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Ukrainian, Russian Warships Cross Bosphorus, Enter Black Sea
The Bosphorus has been a busy place today where first two Russian ships, the Alligator Class landing ship 150 Saratov and the Ropucha class landing ship 156 Yamal have passed the Turkish strait in a northerly, Black Sea, direction, followed promptly by the Ukrainian frigate U130 Hetman Sahaydachniy. Full steam ahead to a Sevastopol rendezvous? Find out in a few hours.
Photos and captions courtesy of Bosphorus Naval News:
Saratov passing through Bosphorus on 4 March 2014. Photo TRT
Yamal passing through Bosphorus on 4 March 2014. Photo AA
Ukrainian frigate Hetman Sahaidachny is passing through Bosphorus with Ukrainian flag hoisted.
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Turkey could legally prevent Russian ships from crossing Bosphorus, if it wanted. They could even use the same excuse the Russians love to use: minorities. In this case, Crimean Tatars.
Funny how all bad news are eventually market Bullish as "Resolution" talks are increasing market double of what worries drop it...
Like rumors about "Resolution" of Greek Crisis every other day contributed to at least 2000 dow up points same with this crap.
Amazing how market just returns to it's MEAN GROWTH at least 50 dow points up every single day so not only should they compensate for yesterdays loss of 50 up points but another up 50 today factoring loss of 150 points yesterday
Today will be up 250 points... Ukraine simply forgot was a blip
The Zimbabwe bourse did the same.
Most lost every penny because of their greed.
I'm sure it will be different this time, not.
Zimbabwe came about simply due to lack of supply. When a a whole country is fighting over the last loaf of bread prices tend to go up astronomically. Any country which relies on others to produce for them will eventually suffer the same fate.
In Zimbabwe, they were in debt following a war with the Congo so their Central Bank printed money to buy Zimbabwe's government bonds.
Which everyone knows is a completely ridiculous and idiotic thing to do.
It took 8 years of printing, but eventually it triggered a hyperinflationary bust.
There's a world of difference between legally and physically, but don't spoil it for me - I'll have to watch it on tape delay tonight.
Oh, I will spoil it for you.
<Shakes fist> Curse you surfer dude!
Thankfully you've given me a good reason not to watch the "unelected" teleprompter readers.
Don't think that DC/DOD aren't considering this, if they wanted to start a bigger conflict.
The question is: DO they?
And why would the EU and Turkey want another war on their turf, while the Americans enjoy a different kind of March Madness, sit back and laugh their lard-asses off?
I think America will keep it economic. This whole thing is just posturing.
I was thinking how when I read my history lessons, several years of conflict was pretty much summed up in a paragraph or two, that took a few minutes to read and forget. The real world appears to function a little differently, with long bouts of uncertainty and all the failings of humans. Conflicts simmer and simmer and boil. Then they cool off, and boil some more. The only way there is truly peace is when all of the "other guys" get killed.
The problem is that all of the "other guys" cannot understand that it's their own government that should be killed off.
They are still the same savages that killed off their neighboring hunter-gatherer tribes as a foraging and reproductive tactic.
That worked in the zero-sum economic game of nature but the Broken Window Fallacy doesn't work in modern positive-sum economies. The vast majority of all people are still animals run by innate behaviors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus
Martel it says in there
r the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits of July 1936. That convention, which is still in practical force as of 2011, treats the straits as an international shipping lane, but Turkey retains the right to restrict the naval traffic of non-Black Sea nations (such as Greece, a traditional enemy, or Algeria).
the Turks have many investments in Russia in real estate etc... the two countries are joined at the hip
Which countries aren't joined at the hip? Europe, and to some extent the U.S., have grown weak. They are no longer willing to resist bullying for the sake of protecting their freedoms. Instead, all decisions are now based on the economy. While I do not advocate militarism, limp-wristed actions by the West do not stop Putin. Georgian Republic was the first round, this is the second. Since the U.S. & Euro response is lacking, there is going to be a third round (and 4th, 5th..). Problems should be taken care of while they're still small.
Regarding Bosphorus, Turkey can temporarily stop executing the Montreux convention. This would kill two birds with one stone: isolate the Russian naval assets on the Black Sea, also making it difficult to maintain their fleet on the Mediterranean (Syria). If Obama had the balls or Ronald Reagan (or even one), he had already done this.
The US has shot its wad economically and militarily. We are printing $1 Trillion per year to maintain the welfare / warfare state. Currency debasement is always the end of an empire, as all other avenues of maintenance have been exhausted. We will continue to raise our best until the bitter end.
The "problems" you refer to have been created by the MIC and the banksters through their greed. Sometime reasonably soon they will cash out and jump (the American) ship, leaving their lackeys behind to take the fall while they move on to the next global power like some kind of super cockroach / leech hybrid.
If you cannot see that by now I cannot help you.
Sure, the U.S. is fucked up, badly. Sure, the banksters and money-printing Fed crooks, and greedy consumers with their over-drawn credit cards did it. But I've got news for you:
Every major country is as least as fucked up as the U.S. This includes Russia - especially Russia - which hasn't been able to establish anything worthwhile on the ruins of the Soviet Union. Nothing. You earn the right to complain when Obama's wealth exceeds that of Putin, $70 billion. At the very least, the U.S. banksters steal from the middle class Americans. Putin thinks nothing of stealing from the poorest Russians.
There is a difference between the kind world Russia is trying to establish, and the kind of world we in the West prefer to live. If you think you have nothing to lose, you are wrong. If you cannot see that by now, I cannot help you.
Strawman. I never said I had nothing to lose, and I never said Putin was a rock star or worthy of emulation. I do not accept your false choice, that of between western debt / tax slave and eastern serf. Where I come from we call this "framing the debate", and it is a hallmark of the MSM establishment.
Blow it out your ass, shill boy.
Funny, the way I remember it, the neocons and warmongers were all calling Reagan a pussy for initiating dialog with Gorbachev.
But hey, when you're a shill, the last thing you worry about is the truth.
Get your history straight, Jimmy C. When Reagan took office, he initiated an unprecedented military build up, with even some fake stuff (Star Wars). The Soviets could not respond to that, and trying to respond drove them broke. It became evident for even the reddest Commies they needed to change the system. In came Gorbachev with his Glasnost and Perestroika. Gorbachev was an old school Communist with no intention to destroy the Soviet Union. But once things were set in motion, he couldn't contain the flood.
First Reagan played tough with the Russians. When victory was already certain, he was willing to talk with Gorba. Without Ronald Reagan being tough first, the Soviet Union would have lasted at least a couple decades more. Reaganomics was faulty, though.
Hey, Shillary, get your history straight. Here's just one example of what you can find if you do a search using the terms "reagan" and "peacenik":
http://rare.us/story/reagans-greatest-achievement-is-hawks-greatest-fear/
Funny how "conservatives" even took out newspaper ads comparing Gorbachev to Hitler and Reagan to Neville Chamberlain.
Some things never change.
As for your "least dirty shirt" argument, it is demonstrably not true. The US is an empire in decline, with much more to lose than the other dirty shirts. We have further to fall. Our empire is built on feet of clay, a gigantic credit bubble, which burst by all accounts in 2008. Our debt to GDP is climbing dramatically, administration economic and budget projections notwithstanding. When we collapse, and we are on that slope right now, we lose EVERYTHING: liberty, empire, standard of living, global standing and pricing power, energy costs, political system (which is being preemptively turned into a surveillance dictatorship right now, isn't it? Because THEY also know what I just said is true).
The U.S. being the "least dirty shirt" is very much true. Japan will go totally bonkers way ahead of the United States. Europe in better shape? LOL! Russia has a great future as a resource-rich oligarchs' playground, just like it is now. For a common man, it has nothing to offer. Besides, their cities start resembling American ones, with the same weaknesses (urban sprawl etc). China? Difficult to say. They keep their problems hidden until those no longer can be hidden.
Clearly the U.S. is developing into a police state, but many countries receiving admiration here on ZH, such as Russia, are already police states. Corrupt police states, that is. You can verify this yourself. Haven't been in Russia for a few years, but these things do not change overnight.
This doesn't mean anything....yet. Same as with Syria. Ships were moved all over the place. Lets just hope this settles down soon. The people of the Ukraine need this like we need another four years of either party in the US.
Yeah and they're going to get it just like the US will get another four years.
(up the ass)
Regarding your last comment..........you can bank on that.
But, I thought those boats were in the Med to face down the US Fleet near Syria....
They have more than one way to do that.
Hetman Sahaidachny hoisted Ukranian flag now? I thought they went over and had Russian flag. Is it flipflopping? Mutiny? What's up with that?
but then it's also sailing with Russian ships. Perhaps the "defects to Russia" story was overblown and that it merely is loyal to Crimea & rejects orders from current Kiev regime.
Well, I guess we will find out when it docks. And where it docks.
If the ship is flying a Ukrainian flag the Ukrainian "government" has less of a foot to stand on when complaining to the Turks. Just as if the the US actually tried to move multiple smaller warships into the Black Sea, they would probably be flying Turkish flags and nominally under the command of Turkish officers while making the crossing (banksters and lawyers out-rank generals).
Good point.
this theatre of the absurd is a distraction for some other meme
Wooo, Russian ships headed toward Russian naval base.
SCARY!!!111!!1!!
too much pent up shit everywhere. all it takes is for economies to turn down ...
Just a bunch of sailors looking for a good place to get a piece of ass.
The Ukraine girls really knock me out.....
Good journalist. Glad to see she's not holding back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZolXrjGIBJs
Yeah probably western madia offered her a multimillion dollar contract to say that crap, come on she is in the news business she heard what Nuland said. Does she thing five billion dollars does not go to guns also. Mayb some of that five billion dollars went to her pockets lol.
they need to go to crimea to get fuel and vodka,
NATO HQ, Brussels
NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen will give a statement to the media at 17h (CET) today (4 March) at the NATO front entrance.
We recommend to refresh this page regularly until the live streaming starts.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/events_67375.htm
I just googled "Russian Naval Victory" - let's just say it' been awhile....
oh no, not a frigate! Shit is getting real.
Any mention on CNN or ZH about the agreement between Russia and Ukraine that allows them to deploy 25k troops [a limit they are still under] or about pics of tanks CNN is claiming are in Crimea as are in Russia?
I would take anything Reuters or CNN or most of the MSM has to say with a grain or three of salt.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-routine-use-of-fake-images-and-video-fo...
No doubt, in some circles the very best thing would be to provoke an incident with Ukraine or better yet, Turkey.
Inside the Pentagon: Preparing for War with Russia?Notwithstanding the fact NATO has been trying to encircle Russia since the early 90s and has been veery active in using USAID/NGOs to foment political instability, the anti-Russian trolls can be expected to come out in full force to present the case the US State department presents.... basically abject hypocrisy with interstitial new and interesting lies.
Who's the next Syrian Danny?
Yeah but they have super weapons,the S400's.
http://turkishnavy.net/2014/03/04/russian-warship-movements-through-turkish-straits-part-42/
Question that should be raised right about now...
If Adm. Denis Berezovsky voluntarily resigned as head of the Ukraine Navy -who is in charge of the Hetman Sahaidachny?
That ship is not going anywhere with two anchors hanging as such. Probably trying to find a safe place to sit out this situation. And, for the fact that it is two anchors hanging rather than one, that is an unmistakeable signal of intention. Normaly you do not use an anchor in battle.
Francesco Schettino he is free lancing these days. He loves the curvy Ukraine girls....
Black Sea: 2 ships enter, one ship leaves! 2 ship enter, one ship leaves!
Pretty stupid move of the Ukraine government to bring the frigate back to the Black Sea. If the ship is still under Ukraine command that is. The Russians will get their hands on the ship in one way or another. Or the ship will be sunk in combat. Would serve the Ukraine better if it stayed in a (EU) port outside the Black Sea.
Suicide mission like Dieppe 1942. We have a present for our Russian friends!!!
Isn't that "Ukrainian frigate" actually the flagship that defected to Russia a few days ago?