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Russia Warns "Will Have To Respond" For US Sanctions
It appears, given comments from Foreign Minister Lukashevich, that things are about to get ugly again...
"we will have to respond...if provoked by rash and irresponsible actions by Washington... and not necessarily symmetrically."
Via Reuters,
Russia said on Tuesday that it would retaliate if the United States imposed sanctions over Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
"We will have to respond," Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement. "As always in such situations, provoked by rash and irresponsible actions by Washington, we stress: This is not our choice."
And Interfax adds:
- RUSSIA WILL HAVE TO RESPOND TO POSSIBLE U.S. SANCTIONS, "AND NOT NECESSARILY SYMMETRICALLY" - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
Given that Russian boots remain on the ground in Ukraine and that the US (and the west - ex-UK) are still pressing for crushing sanctions against Russia; one has to wonder whether Putin's carefully worded "annexation" comment did nothing but enable exits for oligarchs... What really changed?
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Talking way over Barry's head..."Hey, Reggie, WTF do they mean by 'not necessarily symmetrically'? Somebody ask my wookkie is she understands what that means."
With Russia jiggling the table, we will see how steady this house-of-cards-western-financial-system is.
If Russia dumps US Dollar, does that mean stocks go to the moon or to Hades?
I believe Dr. Paul Craig Roberts that war a cometh - http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/03/washingtons-arrogance-hubris-evil-set-stage-war/
4:01 pm est today (after U.S. Market "cash"'close) "Vladimir Putin has asserted that Ukraine is Russian Federation territory, that all claims of its sovereignty are void ab initio, and that Russia will continue to take any measures necessary to secure it, and that there is absolutely no room for further discussion of the matter."
9:18 am est tomorrow morning (just prior to market open) "western media sources are reporting that Victoria Nuland & John Kerry had a conference call with Putin's underlings & that Putin communicated a much more conciliatory & flexible stance on the independence of Ukraine."
letme see....it was the weather this winter and now its spring and "its the conflict" betch see this excuse a lot for the next failures of the stats
If Putin decides to dump UST,
Madame Yellin will just hit CNTL-P and buy them all up.
Don't you think?
former KGB
vs
Community organizer
Two man enter, one man leaves, you decide
the banker cartel sanctions piled high on little Iran didn't manage to bring Iran to its knees... why would the result be any different for Russia?
Indeed, especially considering that Russia, India, China, and Iran have been trading without the dollar for a while now.
Lukashevich:
"I have no instructions to negotiate with you."
See how it works?
hoof in mouth disease
That's not a hoof.
I still feel like the eastern leaders have too much of their wealth in western assets, and just can't seem them throwing that all away, maybe I'm naive to what wealth is. On the other, I can't think Russia would get any deeper with this without the backing of china or house of saud, imho. We'll find out.
Hey Obama, first Putin laughs at you, then the Putin ignores you, then you loose...
Chess and checkers bitchez!
Bombshell: Ukraine President Requested Russian Assistance
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=120379
4:01 pm est today (after U.S. Market "cash"'close) "Western media sources are reporting that Vladimir Putin has just hung up on conference call with Obama, after asserting that Ukraine is Russian Federation territory now & forever, and 'deese eez end of discussion' ."
9:18 am est tomorrow morning (just prior to market open) "Western media sources are reporting that Putin has slept on remarks, and has backtracked 180 degrees, asserting Ukraine's complete independence, and also agreeing to allow NATO to establish missile installations and its largest contiguous aircraft & military bases there without conditions."
If this whole thing goes to the next level then the area of interest from here is Odessa and Kherson. Odessa being the only real other major port that Ukraine has.
Watch for ships flagged of both west and Russia to hang out in the area, port security being paramount.
If Russia really wanted to go after the Ukraine any push would come from the border not the Black Sea. Though they would have to prevent others from using Odessa as a landing / reinforcement area.
So Odessa is strategic. All evidence though points to this being only about Crimea and the protection of Russia's base there. Though Russia does have extensive assets in Ukraine they are not positioned militarily to to do much about it. Massing any real numbers of troops and materials takes time and planning. Red flags would go up all over the place if Putin was really moving any further than Crimea. NATO would be forced to mobilize if that happened.
I think this is going to plan for now. Maybe it escalates to a slow boil over time but for now the Spooks from both sides are running the show in Ukraine (unfortunately for the Ukrainians).
Local majorities will decide to separate in every strategic area with relative Russian majority. They already control the local centers of authority, on the ground. A lot of positioning activity is now "civilian". What's good for the goose...
Putin will support them later, when threatened by Kiev thugs.
No need for drama... for now !
The black box for us plebs is the nearly $5 trillion in "unallocated reserves" by "developing" countries. As in, we have no idea what the fuck is the makeup of those reserves, but the controllers have 100% certainty as to the makeup of those reserves.
Present situation:
Actualized tit for tat Russian intervention following US intervention, in an area of significant strategic importance.
Game theory read on current statements:
The US should probably refrain from assuming that a US "tit" won't be responded to with a significantly more severe Russian "tat".
The former KGB just gave a nice big wet "fuck you mon" kiss to Barry.
What's the over/under on the Russian navy sinking one of our aircraft carriers?
Well, the good side is that the fishies get a heated fish hotel.
The bad side is that it is nuclear heat.
They've been primed up for it already with fuki...
I assume the Russians know old horse face is in Ukraine right now. Don't they have drones too?
No one, and I mean no one, would dare order a drone strike on a US citizen.
I mean, only WE can order drone strikes on US citizens.
Would make a great "false flag" event to be sure.
Really?
I thought you understood posturing better than that...
Putin is in a mess of his own making and now he is fully realizing how deep it goes...
trying to muscle in on MDB's action?
.
Pepe Escobar describes such delusions being the result of "sub-zoological intellectual quotient".
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-05-280214.html
In no more than a year, there will be a lot of crow being eaten here and it will sure the fuck not be by me...
Howso?
Because more than likely the chess player will sitting in the Kremlin with his thumb up his ass. Admittedly, he will be raking in the bucks...
No matter how you slice it, Putin fucked up managing the Ukraine through his puppet and he has lost influence and military action was his only gambit to restore it...
I tend to think he's made his move and is waiting for Washington to blink. I think Washington blinks here, because the alternative is much worse for them than it is for Russia.
How so...
Let Putin invade the Ukraine, he will have an Intifada on his hands assuming he wins...
Let the Ukraine default, Putin and his cronies are holding most of that paper...
The only portions of Ukraine Putin would "invade' are those areas where a plausible majority of residents would welcome them in, flowers and all.
The above decidely does not include western Ukraine, the invasion of which would, as Putin well knows, deliver to Russia far more costs than benefits.
Delusion and wishfull thinking. That's why the West is so totally fucked up, and will never recover.
People cannot recognize reality even when it punches them in their face, much less to properly react to it...
OR .... he is correcting a huge shortsighted mistake that Nikita Khrushchev made back in 1954.
AND using it to humiliate the EU/US and bolster is own nation's prestige at the same time.
AND providing precedents / covers for separatist movements all over the world.
AND paying back the US/EU for Syria
AND increasing the Natural Gas block at the expense of the Petrodollar block.
Emminently laughable with the possible exception of 1)...
And lets not even bring up Syria which you clearly do not understand in the least...
Dear Flakmeister,
Why are you always have so many minuses on each of your posts? You are a WH troll?
Hmm Journal of Climatology says your full of shit Flak and Tim Ball and Steyn are taking Michael Mann to the fucking cleaners...
A whole murder of crows will be flying down your gov troll throat..
http://www.principia-scientific.org/another-climate-change-myth-debunked...
Quite a strawman you constructed there...
Just what was debunked? Could you explain it in your own words...
Ironically, the CEO of BHP Biliton came out today:
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/03/04/energy-ceo-climate-change-is-real-and...
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Was that the same Steyn that had his Anti-SLAPP suit chucked out recently? You know the one that his countersuit was based on....
The SLAAP lawsuit is a joke I was involved in one and they are rarely successful, much more important is Mann not releasing the metadata behind his hockey stick because he is a liar. He is screwed and so is your fantasy.. Open wide that murder of crows is heading your way..
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140225133914AA3DVb2
Even yahoo gets it, of course I would not rate you as high as a yahoo..
http://www.principia-scientific.org/michael-mann-faces-bankruptcy-as-his...
Mann facing bankruptcy hmm maybe you can help..
BHP hilton wants to suck the gov teat what.....
Zzzzz..
Seriously...
zzz, this is the sound of hot air escaping your azzz after exiting brain case... Open wide bitch that crow will not swallow itself..
+1,000
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-05-280214.html
Thanks for that.
I particularly liked Pepe's reference to the (plausible) ultimate alliance of Germany with Russia. The division of the globe into Eurasia, Eastasia and Homelandistan will then be complete.
Flak:
I see the EU/FED troll is back . . .
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Do you actually post anything of merit or do you just play to the peanut gallery?
Flakmeister reliably presents the geopolitical equivalent of abiotic oil.
So, explain exactly where I am wrong and why...
And you had better make it good...
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CAW! CAW! CAW!
Hahaha! It got you to bite the hook. I'd say that's plenty good enough.
As expected...
Nothing but playing for greenies from the peanut gallery...
Yo Flak, that was mostly me being sarc without a license today. Putin has probably screwed the pooch this time, but I think he'll end up with Ukraine anyway, and all the associated debt too. Probably the next move is to get great terms on a EU/USFed 300 day emergency loan, and then rehypothecate the shit out of it back to Russia, then let Ukraine fold up like a house of cards. No blood no foul.
Besides, the Russian military needed the exercise. Keep those guys sharp for when China hits Japan leaving the northern islands open for a mid-winter invasion from Vladivostok, beotches.
Yeah, I think you just Poe'ed the shit out of them whether they realize or not...
Both "leaders" are in deep. Whether Obama truly grasps this is hard to say. Surely Putin does. Obama can stare or sanction. Putin can stare or get violent. Which one will go first or blink first? Perhaps the wide card is a pair, a pair of citizen populations that don't want this crap. They can stare or act as well. Ukraine and the Crimeans also have parts to play but they are likely to just stare until told otherwise. What will people do and will they do it soon enough?
"What's the over/under on the Russian navy sinking one of our aircraft carriers?"
Think China would share of of it's DF-21D ballistic missiles with Vlad?
http://gizmodo.com/5928295/chinas-df-21d-missile-is-a-one-shot-aircraft-...
But in Hollywood movies the Community Organizer always wins <sarc tag not necessary but oh well>
Hint 1: It won't be the pussy.
Hint 2: It won't speak Ebonics.
When the comunity organizer is classical narsisist with a Islam bent you can count on this going bad in a hurry. The question will be who is in control of the plan?
Zzzzz....
MEMO TO BARRY:
Never go into a battle of wits half-armed!
Theres only one MAN there....
dupe..
Your right about one man in the contest, but Valerie Jarrett will do what has to be done to maintain power and force the changes her masters want down our gullets. I could not care less what happens in Ukraine. Frankly any country willing to let go of nuclear weapons based on a promise from the US and UK deserves what is has coming..
No, treasuries were the last straw to break the back of the monetary fiat currency. It was designed by law too.
My take is that Russia talking about dumping UST scared the shit out of the FED and thus they started to buy a massive ramp in the market to make it appear as if its a minor threat. Everyone, outside of mainstream, has been talkin for years how the first to dump treasuries will come out ahead. Just the mention of this by a major country scares the shit out of them.
Kids, ol' Vlad cannot allow US sponsored crazies to run Ukraine.
He will visit Kiev soon.
everyone knows that you should never bring a secretary of state to a chess match
Russia is playing chess while we play checkers.
the only good part about this is hopefully a return of awesome cold war movies!
Dr DickHead - I dn't think so... the neo Bolsheviks (Obama, Kerry, Sunstein, Powers, Ayers, Emanual) are really cowards and just want to get paid. So the $1 Billion is a face saving effort by Kerry to make it look like the US is doing somehting... but will slink off again (Syria) to the sidelines, but only after getting thier w20% commission of te 1 billion. Y'know... adacha in Odessa ... or something similar... ever see Chris Dodd's house in Ireland ?
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is spot on with his assessment. The chickenhawks in control of US gov are out of control and the sheeple either could not care that they are running the US into the dirt and just go back to watching their TV's or they run around imitating the likes of chickenhawks Kerry. Pathetic!
The question is if they get to have china join them in dumping treasuries, what will happen to the 10 year yield
When tension like this builds up, to keep from getting depressed I look at my stash of gold and silver. Now, if only I had some ammo as well...
Get the ammo. www.gunbot.net
If your guns fire Russian based ammo, you better buy it fast. I could see US customs banning the importation of ammo from Russia out of sheer spite at this point.
sipseystreet reader eh..
What's that?
www.sipseystreetirregulars.com
to da moon! yellen gets fat bonner and prints moar moneys
Time to get Barry out while we still can. This is man shit. MAN SHIT.
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR PRESIDENT VAGINA, WHEN DEALING WITH MAN SHIT...............
If you believe this is all of Barry's doing, then you live in la-la land. War mongers are war mongers, regardless of elephant or donkey next to their name. Jeremy Scahill put it best that there is only one party in DC and that is the war party. http://www.dailypaul.com/313629/jeremy-scahill-the-war-party
Lighten up Francis.
So, not the banker party? I am confused.
Technically its the Wanker party...
See what I did there? War + banker = wanker
Love it, +1000. While Hugh's "Deep State" fanaticism seems, well, deep, I have to imagine it's the guys with the guns and not the funds who wield the most power.
Well he's still trying to throw people under the bus that he don't know.
Same thing.
No, no, no!
The DC government has TWO distinct parties: the Inner Party, and the Outer Party.
"Putin is playing chess, the West is playing marbles"
Of course Putin took an opportunity to "cool" things down for a moment, survey the landscape on the ground, and calculate the next move and the three after that!
Meanwhile the idiots in the West, think they have "won" something and are waiting for the next marble to move around! The West just keeps showing them everything, telling them everything they are going to do!
Putin is executing a diplomatic and military strategy on the ground, the West is flying around in toys and moving ships around like chickens with their heads cut off! Refer to the "Art of War" for a hint on who will prevail in these circumstances!
If you were spinning any harder you would drill your self into the ground...
Ok .Gov Employee, I'm glad to see you'll be siding with the 100,000 Texans who are killing police and moltov cocktailing the Cities squares of America in the analogy I made earlier on another post!
"I think even a better analogy would be if lets say 100,000 Texans, did the same thing in the "central Squares" of Dallas or Houston or Austin, and demanded Freedom from the US and American Empire of over taxation, etc etc!! Then they started shooting at cops and molotov cocktailng the place!
Texas is a State of 20 million plus, so 100,000 pissed off Texans could create an international movement for freedom and succession?? i hardly fucking think so, and then add that world leaders would be flocking to Mexico with money and moving military assets into the Gulf of Mexico to "assist" those "Freedom Fighters"????
But fucking Americans think that's exactly what WE should be doing somewhere else??? Its just unreal and surreal and pathetic and so fucking filled with hypocrisy, that it should be making everyone sick to their stomach, BUT ITS NOT!"
Ohhh I know, its different right!! please enlighten us all, Flak, how is it different?
I take no sides in this... I only point out the obvious interpretation of the events...
It is also clear that you were spinning head first into the ground because you are now in up to your shoulders...
Come and take it!! Bitchez!!!
-A Texan
Flak:
It is obvious you are a troll - only a paid flack could possibly go into the thread time after time, get down arrowed to death, and still keep on spouting the same crazy stuff you've been spouting.
In short, you aren't here to discuss and analyze, you are here to propagandize.
Your mind is closed - as only a troll can be. You allow for no possibility of being wrong - as only a troll can be. You relentlessly harp on the same failed ideas, ignoring new evidence that disproves all your premises and conclusion - as only a troll can be.
What a pitiful excuse for a human you are - as only a troll can be.
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Now that is funny...
What evidence refutes anything I have said in the past 4 days about the situation in the Ukraine?
Go ahead and educate me where I have gone wrong...
Edit: still waiting...
Edit2: Another 1/2 hour gone by, still waiting....
Edit3: Another 1/2 hour...
Waiting for next edit...
And I am still waiting for something from that asshat....
Yeah, Renewable,
Looks like Putin just gave up a pawn
US Military's move next
And then we will see
I don't know----not a chessmaster
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: The end could be nearer than you think
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=120377
His website keeps crashing so use the back-up above.
"Americans are so ignorant and gullible that they do not realize that their very existence is on the line, and that the insane neoconservatives who control the weak Obama puppet are determined to cross the line."
Has he named these Neo-oonservatives controlling Obama or am I not supposed to ask that question?
Sssh, you'll ruin the narrative. Don't question anything. Believe everything. Stand for nothing.
Seriously folks, I don't know that we were really that much of a force behind the protests. Doubtless there was aid. Aid doesn't make a revolution, people do. The Ukrainians are the ones who acted. Putin has reacted, poorly, in my view. He could have simply pushed for a vote and Crimea would have been his with little to no cost compared to what is going on now. Who would the west be, in that light, to argue that Crimea has no right to self determination?
As it is, we should stay out of it militarily. Let Europe grow up. Proposing a popular solution would get us all out of this mess but clearly nobody in Washington wants that. Nobody in Europe has the will to say it. Putin seems to think he would lose something that route.
In the end, a hell of a lot of people have acted stupidly. Getting sick of the people who claim this side did this and that side did that with hardly a shred of hard evidence. I don't know. You all don't know.
Holy shit that's a good analogy if one thinks about it. When there's less raw resources to consume a consumer society's status quo goes to shit. Russia certainly has an upper hand in that regard.
Putin outright said the U.S. is a big bully and invaded other countries. China stood up to the U.S. and their bullying last week too. It seems both Russia and China will not take the U.S. double standards and bullying anymore. Both are calling out the U.S. and what they have done.
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2014/03/putin-totally-blast-us...
They've got resources, US has resources.
They have weapons to protect their resources, ditto US.
They have gold, US.... big maybe.
They have BALLS. Game over.
Dave Kranzler's take: http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=120300
Putin is a master of strategy. He moves in and takes over areas sympathetic to him through intinmidation and bribes. The Ukraine knows their are outmatched. It is kind of hard to harshly condemn him when he is not killing anyone.
US's got gold, in fact, holds most of the other countries gold. That they still store their gold with the Fed is quite puzzling when it's quite obvious the US plans to trash its dollar and issue a new one backed with all the to be confiscated gold at the NY Fed.
Sorry, rehypothecated; just ask Germany.
You're kidding your self if you think the US still has all that gold. Our government has done well to brain wash everyone that USD paper is the only source of money.
You're confusing that Fort where the Treasury (supposedly) holds its reserves VS the NY Fed holdings. The holdings at the NY Fed are audited quite often as other central banks store it there.
The USD is indeed backed by nothing at the moment, I'm aware of that. That does not contradict anything I've posted yet.
I'm not so sure that the U.S. has the resources -I've got a strong feeling that we've been overstating our hand in that regard.
Now we could be consuming everyone else's resources so we don't consume ours as some suggest, but I have a feeling we've expended our easy resources which is why we're going abroad to keep up the illusion of prosperity.
Unfortunately for us we will have to make good on our bluff down the road.
asymmetric warfare biyatchz! come wit nukes to knife fight: i wou;dnt fuk wit Putin....
Never bring a trombone to a knife fight.
Rusty trombone?
Barry 'Mom Jeans' Obama is the dazed, fucking confused, leader of the 'free world of free stuff'..... I can't get the reality of that picture out of my head....
Pretty certain cyber warfare is a big part of it. Question is, who are you betting on, Russian developers or the clowns Obama's put in charge?
So was the Obamacare website just a trial run at really fucking electronic and digitized shit up? If so the Russians ought to be trembling...
Wouldn't it be ironic if the Russkies hacked into the NSA via the Obamacare website? That might be the only thing that worked on that POS
No need, his people already have it so messed up it will never work. This was intended.
Dumping 200 billion in Treasuries? Is that a threat? Puhleeeease. Ol' Yeller can print that with one toner cartridge tied behind her back.
Come at her with something real!
K broski?
Yeah, and if shit gets real, which side do you think China will come down on?
If you think it is Russia, you have no understanding of history....
Flake Master:
China has already come down on Russia's side.
What a troll-lop you are.
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How so? Just because you imagine it, does not make it so...
They said they are on the Russian side. Their actual behavior may vary.
I tend to agree, though it is certainly contrarian. On one hand, china is MUCH obliged to the western ptb, and depends on american consumption to quell its masses. Plus so many of their rich leaders own many western assets (as does russia), so being isolated from those assets would certainly dampen their wealth. But on the other, it has been buying a ton of gold, and i just can't imagine russia would instigate this far if it didn't have the backing of either china and/or house of saud. We're bout to find out, I'm sure.
The Chinese bought quite a few SU-27 Flankers and others.
They shot down a shit load of useless F-35s and F-22's in the Taiwan Straits in a Rand Corp simulation. They said the F-35 was so bad that it would be like clubbing baby seals. Worthless shit from the MIC Zio-Zato contractors.
SU-27 is one of the most perfect aircraft ever built, beautifully engineered, jaw dropping performance, it flys like a fucking bird. F-35 is a 350 million dollar brick. This illustrates our entire situation here in the formerly great USA in a nutshell. OT, but why the fuck can't Barry wear a suit and tie in his posed oval office picture. Full denim??? For one thing it's like some kind of weird Neo-Maoist outfit, for another thing it's sloppy and disrespectful, he might as well be wearing a track suit.
They will masterfully play off one side against the other, alternately using:
1) US treasuries,
2) Gold,
3) Commercial agreements,
4) North Korea as their foil, etc.
Putin is too European focused, and Barry wants the US to lose every incident, so the Chinese will simply cleanup on the "periphery": Africa, South Asia, etc.
China's side, which will be to take over the Pacific rim in influence, rather than conquest and hence responsibility. The only question is how far will Obama open his stupid trap and thus add embarrasment to impotence? The Ukraine is on its own. God help them.
Well if China dumps them too Yeller gonna call in the dream team aka Greenspan, and Bernanke. And let me tell you Darpa has done some crazy shit and has a time machine and she is also gonna call up Rudy Havenstein!
Oh what now bitchez!?!
Didn't know we were gonna play the Rudy card did ya?
*drops microphone, crosses arms, walks off stage*
Putin can isolate the United States from around the world faster than you can spit. To this end, Putin needed only to declare that Russia sells oil and gas only for gold.
After that, the U.S. is becoming a third world country immediately. Check and mate.
Man, the sheer brilliance and grasp of subtle details that some ZH posters exhibit...
I am truly gobsmacked....
Better send him an e-mail to point that out in case he and his advisors somehow missed it...
axe, not ask
wonder if he's bought a few puts?
Rumor is that Yanukovych is dead. Heart attack.
source?
http://armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong_economics_blog
This would change everything
Rumors circulating everywhere that he is in fact dead.
Still need confirmation though from mother Russia.
It would change nothing.
Putin said that Yanukovich was the rightful Czar, that reinstating him was his goal. Without Yanukovich, what other excuse could he give? He can hole up in Crimera, but for what? It's not like he didn't have a base there to begin with. He loses Western Ukraine, new elections mean possibly losing all of it. Putin's hopes of reclaiming Ukraine dies with Yanukovich. You sound very butt-hurt, though.
Putin said that Yanukovych will catch a cold at the funeral of those who declared him dead.
LOL, as if the names of these puppets matter in the least.
Infotainment at it's finest.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/futures-soar-near-record-putin-...
PUTIN SAYS MET YANUKOVYCH 2 DAYS AGO, SAYS HE'S ALIVE
PUTIN SAYS YANUKOVYCH HAS NO POLITICAL FUTURE
If that didn't give him a heart attack ...
But the Russian ambassador read his letter? Maybe it was his will and Putin granted a Pollonium poisoned man his dying wish?
That letter business was over the top funny.
Do you happen to know if a nail gun was involved?
Blowfish toxin ice dart gun.
Dr. McCoy: He's dead, Jim. He's dead.
Nobody is going to do anything. This latest incident in the Ukraine should be proof of that. The only thing that came out of it was trillions of dollars profit to a very small group of people--and the next manufactured crisis will net the same results. Keep the people on edge and make a handful of people tons of money