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It Begins: Gazprom Warns European Gas "Supply Disruptions" Possible

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We had previously warned that Putin's "trump card" had yet to be played and with Obama (and a quickly dropping list of allies) preparing economic sanctions (given their limited escalation options otherwise), it was only a matter of time before the pressure was once again applied from the Russian side. As ITAR-TASS reports, Russia's Gazprom warned that not only could it cancel its "supply discount" as Ukraine's overdue payments reached $1.5 billion but that "simmering political tensions in Ukraine, that are aggravated by inadequate economic conditions, may cause disruptions of gas supplies to Europe." And with that one sentence, Europe will awaken to grave concerns over Russia's next steps should sanctions be applied.


It would appear this is the most important map in Europe once again...



Some recent history...

In late January, Ukraine asked Russia for deferral of payments for gas supplied in 2013 and in early 2014. President Vladimir Putin said Ukraine’s debt totalled $2.7 billion then.

and then...

On March 1, Gazprom’s spokesperson Sergai Kupriyanov said the gas holding could cancel its gas supply discount for Ukraine as its overdue debt for gas reached $1.5 billion. This figure includes debts not only for last year’s supplies, but also for the current deliveries.


"The situation with payments is worrying," said Andrei Kruglov, Gazprom's chief financial officer.

"Ukraine is paying but not as well as we would like it to. We are still thinking about whether to extend the pricing contract into the next quarter based on current prices."

And now today...

Russia’s gas giant Gazprom said on Monday it did not rule out possible disruptions of gas supplies to Europe over Ukraine’s political situation.


Simmering political tensions in Ukraine, that are aggravated by inadequate economic conditions, may cause disruptions of gas supplies to Europe,” the monopoly said in its materials, adding that it would do its utmost to reduce export risks.


“We will further invest into other export-oriented projects such as South Stream and will enhance our LNG (liquefied natural gas) production and export capacity. We also increase our access to underground gas storage facilities in Europe.”


Andrei Kruglov, Gazprom’s chief financial officer, said at the moment Russia had been supplying gas to Ukraine according to schedule, although the latter failed to fulfil its debt obligations.

With that last sentence providing exactly the 'real world' cover Gazprom needs to cut its supplies "through" Ukraine and thus to Europe...

And, as The Guardian notes, this would...

not the first time Russia has used gas exports to put pressure on its neighbour – and "gas wars" between the two countries tend to be felt far beyond their borders. Russia, after all, still supplies around 30% of Europe's gas.


In late 2005, Gazprom said it planned to hike the price it charged Ukraine for natural gas from $50 per 1,000 cubic metres, to $230. The company, so important to Russia that it used to be a ministry and was once headed by the former president (and current prime minister) Dmitry Medvedev, said it simply wanted a fair market price; the move had nothing to do with Ukraine's increasingly strong ties with the European Union and Nato. Kiev, unsurprisingly, said it would not pay, and on 1 January 2006 – the two countries having spectacularly failed to reach an agreement – Gazprom turned off the taps.


The impact was immediate – and not just in Ukraine. The country is crossed by a network of Soviet-era pipelines that carry Russian natural gas to many European Union member states and beyond; more than a quarter of the EU's total gas needs were met by Russian gas, and some 80% of it came via Ukrainian pipelines. Austria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Poland soon reported gas pressure in their own pipelines was down by as much as 30%.

Short of an actual war, the consensus appeared to be, Europe's gas supplies are unlikely to be seriously threatened (since Putin relies on those revenues)... that is clearly about to change with Gazprom's comments.

As the following image from Agence France Presse (created at the end of last year) indicates, things are about to get a lot more problemati for Germany, France, and Italy...


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Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:07 | 4505310 QuickFrozen
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Get ready for a nuclear war.

All Russian forces are moving to the Ukrainian border. Ukraine is the first, the next will be Europe and the U.S..

Lunatic Putin has staked to win the war with NATO this year and he wants to launch a nuclear strike.

He wants to rule the world.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:09 | 4505315 90's Child
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Fuck it, and the hawks in Washington.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:20 | 4505341 Pool Shark
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Most famous classic blunder:

"Never get involved in a land war in Asia."


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:30 | 4505361 Freddie
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Anyone see some of the shit these Russians are moving.  Loads of helicopters, SS-400, trucks, APCs.  They get a lot of bang for their buck for $85 billion while the USA wastes like $12 billion on one carrier or 20 piece of shit defective F-35s that don't work.

Good luck sending in an army to take on these guys.  These kids in the Russian army look like Americans kids circa 1950s.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:38 | 4505388 Anusocracy
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How many months of staging did it take for the Gulf War?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:47 | 4505408 DoChenRollingBearing
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My take for what it's worth (not much):

Russia gets Crimea.  They will probably get Eastern Ukraine.

Russia gets Belarus (I doubt anyone will argue this one).

Russia gets the "stans".  Why should we care, what could we do?

Russia gets the Caucasus. Iran's & Turkey's problem.


Russia does not get the Baltics, nor Poland <-- they will fight.

Russia does not get Mongolia, the USSR "had it", but now it's China's turf.


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:48 | 4505419 mrmister
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Russia gets Europe too. Who is going to fight for Europe? Most of their population are foreigners anyway.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:58 | 4505451 Arius
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people ... people ... dont look at these like Russia get this and we get this .... it is not us ... capish???

its the big people ... we are little people .... big difference .... get it???

i know you have been told different that you got the power to this and that, but you dont .... just try to pay your bills in time .... and do not, i repeat do not even try to loss your job/

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:17 | 4505500 mrmister
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"i know you have been told different that you got the power to this and that, but you dont .... just try to pay your bills in time .... and do not, i repeat do not even try to loss your job/"



Wow you must have got hold of some powerful Colorado Weed. Or your a govt employee. Because you went off topic.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:21 | 4505513 Arius
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off topic?  just replied to your and previous comment ...

you got a long way to go it seems to me ...if you believe in quality and all that so be it.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:41 | 4505560 ACP
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So what were we talking about? Sorry, I was distracted by the "Date Arab Girls" ad off the main page.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:36 | 4505638 Independent
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Saw an interesting post and here is what he said:

"Brian Ostrander · Top Commenter · Future Sailor at U.S. Navy

Basically since the end of the Soviet Union, the US stepped up its efforts in the Cold War and took advantage of the situation in Eastern Europe to absorb as many countries as possible into NATO in order to push forward that line of contention that had previously been know as the Iron Curtain. With NATO on Russia's doorstep, the US and others would be much safer, knowing that Russia would find it harder to defend themselves with the decrease in strategic depth and the increase in NATO members that might fight them in the event of a war. But the US didn't stop there, and has been continuously trying to get nations like Ukraine and Georgia into NATO in an effort to continue the encirclement of Russia, effectively decimating their defensive position in the event of war.

One of the key requirements for membership into NATO is having 100% sovereignty in all claimed regions and no border disputes, as that is something that can easily drag NATO into an unnecessary war. Georgia notoriously lacked this one requirement. After supporting Georgia's government and training and equipping its military, NATO was likely hoping that Georgia would be able to "solve" its breakaway region problem "on their own". Unfortunately, this plan was obvious to Russia, who in turn backed the breakaway regions in an effort to block Georgia from gaining NATO membership. So, in 2008, Georgia launched an offensive to take back the breakaway regions, especially South Ossetia, which was essentially a big hole in the middle of the country. That region, however, was protected by Russia peacekeeping forces (basically trigger forces) who were there to attempt to keep both sides from attacking each other, which was a constant thing. The Georgians attacked these forces in their assault, thus triggering Russia's response. The Georgians weren't able to block the Russians from invading, and the war was lost pretty quickly. So Georgia seems to be a no go for NATO for the foreseeable future.

Ukraine, on the other hand, had already had a near miss when the western-backed Orange Revolution succeeded several years ago. However, it was short-lived as the Russian-backed counter-operation took back control of the country. Now, this new revolution has just formed a pro-West/US/EU/NATO government, and, taking advantage of its current weak position,

Russia seems to be taking away Ukraine's ability to join NATO by taking Crimea (whether to be annexed or to be made into a puppet state). So, even if the new Ukrainian government lasts, it won't be able to further NATO's encroachment on Russia.

I don't see much we can do, in all honesty. Well, war is an option, albeit a terrible one.

 On an entirely unrelated note, the Russian VMF Marines look really spiffy this time around compared to 2008....."

Now he makes sense but I think we have been poking the Russian Bear a bit too much.  So we the USA can be withing a few hundred miles of their military bases but they dont have that luxury with mainland US bases.  Also after the breakup the Russians wanted to join the western club but we kept them at arms length while we greedily looked upon their natural resources hoping the Russians would fragment and fall apart so then it would be easy pickings.  ILL WILL comes back to haunt and karma is a bitch.  Maybe the Russians will be the ones to have a ringside seat as we implode economically just as they did once.  Also one more thing, I dont think it will Crimea that the Russians will use but rather the Odessa region, since it has the only other port Ukraine can use and it also links to a big Russian population in the breakaway moldovan republic known as Transniester which has been rather isolated.  I think the Odessa region which is more than half Russian will break away from Ukraine and be the chess piece used to keep the Ukrainians in 'CHECK'. because in their drive to join NATO they may realize that Crimea is never coming back and it was never part of Ukraine really.  Odessa would really hurt them because every country needs a decent port, and Odessa is their only other one outside of Crimea, not only that but it is know to have the hottest girls in Ukraine.  Now no Ukrainian would want to give that up to join NATO and those overweight smoking Euro girls that look like Merkel lol

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:43 | 4505823 fjupiter
Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:39 | 4505882 jeff montanye
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i don't always agree with you but that link seems apropos.

telling russia that it will be squeezed out of the dollar market, especially considering the "changes" in the iran sanctions last fall, may be far more harmful to the u.s. than russia.  for a possible scenario, see

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:42 | 4505888 Arius
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You suckers!

PutIn now you dont have the balls to do just that do you?  i didnt think so .... this is the big leagues ... back to the dacha and fighting with the tartars....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:57 | 4505911 ParkAveFlasher
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Fuck yeah, arius!  /s

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:36 | 4505642 Kirk2NCC1701
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There are still a lot of US people and careers made from the old Cold War days, so it is not surprising that people still flock to those paradigms.

Fact is, Russia does not need to go to those lengths to achieve the real strategic objective of value: getting the Dollar to lose its GRC status first.

After that happens, all sorts of bets are off. The US/Fed knows this, and are trying to delay the inevitable.

The EU is part of the Eurasian landmass, resources, capital and markets, and players like Russia, China and Iran simply need to "play nice" with the EU to sink the demand for the USTs and the QE-to-infinity Dollar.

Tick, tock Fed, tick tock MIC, tick tock EBTs, tick tock Wall St. When you can't afford good shit anymore, withdrawal and detox are a bitch.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:50 | 4505779 Squid-puppets a...
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exactly. The CIA wasted 5 billion here. Whats the best outcome? a pro west ukrainian govt? So what - it still has to buy its gas off the Bear.

and now the bear is awoken and pissed

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:19 | 4505856 Supernova Born
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They fucked with Misha while the bear was hosting the Olympics, shedding a tear and playing nice.

Now Misha, still being a bear, but moronically, pointlessly baited by shitty little (yes, them) dogs, is going to rip their face off, if required.

Watching Putin hang his multi-kilo brass balls off a chair and tell the world how it is going to be was refreshing. If not refreshing, at least REAL.

Darwin lives. Putin is Darwinian reality made manifest.

Ukraine, choose wisely.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:44 | 4505402 Normalcy Bias
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Their fighters are built to be able to take off from improvised airfields, and can even withstand sucking a bolt off the runway through the engine with no appreciable damage. I just read where the F-22 takes 30 hours of maintenance per hour of flying time. Anyone see a problem?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:16 | 4505504 laomei
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From what I understand, the appreciable difference is that the US engines are designed to last and require endless maintenance.  The Russian engines are designed to last for a while and then be swapped out entirely.  

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:41 | 4505768 Urban Redneck
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Consumers of Russian military hardware (both foreign and domestic) have to pay for it with money that doesn't grow on trees, that does have consequences.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 08:25 | 4505989 DeadFred
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Everyone raise their hands if they think a conflict between Russia and the West will last long enough that maintenance will be a big issue.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:56 | 4505432 astitchintime
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Well YEAH, because they are all on the same land mass ... read continent!  Helicopters, trucks and armoured personnel carriers only WORK if you can roll them to the intended destination.

And please get over yourself on the constant reference/link to the F-35.

EDIT  and fighters are sooo yesterday!  We have drones now !!


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:21 | 4505748 Element
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They're gonna build ~2,600 F-35s. There will be ~4,000 manned tactical fighters in the US military for ~30 years.

And you don't seem to realize that drones are a very limited neiche capability, and highly vulnerable to electronic attack. They are primarily used as electronic support aircraft.

You also don't seem to realize that the bandwidth needed to operate them, and their sensors, and their weapon datalinks, is very limited, very expensive to obtain and maintain in service, globally, 24-7.

Drones crash very often.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:15 | 4505502 fudge
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These kids in the Russian army look like Americans kids circa 1950s

An oldie but a goodie :-)

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:00 | 4505594 ForTheWorld
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It looks like fun, but it's still propaganda.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:42 | 4505652 2¢Wurth
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Yeah, and when they get done the damn thing shoots in mud, sand, snow and what have you.  The M-16 takes twice as long to field strip, needs very good ammo to fire faithfully, easy to clog the gas tube and cleaning is a must on a regular basis.  By the way, that's a AK-74, the modern version, not the hokey stuff you see the African insurgents carrying around.  They make their armored personnel carriers like that too - de-tuned engines will run on carrot juice, are environmental nightmares, clunky, loud and grossly uncomfortable, but they cost a fraction of a US model.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:50 | 4505663 Herd Redirectio...
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Different priorities.  Like the story about NASA designing a 'zero-G space pen', and the Russians using a pencil.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:38 | 4505697 Wraith
Tue, 03/04/2014 - 08:28 | 4505995 dtwn
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And now que the map of the proposed Nabucco Pipeline.  How long before the situation in Syria is escalated once again?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:45 | 4505386 Normalcy Bias
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Oh shit. Did Barry not learn how to handle this kind of situation in Alinskyite Ghetto Agitator School before he became our illustrious First Black President? Uh oh!

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:47 | 4505416 Tabarnaque
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No shit. A Nobel Peace Price who might be responsible for a nuclear war... I vomit on all the neo cons in Washington DC.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:30 | 4505536 williambanzai7
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You didn't earn that medal...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:23 | 4505859 nmewn
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It was like an Affirmative Peace Action or sumpin.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:47 | 4505895 negative rates
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Just like you didn't earn that chest to pin it on. /sarc

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:38 | 4505549 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Thank god none of the Russian speaking supporters of Putin within the Ukraine use natural gas. They must have direct connections to the Nuclear reactors or is Putin willing to deny the peace loving Russian people of Ukraine natural gas to heat their homes?  I thought Putin was there to help.



Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:49 | 4505657 2¢Wurth
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Hey.  Ukraine is the one who said they were going to cut back 80% on 1 March.  My apartment is heated (like all Ukrainian apartments) by a boiler in the basement.  It gets below freezing each night (-4ºC tomorrow) and they keep just enough heat going to prevent the pipes from freezing in the walls.  Makes things nice and cozy!  Fortunately I am decadent enough to have bought a heat pump that works to well below freezing, so as long as the reactors keep making electricity I can stay warm.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:40 | 4505553 Kaiser Sousa
Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:46 | 4505829 silvermail
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Putin's adviser on economics Sergei Glazyev said:
- Russia will abandon the dollar.
- And also Russia will create its currency system , together with China and other countries.
- And also Russia will abandon all public U.S. Treasuries.
- And also Russia will refuse to return any U.S. loans.
- And also Russia will arrest all assets of the United States and the West.
- And also Russian will stop all Russian oil and gas supplies to Europe. Oil and gas from Russia will go to China.
- And also Russia already has banned the import of meat from the United States.
Goodbye dollar, hello gold. Goodbye to the United States and the West, hello China and East.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:52 | 4505902 jeff montanye
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that link didn't do much for me but the points you make seem rather likely.  russia and china probably have at least as much gold reserves as they claim, unencumbered.  not to mention a fair slug in the ground. 

do the u.s. and europe?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:21 | 4505348 Anusocracy
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Well, nuclear war is a surefire way of getting rid of the Fed and the reserve currency status.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:49 | 4505423 Tabarnaque
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We'll all be back using sea shells for trading after that...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:40 | 4505554 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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You have not been paying attention: Gold and silver Bitch!

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:32 | 4505872 Tabarnaque
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It might take a few thousand years before we re-discover gold again. But rest in peace as it is ikely that it will take much longer before we re-invent paper again... ;-)

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:12 | 4505317 Freddie
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The World Is Not Enough

Oddly enough the movie was about gas pipelines going through disputed territories near Russia.  One of the better Bond songs but it is all Mi6 Red Shield BoE Zio propaganda BS but the great Cubby made good money off it.

Putin's cool.  McCain, Obama, Kerry, Nuland and the rest of the RINO NeoCons and Democrats are scum.

Moving those trucks.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:57 | 4505723 zhandax
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I think it was Cubby's daughter who made good money off it.  The ol boy has been dead for nearly 20 years.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:13 | 4505322 TungstenBars
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Putin had to defend his people.

this, among several other atrocities of russians and jews, were conducted by the supporters of stepan banderas. The western ukraine nationalists (nazis) you hear about in the news are bandera idolizers. The have a paramilitary wing numbering in the 10's of thousands today and are the ones responsible for most of the violence in Kiev. While there are many Ukrainians who wanted a new gov, the people to actually start shooting and torching buildings were these bandera idolizerz.

They hate russians. This is the reason Russia has decided to step in. Europe is not a simple place, there are many factions and some very violent ones that we do not learn of in schools but must educate ourselves about.  

Here is an article from USAToday from January title: 15,000 Bandera Nationalists march in Ukraine.


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:19 | 4505329 Freddie
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They are some bad people.  I saw somewhere else that NATO uses them as mercenaries worldwide for the nastiest, dirtiest and most evil jobs.  Sickening.

Some of them were fighting with the Islamists in Chechnya.   It was not enough for them to kill Russians but to torture them before they killed them.  Do I believe it? Well they are Zato stooges so yes.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:23 | 4505353 Tracerfan
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The West Urkainian neo-Nazis that the US/EU have funded, possibly armed and unleashed are the European version of Al-CIAda.  Crazy and deadly.  They want to kill all Russians, Belarussians, Poles and Jews, as their fathers and grandfathers did.

This is the biggest F*ck up imaginable.  Nuland and her masters bear the responsibility.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:52 | 4505660 Kirk2NCC1701
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95% of expats from Russia or the old Iron Curtain countries just want to leave all the baggage and shit behind.

Then there's the fucked up 5% who just can't or won't let go, and want to exact some kind of revenge. They were sick fucks back there/then and their spawn are sick fucks today: "The sins of the fathers shall visit their children, even to the fifth generation" it is written.

That includes all those who are now Neocons in high places in the West (mostly in the US). You can spot them quite easily, and (unfortunately) these high-profile cunts and cocksuckers end up tarnishing all those expats.

They need to be ID'd, called out and neutralized for the hate mongers they are.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:19 | 4505339 Independent
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The Euros are already ballking at any sanctions, I mean really think about how your day would do if you had to wait half the day in line for gasoline, or if there was no gasoline, you would be stuck home everything would grind to a halt.  Also gas powers electric power generation.  Or no gas to cook or to heat your water with.  I guess you could eat stuff raw but cooking makes up to half of the proteins and starches available to your digestion, otherwise they would be lost at the other end.  Basically the Russians keep the Euros alive and running, the Euros better watch their tongues otherwise the EU will get Fucked.  And what difference does that make.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:24 | 4505354 Freddie
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Normally I would say it is a BS move by the Russians.  However, the Europeans know this was a total criminal acts Nuland, McCain, Obama, State Dept., NeoCons and other hidden characters.  The Russians or somebody busting Nuland with her "F the EU!" phone call. 

The Europeans were probably semi minor co-conspirators but they need to bust the USA for this shit.  Sing like a freaking canary and out who was behind this - because we know who it was.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:43 | 4505772 DavidC
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Spot on Freddie. I've been talking with people who are going on about Putin invading Ukraine who think it's all down to him, and they seem not to believe me when I say it's down to the Americans. I'm not partisan either way but the truth is there.


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:49 | 4505896 negative rates
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Just tell me a story, you know the one I mean.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:29 | 4505360 TheMeatTrapper
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Yep, and Europeans aren't exactly into self reliance and prepping. 

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:57 | 4505670 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yup, they figure they've fought enough, and would rather make smart choices.

They won't sacrifice for Ukrainians, and certainly not for Obama and his Neocon masters.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:42 | 4505889 nmewn
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The EU getting 25% of its gas from Gazprom doesn't seem very smart to me. Of course (Germany for instance) going full green retard was nothing short of brilliance ;-)

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:05 | 4505479 hobopants
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Wow, we invade Iraq for the hell of it and then get upset that Russia is trying to protect other Russians in a country hostile to them. I'm no Putin lover, but I think he should be applauded for showing the restraint he has, we would have rolled over the country by now claiming terrorism or WMDs or some shit. 

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:00 | 4505786 GCT
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Spot on Hobopants!!

I happen to love the good ole USA.  Anyone with a fucking brain these days should look in the mirror and STFU about Putin occupying Crimera.  I too have no love for Putin but Kerry, McCain, and our president forget about diplomacy and the art of statemanship.  Talking about calling the kettle black! Please! We would have took out their air defense systems, bombed the shit out of their infrastructue, military bases, and then invaded.  Rinse repeat as we have been doing for the last couple of decades. 

I do not support the invasion of any country and putting our anti-war veteran Kerry out there calling  for severe consequences for Russia is a joke on all of us.  The EU is toothless and will not sanction the hand that supplies basically most of their energy to fuel their economies.  Germany was and is looking East as the EU cannot buy their fine products.  Energy is the new weapon of choice and the USA cannot supply the EU with limitless replacement supplies of energy if they sanction Russia.  We simply cannot do it anymore.  This whole incident will end up backfiring on the USA as we continue to sabre rattle.  Militarily speaking we should take a look at how the operation is being conducted without a shot being fired or anyone killed yet from this playbook.  Dam smart move from Russia. 

Putin trumped the EU and its master the USA.  Remember if it was the USA invading many would already be dead as we bombed the shit out of them first, then moved in.  We invade foreign countries all the time killing thousands.  All in the name of the war on terror.  Putin invades and no one dies and it is a world crisis.  I am so sick of it to be honest.  I would pull our troops out of Europe and let them spend their own money on defense.   

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:46 | 4505824 LeftyGoldblatt
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Bandera must be a vote winner? Victor Yushchenko made him a "Hero of Ukraine"


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:54 | 4505836 silvermail
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Bandera is hero?

Butcher and murderer of children can not be a hero.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:35 | 4505871 LeftyGoldblatt
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Indeed. Why on earth does the West involve itself in this complicatied historical region?

In the case of USA - Can it be as simple as the civil population have no experience of modern warfare? Europeans must know fully well what horror bombing cities can do on civil populations - and so they should have a less cowboy attitude to creating wars?

But surely the american elites must partly comprise older europeans who emigrated - and who lived through WW2 inside the european theater? Does that mean they are compassionate? Or does it mean they have old scores to settle, from safety afar?

The revolution in maidan square has been hijacked by extremists and they must separate themselves from violence - or else history will tarnish the peaceful protestors with the actions of the rioters and the extremist actions which may be still to come.

I claim they need to have peace rallies going forward, not protests. And in doing so present a fully inclusive future for all peoples of ukraine.


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:33 | 4505338 ZakuKommander
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Sarah "QuickFrozen" Palin, welcome to ZH!

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:28 | 4505640 BustainMovealota
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Jack Daniels if you please

Knock me to my knees

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:40 | 4505700 mt paul
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russian oil refinery 

up in flames ..


strange days

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:25 | 4505754 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Lunatic Putin has staked to win the war with NATO this year and he wants to launch a nuclear strike.

He wants to rule the world.

Are you saying he's wrong to play the game like an American would?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:34 | 4505814 Notarocketscientist
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Nuclear War is a distinct possiblity -- but you should BLAME AMERICA.  


Fuck Obama - Fuck America - Putin is right to draw the line in the sand.  If he is forced to launch then so be it - no fucking way he should back down from these CUNTS.



Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:07 | 4505311 Freddie
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"F the EU!"

Victoria Nuland

"What difference Does It Make!"
Hillary Hamrod

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:12 | 4505323 Rock On Roger
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The black swan farts in euroland's direction.

Stack On


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:13 | 4505325 57-71
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Just wait until the Ukr opposition starts bloiwing up pipelines.

Then we will have an interesting retort from Russia.

The G7, Nato and EU can do nothing if they don't do it with military intervention. This is the only way Putin will back off - get all the Euro countries and US/Can forces ready to enter Crimea and Putin will back off. If they don't do this Putin takes the Ukr as well. I really don't think he cares about the rest of the former soviet bloc.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:18 | 4505337 TungstenBars
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Won't that be more of an EU/ west Ukraine problem than a Russian problem?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:39 | 4505552 Theosebes Goodfellow
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57-71 is right. The only way out is to call the bluff and take Putin/Russian/Gasprom threat away is to blow the pipelines. Take them off the table. This hits the Russians just as hard as the Europeans, but the Europeans can get gas delivered via LNG tankers. THe Russians can suck it with their now un-delivered gas supply. It'll also hit them really, really hard in the pocket book.

Also, have the west shut down the Russian bank accounts. Lock up their supply to western capital markets. That'll really fuck 'em. The only question is if there is a single person in the west or western Ukraine with the balls to do it. Obama doesn't. Hell, Obama couldn't care less. It's not part of his "destroy America" plan, so it just doesn't matter.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:53 | 4505782 Urban Redneck
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There isn't a worldwide overcapacity of gas to liquids facilities to supply Europe. And if you start blowing up Russian industrial infrastructure, you invite the Russians doing the same. This isn't slap-jack, there are serious consequences to escalation in a JIT world.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 16:47 | 4508788 Theosebes Goodfellow
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I agree, Urban. But there's a wider perspective to the Nat Gas Gazprom issues. Cutting off the Russian/Iranian nat gas play now will make a lot more sense later. Here's a link to a Saudi gold story that ties it all in. It is true though that it is getting harder to see who is wearing the white hats these days. MY vote is for one pox, all houses personally.

Trashing Saudi Cutouts: Ransacking their Gold

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 17:45 | 4509147 Urban Redneck
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I have to admit a general bias against Jim Willie, based on his past writings (bankers getting arrested and hauled before the ICJ- which is not physically possible if he understood the functioning and role of the ICJ). But that's neither here nor there in re the current USD hegemony challenge.

In regards to what is written in the linked piece- what concerns me is the lack of any mention of the gold component to the petro-dollar scheme (which was the genesis of modern Sharia finance), and which makes any plundering of the Arab's London gold that much worse. In addition, there is the omission that the Saudi Royals themselves are two-faced themselves, and while Iran is an enemy to KSA, the Saudis themselves (and through the GCC) are promoting steps away from the USD in the oil trade, the degree of cooperation between Iran and KSA in this regard is hidden,and a rather impolite question, so I don't really know. But in terms of nailing the USD coffin shut, with Lloyd and Jamie inside, they might be useful.

Philosophically, the larger problem I have is that the root of the current money supply problem is a private monopoly on unrestrained money creation. The central banks are the tools of the private banks. If the banking system is brought down, the same banking parties will create the replacement system (IMF SDR or whatever), but it be of banker design. In order to defeat the bankers, someone BIG has to take them on, and win. Doing so is certainly not in most governments' interests. So that basically leaves the commodity titans (I don't care how much fiat/market cap Apple or Google have the world can live without them), so big oil, big gas, big ag, big iron, big steel, big aluminum, collectively they have the best chance, and in terms of pushing for a currency paradigm based on asset backing or at least real bills and extinguishing receivables, there the best to make that case, and it's in their own interest to do so.

But who knows, I think the worst case is the most likely- the banking titans continue enrich themselves until the break the system, and then they start all over again.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:02 | 4505558 Tall Tom
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It takes revenue to operate a war machine. The LOSS OF REVENUE, plus the loss of Pukin's "Trump Card", will mean that the EU will not have to worry about the Russian threat any longer. They lose any control. The Russians lose any control. 


Then they can really place economic pressure on Russia without restraint after the Gas is cut.


Take the Russian threat and throw it in their face. They lose CONTROL and thus lose strategic advantage in the geopolitical game.


Go Ukrainian Independence...from Russia...and from the Central Banksters of the EU and the West. Tell both the EU and Russia to go fuck themselves.




I do NOT SUPPORT PAST OR PRESENT USA INVOLVEMENT. The Ukes need to fight for themselves.


(I have also been junked heavily for asserting this. But it will be very affective in bringing an end to this crisis. So junk it. I do not really care.)

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:05 | 4505604 Marlon Brando
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Crisis?  I dont see a crisis here. Russia is protecting their interests. Ukraine has always been within their zoneof influence if not outright dominated by Russia. To Russia that which pertains to Russia. It's the NWO scum that are making this out to be some kind of Crisis which supposedly merits some kind of stern reaction. OF course it wont be the megalomaniocal .000001's kids that get to fight the war they are so determined to start. Stop drinking the Kool aide.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:10 | 4505611 Federizzle
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I think the last time people living in the territory called the Ukraine were independent of anything; it was back when they were Paleolithic hunter gatherer societies. Incidentally, that could be a great election campaign for the fascists in Kiev. Surely they are cave dwellers from the west...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:24 | 4505352 Independent
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Well the Euros better hope they can go past Ukraine and get to the oil fields and gas fields of Russia before the gasoline in their tanks and Jets runs out.  Kind of like Hitler's problem, hopefully they studied their history while at the beach in Spain on summer vacation.  Only problem now its hard to get traction on the ground when its all glass from a few nuclear blasts from a nuclear winter, kind of like the same problem the Germans had with their Panzers going through the snow in the other kind of winter no less severe, a Russian WINTER.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 08:09 | 4505949 flapdoodle
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If the Nato/EU armies are able to take Volgograd, they will be able to control the oil supplies to the south and secure their energy needs.

Hmmm, all that sounds vaguely familiar to me for some reason...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:32 | 4505370 Anusocracy
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Dear Useless Dupe,

The US is the cause of this mess.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:50 | 4505577 Tall Tom
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I'd look at Prince Bandar a little more closely if I were you. He was rather pissed that PUKIN did not allow the Syria Overthrow. So instead of attacking Sochi he decided that the Ukraine upheaval would be a better target against Russia during the Olympics.


Revenge is a bitch.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:38 | 4505696 Seer
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"So instead of attacking Sochi"

This assumes that he didn't try.

I have little doubt that Bandar has been a supporter, but in no way is he (and the Saudis) even remotely capable of overpowering the Russians here (logistics, location...): and let's add in ALL of NATO (including the US).  Sure, like a nasty little dog, I'm sure that they'll get a few nips in, draw some blood, but...

the last laugh on Bandar will be a broke EU and US (death of the petro-dollar), with Russia primarily selling to China.


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:53 | 4505582 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Awe come on, what you do you think Russians are incapable of being ignorant, self centered, racists, dumb fucks?

It is not a condition based on nation states, it is the natural state of most.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:14 | 4505327 Tabarnaque
Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:17 | 4505333 Judge Crater
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The Winter Olympics are over and we are now in the RealPolitik Olympics.  Obama track record is very poor, he has shown himself to be a competitor on par with the Jamaican bobsleigh team.  Maybe the Ukrainians should make a deal with Putin now while they have some breathing room.  

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:51 | 4505717 Seer
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Um, it's not about Obama.  This is all about the policy book that's been handed down for decades now: it's all pretty much laid out in Zbignew's book "The Grand Chessboard."  Placing it at the "Obama" level would suggest that with some other "leader" in place the US would magically have a completely different hand from which to work, it does not.

It ultimately comes down to the FACT that the NWO, globalists' play book would NEVER work (BIG = FAIL).

The frack-addicted EU members failed to realize their dependency on a nation that's separated by a big ocean.  The day was always to come when energy was going to become more scarce for them, yet, they continued to operate as though the US could ensure that their supplies would be there.

The two "sides" both suck.  On one side you have the mobsters (Russians) and on the other the banksters (US/west).  Kneecaps clubbed or your ass droned, neither appealing...

Change is eternal.  Power fleeting...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:52 | 4505719 Seer
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And we know that petitioning works! </sarc>

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:19 | 4505336 tony wilson
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this is not a problem the british are a tough breed.

we have much china goods to burn.

when it is gone we have old peoples furniture.

when that is gone the short guy at the end of the street.

then we have uk government building furniture.

we can grow spuds in dust bins

the russian menace will never control are potato crop or are sacred drinking urine.

cam moron  and uk plc will prevail


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:21 | 4505344 Tabarnaque
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You forgot all the paper gold... They have piles of it at the LBMA.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:36 | 4505378 Bonapartist
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You could burn the koran but the UK muzzies would go apeshit and burn down all of the Christian Cathedrals

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:21 | 4505345 nathan1234
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Does anyone expects Putin & Russia to sit back when Russia's neck is being throttled ?

Russia's very existence is in question.

At the minimum a kick in the throttlers balls and a punch in their face would be the outcome.

Obama should stick to playing with Reggie's balls



Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:36 | 4505382 walküre
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And what is their "existence" exactly? Care to elaborate? How were Russian people at anytime threatened or their lifestyles jeopardized during the revolution in Ukraine? Russia's leadership has not given the UN the courtesy of getting involved on any level.

Don't try and rewrite history as it still happens right before our eyes.

The international community has channels to deal with unstable nations but Putin didn't want any of that. Instead he had his ambassador declare today that Russia's parliament and Putin acted at the request of the former Ukrainian leader. They would have us believe, they were doing Yanu a favor. C'mon this is pure theatre. Putin is putting on a show and we're tired of his bullshit.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:38 | 4505389 Bonapartist
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who's "we"- sucka?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:44 | 4505404 walküre
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Europeans by vast majority

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:57 | 4505443 Bonapartist
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Then strap on your Mauser rifle and go to it- oh- that's right- the EU can't kick the shit out of a tinpot dictator like MoMar w/o help from Uncle Sugar. Good luck heating and powering your homes w/ windmills and unicorn shit- even the Germans are rediscovering the wonders of coal.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:39 | 4505551 angel_of_joy
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Sorry, but a little troll like yourself is far from representing a "vast majority"...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:49 | 4505658 ThirdWorldDude
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I approve this message.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:41 | 4505394 Independent
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Sure yeah but look how unstable Nulands five billion dollar cookies made Kiev.  I mean feeding democracy cookies to Neo Nazis and mercenaries is the right channel

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:45 | 4505401 TungstenBars
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Do tell, how did those 'channels' prevent Iraq and it's 100's of thousands of civilian deaths over American made BS?


Hell, did anyone from the US even get put on trial for that massacre? Oh right Manning did!

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:51 | 4505427 walküre
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Prevent? So, you're promoting a "tit for tat" approach and let the Russians have at it in the Ukraine? Why do you assume I would have approved of Gulf War 2 in the first place?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:03 | 4505465 TungstenBars
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Alright, regardless of the Gulf War 2 massacre the Russians are right to protect ethnic russians from the regime in Kiev. read my post above. While many native Ukrainians do (foolishly) want a change away from Russia to the EU there is a very large presence of fanatical nationalists in the country that have a history of atrocities and have Russians in particular in their sights. We can diagree all we want, but at the end of the day Russians are safer under Russian rule in that region. Besides, last I checked Crimea wants them there and doesn't recognize Kiev anymore. Can a mob in Kiev chase out a democratically elected president but a cabinet of representatives in Crimea cannot fill the will of their people and separate? 


C'mon now..

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:13 | 4505741 StychoKiller
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There's still hope that Texas will do the right thing...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:03 | 4505463 fudge
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Still posting manure ?


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:43 | 4505567 UselessEater
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walkure...the UN??? International community has channels???? Have a look at their track record in Africa in dealing with unstable nations, its ugly.

Putin has check mate and it was obvious to all including Obama's puppet masters so you're right this is pure theatre and we're all tired of the stinking kleptocrat's constantly pushing nations into various wars be they economic or physical they're just relentless mechanisms for pushing ordinary people into a corner marked slavery.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:56 | 4505721 Seer
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The Grand Chessboard

Read it.  It'll give you more insight into the WIDELY known strategy of strangling Russia.  (fuck, this is basically THE play book, it's been around for many decades now and people still wonder why things are happening the way they are?)

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:23 | 4505355 snr-moment
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Bitcoin !!!!!!!!

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:40 | 4505556 angel_of_joy
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-500,000,000 $ !

For now...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:24 | 4505356 CrashisOptimistic
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There are two matters of interest.  First, logistics.  The range of fighter aircraft is not infinite.  So a launch base within range of . . . at this point Crimea would be required.  Turkey perhaps.  Second, satellite recon.  No way aircraft and support personnel can go anywhere without being seen.  So Russia will know of the deployment before it is in place.

Another item is the Saudis.  Not that I believe it, but they are the sole source of oil alleged to have excess production capacity.  One can suspect they have already been called to fill in for Russian oil that may disappear from the market.  So with them there are two issues: first off, they wanted Syria regime changed.  Obama didn't do it.  So their obvious reply to a request for ramp up would be fuck you.  Second . . . they may already be maxed.  They have been pumping for 60 years.  They are not infinite.  That would be perhaps the most long term damaging result of the whole Ukraine thing -- the revelation that they have no excess production capacity.

Iran.  The sanctions will be dead now.  Russia won't cooperate after this.  They will conduit Iranian oil, which frankly I don't think is available in amounts much higher than what is already dodging the sanctions.


Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:54 | 4505407 Flakmeister
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You misread Iran... Their exports are already up to Chindia post sanction reduction... ~200,000 bpd (not a great deal admittedly, but non-zero)...

Only 30% of European NG imports are from Russia,  that is 3% of Russian GDP or $100,000,000 per day, and remember Putin owns 70% of Gazprom...


I disagree with your take on Syria....


In any event it will take 30-45 days before the hydrocarbon card becomes serious...

A lot can happen....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:17 | 4505507 CrashisOptimistic
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Data just discovered.

The EU has a regulation requiring all member countries to have 90 days of strategic petroleum reserve.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:43 | 4505568 Flakmeister
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Yeah, but the hydrocarbon infrastructure has MOLs.... 90 in storage gets you ~60 in actuality...

For example in the the US, there may be 60 days of gasoline in the system, but the system doesn't function at less than 20 or so... 

Europe looks to have ~92 Mcm of gas storage or 100 days of Russian imports... (That what I hate about NG, so many bloody units, I may have made an conversion error)

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:51 | 4505664 Ar-Pharazôn
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i am not that sure about southern Europe (Greece, Italy, Spain)


they are not even able to balance their sheets........ let alone having a strategic oil reserve.....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:59 | 4505724 Seer
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And even IF they had an oil reserve they don't exactly have the money to pay to refill it...  and this, my friends, is a foretelling of how it's all going to come down.  ONLY those countries with resources will continue on (until they themselves exhaust them).

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 06:19 | 4510952 Ar-Pharazôn
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i agree with you

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 06:16 | 4505800 Urban Redneck
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The EU may have regulations, but so the banksters, the first BTUs are the cheapest to extract, but LONG before you get ANYWHERE near the exhausting the available BTUs the banksters will have chosen a different path, and there will no economy left to fuel because the BTUs will have become prohibitively expensive to extract long before.

Industrial Engineering imitating Nature.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:28 | 4505532 Freddie
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The Saudis have lied about their reserves for 40+ years as far as them not dropping.  They are being thrown under the bus so the Ghawar and their other pools of oil are running out.  They are pumping seawater to keep the pressure up.  Dr. Jim Willie said they are toast.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:02 | 4505726 Seer
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It's also a matter of net exports, and those numbers only become more constrained as they conume more oil internally.

The Saudi Royals can only hang on for so long.  Should be clear to most that this was a HUGE reason why the US trumped up the war against Iraq: secure oil before the Saudi empire implodes.  Not sure what Dr. Jim Willie's arguments are, but his conclusion is 100% correct...

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 07:51 | 4505901 negative rates
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Doctor doctor, give me the news. I got a bad case of lovin you.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 18:35 | 4506661 Flakmeister
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Freddie, while  it is true that SA does use a water drive enhanced oil extraction strategy, they have been for over 40 years...

Russia is in the same boat as far as depletion goes, water cuts are rising there as well...Their major fields are as old if not older and have been just as abused....

And once again you miss the big picture, to zeroth order, it is flow rates and not reserves that matter....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 03:01 | 4505586 Tall Tom
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How much does Prince Bandar stand to profit from this?


It was PUKIN who nixed the Syria Show. Think about it.


Not only is the a "Fuck You" to PUKIN but it is a profitable "Fuck You".


QUI BONO? That is the most important question.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 05:05 | 4505729 Seer
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Bandar is out of his league.  And, I suspect, he's really only a puppet of the US: he's nada if the US says so (who allows the Suadi Royal family to stay in power?)

And, as I noted in another reply above, I would agree that Bandar's fingerprints can be found somewhere here.  I just don't believe that they're as key as you might suggest.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:26 | 4505357 walküre
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Just proves that Russia's leadership is not sensible and should not be allowed to control such an important resource. They're not concerned about a shortfall of $1.5 billion, they're just bullies. This is neither reasonable nor adequate in this 21st century. If Putin is the problem, then Putin needs to be removed from power. Russians will be viewed as the least popular people on the planet. I don't think a majority of Russians wants that.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:31 | 4505368 mayhem_korner
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Thank you, Secretary Kerry.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:33 | 4505375 Clowns on Acid
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Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:38 | 4505548 Larry Dallas
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Tue, 03/04/2014 - 11:59 | 4506922 Flakmeister
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Right or wrong, it was a far more coherent observation on the situation than you would be capable of...

You likely think that what Tyler is feeding you is the whole story...

I'll give you a hint, it ain't....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:32 | 4505373 Bonapartist
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So who controls it- the same war pigs that want to get their satanic claws on Iran's oil?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:42 | 4505395 walküre
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Who controls it? Certainly not the fucking clowns in the Kremlin. While Rosneft is majority state owned, Lukoil is not.

We have international treaties in place, we have the UN and we have a Security Council.

Putin and the Kremlin are displaying absolute disrespect for anyone else outside their ivory tower.

FYI the Russian propaganda agents are working overtime here on ZH. Good work, guys. Go fuck yourselves.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:47 | 4505403 Bonapartist
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"international treaties, the UN and a Security Council"- give me a fucking break you pie-in-the-sky clown. The 2 biggest ivory towers ever erected by man are in DC and Brussels.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:53 | 4505434 walküre
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Go suck Russian dick then, you idiot. See how that's working out for ya.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:01 | 4505462 Bonapartist
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I wouldn't give 2 shits but as a middle class taxpayer in the US I get stuck paying for assholes the world over.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:17 | 4505506 walküre
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I agree with you! But the US has a reserve currency which allows the US to live like no other. That reserve currency status is a privilege but it brings certain obligations to the rest of the world. My understanding anyway and would explain why things are the way they are. Personally, I don't like that responsibility either but how can it change without losing the currency and the benefits? Can we really go back 200 years to a time where the US was isolated and stayed out of the world affairs for the most part? Maybe.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 04:42 | 4505703 Ghordius
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switching from a European to an American point of view, walküre? as I see it, one out of three Americans and a majority of American ZH posters are full isolationists

then of course you have those who still wish the Cold War back, and usually neglect to note that Ukraine is not a NATO member, yet the whole bunch of nations formerly behind the Iron Curtain are

then you have the "freedom fighters" that resemble fascists not yet out of the closet - they love Putin for his manliness

this situation has been brewing since a long time, folks. Even Bush Senior went to Kiev and explained there that Ukrainian nationalism - if taken to extremes - would prod the Russian bear

fact is, Russia has reasonable national interests in parts of Ukraine. that's the way Russians see it. and those Europeans that know a bit Russia understand this

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 12:02 | 4506955 Flakmeister
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Good comment...

But the Ukrainians are looking at their Polish neighbours and saying No mas...

If Putin can't insure that the Crown Jewel of the FSU still within the Russian sphere is at least properly managed, he will reap what he sows....

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:43 | 4505381 Independent
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Really now well I hope your horny neighbor doesnt feel that way about your control of your pretty Swedish wifes vagina or that of your nubile young teenage daugters vaginas.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:03 | 4505472 walküre
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His lust for pussy wouldn't come at the expense of potentially millions freezing to death.

About time this entire resource and energy business gets revamped for all our sakes.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:38 | 4505390 chump666
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I agree Walkure, as for the f*cking apologists on here...

Anyone see the Russian stock-market crash when Vlad the Impaler went into Crimea, now he is amassing forces on the Eastern side of Ukraine.  He goes for an all out invasion, he will f*ck his own country in the process...and the world.  Obama could only dream what Putin is actually doing and don't hit on that US quagmire wars in the middle east and bases bullsh*t.  Europe is a whole different ball game, densely populated and as a reminder...always sets off a world war

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:42 | 4505396 Bonapartist
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Russia has oil, nat gas and nukes- what the fuck else is there?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:45 | 4505406 Independent
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Dont forget some of the hottest women in the world, they have that too.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 01:57 | 4505448 Freddie
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They supply most of the ammo to preppers and possibly for the 1776 USA Revolution version 2.0.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:00 | 4505459 walküre
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You fool! You think this current Russian leadership is interested in the pesky American strive for people to regain the control over their government?

Do you honestly believe that the Russian leader is a friend of American Libertarians?

Reread your history.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:03 | 4505471 Bonapartist
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Who cares as long as they accept worthless US $ for cheap 7.62x39?

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:08 | 4505486 walküre
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There you go. They need our paper for something then. Just having all that oil and gas in the ground doesn't feed them all. Russia is one of the biggest arms producers and dealers as well. Doubtful all Russians would toe the line with Putin if he decided to piss of the entire world single handedly.

Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:22 | 4505522 Freddie
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You probably have no clue what Americans are buying in Russian ammo.  Hand over fist and by the pallet load.  Tula, Wolf, the list goes on and on.

There is some very nice Danish amoo I would buy if I had a gun. My boat tipped over.

I bet Walkure is not Danish as they are very nice people.

Uh oh boys:

Keep stacking.

Obama could cut Russian ammo imports as response to Ukraine crisis
Tue, 03/04/2014 - 02:27 | 4505529 SilverRhino
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As payback for Obama / EU's meddling in the Ukraine?  Hell yes I could see Putin starting to run guns / ammo to separatists in the USA in spots like ... oh Alaska or Texas.   

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