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"Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released

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The last time a leaked phone call out of Ukraine was released about a month ago ostensibly by the Russian NSA equivalent, one between US assistant sec state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, it was revealed that the real puppet masters behind the Maidan movement, and the true instigators of the Ukraine "revolution" were none other than the "developed" world superpowers, lead by the US. Also revealed were tensions between the US and EU strategies on how to overthrow the current government, culminating with the infamous "Fuck the EU." Needless to say the US, which implicitly confirmed the recording, was angry at Russia and accused it of using dirty tricks.

That's ironic, because when it comes to "dirty tricks" what is about to be presented, blows the top off anything Russia may or has done to date.

Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!


Here is the key exchange, just after 8 minutes into the conversation :

Paet: "All the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides. ... Some photos that showed it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it is really disturbing that now the new coalition they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition."

Ashton: "I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh."

Paet: "It already discreditates (sic) this new coalition."

So first US orchestrates the Kiev overthrow, and now the new "leaders" of Ukraine are allegedly found to have fired against their own people - the same provocation they subsequently used to run Yanukovich out of the country and install a pro-Western puppet government. Of course, said pro-Western coalition has not been discreditated (sic) because Ms. Ashton has sternly refused to investigate, knowing quite well how horribly this would reflect on the new Ukraine "leadership" -  a government which shot its own people to fabricate the pretext under which it rose to power.

Is it any wonder then that Russia has responded the way it has?

As for at least one of the affected parties, Estonia, it has just confirmed the authenticity of the recording, and the ministry of foreign affairs has organized a press conference to answer media questions today at 5 pm. From the Valisministeerium:

No. 84-E Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton uploaded to the Internet today, a phone call is authentic.

 

Paet and Ashton conversation took place on 26 February, following Estonia's Foreign Minister's visit to Ukraine, and immediately after the end of the street violence.

 

Foreign Minister Paet communicate what he had said about the meetings held in Kiev last day and expressed concern about the situation.

 

"It is extremely regrettable that such an interception is occurring at all""said Paet., Including its call for today's photos are not random," he added.

Yes, it is truly regrettable that the people know the truth.

Full leaked recording below:

 

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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:36 | 4512721 Chuck Knoblauch
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Torah Jews don't support Israel. Torah Jews know better.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:33 | 4512380 falconflight
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Many of you posters would obviously be quite at home at the David Duke web site.  Amazing blood curdling Nazi propaganda, almost chapter and verse, even down to the same sentences spewed by Gobbels Germany and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, as well as the various religious and media outlets of the Arab amd Muslim world today. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:42 | 4512443 RevRex
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And you should just keep sucking that Socialist Semite Democrat Media cock, and be posting in a homosexual chatroom.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:49 | 4512480 falconflight
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I'm a Constitutionalist, and it's a lonely existence.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:51 | 4512493 Flakmeister
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So do you think that Hitler didn't go far enough?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:09 | 4512583 Element
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Gee flak, why for weeks do you keep bringing up Hitler and Holocaust, and the Jews, and beating people over the head with ADL propaganda all the time?

Whats going on there? What's all that about, eh?

Do they have you under contract to do that? Or is that what you are bucking for with this sudden unhealthy interest? It just stands out so much cause you have always seems like a lit of a Nazi most of the time, and your avatar, do they know its an SS unit symbol that you have been toting around the net for years? And do you have to wear a "Go-Joos!" cap? And hold up a heavily caffeinated energy-drink with "Go Joos!" on it? Is it that the sort of deal you're bucking for with the ADL?

Let's see what antics you get up to from here because I now I'm not the only one who's noticed what you are up to, and that you've been acting like a total dick lately, well, more than normal anyway.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:14 | 4512605 Flakmeister
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I have been calling out  hate filled anti-semites and bigots here for years....

There has been a clear uptick of late, in case you haven't noticed...

Now how about that warming trend I pointed out?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:09 | 4512862 trader1
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:35 | 4512685 flysofree
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Internet was discovered first not by the porno industry, but the Neo-Nazi movement. Those people started to copy and paste all 1930's Der Sturmer disgusting propaganda all over the internet. They actually pioneered the use of mass robo-posting from inside their computer rooms. The nazis destroyed almost all the usenet groups and then all the popular forums. It's all the same drivel over and over again. You couldn't keep the vermin out, and you can't keep it out of this forum. 

Besides all the Khazar fiction, Protocol of Zion, Jews murdering 20 millions Ukrainians that then was used as justification for Nazi murder of Jews, AIPAC, all Bolsheviks were Jews and on and on.  The only thing that I haven't seen here yet is the U.S.S Liberty tale.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:57 | 4513439 Chuck Knoblauch
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How many times is Auschwitz going to revise their numbers downward?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:05 | 4513473 Flakmeister
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Hold that thought....

But do tell us how many people do you think we were killed in the Holocaust...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:22 | 4513809 Chuck Knoblauch
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EXACTLY 6,000,000. No more, no less. That's my final answer you kabbalist.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:58 | 4515521 Flakmeister
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It was a probably a bit less, at least 5 million though but it is hard to say exactly how many...

But it's concept behind the thing that really matters....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:36 | 4513620 Johnny Cocknballs
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Please, please, please summon an argument that proposes to argue that there is no Israel Lobby and if there is, it doesn't have much power, and if you believe that it exists, you aren't merely mistaken, but categorically a "neo-Nazi."

Please try to argue this...

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2014/03/05/aipac-friends-explain/

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2014/03/05/ever-shifting-borders-middle-east/

Id love to see you even try to muster a coherent polemic to support the above.

Your other straw men don't really interest me. Let's not play the "contrary evidence is defined out of evidence" game, shall we, we're both professionals, wot?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:29 | 4514726 Johnny Cocknballs
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No?

awww....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:04 | 4512558 Lost Word
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Talmud and the Kabbalistic Zohar are not the same thing, although

there are some commonalities, both or separately being followed by various groups of Jews.

Although the Zohar claims to be ancient,

Talmud preceded the Zohar by many centuries.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:11 | 4512592 Chuck Knoblauch
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The Torah is the word of God. Everything else is interpretation by magicians and mystics.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:21 | 4512638 Flakmeister
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As so is the Bible allegedly....

Care to elaborate the scriptures positions on slavery? 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:34 | 4512696 Chuck Knoblauch
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All I can say about biblical slavery in the Roman Empire is that the slaves weren't all negros. Sorry, but true. If you're looking for a modern day slave, look in the mirror.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:51 | 4513066 Flakmeister
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\facepalm

By some chance, were you homeschooled?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:54 | 4513422 Chuck Knoblauch
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You prefer Common Core standards?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:00 | 4515525 Flakmeister
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Can't say, my kids are long beyond that...

What is in them that gets you upset?

Is it Darwin? Algebra? Basic Logic?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:01 | 4512822 TPTB_r_TBTF
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:42 | 4513032 Johnny Cocknballs
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The Torah is the word of God

Not as I read it.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:28 | 4512063 BullyBearish
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2 Things:

 

#1...Stay the F*&k out of the square when the $hit hits the fan

#2...Watch this, you won't believe how relevant it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:28 | 4512363 IridiumRebel
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we are almost at the end of the road...

people are mad as hell

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:31 | 4512074 marcusfenix
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if the last leak was verified, (which it was) and pointed to the US state dept a one of the major movers behind this drama (which surprised nobody) then I'm a little surprised that some posters here are so quick to dismiss this as bullshit propaganda.

this is exactly what Washington does, interferes, meddles, manipulates, plots, schemes and employes every dirty, underhanded snake in the grass tactic ever conceived. all the while people die and Washington glosses it over with lies and played out memes, or in this case, simply re-directs your attention to the other guy involved. then on cue, the MSM propaganda machine is filled with headlines screaming about how the Russians are coming, Putin is an out of control madman who has lost touch with reality and is quite possibly the next Adolf Hitler. 

and once again the American public (and apparently some posters here) are eating it up and being played for the suckers P.T Barnum told us were being born every minute.

just a question, over the past 20 years who has been responsible for more innocent deaths on a global scale Washington or Moscow? which one invaded at least two countries under entirely false pretenses thereby causing the deaths of tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? which one considers 15 year old children to be legitimate targets for drone strikes, or wipes out entire families with hailfire missiles while they are at a barbeque or in a funeral procession just to get one or two "high priority" targets? 

which one?

which one tries to dictate to other countries what they can or can not do with their own nuclear program then threatens that country with the very same weapons that they are forbidden to develop?

which one pays the salaries of and provided training and materiel support to terrorists,thugs and murders to draw out a war that is causing an entire country to suffer for going on 3 years now? a war that without the continued interference of Washington and it's allies in the gulf states would have been over by now. why? because majority of the native population obviously does not support the so called rebels and freedom fighters. fact of the matter is the large majority of war crimes and atrocities have been the result of the actions of those which Washington continues to support. 

which one runs arms to Mexican drug cartels? doesn't even blink when it becomes public knowledge that it's own banks are laundering drug money on a massive scale? which one lies endlessly about something as personally important as health care? which one buys billions of rounds of ammo for internal use, which one puts APC's and IFV's in the hands of civilian law enforcement? which one has a police force that is growing increasingly more militarized, federalized and violent, who stands and applauds that police force for murdering an unarmed mother with her child in the back seat of the car they shot up for no reason?   

the bottom line is our government in Washington DC is not the good guys anymore, they are now clearly and unmistakeably the villains...

I guess some people are halving a hard time accepting that.                       

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:56 | 4512209 usednabused
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Bingo, and I might add, they are not just villians, wayyyyy past that point. They are PURE evil and in fact the terrorists themselves. Let those with eyes see.....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:32 | 4512078 RazvanM
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- So, basically there were some sharpshooters killing Ukrainian protestors.

- Aparently there was a shooting order sent to the police troops to fire live bullets on civilians. This can be traced up to the highest level in the state hierarchy. The order was carried on by the police (okay, people in police uniforms, in the middle of police ranks).

- Now we have a recorded phone conversation that the Russians claim is between two named people. How can we check that the phone conversation is real and is in context? Then, if there is proof about these two conditions, the information must be verified against reality. BUT THIS DOES NOT ENTITLE RUSSIA TO INVADE IN ANY WAY another country! It was a crime against Ukrainians and this is not fixed by invading Ukraine.

stay thirsty...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:50 | 4512178 DeliciousSteak
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The Estonians already confirmed that the recording is real.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:13 | 4512600 Lost Word
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A real recording of real lies?

True Lies?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:32 | 4513605 The Wedge
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"BUT THIS DOES NOT ENTITLE RUSSIA TO INVADE IN ANY WAY another country"!

When the elected leader of Ukraine gives permission it does. You, Lurch and Barry are skipping over some stubborn facts. Unless international law now recognizes a coup as a lawful government. Western media is trying to mislead you. But the sad part is that the very basic, undisputed facts, like what I just pointed out is lost on most.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:34 | 4512089 Fix It Again Timmy
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"If you follow the Main Stream Media, they are totally fucking insane, screaming for war like a pack of mad dogs. I've never seen anything like this in all my years" - Yes, they are all insane, I totally agree!...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:40 | 4512120 falconflight
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Which outlets are "screaming" for war?  I dare say you're either full of shyt or just another Russian apologist.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:36 | 4512103 Remnant_Army
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Cough - cough...

 

Friday, March 18th, 2011 @ 00:00

"The other nations from the West will provoke a reaction from Russia and China. All will end in a World War."

 

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/earthquake-in-europe-world-war/

 

And some other on the subject:


http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/time-for-the-second-seal-to-open-a...

 

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/second-seal-world-war-3/

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:38 | 4512114 falconflight
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Gee wiz....I guess we have the answer for which so many here have a throbing erection.  I mean those devious Poles sure did attack that German border village killing all those innocent  villagers in 1939, and Germans sure needed to protect those Chec "ethinc Germans" in 1938.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:56 | 4512205 DeliciousSteak
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History is never black and white. There is always a seed of truth in every lie. It is pretty well established that Germans did face oppression and violence under Polish rule; as the Poles watched the rest of the former German or German speaking areas being added to the new Reich and were afraid that the landmass they were given from Germany by Versailles would be lost. The biggest blunder the Poles made, however, was not allowing Germany land access to Eastern Prussia, not even railway as the Germans suggested, thus isolating it from the German realm. Germany had valid reasons for invasion, if you look at it from their point of view.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:29 | 4512362 falconflight
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  • No history and events are often not black and white, but from the German point of view they had valid reasons to exterminate the source of all their troubles; Das Juden.
Thu, 03/06/2014 - 05:38 | 4515804 Runs-With_Toast
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Sick of the jew sob story, been done to death milked for every $ and the numbers are too high

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:43 | 4512128 the grateful un...
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this is like the Steps of Odessa scene in Battleship Potemkin (which never really happened) the film depicted the Czars army firing on civilians. after the massacre the sailors who have taken over the battleship turn their guns on the army. the violence in modern Ukraine functions the same way as the original film (which was a cinematic primer on Marxism for the illiterate masses) a made for television or media event to influence an ideological purpose. (in this case to propagandize the spread of western economic values to the east. it's a violent movie with real blood.

the modern day mutineers are TBTF capitalists seeing themselves as revolutionaries overthrowing a tyranny of communal and collective ideas, and subsequently tearing up the social contract in order to make a new world economic order. (this is the Chinese model secular, China is the Potemkin village for the global worker bee culture) it's not so much who pulled the trigger, one group of actors or another, its the intelligence of the gesture to promote the conflict in order to sell someones idea of a new world order. Kerry and Obama are just the messenger boys, the grocery clerks to paraphrase Kurtz in Apocalyse Now. the horror after all goes much deeper than anyone imagines. (people who don't believe in most conspiracy theories don't know 2 + 2 = 4)

this is the true heart of darkness. instigators and revolutionaries assume the role of their victims. it has everything the person with a clear view of the steps, despises, a Jewish state, where victims of oppression become oppressors, societies and cultures destroyed so little girls can go to school, little girls killed in drone attacks, so little girls can go to school. cantering forward with no view of the icebergs in our wake, the titantic government statist system plunges ahead. kneejerk comments about 19th century power, while the greatest 19th century power, capitalism is being reinvented as the revolutionary guard, spreading post modern propaganda to the ignorant masses. join the EU, brothers... (final scene in Potemkin)

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:25 | 4514712 emersonreturn
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grateful un, +100

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:50 | 4512177 Frostfan1
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So the smoking gun is an Estonian guy saying one group did it as compared to the other guy but not a lot of proof behind it.  Well, that's good enough for ZH I guess.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:13 | 4512280 Johnny Cocknballs
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Fair enough, more evidence is needed, but I kinda suspect you're the sort of fella who employs radically different standards of proof depending on the statement or idea at issue, right?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:16 | 4512340 Kelley
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Yes, and you probably disgree with Ashton, that it be investigated...because that might provide the proof you say is lacking.

Same bullets. Same handwriting. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:55 | 4512203 Josey Montana
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Why is it in stereo?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:58 | 4512219 css1971
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War always and everywhere is the people vs their leaders.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:11 | 4512267 Chuck Knoblauch
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Is that a quote from Les Miserables? I heard that some of the cast members from the movie were used in the Ukranian show.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:07 | 4512257 Pullmyfinger
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Just because one thing leads to another....

Russian Dollar Dump Could Crash Financial System-John Williams

http://www.jsmineset.com/2014/03/05/russian-dollar-dump-could-crash-fina...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:11 | 4512269 Johnny Cocknballs
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This may or may not ultimately prove true, I tend to believe it is, but the point really is it should surprise absolutely no one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZrD2I6IaAU

It will only ostensibly surprise those ignorant of past IMF riots and CIA overthrows, and the idiot anti-Russian troll community.

"Gosh"

"That's interesting."

Funny how people can dismiss RT as propaganda

http://rt.com/on-air/

[is there anyone here who doesn't know it has a pro-russian bias]

but not the NYT - that bastion of government minders and zionist gatekeeping.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:18 | 4512305 falconflight
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I regularly view RT Mr. SuckMeBalls, but certainly the Soviets promoted their propaganda within the US throughout the Cold War via the usual media outlets that to this day support the Leftists Statist criminals as opposed to the Right Wing Statist criminals leaving out any "fair and balanced" role to promote an understanding of the politicial process or empirical facts and truths, for which actually they still exist. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:43 | 4512447 Johnny Cocknballs
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um... what?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:19 | 4512911 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Use more novocaine. You hit a nerve.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:15 | 4512287 Recognizer
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I'm going to start signing off my phone calls that way.

"Nice Australia."

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:18 | 4512306 Itchy and Scratchy
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Yeah ... I kinda guess this is sorta big news ... but nothin' like Ellen's Selfie at the Oscars ... so totally epic eh! I'm soooo glad I didn't  totally miss it! I bet she wishes Hillary was in it!!!! I heard Ellen only drinks Russian Vodka when she twerks ....so totally kewl!!!! Were there any Oscar parties in Ukraine?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:19 | 4512316 Chuck Knoblauch
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Defense companies screaming for war makes sense to me. US needs to bolster GDP with more destructive spending. You have a problem with that, Commie? US defense companies will just sell excess inventories to Russia and Ukraine after all this nonsense blows over. HAHAHA!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:25 | 4512351 ak_khanna
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USA invades Iraq destroys the country on the pretext of tracking WMDs which turn out to be falsified evidence. That is acceptable.

USA goes into Afghanistan and destroys the country on the pretext of hunting Osama Bin Laden who was later found in Pakistan. That's fine.

Putin, who sends his troops to safeguard Russia's interest by protecting the gas pipelines which are a major source of revenue for his country is branded as a mad man by the western media. The USA, Europe, IMF and all other crony capitalism promoted politicians are falling over each other to impose sanctions on Russia. 

Talk about Double Standards on a Global Scale.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article40231.html

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:31 | 4512361 Chuck Knoblauch
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Hey Viktor F. Yanukovych, where are you going?

 

The beautiful luxury resort community in Barvikha, Russia. Yes, the Disney World for all diposed tyrants and dictators in Eastern Europe.

 

http://www.blv.ru/

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:34 | 4512388 Judge Crater
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The U.S. government is now a secret police state where murdering civilians for public relations purposes is standard operating procedures. To explain the deaths of the two guards on the Maersk Alabama last month, unnamed officials said the two died from heroin overdoses.  Things must be bad if the governmemnt now uses a plot element from the Liam Neeson movie "Unknown" to cover up deaths. (Remember at the end, when Frank Langella's character tells Neeson hisd death would be made to look like an OD)  These two dead guards were part of the team that was at the finish line the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, stationed on a rooftop where they had a clear view of the "security exercise" going on. 

An exercise similar in purpose to the NATO training exercise run on 9/11/01, to provide cover for a government planned attack. As in "Unknown," functionaries use murder to tie up loose ends like two SEALs who knew too much about the Boston Bombing.  The lifespan of those Maidan snipers will probably be measured in days now that this leaked phone conversation made it to YouTube.

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American security workers have been found dead after an apparent heroin overdose in the same cabin on the Maersk Alabama, the ship made famous by the Tom Hanks movie Captain Phillips in 2013.

Seychelles police identified them on Thursday as Jeffrey Reynolds and Mark Kennedy - both former Navy SEALs. The men, both 44, were found dead on Tuesday.

Officials say they found needles and heroin inside cabin where the two ex-special forces soldiers were bunking.

According to CNN a government official, who spoke on condition of not being identified, said the presence of drug traces and paraphernalia 'would suggest that their deaths were a result of drug overdose.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564145/Two-ex-Navy-SEALS-protecting-Captain-Philips-ship-die-mysterious-circumstances-no-sign-physical-trauma.html#ixzz2v6qvMm5O
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:05 | 4513130 mendolover
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Hey Judge - where did you get the info on the Boston marathon connection?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:35 | 4512397 Zymurguy
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What's most evil and fuking disgusting about this is that some animal (resembling a human) actually accepted the job of targeting and slaying humans.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:42 | 4512440 Invinciblehandaxe
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like the US army boyz never standing up against any BS the UFSA government throws at them?

like shooting Iraqi children??

fuck fascist states of america and the bolshevik brussels nazis

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:36 | 4512404 Catullus
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I'd say credibility is quickly eroding for the US State Dept, but they never had any to begin with.

Maybe the traitor John McCain can continue with the "We're all Ukrainians now!"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:40 | 4512432 RevRex
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Obama was installed by the Socialist Semite democrat Media and their bankster masters for one reason only......anyone who dares criticize him is automatically a racist, therefore Obama is free to do his master's bidding with no questions asked.

 

Bush was competent compared to this assclown!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:00 | 4512547 Siouxwestern
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RevRex,

 

Your Jew Hate is against ZH policy.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:06 | 4512567 Chuck Knoblauch
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Love the Torah, hate the Talmud and other Kabbalah trash. That should be ZH policy.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:38 | 4513629 resurger
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Fuck Tyler Durden for putting this policy, ZH was way better when we used to grill the fucking Jooz!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:55 | 4512507 jo6pac
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:06 | 4512565 Robb
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+1

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:57 | 4512526 Siouxwestern
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Truther nonsense.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:57 | 4512527 Siouxwestern
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Truther nonsense.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:59 | 4512538 Downtoolong
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Somebody's lying.

No wait, everybody's lying.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:07 | 4512568 flysofree
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Russia and Germany are planning EU takeover. That's why NSA is spying on Merkel, they don't trust her. Putin speaks fluent German and his kids study in Germany.

Russo-German cooperation in taking over Europe was actually being planned long time ago, that's until Hitler thought that he could take over both Russia and Europe.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:10 | 4512579 Spankrupt
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JFK, RFK never had a chance.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:13 | 4512601 Itchy and Scratchy
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This is definately the 'change I could believe in' that I voted all for to a group of transparent, 'caring & sharing', party for the people & by the people, the buck stop here, anti-corrupt liberal visonaries who are working hard behind the scenes to recover the respect for America by those around the world! I'm thinking Nobel Peace Prize for Ass't Sec of State Victoria Nuland just for beginners!  

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:40 | 4512606 paint it red ca...
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Could the snipers possibly not have been hired by Maidan or any other natives in the Ukraine mix?

Seems just as, if not more likely outside interests with evil, nefarious intent may have sent in teams to agitate and further exploit the opportunities covertly seeded by diplomats and operatives. For the last 30 years when it comes to initiating war, the ends justifies the means.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:16 | 4512616 Johnny Cocknballs
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a bit off topic, but does anyone here assume the position that the US/EU can effectively punish Russia financially in a way that isn't a Pyrrhic victory {in this query's universe, China backs Russia diplomatically, and threatens to cease use of US dollars in the event of NATO intervention}...

Just spitballing over here...    I'm not sure, unless and to the extent the EU/NATO can restrict Russian and Chinese development in Africa {something the US has been doing semi-covertly, of course, but could be ratched up}.  But...  be interested to hear different theories.

And, largely as further aside, I think the yuan could stand to gain quite a bit here in the nearer term.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:31 | 4513261 Johnny Cocknballs
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Bueller?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:26 | 4512666 chindit13
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In a surreptitiously recorded, then carefully leaked private phone conversation, the Estonian FM claims “Dr. Olga” told him both protestors and police were shot by the same snipers.  A reporter from the Telegraph subsequently phoned “Dr. Olga”, and she said that 1) she only saw protestors who had been shot, and did not know the type of wounds suffered by the military because she did not have access to the military dead and injured, and 2) No one who just sees the wounds when treating the victims can make a determination about the type of weapons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html

Somehow the majority of the crowd here concludes, among other things, that the Estonian FM whose statement is clearly at odds with the actual experience and beliefs of the person he quoted, has the whole thing solved, and that the snipers were some form of paid CIA assets, actual CIA personnel, Israelis, or anybody EXCEPT forces loyal to the deposed President Yanukovych.

Clearly an actual investigation is called for, though it seems many in the ZH crowd don’t think it’s necessary, since they already know.  How amusing that a crowd that likes to do the equivalent of Hollywood at Oscar time and pat itself on the back (in this instance for being “awake”), is taken in so easily by Russian propaganda (phone tap, leak, championed by RT and Voice of Russia).  How do you say sheeple in Russian?

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:26 | 4512940 Johnny Cocknballs
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukrain...

 

Now, apply your own arguments as against the EU/NATO propaganda you just advanced.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:17 | 4514961 chindit13
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I saw that you said you believe the story as stated by the Estonian FM.  Perhaps you can get to the bottom of it and call Dr. Olga yourself.  Oh, and perhaps you can play CSI-Cocknballs and explain how the injuries themselves can verify both ballistics and the shooters.

One can step back and assume that Dr. Olga either changed her story, or that the Estonian FM either misquoted her or is a apparatchik of Putin (both extremes), and the second point I noted (wounds say nothing about the shooters) remains.  If one considers that reality, then factors in the manner in which this private conversation became public (eavesdropping by the FSB, leaking by said same, championed primarily on RT and Voice of Russia) and it kind of suggests propaganda.

Now you are free to point out what EU/NATO propaganda I just advanced.

Oh, and if you can break away from the Putin Fanboi Convention, don't you find it at least mildly amusing that the Estonian FM---whom no one had ever heard of prior to this leak---is viewed as the paragon of truth and that since Dr. Olga subsequently stated views that directly contradict him, she is automatically viewed as co-opted/threatened/etc.  Then look at the RT-talking head article and note all those who conclude---not because of any special knowledge but solely because her resignation conflicts with their view that RT is the only MSM with value---tat she must have been paid-off/threatened/originally a plant.

It seems you and the prevailing zeitgeist here is that sides must be taken, and that anyone who sees fault on both sides is a shill/troll if he or she doesn't join PutiFest2014.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 02:36 | 4515645 The Wedge
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Lets talk about what we know.

A.) The protest in Kiev was pushed, timed and manipulated. There is no question this happened. It ramped up as the Olympics started and culminated with the coup before the closing ceremonies. This does not mean people weren't really upset. This does not mean Yanukovich is a good guy. They are manipulated and used as an asymmetrical force. And now the west acts as though Russia has violated international law. This just isn't the case. International law recognizes legally elected governments.

B.) Russia has secured their naval base in the Crimea, home of Russian carrier fleet as anyone would do. They have not invaded the main body of Ukraine.

Based on what has happened so far and the west's clear track record of asymmetrical warfare in the last few years, the above story has credibility. We are not there. Is it possible that this was an elaborate dis-information campaign by the Russians, absolutely. But based on the above, especially the bold, it's very hard for me to come to that conclusion.

I'm not taking sides. I call it like I see it. I don't think Putin is a good guy nor completely innocent in this matter. He is a well known thug. So was Yanukovich. But I really don't like my government engaging in asymmetrical warfare or hot war period. They don't engage in this for my well being. No, it's for some Geo-political, globalist agenda. It's fucking diabolical!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:25 | 4516413 SquirrelButtDan
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"They don't engage in this for my well being. No, it's for some Geo-political, globalist agenda."

Bingo! We have a winner...winner, winner chicken dinner. 

 

+100

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:22 | 4515232 chindit13
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Let me add, here is a site (Zerohedge) where many regular posters present themselves to be weapons and ammo experts, yet many of these same people accept the Estonian FM's comments without question, the correction by Dr. Olga that contrasts with Paet's claims notwithstanding.

Why, one must ask, do all of these weapons experts not question the veracity of a claim that a doctor, especially one working in stressful conditions to patch wounds and save lives, should be able to offer conclusive ballistic evidence and bullet matching? She is both a ballistics expert and had the time to carry out the necessary lab work on any bullets recovered?

That seems to be the textbook and quintessential example of Confirmation Bias.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:42 | 4513026 trader1
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+1

one of the few voices of reason in the ZH crowd

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:11 | 4513500 The Wedge
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Actually, what was implied was that the opposition paid the snipers. And NO, there will not be an investigation. That's laughable. Given the last 5 years with western countries fomenting revolutions all across the globe, this is certainly not a stretch. And we already know Us and European had interests in pushing/paying this coup. That's enough for me. These are very dangerous games they are playing. This is how world wars start. And there's a risk of accidental escalation. The bottom line is this story is more likely true than not.

 It is true that Russia puts out propaganda and dis-information. They're very skilled at it too. It's also true that western media pumps it out like toilet paper. Gobs and gobs of it. The Russian government has said they recognize the true elected government not the coup leaders and are responding to Yanukovich's request. Besides, Russia so far has only secured the Crimea, home of their carrier fleet. HOME OF THEIR CARRIER FLEET. As the US or anyone would do. It is doubtful they will invade the main body of Ukraine. So this hot air coming from Lurch and Barry about breaking international law is preposterous. The west are the ones slinging the bullshit. This situation is text book asymmetrical warfare.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:28 | 4512680 atsoft888
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Just ask a very simple question: who is the beneficiary?
If Yanukovich was half able to take decisions and really ordered any sniper provocations, new leaders of Free Ukraine would have already presented some proofs of it to justify an impeachment. They didn't.

Also, they opted to carry no investigations.

Also, Yats ( AKA the Rabbit) has ordered to destroy all wire-taps on US embassy and embassies of European powers. If Yanukovich was talking to them on something unlawfull, it would had been in press by now.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:27 | 4514716 Johnny Cocknballs
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Yats is a dirty wabbit.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:33 | 4512704 Itchy and Scratchy
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Where did the guys who shot the police get their guns from?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:34 | 4512708 Tracerfan
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There is no evidence that Yanukovich gave orders to the snipers, whoever they are.  He denies it.

The snipers killed protestors and the police battling the protestors.  Unlikely the police would shoot their own.

The new regime has resisted an investigation.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:21 | 4513818 MrSteve
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If they have come into power via this crime, then they will be quoting DeNiro- there's nothing wrong with a little shooting, as long as the right people get shot.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:42 | 4512752 SmittyinLA
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I would have ordered the molotov bomb throwers shot by snipers in a nano-second 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:43 | 4512755 Johnny Cocknballs
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I sure most ZHers could see how and would agree that various enterprises of the US government fit pretty tightly with so-called Pyrrhic defeat theory.  There are likely no more pure examples of circumspatial, self-fulfilling financial fuckery than the opium/heroin/drug war/military tasking has been, for decades, but with a marked jump after Af/Pak.

Instead of Krugman's broken window fallacy, we have a situation in which we pay someone to not break our windows.

....

To what extent do you think the world's mega corporations, including the major transnational banking and finance organizations, basically control the US military?

What about AIPAC, and/or AIPAC in concert with Southern Evangelical End-Of-The-Worlders?

 

If the answer is even a little you should be terrified.

And the answer is certainly more than 'a little.'  These cohesive political forces are probably necessary but not sufficient.  But to what extent are these forces and the forces of international banking and finance combined capable of starting wars?

Quite a bit.  Taken together, international banking, international economics and transnational zionism certainly control the US, as a whole, enough to reliably get a war going if sought, the majority of the time, if not virtually always.

I think there are a lot more Bunker 911s than even "awakers" are aware, I think the ammo is for the situation which will arise after a limited, but still very catastrophic, nuclear war. 

You aren't dealing wth normal psychologies with the people making the unfuckable decisions.  However they started out, as they get to the upper echelon 'lot of people dead or not' decisions it becomes more and more about political calculations and military considerations than it does about feverishly seeking alternatives to war given the unique value of human life. 

You can't have soldiers doing this, but what happens when it is bankers and politicians doing this?

This consideration, regarding some intrinsic value of human life, is maintained pretty well even in a absurd pop cultural landscape, but when it disappears in the people who are at the levels of Putins or MacChrystals or Obamas or, most certainly, Netanyahus.  Hence, the point - as you or I think through what could happen, or what should, we are looking at is entirely differently.

A limited exchange tactical nuclear war would be of benefit to the same circles in the Global Power Structure who pulled off The Big Wedding to get the benefits so obviously derived from that event [including avoiding prosecution ever for massive financial crimes].

Why on earth would the US sent a warship into the Black Sea right now?

 

 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:44 | 4512762 jmc8888
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The Anglo-Dutch-Saudi Empire instigated it all? Whocouldanode.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:50 | 4512784 bwdiii
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So who shoot dog also shoot pony, Olga?

Well, show must go on.

Olga maybe minister of taking care her own health,

time for vacation instead.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:54 | 4512802 Itchy and Scratchy
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If matters aren't sorted out soon ... then Hillary is going to put on her androgenous baby blue pant suit & go over there and start pointing her superior finger at people!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:55 | 4512805 Blood Spattered...
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You can always tell when Tyler strikes a nerve with a controversial, yet true story.  All of the shills come out of the woodwork to assassinate characters, and to lump us all into manageable groups to label and ostracize.

You shills realize that your vehement responses to Tyler's article further validate the legitimacy of the story, right?  Or didn't they cover reverse psychology in your 10 minute training video?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:31 | 4512966 the grateful un...
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on a lesser scale the former mayor of San Diego was shouted out of office on sexual harrassment charges, without a hearing, or a trial or any sort of impeachment motion. now the the police chief has resigned, after two of his officers are accused of sexual harrassment, one has had part of the verdict overturned due to improper defense evidence, and the other is still an open case. the new interim mayor promptly appointed San Diegos first female police chief, however the ACLU is taking action because the appointment went outside legal precedent and community review.

so you see a thread here (womens rights) and you see accusations and political attacks meant to force a civil or elected official to leave office, without any legal proceeding taken against them. and you have a member of the victims class appointed to replace them. (the interim mayor is not a woman, but he made the improper appointment of a woman police chief outside legal guidelines for these matters)

the real actors in this aren't people, they're a mindset, a certain psychology, which drives events and people get caught up in it. the hidden agenda in Ukraine is economic ties to the west, (womens rights and all the rest will come later probably). this is the new progressive movement. ( see obama and the cambridge professor, and see bush telling us that girls who can't go to school are the real reason we're fighting in afghanistan) everytime obama opens his mouth its reverse psychology. that's your training video. 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:58 | 4512814 Johnny Cocknballs
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Fuckin' hell...

People have voted and will vote for these unremitting evil fucktards.

What desire can a man have that the US government be of, for, and by The People, when the people are such ignorant despiccable twats?

Can you imagine the fuckin' things Hillary's campaign staff says about the American people when gathered in private?  Dear Vlad, you want to tap anyone, it's the next installed US President.

Or just ask Netanyahu what she said.  The Israelis, bless 'em would sell out the US for Russia/China at any time.

 

So don't act all surprised when it happens.  There are tens od thousands of potential Pollards percolating..high in the halls of government and military.

 

Good luck to us all.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:08 | 4512857 Blood Spattered...
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Not so long ago Kerry compared Assad to Hitler, yet went dutch with Assad at a fancy restaurant back in 2009.  Dinner date one day, Hitler the next.

Oh the ironing...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:37 | 4512997 Flakmeister
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I think it was Kerry that sprang for the laundry bill, but Assad had to pick the order up...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:09 | 4514339 Spankrupt
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When in hell did McCain have time to tweet his approval?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzr-d1u3d0

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:17 | 4512825 Chuck Knoblauch
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The Russian mob is Jewish. Many of Russia's oligarchs are Jewish. Russia's oil monopoly is owned by Russian Jews. Why do all these powerful Jews in Russia tolerate a Nazi like Putin, unless the Russian Jewish oligarchs are Nazis too? Hillary really doesn't use logic much anymore since leaving the legal profession.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:28 | 4512948 Johnny Cocknballs
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logic, huh?

Then you'll know you begged the question.

define "nazi"

then give a premise as to an essential quality of nazism as applies to Putin.

 

I'm actually interested to see what you come up with.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:11 | 4513117 Chuck Knoblauch
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Putin is a non-ethnic Nationalist. If he was an ethnic Nationalist, he'd be murdering Palestinians.

Nazis and Zionists are ethnic Nationalists.

Hillary called Putin a Nazi, and following her logic, the Russian Jewish oligarchs who support Putin must be Nazis too? Of course not. Her logic is flawed and I was pointing that out.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:23 | 4514072 Tracerfan
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Hillary Clinton is a lying sack of shit that will say whatever she things makes her more electable.

She's embarrassed by the "reset" (which the U.S. broke in Syria and now Ukraine) and Benghazi.

Any country that would elect her deserves her.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:25 | 4514419 Spankrupt
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Hey Knobby - Putin is ethnic - no? Born in St. Pete. Then there is the whole matter of the Russian beat down of Chechnya's (Muslim majority) orthodoxy.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:01 | 4512827 PTR
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discreditates

Just as bad a butchering as "Irregardless."

 

 


Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:05 | 4512851 Itchy and Scratchy
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I hear from inside sources that if Putin doesn't totally stand down Hillary is gonna start 'booty dancing' in her androgenous pant suit until he does!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:08 | 4512861 JLee2027
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US behind the protests? Did we provide tens of thousands of people to take to the streets as well?  Of course not.

Financial aid, yes. Advice and meetings, yes. Lots of chatter yes. But to claim the US was behind all this is a vast exaggeration. We didn't "choose" the current Ukraine Government, now did we?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:20 | 4512915 Chuck Knoblauch
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Tens of thousands sounds extreme. I counted about 2,000. I guess we're going to have to wait for the closing credits for this show?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 23:03 | 4529380 JLee2027
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2,000 to topple a government? No way.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:33 | 4512978 Haager
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Don't underestimate the dumbness of the masses.

 

Follow the leader! - Where to? - Doesn't matter, just follow!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:00 | 4513110 Blood Spattered...
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You obviously haven't heard of Operation Northwoods.  Bone up on that then get back to us...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:10 | 4512867 George Washington
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William Engdahl goes even further, alleging tht intelligence sources tell him that NATO was ultimately behind the snipers as part of a "Gladio" campaign:

Estonian
Foreign Minister Accuses NEW Ukranian Government of Being Behind Sniper
Attacks Which Led to Ouster of OLD Ukranian Government

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:17 | 4512900 Lost Word
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Then why is NATO being so careful now about any further provocations?

Unless NATO is meant to be the description for the US Government.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:15 | 4513177 wtf1369
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When has NATO meant anything else?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:48 | 4513049 BeansMcGreens
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Remember it was snipers (supposively Syrian Government) that got the Syrian Civil War going by shooting protesters.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:12 | 4512880 Itchy and Scratchy
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Looks like we may need the Kenyan to read his 'you didn't built that' speech again to the Ruskies!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:14 | 4512888 Johnny Cocknballs
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By the way, Catherine Ashton is a fucking idiot.  There's no way she's in on the loop that pertains to knowing about false flag snipers. 

She reminds me of a character from 30 Rock, comic genius goddess Tina Fey's David...

then there's this...

Russia Mulls Seizing Foreign Assets Over Sanctions Threat
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:24 | 4512929 Chuck Knoblauch
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Don't piss off the Russian mafia, man!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:44 | 4513647 NuYawkFrankie
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re By the way, Catherine Ashton is a fucking idiot

And a butt-ugly maggot-gagging one at that... uggh!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:14 | 4512889 Iam Yue2
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:15 | 4512893 Cornholiovanderbilt
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No way a group of no talent ass clowns would pin two sides against each other in conflict!!  PREPOSTEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

(sarc)

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:19 | 4512909 Itchy and Scratchy
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Official Word is out : Hillary is going braless until this situation is resolved!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:07 | 4512925 Chuck Knoblauch
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Is Hillary circumcised? I'll give Cathy O'Brien a call and find out. YouTube the connection between the two. It may shock you.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:39 | 4513007 Johnny Cocknballs
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O/T - Satoshi, you're being asked to call in today.

p and ty

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:48 | 4513048 Itchy and Scratchy
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Time for a full frontal assault on Moscow by the fearless gay & transgendered army!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:03 | 4513122 Addicted
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Today, Putin stands at the door of a system created by the Elite Jews, Satanists and criminally insane psychopaths. If he kicks it in, the whole rotten structure will come collapsing to the ground.

Putin has established the “red line” whereby he will send troops to the Ukraine. The Elite Jews, Satanists and criminally insane psychopaths have no choice but to cross that line.

The Russian Army will take the whole country in 48 hours, restore democracy and install an Icelandic model of banking. The Poles will invite him in to the same. Next will come Germany and the rest of Europe wishing to free themselves of the Elite Jews, Satanists and criminally insane psychopaths.

Can Putin win the peace? If he has found the Graal Hitler lost, there is little doubt.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:04 | 4513127 PontifexMaximus
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Did anyone hear anything from Klitschko & cons.?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:07 | 4513131 Chuck Knoblauch
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Why did Putin really pardon Yukos CEO KHODORKOVSKY in December of 2013?

Did Putin know the revolution was coming in Ukraine?

http://rt.com/op-edge/khodorkovsky-putin-pardon-reaction-513/

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:24 | 4513218 Johnny Cocknballs
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I'm not suggesting this is what happened, but sometimes you let someone go to see where they go from the point you released them.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:14 | 4513175 pops
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All together now...

You can get anything you want

at Alice's Restaurant.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:20 | 4513200 Chuck Knoblauch
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Michael Savage ignores the Russian mob. It doesn't exist as long as Michael is concerned. The forces acting on Putin inside Russia is of interest to me.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:29 | 4513248 Johnny Cocknballs
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He ignores it because they too are Jewish.

Michael Rivero even doesn't seem to be giving a lot of play to the idea that US/NATO snipers were false flag snipers, and he was a guy who was claiming that the Boston Bombing involved a lot of fake injuries and "crisis actors" which was easily falsified for anyone who maintains their cynicism of explanations consistently....

I would not be surprised if it were true, but I need more evidence than this info.  The snipers' shooting both sides is the interesting bit.  It would be much harder to prove "who" hired or ran them.  Could be CIA/contractors, could be IDF/contractors...  it could, if true, even have been Ivan... Ivan can be pretty tricksey in how own backyard. 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:46 | 4513364 Chuck Knoblauch
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Michael Savage doesn't want to be kicked off the Christmas card list.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:24 | 4513219 Road Hazard
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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:26 | 4513228 Runs-With_Toast
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False Flag

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:39 | 4513319 Phuk u
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This I think has been leaked by RT (Russia today). Watching RT is the best way of working out the Kremlin line

Just go on youtube and work it out for yourself, key in snipers in kiev, I can assure you that the Berkut/snipers are shooting

from the top and the unarmed are taking it in front. But from the side I dont know. Russian propaganda is no worse than the US,

its good and it works and a lot of you have bought it.

 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:46 | 4513654 bombdog
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I didn't know that RT did the switchboard for Cathy Ashdown's office? Perhaps you should get the Estonian FM on the case with youtube too.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:49 | 4513320 Radical Marijuana
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"... it is truly regrettable that the people know the truth ... "

Yes, for 2 reasons, 1st, those who are personally willing and able to engage in false flag murders will up their game, and 2nd, it is not likely that such "truth" will actually be reported by the mass media, and therefore, most of the people will probably still not know it, which may be paradoxically "good," because the more that the 2nd failed, and people did discover more truth about false flag murders, then the more that the 1st would be the real response, i.e., much worse false flag murders would be ordered by those who ordered the original false flag murders, IF enough of the people learned enough of the history of false flag murders having been quite successful in achieving the goals of those who ordered those false flag murder attacks to be done in the past. After all, it is obvious to anyone who bothers to do the research that all of the NATO actions for more than a decade have been based on treating false flag attacks as having not been false flag attacks.

Remember that in North America, the whole social system, in all the established political parties, and the mass media, still treat the 9/11/2001 false flag attacks as having not been false flag attacks. More 9/11 truth never made any difference, so far ... That raises interesting questions about what the different levels of command in NATO actually knew about whether the attacks that they based their responses upon were actually originally false flag attacks. Surely, the higher levels knew that their attacks were false flag attacks, and carried those out in order to have their pretexts to do what they wanted to do on the basis of presenting those attacks to the public as having not been false flag attacks.

Globalized Neolithic Civilization is terminally sick and insane, because the ruling classes are criminally insane, and will surely respond to more people learning the truth about false flag murders by staging much greater false flag murders. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IF MORE PEOPLE LEARN MORE OF THE TRUTH IS THAT THINGS WILL GET WORSE, because, false flag murders using weapons of mass destruction is still on the agenda for the foreseeable future.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:09 | 4513761 thomasco
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For more of the story-behind-the-story of US involvement listen to the brilliant exegesis by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts available at Kingworld News.  We really blew it in the Ukraine.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:13 | 4514019 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, thomasco, I have often read Roberts' articles, and they appeared correct to me. One of the things I liked about Roberts is that he tends to not pull his punches at the end of his presentations.

Since I have been researching these kinds of issues too, for a while, I had already presumed what this article above on Zero Hedge confirmed was probably the case. Indeed, these days I start off by assuming that any evil thing that I could imagine has probably already actually been done, and that there are probably evil things, which I could not imagine, that have also been done.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:20 | 4513477 Johnny Cocknballs
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I feel like we should be suspicious of all corporate media, to include the New York Times and CNN, which I believe function, actually, as organs of state propaganda.

Johnny always adds value*.

{*remark on the third-grade report card of a Young Dr. Jonathan Phallusettestes}

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:13 | 4513512 Quantum Nucleonics
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Looks like the SVR has hacked ZN and handed control to Zvezda.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:23 | 4513535 bombdog
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Another contrived piece of Russian propaganda whereby they have tricked the nice Ms Ashdown into having a conversation with the Estonian Foreign Minister.

Gosh! Kim Kardashian sex tapes

Gosh! Did you see Miley Cyrus Bangerz tour? Outrageous!

And all those bodies piled up on the Maidan Square and it was the same shooter all along...

Gosh! they maybe ought to have an investigation... well anyway... we better crack on now with finding funds for these guys. Not going to Australia anymore. bye byeeee hugzz xxx

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:45 | 4513917 chump666
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Lets put it this way, when to comes to propaganda Russia is a machine.  Vlad rallies markets with his, 'I come in peace' jive,  has the whole EU (money printers) by the balls, continues his encirclement of Ukraine (now getting Estonia on point).  I gotta take my hat off to the guy, he is trouncing every f*cker out there.  Oh on the subject of snipers.  Russia had men on the ground way before the 'official invasion'  Sniper positions were set up around military bases in the Crimea etc.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:50 | 4514695 Emergency Ward
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Not to denigrate the Russian experts who learned from master Stalin, but there has never been an equal to the US/EU propaganda machine.  The West has spent decades and trillions of dollars of Western tax wealth taken from the producing class to finance the world's greatest surveillance and propaganda network.

Some people laugh at and cheer the comical "underdog" thug Putin when he makes the neo-fascist thug Obama look like a fool.

Take all the spin with a grain of salt.

"I swear, Your Honor, it was a Neo-Con sniper rifle with a Progressive scope and Russian bullets."

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:17 | 4514040 Tradehard
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Excuse me ? Did you just blame the Estonian Foreign Minister of helping with Russian propaganda ? If that's what you said, you've clearly never been to Estonia or understand Estonia at all. I live here. And his party is the most diehard pro-EU/Anti-Russia party we have. You are reading into it too much. It was just a wiretap..

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:31 | 4513603 goldhedge
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Not on the BBC News.   I am shocked I tell you. 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:31 | 4513604 goldhedge
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Not on the BBC News.   I am shocked I tell you. 

 

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