitler; why we go to war, to lose; why Wall Street loves Marxists and Nazis; why our kids can't read; why the churches have become propaganda founts; why historical facts are suppressed; why politicians lie ... and a hundred other whys.
The War on Gold by Antony Sutton is through. I will read this as well. There is no link for an online copy of "The War on Gold" of which I am aware.
Thank you for the link.
Why didn't they use Skype, oh right that spying thing
Nobody is talking on the phone. What bullshit.
Mr. Jefferson and Yakov Shmirnoff...nothing more...nothing less. Actors and characters....shitty ones...at best.
I wonder if Obama's phone has a teleprompter on it.
Ha. Nice one. All these photo ops are just that. Nobody is on the phone...unless it is to pose.
ZeroHead calling.
Gold's up...
ummm...see below i guess but
equity traders DELIGHT here.
"sabre rattling."
Among "Superpowers" no less.
Can anyone explain to me how Putin backs down from here?
he doesn't.
just btfd, dont question just buy btfd now
Just like his conversations with the Mrs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUQ0lA0K-FE
LOL, another Morris viewer....
I wonder what the phone call was between Blankfein and Dimon. That is the thing to know.
"So we got the Ukraine thing. A lock to drop the market by 5%. We'll be getting another QE injection next month, so we have to get the positions in to maximize the next rebound."
This entire episode feels like it is playing out like a sick game to scalp money. Since the market has been hovering around these levels, events need to happen to creat money making opportunities. Remember being on the right side of ten 10% trades is 100%, or in the case of HFT being on the right side of 1% trades can add up quickly.
Killing people and destroying the sovereignty of nations is a small price to pay for another year of zero losing days for those doing God's work.
Dood. Oil is north of $103. QE doesn't improve that.
I think we should start listing the price of oil in ounces of gold. So in this case, 1 oz = almost 14 barrels.
Where is Another when we need him ?
It may be an age thing or above some clowns' pay grades- but an memo, email, text, tweet, or press release is not a call. Picking up the telephone and placing a call leads to direct engagement and two-way verbal communication. A telephone call is the antithesis of social media which produces anti-social behavior and leads to a degradation of basic social skills with chronic abuse.
If these dysfunctional clowns (socially and otherwise) charged with leadership actually talked and engaged with each other, the world be a safer place.
Illegitimacy of Russia's intervention in Ukraine? What about the Russians catching the US with its pants down in doing the same? The Russians have been given free rein to do as they please to Ukraine because of US's stupidity... One can feel for the Ukrainian people being played around by these big powers...
But we showed Putin - by sending a couple of faggots to Sochi as delegates of the USA!
"Make no mistake"
If i had a nickle for every time....
Edit
I guess his phone and pen are so effective in international diplomacy
All goes down in two days anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDvwujypEAM
Nice set, too.
How many phone calls must a real man make to prove he's a man? Did Mutti promise to hold his hand and speak to him in soothing Austrian? Did Hollande promise to help him surrender? Did Cameron discuss pedophilia in Britain?
#rumint reports Ukrainian military unitNo238 in #Balaklava reported to have been taken by Russian forces.
Upd.from mil.base #1656: blockaded by invaders under command of RF BS Fleet II rank capt.,who put fwd ultimatum to give up weapons till 8 AM
So possibly a flashpoint at 1AM EST...
hmmm still a lot of vids coming from poland showing heavy armour moving to the Ukrainian border.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df0_1393810470 train station full of tanks
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dde_1393810655
Convoy of Armoured Vehicles - Poland 00.24mark look at sign on right and convoy top left
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68e_1393808837 various films of convoys of tanks,light armour on the move heading ???? all from poland
bullish on brass