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Crimea Parliament "Accelerates Crisis", Votes To Join Russia
While the world is convinced that Putin's Tuesday press conference was an admission of blinking to the west, the reality is anything but that, and hours ago Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days on the decision in what Reuters said is a "a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula." To be sure, the Crimea - which has an ethnic Russian majority - affiliation to Moscow as opposed to Kiev is well-known, yet still the sudden acceleration of moves to bring Crimea formally under Moscow's rule came as European Union leaders gathered for an emergency summit to seek ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation. And now all Putin has to do is sit back and say the people have spoken and without spilling a drop of blood has effectively split the country in two parts, with the entire east of Ukraine, where pro-Russian sentiment also runs high - sure to follow Crimea. Just as we said from the very beginning.
From Reuters:
The Crimean parliament voted unanimously "to enter into the Russian Federation with the rights of a subject of the Russian Federation". The vice premier of Crimea, home to Russia's Black Sea military base in Sevastopol, said a referendum on the status would take place on March 16. The announcement, which diplomats said could not have been made without Russian President Vladimir Putin's approval, raised the stakes in the most serious east-west confrontation since the end of the Cold War.
Far from seeking a diplomatic way out, Putin appears to have chosen to create facts on the ground before the West can agree on more than token action against him.
EU leaders had been set to warn but not sanction Russia over its military intervention after Moscow rebuffed Western diplomatic efforts to persuade it to pull forces in Crimea, with a population of about 2 million, back to their bases. It was not immediately clear what impact the Crimean moves would have.
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said in a Twitter message: "We stand by a united and inclusive #Ukraine."
French President Francois Hollande told reporters on arrival at the summit: "There will be the strongest possible pressure on Russia to begin lowering the tension and in the pressure there is, of course, eventual recourse to sanctions."
To be sure, the new Kiev government - which may or may not have killed its own citizens in order to rise to power while blaming the atrocities on Yanukovich as described yesterday - has responded in kind to how Putin views them, and declared the referendum illegal and opened a criminal investigation against Crimean Prime Minister Sergei Askyonov, who was appointed by the region's parliament last week. The Ukrainian government does not recognise his authority or that of the parliament. Still, it is by now far too late for Kiev to enforce its will in Crimea.
In the meantime, and confirming that Putin has all the cards, EU leaders had been set to warn but not sanction Russia over its military intervention in Ukraine after Moscow rebuffed Western diplomatic efforts to persuade it to pull forces in Crimea back to their bases. According to EU sources the leaders gathered in Brussels delayed the discussion on sanctions to Russia to a new meeting in two weeks. As we stated yesterday, due to stern German industrial lobby objection, Europe will never implement full blown sanctions and at best will stick to some optical wristslap which has no real adverse impact on Russia.
But back to the Crimea, where a parliament official said voters will be asked two questions: should Crimea be part of the Russian Federation and should Crimea return to an earlier constitution (1992) that gave the region more autonomy?
"If there weren't constant threats from the current illegal Ukrainian authorities, maybe we would have taken a different path," deputy parliament speaker Sergei Tsekov told reporters outside the parliament building in Crimea's main city of Simferopol.
"I think there was an annexation of Crimea by Ukraine, if we are going to call things by their name. Because of this mood and feeling we took the decision to join Russia. I think we will feel much more comfortable there."
All the while, Europe is engaged in idiotic meetings and summits, spearheaded by John Kerry, who was quick to point out how constructive the meeting has been. Perhaps it would have been more so if Russia had participated:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov refused to meet his new Ukrainian counterpart or to launch a "contact group" to seek a solution to the crisis at talks in Paris on Wednesday despite arm-twisting by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and European colleagues. The two men will meet again in Rome on Thursday.
Tension was high in Crimea after a senior United Nations envoy was surrounded by a pro-Russian crowd, threatened and forced to get back on his plane and leave the country on Wednesday.
The EU summit in Brussels seemed unlikely to adopt more than symbolic measures against Europe's biggest gas supplier, because neither industrial powerhouse Germany nor financial centre Britain is keen to start down that road.
The short, informal EU summit will mostly be dedicated to displaying support for Ukraine's new pro-Western government, represented by Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk, who will attend even though Kiev is neither an EU member nor a recognised candidate for membership.
After meeting European Parliament President Martin Schulz, Yatseniuk appealed to Russia to respond to mediation efforts.
After a day of high-stakes diplomacy in Paris on Wednesday, Lavrov refused to talk to Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchitsya, whose new government is not recognised by Moscow.
As he left the French Foreign Ministry, Lavrov was asked if he had met his Ukrainian counterpart. "Who is that?" the Russian minister asked.
He stuck to Putin's line - ridiculed by the West - that Moscow does not command the troops without national insignia which have taken control of Crimea, besieging Ukrainian forces, and hence cannot order them back to bases.
Kerry said afterwards he had never expected to get Lavrov and Deshchitsya into the same room right away, but diplomats said France and Germany had tried to achieve that.
Western diplomats said there was still hope that once Lavrov had reported back to Putin, Russia would accept the idea of a "contact group" involving both Moscow and Kiev as well as the United States and European powers to seek a solution.
Keep hoping. In the meantime, with each passing day, Putin consolidates his new territory even as the west dithers, Europe is unable to obtain the bailout loans it has promised Ukraine, and Kerry keeps talking.
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I guess that 'false flag' event is in train then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-5ZYys68DA
Good! And so should the rest of Western Ukraine and be done with this shit.
These western straight A students just have no commen sense what's so ever, Matter of fact, they are completely insane.
“Another threat, less overt but no less basic, confronts liberal democracy. More directly linked to the impact of technology, it involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific knowhow. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Under such circumstances, the scientific and technological momentum of the country would not be reversed but would actually feed on the situation it exploits.
… Persisting social crisis, the emergence of a charismatic personality, and the exploitation of mass media to obtain public confidence would be the steppingstones in the piecemeal transformation of the United States into a highly controlled society.”
? Zbigniew Brzezinski
sometimes zbig seems on the money, as above.
other times not so much:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ukraine-Vladimir-Putin-Rick-Stengel-Zbi...
How on earth can the West oppose this?
Self determination? Democracy? Non-violent?
Check, check, check. Look at the first paragraph of the UN Charter and the right to self-determination. It's the most supreme legal document on earth, in theory.
Our leadership in the West has been skin crawlingly hypocritical of this whole affair in Ukrain and once again Putin pulls another rabbit out of a hat.
Que John "nobody in the 21st century invades other countries on trumped up charges, what's an Iraq" Kerry, to claim black is white, and that somehow a bloodless and democratic process following the legal rights defined in the UN Charter are somehow an outrage.
Come back George W all is forgiven. This is just embarrassing.
The mouthpieces of the Z empire trumpet free elections and national sovereignty when it's favourable to their puppet-masters, but oppose it aggressively in other cases. To wit:
Guest what the results would have been.
shhhh .. don't tell the leftist-lib trendies on reddit. They seem to like forgetting about '7 countries in five years' and clinging to the Obama 'hope' theme.
talk about bitter-clingers..
Annexed bitchez!
Democracy in action. The people have spoken. America will be so happy. Maybe the rest of Eastern Ukraine will do the same.
"spearheaded by the idiot, narcissi, gold-digger John Kerry, who has yet to accomplish anything as Secretary of State except make a fool of himself and allow Putin to achieve one victory after another . . . "
There, fixed it for you.
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As I commented before, Russia should forgive the proportional debt of eastern Ukraine and raise the gas prices on western Ukraine (and Europe).
If the US/EU wants to make a stink, Tit for Tat is the best strategy for Russia.
In the Kremlin, the Russian keader sits
Giving western leaders headaches & fits
If he traveled to France
Did a hotel rooftop dance
Would folks say "Hey, there's Putin on the Ritz."
Forgive Debt!!! Ohh that's rich! .....Forgive debt..... That'll be cracking me up the rest of the day...... He thought they should forgive debt....... HAHAHA..... Ohhh, just think of it... A Zionist.... FORGIVING debt!!!!....... BWHAHAHAHA......I'm gonna piss my pants....
How the hell do you keep them a slave, when they don't owe you anything?
BANKER SUICIDE??? WATCH
Bitcoin firm CEO found dead in suspected suicide
It appears bitcoin’s recent turmoil has claimed its first life.
Autumn Ratke a 28-year-old American CEO of bitcoin exchange firm First Meta was found dead in her Singapore apartment on Feb. 28.
BREAKING: Satoshi Nakamoto, the mystery man behind bitcoin, finally located
Local media are calling it a suicide, but Singapore officials are waiting for toxicology test results. Ratke formerly worked with Apple and other Silicon Valley tech firms on developing digital payment systems.
"The First Meta team is shocked and saddened by the tragic loss of our friend and CEO Autumn Radtke."
- Statement on First Meta website
Ratke’s death brings the number of questionable financial sector deaths this year to eight. On Feb. 18 a 33-year-old JPMorgan finance pro leaped to his death the roof of the JPMorgan’s 30-story Hong Kong office tower.
Li Junjie’s suicide marked the third mysterious death of a JPMorgan banker. So far, there is no other known link between any of the deaths.
Gabriel Magee, 39, a vice president with the JPMorgan’s corporate and investment bank technology arm in the UK, also jumped to his death from the roof of the bank’s 33-story Canary Wharf tower in London on Jan. 28.
On Feb. 3, Ryan Henry Crane, 37, a JPM executive director who worked in New York, was found dead inside his Stamford, Conn., home.
A cause of death in Crane’s case has not be determined until a toxicology report is complete, according to a spokesperson for the Stamford detectives division.
The report is expected within two weeks.
Yes, the suppression and out right denial by the American oligarchs, even some generals who admitted to helping craft the "7 countries in fives years plan", has been pretty astonishing. They stamped that fire out pretty quickly. Amazing how close to that Orwellian society we continue to become.
Just surfed out to Bloomberg and CNBC front pages. Nowhere did I see coverage of this story. Wow.
Not seeing it on Fox online either. Don't know if TV is covering. Awful big news to be covered by Reuters only.
Yet another example of blowback to the Neocons' machinations. This will all end up strengthening Russia rather than weakening it. As usual the country at the center of the petri dish, Ukraine in this instance, will end up devastated.
Its just a variation of the 'Dutch Disease', nothing to worry about. If your country finds itself with vast precious metals, it will turn out to be a 'mixed' blessing for said country (see South Africa, Boer War, 1899-1902).
If your country finds itself strategically located, such that natural gas and ICBMS must transit said country, while at the same time providing a crucial buffer zone, it will turn out to be a 'mixed' blessing... see Ukraine 2014.
This "accelerates" nothing. Everything will continue to go just as fast as Putin wants, and in the direction he wants.
I sensed the Propaganda War against Putin and Russia starting after the Syrian debacle, and well before Sochi:
> Obama's pro-gay stance wrt Olympics, and his refusal to attend.
> Hollywood and its Nighttime talk-show hosts doing Russia-bashing (Falin, Kimmel, Letterman - all Club members)
> MSM/TV talking heads getting on board
This amounts to what is called "PR Mobbing", or "Mobbing" for short.
This has only intensified during and since Sochi. Kimmel made part of his nightly routine to do comic Sochi-bashing. (There's a PR moral in there for the rest of us: If you use the right language and humor, you can tear down anyone in a sustained campaign of slander/mobbing).
AIPAC* and it parent company (Knesset Neocons) could not ask for more, nor could Bibi (NuttyNYahoo). I will get to this in another post, but I can see how a 'Crisis' in a place like Ukraine (not "the Ukraine") creates a big distraction from mounting problems of International Sanctions against Bibi/Israel for its non-compliance to international will in regards to Palestinians.
* look up "AZC lobby" and find out about AIPAC's roots as a "Foreign Agent" that refused to register as such with the US Gov in the JFK era., and how it now controls/dominates US Foreign Policy.
Add to this the presence of ex-IDF forces** in Kiev, and the appointment of billionaire Ukrainian oligarchs in Eastern Urkaine, whose roots/heritage 'align' with Bibi's, and you get a rather troubling composite of Too Many 'Coincidences'. If you're the sort who like to see facts and the world as it IS, not as we wish them to be.
** http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/03/01/ex-idf-soldier-leads-kiev-street-fi...
Keep Clarity, stay Focused on the NWO Big Game (Global Full-Spectrum Domination via fiat King Dollar, Lobby groups, PR machines & MSM & NGOs, the MIC & Mercs)
I was watching the morning crap on TV cause of my wife and they have Hillary on saying Putin is a tough guy with thin skin and I said well at least the is not a weak Hag with Thick skin lol
Anyways then they were yapping on how US intelligence was weak on not knowing Putin's reaction. So lame, what do you expect when you poke a bear in the eye with your finger.
I hope Odessa and the Eastern Regions go with Russia for an in your face Lurch and Obummer moment.
They were also yapping on how Russia should follow international treaties and laws blah blah blah, are these morons on crack, the whole world has seen the US break the UN charter by invading countries with the you are our slave or you are against us until we make you our slave motto. I would say Putin has made it his point to follow international treaties to the letter as he has shown the hypocrisy of DC
Game, set , match.
Move along folks , nothing to see here.
Well, Europe gets Chernobyl along with the rest of the poor part of the country, and Vlad gets his crown jewel, Crimea and Eastern Ukraine
LOL.
Well played, obama. Seriously, how can you not like Putin's skillz.
Ahh dont get me started again, the PEARL of the Black Sea, Crimeaaaah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCt03sFdvg
here is a Russian girl showing around part of the Peninsula, she has NICE legs sorry for the spoiler :))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f1pBHEbzu0
I actually think she is NICE period. Doll her up and she is smokin.
Don't even need to doll her up. That accent is smokin' hot.
Thanks for this. If the west doesn't start WWIII over this it looks like a nice place to go on vacation.... wife and kiddies agree.
No problem Jreb, if things cool down from Crimea you can go down to Sochi and right next door to Sochi is another Gem called Sukhumi in Abkhazia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ajCbG4tNU
Its much smaller than Crimea but still quite lovely, and your money will go very far there.
Or you can go the other way, to Moldova... Land of Blondes, much like Ukraine.
I dont know Herd, Moldova does not have the coastline or the majestic mountains you find in Crimea, or the even taller mountains and coastline of Sukhumi and Sochi with their Caucus mts (Taller than the Alps, highest Mt peak in Europe is in the Caucus mountains Mt Elbrus, Russia). I would pass on Moldova even though the girls are nice, you can find just as nice girls and better scenery in those other places. Moldova is either flat or rolling hills, definitely no mountains, and like I said it has no coastline :(
The girls are Hot all over Europe.
Already married a hot blonde (natural too!). Just looking for some place warm and reasonably priced.
None of this would have happened if the witch Nuland and her masters hadn't paid and train the neo-Nazis to violently overthrow the elected Ukrainian government.
This was a monumental F*ck-up.
It is likely that pro-EU parties would have won the elections that were set for 2015. And Russia would not have taken military action in that event.
Legacy of ashes.
"Game, set , match. Move along folks, nothing to see"
Game set and match for who??? The western empire has just swallowed another piece of the Soviet Union. Mission accomplished! Everyone see Putin's aggression or genius in the Crimea whereas it is really a defensive move to not lose the whole Ukraine. Pretty sure Nuland gets a big juicy promotion - maybe a Chair at Harvard.
The anglo-american psychopaths have supported 'democracy' as a tool for manipulation of the public for a long time - with the modern sophisticated version going back to Bernays and WW1. (Rather than a limited central government in a republic of states, which protects individual human rights instead of global empire.) Its quite inconvenient for them when the vote doesn't turn out as they planned. It seems that human beings aren't always the easily programmed robots that they would like them to be.
It's the L empire, get it right.
You didn't mention the topics, where no even referendums or even discussions are allowed, but politics contrary to the majority's opinion is practized:
Germany: lose their Deutschmark, without being asked
ZOGs worldwide: genocide by colord mass immigration
ZOGs worldwide: war's for foreign interests
ZOGs worldwide: destruction of the traditional family
ZOGs worldwide: sexualization of children
ZOGs worldwide: gay marriage
ZOGs worldwide: feminism
ZOGs worldwide: gender mainstreaming
ZOGs worldwide: political "correctness"
ZOGs worldwide: GMO
ZOGs worldwide: supporting NWO
ZOGs worldwide: trillions of money for rescueing the banking cabal
Hey bro, sorry for late response.
Hit on MY ACCOUNT and type in my entire name under 'Follow this user's comment'.
And go to 2/27/2014 15:03 msg (4485963)
Emily Goodman, Wendy Kong? I don't get it.
Oh sorry dude, the message above that one on the list #4485993
I'll have to consult the internet to clarify ZOGs, and just found out the wiki's unwelcome narrative... it's pretty obvious they disdain the term ZOG... lol...
nonetheless they define it pretty well: "ZOG is an antisemitic conspiracy theory that holds that Jews secretly control a given country, while the formal government is a puppet regime" <Thumbs-up>
Zionist Occupation Government or Zionist Occupied Government (abbreviated as ZOG) is an antisemitic conspiracy theory that holds that Jews secretly control a given country, while the formal government is a puppet regime.[1]
The expression is used by antisemitic groups such as white supremacists in the United States[2][3][4][5][6][7] and Europe,[8] ultra-nationalists such as Pamyat in Russia, and various far-right groups, including some in Poland.[9]
The word "Zionist" in "Zionist Occupation Government" should not be confused with the ideology of Zionism, the movement for support of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel. As the conspiracy theorists chiefly name countries outside that area, the usage of Zionist in this context is misleading, and intended to portray Jews as conspirators who aim to control the world,[2] as in the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[10]
mass programming on all the statist networks have the confirmation bias in full motion.
more confirmation bias on my behalf that we, as a nation, are totally fucked. when the majority can not see what you post to be truths, i really see no fight to fight. so uphill i'm looking to the universe, laying on my back, wishing it was all just a bad dream...
dum vita est spes est
While there's life, there's hope
Dum spiro spero
Ditto
A few days ago I had some very frustrated feelings while watching a video about Ukraine and how the ZOGs are spreading their poison and lies and the masses have no clue how they were manipulated against each other. After this video a quite funny advertisement spot with happy people was transmitted. It made me laugh and I noticed how it immediately had raised my mood.
And suddenly I understood: advertisements in this regime work the same way like positive propaganda in dictatorships! We are bombarded 24/7 with shiny happy people being glad and in our subconsciousness it is injected how happy everyone was! Almost every second the TV is switched on, every meter walked on the street: everywhere, 24/7 happy, smiling people. Btw: on the media only. But not in reality.
I can highly recommend to anyone to observe yourself the next time, you see something very frustrating on TV and then observe yourself how a nice advertisement immediately can raise your mood. Not while you analyze it or think about it later, but in the very moment it happens before you begin to analyze it.
The impact on the subconsciousness of this permanent positive propaganda must be HUUUGE. And since it seems not at all politically related to the regime, people will NEVER recognize, that this is a very effective form of propaganda to raise the mood of the masses subconsciously for this regime.
And that is why ZH and the ZH cynical approach combined with humour is so effective and necessary in order to change minds and, ultimately, effect change.
How many times do you read a ZH article, realize our situation is completely fucked up, but laugh it off and just resolve yourself that you're going to start to make little changes in your life which may lead to bigger changes when the opportunity arises.
We're all fucked, but at least we can feel OK about it. Otherwise, we'd be nailgunning ourselves.
Actually, I recommend watching TV from another country, preferably India or China, to see how ineffective their marketing is ON YOU. But it works in that market. And then compare and contrast. Basically, our commercials (in the West) are more subtle, while the Chinese & Indian ones are still very much about noise, flashes of color, catchy themes (if Bollywood is your thing).
In the West, our commercials instill consumerism, and the idea that a product can produce a 'solution', a state of mind, an upgrade to one's social status, etc.
Does this mean that Chechnya will vote to secede from Russia?
Chechnya is about as criminal as DC, lets see the Chechans have managed to invade an elementary school that resulted in 300 some odd little kids dead (DC also drones little kids). They bomb buses, and attack innocent people in movie theatres and hospitals (DC has bombed buses in Serbia with innocent civillians). When they were left alone and had a chance to make a country they degenerated into their tribal culture and became a criminal base as Kosovo did, and also started to export fundametalist islamic terrorism and attacked Russian states with a terror campaign (1000s of Chechen combatants attacking Dagestan). Ok so the Russians roll in and put them under check to prevent thousands of Russian civillian deaths. Tell you what if Chechnya is your next door neighbor in your hood you can let them vote to secede like they did the first time but be prepared for a Chechen islamic terrorist invasion of your house. They had a chance to be peaceful I would say they got off rather easily by not being bombed to oblivion the second time around. If you like your Boston Marathons you can keep your Boston Marathons just make sure you don't have any Chechens on vacation there.
You've got the order of events - and thus causality - completely arse over tit.
Russia had slaughtered tens of thousands of Chechens before the blowback came home and the Chechen terrorists invaded the elementary school.... which was an atrocity, but it certainly wasn't the first atrocity in the Russian vs Chechen story.
Jim the Chechens had claimed they wanted to create and Islamic Caliphate out of all the muslim Russian peoples. How would you feel if Saudi Arabia wanted to create a Islamic Caliphate with the muslims in the USA and establish Sharia law in all of the USA after conquering it via a violent terrorist campaign. Lets face it the moderate Arabs or liberal Arabs are not as fervent to take a Gun or suicide jacket and fight for Islam, so they are easily conquered by their more violent elements who then radicalize the population after a few years as they indoctrinate the kids. All is fine and dandy as to who started what but the endgame is very straightforward. Look at the Boston Marathon, look at the bombings in Spain and London etc...Did the USA not go into Afghanistan and taken over the country to hunt down the Islamic terrorists who called for the destruction of the USA, how is Russia any different as its hunting down for Chechen extremists who have killed innocent Russian civillians. And we can ask where does the funding come from. Is it only Saudi Arabia or is the USA using Islam to destabilize Russias borders. Maybe the Boston bombings were Payback is a Bitch, considering Al CIADA has been fighting at times for the USA. Maybe the Russians went in there to begin with because back in the days the Chechens were actively trying to expand their borders and kick out Orthodox peoples living in the Caucasus like in North Ossetia where Beslan the elementary school was located. And it was not just Orthodox peoples the Chechens were aggressively pushing out or trying to conquer Tatar peoples that were living in the lowlands and who though muslim have no cultural ties to the Chechens. And muslim tatar and orthodox peoples get along quite well in Russian states all over the country and intermarry, Putins girlfriend is a lady whose father is muslim Tatar and mother is slavic orthodox, and there are slavic muslims and tatar orthodox peoples also. Look at the combined populations in Ufa and Kazan and many other cities in Russia that live very peacefully. The problem is that there are certain peoples that have a very aggressive attitude, be they dual citizens of the USA in govt positions, or in the holy land, or other semites like the Saudis, that seek to enslave people so that they can be in charge. The Saudis like to be in charge of holy sites and of Islam and want a strict Islam all over the world. The dual citizen types want to be in charge so they can make more money on the international scene not through spread of their religion but through control of international institutions like IMF etc. It certainly seems to be that on the world scene many problems and deaths of innocents can be traced to two Semetic tribes, the Jews and the Saudis, and some people say that they may be even the same clan. Think if there were no Saudis and their funding of Wahabbi schools all over the muslim world radicalizing youths, or Jew financiers making money off of funding wars or ripping off a country of its resources etc via IMF or via its network of crooked Oligarchs (most of the original oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine were and probably still are Jews; isn't dual citizen Nuland financing Nazis in Ukraine against Russians a replay of WW2) the world would be a better place. Not to say there are no decent and honest Saudi's and Jews (certainly many very cool Arab and Jewish artists, musicians, and scientists throughout the ages), but it is certainly apparent there is a lot of filth that rises to the top of these two Semetic tribes or Tribe (perhaps it is the ones that take certain teachings to heart). One more thing from the Chechens I have talked to they pride themselves on descending from the ancient Summerians which are Semites. So one has to ask why are the Semites so Anti-IndoEuropean or Anti-Turkic etc. Again just look at their texts. There is a jewish proverb that says "Always Take", note it doesnt limit one to just money but it could also certainly include life or liberty.
http://iamthewitness.com/Ukraine.html
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/155976/ukraines-wester...
Jim the Chechens had claimed they wanted to create and Islamic Caliphate out of all the muslim Russian peoples. How would you feel if Saudi Arabia wanted to create a Islamic Caliphate with the muslims in the USA and establish Sharia law in all of the USA after conquering it via a violent terrorist campaign.
How is the Chechens fighting to secede - and, indeed, wanting to set up an Islamic state in the seceded territories - even ROUGHLY comparable to 'Saudi Arabia [wanting] to create a Islamic Caliphate with the muslims in the USA and establish Sharia law in all of the USA after conquering it via a violent terrorist campaign'?
And can you at least show us the courtesy of formatting your word and logic salad into paragraphs to make it vaguely readable?
Sorry I was eating and not paying attention to literary etiquette. A better example would of been Europe which has more proximity to Middle East and larger muslim populations. Sure I like your logic what is to stop my neighbor from spreading his garden and taking over my back yard because he feels its his duty to spread his rose bushes across the fence. By the way rose hips are very tastey and make excellent jam, very popular in Middle East. You should try it as you read your new sharia law code coming soon to your neighborhood lol.
It voted several times and not via referendum, but via armed rebellion. Didn't end well for some. Now, recognizing Kosovo as independent state based on the people's rights for self-determination is how different from Crimean referendum requesting the same?
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But, but, but Hitler, and Stalin, and Genghis Khan, and Pol Pot, and Pearl Harbor, and appeasing tyranny, and WMDs, and killing his own people, and threat to humanity, and liberate.
"Who is Spain?"
"Why is Hitler?"
"When is right?"
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"Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?"
The really embarrassing thing is that our leaders in the west didn't pursue this (too obvious) line. If they weren't willing to go to war then Crimea was a done deal from the start. By pushing a vote the west could have won all the way around, save for the part they were going to lose anyway - Crimea. Now they have lost Crimea and look like tools while Putin looks brilliant.
Now what happens? Does Crimea let Ukraine recall its troops and equipement? Is there a fight? Does that provide a pretense for further Russian incursion? Will the west lose Ukraine entirely? Will there be a war? Those doors are still open to Putin and there is now nothing the west can do about it. He's got the keys and he's driving.
Nobels anyone?
Nobels anyone?
Should be a lock on TIME's Man of the Year - and it's only March!
Interesting.... we've just seen a violent overthrow of a democratically elected government in Ukraine, by pro-Western extremist vigilantes, who even resorted to hiring snipers to cut down protestors and policemen alike in order to get their way. 100 deaths, massive social unheaval and immediate persecution of minorities in Ukraine by outlawing their languages.
And yet during these extraordinary events, not once was the word 'crisis' uttered by the Western media.
Now we have the people of Crimea deciding to take a path of self-determination, entirely democratically and peacefully. Not one single shot fired, not once single sniper hired. Simply a referendum to allow the people to have their say.
And sure enough, NOW suddenly the status of Ukraine has been elevated to 'crisis'.
The Western media is simply sick. SICK I tell ya.
@Occident Mortal: "How on earth can the West oppose this?"
I'd settle for answers to the awkward and obvious questions that the Russia is asking:
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-west-questions-not-answered-994/
1. Why did the opposition oust Yanukovich after he conceded to their demands?
2. Why is the coup-appointed govt replacing oligarchs linked to Yanukovich with... oligarchs?
3. Why did the post-coup parliament strip Russian language of its regional status?
4. Why did Kiev attack the Constitutional Court?
5. Why would the West support the coup in Ukraine?
So many questions, so few answers... For those of use who do NOT confuse "motive/reason" for "pretext". ;-)
Kirk, these questions are entirely valid, but I think we can all agree that our supine media will never pursue them. One has to look for answers elsewhere.
Vladimir Putin is quoted in that article you linked-
"Did our partners in the West and those who call themselves the government in Kiev now not foresee that events would take this turn? I said to them over and over: Why are you whipping the country into a frenzy like this?"
In this chess match Putin is three steps ahead of the West's move. Western leaders have been exposed as not having the vision and foresight to think ahead. This is just one reason why Putin has been racking up a string of impressive diplomatic successes and proved himself to be a better national leader than his western counterparts.
I sincerely think Pepe "The Roving Eye" Escobar has been absolutely killing it lately with his coverage in the Asia Times. He provides some required context at the margins of the Ukrainian "crisis", and his last two columns are a dead-on-target read on what is really going on.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-05-280214.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-050314.html
Right from the leak of the "Fxxk EU", then a few events in between including the who-shot-who, to sending boots to the ground to alledgely "blinking" to the west...This may have been Putin's playbook all along.
Russia built north stream undersea pipeline and soon another south stream pipeline, they do not need Ukraine any more, as long as they have Crimea.
If there were a pan-generational strategy, perhaps should include Chernobyl.
Did he mean that as a warning or as a roadmap? I kind of see it unfolding in front of our eyes.
Fat, lazy American's don't care about what George Carlin used to call this moronic thing called "thinking" (tongue in cheek of course). That's the whole point. Murray Rothbard urged us several years ago that reaching either side is impossible, unless we can bridge the gap by simply telling the truth that THEY'RE RIPPING US OFF. ALL OF US. But we know this, that's why we come to this site.
You can't have an intelligent conversation with these sheeple, they probably couldn't even tell you that we're approaching the 100th anniversary of World War I coinciding with the centenary of the Federal Reserve. No, they take the Homer Simpson mantra of "If I don't see it, it's not illegal" or in this country since everything seems to be illegal these days, it's "if I don't acknowledge it, it didn't happen". Same BS, different day. While we still have the kleptocrat sadists running around telling everyone else who its legitimate to kill Pakistani children in the name of "democracy" it's somehow illigitimate to fortify a base that you're leasing from a neighboring country, who's particular regional inhabitants are culturally the same.
So while we don't have the Black Hand running around Sarajevo looking for an Archduke to shoot, we do have a Black Face LURCHING around looking for a government to displace.
the western powers....checkers
putin.....three dimensional chess
the western powers... themselves
putin..... three dimensional chess
Putin/Lavrov on one side... Obama/Kerry on the other. It's like the original '92 basketball dream team against Angola.
"So you are saying there's still a chance ?"
Dumb and Dumber
The Obama administrations answer...
Send in the horse!
Reality TV has nothing on these clowns.
Done with this holy shit or just plain old cow shit?
don't you mean eastern Ukraine?
The MSM & markets sure do love their 'everything is solved'. It's getting to the point where its just ridiculous.
Everything is solved.
The IMF has landed.
Wealth extraction will commence immediately. Anything that is productive or worth a damn goes to the Western institutions and average pensions of $160 will be cut in half to $80 a month. There will be "austerity", debt slavery and imported European cat food for everyone in the new client state.
Ukraine was too corrupt and inept to handle up on their problems so somebody else did it for them by giving them the Orange 2.0 treatment.
Welcome to your new "freedom" Ukraine.
Enjoy
Neigh Neigh, you don't say?
Kerry talks? Putin walks?
Quackly, the EU par lie I meant gets their fux into the hen house, shooting left, right and sent her.
New Land? Old Story....
ori
The Hans Christian Andersen tale The Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind here, with Putin as the little boy pointing out that the emperor is in fact naked.
Shades of Lady Godiva as well, as the emperor cloaked only in lies is riding through town on a horse-faced ass named Kerry.
Should have been the Emperor's No Clothes anyways, a mis nomer! ;-)
If you say Lady Godiva, people will start to speak of dark chocolate, 33 shades of Grey and the like.
Mussed up wuld.
ori
You guessed it there buddy.
That should be "Yes, We Did".
.....or Not Done Yet.
No they didn't!
Start spliting up the USA. Let the libturds live in Obama Shitsville.
Alaska was part of the old Russian empire. Anschluss, bitchez!
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...until it was purchased.
My God PR Guy got a lot of Zionist trolls out this morning -but Ditto on your advice.
And not just in Ukraine. Check out the work at a little Army base in Bolling Green Virginia -your taxpayer money at work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOwsvqzTD4Q#t=165
Our Govt. pimps spend all their time rattling on about you gotta have a parliment, you gotta vote, you gotta be democratic; so they vote, and still the Govt.com shills keep bitching.
It's just Putin doing the biggest 'quenelle' ever...
ZOG is furious
Russians want to be part of Russia. Who coulda thought of that in advance?
Who coulda thought if USA goes around the world, toppling governments, invading countries and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, then Russia would just sit and watch when they come to do the same to their border.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ethnic Russians in East Ukraine displaced Ukranians in East Ukraine, over an long time frame. Interesting pan-generational strategy.
They just walked in after they starved millions of them to death.
Well, I was building to that, yes there's that. Also going on with the Chinese in Queens and Brooklyn, buying up the forgotten homes of boomer retirees and boomer dead whose children went on to a life of perpetual mortgage and crystal suburban chandeliers.
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That's the narrative that's been pushed over the years, anyway.
Stalin forcibly relocated huge numbers of those troublesome Russians to the Ukraine and subsequently starved them along with the Ukrainians.
People tend to forget that the bolsheviks were extremely hostile to any form of Russian nationalism, as such behavior was "counter-revolutionary". They had managed to steal control of Russia and rightfully felt threatened by any hint of pro-Russian sentiment.
Little wonder that after Lenin's death it wasn't until 1964 that a Russian was head of the USSR.
both krushchev and brezhnev came from ukraine. Brezhnev was born on 19 December 1906 in Kamenskoe (now Dniprodzerzhynsk in Ukraine), to metalworker Ilya Yakovlevich Brezhnev and his wife, Natalia Denisovna Mazalova. At different times during his life, Brezhnev specified his ethnic origin alternately as either Ukrainian or Russian, opting for the latter as he rose within the Communist Party. (from wikipedia)
so andropov in 1982 may be the first clearly russian leader of ussr since lenin.
Thanks for the correction.
I was just going from a quick look at the wikipedia entry for Brezhnev. I knew that Stalin was Georgian and Krushchev was Ukrainian, but wasn't sure about Brezhnev.
Good point about Yuri Andropov. As an aside, I remember how surreal the rapid turnover of Soviet leaders was in the early 1980s. After Brezhnev died, Andropov only lasted a year and a half before he died. His successor, Konstantin Chernenko, only lived long enough to hold the position for a little over a year.
it was called "sarcophagis race" ))
Even the Romanov dynasty is said to have originated in the region of Pskov. I.E. the extreme western edge of Russia.
Had Andropov lived,he could have extended the Soviet Union for another 20 years. The man was very smart.
There was a considerable degree of 'revenge for ancient wrongs' and schadenfreude associated with the Holodomor by a certian ethnic group.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Walked in hardly maybe in body bags, the Bolshevik Jews starved just as many Russian as Ukrainians. The Russians have been in that Region just as long as the other Russians (the Ukrainians) Look they are the SAME people, only difference is that most of Eastern Ukraine was under Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth for hundreds of years and that influenced their language, when your Hetman or Voivode is Polish or Lithuanian you better learn how to talk to your Master. Just look at the Canadians, same WASP stock as USA but they say AYYY, and they think they are totally different and would go to war with the USA over a salmon fishing grounds disagreement even though they are militarily inferior (If I remember correctly things got pretty heated when the Canadian navy aprehended an American fishing boat over salmon fishing grounds disagreement with USAaaay).
South and East Ukraine and Crimea - is a former Russian land, where in the times of Stalin, lived for more than 70% Russians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpDyt6PlCJs
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3948302/post315203230/
That there was a famine from which people died. But among those who died from hunger, 70% - it was the Russian people, but not Ukrainians. Because Stalin never struggled with the Ukrainians. Stalin fought with the class of prosperous peasants. He destroyed this class of the population, regardless of nationality or place of residence. Therefore, the famine was not only in Ukraine (in the former Russian territories with of the Russian population), but in the Russian Volga too.
Myth that Stalin destroyed Ukrainians was needs the West for to share two close relatives population and then conquer them.
Fraud, Famine and Fascism - The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf
Yes Famine was wide in Russia also, from border and in Volga regions. Also Kazakhastan.
Hmm, so it starts with wiping out the independet middle class...
like mexicans replacing......oh never mind, we did it to them first...but only after we did it to the indians
same as it ever was
what you said.
You might think of Euro-Asian population displacers as the Original Astroturfers. The Russians are like 50 year boa constrictor in the Ukraine.
"The Russians are like 50 year boa constrictor in the Ukraine."
The Ukraines are like 500 years parasite on the body Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpDyt6PlCJs
http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3948302/post315203230/
How can you be a boa constrictor in your own family. You only constrict rats like you that spread all this misinformation and try to create conflict. Figures you are a Park Avenue Rat, I won't bother to ask what house of worship you go to (maybe its on Wallstreet)
Pardon, I should be speaking of feathered boas on this thread, and of unnecessarily ruffling them, for which I apologize with great but gently blowing volumes of warm air from all of the proper orifaces.
If there is one thing I do know, and reading this particular area of the thread comment by comment should confuse Plato himself, is that this new development in the Ukraine and Crimea (I should seperate those now, I suppose) is a long time coming, for various multi-generational reasons, perhaps stretching back into obscure histories that no one truly knows the beginning or end of, and fairly inevitable, so why gnash your teeth, any of you?
Its easier to untwine northern Ireland than the Ukraine.
That mess makes my head spin, never knowing who invaded who first.
Lets just deal with the situation as it is.
I do not understand what the problem is.
- In Crimea live Russian people.
- They do not want to live in the EU.
- They do not want to live in the United States.
- They do not want to join NATO.
- They do not want to join in any other shit.
- They do not want "Western democracy".
- They do not want "Western values??."
- They just want to be together with Russia.
What's the problem?
their banking system and debt
next question
Right, so... Chechnya gets to vote next then obviously?
I explained it to the other Village Idiot on the First Page, could you as the second village idiot go to that page for an explanation. Thank you.
observer, 22 billion in cash, too bad it gets missing in the evidence room fire, sad really, but plenty of new billionairs in mexico next year, unless cia/dea/irs steal it outright for the good of the american people..
"Right, so... Chechnya gets to vote next then obviously?"
Chechnya already has been held such a vote on this issue. Referendum result: Together with Russia. Next question.
Right, because people always vote one time to decide an issue and never ever revisit it. Like, oh I don't know, slavery? Or
maybe the whole secession thing in the US. That was a one and done thing too, yes?
The point is if you're going to say "Separtism is OK over here" you have to say "Separtism is ok over there too" without bringing in troops and seizing control over all infrastructure before the vote occurs.
Okay, how about this referendum in California or other states in the U.S.?
Free Texas!
Chechnya? Majority don't want leave Russia. Only a few outside financed criminals cause problems.
Media dumb you down much?
When the Germans were reunited, the whole of Europe applauded.
But when Russians want reunited, Europe and US to spit bile.
By the way, Russia bought for next to nothing all stock shares of Russian monopolies in Ukraine, when prices have collapsed. It was a new Russian greetings for west banksters from Mr. Putin. LOL
"Russians" bought them???
No, here's who bought them, my hasbara friend. http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/03/ukraine-mist-begins-to-clear.html
Putin is right.
Putin is not only the leader of Russia. Putin - is the leader of all progressive mankind. He's a leader in our common struggle against evil.
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When the U.S. government begins to talk about sovereignty, it sounds like an anecdote. Or as a cynical demagoguery that offends consciousness of any person capable of thinking logically.
Putin is right.
OT*
In Japan, they have these afterschool study programs called "juku", or maybe it's spelled "jew-coup", I can never get the phrasing right. So I put it into the online translator and it returns "dual citizen" in Japanese. Anyhow, they're really popular, and like they've been popping up all over for the last 100 years or so. They're expensive, so parents have to break the bank and children have to slave away for hours in these places. I think they're really fed up, and all the kids are like "IMF", which is like how they say WTF, over there.
The EU(SSR) and Zato slave masters want to keep them slaves.
The USSA media keeps demonizing Putin so even conservatives, libs and other drooling TV watching idiots are yelling - Obama's USSA!
Zionism (Hebrew: ??????, Tsiyonut; Arabic: ???????, ?ahy?niyya) is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel.[
You "blame Jewish people" NSA trolls show up every now and then with your half truths.
What you said about us and russia is true, but your statement about there being a Zionist Occupied Government is not, and is trolling to deflect heat from your masters the Luciferian Oligarchs.
What's going on here has nothing to do with the creation of a Jewish Homeland. It more about creation of a Luciferian World.
dont fuck with Putin
The USA taxpayers will come up with the money. Kerry is good at spending our money to brib other governments and payoff terrorists. Kerry is a joke to be honest. McCain is almost as bad.
and Fox news buys their bullshit hook line & sinker
Uh? Have you ever watched that channel? I'll give you a hint, FOX says "Whatever Obama said = BAD" and MSBC says "Whatever Obama said = GOOD".
That's pretty much the "choice" in news today in the US. Just Red Team/Blue Team.
All of TV is watched by reatrds who support this Zato BS. You must be a drooling idiot who watches TV.
They already said don't expect defence cuts after this invasion, but we should still vote them in office, after voting them insane.
2/3 of the people in Washington are sociopaths. The remaining 1/3 are children. I think they're going to get all of us blown up.
No, we might lose a few aging fighter jets over the disputed terriory, eject and spend some time in jails for the rich.
Enabled by Americum idiots watching TV and Hollywood brainwashing.
I can't wait to see US treasuries flooding the market...
yes. and threaten russia that it can't accept dollars for its oil and gas because we will close them out of the banking system. what else could they accept? hmmmm?
hint: was used before the dollar. will be used afterward.
this was overheard at the NSA today...
<ring ring>
"Hello Mr. Putin? This is the Shanghai Cooperation Organization calling. We have heard of an acceleration in your neighborhood, yes?
"..."
Perhaps you'd like to meet and discuss Plan Kill The Motherfucking Dollar and Watch America Collapse Into Multikulti Cannibalism?
"..."
Great, how's Thursday for you? See you soon."
News Bimbo ends her career for nothing. LOL.
Is it not perfectly clear now who the real leaders are? If you look at the likes of Kerry and Obama, you can tell that there is a time delay from when instructions are sent from Tel Aviv to their internal teleprompter and when their mouth speaks. Now compare that to Putin who is real time and the real deal.
Why Tel Aviv? Is not Jerusalem the capital of Israel?
Yes, it is not.
Again Putin kicks our ass....he knows Obama is a joke...andis taking advantage of it....the question is who is next?
Who's next, why it's the who the F* are you song.
the question is who is next?
Hillary is next....but I can't tell you what she's ever accomplished....of course I could have said the same thing about Obama before he got elected.
Word is she's going to awarded a Nobel Prize....for being a woman.
what?? you don't remember what obama accomplished before he got elected? why the same exact thing john kerry accomplished much earlier, before he got elected (to the senate from massachusetts).
he opposed a land war in asia, foolishly started under false pretenses.
vietnam, iraq, ukraine.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12spb_talking-heads-once-in-a-lifetime...
I remember he promised he was going to cut the deficit in half.....I think he's still working on that one.
well if promises count as accomplishments don't ever forget "the most transparent administration in history".
http://www.projectcensored.org/4-obamas-war-whistleblowers/