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Russia Defends Its "Absolutely Lawful" Invasion Of Crimea
Having earlier blasted John Kerry for his "lack of analysis" of the Ukraine situation and noted that China "understands" the Russian perspective, the Russian foreign ministry has issued a further statement defending its actions in Crimea: "...through the fault of the Bandera-type groups and other ultra-nationalistic forces, the measures we are taking are adequate and absolutely lawful."
The measures Russia is taking to defend the population of the Crimea are adequate and lawful, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
It said a legitimate government should be formed in Ukraine.
"We want the situation in Ukraine to get back to normal as soon as possible on the basis of the February 21 agreement, and a legitimate national unity government to be formed that would take the interests of all political forces and regions into account," it said in a statement on Monday.
"In the current extraordinary situation, which has taken shape through no fault of our own, when the lives and security of residents of the Crimea and the southeastern regions have come under threat through the fault of the Bandera-type groups and other ultra-nationalistic forces, the measures we are taking are adequate and absolutely lawful," the Foreign Ministry said.
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On its way to the Black Sea -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSvZG4tQ8Iw
Nah. Let's talk it first.
Well the current situation in Russia right now is like that of a dominant guy (lets name him Ruslan) and a timid girl (lets name her Uksana) who broke up a few years ago, but till now there are still feelings between each other that hasnt completely died out yet. He still care for her and when other no good suiters (like EU and USA) are trying to use her for some 'fun' and 'benefits', of course Ruslan will be pissed off. And after being protective of Uksana, she will realize that Ruslan is a true man and the only one who can protect her and they both decide to take another shot of mending things up. This is a relationship that will always exist, no matter how rocky it is, because they will always need each other in some way or another.
Putin seems to forget that Russia now depends on heavy economic ties to the west. The days of Soviet isolation are over. Is he willing to cut the tie?
There's a difference between trinkets and energy.
Its lawful to break the law if it's in your own interest, just ask Wall St. and Washington re: Iraq.
The Chinese can make anything Europe does and cheaper to boot.
I think the West needs Russia more than the other way around. Look whose got more of the oil and gas.
Europe and the EU need Russian fossil fuels. Rest of the west does not.
Actually, youre right, my mistake. I meant to say West (Europe) as in directly west of Russia within the landlocked continent.
And Russia needs the money that comes from selling those fossil fuels.
Yet.
Uh, hang on there, aren't energy prices underpinned by global supply and demand conditions, including in Europe and Asia? And woudnt the implosion of banks and economies across Europe, nevermind our own direct effects of higher energy prices, pretty much blow our financial systems to bits too?
Note that middle east oil mostly doesn't end up being burned in our hemisphere, but rather physically ends up in combustion chambers in Europe, Japan, and China. But the price we pay is nevertheless dependent on supply and demand from the middle east, and has knock on effects to the price and supply and demand of everything we import and export with those trading partners. For better or for worse we spend a lot of treasure and blood to keep the sea lanes open and some semblance of rule of kleptocracy reigning over there.
Ahhh Crimea a little piece of PARADISE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCt03sFdvg
I can see why the Germans wanted it
"Europe and the EU need Russian fossil fuels. Rest of the west does not."
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Oh, it's a very smart remark - in the style of McCain.
You know what is the global balance of gas-oil energy? You know that today Russia's is number one in the world by oil supply? You know what will happen to the world if we exclude the global balance of oil and gas supplies from Russia?
Let's not forget Wolf, Bear and surplus ammo.
"Putin seems to forget that Russia now depends on heavy economic ties to the west."
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This is for you John Maynard Keynes said such nonsense that "Putin is dependent on the West "? You understand the difference depending sides when one side of the trade gets colored paper , but the other party gets the oil and gas?
West right now teetering on the brink of disaster. Now if Putin announced that Russia refuses to sell its oil and gas for any fiat currency , the entire Western world model of the dollar will be destroyed .
Putin adviser Mr. Glazyev , has long said that Russia should sell its oil and gas, in exchange for gold. You want it? LOL
If "Ruslan" beat "Uksana" to the brink of death when "Ruslan" was about 16 years old, then yes, your analogy holds up.
Someone actually gets Russia. Bravo!
To do what?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/03/john-kerry-all-options-on-t...
Nothing can work outside the Budapest memorandum, signed by the President of the United States.
And how will getting a carrier sunk achieve that?
Budapest memo is BS because Congress never ratified it. I saw Clinton video signing it. Why are all these NWO douchbags left handed? Bush, Clintn, Bush, Obama all lefties - in more ways than one.
Correct. The U.S. has zero obligations under the Budapest Memo.
Freddie
I'm a "lefty"...
So trust me when I say it would be an interesting encounter with my "left hand"..." Mont Blanc suppository ready in the presence of Razorback Boy and Uncle Remus!
Never judge a "lefty" by his cover. These two dick-for-breaths give the "Michelangelo's" of this world a bad name!
2014 Ukraine equals 1938 Czechoslovakia
Tell someone you are going to protect them only to reneg on your deal is a sure fire way to scare the shit out of every other country you signed such a deal with.
So, US armed forces in Germany are all set to roll?
Next question: Have you lost yer friggin' mind?
NATO thrown that through the window by throwing UN Charter through the window when bombed Serbia unilaterally, without permission from the Security Council and "recognized" "independence" of Kosovo (mother of all puppet regimes - essentially heroin mafia in power). Serbia is an UN member, which borders were guaranteed by the said UN Charter.
So, NATO established the precedent and now has to eat it's own dog food.
BTW, Ukraine (EuroMaidan mob) and EU ministers signed an agreement, too and then made a Coup the next day, remember? What about that agreement?
How about the fact that future cabinet members were picked like piglets on a livestock market by foreign diplomats (not elected even in their own country) over unsecured phone conversation? That's soooo democratic and EuroPop, eh?
So, stop whining. It's just nauseatingly hypocritical.
More idiotic pro-Russian bloggers on ZH I see again this morning. The Budapest memorandum ties our hands in a credibilty knot, and it Putin thought we would forget about this to the point of us being embarrassed, think again. Anything is possible if a POTUS is embaased if he does nothing, you pro-Putin people better wake up and realize it soon. Putin says the govt in Ukraine is illegitimate, who is Putin to say anything is illegitimate in another country? What if he pulls that shit on some of the other former republics, all in the name of legitimacy. He took Crimea without negotiation, land that was tendered to Ukraine in 1954 legally. Putin had no intention of negotiating in good faith on the naval base, the original lease expiration was due to expire in 2017, then bumped to 2042 under Yanukoych and now under Russian military control.
Bullshit on those that think Putin holds all the cards, I am not saying the west is all that strong financially, but many countries opposing Putin results in Putin not having a strong hand. He will lose his G-8 status, and revert the entire country back 20 years to when they were looked at with wary disdain in the Soviet era. You do not take stuff by force. All of this could have been avoided with negotiation, but Putin does not seem to want to be talking any more to resolve disagreements. Because he did not negotiate, the Budapest memorandum may well become binding on us, just as much as NATO is. I could give a damn who winds up with the naval base, the overriding issue once more as we all know is the Russian army is back on the march to assert its will. History offers some examples on all of this leading up to World War 2, with the seizure of territory by a dictator. Putin is the problem, not the Russian people.
All Putin has succeeded in doing is wake people up with his Sochi charm offensive, if one could call it that. What a waste of $51 billion by Putin, squandered in just a little over a week. The Olympics are a distant memory now, and Putin is left holding the price tag. I am glad it wasnt us who spent $91 billion in the last 2 Olympics with Beijing in 2008 and then Sochi. They wasted tremendous resources trying to shore up their image.
I can not believe the idiot has forgotten the lessons of Afghanistan, a guerrilla type war in Ukraine will debilitate Russian forces over time and they will eventually leave in disgrace if they go in there. And he has reignited terrorism risks with his behavior, more than before.
Are you an NSA troll?
If POTUS should feel embarrassed it should be because of Victoria Nuland.
You think Putin gives a shit about G8, which should be rather called Paper Dragon's Multi-Trillion Deficit Club.
Did Putin forget Afghanistan? Probably not. But I guess NATO has much fresher memory of Afghanistan. Oh, and Iraq, too.
Putin reignited terrorism? Are you living in Narnia? No one is reported to be even injured so far. However, terrorists are rampant in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan (as a result of heartless Drone attacks on civilians). All the places that USA brought "freedom and democracy" are now lawless death fields.
Guerrilla type warfare? On territory where local population is welcoming Russian soldiers with smiles and cheers? You are delusional. Or NSA troll.
Apparently Obama is only really good at "domestic lying" and not so much at foreign affairs. Where is Dick Cheney? He could lie his way into this thing.
If Cheney doesn't like you he just pumps you full of birdshot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident
If Putin had a Veep, he'd shoot people in the face too.
You mean only Americans fall for his bullshit? Are we really that far gone?
Poor suckers in the US Navy. Cannon Fodder for McCain's NWO bosses and the european bankster families. Just ask the guys on the USS Liberty that McCain's pa sold out. Anyone fighting for the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama- NWO is a sucker.
Any carrier entering the Black Sea violates an agreement with Russia and Turkey. Any carrier going into the Black Sea is a sitting duck. Putin moved SS-400 AA missiles too. F-18's will be picked off easily.
I seem to remember Vlad positioned some ss-22s nearer the western border recently.
Carriers would be magnets for P-800 Yakhont ant-ship missiles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AW1XHUcAsQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPFEpJSRT8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-800_Oniks
While we've been wasting trillions in Iraq/Afghanistan, looks like Russia has been upgrading their military hardware. If Russia becomes closely aligned with China, given China's manufacturing capability, it isn't hard to imagine that it is game over for US/NATO in the next decade.
Ah, the sweet smell of declining (former) superpower in the morning.
Smells like burning bales of fiat.
Or old tires.
never in a million years would they send carriers anywhere near the Black Sea. Thy don't need to anyway - that's where all the bases come in. NATO and Ivan don't get into it over Crimea. Some trade off as to Syria is possible although Ivan may well want to hold the line there as well - Iran is certainly next, and the AIPAC/ADL/CUFI stranglehold on Congress isn't going anywhere.
never in a million years would they send carriers anywhere near the Black Sea.
+1. They'd never put them, in a combat situation, that close to anyone who could actually fight back.
Why would Russia concede anything at this point? They hold all the cards. The West has nothing in reserve - they've used up every bit of leverage the moment they got it, in order to economically exploit their own peoples or nations abroad. The policy of forever applying maximum pressure to everyone everywhere means that there's no next level to escalate to, short of actual nuclear war.
There are two kinds of ships: targets and submarines.
"On its way to the Black Sea -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSvZG4tQ8Iw
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The U.S. Navy has a lot of carriers. Minus one or minus two U.S. aircraft carrier - no one will even notice this small fact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cBvj9R5DYo&feature=youtu.be
boom shaka laka
This will end with Arsenyuk being evacuated by an American submarine.
Check mate Barry
He is going to be mad when he reads about it in the newspapers.
Teleprompter should do fine
Do you ever get the feeling Putin has recruited Obama? Would explain a lot.
This cannot be right. The EU was looking forward to turning the Ukraine into one big Greece and instantaneously increasing unemployment region wide. Who is Russia to deny them that?
This is about the flow of oil, nothing more, nothing less.
I gave you a greenie, however I think it has much more than oil or gas to it.
We are dealing with people who would very much like to dismember and cast Russia aside.
Russia is a huge land, sparsly populated, with enormous raw resoures.
Good thing Valerie Jarrett is around to tell Oblameo and Kerry who is to blame for this unlawful situation.
Damn Tea Party!
One thing I can say about Russia..... At least they had the good sense to cancel the self- congratulatory exercise in mental masturbation known as the Oscars.
Its never surprising anymore that an evening's show devoted to celebrating the entertainment 'arts' continues to be one of the most insipidly boring events of the year.
I've never understood the allure of awards shows from a home viewer perspective. It's insipidly boring for a very good reason, lack of any meaningful alternative.
As for the people who get all wound up about nominations/awards... well, those folks are best avoided as a general rule.
Lurch must be angry enough he'll burst an ugly blood vessel in his face, right under his eye. FIRE, RARRRR!!
Lurching toward War?
Lurching toward Surrender?
It was lawful and has been very well handled by the russians so far. Unlike the actions of our bumbling greedy idiots who caused the whole mess in the first place.
I am really glad I spent the last 3 yrs prepping. I gotta bad feeling about all of this...
The tension is palpable.
Blood red moon, man. Harbinger, man. 12th Imamma, man. The only world-wide disaster that really matters is Obamacare... that and Clinton getting elected in 2016.
If shit doens't unravel before then, I see (s)electing Hiltery as the last straw for a lot of people.
ICYMI:
The problem is of course that they are partly right. The west has opened another Pandoras Box in Ukraine; without thinking too much of the consequences;. Another country dismantled and divided, in the wake of Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq.......hhhhhmmm, something of a pattern emerging there.....a sort of neocon dream.
Gonna need more popcorn.
An uncle after my own fat heart... Imagine it, a beach chair, Dr. Pepper and popcorn, corn nuts for later... in the Valley of Armageddon in Israel... with build-in surround sound. American cultural heaven. It IS just a movie, says Obama...
There's not much we can do short of starting WWIII. I don't really think that the Ukraine is worth destroying the world over.
It's as good a reason as any other.
Subversive Insurgency attrition against Russians?
This may crash the equities market, unless Yellin amps up the presses, of course.
"This may crash the equities market, unless Yellin amps up the presses, of course. "
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Or failure of the petrodollar. If Russia declares that it will be agreed to sell oil and gas for gold only.
"Having earlier blasted John Kerry for his "lack of analysis" of the Ukraine situation and noted that China "understands" the Russian perspective.
China understands but is not going to jeopardize their economy for Russia's Ukraine.
Putin has underestimated the financial harm to his ruble and his economy.
You have underestimated the ability of Russia's people to take a beating.
Legality, alone, cannot be the talisman of moral people. -WEW
The great game is being played in the Ukraine, and Putin is a great risk player.
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2014/03/crying-in-crimera.html
No mention of the US invasions of Kuwai iraq, or Afghanistan. Not saying this is right only that we need some condistency to have any credibility.
What's the point of inventing long range missiles if we end up moving ships to wherever a crisis is? That's like inventing the car then choosing to walk everywhere.
Today John Kerry pointed out to the Russians that you just don't invade a sovereign nation on a phony pretext with the intent of advancing your own interests.
He has a point. What kind of civilized nation would do such a thing?
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Today John Kerry pointed out to the Russians that you just don't invade a sovereign nation on a phony pretext with the intent of advancing your own interests.
He has a point. What kind of civilized nation would do such a thing?"
USA.
Yes... Left that unspoken...
silvermail -- not a total idjut! :>D
"ECB Closely Monitoring Ukraine Crisis Says Draghi"
Oh haha haha haha, oh my sides are hurting, closely monitoring, ROLMAO, that old chestnut!
Bandera = Hero
Bandera = Hero?!
Butcher and murderer of children, can not be a hero.
Seems like a happy guy...
China "understands" this can be used as a precedent for occupation of Taiwan and those pesky islands it has in dispute. So China will back Russia in any international forums.