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"Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released

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The last time a leaked phone call out of Ukraine was released about a month ago ostensibly by the Russian NSA equivalent, one between US assistant sec state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, it was revealed that the real puppet masters behind the Maidan movement, and the true instigators of the Ukraine "revolution" were none other than the "developed" world superpowers, lead by the US. Also revealed were tensions between the US and EU strategies on how to overthrow the current government, culminating with the infamous "Fuck the EU." Needless to say the US, which implicitly confirmed the recording, was angry at Russia and accused it of using dirty tricks.

That's ironic, because when it comes to "dirty tricks" what is about to be presented, blows the top off anything Russia may or has done to date.

Earlier today an even more shocking recording has been "leaked" this time one between the always concerned about human rights EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet, in which it is revealed on tape that all those photos of horrifying deaths of Ukrainians by snipers during the last days of the Median stand off, were in fact caused not by Snipers controlled by Yanukovich, but that the snipers shot at both protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders!


Here is the key exchange, just after 8 minutes into the conversation :

Paet: "All the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides. ... Some photos that showed it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it is really disturbing that now the new coalition they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition."

Ashton: "I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh."

Paet: "It already discreditates (sic) this new coalition."

So first US orchestrates the Kiev overthrow, and now the new "leaders" of Ukraine are allegedly found to have fired against their own people - the same provocation they subsequently used to run Yanukovich out of the country and install a pro-Western puppet government. Of course, said pro-Western coalition has not been discreditated (sic) because Ms. Ashton has sternly refused to investigate, knowing quite well how horribly this would reflect on the new Ukraine "leadership" -  a government which shot its own people to fabricate the pretext under which it rose to power.

Is it any wonder then that Russia has responded the way it has?

As for at least one of the affected parties, Estonia, it has just confirmed the authenticity of the recording, and the ministry of foreign affairs has organized a press conference to answer media questions today at 5 pm. From the Valisministeerium:

No. 84-E Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton uploaded to the Internet today, a phone call is authentic.

 

Paet and Ashton conversation took place on 26 February, following Estonia's Foreign Minister's visit to Ukraine, and immediately after the end of the street violence.

 

Foreign Minister Paet communicate what he had said about the meetings held in Kiev last day and expressed concern about the situation.

 

"It is extremely regrettable that such an interception is occurring at all""said Paet., Including its call for today's photos are not random," he added.

Yes, it is truly regrettable that the people know the truth.

Full leaked recording below:

 

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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:53 | 4513684 Chuck Knoblauch
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The Kiev version is one page, instead of two, with the legend at the bottom. I'm glad these terrorists are thinking about the environment.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:21 | 4514687 Johnny Cocknballs
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I guess one person never heard of repurposing your agitprops.

sheesh.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:58 | 4513712 gnomon
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These kinds of stories tell me that the shooting isn't over yet.  And personally I don't care what the truth is over there.  

I want to stop the Constitution from being shredded here.  And you do that by nailing to the wall every last rat bastard pol, bankster, and bureaucrat who have turned  the U.S. into  a Venezuelan whorehouse.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:56 | 4513959 gearbaby
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Hey, don't besmirch Venezuelan whorehouses.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:03 | 4513737 gearbaby
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No surprises here

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:03 | 4513973 Amagnonx
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I never bothered to say anything about these shootings because I just thought that everyone would understand that it was the people who organized the coup - if it turned out to be someone else I would have been utterly shocked.

 

The shooters were almost certainly CIA/Mossad (or some EU intelligence members) - but it is possible that they were locals who were willing to do this on behalf of the coup plotters - it seems very unlikely though, most likely they were foreigners - Israeli's, Americans or from someplace else in Europe .. its less than ' not surprising' - its blatantly obvious who gained from the killing.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:13 | 4513785 Phuk u
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Just watch unarmed people get shot while you count your bullets and silver dollars and Krugerrands

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ488QrqGE4

 

I will say this once, better the devil you know and I will take Barry over Putin every time.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:25 | 4514077 forwardho
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Phuk, if you know the mind of barry, then you know he has always planned to knock the U.S. down to the lowest common denominator. If your ok wit dat, wish you the best and hope you survive the death squads.

Peace out brother.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:35 | 4514122 Debt Slave
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Putin is looking very good to a great deal of Americans at the moment.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:16 | 4513796 401-Kulak
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How many sharks are we going to jump here?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:19 | 4513812 bentzn
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I have not read all comments so I have no way of knowing if this has already been posted.

This is from the Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs - where one half of the leaked phone call is working:
'We reject the claim that Paet was giving an assessment of the opposition’s involvement in the violence.' 

http://www.vm.ee/?q=en%2Fnode%2F19353  

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:22 | 4513827 Fraud-Esq
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I wouldn't trust anything happening in Ukraine. Even the imprisoned Princess Leia is a corrupt energy oligarch. Ukrainian politics is mob-on-mob. Maybe average Ukrianians are shooting up both sides.   

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:32 | 4513867 chump666
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Estonian???

ZH c'mon!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:33 | 4513876 Debugas
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"uninvited visitors during night to the parliament members"

And that is the parliament voting there the future of the country

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:44 | 4513916 Mr Giggles
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Yea no significant jobs for any one, be a snezper.

Sarjero, lets all kiss our children and balkanise.

This is all for currency?

localise for you.

There is no money only wishes.

pm

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 18:58 | 4513969 chump666
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Seriously ZH....  "Doctors" and forensics!

"He relays suspicions of coalition government involvement in the sniper killings after a conversation he had with Dr. Olga Bohomolets, a physician who attended to dead and wounded EuroMaidan protesters and who recently refused a ministerial appointment in the new government.

“What was disturbing is that the same snipers ...killed people on both sides. She (Bohomolets) showed me some photos. She said that as a medical doctor she could tell it was the same handwriting, the same type of bullets and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, they don't want to investigate what exactly happened,” Paet tells Ashton. “There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovych. It was somebody from the new coalition.”

FMS!

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/estonian-foreign-minister-in-lea...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:14 | 4514380 walküre
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Keep at it.

"same tye of bullets" they were all shiny and pointy

"somebody from the new coalition" .. which has Russian collaborateurs

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:08 | 4514001 post turtle saver
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Paet was told to say this by his handler... moving on...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:10 | 4514006 tedstr
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ONly thing I dont get here is motive.  Who givves a flying fuck about some eastern european broke backwater thats only going to piss off the other major world power.  MAkes no sense

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:42 | 4514801 Amagnonx
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Oh jesus .. on ZH?  Really?

 

Its about control, Russia is resisting the banksters - so the banksters want to squeeze the crap out of them by grabbing the pipeline nexus - Ukraine .. and also they wanted the port, but no chance for them getting that I think.

 

The current Ukraine govt was supposed to be a soft ball for the EU - but some crazy neo nazi's were more trigger happy and better armed then the EU's puppets.  Now the EU will be heading in there to try and bribe fanatics - or kill them and blame it on Putin.  For Putins part - he probably is going to kill them and blame the EU.

So the current Ukraine govt is going to be killed one way or another - unless they smarten up and hand power over to either Russia or the EU - they can sail their ships around, and march their troops - but they are basically dead already unless they start running now and get a good headstart.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:11 | 4514012 Tradehard
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Have any of you actually listened to the recording ? Reading in to it a bit too much ? Nothing was really said. I'm from Estonia and sounds like Paet was bitching and moaning as usual. There is no mention of concrete evidence.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:22 | 4514064 Debt Slave
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For those of us who have been watching the events of the last 3 decades, I object to the use of the word "stunning" in the headline. We are not in the least bit surprised.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 19:36 | 4514103 flysofree
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Occam Razor

Not too many people are probably aware that Poland went to war against Ukraine at the end of WWII to fight the Nazi inspired nationalists. I think people are making a mountain out of molehill in this Ukrainian situation. In my opinion this is nothing more than yet another Arab spring.

The Ukrainians want to end corruption and be part of Europe. But this is not as straight forward as Egyptians also found out. Different parties pull Ukraine in different directions: that includes neo-Nazi movement like RIGHT SECTOR. Aryan type of websites like to point out that Ukrainians have one of highest genetic correlation to ancient Aryans. International nazi groups are also active in Ukraine--not surprisingly their involvement has its roots in desire to establish a White Race Nation.

However Ukraine is country with carved up borders: the western part of Ukraine was taken away from Poland and under agreement with Soviet Union, Polish citizens were resetlled in western Prussia. The eastern part of Ukraine with its Russian population was gifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev(Ukrainian.)

The ethnic Russians don't want to be a part of this bankrupt and nationalistic state given that Russia has prospered significantly more than Ukraine and also they don't want to be a part of another state like Baltics have become under EU.

Then there is the issue of Nato encroachment on Russia since the Clinton days. US and Nato always seem to desire to stick warheads on Russian borders.

And then there is EU, that's the troika with its billions of debt held by EU banks. What better way to ensure that those loans are repaid than to put in a caretaker government. It worked in Greece, Ireland, and Latvia and yes also in Ireland.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:43 | 4515311 the grateful un...
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just when i thought this mess couldn't be more confusing someone compares it to the Arab SPring

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:51 | 4515889 Phuk u
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Flysofree, Under the Molotov/ Ribbentrop deal a part of Western Ukraine was annexed to Poland.

which left a lot of Ukrainians in Poland. It was Ukrainians who were repatriated to the former Prussian

states to split them up and stop them fighting for independance under Aksiya Visla or Operation Vistula.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:05 | 4514316 pumping irony
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An interresting vid

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567

 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:22 | 4514407 mrbadexample
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So let me get this straight:

1) A low level estonian diplomat who may very well be a bought and paid for FSB asset spoke to a "Dr." with clear political sympathies (unconfirmed) who said that the bullets were the same (Unconfirmed) and the ???handwriting???? was the same (unconfirmed) as what? Does she mean to say that th3 7.62x54mm round that killed cops was the same caliber as the one that killed protesters because in this part of the world most sniper rifles and infantry marksman weapons use that very same round? Oh well then nobody ever thought to sew anarchy and confusion by doing so.... What bullshit. So what. It doesn't prove shit except that Yanukovich MAY have thought far enough ahead to have his snipers ice some cops who he doesn't give two fucks for anyway... What a fucking fake scoop. I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition was in fact responsible for the sniper killings I'm just saying that this "leak" is clearly not News but rather psyops. Why is a website full of skeptics so fucking credulous???

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:30 | 4514437 tony wilson
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mrbadexample

 

you cannot get anything straight you are a homosexualist which means you are bent.

no matter chillax today you can adopt babies and have cock and cock church weddings.

if you jewish sorry as i know analism in holy buildings is only for the goy.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:55 | 4514563 mrbadexample
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Tony Wilson = Gay NSA troll. Whenever these types use creative names/phrases for homosexuality like "homosexualist which means you are bent." it is clear to all adults in the room they are closeted homosexuals who cannot cope with or come to terms with their undying inner lust for man ass. I hope that Tony can find hope and faith in our lord Jeebus Crust.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:01 | 4514596 Pressfiretostart
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"low level Estonian Diplomat?" Urmaes Paet is the Foreign Minister of Estonia you dumbfuck government shill.

 

Your kind make me deeply ashamed to be American.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:10 | 4514642 mrbadexample
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Ok, you mean the foreign minister of a country with the same population as the smallest and most insiginifcant US state (RI) with a salary lower than most Tuscan villa landlords.... "Foreign Minister of Estonia" is right about the same level as the cock and balls of the G8 (or G7) with same attendant responsbilitities. The only people who matter in Estonia are Reisnalu and the PM. Sorry to offend the Baltic brethren with all their heavy breathing constant sorrows...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:18 | 4514677 Johnny Cocknballs
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leave me out of it.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:33 | 4514458 Debugas
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a "low level diplomat" is a minister of foreign affairs

i know it is hard to believe but estonia has an elite that actually cares about its country and is responsible before its people.

Just one fact - for many years their parliament was prohibited by law to pass deficit budgets - they had to actually balance it

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:46 | 4514513 mrbadexample
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"estonia has an elite"

ROFL

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 20:55 | 4514556 Spankrupt
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Left and Right making illiquid comparisons to hitler. These two wit-less clowns should be paying a heavy media price for their latest satire. Holy fuck are they imbeciles.

To wit:

McCains finest hour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ka5T95_9MQ

 

Hitch on Hillary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoadEm6fi0

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:07 | 4514618 Iam Yue2
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Behind the political facade the economic reality - Ukraine is fucked;

 

"Ukraine’s C/A deficit was almost flat yoy at USD 0.14 bln in January compared to USD 0.12 bln in the same year-ago month, the National Bank of Ukraine reported on March 4. Exports continued last year’s downward trend (-11.7% yoy) owing to shrinking demand for machinery (-30.0% yoy), chemicals (-45.5% yoy) and food (-13.1% yoy). Imports also shrank (-9.1% yoy) on the back of ongoing declining purchases of hydrocarbons (-18.0% yoy) and machinery (-22.5% yoy).


An USD 1.80 bln outflow occurred in the state’s financial and capital accounts (compared to a USD 0.51 bln inflow in the same year-ago month). Individual cash demand (USD 0.71 bln) and bad loan rollovers (65% in January) were the key reasons. Net FDI was reported at USD 5 mln in January compared to USD 18 mln a year ago.

January’s general balance was reported with a deficit of USD 1.90 bln. On the top of that, USD 0.65 bln was paid to the IMF. As a result, gross foreign reserves dropped USD 2.6 bln to USD 17.8 bln, which is 2.0 months of future imports."

 

Source;CC

 

And actually reserves are now though to be around the USD 14 bn mark - with 10bn of debt to pay this year.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:17 | 4514672 Johnny Cocknballs
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have you noticed that the global supersystem of fiat / frac reserve banking is barking alarms all at the same time?

The fiat currencies are collapsing, it is a race to steal real assets [as opposed to promisory notes and their variants and derivatives]

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:51 | 4515890 zionhead101
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My feeling is that CHF, SGD, NOK is real, and EUR is real.

The race is to be the one selling OIL to EUROPE to get those Euro's.

The ZIO- have built a colony of sand with their ownership of the US of Zion.

Sure they can print toilet paper (FIAT) to the moon, and send mercenary morons to die anywhere on earth, ... but that FIAT will soon be worthless.

*

So ZIO- created BITCOIN(NSA), and invaded SYRIA, Backup was UKRAINE, just to steal the GAZPROM biz.

 

Russia is sitting good, they'll get euro's, the ZIO- ran the USA into the ground by design, ... probably plan to re-occupy post civil-war after all are dead.

Get CHF, EURO, SGD, maybe a little CNY, and JPY.

real money

But yes, ... steal all you cant that's real and get a income going while you can cuz very soon post USD collapse those that use that FIAT for their war-mongering are fucked

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 07:08 | 4515902 FredFlintstone
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What is the best way for an American to obtain foreign currency of the type you suggest?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:30 | 4514729 Xandrino
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The only thing holding this shit-show together is the ignorance of about 90-95% of the population

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:38 | 4514781 FredFlintstone
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Try 99% of the population. Are you a 1%er?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:28 | 4515006 Rock On Roger
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Maybe a .2%er. I figured it out the other night. 14 some odd million out of 6.9 billion.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:47 | 4515886 zionhead101
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V for Vendetta really somes it up the best.

 

"Some thing terribly wrong, but you only  need look in the mirror"

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How that are we at 1,000 yet?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:45 | 4515883 zionhead101
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Over 60% of the USA public are on the DOLE, aka FSA ( cop, welfare-hos, ... mil )

That only leaves 40% that don't feed at the tit,

So 60% are not going to bitch, the 40% that don't get USA milk are probably too stupid,... thus what percentage actually want to change the USA for the better?

Nada, zilch

Probably the hard core libertarians on this site, will not by principal feed at pig trough but what are you 2%,

*

What % want change?

What % care what's going on ?

What % knows what's going on?

*

It's all stupid, what is a  known-known is tha the USA has gone full-retard, and if you didn't get your ass and money out years ago, you be fucked.

I gain throw rocks, ... only cuz I'm long fucking GONE :)

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:39 | 4514787 Manipuflation
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  Woman.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:48 | 4514835 Cornholiovanderbilt
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My alternative investment in rare scotches was a bad idea!!!

[gulp]

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 21:57 | 4514874 earleflorida
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again, Pepe Escobar hits the nail on its head-- a must read with a backup peice from William Engdahl @ global research   Mar. 5, 2014

A Must Read    

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:11 | 4514932 nah
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popular front hires hit men to attack front line protesters records the whole thing on tape and almost gets away with it and still topples the gubmit

.

send in the nazi killerz bitchez

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:44 | 4515071 Spankrupt
Wed, 03/05/2014 - 22:48 | 4515086 devnickle
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Why am I not surprised........ Our government IS "The disgusting thing that causes desolation". Truly evil and sickening.....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:12 | 4515185 headless blogger
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Zero Hedge has been hard for me to enter lately, very slow, etc. Has anyone else had this problem? No other problems with other sites.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:18 | 4515214 willwork4food
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Yes. I've had interuption problems on ZH for months now. Doesn't make sense, but I put up with it because ZH is the real deal.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:08 | 4515542 IridiumRebel
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1) use a good browser like Mozilla or (choke) chrome
2) install adblocker
3) read and pass knowledge to fatfuck neighbor Mericans
4) stack
5) ridicule Fonestar

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:37 | 4515292 Ralph Spoilsport
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No problems here but several other people have mentioned problems in the last few days.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:13 | 4515187 Ralph Spoilsport
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Webster Tarpley is on the Jeff Rense show right now and it sounds like he's reading from this ZH post as he gives his take on Ukraine.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:29 | 4515216 MollyHacker
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Gen. Alexander, sir.
50 years ago USA was a Hero

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:19 | 4515221 nathan1234
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To me , all this financial crisis, has been planned and planned with certain conclusions.

No sane financial expert can ever deny that the present monetary system is bound to collapse.

Even a layman knows that you cannot print your way out of trouble.

Or create further debt in a system already overloaded with debt.

Or have a fiat currency without controls.

We are doomed to go through a historic crisis ( financial and war). Of that there is absolutely no doubt in my mind.How many of us will survive is the question?

The timing and place is not known. Events have already occured to this end. Sometimes events happen that change the most cleverly programmed time tables.

And as for who is responsible, please find out for yourself.

Good Luck to all Z Hedgers. This is the only forum where I have seen common sense and real knowledge. And exchange of Knowledge.

 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:31 | 4515258 ChargingHandle
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The Polar Vortex must be involved in this. Tell me the truth!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:43 | 4515299 Chuck Knoblauch
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Zero Hedge -

Fed nominee Stanley Fischer has a Citigroup problem

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/03/fed-nominee-stanley-fischer-has-a-...

Last evening, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee made the unexpected announcement that it was postponing the confirmation hearing of Stanley Fischer to serve as Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. Two other Fed nominees were to be vetted today. The hearing had been scheduled for 10 a.m. this morning in the Dirksen Senate Office Building. No reason was given for the postponement.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 12:03 | 4515324 WhyWait
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A search of Google News and Yahoo News found this story covered by Reuters, The Guardian, PressTV, RT, Voice of Russia, Foreign Policy, Kyiv News, Frontline, CounterPunch and ZeroHedge among others.  

I also found it on AntiWar.com, Firedoglake.com, GlobalResearch.ca, newsuk24, Infowars, investmentwatch, Oathkeepers and LewRockwell.  

I did not find it on the NYTimes, HuffPost, FoxNews, CNN or MSNBC sites.

A list of every North American Daily Newspaper, radio or TV news network or TV station that was reported by Google or Yahoo to have covered this story:

New since Midnight: By Dana Ford, CNN http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/ukraine-leaked-audio-recordin... Highly dismissive, but at least it's there.

[that's it] 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:47 | 4515329 Kina
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The whole thing from the very beginning is undoubtedly a game set up and executed by the US/CIA because of the failure of their plan to oust the Syrian regeim and build their own pipeline to Europe compete with Russia.

The USA is trying to reduce Russia's power and influence as a bit of revenge mixed with longer term strategy.

So the CIA sets about arranging a coup in the Ukraine, but it gets taken over, by design or accident, by extreme right wing neo nazi types. But that doesn't stop the CIA arranging to have random people murdered in the streets to make Russia look like Stalin. 

And Russia takes the opportunity to sure up its 'possession' of the Crimea, which is the main asset.

Having failed and having fuck all leverage over Russia, since it has Europe by the energy balls, the USA goes the old propaganda route and sanctions route.

The US oligachs are scratching their heads trying to work out how to make money and power out of all this. Having a bit of a war is good for them, the weapons makers pick up some more billions, banksters make money on the financing and so forth. But stoking a war in the area could have unforseen consequences and cause them to lose even more money in their Europeane enterprises.

Meanwhile Germany is quitely telling the US to go fucking home, STFU - half our energy comes from Russia...and we Germany are the economic engine of Europe...get it Kerry/Obama/Banksters?

The USA continues to errode its credibility and support in Europe through these stupid coup / war projects.

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:08 | 4515684 trader1
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http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42405.pdf

Germany relies on Russia for less than 9% of its primary energy needs, and less than 40% for NG (as a source).  

 

Notes: For primary energy, which is the base source of energy used to produce electricity and perform other work, Russian natural gas does not comprise greater than 50% for any EU country.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:12 | 4515760 Sandmann
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The USSR and Russia have been reliable partners in gas supply to Western Europe and never caused trouble like US ally Saudi Arabia through OPEC in 1973 to back up Egypt's war with Israel.

Israel is a threat to European security when the UK gets 15% gas from Qatar and has to toe the foreign policy line in Libya and Syria to appease Qatar.......or accept Saudi control of Bahrain (not mentioned in System Media either)

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:12 | 4515761 Sandmann
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The USSR and Russia have been reliable partners in gas supply to Western Europe and never caused trouble like US ally Saudi Arabia through OPEC in 1973 to back up Egypt's war with Israel.

Israel is a threat to European security when the UK gets 15% gas from Qatar and has to toe the foreign policy line in Libya and Syria to appease Qatar.......or accept Saudi control of Bahrain (not mentioned in System Media either)

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:44 | 4515725 smacker
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"So the CIA sets about arranging a coup in the Ukraine, but it gets taken over, by design or accident..."

I would hazard a guess and say it was by design. The CIA will pay anybody to do their dirty work.

And there was the (arrested) guy involved in rioting in Kiev who is adamant that he saw up to 60 Americans and 40 Germans involved in stirring up violence during the riots. Some Poles and Turks too. Presumably, all under Western control.

Then we have this issue of "who" was behind the snipers. The CIA??

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:09 | 4515757 Sandmann
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I doubt the CIA needs to provide snipers in Ukraine......I should think Svoboda has enough as does Privy Sektor......there must be lots of Dragunov rifles around and lots of hunters.

I doubt the CIA choreographed this - I bet Privy Sektor saw its chance and planned with the Ukrainian Secret Police just as the Romanian Coup was an inside job in 1989 and the gangsters got to suk on the EU teat.

This is inspirational to the hard right in Greece and Golden Dawn should watch, as should groups in France, Italy, Spain and Hungary.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:32 | 4515786 smacker
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Well, we already know from leaked telecalls (eg: Nuland) that the USG, EU & UK have been directly involved in steering the Ukraine coup. We also know that the EU & USG have some differences over tactics. It isn't a big step for shady Western agencies (eg the CIA) to have choreographed the sniper incident, even if they used eager local neo-nazi hitmen to do the shooting. Far greater incidents of deception have been perpetrated over the years.

Perhaps it doesn't really matter who organised it. It looks like it was a deliberate false flag to manipulate public opinion.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 23:50 | 4515343 Kina
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Saudi Arabia should expect some turnoil and chaos on its home soil in the near future.

 

The US and Saudis think that Russia and China can't play the same game??

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:04 | 4515388 Robot Traders Mom
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Seriously. You can't even read the first few pages of the comments section.

Non-Kardashian news aggregated at www.TopTheNews.com 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:00 | 4515524 IridiumRebel
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That's cuz everyone wants to be firsties. I have my shit backwards with newest first. Everyone that has oldest first makes it three commenters down and then opines.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:07 | 4515537 zionhead101
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Same Here Newest first, ... shit here in 5 minutes the old stuff is old.

I don't know why newest ain't default,...

It's telling that those that don't have an account, get the oldest first with the most points, but then you end up with the default being 3 pages of troll-to-troll, and no outsidee would ever make it to the end stuff which is more interesting.

Most of the POSTS end up with fonestar talking to his bot's for the first two pages of every post, with no mention ever of the actual post subject.

By design? I think so, the struggle to maximize google click revenue is such that none of the comments or post are designed for humans, its all setup to maximize GOOGLE-RANK, an Ad-Clicks.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:35 | 4515584 IridiumRebel
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Yup. I can't read those super thin threads from my spyPhone. Keep Rollin 101.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:14 | 4515419 Kina
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I did not find it on the NYTimes, HuffPost, FoxNews, CNN or MSNBC sites.

 

The Huffington Post seems to be Obama's new first best friend. They will follow the party line and nothing else.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:25 | 4515573 WhyWait
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Their beating of the war drums was disgusting.  Just disgusting.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:34 | 4515460 jonjon831983
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Wow, +900 comments and +100K views.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:40 | 4515477 MsCreant
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Helping to get this post to the 1000 comment mark.

Hopeless and FUBAR.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 02:27 | 4515634 chump666
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Fever baby. Click! 

Telegraph killed the story hours ago, interviewed the actual "Doctor"

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:43 | 4515486 smartsun
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Who shoud be blamed for the cunrrent Ukraine? 

Obama...

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 00:59 | 4515507 A Dollar Short
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Stunning?  I think not.  Obama and his world money cronies set this up big time.  What is Yat's (ie - coup leader's) background?  Head of Central Bank!

 

Their sniper's blew away their own people, on both sides.  

 

FU-O

 

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:12 | 4515550 adeptish
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I'll kick myself in the morning for typing this but thanks everyone for an informative discourse.

flak and co. especially...

hugs

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:44 | 4516507 Flakmeister
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Ah shucks....

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 01:32 | 4515581 IridiumRebel
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Just hoisting a shout out to the trolls workin overtime tonight. Glad your graduate work was subpar so you gotta stay "entry level" and pull all nighters rockin disinformation.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:58 | 4515749 Johnny Cocknballs
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How many websites do you think there are on the internet?

How many "government trolls" do you think are on the payroll?

 

Do the math, Sparky.

 

None of this is real, maaaaaaaan.

 

Hey hey, hey man.

 

They're gonna turn off your fucking chip, man!

 

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:21 | 4515700 walküre
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Almost a thousand posts and none the wiser

NONE and NO ONE knows the truth here but keep lambasting each other over this stuff. The elite has got you right where they want you.

In other news, the markets are dead and funds are running out just about everywhere... but the "recovery" meme is alive and well

Towards the end of the Nazi's Reich, we called this "Durchhalteparolen". Germans were told that all is fine, their cinemas would show how Germany was winning the war in "Der Wochenschau" and nobody dared question any of it because all media was "gleichgeschaltet".

Google translate it or look up the wiki pages.

Nothing has changed. Meanwhile a new generation is being molded for a slaughtering and a fleecing. For what and over what are we arguing? How are we any different from cave men fighting each other with clubs over the best caves in the ground? We are no different. Just fancier language, better outfits and sleaker facial features. Grunting and moaning as always.

Enjoy life as long as you still can. Storm clouds are brewing and privileges we might take for granted today may not be tomorrow.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:15 | 4515764 smacker
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I think your comments would be more relevant if posted on the "old" MSM.

ZH is the "new" MSM. It is here that people seek to wriggle out the truth of what's going on. That is always difficult because we already know that the criminals who run our countries go to extreme lengths to keep their criminality hidden from view. Events in Ukraine are a perfect example of that in action.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 03:49 | 4515736 _underscore
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I'd like to ask any ZHers if this has been reported or even alluded to in any of your (native) MSM outlets - I'm thinking primarily of broadcast TV, but any print/online MSM if not.

 

Here in the UK, the Daily Telegraph (to their credit) have, but it's in na rolling news page & not highlighted or made to seem significant.

The broadcast MSM completely & utterly ignored it - I'm appalled.

This must be the best recruiting sergeant for the alternative/non-MSM media in memory - the 'participarting' Western govts. are now actively

covering up political murder & the MSM activley covering it up.

 

Keep up the vital work, Tylers. Respect to ZHers.

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:12 | 4515752 fxchange
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I watch Euronews, BBC, DW, Bloomberg TV, CNBC, VoA, ucranian "1+1".

No ONE even mentioned about this bomb under the new ucranian authorities.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 07:20 | 4515910 Iam Yue2
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Disney?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 08:33 | 4516022 fxchange
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Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:16 | 4515766 observer007
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22 Billion Dollars found: Photos of a Mexican drug lord's home after being raided

 

The money  and valuables found in this one house alone, would be enough to pay for  health insurance for every man woman and child in the USA for 12  years!

 

All photos here:

http://homment.com/drug-lord-home

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:26 | 4515781 fijisailor
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What a fucking idiot.  He held it all in fiat.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:32 | 4515787 fijisailor
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Why should I give a shit which goup of oligarchs/corporations control the ukraine?  This article has been a top story distraction on ZH for way too long.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 04:44 | 4515797 _underscore
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Because the geo-political aspect is important & fits the plan - that plan is intended to de-stabilise the region & threaten a nuclear superpower - and that won't be a cost-free option. The detail of the resultant local power structure & list of winners & losers in mere $ terms isn't that important.

 Perhaps that's why a shit is worth giving.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:24 | 4515857 fijisailor
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The plan is to distract you from the daily robbery of your own wealth you tool.  That phone call is nothing but the statement of a rumor.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:07 | 4515828 Deathstar
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Invest in rare earth elements NOW!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:02 | 4515829 Deathstar
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I have observed many times throughout his reign that the ObumOrantung has proven concisely that africans do not possess the IQ level required to administrate on the level of superpower status.

Just like all the productive farm land stolen from caucasian farmers and given back to africans that turned it all back into a wasteland, you muslim gangland NIG obama.. YOU are doing the same to this country. You are tearing this Republic asunder much like your bushmen in africa.  You are doing NOTHING but taking back land developed by WHITES and driven back into unproductivity like those of your race back in africa.  NOTHING GOOD CAME OUT OF AFRICA BUT FROM THE HANDS OF WHITES AND THE ORIENTALS, IN THE PAST AND NOW.

You are a LOSER in the global chess game like your race in africa!

Nothing else needs to be stated.

 

Go Putin!  Place the halfrican in his place as has happened throughout recorded history betwixt Caucasians and africans.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 06:10 | 4515847 it aint easy
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Discreditated?! Unpossible!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 07:39 | 4515932 RabbitChow
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So we have a situation where there was prior notice that Ukraine was being destabilized for the purposes of inserting a new leadership that would play puppet to the west, and J Kerry goes over there to declare victory.  Why am I not surprised?  Why is anyone not surprised?  Isn't this more of the same ol' bowl of soup warmed over?

Russia was completely justified in its response. 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 08:16 | 4515975 blindman
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the opportunist will always exploit the situation
to advance their agenda and avoid investigation
and discovery of the facts unless they can control
the process. think 9/11 ..etc ...
.
".. Revised Narrative

Yet, it has been the Post, Times and other U.S. news outlets which have led the way in developing a propaganda narrative at odds with the known reality. For instance, the violent February clashes in Kiev are now typically described as the Ukrainian police having killed some 80 protesters, though the original reporting had that death toll including 13 policemen and the fact that neo-Nazi militias were responsible for much of the violence, from hurling firebombs to shooting firearms.

That history is already fast disappearing as we saw in a typical New York Times report on Wednesday, which reported: “More than 80 protesters were shot to death by the police as an uprising spiraled out of control in mid-February.”

Those revised “facts” better fit the preferred narrative of innocent and peaceful demonstrators being set upon by thuggish police without provocation. But that isn’t what the original reporting revealed. Either the New York Times should explain how the earlier reporting was wrong or it should respect the more nuanced reality.

To do so, however, would undercut the desired narrative. So, it’s better to simply accuse anyone with a functioning memory of being “delusional.” The same with anyone who mentions the stunning hypocrisy of the U.S. government suddenly finding international law inviolable."
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Putin or Kerry: Who’s Delusional?
March 5, 2014
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/05/putin-or-kerry-whos-delusional/
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comment: somewhere in this ukraine story is a big pile of lying opportunism.
(hint: never trust the psychopathic, worm riddled nazi brain.) you would think
the new york times and washington d.c. would know that, but no, the neocons
and zionists love those guys for their work ethic.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 08:29 | 4516006 blindman
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Colored Revolutions: A New Form of Regime Change, Made in the USA
By Eva Golinger
Global Research, March 05, 2014
http://www.globalresearch.ca/colored-revolutions-a-new-form-of-regime-ch...
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"In 1983, the strategy of overthrowing inconvenient governments and calling it “democracy promotion” was born." ..e.g.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 08:59 | 4516099 Legolas
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Until I read this post, I listened in disbelief to Greg Mannarino  talk about how Putin is serious about dropping the dollar.  Amazing times we are llving in...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 00:46 | 4524254 headless blogger
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And there is always the possibility that the whole thing is part of a charade to give excuse to the dollar demise. I know that is actually conspiratorial but these Globalists plan a lot of things and I don't see why that couldn't be one of them.

They will NEVER let the dollar crash without some big excuse for why it happens, because it is going to bring devastation to the U.S and no politician would be left standing if the truth of why it crashes were out. They have had about 13 years now to install all the draconian police state measures (for when a "national emergency" happens), so they will just declare marshal law and dispense with the Constitution openly, and the United States will be open for Sale.

I really think we are going to see the end of the U.S. All the money and wealth has been being looted these last several years by the very people who planned it all.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:29 | 4516434 ProtectiveFather
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What a smoking gun! A functionary in Estonia makes a conveniently recorded call to Ashton and says "hey, I heard it was our guys." She says, "really? I haven't heard that. We should investigate that." And that's all the proof needed for many.

 

Propaganda is a hell of a drug, even when it comes from a good source like ZH.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:53 | 4516545 Againstthelie
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The Estonian ministry already admitted the phonecall is authentic.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:29 | 4516435 zionhead101
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Obama Order ASSET Seizure on anybody that didn't support CIA/AIPAC takeover of UKRAINE and/or murder, genocide, and slaughter as approved by zio-

Obama orders freeze on assets of people who impeded democracy in Ukraine Washington Post

President Obama on Thursday ordered assets frozen and U.S. visas blocked for all persons determined to have impeded democracy, contributed to violence or engaged in corruption in Ukraine.

An executive order he signed Thursday morning does not specify who is included in the order or whether it includes Russians in addition to Ukrainians. Obama asked the Treasury Department to implement the measure.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 10:30 | 4516443 zionhead101
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Satoshi BITCOIN founder found

The mysterious creator of Bitcoin, "Satoshi Nakamoto", has reportedly been unmasked as a 64-year-old father of six living near Los Angeles

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10680492/Has-Bitcoin-creator-...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 11:08 | 4516606 GIABO
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Another successfull revolution brought to you by George Soros and friends... Enjoy the show people.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:54 | 4518563 jackbooted gauleiter
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Given that the police could have simply moved on the protesters and ejected them from the square in Kiev, why would the government wish to snipe at them?

The allegation that it was the protest movement who were behind the sniping is consistent with this.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:55 | 4518565 jackbooted gauleiter
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Given that the police could have simply moved on the protesters and ejected them from the square in Kiev, why would the government wish to snipe at them?

The allegation that it was the protest movement who were behind the sniping is consistent with this.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:40 | 4519441 TweedleDeeDooDah
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I don't give much more than two cents to what most of the upper political figures in the Baltic republics say, particularly when they say things that lean things in Russia's favor....

Most of them are in the place where they are because they have been bought and paid for, twice, by forces in the Kremlin. Whether it's Estonia, Latvia, or even Lithuania, these political "elites" have the Kremlin's axe over their necks at any given time.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 00:36 | 4524233 headless blogger
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Ya, but you have to look at this in a little more complex way. You can't just pick through the little pieces and then discard stuff you don't like.

The clincher on this entire affair is that Victoria Nuland, who is the wife of NEO-CON Robert Kagan (Both Jewish Zionists and Kagan was big in the Bush administration, during the time the U.S. attacked our own people in 2001), were working this and now their friends have been appointed to lead Ukraine. Isn't that too ironic and coincidental?

The New PM is half Jewish and Pro Western Banking Cartel. Then they appointed the Billionaire Oligarchs, such as IGOR KOLOMOSKY, to govern the Eastern areas of Ukraine. IGOR KOLOMOSKY assets include BANKS, OIL, MASS MEDIA, FINANCE, AND MORE. IGOR KOLOMOSKY was a main funder and supporter of UDAR. He also operates out of Switzerland. That is just one of the people that is now in control of Ukraine. You should look up every person that has been installed to a power position.

You and everyone should be very worried. We have about 3 or 4 elite power groups that are now backed in corners. They are dangerous. All of them. This is the time when out of the blue A FALSE FLAG will happen. Notice how Israel is always silent and kept out of the news at these times. People should prepare and plan for another FALSE FLAG that the U.S., U.K., Israel, OR ALL 3 decide to pull. They could pull it off anywhere. And blame it on the latest enemy, Putin.

 

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