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Crimea May (Or May Not) Be Part Of Russia As Of This Moment
Moments ago, Reuters blasted the following headline:
DECREE MAKING CRIMEA PART OF RUSSIA HAS COME INTO FORCE FROM MOMENT OF ADOPTION; RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES ARE ONLY LEGITIMATE FORCES IN REGION -DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF CRIMEA
On the surface, this would mean that the Russian annexation of the Crimea if complete (and East Ukraine is coming). Especially when one considers that earlier Crimea also said it could adopt the Russian rouble as its currency and "nationalise" state property as part of plans to join the Russian Federation, a regional official was quoted as saying on Thursday.
The only problem as we reported earlier is that Kiev opened a criminal investigation against Crimean Prime Minister Sergei Askyonov, who was appointed by the region's parliament last week. The Ukrainian government does not recognise his authority or that of the parliament. In other words, Kiev will not respect the Crimea's popular choice, even if it is fully supported by Putin, which means that a showdown, one in which Russia proclaims it is defending the democracy of the Crimea against the Kiev government, is now almost inevitable.
Meanwhile, RT has decided to already add the region to Russian territory:
Russia Today has already changed their map... pic.twitter.com/wNJ4rWuf7K
— Dave Keating (@DaveKeating) March 6, 2014
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da da da da dahhhh, i'm lovin it.....
Thanks now i'm having a Big Mac Attack.
I love how the Ukrainian puppet government calls the Crimean puppet government illegitimate.
Fucking hypocrites.
What about our 2 party puppet system?
Booyeah, PMs vertical! Did we just send fighter jets to Poland? http://investmentwatchblog.com/u-s-sends-fighter-jets-to-poland-as-nato-...
Glad I bought yesterday:-)
Well lets scramble some crash test dummies and see if they are serious.
Yeah, but what does Cramer think?
Nato is going to act like Mr Tough guy expecting Putin to Fold, this is only poking the Bear in the Eye, they are screwing with the wrong person. I think their psychological profile of Putin is way off. Messing with the wrong guy.
California may or may not be part of Mexico at this moment.
Russian success, all without firing a shot.
Meanwhile an impotent President and administration continues to fumble around not knowing what to do when upstaged by Putin I meant to say fellow communist.
If Hillary is so smart and insightful why didn't she see this coming? Palin did and she didn't have the resources, intel, and staff Hillary had to keep an eye on this. Must be Hillary's new glasses interfered with her vision.
Thirty years ago the USSR basically controlled the entire Black Sea coast except for Turkey...
Fastforward to 2014, Putin's puppet in the Ukraine flees like a coward at the first sign of trouble. The Ukrainian economy is a basket case from 20+ years of incompetent kleptocracy...
Putin then clumsily handles some "military exercises", backs off when the Russian market crashes (hitting him and his oligarchs hard)...
The Crimea now apparently "secedes" from the Ukraine to join Russia leavng a region almost wholly depending on the Ukraine for food imports and the like...
All this to "secure" Sevastopol, the historic home of the Russian Black Sea Fleet since the time of Cathrine the Great... A place that was never under threat of being lost in the first place...
Yeah, you have a bizarre definition of success....
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Psst.. Didn't you see the ZH clip showing Russians soldiers firing warning shots??
Sheeeees Baaaaacck
And providing the most objective top-down commentary to be found here...
Thats a joke - I get it
The hypocrite meter is off the chart this week.
"Your non violent power grab is illegitimate, and is nothing like our violent power grab. Now kiss my feet."
"We will not recognize the legitimacy of a Crimean referendum” declared the unelected president of Ukraine.
Following the Crimean referendum Putin can point out that the political bodies in Crimea are all elected under a free and democratic process and are therefore legitimate, meanwhile the officials in Kiev…
Well they seized power in a violent coup de tat, and are obviously criminals by any sensible measure.
I'm no fan of Obama/Merkel, but I wouldn't exactly call bringing in troops "non-violent".
What's the death toll?
71 v's 0
I bet you that Obama/Kerry must be dreaming of sending their bombing drones to East Ukraines. These bastards enjoy killing inocent civilians. They can't wait to open another war field.
Russia keeps ~25,000 troops in Crimean bases as it is. No troops were "brought in", troops were simply sent out of the bases, and anything brought in from elsewhere was within the limits of the agreements. Which is why, the Russian parliament voted for authorization to send in the military, which would be MORE troops. There were reports of border crossings being secured and all that, but I failed to see a single report of borders being crossed en mass.
It is remarkable. For once I feel good about indifference.
Punch & Judy...
"I love how the Ukrainian puppet government calls the Crimean puppet government illegitimate.
Fucking hypocrites."
Now, the Crimean government together with the people to remain faithful to the Constitution and the President of Ukraine, should declare:
Ukraine - that's us! In Kiev and the west of the country - it is not Ukraine. In Kiev - it rebels and impostors. And as Ukraine, we will put things in Kiev constitutional order. All the rebels and impostors will be arrested and prosecuted. We will sent to Kiev, our real Ukraine army to suppress the rebellion and to punish those responsible.
Any citizen and officer who executes orders criminal rebels who declared himself ministers, deputies , prosecutors and presidents, will now be an accomplice of these criminals. We will arrest any accomplice of these criminals immediately. Because we - the legitimate authority of Ukraine. We declare a regime martial law. And we begin the operation to restore constitutional order in the entire territory of Ukraine !".
give me 20 across the board on putin.....
Kerry leading the charge of the Lightweight Brigade.
Plus One for historical reference, and plus another for geographical reference!
And +1 for predicting the outcome.
I was thinking ha ha ha ha ha, none the less funny shit! This man Putin is making us look so much like shit I'm sorry to say that all we can do is laugh, albeit lunatic laughter from such a ludacris spectacle!
what is hysterical is how the market pretended to care about this for 1 day.
"what is hysterical is how the market pretended to care about this for 1 day."
By the way, Russia bought for next to nothing all stock shares of Russian monopolies in Ukraine, when prices have collapsed.
It was a new Russian greetings for west banksters from Mr. Putin. LOL
Not to worry...The Big O is on top of it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/obama-russia-visa-restrictions_...
Nobodys paying attention to the lonely zero anymore. this is just the obligatory boiler plate sanction BS for "some"body.
As ZerO and the EurO's cobble together another closed door meeting to aSSertain just WTF is going on here...
Maybe the Russians could pull an Israeli mind fuck and just call all the Crimea a "settlement"
Another board member made a good point the other night. His thesis is that Obama is basically mentally ill and his "handlers" are just there to enable him. I think that's a fair assessment. Good as any others I've heard. If true, the FSA might be fooled, but other world leaders would not be.
Mentally ill - likely. The last one was retarded. Not sure which mental condition is more detrimental to a world leader, and the world.
It's time to quit lying to ourselves and admit we have a mentally ill president.
He suffers from delusions of grandeur - believing that all he has to do is wave his hand and it is now reality. King Canute is his role model.
This is the result of his pathological lying - he lies about anything and everything - telling the world whatever he wants it to believe regardless of the reality surrounding his pronouncements. He is increasingly disconnected from reality.
He is kept afloat by a tight circle of enablers who cover for him and spin his lies. But that is changing.
I am making this statement not to be mean, but rather because it is time to seriously consider that Barack Obama is not mentally healthy. I am saying this because he is continuing to run farther and farther away from reality in his actions, and believes that whatever he says – becomes the made-over reality that exists only in his mind.
Take his statement that "100-million" people have signed up for ObamaCare - that's nearly 1/3 of the entire 315-million person population of the US. It is a number that prima fascia is irrational.
But Obama stated it as a fact anyway to his Obamabots in Organizing for America. They showed their lack of rational relationship by accepting the number - regardless of its obvious irrational ability to be true. As an aside, it shows that these people are brain-dead, and just accept that whatever Obama says is the truth - with no rational vetting whatsoever.
That's truly scary.
But scarier still is this: NO ONE in the WH dared correct him. No statement came out saying so much as issuing the typical lame excuse that he "misspoke." Nothing. The WH enablers fell silent (as did the Looney Tunes Left MSM).
Why?
This is what makes their silence so scary: It means that the WH aides are at a point where they so fear the mad king's wrath that they will abandon reality for his irrational fantasies. They will no longer be a wall of reality constraining his thinking to the Real World.
In short, they are no longer Gatekeepers, but rather like “Alice in Wonderland,” they are the cards painting the roses red for the insane Queen of Hearts.
"She wanted white - then said what a fright, so now she's wants them red instead; we're painting the roses red, we're painting the roses red - we can't say no we won't, because if we don't, she'll want our heads instead! So we're painting the roses red . . ."
I realize that take from Alice in Wonderland goes over the heads - or should I say through the air-heads - of the Obamabots. But what do you expect from people who passively accept 100-million people being signed up for ObamaCare?
That is mental disconnect. That is insanity. That is Barack Obama.
Don't apologize for thinking him ill; he is ill.
And this latest exercise in waving his hand, and thinking that reality magically changes when he does, shows Barack Obama is disconnected from reality, and must be removed from office before his mental illness drives him to even more desperate, irrational thinking - and even more dangerous, irrational actions.
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credit: MarsinScorpio
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/hello-hillarycare-obamacare-dea...
What is going on is the neocons have been attacking all forms of whistle-blowing, dissent and thus free-speech itself is politicized, plus of late neocons are attacking all forms of skepticism, to try and paint it as an act of evil:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/03/the-silence-of-the-anti-defamation...
So they've imposed rule-by-decree, and now rule-by-fear, and that's why no one is speaking up, they're all too scared to show any sign that they can think independently, or that they might.
You can vote for Clinton next
Well thats it, problem solved, that was easy.
Not yet (or it's short form n'yet). Consider Reutschilders headline as just another propaganda outcry...
Unlike certain governments that let their sheep's silent voice be heard during (s)elections once in a while, the people of Crimea will decide about the political future of their Republic by themselves, in a referendum about to take place on the 16th of March.
So "the people" have spoken through their "representatives", and now it is "legitimate", as the West surely will acknowledge, being the arbiters of all that is "legitimate"...
I'd feel better if there was an actual popular vote in support of the measure. Do the Crimeans trust their "representatives" any more than anyone else (with at least two functioning brain cells)? That said, the Axis of Evil is getting its self righteous ass handed to it politically.
The vote is still scheduled for March 16th, that hasn't changed as of yet.
Given time, anything's possible of course.
I said a couple of days ago Washington was going to look weaker and weaker, and Europe was going to look feeble and nervous. They tried, they lost, and now all of Ukraine will pay the heavy price due to a primarily foreign-funded pro-EU (debt-empire) rabble and armed provocateurs. Brussels and Washington deserve harsh condemnation for their roles in producing this perilous abominable imbroglio.
Interesting idea..wonder if California can vote to become Mexico..or Texas its own country..blue vs red states...could get interesting...
Of course California and Texas can vote to secede, but like the last time states voted to leave, the only thing that matters is who has the most guns and people to use them effectively.
The West really screwed the pooch on this one..
+1
Copulating with the canine, what a novel modernday method of managing foreign policy...
DaddyO
SO the criminals who took Kiev by force launch a criminal investigation against someone who is actually representing what the people want. These new guys got into the USA psycopaths way of thinking fast, didn't they?
These new guys got into the USA psycopaths way of thinking fast, didn't they?
That is how they knew they could "work with" them. "You are just the kind of people we've been looking for."
In other words, Kiev will not respect the Crimea's popular choice, even if it is fully supported by Putin, which means that a showdown...
Go ahead Kiev, invade Crimea (Russia). Put John Kerry in a swift boat and let him lead the charge.
SSHHH,
Don't tell Horsesass about the history of charges in Crimea.
Charge of the Gay brigades!
We could also put George W. Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard to use, along with Dick Cheney and his five deferments from Viet Nam.
What a trio that would be!
Those guys have no freakin' chance on the battlefield without the Vietnam war hero John McStain.
Name the squad 'Inglorious Bastards'...
three more purple hearts without a day in the infirmary
At least Kerry got Western Ukraine with all thse neo nazies, 1/2 of something is better then all of nothing.
Actually I think they (US taxpayer) got ALL the debt.
Clinton is risking a big lip at the moment. Well, easy for her, she has no official function! Hahahaa.
Strangely, nobody is bringing up the US invasion of Grenada which is more or less the EXACT same thing that Russia is now doing.
Everything in the Matrix repeats itself.
Ya know, there's a lot of Americans living in Belize. I just had an idea!
we have less claim to puerto rico....just sayin
They are nationalizing state property, bet you anything there are a bunch of real sour oligarch faces in the Synagogues of Kiev. There go their multi million dollar Crimean, the Pearl of the Black Sea, Getaways purchased with stolen state funds from the last US led color revolutions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCt03sFdvg
here is a Russian girl showing around part of the Peninsula, she has NICE legs sorry for the spoiler :))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f1pBHEbzu0
Putin wrestles tigers and Obama wears mommy pants. The U.S. Appears to be taking another beating in front of a global audience. This is not over, the shellacking will continue. Let's hope the continuing beat down doesn't cost us something serious like the petro dollar system. Russia is arguably the largest exporter of oil and natural gas. We might get more then we bargained for.
with these assclown leaders who needs enemies
Exactly! And were talking sanctions! Insanity at it's best.
If the majority of the people in this territory agree to this, how is it not a "democratic" decision.
Does no one else see the hypocrisy coming out of the U.S.S.A.?
We stand for "freedom and democracy", unless of course it goes against our imperialist/liberal/socialist agenda of course. What the fuck?
Can Chechnya vote too?
What about Montana? Can they leave the US if they vote on it?
It is far more complicated than a vote. The problem with this whole clusterfuck is no one has any legitimacy.
the west has repeatedly told the whole world: let the ukrainians decide for themselves.
now they do, region by region, so what's the fucking problem?
People define boarders, not the other way around dipshit.
It's been this way for a very long time.
You want to talk about "legitamacy" after all the fraud and theft that has been occuring since 2008 and perpetuated by oligarchs in the E.U., IMF, and U.S.S.A. (All who have become very wealthy in the process).
The answer to your question is yes, I would not be surprised to see Texas, Montana, Utah, Arizona, etc. tell the U.S.S.A to fuck off as well.
But a referendum would solve the legitimacy issue, wouldn't it? I mean how much more legitimate can you go than a referendum?
Power comes from the barrel of gun. You can use ballots for the small stuff if everyone agrees to respect the outcome.
Who decides who has legitimacy?
"Who decides who has legitimacy?"
EuNATO. Only.
Short memory's.
and now the goons in kiev will hurridly sign the assimilation agreement with the EU, thus bringing a country on the verge of civil war to the union. this will get interesting!
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , must declare themselves as legitimate representatives of the Ukrainian state .
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should declare that Ukraine was split into two parts , after the criminal , fascist , an armed coup in Kiev.
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine, should declare that any negotiations with the government in the face of rebel Ukraine in Kiev - is illegal.
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should declare that any agreement with Ukraine, which have been or will be signed by the rebels and criminal impostors in Kiev, are illegitimate and, therefore , does not entail any legal consequences.
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should declare that after the revolution, only they are - the legal government power of Ukraine . And only they have the right to conduct any negotiations and sign any documents on behalf of the state of Ukraine . But not rebels in Kiev.
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should declare that they will put things in Kiev and throughout the country , the constitutional order .
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should declare that all the rebels and their accomplices , as well as their supporters , will soon be arrested and brought to justice.
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should apply to a law firm with a worldwide reputation . They have to order a legal examination of crimes committed by the rebels , from the point of view of the laws of Ukraine and International law.
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine , should initiate criminal cases against all criminal rebels in Kiev, who now call themselves " ministers, deputies and presidents " of Ukraine .
Crimea, south and east of Ukraine, must announced an international search for each of and every criminal rebel accomplice criminals of Kiev.
I think its NATO membershio which will get discussed first...
When the dust settles you follow the country that controls your energy. Russia has the energy. The E.U. will not go against the interests of Russia when the stakes are this high. The U.S. Has the dollar which we debase on a monthly basis. China is also at odds with the U.S. In the South China sea and we have provoked them by supporting Japan. Russia whipped our ass in Syria, and now the Ukraine. American companies like Smithfield farms, and IBM, selling off to China. Hard to believe all that pork will go to China especially when there is a huge drought in California. I guess we'd better prepare for our new role in the world order.
This is definitely the best time to buy the all time high. I know a good deal when I hear about it on CNBC.
Ballots are used instead of bullets until the election process is corrupted. Then bullets are used again. The people rigging elections in the USA and feeding us obvious, morons, criminals, traitors, stooges and puppets should take note.
Once the second round of sanctions by the USA begins Russia will price its energy exports in Euros.
or gold, or in the currency of any productive trading partner (pssst, they have already been doing this since 2010).
Saw ON RT: Washington imposes visa restrictions on some russian and crimean officials...
Looks like the stupid sanctions have started...
I am very afraid of coming provocations and multiple casus belli since this moment.
It can threw us all into the Last 12-minutes War. We are very close. And nobody will ask us whether they have a right to push this button
The Ukrainians have every reason to hate the Russians yet they can't bear to be parted. Oh wait they do hate the Russians. But borders once drawn are sacred unless they aren't like Kosovo or US-Mexico.
Wars have been fought with far far less provocation than the activities that have gone on at the US-Mexican border. In fact the US has fought a war based on maybe 1% of the provocation compared to the Mexican border. Remember Panama? Oh wait Panama isn't on the border it's hundreds of miles south.
The sacred totems of the nation state are mysterious and flexible. They aren't hobbled by small minded adherence to logic or consistency. And why wouldn't Russians want to be part of a failed state where the majority hates them? What could go wrong? And besides the Ukrainians new western sugar daddies may not be willing to give them as much if they aren't getting power over Russia.
Simply no. They do not, except very little part of "zapadentsy" ("westerners") and new so-called government
The U.S. Owns and controls the dollar system. I am sure that American financial institutions are attacking the Russian system as I write this. I am no financial analyst, but what could / would Russia do if push comes to shove? Would they price their oil in Yuan or Euro? How about back it by gold and sell their oil for gold ? Would the Russians do that? As an exporter don't you want something of value for your products, especially if you know it would cut the nuts off your enemy? Would China follow? The Russians launched a test ICBM a couple days ago. They are playing hard ball with our community organizer and chief. I don't think the end game ends with the Ukraine.
The number of things they could do to seriously undermine the west is large, I can think of several beauties that that can be done by proxies.
It costs nothing to rattle a sword as long as you're prepared to drop it at the first hint of spine in the vicinity. Cite: Kerry (twice now)
Have no fear, Vallery Jarret and David Axlerod are working diligently to pen a bunch of mealy mouthed drivel for Kenyan Teleprompter Hour. Soothing platitudes and implied empathy shall placate the sheep. The next speech should be particularly moving, lots of "Let me be clear." Putin better watch out, there me even be some *(bang hands on podium for effect)* followed by *(dramatic pause)*
BREAKING!
Russia Today reports that the (self proclaimed) government in Kiev is reportedly planning to cut pensions by 50 percent as part of unprecedented austerity measures to save Ukraine from default!!
Great... they are such fools. You ain't seen nothing yet till you seen a babushka revolution. They will beat to a pulp the ball sacks off of those neo nazi pricks in Kiev eating kosher food with their Klitschy friends. A babushka is to be feared more than an M1 tank.
Why did the babushkas let it come to this?
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Meanwhile, RT has decided to already add the region to Russian territory:
I'm getting a "Sorry, that page doesn't exist." when I try the link for the map.
Anybody else? Or, does somebody have a different link, maybe?
http://www.businessinsider.com/rt-map-with-crimea-as-part-of-russia-2014-3
Thanks "Agent"83_vf_1100_c for the link. [I really can't believe I'm saying that about a link to BI!?!]
But following your link puts it in perspective somewhat, essentially RT presented what Russia's map WOULD LOOK LIKE IF one were to include the Crimea, and some people(including ZH interns) didn't like RT keping THAT map as their background image as long as they did.
Spoiled sports; I do believe.
Crimea belongs to Russia ... as
Belgium belongs to the Netherlands ...
and the US does not even exists <);o)
When the Germans were reunited, the whole of Europe applauded.
But when Russians want reunited, Europe and US to spit bile.