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"Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released

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The last time a leaked phone call out of Ukraine was released about a month ago ostensibly by the Russian NSA equivalent, one between US assistant sec state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, it was revealed that the real puppet masters behind the Maidan movement, and the true instigators of the Ukraine "revolution" were none other than the "developed" world superpowers, lead by the US. Also revealed were tensions between the US and EU strategies on how to overthrow the current government, culminating with the infamous "Fuck the EU." Needless to say the US, which implicitly confirmed the recording, was angry at Russia and accused it of using dirty tricks.

That's ironic, because when it comes to "dirty tricks" what is about to be presented, blows the top off anything Russia may or has done to date.

Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!


Here is the key exchange, just after 8 minutes into the conversation :

Paet: "All the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides. ... Some photos that showed it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it is really disturbing that now the new coalition they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition."

Ashton: "I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh."

Paet: "It already discreditates (sic) this new coalition."

So first US orchestrates the Kiev overthrow, and now the new "leaders" of Ukraine are allegedly found to have fired against their own people - the same provocation they subsequently used to run Yanukovich out of the country and install a pro-Western puppet government. Of course, said pro-Western coalition has not been discreditated (sic) because Ms. Ashton has sternly refused to investigate, knowing quite well how horribly this would reflect on the new Ukraine "leadership" -  a government which shot its own people to fabricate the pretext under which it rose to power.

Is it any wonder then that Russia has responded the way it has?

As for at least one of the affected parties, Estonia, it has just confirmed the authenticity of the recording, and the ministry of foreign affairs has organized a press conference to answer media questions today at 5 pm. From the Valisministeerium:

No. 84-E Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton uploaded to the Internet today, a phone call is authentic.

 

Paet and Ashton conversation took place on 26 February, following Estonia's Foreign Minister's visit to Ukraine, and immediately after the end of the street violence.

 

Foreign Minister Paet communicate what he had said about the meetings held in Kiev last day and expressed concern about the situation.

 

"It is extremely regrettable that such an interception is occurring at all""said Paet., Including its call for today's photos are not random," he added.

Yes, it is truly regrettable that the people know the truth.

Full leaked recording below:

 

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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:48 | 4514833 earleflorida
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"Spring fails in Ukrainian plundrland"     

http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-050314.html

emphasis on William Engdahl     @   http://www.globalresearch.ca/

thankyou Tyler

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:53 | 4511473 Thought Processor
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Shame on Russia for outing the dispicable truth.

 

Shame on them.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:02 | 4511547 Mad Mohel
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There once a quote about some Evil Empire bullshit, how did that go again?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:26 | 4515710 matrix2012
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You mean this one:

 

“The Roman Empire was very, very much like us. They lost their moral core, their sense of values in terms of who they were. And after all of those things converged together, they just went right down the tubes very quickly." - Benjamin Carson

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:23 | 4511660 Renewable Life
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If all of this is true and the recordings real, all that can be said at this point is......Putin owns these bitchez!! He jacked them up in Syria with the truth, now he has the whole country under phone tap in the Ukraine, sloppy boys, just sloppy!! Somebody is going to get fucking fired at a very high level in the company, if this shit keeps up!!

And you know shit is getting crazy, when all Queen Hillary can do, is pull the Hilter card out!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:42 | 4511780 Thought Processor
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Yeah..   if that isn't 'Pot calling the Kettle Black' I don't know what is.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:30 | 4512965 Son of Captain Nemo
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And you know shit is getting crazy, when all Queen Hillary can do, is pull the Hilter card out!!!

I'll say it again and keep repeating that's what we've allowed these cocksuckers to do in our names.

Had we frog marched the likes of The "Dick" Cheney, Georgie, Cuntoslezza, Dante Rumsfeld to Leavenworth there wouldn't have been a Barry Soetoro and to add insult to injury the American people didn't even care to know where he came from and who he worked for before he took "the oath"

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:11 | 4512868 TheReplacement
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But what is that truth?  A couple westerners were caught talking about snipers.  There is no evidence regarding the snipers, just allegations.  If the Russians had proof they would release it.  They haven't so they don't is my conclusion.

On the other hand, the Russians certainly embarrassed the west again with releasing such insider talk. 

Edit:  Only six reds for asking for real evidence?  C'mon you can do better than that.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4511476 johny2
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smell the coffe and wake up please! Same tricks repeated time and time over.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:57 | 4511496 aminorex
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And usually by the Russians.  Black suited assassins taking over the airports, foreign infiltrators raising flags posing as Ukranians, false flag attacks on synagogues.  They are good at what they do.  Now only if they could be convinced to do things which are less evil.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:45 | 4511801 SoilMyselfRotten
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Ding Ding Ding, we have found one of those paid govt trolls

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:55 | 4511864 pods
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Not until you hear "rape room," "Caliphate" or "incubators."

pods

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:22 | 4512039 Lost Word
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Both sides do this.

Both sides may have had reason to do this.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:11 | 4512878 TheReplacement
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Stop thinking.  You will upset the blind partisans here.  They just want their narrative and that is all.  I swear ZH has been taken over by the FSB some days. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:20 | 4514976 Anusocracy
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Stupid shit, you're the one that can't break free from the gang mentality.

Nothing like a useless idiot that is blind to being blind.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:03 | 4515150 Johnny Cocknballs
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Now only if they could be convinced to do things which are less evil.

And how are you helping, friendo?

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4511479 JJSF
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Even ZH is misrepresenting this russian propaganda bs?

Just listen to the recording. The guy just says that there is a woman named olga that thinks snipers were firing at both sides. ZH is usually better than this...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:58 | 4511518 Flakmeister
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Tyler is pandering to his base who love this kind of shit....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:02 | 4511551 Bonapartist
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 Said Flak with his pants around his ankles waiting for a peak oil article on ZH

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:06 | 4511570 Spastica Rex
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Your mom has her pants around her ankles.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:10 | 4511595 Bonapartist
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wow- good one

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:25 | 4511678 Spastica Rex
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I'm sorry, I shouldn't have been so juvenile, and so dismissive of all that you've contributed here during your time on ZH.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:37 | 4511739 Bonapartist
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Like the old saying goes- if you haven't been kicked off ZH at least once maybe you're doing something wrong

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:15 | 4512003 Flakmeister
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You could just go away and we could pretend that you were kicked off...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:13 | 4513170 dogbreath
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maybe you could follow your own advice if you weren't paid to be here and enlighten us alll

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:44 | 4513345 Flakmeister
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You missed it below...

I was just outed as a MOSSAD-CIA double operative, my orders from 4 years ago were to become a deep mole here at ZH in anticipation of the long planned Ukraine uprising being realized...

I could tell you more but then I would then have to ring up my buddies in the NSA to find out where you are so as to terminate your posting priveleges using extreme prejudice if necessary...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:29 | 4513583 Spastica Rex
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I'm finding this place really tiresome. The stupid is growing every day.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:47 | 4515083 Spumoni
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Don't worry - the entertainment is only just beginning. The intermission is right after someone says that Jews eat their young, quoting Hitler himself. Enjoy life. Fuck with a stupid, lazy, ignorant, asinine right-wing asshole a few times a week, Its better therapy than driving in rush-hour.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:59 | 4515133 Johnny Cocknballs
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So how about distributing some antidote, rather than sandy-vaginaed cuntery?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:18 | 4511616 Bendromeda Strain
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. Edited to not pick (on) the low hanging fruit...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:23 | 4511670 Max Hunter
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I guess it's not worth relating this information because it's not iron clad, like the info coming from MSM on the subject. We have 2 officials seriously discussing the possibility of the snipers being hired guns.. I think that is news worthy.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:02 | 4511919 RaceToTheBottom
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I think the conversation about the DRs was far more interesting.  Something about getting them under control..... 

It appeared like she was saying that they have to hold off saying information like that (same bullets, shooting results, etc) for the greater good of building a future government....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:58 | 4515126 Johnny Cocknballs
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that's a half truth, at best.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:06 | 4511572 AssFire
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Sadly, I was thinking about Trav7777 when you mentioned Peak Oil

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:10 | 4511974 Tsunami Wave
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I'd like to see him make a comeback (for the 3rd time it'll be?), along with Francis_Sawyer.  Francis was misunderstood.. though he did say 'joo' a little too much.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:20 | 4512026 Flakmeister
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Trav told me  that this place had lost all credibility and had gone to the dogs. He claimed he left though he may well have been spinning things about being kicked out.... 

We had a fair number of e-mail exchanges...

And he still posts elsewhere...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:44 | 4512137 Tsunami Wave
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He was right about certain things, annoyed me about Silver & Gold (though he is right that paper prices subsequently dropped... for now), and like Francis was with the juice, so was Trav with the minorities.  Still though, free speech should be as free as can be. I'll miss his 'JFC, you asshat", "lemme guess...you're an idiot", or "silverbugz getting blowtorched" posts to certain people he gave here.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:49 | 4512170 Flakmeister
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With free speech also comes accountability....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:58 | 4512533 Anusocracy
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Free speech works best with an ample dose of transparency.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:57 | 4515122 Johnny Cocknballs
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and adherence to empirically verifiable facts.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:41 | 4512439 Element
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Trav was booted and came back sevaral times, and you know it, spinner.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:54 | 4512502 Flakmeister
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Still waiting for you to explain the mathematical impossibility of your claim below...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:07 | 4511579 Element
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Cause it couldn't possibly be true, right?

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:13 | 4511611 Bendromeda Strain
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Tyler is pandering to his base who love this kind of shit....

 

You mad, bro?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:27 | 4511685 Flakmeister
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Mad as a fox....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:03 | 4511931 Calmyourself
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http://m4gw.com/99-of-scientists-dont-believe-in-global-warming/

www.petitionproject.org

31,487 scientists say no MMGW

But hey your still getting that .gov sweetness in your bank acct every two weeks..

MWGW.com

Minnesotans for global warming

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:23 | 4512042 Flakmeister
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Still trotting the bullshit Oregon Petition from, what was it, 2009?

You would think that with all those "scientists" that someone would be able to due some actual research to back the claim... 

We are still waiting...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:49 | 4512172 Calmyourself
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Still trotting out MMGW after all the lies.. So sad you need .gov to rule your little world...

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

A complete list of things blamed on MMGW, read it and throw that noose over the rafters flak.. ha

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:12 | 4512273 superflex
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You mean like the Lake Vostok ice cores which show historic CO2 levels and temperatures variations are a results of the Milankovitch Cycles (Earth's precession, eccentricity of orbit and axial tilt)?

Nah, cant trust 400,000 years of history.  150 years of data is enough for you.

Full retard baby.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:15 | 4512292 Flakmeister
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Yeah, please do bring up the Vostok Ice cores...

So what natural cycle is this part of?

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html

What is your explanation?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:38 | 4512999 superflex
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Too bad NOAA didn't look at the last 175 million years of CO2 data.

The decerase from 3,000 ppm then to today's 390 ppm doesn't fit their funding model.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:48 | 4513050 Flakmeister
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Actually they did, why don't you look up PETM for example...

Let me know if you need help finding it...

So what happened to the all C02 and the global temperatures since then? Do you have an explanation?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:30 | 4512070 Wen_Dat
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MMGW is real. Geoengineering bitchez

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:59 | 4511527 aminorex
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"Journalists" have a "two sides to every story" mind set.  It makes them superlative tools because for every truth there is a useful falsehood to be propagated for the glory of mother Russia or the Promised Land or whatever damned poison you're selling.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:57 | 4511885 DogOfSinope
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NSA troll?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:00 | 4511535 halfawake
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+1000 I opined in another post that ZH seems to be run and frequented by the KGB lately. Certainly all anti-US and pro-Russia. Both sides suck, there is equal dirt on both. Not a single bad article on Putin's tactics, though. wtf?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:19 | 4511597 Rainman
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bbbut ... Putin's tactics have been entirely honorable ..... and look here ! ..... he's been nominated for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

http://nypost.com/2014/03/05/putin-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize/

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:20 | 4511652 Flakmeister
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Maybe he can sit with the Obama at the awards dinner...

I am sure they have a lot to catch up on....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:14 | 4512284 superflex
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Feel free to leave and never return.

You wont be missed.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:47 | 4512468 Volkodav
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What tactics do you refer to? specify please..

Russia didn't ask for this evi, and tried to avoid it. If they go to counter it...that gets your titte in the wringer?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:05 | 4511569 dimitar
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and your dear[Catherine Ashton ]: she[olga] is not a politician, she does not understand the implication [of the findings].

it was nice till media blocade works :)

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:41 | 4512121 beaglebog
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Bogomolets

 

This is the lady in question, I believe. Physician to the president of Ukraine, I think.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:12 | 4511609 Debugas
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Olga is probably medical-expertize specialist

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:39 | 4511757 Georgiabelle
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As always, it will be interesting to determine "cui bono"? 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:27 | 4512056 Lost Word
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Possibly either or both sides.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:13 | 4512281 Herd Redirectio...
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Or neither!  What, Mossad and CIA are going to miss out on a great show and afterparty?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4511776 gezza65
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Propaganda normally involves one entity producing media that reflects or supports its particular view of a matter.

That being the case how the hell is this Russian propaganda? Seriously are you THAT pathetic. Oh wait the FSB conspired Paet and Ashton to talk about this despicable act.

You RETARDS at Langley are getting your arse served on a platter by the other side and now your crying in your soup.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:14 | 4512890 TheReplacement
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Sssh, the anti-west partisans will get upset with you for blowing their dreams.  They like how GeorgeWashington references his own articles (which I try to read every one of because they do have value).  Nowadays on ZH if two people talk about suspecting a conspiracy it immediately becomes conspiracy fact, as long as it is bad for the west.  It really discredits the entire site.  I think people have either drunk the koolaid or accounts have been taken over by counterintel agents.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4511480 pods
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This is the old fashioned "wag the dog" tactic.

As False Flags go, this one worked.

pods

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:06 | 4511571 BandGap
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There is so much confusion from both sides. And emotion.

I would like to see the bullistics from the autopsies. Would like to see the documents they refer to. Need more evidence to back up any circumstancial conclusions.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:38 | 4512417 Freddie
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These See Eye El Cah Duh ops since WW2 are all alike.   Phony uprising, people get shot by snipers, shills in the crowd drive the crowd into a rage, govt overthrown. Look who is in the new illegal govt.    All fake and managed like our elections.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:33 | 4511715 TeamDepends
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Still waiting for Crimea Karl.  Come in, Karl.....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:33 | 4511720 topshelfstuff
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This will be Banned from appearing, or mentioning on MSM

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:16 | 4512895 TheReplacement
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Would you mind posting a single link that shows evidence of these so called snipers?  So far, all we've seen is accusations and rumors.  The only pics/vids out there should police firing rifles and protesters with pistols and air rifles.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4511482 aminorex
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So much Russian propaganda

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:58 | 4511517 Jreb
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The entire world is run by psychopaths.

Don't believe amything you read from either side. They are all dispicable assholes.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:29 | 4511693 Flakmeister
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:00 | 4511904 Spastica Rex
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JUST DON'T DO IT.

The anti-Nike philosophy.

If philospohy can really be described by a very small sentence.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:17 | 4512904 TheReplacement
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I once had a shirt that said "Just do me".  It was great but wouldn't work in present company, I hope.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4511772 Overfed
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Yeah. American/Euro propaganda is so much more palatable.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:55 | 4511483 johnQpublic
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please hold for Satan

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:55 | 4511487 Save_America1st
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and can you say, "Reighstag", too?  How about, Bay of Pigs?  9/11?  it's the tried and true playbook of false flags that these douche bags use over and over and over again...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:04 | 4511564 chunga
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At the risk of overdoing it, I'm going to link Dmitry Orlov's commentary on the situation (yet again).

It's definateley worth the ten minutes to read in IMHO.

Reichstag Fire in Kiev

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html#more

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:09 | 4511588 Thought Processor
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Thanks you for the link Chunga.

 

Peace.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:35 | 4511732 Uncle Remus
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Yes, thanks for that link. I keep forgetting about Orlov. It's Boris' fault.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4511769 ebworthen
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Yes, thanks, good stuff.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:05 | 4511939 chunga
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His book "Reinventing Collapse" was excellent.

He compares the demise of the USSR to the pending demise of the USSA from a very unique perspective.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:07 | 4511578 BandGap
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Gulf of Tonkin

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:40 | 4511763 Skin666
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USS Maine in Havana Harbour

 

The Lusitania

 

The fleet at Pearl Harbour

 

Vietnamese torpedo boats and the Gulf of Tonkin...

 

What is it with the US and ships?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:00 | 4511906 usednabused
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Don't forget the USS Liberty. Another atrocity committed by the Zionists and forgiven by their stooges

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:36 | 4512104 SMG
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I think by now we all know it's not Jewish people or Zionism (which by definition is support for Israel).   I think a better term would be Hadesism, as in H E double hockeysticks, and the fallen angel himself, Lucifer.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:19 | 4512318 Herd Redirectio...
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Zionism is not about Israel, it is about hegemony.  Domination.  Absolute power.  Someone who is a supporter of Israel is not necessarily a Zionist. 

For sure, the term is subject to being misinterpreted, and there are those who will encourage that.  But in my book, if someone is an admitted Zionist, and accused Luciferian, I will call them a Zionist.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:44 | 4512760 SMG
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Using Zionist confuses the issue, I wouldn't use it.  Luciferian is better.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:19 | 4513807 Johnny Cocknballs
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No such thing as Luciferian, as there's no such thing as Lucifer, but there is a Zion, and it is meant to be the capital of all the nations of the world, which will serve post-Moshiach Israel for a long, long reich.

http://holywar.org/jewishtr/02hos.htm

Every religion has their fundamentalist nuts.  It's just that no one is willing to talk about the Judaic brand of racist/megalomanaiacal end times bullshit.

 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:19 | 4514362 Lost Word
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Luciferian is someone who believes in Lucifer,

or acts as if Lucifer is their god,

whether or not Lucifer actually exists in the manner that they believe.

There is a lot of Lucifer worship in the Occult organizations.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:57 | 4514873 Johnny Cocknballs
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No, there is pretty much no one who worships "Lucifer" as you describe.  Even most Satanists don't worship a literal, extant Satan, but a gnosis...  it's more like chaos magick.

Mostly it is used as a distracting technique.  Intelligent people don't believe in the occult that, say, fundamentalist Christians imagine. 

While you're off chasing ghosts and blaming Lucifer, you're ignoring the greed of banking dynasties, and Jewish/Zionist eschatology.

Consider, Sir, that what you've been taught was meant not to inform, but to disinform you.  In other words, look for evidence that it is not "Luciferians" but bankers and zionists and war profiteers.

Seek and ye shall find, pilgrim.

There are older, deeper, and more powerful "magic" forms out there than are dreamed of in the Abrahamic faiths.  I'm not inclined to discuss that sort of thing, but I'll offer you this - I will suggest to you that John Hagee is working for, metaphorically, "the devil."  Not only that, but I'll posit that if you, you personally, consider that he could be, and look for his recent youtube efforts on the so-called blood moon, you will have this sense too...

 

Beware the warmongers and the moneychangers, no matter their faith or country.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:40 | 4512428 Freddie
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What does it have in common with Kiev coup?  2 McCains.  Pappy and sonny boy Johnny.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:55 | 4511866 Save_America1st
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yes...that's what I meant, thanks! lol  I get going too fast and miss things.   So much crime to try and remember!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:19 | 4512910 TheReplacement
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Post a pic, a video, an eyewitness account, or a confession please.  I have seen no evidence that did not show police shooting at protesters (speaking of rifles since you don't snipe with a pistol).

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:55 | 4511488 all-priced-in
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Makes John Kerry's remarks yesterday seem down right stupid.  

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:11 | 4511600 SmallerGovNow2
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+1 but he didn't need any help with that...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:47 | 4512472 Freddie
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Kerry is evil like the rest of them.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:18 | 4511644 Apeman
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They already sounded downright stupid.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:22 | 4511657 Translational Lift
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All his remarks are downright stupid.........

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:20 | 4512913 TheReplacement
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Perhaps they seemed downright stupid at the time too.  Aw, John, why the long face?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:40 | 4513328 Clycntct
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Horse shit out of the horse face.

That should have been your clue he's halfassed.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:56 | 4511490 Tall Tom
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False Flag Operation from the start. Shoot your supporters and claim that the opposition did it as the pretext. Where have I read this storyline before???

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:00 | 4511532 daedon
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In Iraq, it really help to motive people when you kill their buddies.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:31 | 4511695 CitizenPete
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It would only be better if the reporter was on screen saying "we have reports that snipers have killed protestors", while they are in frame behind the reporter in good health. Then they are shot dead a few minutes later after the report. http://youtu.be/s0qdLoobkUI

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:05 | 4511936 DogOfSinope
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in hronological order:

Croatia

Bosnia

Kosovo

Iraq

Georgia

Tunisia

Lybia

Egypt

Syria

 

coming next: Venezuela

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:37 | 4512410 Volkodav
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Gladio

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:56 | 4511491 miker
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I thought along it could have been CIA driven snipers to move the confrontation to a blow off point.  That is why the original Ukranian President blew town.  He knew he'd been screwed now that protestors were dead in the street with bullets in their heads. 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:21 | 4512036 walküre
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Or they were Russian black ops. Putin using the Games as backdrop and distraction. In fact I would be very surprised if Putin didn't have any collaborateurs within the new coalition government and spies feeding him first hand information. This is kindergarden KGB stuff.

Where's Yanu? He is still rumored to be dead?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:35 | 4512095 DogOfSinope
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Yeah. Maybe rabid unicorns were behind this? 

Are you NSA troll, Neo-Nazi or just stupid?

Did you read the article and listened the recording?

BTW, Wagner was pussy!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:51 | 4513939 Poor Grogman
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I didn't know unicorns could contact rabies.

There you go.

I had to put a light hearted comment in.

The gist of this article was making me feel like taking a good vomit.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:22 | 4512921 TheReplacement
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It would be too easy for Russia to move snipers into Kiev.  It would make much more sense for CIA shooters to infiltrate, do the shooting, and exfil without being seen, pictured, or videoed. 

Logic sucks doesn't it?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:56 | 4511492 Fix It Again Timmy
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Pop, goes the SleazeL...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:57 | 4511510 El Hosel
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Welcome to Dirtyfuckerville... Have a nice day.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:56 | 4511495 JJSF
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Notice the above comments were posted 3 minutes after ZH posted this ..and it's a 10 min video. you guys should listen to the thing before just parroting. This is a sensational misrepresentation of this conversation.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:05 | 4511537 Bonapartist
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You posted your first comment 5 minutes after ZH put it up so STFU

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:02 | 4511549 Flakmeister
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Really? Why would anyone want to do that?

20 years of gross mismanagement of the Ukraine by Putin's puppets blows up in his face and now he has nothing better than this crap to explain it?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:07 | 4511580 BigJim
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Just how many people are 'Flakmeister', 'Flakmeister'?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:23 | 4511661 CitizenPete
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It's a whole department over at the Pentagon of course. Could one individual be so totally misguided and full of propaganda?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:29 | 4512367 Flakmeister
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It's a vast web of Neo-cons, Zionists and Marxist leaning scientists...

They all live in my living room on the floor and we take turns posting....

On thursdays we order pizza and watch Big Bang Theory reruns....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:36 | 4512713 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's a good thing you're more than one person, Flak, or your legs would be getting pretty tired from all the backpedaling today.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:39 | 4512737 Flakmeister
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Beg pardon?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:24 | 4512928 TheReplacement
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I don't always agree with you (rarely actually) but when I do it is on this.  This article and video prove only that two people on the phone discussed what one of them had heard from some doctor. 

I heard someone say Tyler hates old people and animals.  Is that evidence enough to string him up?  Yeah, hypocracy, it's what's for dinner.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:04 | 4511560 BigJim
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I notice you posted less than 10 minutes after the page was first posted, too.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:09 | 4511587 Flakmeister
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It was posted in an earlier thread quite a while ago...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:12 | 4511603 Bonapartist
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Some people don't sit there 24/7 on ZH.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:58 | 4511893 pods
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What if we do?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:16 | 4511632 jovius
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Some people had already seen it you retard, it's not like ZH broke the fucking story.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:56 | 4511500 freewolf7
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It's all orchestrated.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:57 | 4511501 Jreb
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A coup grounded in corruption and lies headed up by our own illustrious leaders. Shocker.

Next scandle please...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 10:57 | 4511504 Flakmeister
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Hilarious....

RT news?

An Estonian apparatchik?

Wow!  You guys really love to lap up this shit....

Putin's man at the MiniTrue is laughing into his sleeve...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:04 | 4511565 BigJim
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Isn't there some rogue CO2 you could be off sequestering?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:11 | 4511599 Flakmeister
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Aren't you late for your lesson in Economic History? 

You got an F on your last paper where you insisted that the price of gold relative to other commodities could be fixed by fiat (i.e. gunpoint)....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:12 | 4511608 Element
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His cape and exterior undies are at the cleaners today, so it's Flak-the-weiner all day. Fonestar is more fun.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:18 | 4511646 Flakmeister
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Yeah, it's a lot tougher to argue with someone using a fact based approach...

And Fonestar is clearly a lovable clown that doesn't mind being used as a punching bag...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:38 | 4511750 Overfed
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Where the fuck are your facts?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:40 | 4511764 Element
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He was talking about me, he was admitting he has a cape, and wears undies on the outside, and is a wiener.

I can respect that.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:43 | 4511793 Overfed
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LOL!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:36 | 4515469 adeptish
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Goodbye flak...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:51 | 4511841 Flakmeister
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If you can't see a propaganda piece for what it is, I am sorry...

People here get real upset when I use facts to explain AGW, oil/energy, science and when I debunk bullshit like this from yesterday...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 11:39 | 4511755 Element
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pseudo-facts in your case flak

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:02 | 4511915 Flakmeister
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Says the guy that has insisted that C02 is not a greenhouse gas...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:24 | 4511980 Element
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WTF? I have NEVER said that, ANYWHERE, EVER.

Not once in my life have I ever said that.

So you are a liar, and a rather desperate one apparently, but also a dishonorable one and that will not be forgotten fella.

 

Your true colors have come out flak.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:53 | 4512064 Flakmeister
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Ok, then so you now agree that C02 is a GHG...

Good, we are making progress....

And given the well known Long wave IR absorbtion properties of C02 we can expect a net trapping of heat by the atmosphere and subsequent transfer to the ocean?

So then you also agree that C02 in the atmosphere has increased from ~280 ppmv to about 400 ppmv due to human activities?

Yes or No?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:06 | 4512239 Element
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You don't deserve attention, sort it out yourself.

17.5 years of flatline global temp while CO2 rose and China happened. 

Dem's dah facts - JACKASS

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/04/no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-m...

and justthefacts

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/04/2013-was-not-a-good-year-for-catas...

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