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Greek Health Minister: "Cancer Not Urgent Unless In Final Stages"

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"If you're sick in Greece, you have an expiration date," is the cheery message from Greece. As WaPo reports, while economists proclaim Europe is turning the corner, a look across the still-bleak landscape, from Greece to Spain, Ireland to Portugal, suggests a painful aftermath, where the plight of millions of Europeans is worsening even as the financial crisis passes with public health being hit in the most troubled corners of the European Union. Greece is the hardest hit and while Greek Health Minister Adonis Georgiadis is attempting to create a fund to help the most acute cases, his concluding remarks are chillingly blunt, "illnesses like cancer are not considered urgent, unless you are in the final stages."

 

Via WaPo,

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In Spain, the government has suspended free care for illegal immigrants, begun charging seniors for a portion of their prescriptions, cut aid to the mentally ill and moved to raise co-payments for medications, prosthetics and some emergency services.

 

In Ireland, state assistance to the disabled has been slashed, and new rounds of cuts this year will remove some medications from the list of drugs covered by public health care while new reviews are being launched to determine whether those receiving free care are truly eligible.

 

Nowhere, however, has the impact been as dramatic as in Greece. Bloated, inefficient and plagued by corruption, the massive public-health system became a top target for cuts, with total health spending slashed by more than 25 percent since 2009, and more cuts are on the way this year

 

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Stung by cutbacks in needle-exchange programs for intra­venous drug users, HIV rates have soared, Greek health officials say, forcing the government to relaunch moth-balled programs last year.

 

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The biggest challenge is a massive increase in the uninsured.

 

Greece offers state-subsidized insurance for the equivalent of several hundred dollars per month. But an unemployment rate that tops 27 percent has left hundreds of thousands without the means to pay. At the same time, eligibility for free indigent care has been tightened, while co-payments for those with insurance have increased.

 

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Greek Health Minister Adonis Georgiadis said that the government is attempting to aid the uninsured, creating a $17.6 million fund for the most acute cases, using money seized in a crackdown on tax evasion. He hopes the fund will be dramatically boosted by the end of the year

 

But Greeks, he said, must also understand that the public-heath system was broken before the crisis by years by mismanagement and corruption. The state was sometimes paying three to four times more than other European countries for certain prescription drugs, with middle men, doctors and pharmacies pocketing the difference. If hospitals are facing shortages, he said, it is because they are having a hard time adhering to more reasonable budgets.

 

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Georgiadis said that emergency cases are still being treated at public hospitals irrespective of insurance status. “But,” he said, “illnesses like cancer are not considered urgent, unless you are in the final stages.”

Welcome to the recovery...

 

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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 02:41 | 4510762 Isotope
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Dear "Health Minister,"

No. Illnesses like cancer are least urgent in their final stages. It's the early stages that are most urgent, if you want any chance for a cure.

It seems like he has just admitted the the Greek health system has become one huge hospice.

Better still, go for prevention, if at all possible.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 03:47 | 4510837 Hobbleknee
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Free ™ Healthcare: You get what you pay for.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:22 | 4510998 Tom_333
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In the final analysis it always boils down to the simple fact that you can not get more health care than you (your personal insurance or increasinglys the tax-funded systestem) can afford.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:46 | 4511023 johnQpublic
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all your death panels are belong to us.

 

 

 

substitute the word america for greece and spain and reread the story

...and get your meds from canada, where fewer middlemen equals cheaper drugs

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 09:20 | 4511158 imaginalis
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"illnesses like cancer are not considered urgent"

 

Unless it's him or his family, in which case, the most urgent private medicine embezzled state money can buy will be implemented.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 09:54 | 4511251 Tom_333
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And...the Americans STILL do not understand that the question of their personal health care has and will be put to popular vote. And we all now how that will turn out. It will take a long , long time before the general population understands that less for him or her does not equate MOAR for me. If ever.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:39 | 4511014 mjcOH1
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"No. Illnesses like cancer are least urgent in their final stages. It's the early stages that are most urgent, if you want any chance for a cure."

 

By 'urgent', he means 'get the available morphine'. The People's Healthcare Ministry will pay for some of that. Everybody in stage 4 gets their ration.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:47 | 4511024 StandardDeviant
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Exactly.  Why is government involved in any way in the provision of health care, or health care insurance?

Why not the Ministry of Food, then?  The Ministry of Toilet Paper?  The Ministry of iPhones?  Has a century's worth of countless failed socialist experiments taught us nothing at all?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 08:03 | 4511042 PHantomofthemarkets
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I have no experience with it myself but I have heard from people who tried it and it does seem to work.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:18 | 4510351 ebworthen
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Well, until the money changers lives are in peril us Serfs will be left to suffer and die.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:29 | 4510382 Grande Tetons
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Suffering costs money, EB. I think TBTB just want to skip the suffering and hop right on to the dying part. 

EBT...Obama phones...all that shit..just little stays of execution. I remember when I was in 4H how I groomed and pampered ole whatsername only to send her to the slaughterhouse. These fuckers are more calculating than a 12 year farmboy...I reckon. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 03:33 | 4510703 Cap Matifou
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Money changers never die from cancer, guess the reason.

"We can cure almost every cancer right now. Information is on file in the Rockefeller Institute, if it's ever decided that it should be released. But consider - if people stop dying of cancer, how rapidly we would become overpopulated. You may as well die of cancer as something else."

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/new_order_of_barbarians.html

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:51 | 4511029 johnQpublic
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kissinger wrote a paper on this in 1974....cant remember the name, but this was covered

 

'short of draconian measures' was the line that sticks in my head from that paper

its 175 pages or so but worth reading....quite a roadmap of everything that ended up happening

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 04:15 | 4510859 A Nanny Moose
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uh...fake disease, and cures cost money. The best cure is prevention. There is 0 dollars in prevention, under the current centrally planned M.O.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:32 | 4512080 detached.amusement
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chi gung, meditation, taiji, and a good diet...best prevention to be found.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 08:23 | 4511064 Sinnedi
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But look at the clothing and outfits you get to wear! You even get to eat mock children .   http://www.hangthebankers.com/photos-from-a-1972-rothschild-illuminati-p...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:24 | 4510360 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Bet it would be pretty urgent if it was him with early stage cancer...
Depending on a bankrupt govt for your health care is never a wise choice. At least us 'muricans aren't dumb enough to do that...oh, wait...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:37 | 4510408 jez
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"illnesses like cancer are not considered urgent, unless you are in the final stages."

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So it becomes urgent only when it's too late to do anything about it?

 

This Health Minister is a natural for the Greek Finance Ministry as well, as soon as there's a vacancy.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 06:11 | 4510946 Bag Of Meat
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2 years ago he was a TV book seller. Seriously. You can find videos of him screaming with his piggy voice, trying to sell books about "the upcoming invasion of aliens"..

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:53 | 4511030 johnQpublic
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So it becomes urgent only when it's too late to do anything about it?

 

yes

thats the way government works

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:33 | 4512083 detached.amusement
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"essence of kick-the-can"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:06 | 4513137 Tom_333
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No - but then it becomes cheap. Relly cheap. Morphine doesn´t really cost many cents per tablet or vial or whatever.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:24 | 4510369 earleflorida
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this is what sibel edmonds calls an, 'Expiration Stamp' on any entity... being a person, place or thing

http://www.justacitizen.com/

note: is anybody out there having problem with keyboard?   just asking 

thankyou Tyler

 

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:55 | 4510439 UselessEater
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A relative in Zim was previously told to bring her own water to hospital, among daily/hourly power cuts and suspected re-used plastic syringes - she was probably safer going to a witch doctor.... the people in Europe under the EU Commission, IMF etc need to realise where they are heading and the people in Aus, Canada and US need to realise they are following the same path unless they are fortunate enough to have assets (capital we're forced to errode to survive not grow to retire on)

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:56 | 4511033 johnQpublic
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safer with a witch doctor

yup

there is a book that covers this well, written by a famous mountain climber after witnessing a man saved on a big mountain....i just packed it away...more to traditional non-medicine medicine than is easily accepted

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:24 | 4510373 The Wisp
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If you Don't like your Health Care....  You Can't Have MY Healthcare....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:25 | 4510375 kchrisc
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Government can only produce poverty, misery and death.

Any belief or faith otherwise is ignorance.

 

 

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:35 | 4510402 Son of Captain Nemo
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Does MYRA cover that? And if you are too young for retirement????

We're living in some "serious shit different times" people!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 04:18 | 4510863 A Nanny Moose
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The answer is always yes. Over-promise, under-deliver is a sure path to re-erection.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:36 | 4510406 NoWayJose
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And how much do you expect the US government, with $17 trillion in debt, will be able to pay for YOUR healthcare when you need it.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:41 | 4510418 Ms No
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If their health care system is anything like ours they may just be lucky to be denied.  They could always come here to get radiated and poisoned on the tax payers dime.  Probably throw some sweet scripts in there too.  Had a friend recently get put in a wheelchair from a statin medication.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 01:30 | 4510655 drstrangelove73
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Whoa.New low in incoherence.
Cancer treatment=statin myopathy...
Sounds like you are a victim of our public education system; or do you live in Colorado?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:59 | 4511035 johnQpublic
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the greatest human being i have ever known died of the chemo, after beating the cancer

we all miss you pete millard

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:44 | 4510421 Ms No
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I have been having some interesting glitches and actually everytime I try to comment on earlflorida's comment I get that "are you sure you want to leave this page"

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:50 | 4510428 ebworthen
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That means you have typed something in the comment or reply window and are trying to leave the page, such as hitting "Backspace" while typing.

Only click on the "Save" button to submit, see if that helps (?).

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 08:02 | 4511040 johnQpublic
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i have had some interesting glitchez while attempting to comment

look right at the keyboard to see i'm hitting every letter, and still get bolloxed words strung together

not happening with this particular story, nor does it happen when i'm doing other work, so it is not the keyboard

reminds me of the story of the guy writing about snowden who watched his story self delete as he was writing it

and what with the watchers watching, it makes me wonder

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 00:28 | 4510525 Emergency Ward
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Are you sure?

usually you do want to leave...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 23:48 | 4510425 Colonel Klink
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This is the future of Obamacare!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 00:32 | 4510545 Element
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You think it's going to have a future mien colonelle?

OBAMAcare ... first repub prez comes along will turn it into smashed-crab, just to get rid of the name.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 00:40 | 4510570 KickIce
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They'll make you wait until you're in pain then prescribe a month of painkillers for false hope and when that runs out they'll put you down like a death row prisoner with some form of lethal injection.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 00:06 | 4510480 NOZZLE
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I got a terminal case of Sphynctos Blastosis from eating at Chipotle. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 00:27 | 4510527 Idi_ocracy
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Greece could reduce HIV rates if they just gave all the unemployed free weed, that would probably keep a lot of people from using hard drugs.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 05:39 | 4510925 effendi
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Better yet supply plenty of hot shots onto the black market. If people are stupid enough to do heroin then let them kill themselves faster.

If you give out free weed then there will be plenty of permanently stoned people.

If you want weed then buy (or grow) your own, what takes time/effort to obtain is appreciated more.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 00:42 | 4510576 Schmuck Raker
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"If you're sick in Greece, you have an expiration date,"

...unlike milk.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 01:40 | 4510668 LetsGetPhysical
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Coming to a socialist utopia near you.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 06:56 | 4510974 Escapedgoat
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The said Minister (In death row, when things change, from what I hear) is NOT  a socialist.

He started with HARD CORE RIGHT WING (LAOS Party) of the same Cancerous Political Bird as the LEFT WING Pasok or any Party in that Brothel called Parliament.

Same shit as in ALL Representative "Democracies" or "Republics"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:23 | 4511000 Tom_333
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Forward!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 01:42 | 4510674 I Write Code
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Cancer not urgent unless it's mine.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 01:42 | 4510675 Zgangsta
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That claim isn't really untrue.  Statistically speaking, for those diagnosed with an early stage cancer, the prognosis doesn't change all that much if you wait a month or two before starting treatment.

As cancer diagnosis can be rather tricky, it is better to delay treatment for the purposes of getting the diagnosis right than to rush into treatment for the wrong disease.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 02:54 | 4510781 Isotope
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Depends. CML in a blast crisis ain't gonna wait. Lots of prostate cancers, yeah, I agree.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 03:14 | 4510803 piliage
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Ugh. Regardless of the prognosis, when it goes metastatic the costs of treatment skyrocket. It is MUCH cheaper to treat in early stages. This is an insane policy.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 04:49 | 4510882 Zgangsta
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Of course, I was speaking in broad terms. If you've got Burkitt's, then yes, you should start chemo immediately. But for most cancer diagnosis, a few weeks won't make a difference.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 07:26 | 4510978 piliage
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A health minister is saying not to treat until 'final stages'. Late or 'final' stage cancer means it has spread, this is a clinical definition.

If he actually said this, even if it isn't what he meant, then he is incompetent and has no place as a health minister.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 02:34 | 4510755 Peter Pan
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These politicians think that southern Europe is turning the corner because they are looking at things from a different angle. If they looked at things from the ordinary man's point of view they would see that the corner is really an edge and that the whole area is going over it.

But when you have a fat salary, are given police protection and a raft of other benefits its hard to understand what your fellow human being is going through.

In any case the Greek Health Minister is already known as an asshole in his own country.

God forbid, but when someone makes such provocative statements they are inciting the powers to be to respond.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 03:18 | 4510809 q99x2
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Same here. It is really hard to get disability with stage 4 cancer.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 03:20 | 4510814 skistroni
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Indeed, we used to wish good health to our friends and relatives. Now Greeks commonly wish "don't get sick" because we are very well aware that getting sickcare in one of the public hospitals is a greater danger than any virus would represent. Hospital infections are so common and doctors lack the most basic of supplies. Add to that the fact that staff is underpaid and ever the less unwilling to go the extra mile which is required in most urgent cases, and you have a death machine. 

If you've read Radical Marijuana's posts and you can't grasp what they mean, come to Greece. Health Ministry is now a Death Control Ministry. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 06:13 | 4510948 Bag Of Meat
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Ministry of Love

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 06:07 | 4510943 Rising Sun
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Line up and die healthcare.

 

In the cases of cancer, you are better off googling for answers.

 

Iodine levels and ph of the body - two of the keys to curing this on your own

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 09:17 | 4511151 AdvancingTime
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The cost of healthcare is the main reason many politicians will soon embrace the ideal of euthenasia, Most people would prefer to live a long life, but not too long. There is nothing wrong with a dignified death after a long life. The mores of America are rapidly changing according to those who only a decade ago thought that gay marriage and gays in the military would never become accepted.

Sadly ideas like euthanasia and even discrete breastfeeding in public still drives many Americans crazy. With people living longer and technologies ability to extend a persons life well beyond where they feel it has any "real quality" the issue of euthanasia will not go away. More on this subject in the article below,

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/12/dignified-death-after-long-life.html

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 09:20 | 4511160 I need Another Beer
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Palin was right again

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:51 | 4511463 speedyves
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Greek people will be helped with the tax cheaters' money! Now you know why you must pay your taxes!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:16 | 4511638 ZKnight
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That's good news, it may force them take health into their own hands and not rely on the corrupt Health Insurance & Medical systems.  I healed myself of what doctors called an uncurable disease by simply learning about natural health, something governments & doctors can never teach you.  We are natural beings, not drug machines, when will people learn drugs kill?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:29 | 4512068 Nue
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I guess this is what happens when you finally run out of other peoples money.

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