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Ukraine's New Navy Head Denis Berezovsky Defects After Just One Day On The Post

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Overnight, there had been numerous rumors that the newly appointed chief of the Ukraine navy, who was just made head of the navy on Saturday, had defected to the Crimean people explicitly, and to pro-Russian forced in the region implicitly. The sourcing of most were various Russian outlets so we discounted these until we got confirmation from a "western" source. The BBC did just that moments ago.

New head of Ukraine's navy 'defects' in Crimea

 

The newly appointed head of Ukraine's navy has sworn allegiance to the Crimea region, in the presence of its unrecognised pro-Russian leader.

 

Rear Admiral Denis Berezovsky was only made head of the navy on Saturday, as the government in Kiev reacted to the threat of Russian invasion.

 

Russia's troops have been consolidating their hold on Crimea, which is home to its Black Sea Fleet.

The moment of defection allegedly caught on digital media:

The move is not entirely unexpected: while the US may not have many issues with facing the Russian navy head on as it did last summer in the Mediterranean over Syria, others are not quite as excited with being on the receiving end of the Russian military juggernaut.

So if this has been confirmed, the rest of the news reported earlier by RIA is also true. To wit:

Ukraine’s autonomous region of Crimea confirmed Sunday that the majority of Ukrainian military units stationed on the Crimean peninsula have expressed their support of legitimately elected Pro-Russian authorities.

 

Earlier reports by Russian media about peaceful takeover of the military units by forces loyal to the Crimean government were denied by the Ukrainian defense ministry.

 

However, Crimean authorities said that most of the Ukrainian units sided on Sunday with pro-Russian forces “without a single shot fired,” and warned the commanders of a few units that remain loyal to Kiev that they would face criminal action if refused to surrender.

 

“I would like to warn commanders who force their subordinates to commit illegal actions that they will be punished according to existing laws,” Crimea’s Prime Minister Sergei Aksenov said in a statement.

 

The Crimean government said earlier that some 10 warships from the Ukrainian navy left their naval base in Sevastopol apparently on orders from Kiev.

 

Crimea is now at the center of the ongoing crisis in the country as pro-Russia groups move to distance themselves from a reformed national parliament that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych a week ago.

The map below is said to summarize all the Ukraine cities where the Russian flag has already been hoisted.

If anything, these bloodless victories will only embolden Russia to press on: hardly the resolution the west would like. Perhaps that explains why early unofficial quotes of the Russian Ruble see the currency dropping as much as 10%.

 

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Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:33 | 4497558 skwid vacuous
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Maybe he just found out they don't HAVE a navy?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:33 | 4497562 john39
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Counter coups can be a real bitch, eh Victoria 'nuland'?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:35 | 4497578 skwid vacuous
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Kerry should give her fat fuk neocon husband an M16 and have him para-dropped into Sevastapol

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:37 | 4497589 Infinite QE
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They can only shoot women and children. In the back.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:39 | 4497600 Arius
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Berezovsky - a traitor

fuck "nuland she doesnt count.

kerry is dealing directly with lavrov they have a longstanding relationship trying to fuck up ukraine!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:51 | 4497646 Thought Processor
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I'm sure he was well paid.  30 million in Gold can buy a lot of Loyalty.  And apparently a ship to go along with it.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:57 | 4497675 BaBaBouy
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Go With The Bigger PAY RAISE, Bitchez... It's All In The $$$$$$$$$$$$$'s

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:15 | 4497745 Occident Mortal
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It's actually the entire Ukrainian Navy which has defected.

Not just the Admiral.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:52 | 4497892 ebworthen
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Smart decision on their part.

The EU doesn't have a navy.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:57 | 4497915 0b1knob
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Rats (and admirals) always leave a sinking (flag) ship.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:03 | 4497945 Handful of Dust
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The good news is the Swiss Navy has been placed on alert:

 

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOIYA9oowd52I0EJBz...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:18 | 4498472 Ludwig Von
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But they only work office hours ( 9-5 )

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:09 | 4497970 Urban Roman
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Just saw Kerry on teevee this morning ... whoever said Lenin seems to be in better shape, was right!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:14 | 4498397 Independent
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I can see the conversation between two navy officers Boris from Ukraine and Vlad from Russia over the phone:

Boris: hey vlad been a while since the academy buddy how are you

Vlad: Great just set up my dacha in the countryside for the summer how bout you?

Boris: oh just living with my wife and little son and my parents and her parents in a two bedroom apt, we keep the thermostat low to save money

Vlad: what about Julia your older daughter

Boris: oh she went to Israel to do some au paire  job she says pays lots of money, havent heard from her I am worried...

Vlad: I am looking to retire form the navy in a few years, got a nice pension and a job teaching at the academy lined up how bout you

Boris: Vlad I dont know if I will even have a pension or get paid by this take over govt.

Vlad: Boris come back to the Mother Russia Armed Forces, we can get you a nice payraise, new naval equipment, rank promotion, nice dacha, not to mention your gas bill will be a lot less for two apartments one for your family, the other for the inlaws in new construction in Crimea (with a Sea View)

I expect NATO to try to get forces on the ground under Ukrainian flag to secure Odessa Port and Large Industrial MIC complexes that Russia wants. Its a race to see who gets there first, and Russia is winning. Odessa will be a FLASHPOINT and you will see many casualties there my Prediction.  If Odessa goes to Putin then Transniester region of Moldova will no longer be isolated and it will be continuous with Mother Russia.  Odessa is the next valuable piece in the chess game.

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 16:59 | 4498409 Wolferl
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C´mon 2/3 of the Ukraine military forces and more are pro-Russian, not just a rear admiral. The moment the clowns in charge in Kiev order the Ukraine army to attack the Russians they´ll be hanged at spot. And they know it.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:23 | 4498485 Kirk2NCC1701
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So, technically, the Old/New Ukrainian Navy could defend the country against foreign forces from the South?  ;-)

Imagine the complexity if a "Ukrainian" warship sinks a foreign ship, while flying a Ukrainian flag?  The mind reels.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:45 | 4498559 max2205
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They must have better dunkin donut shops in Crimea

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:23 | 4498487 Cap Matifou
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I just had a de-ja-vu while reading this comment. A literal one, not figuratively. Admiral with fleet defected, while pouring over comments, and i dreamt the same sight a few months ago. Sorry to bother folks, it hit too intense.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:57 | 4497769 Anusocracy
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East Ukraine should declare a "Velvet Divorce" from Kiev.

Russia moves to cancel east's portion of Ukrainian debt.

Russia raises gas prices to western Ukraine.

EU loans money Kiev, money eventually ends up in Russia's hands.

Fed prints new money to cover EU loan.

Win-win.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:04 | 4498423 swmnguy
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In a nutshell, that appears to be the plan.  May have been the plan the whole time.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:14 | 4497738 Volkodav
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I doubt that.

There are men of honor.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:51 | 4497649 johnQpublic
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ukraine navy composed of nothing but swiftboats i hear

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:55 | 4497662 cossack55
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He has just been awarded the Russian equivalent of the Purple Heart after he caught a splinter in hes finger from the podium.  

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:06 | 4497711 Headbanger
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I hate to say it but we should expect to see a false flag event of Russian soldiers killing non-ethnic Russian Ukrainians to get NATO boots on the ground their.

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:12 | 4497733 Bonapartist
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the boys from NATO in their fairy-blue helmets won't do shit.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:25 | 4497778 knukles
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Waaaaaait...
I thought the UN has the fairy blue helmets and NATO the sissy pink?  (Was a compromise between the cross-dressing paedophile Brits and gay Continentals)

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:47 | 4498115 holmes
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Wait until they send in the UN Peace Keeping Units. That's when the real pillor and plunder begin. Ukrainians be locking up their women and daughters then (maybe grandmothers too).

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 19:52 | 4499022 Kirk2NCC1701
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Speaking of "traitors"... Obama also defected after one day on the job.

He's double-dipping on his pay.  No doubt Hillary will ride in and save us. /sarc

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:38 | 4497592 Arius
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double

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:48 | 4497635 Volkodav
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I volunteer to pack his chute...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:58 | 4497679 Spastica Rex
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Eewww.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:14 | 4498460 WillyGroper
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ROFL

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 21:18 | 4499350 Hooter Shaker
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Damn you!  Now I have a mess to clean up!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:00 | 4497691 Tim_
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Victoria Nuland's husband, Robert Kagan, is also a jew.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:10 | 4497728 Bonapartist
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Nuland- originally "Nudelman". Nuland sounds more WASPy.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:25 | 4497787 Tim_
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Lost in America: A Journey with My Father by Sherwin Nuland (Victoria's father)


"We learn also that Nuland has suffered from depression on and off since he was preadolescent, experiencing a major breakdown in midlife. This book attempts to make sense out of the family dynamics and the depression. At the same time, it describes the insular world of Russian Jewish immigrants living in New York City's Lower East Side and Bronx in the first half of the 20th century."

"What cannot be disassociated from Nuland's story is his Jewish background of persecution, scapegoating, immigration, and the Holocaust."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:20 | 4498003 geno-econ
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The play Fiddler on the Roof depicts life of Jews in old Ukraine and specifically problems of assimilation and bigotry towards money merchants.
Unfortunately not much has changed since then and in fact recent events in Ukraine will make matters worse. In other words , Nuland and Kagan inadvertently are raising old fears and provoking ill feelings towards their own people in Europe and US as well. Comments on ZH certainly is evidence of rising religious bigotry spurred by the likes of Nuland/Kagan

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:36 | 4498492 ArrestBobRubin
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I've seen FOTR on Broadway, almost barfed. Just another boring Yid fairytale that seeks to conflate the normal response of good people to non-assimilating parasites and nation/culture/tradition destroying detritus that has been thrown out of every European country over the past 1100 years with irrational, latent hatred by their hosts.

Jew's arent "victims", it's serial crappy Jewish behavior that is (and has always been) the cause of their problems. Time to grow up Yiddies, stop blaming others for your wretched behvior practiced over and over and over again. What, we're not supposed to notice the pattern? Stop pointing crooked fingers and try looking within.

Over-hyped Jewish fairytales written by ethnocentric supremacists cannot be taken seriously. They're just how Jews try to ignore their documented history of shitty neighbor realtions and rationalize their often disgusting behavior over the centuries. They can't help themselves, it's just How They Roll. Much easier to blame others than face up to their own deficiencies and actually change for the better.  What we're now witnessing in the Ukraine is just the latest eruption of shitty Jewish behavior. We're not supposed to notice?

Believe and post what you want, but here at ZH, you're gonna get a basketball facial each time you try to throw up devious crap like this.  It's called Free Speech, and we do realize just how huge a threat that is to the Jewish racket. We also note how hard Jews are trying to destroy our God-given Freedom of Speech, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. Better to try to enslave another Gentile nation as debt peons than to admit the truth, eh? To treat others as Jews (rightly) demand to be treated themselves?

Did I mention disgusting?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:46 | 4498112 Rafferty
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"What cannot be disassociated from Nuland's story is his Jewish background of persecution, scapegoating, immigration, and the Holocaust."

 

I can never understand every country does that to the poor unfortunate misunderstood Jews.  (scratchin' ma haid)

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:39 | 4498522 Kirk2NCC1701
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The irony is that Jews have never had better protection in the region than under Putin.

Exhibit A: "If you view Putin in the context of Russian history of the last 400 years... Putin is the least authoritarian, let's call him the most soft authoritarian of Russian rulers in centuries.  Putin has been the better for Jews than any leader in Russian history, and if you want evidence of that, just ask Israel." - Steven F Cohen, Prof. Emeritus of Russian Studies at NYU and Princeton, on Fareed Zakaria's show GPS on CNN, Sun, 3/2/2014. He just wrote an article in the magazine The Nation: "Media Malpractice: Putin, Sochi and Ukraine"

To the extent that an elite subset of Neocons and US Jews are anti-Putin masks their real agenda:  NWO.  World domination/control via King Dollar.  It's ALL about the hegemony of the Petro-Dollar, and the power, glory and lifestyles it provides for its true owners and their ilk.  Period.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:12 | 4497732 ArrestBobRubin
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So funny- - the kings of Khazaria (The Scammers of the Steppe) were known as Kagans. But I'm sure one has nothing to do with the other, right?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:36 | 4497585 Arius
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Berezovsky - a traitor

fuck "nuland

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:14 | 4497741 matrix2012
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Poor Arius, what a joke you're...

placing the 'FUCK "NULAND"' at the bottom line won't save your a$$ from the down arrows!!! lol

 

toil harder your lines trolling around here

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:18 | 4497760 Arius
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i am not on payroll so the down arrows do not matter to me.  The truth yes, it does!i

with this crowd the down arrows show you are in the right path ....

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:27 | 4498495 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed. Ukraine is a hodgepodge of ethnic regions with one underlying commonality: poverty and deathbed demographics. The Crimea has been Russian for a long time and will stay that way. The pipelines will stay operating. Russia will take care of that. The geographic area we call Ukraine will continue to suck and decline, each wildly diverse ethnic region in its particular way.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:32 | 4498507 James_Cole
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with this crowd the down arrows show you are in the right path ....

haha yes most of the time

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:01 | 4497624 Renewable Life
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Ohhhhhhhh Bammer, this is shaping up to be another fucking major league embarrassment, that will put Syria to bed as a set back!!!

Looks like the Russians are the "good guys" again according to the Ukrainian Military huh????? So those Euromaiden freedom fighters, aren't the Thomas Jeffersons you thought you backed, after all????

Ain't Democracy a bitch Boyz???

God Putin, is having one hell of a good beginning to 2014, they must be just rolling around in the Kremlin laughing so hard, they can hardly see straight!!

And to think, we got 2.5 years more of the current clown show, before we get two choices again for another clown show!!! I gotta buy silver and gold faster!!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:25 | 4497784 disabledvet
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bwhahahahaha. "proceeding like clockwork on all sides."

these folks in Kiev have done nothing wrong. I agree...they have ZERO support in a material sense right now....and forever i imagine.

I guess we'll just have to see how the "deal goes down" before we start writing about how it all will be remembered.
These folks overthrew their dictator.

Bwhahahahaha. "Zero Hedge screams GO DICTATAORS!" Pathetic.

I could actually write a script for "Putin and Co" in order to at least make this look like something that it so obviously is...but why bother?
The irony may be that "the President is having a hard time finding the words too."
Be curious to know if anyone here is from Chicago around here...or even has the slightest clue about Chicago politics. Everything you clowns are talking about here "won't go over very well out there." Even though in practical terms i agree with it 100 percent.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:45 | 4498101 AL_SWEARENGEN
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I'm outside Chicago  The Uks in Kiev that supported the neo-nazis which ousted Ukraine's legitimate leader by force  are idiots.  Life if full of choices and the consequences of them.  Once this battle goes hot Putin will bring the criminals to justice.  Expect public lynchings so the message gets across. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:14 | 4498651 disabledvet
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thanks for the input "from South Side."

According to my sources on the "the North" "it's really quite academic actually."

Down 22 with no up has been pretty good for me of late.
According to the "Fincanical Times of Looooooondon" the "Admiral was fired earlier."

I have no problem with you obeying your elites either...move along.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:30 | 4498034 The.Harmless.Who
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Nice one John!  Glad you put her 'name' in quotes...

 

Here real name is actually Nudelman 

 

She's Zionist cunt (a horrible cunt at that) who has ancesty from the Russian Empire no less, adding to the irony. 

 

Dear oh dear - No wonder America and the wider world are so damned angry.  Goodness!  Now, don't get me wrong, no one is fawning over any world leaders (Putin or anyone else), but they have had enough of the demagogue-ary  spewed to enslave so many people, Obama, Kerry, McStain, Nuland, excuse, Nudelman et al are parasites. 

 

Zionists are running the world into ruins, and it is painful to watch.  Let's look at the three (so-called excecutrive branches of the USA) + one (the Fed) shall we? 

 

The Judiciary - 4 of the 9 Supreme Court Judges are confirmed Zionists.

 

The Legislative - How many confirmed Zionists there? backed by AIPAC, ADL, and countless other lobbies. 

 

The Executive - Well the office of POTUS was littered with Zionists (overtly and covertly), with little shame or respect to the ordinary American. 

 

The Fed - Greenspan, Bernanke, Yellen, Fischer the Israeli (will replace the bitch when she dies)

 

If that piece of precious paper known as The Consititution, could set itself on fire, it would. 

 

And some people still think "Zionism" is about invading parts of the middle east?  Pleaaaaaaaase!  it is a LOT more damaging than that!  

 

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 16:37 | 4498332 Tim_
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, and Elena Kagan are all jews.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:40 | 4498539 ArrestBobRubin
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2% of the population but at least 33% of SCOTUS (many believe the moron Sotomayor is a crypto). What, you got a problem with that?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 19:09 | 4498842 Tim_
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Life story, Israel trips tie Sotomayor to Jews


"Jewish groups don’t endorse U.S. Supreme Court nominees, at least in writing. The tears and choked sobs when Sonia Sotomayor accepted President Obama’s nomination on Tuesday told another story."

"Packed into the room along with Sotomayor’s family, friends and colleagues were representatives of Jewish groups that have consulted with the White House about prospective replacements for David Souter."

"'It was thrilling,' said Sammie Moshenberg, the Washington director of the National Council of Jewish Women."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:12 | 4498453 Rafferty
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Too bloody true mate.  And think back to all the standing ovations the traitorous Congresscritters gave Netenyahu some time back.  Should turn the stomach of any patriotic american

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:47 | 4498560 Rusty Shorts
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@The.Harmless.Who

 

Bingo!!!

 

There is only ONE political party in the World today - The Nazi Party

 

Eustace Mullins explains connection between the
NAtional socialists and ZIonists. The result is a NAZI Party
which rules the world today....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO5sbwGCR7A

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:16 | 4498652 The.Harmless.Who
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Don't know about that Rusty! 

 

However, there's something "funny" about the word Ashkenazi.  

 

Jokes aside, Zionism is a destructive ideology too all - including Biblical Jews (not Talmudic ones - these fuckers are sneaky) 

 

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 20:01 | 4499054 Kirk2NCC1701
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Can someone please explain to me the perverse and paradoxical behavior of the ex-Russian, pro-Zionist smegma-licking lackeys?

Given that under Putin, Russia has been nicer to Jews than anyone else in 400 years, why on earth are they turning on the Russians?  And with such venom and determination?  WTF is wrong with these... 'beings'. 

It's almost as though they won't settle for anything less than being at the top of the 'Totempole', and anything less will result in becoming an enemy.  WTF is going on here?

I swear that fucking Klingons are more reasonable than these Clingons.  [big exhale of exasperation]

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 20:09 | 4499087 Rafferty
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I'm baffled by the same question.   Jews can be totally unreasonable and contrarian even when it's not in their own interests.  Not much of an explanation but it's the best I've got.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:54 | 4498143 SDShack
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The biggest problem was the Western coup plotters only had part of the seige mentality correct. The seige was easy to pull off in a single capital city... Kiev. But the real power (financial, economic, energy and military) in Ukraine is in the South and East, all influenced by Russia. The coup plotters are about to be on the recieving end of the next seige.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:25 | 4498674 disabledvet
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again..."that would be mission failure" on the part of Russia (diplomatically speaking. Obviously i have no access to the orders that have been issued to the Russians troops.)
not to be cold blooded here "but the Russians need a good, clean kill" in order to pull this off.

Digging in around Kiev and "calling up the artillery" is not part of the mission statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:53 | 4498780 Buck Johnson
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The sure are, the West (especially US) is running scared that the Kiev and the west of Ukraine may decide to oust the coup people in favor of Russia.  They are trying everything they can not to get egg on their face.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:35 | 4497574 Buckaroo Banzai
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Well, they don't anymore.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:36 | 4497582 gdogus erectus
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"Run away!"

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:36 | 4497823 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Quick, the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!!  Fetch it now!!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:45 | 4497844 akak
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"Three shall be the number of the counting, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:28 | 4498041 atomp
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Ha, my up was the number three.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:38 | 4497594 knukles
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Seems to me to be a locality phenomenon, like spookiness at a distance.  After all, somewhere else, Johnny Kohn was appointed Chief Spielmaker for America's Whatever Unidentifiable Interests might Be At the Moment, so goes off making Unsolicited Unintelligible but Supposedly Meaningful Weighty Comments.
I mean, if you had to listen to that shit, you'd change sides, too.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:47 | 4497621 Winston Churchill
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Just listened to Horsesass on the Sunday shows,

His tone was plaintive ,and wheedling.

This navy guy prolly watched as well, and it made up his mind to defect.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:27 | 4497793 disabledvet
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"NOW GO AWAY OR WE WILL INSULT YOU EVEN MORE!"

this place makes me laugh too.
I guess at the end of the day we all really have earned this Right.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:18 | 4497758 Crash Overide
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Let me see if I got this right, Johnny Kohn is destabilizing eastern Ukraine?

Damm nazi's.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:31 | 4497798 knukles
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Yeah.
Quantum Physics Locality ...

Kerry spins left and Putin spins right...
Change their directions and it's still all the same.
Interrelated; always seemingly but complimentarily at odds.

Sorta a Basic Quantum Energy Package of the Hegelian Dialectic Somewhere.

And I'll betcha that the OB/Kohn Wave Function is the First to Collapse

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:32 | 4497808 disabledvet
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it is a "little beyond contradictory."
You should see the names of some the Oligarchs actually.

All so very Russian...in a beautiful, terrifying and sad way.
"Here stands History itself...to be relived no matter what."

"Ukrainians are Russians...Russians are Ukrainians"...and that is that.
Move along...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:49 | 4497874 Max Damage
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"- Ukraine fires navy chief, launches treason case."

Does it get anymore fucked up than that from these arseholes???

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:28 | 4498685 disabledvet
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you're witnessing the birth of a nation.
"it looks really funny," i agree. but hey...they know what their job is and are acting on it...so theeeeere you go!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 16:55 | 4498388 SAT 800
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One day on the post is illiterate. One day at his post would be acceptable. Let's not contribute to the slide into generalized illiteracy.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:05 | 4498426 Berspankme
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If you like your navy you can keep your navy(except the captain)

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:34 | 4497568 Atomizer
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Doorstep statement:  http://www.nato.int/

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:48 | 4497630 IridiumRebel
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"We support the right of the people of Ukraine to determine their own future without outside interference."

Paid off thug Nazi ousters....I'm looking at you. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:05 | 4497709 Bunders
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"We support the right of the people of Ukraine to determine their own future without outside interference." - Said

"We also support the right of the western powers to run interference anywhere that fits their long term global strategy" - unsaid.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 20:04 | 4499061 Joenobody12
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Including intereference at the door steps of Russia. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:07 | 4497718 Tim_
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jews are not "Nazis."


Despite calls for neutrality in Ukraine protests, young Jews are on the front lines

"Despite calls by Jewish leaders to remain neutral, young Jews have been on the front lines of protests against Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich."

"Alexandra Oleynikova, a young Jewish activist involved in organizing Limmud conferences, told [The Jerusalem Post] that while some Jews stayed away out of fear, others had flocked to Maidan."

"These Jewish protesters, she said, 'stand there nights and days; they really live there now and they help people who come to find accommodations. They bring food and they collect money.'"

"Some young Ukrainian Jews who work for international organizations such as JDC, Hillel and Limmud are 'really active' in offering support as well as 'organizing the barricades,' Oleynikova said."

"On November 30, when government forces staged a massive push against the barricades, attacking and beating protesters, she said, 'my friends were on the front lines of the fighting against the troops.'"

"Reading about the protests on Facebook and seeing anti-Semitic comments is different from the reality on the ground, Oleynikova added."


Israeli ex-officer leads Ukraine protests: Reports

"According to reports, the unnamed Israeli commands a group of 20 Ukrainian militants."

"Four other Israelis, who had previously served in the army, were recently reported to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev."

"Meanwhile, Ukrainian media said that an Israeli tycoon provides financial support to the opposition in Ukraine, adding that Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency is one of the instigators of the unrest in the country."


Victoria Nuland spoke at the National Press Club on December 13, 2013 - Video

Victoria Nuland (jew) admitted that the US government has spent over five billion dollars to subvert the Ukrainian government.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:19 | 4497743 Bonapartist
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I'm surprised that little shit-stirrer Natalie Portman isn't over there protesting

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:43 | 4498551 Kirk2NCC1701
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She's currenty tied up with her new god: Thor.  Trying to get Asgardians to punish Putin.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:15 | 4497744 ArrestBobRubin
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Let's invoice Kagan and Nudelman and their masters in Israhell for the 5 bill they blew here. I want a refund.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:47 | 4497865 Tim_
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Check's in the mail, ArrestBobRubin.


The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion [2003]

"An estimate of the total cost to the U.S. alone of instability and conflict in the region—which emanates from the core, Israeli-Palestinian conflict—amounts to close to $3 trillion, measured in 2002 dollars. This is an amount almost four times greater than the cost of the Vietnam war, also reckoned in 2002 dollars."

"Even this figure underestimates the costs because certain classes of expenditure remain unquantified. In particular, no reliable figure is available for the costs of 'Project Independence,' Washington's lavishly promoted effort to reduce U.S. dependence on oil from the Middle East. That effort, which was subverted early on by diverse local special interests, was designed primarily to insulate Israel from any new 'Arab oil weapon' after 1973/74, and may easily have cost $1 trillion."

"Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."

"Total identifiable costs come to almost $3 trillion. About 60 percent, well over half, of those costs—about $1.7 trillion—arose from the U.S. defense of Israel, where most of that amount has been incurred since 1973... ."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:02 | 4498417 Tim_
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The ex-Israeli soldier who led a Kiev fighting unit


"'Delta' has headed 'the Blue Helmets of Maidan' of 40 men and women - including several IDF veterans - in violent clashes with government forces."

"He calls his troops 'the Blue Helmets of Maidan,' but brown is the color of the headgear worn by Delta — the nom de guerre of the commander of a Jewish-led militia force that participated in the Ukrainian revolution. Under his helmet, he also wears a kippah."

"'I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me 'brother,'' he said. 'What they’re saying about Svoboda is exaggerated, I know this for a fact. I don’t like them because they’re inconsistent, not because of [any] anti-Semitism issue.'"

"But Delta says the Kremlin is using the anti-Semitism card falsely to delegitimize the Ukrainian revolution, which is distancing Ukraine from Russia’s sphere of influence."

"'It’s bullshit. I never saw any expression of anti-Semitism during the protests, and the claims to the contrary were part of the reason I joined the movement. We’re trying to show that Jews care,' he said."


The jews are harvesting the organs of wounded protesters.

"But Delta has another, more ambitious, project: He and Azman are organizing the airborne evacuation of seriously wounded protesters — none of them Jewish — for critical operations in Israel. One of the patients, a 19-year-old woman, was wounded at Institutskaya by a bullet that penetrated her eye and is lodged inside her brain, according to Delta. Azman says he hopes the plane of 17 patients will take off next week, with funding from private donors and with help from Ukraine’s ambassador to Israel."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:55 | 4498591 Kirk2NCC1701
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FYI... Steven F Cohen (Prof. Emeritus of Russian Studies at NYU and Princeton) was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria on his program GPS on CNN earlier today, and he says that the US Administration and the US Media have it all wrong.  They flashed his article in the magazine "The Nation”:  Media Malpractice -- Putin, Sochi and Ukraine".

He explains that Putin is not anti-West or anti-Ukrainian, but "intensely, historically pro-Russian".  He and the Russian people see his mission as defensive and internal, to "restore Russia from the disaster of 1991".

Cohen: "He [Putin] did not create this Ukrainian crisis, it was imposed on him, and he had no choice but to react".

Cohen: "If you view Putin in the context of Russian history of the last 400 years... Putin is the least authoritarian, let's call him the most soft authoritarian of Russian rulers in centuries.  Putin has been the better for Jews than any leader in Russian history, and if you want evidence of that, just ask Israel."

Zakaria: "What about this Russian neo-Imperialism..."

Cohen: "You and I could argue this for hours, but what if we used the analogy... What if suddenly Russian power suddenly showed up in Canada and Mexico.  And provinces in Canada and Mexico said they were going to join Putin's Eurasian economic union and maybe even his military bloc.  Surely the American President would have to react as least as forcefully as Putin has."

Cohen: "Brzezinski and Albright said, for example, that the current government in Kiev is legitimate.  Putin says it's not legitimate.  I would argue that if you had on your show a panel of Constitutional International Lawyers, they would be hard put to explain how a government which a week ago overthrew the entire Ukrainian Constitutional Order, deposed the elected President, and has been passing anti-Russian legislation in Kiev, and which is at least partially controlled by very extremist forces in the streets, is legitimate.  That would be hard to explain." - Prof. SF Cohen

Zakaria: [pause, deflects] "Well, Steven Cohen, that is a fascinating contrarian point of view."  [Redirects] "Lots more ahead, we're going to go to Kiev and talk to people there and get their views on the subject..." [to reinforce the official meme]

Fuck you, Albright, Brzezinski and Zakaria!  You NWO scum.

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:35 | 4498698 disabledvet
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good questions...thanks for repeating it here...and "see comment below."

Putin has said nothing...so if he's not gonna restore the previous Head Dude who is he gonna put in charge?

Himself? "that sounds authoritarian" to me...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:34 | 4497572 Infinite QE
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This is so awesome. The world has a real chance here to roust the New Bolsheviks from the planet.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:51 | 4497645 skwid vacuous
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They are like herpes, never really go away even after "stinging" defeats... i.e. Bill Kristol

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:56 | 4497911 TBT or not TBT
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They're playing Chicken in Kiev.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:39 | 4498715 disabledvet
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sounds stupid (and excellent up arrows btw) but believe it or not the FT has reported that the White House has a "Chicken Kiev" problem.

Nobody wants to be seen as "weak" here.
This can become VERY dangerous as "lines get drawn" and "positions get set."
All over stupid friggin island.

Oh! Oh! SORRY! A PENINSULA...a "peninsula"
Should China think any different about "their islands" here?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:37 | 4497573 swissaustrian
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Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9efnLV4UY

Translated to English
"I, Berezovsky Denys Valentynovych, pledge allegiance to the residents of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the hero city of Sevastopol. I vow to strictly follow orders from the commander-in-chief of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and hero city of Sevastopol, as well as orders by military commanders appointed by them, demands placed by the military code. I vow to fulfil my military duty properly and bravely defend the life and property of the people of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:57 | 4497677 Schmuck Raker
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Oops, someone forgot to say "hero" on that last mention of Sevastopol.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:09 | 4497725 AynRandFan
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He accepts appointment by Kiev one day, and defects the next. There's a special place in hell for this guy.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:40 | 4497831 disabledvet
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he's not "defecting" you moron. He's a Russian...Ukrainians are ALL Russians.

This is a ridiculous title.
He IS failing to follow orders...so, "there goes the Staff car with the driver" which basically constitutes "his" Navy.

Ahhhh....but for one day...one day...he can say "I was in charge. I was...the LEADER!"

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:43 | 4497845 Schmuck Raker
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"Ukrainians are ALL Russians." LOL.....no, LOL.

Wow, you're batting nearly - 1.000 these days,D-Vet.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:42 | 4498724 disabledvet
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READ THE DIPLOMATIC CABLES.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PUTIN HAS SAID.
"WE ARE ALL KIEV RUS"!!!!

open your heart, open your mind.
these are FEELINGS....very, very, very, VERY dangerous.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:53 | 4531005 Zerozen
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You need a crash course in reading comprehension.

He said that all Russians are Kiev Rus, and not the other way around.

Probably also need a history lesson too, else you'd know that Russia (Moscow) was essentially birthed out of and grew out of Ukraine (Kiev). Many Russians call Ukraine 'Little Russia' and regard it as an ancestral homeland. That's what Putin meant.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:53 | 4497897 mvsjcl
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The exit elevator?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:47 | 4497580 Kaiser Sousa
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fucking U.S.....

sold one too many wolf tickets and now c what ur getting...

a banker controlled government of hypocrits and sociopaths...

and mother fuckers still think their votes gives them choice, a representative government, and a government of the people and for the people...

america is a cesspool.......

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:55 | 4497665 sessinpo
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 Kaiser Sousa    now c what ur getting.. a banker controlled government of hypocrits and sociopaths...

The problem you have having is that you haven't figured out that no matter side you choose, you get banker controlled government of hypocrits and sociopaths. Red pill or blue pill?

This is why central banks and central governments are the problem, not the solution.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:02 | 4497702 Kaiser Sousa
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with all due respect man... u preachin to the chior...

the last time i voted i was 18yrs old...

im now 52...left the MoneyChanger matrix a long time ago...

keep stackin.........

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:34 | 4497790 Kaiser Sousa
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for the mother fuckers who downed me -  KNOW UR SHIT.... i got their blueprint on file.....jerks

“As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world’s most preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievement of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests? “[What we require is] a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States’ global responsibilities.'

exert from "Rebuilding America's Defences", A Report of The Project for the New American Century
September 2000

Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a nonprofit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project. William Kristol is chairman of the Project, and Robert Kagan, Devon Gaffney Cross, Bruce P. Jackson and John R. Bolton serve as directors. Gary Schmitt is executive director of the Project.

"The United States is the world’s only superpower, combining preeminent military power, global technological leadership, and the world’s largest economy. Moreover, America stands at the head of a system of alliances which includes the world’s other leading democratic powers. At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s
grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:18 | 4497995 ArrestBobRubin
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Welcome to the Jew American Century. Such a step forward, who needs all that Bill of Rights crap, eh?.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:19 | 4498000 11b40
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Didn't take long for Bush/Cheney to screw the pooch on that, did it?  They drove us in the ditch, and instead of pulling us out, Obozo is covering us over.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:36 | 4497584 Wannabee
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He found out signing up for ACA was required in Ukranian navy

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:27 | 4497757 Miss Expectations
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 Instead of moving Forward, they're coming about.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:30 | 4497930 Josh Randall
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Wonder if Putin was there to offer him a black n.W.o. Shirt for turning on his friends -- politics has become the new Wrestling style soap opera program since Enron

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:38 | 4497596 FishHockers
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What took him so long? Every body wants to be with the winner. 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:40 | 4497605 Rock the Casbah
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All this makes me think there still might be nukes in Ukraine. The West might be encouraging Russia to secure the east.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:42 | 4497607 ArrestBobRubin
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Well at least we still have the Ukrainian Air Force, right?

Oleg, unleash the biplanes!!!!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:58 | 4497682 cossack55
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Beware of Washing Machine Olga after sundown.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:43 | 4497609 IridiumRebel
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DEFECT. Burn your uniforms and keep your guns hidden but ready. There will be no war with everyone going to Russia. NO WAR!

 

HE WHO DEFECTS FIRST DEFECTS BEST.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:42 | 4497611 SpanishGoop
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Ukraine militairy can move not only unorganized but also fast, i posted this just an hour or two ago.

 

"Sign of the times - this is considered such astounding news, it's being sent as a newsflash by Reuters.

It shouldn't even need stating.

UKRAINE SAYS ITS NAVY STILL HAS FULL FLEET OF 10 SHIPS IN CRIMEAN PORT OF SEVASTOPOL, WHICH HAVE NOT DISARMED AND REMAIN LOYAL TO KIEV"

 

Full fleet of 10 ships and not (yet) defected.

Well, that will help them a lot.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:55 | 4497663 Overfed
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Give it a few more days. Those 10 ships will be flying Russian colors too.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:15 | 4497746 knukles
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How's about already done, would be my guess.
That or a New Flag of the Newly Independent People's Democratic Republic of Crimea.

Gotta ask ya' how much does that look like Russia's flag?
BINGO!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Crimea

Sorta like the back woods of Arkansas where you can marry your half sister and still get a free bottle of Vodka from the Gum Department Store branch since they're not doing that Austerity Thing, Yet.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:43 | 4497843 Overfed
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You'll get no argument from me.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:52 | 4497889 ThisIsBob
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Aside from the fact that the navy is a joke , they will strike the colors a couple of days after they run out of food, as I doubt that Russia will be letting the chandlers deliver supplies to hostile forces.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:57 | 4497667 Overfed
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dupe

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:06 | 4497713 Anusocracy
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Dupes make up 98% of America's population.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:58 | 4497669 Overfed
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Damn duplicate posts. Aarrgh!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:59 | 4497686 HardlyZero
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Are they barricaded in port ?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:06 | 4497716 Joe A
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Apparently they left Sevastopol. They didn't feel like being sitting ducks. Some of them though had to return due to problems. The rest is en route to Odessa where now the Russian flag is flying. Oops, running out of options.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:23 | 4498017 RafterManFMJ
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When in doubt, do what the US Navy Med Fleet does - run aground.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:43 | 4497614 Bunders
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Has the BBC reported on the sinking of any american vessels before they've actually sunk yet?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:27 | 4497792 Crash Overide
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Obama loves to gulf.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:33 | 4497810 1stepcloser
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so far only the USS Bldg 7

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:27 | 4498496 Rafferty
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Touche!

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:49 | 4497636 SpanishGoop
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"BRITISH PM CAMERON SAYS DUE TO SITUATION IN UKRAINE, BRITISH MINISTERS WILL STAY AWAY FROM SOCHI PARALYMPICS"

 

I didn't know you could compete in the paralympics with a mental handicap...

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:58 | 4497655 ArrestBobRubin
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Whew, that's great news! Now no little kids will be molested at the filthy hands of British pedophiles, oops I mean "Ministers".

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:18 | 4497762 knukles
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Sick Fuck

Who could think up such a thing as British upper crust pedophiles taking advantage, molesting, poor helpless dimwit retarded children who could not tell on them if they tried or even knew better?
You'd think the educated Brits took Buggery 101 as a required course in boarding schools.

Todd, have you been using Harry's makeup again?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:19 | 4498001 Winston Churchill
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Eton and Rugby public schools only.

They are the required schools for political leadership.Lousy academically, but

the best 'old boys network' for advancement.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:35 | 4498515 TBT or not TBT
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The fall of the British empire was won in the shower stalls of the locker rooms of Eton.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:56 | 4497671 johnQpublic
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they will be back for special olympics

if they can find their way there

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:13 | 4498458 Berspankme
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Which sport does Cameron participate in- ass licking?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:50 | 4497638 Fractal Parasite
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Mass media in Kiev is claiming that Berezovsky during his one day in charge "told the marines to surrender to Russia, which they refused to do".

Truth or disinfo? Who knows...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:49 | 4498759 disabledvet
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go check their Facebook accounts...probably tell ya' right there.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:53 | 4497651 JPMorgan
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No point risking being slaughtered on the losing side (if it comes down to it).

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:53 | 4497653 Sufiy
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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts - former US Treasury official - has made the best comments on the situation in Ukraine.

 

http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/ukraine-and-peter-schiff-recovery.ht...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:56 | 4497673 ArrestBobRubin
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Here's his interview on KWN yesterday. PCR I love ya bro, but can we please call it Crimea and not "Crimeera"?

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2014/3/1_Dr._Paul_Craig_Roberts.html#

 

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:59 | 4497688 Spastica Rex
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And does Crimea really require a definite article in front of it?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 14:59 | 4497925 Oh regional Indian
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The definitely...

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:06 | 4497953 TBT or not TBT
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When you are are talking about the 19th century war there between czarist Russia, France, and Great Britain, it's "The Crimea". Some 20th century Justin Timberlake character suggested dropping the "the" however.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 15:07 | 4497957 akak
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Whichever temporarily autonomous region that the Russian leadership still assumes to belong to it, or desires to annex, they append a "the" to it, as if to suggest that it is just a region of Greater Russia --- "The Ukraine", "The Crimea", "The Caucasus", etc.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 16:51 | 4498374 Spastica Rex
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I can't imagine anyone saying "The Canada," or "The Germany." I think a definate article in this case requires a subsequent (at least impled) "of" after the noun. The Pacific Northwest of the United States of America.

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 17:40 | 4498542 TBT or not TBT
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"The" Balkans provide the best metaphor here. Not in the archduke Ferdinand reference so much as the dividedness and diversity of pure fail that lie within "Ukraine"

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 18:41 | 4498717 css1971
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Are you sure it's not just a language thing?

In German for example all nouns have a specific definite article. "Die" Tasse, "der" Tisch. It's a royal pain in the arse to remember and frankly I can't, With English everything is "the" so in many cases you can pretty much drop it entirely.

However if you are translating literally from the another language to English, you may find the definite article being included incorrectly or in the wrong place, particularly if English is not the translators first language.

The Russian Language it seems has 6 cases... which is... to put it mildly, perverse. German has 4 and that drives me up the wall, and in fact Russian has no "the, a or an" at all, the definite article is implied in the sentence structure. So the literal translation of "I am in Crimea" from the Russian may end up as "I am in the Crimea" if the translator is unsure about whether the definite article applies.

Then there's the name of the state; The United Kingdom of ... The Federal republic of ... The Autonomous Region of ... But these are Englishisms, not Russian.

BTW, did you know Ukraine literally means "borderlands"?

Sun, 03/02/2014 - 13:55 | 4497664 Fix It Again Timmy
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10 ships?  They could anchor in Moo-chell's ass with room to spare....

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