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"Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released

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The last time a leaked phone call out of Ukraine was released about a month ago ostensibly by the Russian NSA equivalent, one between US assistant sec state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, it was revealed that the real puppet masters behind the Maidan movement, and the true instigators of the Ukraine "revolution" were none other than the "developed" world superpowers, lead by the US. Also revealed were tensions between the US and EU strategies on how to overthrow the current government, culminating with the infamous "Fuck the EU." Needless to say the US, which implicitly confirmed the recording, was angry at Russia and accused it of using dirty tricks.

That's ironic, because when it comes to "dirty tricks" what is about to be presented, blows the top off anything Russia may or has done to date.

Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!

Here is the key exchange, just after 8 minutes into the conversation :

Paet: "All the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides. ... Some photos that showed it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it is really disturbing that now the new coalition they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition."

Ashton: "I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh."

Paet: "It already discreditates (sic) this new coalition."

So first US orchestrates the Kiev overthrow, and now the new "leaders" of Ukraine are allegedly found to have fired against their own people - the same provocation they subsequently used to run Yanukovich out of the country and install a pro-Western puppet government. Of course, said pro-Western coalition has not been discreditated (sic) because Ms. Ashton has sternly refused to investigate, knowing quite well how horribly this would reflect on the new Ukraine "leadership" -  a government which shot its own people to fabricate the pretext under which it rose to power.

Is it any wonder then that Russia has responded the way it has?

As for at least one of the affected parties, Estonia, it has just confirmed the authenticity of the recording, and the ministry of foreign affairs has organized a press conference to answer media questions today at 5 pm. From the Valisministeerium:

No. 84-E Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton uploaded to the Internet today, a phone call is authentic.


Paet and Ashton conversation took place on 26 February, following Estonia's Foreign Minister's visit to Ukraine, and immediately after the end of the street violence.


Foreign Minister Paet communicate what he had said about the meetings held in Kiev last day and expressed concern about the situation.


"It is extremely regrettable that such an interception is occurring at all""said Paet., Including its call for today's photos are not random," he added.

Yes, it is truly regrettable that the people know the truth.

Full leaked recording below:


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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:53 | 4511470 Steve in Greensboro
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Tell me again, who is supposed to be smarter, Bush or Obama?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4511478 Looney
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Our foreign policy in action – Military response? No… Sanctions? No… Visas? No… Just like a blind man peeing all over a mute man, who is screaming at a deaf man who is giving a Heimlich maneuver to a dead man. ;-)


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:58 | 4511513 SRSrocco
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PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS outlined all of this in his KWN interviewed last week:

He didn't say it was snipers, but he stated quite clearly that the RIGHT WING THUGS took over the protest and killed most of the police and protesters.


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:01 | 4511543 HoofHearted
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Oh, mean false flags really do happen? Remember the Maine. And don't dare think anything about 9/11...ever! 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:08 | 4511582 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Well, F*ck the EU. While we are at it, F*ck the Fed!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:19 | 4511607 nope-1004
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US foreign policy is pure evil, initiated for the complete and full financial control of the world and no one, not even "our side", will be spared in an effort to fulfill this directive.  Benghazi anyone?

A few years ago that old rag Madeline Albright said so in an interview.  Complete financial domination, from which sanctions and other "tools" can be employed to control other nations, is the goal.

Civil liberties, freedom, and quality of life mean nothing.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:28 | 4511681 Manthong
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Heavens to Mergatroid!

The US and EU put bad guys in control.

Say it ain’t so!

Oh well, I guess it’s up to ol’ Vlad to fix things in his back yard.

Got that, Sec State Mr. Ed?

Hey Victoria, how about some cookies for them snipers?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:32 | 4511711 i-dog
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The string-pullers behind this are a multnational organisation that sits above the US and EU. Part of this script is to totally discredit the US and democratic government. We're moving into the end game now...and I sense some desperation to get it happening more quickly and even out in the open. Hubris.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:40 | 4511762 jaap
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but but... EU was peace 4eva...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:58 | 4511875 Stuart
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Equally interesting is how Ashton quickly moved on from these very significant revelations, that the sniper doing the killing from the New coalition side.  She was almost dismissive.   Says much about Ashton and EU intention... don't give a shit in other words or already know but don't care for it doesn't change their agenda. ... Truth be damned, again. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:03 | 4511920 dontgoforit
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Someone trying to get it going between the U.S. and RU?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:12 | 4511984 DaddyO
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So the US and EU have blood on their hands?

This regime is so evil and corrupt as to boggle even my tin foil hat covered pea brain...


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:15 | 4512005 THX 1178
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As a citizen of the US, I feel compelled to apologize deeply for what has happened... but the US gov no longer represents me. It certainly doesn't represent those sheep that surround me 24/7 - they don't know any better. But what is someone to do when there is nothing one can do? It is out of my hands.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:19 | 4512024 john39
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Dennis Kucinich tells clown bill o'reilly how the USSA has dirty hands in Ukraine:

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:23 | 4512044 prains
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as of my timestamp ZH looks to be having trouble running more than three articles, this has been going on of over half an hour and with multiple refreshes. Also can't get into any article thru History………anyone else??

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:59 | 4512225 Oh regional Indian
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Apocalypse NOW

brothers mostly and sisters few

It is not time to stew

but dew ;-)


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:12 | 4513167 BaBaBouy
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OMABOA (Care) Folds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Obama said to allow 2-year renewal for old health plans

Americans who kept health plans that don't comply with Obamacare requirements will be able to renew those policies for two more years, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:03 | 4514598 Manthong
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"Ashton: "I think we do want to investigate."

Is Catherine Ashton related to Bart Chilton at all?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:11 | 4514626 mjcOH1
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"Paet: "All the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides. ... Some photos that showed it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it is really disturbing that now the new coalition they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition."


Wait a minute....WHAT evidence? The Estonian foreign minister saying 'all the evidence shows' is neither evidence of anything nor shows anything. But let's not go confusing the issue with the facts here.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 05:57 | 4515839 Paveway IV
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You have the Estonian foreign minister's opinion and Tyler-evych looking sadly desperate on one side, and physics and ballistics on the other. 

What am I missing about the Tyler obsession with bringing down the Ukrainian uprising? Is it really worth driving traffic away from ZH? 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 07:42 | 4515936 Archduke
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absolultna.  prove it.

same type of bullets?


everybody and their sister has an AK or SKS and they all fire 7.62R.


you need ballistics to prove the bullets came from the same rifles.

or perhaps some spectroscopic or isotopic signature proving they

came from the same batch, and a reasonable number of well placed

shots proving this wasnt just accidental friendly fire on the other side.


let's see some numbers.

anything else is spin.



Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:00 | 4513977 Kirk2NCC1701
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So, will snipers in Kiev lead to a Sniper-Control Act in the USSA?

Little or nothing surprises me these days.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:33 | 4515277 Wahooo
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2 billion DHS rounds is a lot of snipes. May have to go snipe hunting at some point.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:01 | 4512227 James_Cole
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It's surprising people on here are so shocked / offended by this. You know your government trained and financially supported countless death squads for many decades, right?

Were y'all in a coma during the 80s?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:13 | 4512278 DaddyO
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What about the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's

Governments are corrupt by definition, let's not paint with partisan colors...


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:02 | 4512513 James_Cole
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Sure, it goes back to the beginning. 80s was somewhat unique because of the huge numbers of people killed in countries without the cover of war & certainly not officially at war / threat the us. 

This is interesting for those who have the time:

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:38 | 4513000 ebear
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1973  Santiago Stadium'état

Anyone building a timeline should probably go back to 1898:–American_War

Although 1846 would work just as well:–American_War

This has been going on for a long time.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:02 | 4513120 James_Cole
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Chile was the blueprint for overthrowing latin American democracies. Funny that the west hasn't deviated from that script a notch, yet nobody acknowledges it. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:00 | 4514885 Johnny Cocknballs
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actually, Iran was.  But point taken. 

The people of Ukraine are about to find out...


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:05 | 4512564 Rock On Roger
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All these so called 'leaders' are traitors to humankind.

None of them are working with the interest of their constituents in mind.

Crucifiction might be a good punishment, especially for the fuckers who think they're doing god's work.


Stack On

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:25 | 4512931 Muddy1
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No, No, you've got it all wrong, DaddyO.  This has nothing to do with the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, or 90's.  This has to do with the US using 19th century tactics in the 21st century.  Wait, er, ah forget what I said.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:28 | 4513582 chunga
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Can anyobody here speak Ukrainian?

Well, here's a short video (2 minutes) in which one of the “revolutionaries” is “holding discussions” with a Ukrainian Attorney General, on camera. The choking and head slap gives it away a little.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:53 | 4513682 James_Cole
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rt - take it as you will. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:09 | 4513772 chunga
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Is that the same guy in the link I posted?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:11 | 4513777 James_Cole
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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:40 | 4513899 chunga
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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:13 | 4515190 Rylie
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hit the CC at the bottom of the video and Youtube translates it for you.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:36 | 4514127 Col. kong
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I don't speak Ukrainian however my take on this is just the normal conduct of a Raider fan say at the DMV or like anywhere they go!
I think everyone here is missing the point of this whole uprising. These guys are just angry Raider fans!!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:13 | 4515189 SmackDaddy
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That hat gives him about as much credibility as it would on the streets of Oakland...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:33 | 4512274 Independent
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MAIDAN is AMERICA'S, EUs, and ISRAEL's TIANEMEN SQUARE !!!!! How many innocent people in this world have and are being killed for the sake of dual citizen American Style Diplomacy.  Does one even think for a moment that the founding fathers would of shot their own revolutionaries to create a false flag event.  I choose to believe they wouldn't have.  I looked on yahoo and google and nothing about this story.  Figures what is going on, damage control.  I would like to see how the Ukraine army now reacts, if I was a soldier I would be pretty ticked off enough to surround the capital, and keep any flights from leaving and get all those goose stepping right wing mofos and have a nice mussolini type execution.  Yeah US typical operation, one need only look at all the Banana Wars in South and Central America and the Regime Changes and so on.  One has to ask at this point was the Holocaust a False Flag Event, given the pure evil of these people.  We know that Israeli special forces were fighting for the movement.  One guy even said when the snipers started shooting he pulled his squad of Ukrainians and Israelis fighting under him, 20 some odd people out of the square, did he not want his friends shot because he knew about the modus operandi?  Were the mercenaries doing the shooting Israeli special forces?  Certainly the oligarchs were very eager to join up with the EU to unload their ill gotten gains.  Where is the outcry from the International Tribunal, why are they not clamoring to go in and investigate? Is it because it is a selective body for whom war crimes are only those done by people that dont pay for their salaries and fancy euro capital restaurant lunches and dinners?  I feel like I am living in a nightmare fairy tale where Snow White is the Evil Witch with blood on her hands.  In their quest for financial gain and enslavement of other countries the deaths of innocent lives just means a new granite counter in a sea side villa for some oligarchs and beauracrats and technocrats.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:46 | 4512465 Hephaestus
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I agree its all coming to a head now and the Chinese + Russians will put a stop to it one way or another. They DONT NEED us or our bankers.

If the money has been running like this in a great big circle for decades example.

US consumer-->Walmart-->China-->US debt-->federal spending-->US consumer

I have to wonder why the Chinese never let wages/profits climb to the point of trade equilibrium? What did they have to gain by basically making their population work like slaves for the US? This is holding down living standards in China!

That is a very dangerous game for the Chinese govt. to play. Their #1 priority is maintaining control of over a billion people! They have been playing the long long game. All of it was designed to use Americas greed to asset strip the US of...

1. Jobs
2. Equipment
3. Technology
4. Trade secrets (military and corporate)
if you doubt it see here -

So now China is rapidly closing in on the point where the Master(US) has nothing left to teach. We ran out of factories for them to take. The true purpose of running a trade surplus vs. the US is gone. They can now produce anything they want.

The Chinese need us? How? What raw material is so important that the MONSTER Chinese manufacturing base would collapse without it? Its just completely impossible that the Chinese could import raw materials and pay for them by returning part of it as finished goods? Americans still do this today at sawmills. You have some trees the sawmill cuts em up and gets some for payment. Simple as that.You dont need any currency for production and through diplomacy China can do it with foreign nations rich in natural resources but poor in "paper". 

I call BULLSHIT on the idea that the Chinese are fooked without the US! In fact the opposite is true. Where oh where will Americans get iPhones computers pots pans toys xboxes without the Chinese? We certainly will not just throw open all the old factories and resume production. We lack

1. The power grid to support heavy industry.
2. The tradesmen to operate said factories.(min 5 years to train one maint tech.)
3. The freedom to start a new enterprise that is profitable.(Endless rules & regulations EPA OSHA etc.)
4. Engineers of the uncivil variety.
5. Rail transport. We have pulled up rail lines and made hiking trails out of them!
6. Capital. not funny money - mills lathes CNC machining centers buildings foundries and so fourth.

We can build it all again just not overnight. I think maybe one or two decades if we are willing to work hard as nation. All that debt the Chinese hold is really just a policy tool. The longer this goes on the stronger it gets too. They never expected to ruin America and have our paper be good. We however might be dumb enough trade our valuable land for our own junk paper(facepalm) The only thing holding the financial shit show together is military force. If China finds a way to keep trade routes open against our will......

That is where the DF-21 and other Chinese war machine breakthroughs come in. They will not attack the US they will stop the US from isolating them from raw materials. Materials like energy. So the China Russia Iran partnership is pretty easy to understand. Together they can cut the entire freeloading western world out of their pie when (not if) they can push the US gun out of their collective faces. At that point this bankster financial "glass house of cards built clear to space" will come crashing down.

The new circle paradigm

Chinese consumer-->Chinese Walmart-->chinese Factory-->Chinese consumer-->

Just like it used to be in America - shocker right? and not at all impossible from my view. Somewhere between 1960 and now the American attitude has changed from "Get out of the way I'll make it myself" to "Snap the govt cut my SNAP!" Without the Chinese to cover the REAL US decline Americans will wake up in a third world country almost over night.




Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:08 | 4512578 El Diablo Rojo
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The Chinese need us? How? What raw material is so important that the MONSTER Chinese manufacturing base would collapse without it?

Answer: Coal.

Berkshire Hathaway sells tons of coal to china. It leaves out of the port of Long Beach every day.

China has more coal plants than any other country. No scrubbers, no precipitators, no bag houses, hence the pollution.

China is buying up assets worldwide every day, when they have a section of the market cornered, then they can do away with us.  A few more years, would be a guess.


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:39 | 4512738 Hephaestus
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We shouldnt be giving them our coal anyway. We should be sending lumber food and other "renewable" resources. Coal doesnt grow back for a few million years and we will need it desperately soon. It says something about the state of America that we are selling energy. Americans are power hogs and when all this fracking stops we are SOL.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:30 | 4512958 Hephaestus
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I bet the Chinese would have no interest in our coal if the US was a little more willing to share some oil from say




and coming soon(again) Iran.

Any of these countries sound familiar?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:42 | 4513022 Divided States ...
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A little off topic, looks like the US is using Japan as a way to get under China's skin and stir up trouble there. Yes now everthing seems to be making more sense. And who are in charge of the USA? fuckin Israel. No wonder even the Chinese hate the Jews.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:06 | 4514911 i-dog
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Japan is being used to divert China's attention from Xinjiang (Muslim separatists being used to attempt to separate the Central Asian energy fields from the East Asian energy consumers).

Israel is not the problem, though Zionists are certainly part of the problem.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:50 | 4513390 El Diablo Rojo
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I am in agreement with you. We shouldn't be selling our resources.  When I was working in Long Beach, saw it daily.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:30 | 4512963 eclectic syncretist
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One thing China doesn't need that we do have is fertile land.  Have a look at this list of agricultural output by country.

Even normalized for population China's output is still higher than the US.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:33 | 4513270 Hephaestus
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Have you seen whats coming out of our schools now? What do you expect these kids to do build quantum accelerators? Growing potatoes might just be more than they can handle!

Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:49 | 4514839 tbone654
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enjoy the last days of rome...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:19 | 4513540 Unknown User
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The only thing holding the shit-show together is the banking cartel and the military force.  And to keep these two happy US has to find whole countries for them to plunder.  Hence Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Ukraine, etc...  The plunder will only get bigger and more blatant.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:17 | 4514958 HardAssets
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Well some of us remember when the Chinese could barely feed themselves. They were no industrial powerhouse. The powers that be in the west off shored factories and jobs that were in America. They liked the idea of slave labor under a totalitarian regime. No problems with pesky unions or environmentalists !  And they could keep their funny money printing game going. Joe Average American didn't see how much his money was being steadily inflated away decade after decade. Joe US had cheap goods out of China.  The Chinese took the money they earned and put it into US Treasuries in order to keep the yuan devalued and them competitive in world trade. So Joe US also had access to cheap money.

Those in US corporations and government took what was built by generations of Americans and pissed it away.

They didn't do that to benefit this country. They did it to benefit themselves, (and perhaps to help bring about their vision of a 'new world order'.)

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:40 | 4513010 Lore
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Re: "was the Holocaust a False Flag Event"


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:17 | 4514030 Lost Word
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Perhaps to the extent that a few influential Jews openly or secretly supported Nazi Germany,

and to the extent the Holocaust provided a reason to support Zionism,

and thus to the extent that Jews supported Zionism before and after the Holocaust,

as a matter of cause and effect,

and to the extent that the number of Jewish Holocaust victims was exagerated ?

After all, the 9-11 False Flag murdering of American so-called allies was orchestrated by Jews and NeoCons was for the benefit of Jewish Israel.

"Dancing Israeli's" on 9-11.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:35 | 4514767 forexskin
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false flag? means somebody wanted to benefit, but divert attention.

for details see:

what was the benefit? palestine

how? shock the world with the holocaust and receive palestine

why divert attention? balfour agreement wasn't about acetone. it was quid pro quo for getting the US into WWI, thereby saving Britain's ass.

BTW, the author is a Jew who just wanted the truth out.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:41 | 4512123 J S Bach
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It's "The Lobby" that controls U.S. foreign policy... make no mistake about it.  I have a feeling Vlad had a few unflattering things to say to Bibi a while back and in typical (by deception thou shalt do war) fashion, Mossad & CIA assets were sent out to do what they do best - terrorize, murder and wreak havoc.

God bless the Russians and true Ukrainians... may they have the fortitude to iron this out and reveal who the real culprits are.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:33 | 4512382 Leto II
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"God bless the Russians"

Lets not forget Putin had his own 9-11...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:10 | 4512587 SamAdams
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Never trust authority, as authority will be abused to preserve and expand power.  History shows this is a constant.

We already knew that agent provacateurs were the snipers.  That's straight from the playbook.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:02 | 4513065 Lore
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Wiki (wicca) is a terrible source, outlawed by schoolteachers for student citation, but even it acknowledges "little evidence" for a false flag allegation.

The lesson from recent events is that everything hinges on moral high ground and doing the right thing. The "Anglo-Americans" have proven themselves to be so full of shit that the only rational explanation is that they take their orders from psychopaths. As such, they have lost already.

Furthermore, somebody needs to round up those snipers and hand them over to the crowd.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:31 | 4513259 Leto II
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To clarify, I am in no way saying the US is in the right here (obviously quite the opposite)...just trying to point out, as others have, that nearly all Governments are evil and rotten to the core.

Civilians at best are squeezed for money, and at worst used as cannon fodder.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:06 | 4513747 Lore
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Hi Leto - We're on the same page, clearly. The psychopaths needs to be stopped ASAP.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 05:25 | 4515815 thestarl
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Spot on Leto as Celente often observes they're the same pricks we despised at school

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:20 | 4514058 Lost Word
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Some people have said that those Russian bombings were False Flag attacks.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:15 | 4512610 DeadFred
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I think the Western intelligence agencies were blindsided by the Russians' ability to intercept encrypted calls. The Russians first let the fact be known when they released the Nuland recording and now (I suspect) they're showing they can listen in on the Europeans as well. If one has the ability to break codes one never lets the other side know it unless something really important is to be gained. My guess is that the Nuland tape was a warning to back off from the Ukraine and this leak is a warning to back off from sanctions. My guess is that Obama is too stupid and arrogant to heed the warning. He will push it and then the stuff will hit the fan. Give it about a week or two.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:10 | 4513154 Hephaestus
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You got that feeling too eh. Time will tell just how many signals they have. 

Ssssshhhh on the down low - I think the Russians might have found some help from /i computers + enginneers :)

"When it comes to mathematics, reading and science, young people in Shanghai are the best in the world, according to a global education survey released Tuesday"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:23 | 4513316 Unknown User
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They are trying to prevent a war.  Nothing less would have made them show their hand.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:50 | 4514205 caustixoid
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If it gets nasty enough maybe the Russians can leak some intercepts between US officials about 9/11.  Viewers of American Pravda (MSM) may not be able to see the laws of physics in those events, but I'm pretty sure the Russians and Chinese could.   The narrative allowed them to suppress their own 'muslim extremists' so they kept quiet.  But now?  Perhaps it's time for Putin to go all De Niro:  "you want to play games???  okay, I'll play you fucking games".

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:40 | 4514790 forexskin
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uhhh would that be putin goin all Pacino? i can never tell - scarface - godfather...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:36 | 4515044 caustixoid
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De Niro in the Deer Hunter (playing Russian Roulette)

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:25 | 4515779 old naughty
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There were two players: Bob vs Chris.

And guess we have Vlad vs John?

What are the odds?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 08:19 | 4515979 Liberty2012
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Stupid / Incompetent is a convenient excuse for some people. It provides excellent cover. It allows them to avoid responsibility. Same thing with "unintended consequences".

Their goals tell the story.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:47 | 4512161 dontgoforit
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It was not the U.S.  Not the Russians.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:17 | 4512620 kchrisc
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I am an American citizen, not US subject.


The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying , quit playing
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:57 | 4512811 TruthHunter
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"Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?"

Only problem is it usually takes another sociopath to take them on. Liberals are too

nice to punish the little deviants.

A Sociopath with a gun is usually worse than one playing 3 card Monte.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:37 | 4512996 THX 1178
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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:18 | 4514395 NeedtoSecede
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I agree with you kchisc, and would add break it up into 5 or 6 republics that restore the sovereignty to the states and The People.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:59 | 4514882 tbone654
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if you hypothetically split the u.s. into four countries and restored one of them to a full constitutional republic...  That one of four would probably be the one with the highest land value, even though all the libs would be flocking out...  supply and demand curve would go crazy...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:22 | 4512333 Doubleguns
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DaddyO at this point it's time to put on the copper colander. The tin foil will not stand up to the heat. I suggest you get a chin strap for it too!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:37 | 4512412 DaddyO
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I'll shop for it this afternoon, thanks.


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:02 | 4512551 Flakmeister
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He should get the model with ear flaps to be sure...

Good call on the copper though, much better conductivity...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:24 | 4512652 DaddyO
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I'll need those ear flaps for all this global warming that's been happening, huh Flak?


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:36 | 4512720 Flakmeister
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Depending on where you live...

Winter still exists last time I checked...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:00 | 4512819 Hephaestus
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Since even the craziest conspiracies have been so far behind I recommend a full Body Faraday Cage!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:08 | 4512859 DaddyO
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:29 | 4512955 Flakmeister
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It's got your name on it....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:42 | 4514800 forexskin
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global warming honey brings out the trants - again.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:15 | 4514375 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Gotta stand with the Flakmeister on this, down vote just to down vote is wrong. Hell it might be racist. Or conservative or god forbid some kinda of Tea Party stuff. Or anti AGW!

Copper Bitchzes


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:17 | 4512014 bitHedge
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Hitlery: "What difference does it make who was shooting protestors!?"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:18 | 4512307 DoubleTap
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Ashton did say, "Gosh". What more do you want from a rep. of the EU?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:03 | 4512555 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Gosh." Translation: "But they said nobody would find out."

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:32 | 4512641 Independent
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EU is all of a sudden offering 15 billion dollars hmmm.  I mean they were tight with the money after the revolution, just like USA only giving one billion of loan guarantees, now the guilty conscience offering 15 billion, hoping maybe that this will dominate the headlines and buy over the people in Maidan square. " They shot my son but now they are giving 15 billion, I am so happy let me get on Twitter and Facebook and Google Plus and all the other self promoting Dual Citizen Sites brought to the mainstream by their monopoly on big media which brought these companies out of obscurity with constant mentions and features in their programming, cause there weren't like a ton of other small companies that were just as good if not better with their products"

One still has to remember that the so called peaceful protestors were shooting also at the police.  It was they who escalated the confrontation and who are responsible.  And with all the corruption here in the USA with trillions in Pentagon funds unaccounted for, and pallets of cash dropped in Afghanistan unaccounted for, and TARP funds given with no accounting necessary courtesy of Congress, we all know that such demonstrations would be squashed in the USA especially if there was gunfire from protestors the Washington DC police force would hand out quick justice.  For example just look at that mom in the black infinity trying to get away in a moment of panic with her baby in the car.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:18 | 4512625 thecoloredsky
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Sniper forensics - BBC

they mention police were spotted with scoped rifles - but are they really police? One thing is for certain, the snipers did shoot from the bank.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:31 | 4512688 Volkodav
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Brits media cannot be trusted.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:39 | 4512739 Independent
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Even in that BBC clip for an instant they show a protestor with a high powered rifle and scope.  So if these guys are firing at you and you are a policeman and your friend next to you was dropped by some of these snipers would you not fire back especially if people were running towards your position to storm it.  There is clearly footage of the neo nazis escalating the conflict.  In the beginning it was bricks and molotov cocktails, when that did not work they started shooting at the police to increase the level of violence.  The guys that were shot were aggressively running towards police lines, its not like they were doing a Gandhi thing.  Even without this sniper thing coming up. It was pretty obvious what these thugs were doing on the ground that day.  Yet everyone seems oblivious to that and they are nationa heroes for not waiting a few months for the next elections, but choosing to overthrow a democratically elected government so they can sign up with the EU and the IMF without a plebiscite occuring.  Say what you will about Yanukovich but he was doing what he was elected for, trying to get the best deal for his people.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:44 | 4513038 ebear
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"One thing is for certain, the snipers did shoot from the bank."

What, no grassy knoll?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:41 | 4514797 thecoloredsky
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i was implying that they were protecting the bank at all costs! maybe i'm reaching a bit.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:22 | 4513555 SAT 800
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Tell it to the families of the Libyan housewifes who were blown up by the peaceful French Air Force.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4511768 Manthong
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Time to go watch "V" again.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:46 | 4511811 Four chan
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sniper "fuck it"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:50 | 4511840 Calmyourself
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You know if we all gave up our guns and only the government had guns we would all be so much safer.  I trust my local stasi they want whats good for me.. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:57 | 4511884 Lost Word
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It may well be a False Flag attack,

I would not put it past the NeoCons,

considering the history of False Flag attacks, 9-11, etcetera,


the Estonian statement and the EU reply hardly seems sufficient proof.

Merely saying something happened is not proof.

Hype the propaganda view, regardless of evidence.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:43 | 4512136 NotApplicable
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The proof is in the fact that they were talking about "their" side, duh. Otherwise, their comments would've been dismissive, or at least skeptical if they didn't know this as a fact.


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:10 | 4512298 Independent
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Ashtons faked surprise is so obvious because of the dismissive tone in her voice and desire to move on right away, the B***H was in on it I am sure.  The EU is just as guilty as the USA on this one in my opinion, they know the what kind of filth populates the the US diplomatic corps and well I bet you anything Ashton and Nuland toasted tea cups over the whole affair after their people were in power.  Trust me while the American public may not be in the streets about this, people in Eastern Europe are quietly learning the truth about American democracy, they are already seeing the shackle around the ankles and writst. I hope this buries the EU.  I can see when she was having her tea saying to Nuland my son is going to Oxford and Nuland saying my son is going to Harvard after his year in Israel, I hear that some Ukrainian mothers' sons are going six feet under....<snickers on either side of the table>....yeah victoria what difference does it make, we get to make a lot of money.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:08 | 4516336 supermaxedout
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You did not get it till now: The EU comission in Brussels is a Nato outlet. Nato head quarter is next door. There is a sitiation, that the EU comission in Brussels says and does what is decided in Washington and London. While the EU itself during the last yeas realized that something has to change. There are monthly (I think)  meetings of the heads of states of the EU member states.  And till now this forum is making the decisions for Europe.  But of course it can not ignore Brussels (Nato) because its the US/UK which holds the true epower in Europe. By its military, the CIA and other UK/US Secret Services such as NSA etc. . Not to forget that media are totally US/UK controlled.  So the native continental Europeans do have a hard time living under the supervision and control of the US. After WWII this was beneficial because it avoided conflicts within Europe. But nowadays its different. Nobody can imagine a war amomg members of the extended Euroland.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:06 | 4513138 Urban Redneck
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Whether or not it was a false flag attack is I my mind a lesser issue, than if Cuntess Ashton, The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, not did not take concrete actions to ascertain the validity of accusation, but sought to bury it, she is guilty of being an ACCESSORY TO MURDER.

Seems to me there is court right down the road (ICC) that specializes in prosecuting murderous criminals holding high office. Either there is rule of law, or there is not rule law. If there is not rule law, the Teletubby PM, the wanker royals, the Mollusc and their entire families are legitimate targets, for anyone who chooses to exercise that power. That is the freedom of Anarchy, and the cost of shredding the Social Contract.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:26 | 4512355 Perfecthedge
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Time to go watch "Assault on Wall Street" (

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:16 | 4512603 Independent
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Typical Hollywood ploy let the people get their frustrations out in an imaginary film.  They sit down eat their popcorn and drink the soda all in an environment made by companies owned by the bankers.  Then they let all their frustrations out in that two hour film, feel like they detoxed and accomplished something and then quietly go home and be a muppet again.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 08:18 | 4515969 Drifter
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Same thing ZH and similar sites do, let people vent their frustrations, feel like they've done something. 

None of these sites will ever be able to say "we helped restore liberty in America". 

They're putting it further off, and might be contributing to it not happening at all.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:47 | 4511814 USisCorrupt
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String pullers? Try Putin who has Snowden behind a desk using a back door access into the NSA Computers. A level playing field at last, hehe.....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:49 | 4511835 john39
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snowden is a psy-op.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:59 | 4511898 Thought Processor
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Yes Snowden is CIA.


Question is:  What is Putin?????

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:13 | 4511992 john39
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time will tell.  But, bear this in mind.  In a world that is almost totally controlled by a shadow government, Putin could only rise to powerful if he played the game very well.  In other words, even the shadow masters are probably wondering, what side is Putin really on.  If he is truly against the banker cartel, it would be necessary for them to believe the contrary, at least until the time was right.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:20 | 4512030 Thought Processor
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Agreed.  That said it may be some time before we know the real story.  


Just looking for clues at this point.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:54 | 4512197 eatapeach
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Mikhail Baryshnikov is KGB.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:22 | 4512644 TheMeatTrapper
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"Snowden is CIA"

I disagree. 


What does the CIA gain by discrediting the NSA and divulging millions of the most highly classified documents in the world? 

What does Snowden gain by giving up a comfortable life in Hawaii for a life in Russia?

How did the CIA get Putin to go along with the operation?

Until somebody can answer these questions, I call BULLSHIT on the 'Snowden is a CIA' meme.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:44 | 4512763 Thought Processor
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Internal Turf War.  CIA no likey NSA.  Snowden is a CIA officer and is currently on a psy-op.

Been this way for a long time.   They don't play well together.   CIA has more power.

It's a DC power game being played out.


But don't take my word for it, do your own research.   


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:21 | 4512912 SMG
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I did, you're missing the fact the CIA and the NSA are controlled by the same people who control the Fed, the city of London, K-street and our politicians etc.  The real power is hidden with the Bankster Oligarchs who are not in DC, hiding behind the curtain, who ultimately want a depopulated global slave state.

Snowden is an American patroit who was disgusted by what he was doing, and wanted to do something about it.   Putin's going along with him because he points out the hypocracy of our bankster run government.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:23 | 4513209 Thought Processor
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Keep in mind how DC works.  They are all not one big happy family as you message suggests.  There exists within it power bases that exercise dominance over other power bases.   

Google ONI and 9/11 if you want to learn more.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:27 | 4514082 Lost Word
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Factions fighting rival gangsters.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:41 | 4515879 jerry_theking_lawler
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Hasn't Russia been more 'emboldened' since Snowden went there...??? Stood up in Syria. Standing up now in the Ukraine. Exposing the West lies on a regular basis.

Do they have NSA secrets about plans, etc and are using this as leverage against the USSA?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:03 | 4513735 TheMeatTrapper
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@Thought Processor:

Don't worry. I won't take your word for it because you can present neither any direct evidence, any circumstantial evidence or even a coherent explanation of any benefit to Snowden being a plant. You cannot answer a single question I posed. 


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:53 | 4513078 ebear
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"Question is:  What is Putin?????"


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:57 | 4511843 i-dog
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Putin is playing his role in the overall script. He's no shining democratic knight. However, the "boyz" don't want those oil rich stans (or the pipes through Ukraine) coming under Putin's control and giving him any big ideas, so they'll each be "handed" to crony oligarchs who will do what they are told. IMO.

And as John says, Snowden is a psyop. Another part of the script of discrediting the US government.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:59 | 4512221 Anusocracy
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Total bullshit.

The US government has been discrediting itself from its very inception. It's all based on half truths and outright lies.

You're just a non-thinking true-believing DUPE.


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:15 | 4513176 Urban Redneck
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It was Putin and the Kremlin apparatus that anointed Abramovich and Deripaska to win the war. Abramovich's selection was entirely predictable given his early support for Putin back when Yeltsin blundering around like a drunken idiot. But neither Abramovich nor Deripaska had the men or firepower to win that war and escape unscathed, without backing from the Kremlin.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:27 | 4512058 Future Jim
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"The string-pullers behind this are a multnational organisation that sits above the US and EU"

A single multinatonal organizaton?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:47 | 4512155 i-dog
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Yes (and no ... they have two faces).

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:10 | 4512255 Future Jim
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Who are they?

There aren't muliple powerful organizations with common interests?

Why are you still alive? (All serious questions.)

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:56 | 4512458 i-dog
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This NWO shit has been building for far longer than almost all current organisations as you see them. For example, it started before the Rothschilds had any money at all (they made nothing from the American Revolution, made a fortune from the Napoleonic Wars, then dropped from an order of magnitude larger than any competitor to about 5th on the list during WWI, then lost more during WWII). Soon - if the NWO gets their way - there won't even be any banks (with a global crypto-currency and a wallet on a thumb drive - or EBT card - who needs a bank?).

Same thing goes for the big industrialists: Ford's, Carnegie's and Rhodes' fortunes ended up in foundations controlled by 'others'. Rockefeller's foundation is also guided by those 'others' (though still with Rockefellers on the board and carrying their water). When they're dead, Gates' and Buffet's money will go into foundations controlled by those same 'others'. I expect it's a condition of being granted 'most favoured corporation' status and protection.

In fact, if you trace it to its roots, the NWO started waaaaaay back (they trialled communism in the 1600s). The Georgia Guidestones give a guide as to how many of us they would like to keep IF they gain total control. It's racial (and it's not the joos).

I'm still alive because I'm not an insider betraying them and I have almost no voice or following.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:04 | 4512800 Future Jim
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"they trialled communism in the 1600s"

I get the impression you are not referring to communism vs. Free Markets at Plymouth Rock and Jamestown, which were also in the 1600's.

You have mentioned SMOM before (they go back to the crusades), but I could not find anything too incriminating about them, or that backed up some of your specific claims, such as their membership, such as how John Roberts was knighted by them and took an oath to obey them the day after his Obamacare decision. I only found that he probably was in Malta the next day.

Anyone with a little money could make the Georgia guidstones, so it is interesting but not compelling.

Do you think I captured the spirit of their thinking in Why We Elites Manage Innovation?

Other than not going back far enough, did I adequately explain What is Wrong with the People?

Did I capture how American Christians are being played in Jesus Confronts an American Believer?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:52 | 4514849 i-dog
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This is now a dead thread, so I won't go into any details here, but I'd be happy to discuss off-line if you like. I couldn't find an email contact on your blog.

Your blog on the Pilgrims was most interesting. I was referring to the Jesuit Reductions, which began in Paraguay in 1609. I wasn't aware of the details of the Mayflower Compact 11 years later ... but they're strongly related.

I also enjoyed all 3 of your other linked articles and agree with most of your analysis, but would challenge some of what I interpreted to be your implied conclusions.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:16 | 4515421 Future Jim
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I sent you a contact request through ZH. Respond here if you didn't get it.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:33 | 4515458 i-dog
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I've 'approved' it...but have no idea what happens next. I'll leave it to you.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 11:45 | 4515513 Future Jim
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It looks like what that does is let us chat through a chat room after you go to your account and click the edit tab and then "enable chat".


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:36 | 4512096 DoubleTap
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What does the Grim Reap... I mean John McCain have to do with all of this? McCain is a US Senator that supposedly represents the state of AZ. Yet this POS turns up everywhere all hell is breaking out all over the world. He doesn't work for the state dept. McCain is an evil pos, along with his buddies Graham and Liberman.


McCain has more to do with the World Economic Forum and their desire to "reshape" the world, than he's ever had as a Senator


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:55 | 4512200 i-dog
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I'll give you a hint: 'Baptist' John sent his boys to a Jesuit school.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:41 | 4512433 Independent
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Would not be surprised if John McCainn flew the plane that dropped the gas munitions on that false flag operation in Syria.  That midget is pure evil he probably relished the images of little kids and their moms gasping for air foaming at the mouth.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:45 | 4515728 AnAnonymous
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That's the vatican?

'Americans' already eager of taking shelter in fantasy...

In reality, no 'american' gets discredited for acting the 'american' way. On the contrary, they get credited for that.

The reality though, that this world is an 'american' world that keeps moving toward even more 'americanism' everywhere, is too brutal for 'americans' to accept. They need fantasy. Where is that 'american' paradise they have been talking of that should have been as soon as 'americans' got in power?

In the Ukrainian case, it is 'americanism' all the way. Since 'american' start on 1776, July, 4th, it has provided with enough material to determine what being 'american' means.

'Americans' are behaving the 'american' way.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:27 | 4512060 Kirk2NCC1701
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Having backed the revolting Revolt, which was hijacked by these Nazi thugs, TPTB are (for now) stuck with them and will back them publicly until they can quietly replace them.

In the meantime, TPTB will play the "Clinton denial" card.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:46 | 4512461 Independent
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Kirk there was no hijack, these guys were partners at the table, and everyone that sat at that table knew what was going to happen in the Square that day.  I remember that picture of the National Security Council with Obama at the head table and realized he had his watermelon iced tea and skittles right there next to him all along.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:57 | 4511881 Oldballplayer
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The sad thing is that MOST Americans don't have a clue, and they would want to hang the folks who did this if they knew.

A VAST majority of Americans just want to be left the fuck alone.  Its not like we wish anyone ill, we just don't have a dog in the fight and don't want to get all wrapped up in it.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:13 | 4511989 KickIce
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I've tried to tell a couple people that the most dangerous terrorists are in DC and all I get is blank stares, most are unable to process it.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:28 | 4512366 Doubleguns
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Tell the story like a soap opera and they will listen. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:12 | 4513264 KickIce
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That might have some potential:

Blythe: Oh Jamie, through deceit and manipulation I've screwed over half the world.

Jamie (As he throws a whistleblower out the window with 3 self-inflicted nail gun shots to the head): You slut, I think I love you even more.  And don't worry, I've screwed the other half.

Jon:  But I saved the ponzi and in the process saved metals and confiscated prime farmland.


Obama: I need a drone for a terrorist that has never done on anything American soil.  He'll be at a wedding so we might kill "a few" innocent people.


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:23 | 4512041 Crash Overide
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What difference does it make!!!?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:05 | 4512248 Anusocracy
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"A VAST majority of Americans just want to be left the fuck alone."

And that "VAST majority" also wants to control EVERYBODY ELSE.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:36 | 4512403 Ferrari
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Up to a point the American people want to be left alone. At the same time they keep getting bombarded with calls for new wars, and never put up much of stink to say, "Let's sit this one out." The Vast Majority seem to be too comfortable with the narrative that we constantly need a new war, need to account for half the world's defense budget, and yet for all the high taxes & debt, we can't seem to keep the lights on in major cities or to pave the roads or keep the bridges up. Fat, dumb & ignorant isn't noble.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:29 | 4512683 Oldballplayer
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I think you saw a stink starting to rise about Syria.  The thing is that Obama pulled back so fast that it never got to the simmering point.

I think the VASt majority, are not paying attention.  They feel they do not have to for some reason.

I always had the TV News on when I was a kid and the adults around me always included my in discussions about stuff.    I did the same with my kids.

But their friends?  Forget it.  I live in a rich town, and the THIRD kid from my daughter's graduating class of 180 klds just died of an overdose.

Fucking rich idiot sloths.

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