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High-Probability Of Russian Assault Overnight, Ukraine Pravda Says

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On the heels of the Russian navy intentionally sinking a vessel blocking the Ukrainian navy from entering The Black Sea, Ukraine Pravda reports that it is "most probable that Russian troops will assault units in Ukrainian Crimea overnight continuing to the weekend." Citing a source in the uniformed services, Ukraine Pravda warns that "despite reports that Russian troops ended in learning, active phase lasts. They did not return to the barracks," and maintain "peak readiness."

 

Via Ukraine Pravda (via Google Translate),

On the night of Thursday to Friday a great opportunity to assault Ukrainian part of the Russian special forces.

 

This "Ukrainian Pravda" reported a source in the uniformed services.

 

"Despite reports that Russian troops ended in learning, active phase lasts. They did not return to the barracks. Could maintain peak readiness by the end of the weekend," - said the source.

 

"The most probable that the assault would take place that night, but the danger will persist to the end of the weekend" - source added.

 

"There are three scenarios. First - this air strike," - said the source.

 

He said that if Russian troops will withdraw from parts of the Ukrainian, that would mean this version.

 

"Helicopters are already relocated, and it is possible that they will do exactly helicopters," - said the UP.

 

"The second option - a special operations force for disarmament," - he said.

 

The interviewee said that in the Crimea are Russian special forces "Alpha", "Vympel" and "Zaslon."

 

"The third option: they can come up with ryazhenymy Cossacks, as with a living shield. Example is happening" - he added.

 

He also reminded that the Russian troops flooded his ship to block the path of Ukrainian courts.

 

According to the source, impacts may not be in all parts, but only by those who are the most combat-ready, including Sevastopol and Feodosiya.

And this follows the sinking of a ship to block the Ukrainian Navy...

An anti-submarine boat may have been the first casualty of the Russian incursion into Crimea, but it was hardly an act of violence, much less war: The Russian navy sank one of its own, junked vessels to create an obstacle, a Ukrainian official said on Wednesday.

The sinking was the latest in a series of moves by Russian naval forces in the area that were jangling the nerves of Ukrainian officers... the mouth of the bay was blocked by 10 Russian vessels including the formidable guided missile cruiser Moskva.

 

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Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:35 | 4518468 blackscorpi
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false flag, anyone?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:40 | 4518504 pods
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Wait, won't they be welcomed with roses and a parade like we were in The Iraq?

pods

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:45 | 4518530 camaro68ss
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Im waiting for us to get dragged into this after the CIA blows up one of our Navy ships in a false flag

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:57 | 4518572 Dr. Richard Head
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McCain recently quoted as saying the Natural Gas will pay for this war many times over.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:09 | 4518609 Thought Processor
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War is perhaps the real 'Greatest Show on Earth.'

 

I'm sure MSM outlets are giggling like schoolgirls right now over all of this.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:12 | 4518620 negative rates
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What is that lake like 4 feet deep?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:14 | 4518637 NoDebt
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Heh heh.  That's what I thought, too.  Then I looked closer- it's bigger than you think.  I'd guess that water to be about 30 feet deep, give or take.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:31 | 4518708 JoeSexPack
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See that shipwreck UKR/US/NWO?

 

Wanna see another?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:35 | 4518725 Occident Mortal
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The ONLY way Obama can hurt Putin is if he approves Keystone XL.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:10 | 4518906 zerozulu
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Kerry should come on air and calm down American public.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:15 | 4518930 Sofa King Confused
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Can "Google Translate" improve their translater for the Russian language so I can understand what the fuck is being said.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:30 | 4518987 zerozulu
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It improved a lot in the past 5 minutes,

from

"There are three scenarios . First - this air blow" - said spivrozmovnyk.astyn in Crimea - source

to this:

"There are three scenarios . First - this air strike ," - said the source.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 22:08 | 4519757 1000 splendid suns
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The name of that junked vessel is the USS Dollar.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:02 | 4519531 DeadFred
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Ne pravda b Pravda. Boris will tell you is old saying

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:19 | 4519602 Dollarmedes
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The sinking of their own ship was to trap the Ukrainian ships in the harbor, where they can be attacked by special forces if necessary.

This is interesting because if Crimea is really so pro-Russian, why the need to block the escape routes? Instead, this gives one the impression that this whole thing is a forcible annexation. It has been noted that several Crimean MPs that would've voted "no" were blocked from attending the secession vote. Also, I've heard that while the vote was being taken, armed Russian forces were surrounding the Parliament.

 

If Crimea wants to seceed, make it obvious that no coercion is going on by withdrawing Russian troops back to their bases. Then let them vote.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:26 | 4519629 unrulian
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Oh...thank god...i thought I was having a stroke

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:53 | 4519247 Urban Redneck
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What the Russians did was just plain MEAN... but it makes sense if you would rather not have to sink their navy.

Look at where they sunk the ship in Google Earth ( 45.327537°, 32.987222° )- you could almost walk from shore to the wreck without getting you hat wet. And whatever naval assets were on the protected side of the coastal barrier aren't going anywhere (unless they aren't much larger than rigid hull inflatable).

45.327537°, 32.987222°

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:15 | 4518641 Debugas
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11 meters deep in that place

 

russians sank their old outcomissioned ship there intentionally

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:06 | 4518883 pods
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Probably blocked the channel in the middle with the ship resting on either side of it?  

pods

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:26 | 4518958 Tall Tom
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Who knows??? Maybe they trapped a US Navy Nuclear Submarine??? With a SEAL Team???

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:52 | 4519053 The Gooch
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Don't eat the brown acid.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:24 | 4519155 Tall Tom
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The Purple Dragon was the best.

 

Nobody makes LSD better than the US Government Military Labs. That shit is clean and accurately dosed.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:12 | 4519116 tony wilson
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO

not seal team 6 again

we need to get rid of the number 6 bad seal number kinda unlucky.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:30 | 4519177 Tall Tom
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Number 6 had a bad fate over in Africa...or so we are told.

 

But Team 6 implies that there are five other teams at least.

 

I pray for peace and, if they are there, bring them home.

 

You know that they were there at the start of this CIA mess.

 

PUKIN is an asshole. I will grant you that...in a heartbeat.

 

But that does not in anyway serve to minimize the fact that our Fag President is not better or worse.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:43 | 4519219 Freddie
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Obama would have them killed again if he could.  ZATO.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:15 | 4518639 johnQpublic
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i heard the russians are throwing babies out of their incubators and threw them on the cold floor and left them to die

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:18 | 4518652 machineh
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And the NY Times claims they have WMDs, too.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:22 | 4518667 NoDebt
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Well, the Russians actually DO have WMDs.  No need for guessing or false claims on this one.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:26 | 4518678 johnQpublic
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sweet!!!

so invade, right?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:06 | 4518881 General Decline
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No.  The Modus operandi is that you only invade countries that you accuse of having WMDs but is widely known to actually have none. 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:06 | 4519549 DeadFred
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Invading a country that actually has WMDs can be hazardous to your health.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 22:28 | 4519814 Element
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Don't forget this one:

Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy, Syria expert, made quite an impression on Senator John McCain

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/09/11/2601151/exclusive-mccain-ke...

"Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy, Syria expert, made quite an impression on Senator John McCain. During Senate hearings, the former Presidential candidate quoted at length from her recent Wall Street Journal op-ed painting a rosy picture of a mostly secular, pro-Western anti-Assad insurgency.
 
“John, do you agree with Dr. O’Bagy’s assessment of the opposition?,” the Senator asked the Secretary of State John Kerry. “I agree with most of that,” he replied.
 
Except Dr. O’Bagy wasn’t actually a doctor. Her PhD was fabricated, a lie she told her employers at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), an influential neoconservative-aligned think tank, to get hired. Ironically, it ended up being the lie that got her fired Wednesday. ..."

--

Neocon Warmonger's r usA ... thanks for that ... you are clearly misunderstood peace-lovers and peace-makers.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:10 | 4519318 The Gooch
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No.

That was "planned parenthood."

A subsidized ISO 9001 ASE 47.4 reg 996.7 six-sigma purple heart belt tax-exempt 501C exemplary nobel peace prize conglomerate of hope.

Bonuses all aound!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:16 | 4518644 tony wilson
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you mean frack gas and kiev nazi fart methane

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:20 | 4519143 Fox-Scully
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Is that McCain's gas?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:47 | 4519229 oncefired
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I keep having this recurring dream of beating McCain to a bloody pulp - but he keeps getting back up and giving press conferences wanting to start a war some where else

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:35 | 4519414 Quantum Nucleonics
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Well, whatever else you think of him, he did spend 6 years getting the shit beat out of him at the Hanoi Hilton, so a couple dream sequences is probably inadequate.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:46 | 4519695 validate
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What shit QN, do some research on 'Songbird".

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:08 | 4518601 ZerOhead
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Of course Obama/Kerry could respond by sinking a rusty old aircraft carrier across the Bosphorus straits just to prove a point...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:12 | 4518618 Joe Davola
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Think of the sweet salvage contract that could be awarded to Friends Of Barry!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:38 | 4518747 SilverIsKing
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Does anyone have a few red dry erase markers for POTUS and Kerry?  The need to draw some easily erasable red lines.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:16 | 4518645 Occident Mortal
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Bosphorus is Turkey.

Turkey are the only option for the TANAP pipeline which is the only rival to the South Stream.

So the West needs Turkey to be compliant. Scuttling their shipping lanes would be shooting ourselves in the foot.

This is The Pipeline War.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:51 | 4518810 Joe Davola
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I thought we were already fighting that in New Bleeding Kansas.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:08 | 4519556 Wahooo
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You know what, that's exactly how they'll respond. Obama and Kerry are so bassackward, they'll start a competition over who can sink their own navies the fastest.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:49 | 4518803 SquirrelButtDan
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Pods,

I also remember Iraq invasion beginning in mid-March back in '03. 

SBD

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:52 | 4519244 disabledvet
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You know...i'd actually welcome something like right now.

Obviously the purpose of this craziness was to destabilize so..."so much for that idea." Wanna blame that on the Americans?

Really?

How the whole world doesn't get dragged into this thing is beyond me.
We could be "rushin' Kiev" in a matter of days right now.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:46 | 4518511 ZerOhead
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With the Ukranian fleet now in full control of Donuzlav Lake the words 'shooting fish in a barrel' comes to mind.

Didn't these stupid Ukrainian Admirals learn anything from WW2 when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor?...

http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/russians-scuttle-ka...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:49 | 4518539 Independent
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This stuff was leaked to play with their minds and keep these guys up all night and on the edgel.  The Russians may just try some of that knock out gas again.  Pipe it into the ships, heck they may even use snipers to take out the sentries, or this is all to give the suckers one last chance to go to their wives walking instead of in a body bag.  Putin wants Crimea clear of any other troops and fast before they move on other parts of Ukraine like Odessa. He doesn't want his men tied down babysitting suckers who dont realize the West is selling them and their families into indentured servitude.  They had their chance to go to mother Russia.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:57 | 4518557 ZerOhead
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Could be worse.

They could always resort to using blaring loudspeakers playing non-stop Obama/Hillary/Kerry speeches until their ears bleed or they suicide themselves.

Sound travels well over water you know...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:07 | 4518603 whatthecurtains
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Or tune all their tv channels to MSNBC.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:44 | 4519024 The Gooch
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Apparently Rocky Maddow IS a neocon after all.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:14 | 4518612 Independent
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I mean here is a crazy scenario, what if this puppet Ukraine regime invites in Nato troops into the country and you see Nato move in quickly with helicopters to secure the eastern cities and odessa port to beat Putin from landing his troops there.  I mean they dont need big numbers, just a few hundred troops here and there and they put Putin in a real sticky situation as far as getting them out of there cause they say we were invited in.  Same thing with Crimea, would they try to sneak in some Nato troops on these bases?  Who knows its a weird world. I am sure Putin has contingency plans.  Which is why he wants Crimea wrapped up quickly since its close to the underbelly of Ukraine and he can move men and material by sea, air and land from there.

Anyone has a take on this?  Maybe a different spin.  How would you deal with Nato troops quickly immersed into Eastern Ukraine cities and into Kievs only other port, Odessa? Before Odessa has its referendum.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:22 | 4518649 ZerOhead
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<They are that STUPID

<They are not that STUPID

Back Putin into that corner and you are rolling the dice.

Gold and silver to the moon...

Stocks and bonds collapse...

No more Wall Street bonuses... perhaps no Wall Street.

And finally...

Kleptocratic New World Order > DOA

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:23 | 4518668 NoDebt
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Stop it.  I'm getting all misty.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:30 | 4518699 johnQpublic
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if nato moves in , those robins egg blue helmets will make easy targets for the snipers that nato has been using

or sumthin

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:18 | 4519136 Anusocracy
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Crimea could give citizenship to all Russian troops in it and all that are added. The idea is to become a part of Russia again anyway. They would then have access to additional Russian armaments.

New Crimean troops could then clear eastern Ukraine of the government usurpers from Kiev. Bingo, a civil war.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:34 | 4518705 Independent
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I mean NATO is up to something, they are moving in air assets for air cover obviously, I think they are going to create a situation on the ground to deny Putin the ability to take more territory.  What if say that US ship decides to go dock in Odessa and say it was under invitation of Kiev govt.  By this weekend there is going to be a whole lot of S**T going down, hold on....

Those blue helmets will be hard to hit if they are hunkered down and barricaded in some administrative bldgs like local parliment etc ...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:00 | 4518784 ZerOhead
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I hear you. I think they just have to be seen as doing something even if it is in fact mere window dressing.

If the entire global financial system wasn't so fucked up. over-levered, over-currency and interest rate swapped and held together soley by the worlds CB's with duct tape, lies and liquidity injections... I would say a pre-emptive placement could be an entirely possible scenario.

But this would constitute an event comparable to the Cuban missile crisis of the 60's in a highly unstable financial and economic environment.

It would be suicidal well before actual hostilities could even get underway.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:07 | 4518863 Independent
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Guys I think this think is going down, the USA knows its at ends end as far as the dollar is concerned, they need to create the conflict.  Either NATO troops dressed as Ukraine military or just in NATO gear they are on the ground.  They will move to infiltrate cities probably in civilian cars with their gear in the trunk.  Nobody is restricting travel in Ukraine. Over course of several day they can be in by the thousands inside cities ready to jump and take control of key targets.  The air cover is moved into position as we speak and they may well paint Ukraine markings on the Planes and Helicopters.  Nato will grab as much of Ukraine as they can, that is what is securing their loans, its the land and factories of the entire Ukraine, they wont give up an inch now that they lost Crimea.  Dont mean to panic people but we have clowns in command in DC.

Their game plan is to bog down Russia into a convetional slugfest in Ukraine and then activate their street protests in Russia, antiwar and all that.  They are out to take Putin down.  They want to use this conflict and go to a low level conflict with conventional arms where Vlad is seen as fighting other slavs to make him unpopular at home.  The main prize is not Ukraine, they want the resources of Russia, the Holy Grail.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:21 | 4518918 ZerOhead
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They haven't secured military bases in all the worlds major oil fields yet which would be essential to achieve complete global domination.

They still need Iran. (Crap they have all the rest of the cards for the Royal Flush don't they)

And Nutandyahoo just intercepted a shipment of missiles from Syria (which is in a state of civil war so very improbable) which were then flown to Iran (also improbable) and then shipped by boat to god knows where to be delivered to Gaza of all places even though things have been quiet there for ages...

And we can trust him because everyone including international leaders says he's a liar.

Oh fuck...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:48 | 4519477 TheReplacement
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So what is your theory?  Were there no missiles?  Were there missiles but not from Syria/Iran?  Were they bound for somewhere else, where, to whom, from whom, why?  You imply Netinyahu (spelling) is lying - to what end?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:15 | 4518922 ZerOhead
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Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:18 | 4518940 walküre
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Could be a problem. How many black or hispanic Ukrainians are there? That might have worked when most of our troops and the enemies were all white. Now it's an entire different matter.

Besides, it's just plain stupid. Poland is a NATO partner and Poland can invite and request however many NATO troops it thinks appropriate. No need to disguise anything.

Nato moves in from the West, Russia moves in from the East and they meet in the middle where the lands will be deeply soaked in blood like we haven't seen since the Vimy Ridge.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:31 | 4518985 ZerOhead
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Don't forget that vast swathes of eastern Poland were seized by the Russians in 1939 during the war and given to the Ukraine...

The Poles should actually demand their land back.

I mean if it's proper (as it is) to return the land/property that was indeed stolen from the Jews by Hitler then it should also include land stolen by the Ukraine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_Poland_annexed_by_the_Soviet...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:35 | 4518996 walküre
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If this escalates, all cards are on the table - again. The lines will be redrawn. I just wonder if it still important to people what nation state they inhabit as long as they've got representation. Maybe takes another thousand years until we get there.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:55 | 4519063 ZerOhead
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If NATO forces are moved in I suggest you quickly buy yourself emergency food supplies.

Just think about the cascading collapses you are going to see....

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:08 | 4519105 walküre
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Raising and growing my own, but yes. Shelves will be bare quickly. Here's to hoping that cooler heads will prevail. A system reset however much I'd appreciate that doesn't have to come after a long drawn out war.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:38 | 4519006 jhm
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Oh, do not, i repat, do not ! open that can of worms. If Poland starts thinking about its lost eastern territories the Germans may start getting interested in talking about what was taken from them by Poland ...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:57 | 4519068 ZerOhead
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There is NO LAW anymore.

Only military and economic might.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:33 | 4519188 Terminus C
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anymore?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:58 | 4519727 TheReplacement
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You didn't answer my other post.

As to the above, that's all there ever was, has been, or will be. 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:22 | 4519149 Anusocracy
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Wrong.

War protesters would be rounded up and put in detention camps.

Just like protesters would be in the US.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:23 | 4519377 Freddie
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I share your concern.  The only reason why I think Zato will stay out is the Europeans (ie Germany) do not want a war.   The Germans have major investments in Russia and is big market for German cars and other stuff.   What European ZATO-Zio troops they gonna drop in there?  Germans? Italians? Frech? Any Nordics?  Only the Poles would be crazy enough.

The other reason I am hopeful is General Martin Dempsey the head of the Joint Chiefs.  I think he was one reason factor in stopping stupid Obama from attacking Syria. I would not give a plug nickel for anything in The Pentagon but hopefully Dempsey has a little sense.

The final reason is MIC.  If they start a war - it will expose just how shitty the USSA military equipment is.  The F-35 would not be involved because it is the biggest and most over pricesd piece of shit going and the F-22 is just behind it.  The Rand Corp did a simulation in 2008 with F-22,F-18 and F-35 versus the Chinese flying Russian Su-27s and Su-35.  The air battle was over in a few hours and the USSA MIC junk was destroyed. 

I doubt they factored in defective Chinese parts that the USSA zio MIC contractors use.   The USSA would have lost even faster.

NOTE: This did not include Russian SS-400 anti aircraft misiles or Russian anti-ship missiles.  The USSA may have some other secret HAARP things they could use but then the Russians roll out the R-36M/SS-18 ICBMs code named Satan by ZATO. 

https://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/icbm/r-36m.htm

Say goodbye to the world then.

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 22:11 | 4519766 Independent
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In your link it said the SS-18 was made in Ukraine, I am sure the Russians would love to get those manufacturing plants back under their MIC

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 23:54 | 4520044 e_goldstein
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I doubt that it matters what the Germans want; well less so than what the German/ EU bankers want.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:06 | 4518886 Ceylon tea
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Window dressing is the new normal.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:55 | 4518833 darkpool2
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Gas off in...........3....2.....1

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:01 | 4518843 ZerOhead
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Possible.

Vlads best play is to sit patiently for the referendum and watch the Ukrainian NeoNazi/fascists self destruct themselves.

Too many sociopaths in one room will always end up killing each other...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:12 | 4518947 Tall Tom
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Too many sociopaths in one room will always end up killing each other...

 

Too many World Leader psychopaths in one World will always end up killing each other...along with countless of millions, if not billions, of the complicit bystanders.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:27 | 4518685 giggler321
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You forgot to mention BTC?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:13 | 4518919 zerozulu
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Did some body said WWIII?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:31 | 4518703 SDShack
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 A good thought provoking post. +1 for you. To answer it, think 3D, not just confined to the Black Sea. Your scenairo would precipitate a response elsewhere in the globe where Putin and his allies have more leverage over the West. Iran, Syria, NKorea, China are all obvious. But it's the non-obvious that would probably be in play, and that is much harder to anticipate. The possibilities are probably endless, and you can bet Putin has a few contingencies already planned.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:47 | 4518785 August
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>>>Anyone has a take on this?

There's a chance that Putin may be willing to "leave behind" substantial numbers of Russians in Ukrainian territory, for the same reason that Stalin and Khrushchev put them there: to deter and dilute Ukraine's leanings to the West.  However, if mutual overtures persist between NATO and Ukraine, I'd expect Russia to demand, and obtain, Ukraine's Russian-speaking eastern provinces. 

And there is no way in Hell that NATO replaces Russia in the Crimea, short of nuclear war.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:08 | 4518898 CrashisOptimistic
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Moving troops is not moving troops.

It is moving troops, food, water, ammo, sanitary facilities and all else that 1000 people would need.

All of which would be visible by satellite in preparation.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:08 | 4518899 bigrooster
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I don't see NATO being able to mobolize that fast and not be noticed.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:40 | 4519209 SilverRhino
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Mobilize in south Arizona (aircraft graveyard) for logisitics, air lift.

Pick up troops in Germany / England 

Drop in Western Ukraine.

 

This is an extremely BAD idea but secret mobilization can be done. 

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:28 | 4518950 graneros
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You present a scenario that with a different leadership in DC and London most likely would happen.  That is what an Eisenhower or a Patton (without question Patton), or a Churchill would do. Wow Independent I just lumped you in with some pretty impressive folk there.

Now that I think about, Patton would have rolled into Red Square yesterday.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:35 | 4519416 Freddie
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Patton led the tanks against The Bonus Army and that POS McCarthur ran the show.  Ike was there but I think he said don't us the tank.

The only guy who supported the Bonus Army, I think, was Smedley Butler.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:56 | 4519712 unrulian
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Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:50 | 4519047 Fractal Parasite
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Are not US troops sick of seeing their buddies being shot at and blown up in Afghanistan and Iraq? Would they really want to occupy the hostile part of Ukraine too, where the local population is well-armed and knows the terrain?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:30 | 4519172 ebworthen
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NATO is sending assets to Poland and other bordering countries.

Moving forces into Ukraine would likely violate numerous treaties.

Besides, the Yanukovych government was overtrhown by an illegal coup d'etat; despite all the rhetoric the Western Ukranians don't have a leg to stand on.

Russia won't allow NATO forces into Ukraine; if the West doesn't back down and stop playing Imperialist Risk a lot of people are going to die.

Right now they think swarms of reporters are going to protect Ukraine from Russia.  If I were Putin I would tell all news agencies to get their reporters out by Saturday at midnight then roll the tanks, helicopters, and special forces.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 22:06 | 4519752 TheReplacement
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Why didn't the eastern and Crimean Ukrainians lift a finger to support Yanukovych?  It would seem everyone wanted him gone.  When everyone wants a leader gone the leader has to go.  You can't fire the team.  Real politics and all that.

Fri, 03/07/2014 - 00:03 | 4520062 ebworthen
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Many did support him, even though they didn't like him, but not enough in Kiev.

Yakunovych had signed an agreement with the opposition, with French/German/British foreign ministers in attendance - to address concerns and hold elections in May.

The opposition violated those agreements, and the constitution, and ousted the democratically elected Yakunovych.

No proof that he ordered the snipers to kill protestors, even some reports the opposition ordered the snipers to kill.

The U.S. Military should have performed a coup de'etat in 2009, or 2013, or now considering the rape of the Constitution, the Bailouts, the Supine Court, the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch all being utterly corrupt - but their pensions and healcare are at stake!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:41 | 4519449 Quantum Nucleonics
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"Quickly" and NATO don't go together anymore.  Aside from the US, NATO members are spending 1% of GDP on defense, and the US hasn't been spending much of its considerable budget on preparing for a land invasion of the former Soviet Union.

Recall that France needed air support from the US to ship a couple hundred troops to Mali... and when we asked them to pay us back, they said they didn't have the cash.

Plus, any NATO action would require Obama's approval, and if you look back at his musings on the military from the early 80's, you can have total confidence, as Putin does, that Obama is a weakling, eager to lay low the military power of the country he leads.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 22:09 | 4519759 TheReplacement
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It sucks for the Ukrainians who don't want to be swallowed by Russia.  On the other hand, how would it be bad for American allies to be forced to fend for themselves after all these decades of being protected?  Why should it be American blood that guarantees European peace first and last?  If there is no war, this should be the logical result.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:41 | 4518757 Spumoni
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Nah man - that ship is destined to be a discoteque!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 19:16 | 4519128 123dobryden
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ukrainians has a long history to fight invaders, just brief look back how these suckers may fight back:

 

In the Battle of Grozny of August 1996 (also known as Operation Jihad or Operation Zero Option), Chechen rebels regained and then kept control of Chechnya's capital Grozny in a surprise raid.[2] The Russian Federation had conquered the city during the Battle of Grozny (1994–1995) and posted there a large garrison of federal and republican Ministry of the Interior (MVD) troops. The much smaller rebel force infiltrated Grozny and either routed the MVD forces or split them into many pockets of resistance. Chechen separatists then beat back and decimated the Russian Ground Forces units that had been sent to eject the rebels and rescue their own trapped forces.[3] The final result was a ceasefire

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 21:20 | 4519421 Urban Redneck
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That was under rosy cheeks Yeltsin.

You conveniently didn't mention what happened when Vlad the Impaler decided to retake Grozny three years later...

(although I sympathize with not wanting to graphically describe Paul Krugman's wet dreams)

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:41 | 4518512 macholatte
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Hold on, Vlad.... we're paying the ransom money.  Yellin is yellin that the printer is warming up. $1B Ransom Money to be delivered as instructed in the dead of night in a brown paper bag and left on the park bench behind the Orange Julius.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:13 | 4518629 walküre
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You can't make this shit up. Anything is possible. You are probably closer to the truth than you think.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:37 | 4519003 kchrisc
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In the DC US they would have sunk the ship in grand false-flag fashion with Israelis cheering from on shore and Gene Rosen offering much interesting commentary while Robbie Parker would laugh it up over the loss of his child/brother/whoever.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:54 | 4519061 Fractal Parasite
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And a TV script-reader reporting that the ship visibly sailing behind her has been sunk already.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:35 | 4518469 Big Corked Boots
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A neo-con wet dream.

"There's money to be made here."

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:35 | 4518470 McMolotov
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High-probability of false-flaggotry.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:05 | 4518595 RetiredSilverBug
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agree, yellow press

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:06 | 4518599 Boozer
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Welcome back McMolotov...thought you got blocked out

of ZH...or did you just make bail?

 

I enjoy your salty posts.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:36 | 4518474 kliguy38
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Good weekend for war.........just have to wait to do it after the close...gotta load the dumb money up

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4518479 camaro68ss
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its already done, it just wont be reported until after the close.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:05 | 4518597 Dr. Richard Head
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Reported or not, us dumbass Americans care more about Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus kissing http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=katy%20perry%20miley%20cyrus%20kiss

I now know why I am just drunk and lazy anymore - https://itunes.apple.com/ru/album/jambling-single/id826709947

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:13 | 4518632 negative rates
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Yea you never had a chance to figure them out, lucky for us too.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:17 | 4518651 walküre
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Americans don't care about the crap that Hollywood pumps out. That's just it. Nobody gives a freakin' care but we get bombarded with it and the perception is that people are interested. Worst propaganda and distraction efforts ever. Nauseating and some absurd mind fucking going on.

People are kept stupid but people have a way to shut down on this crap and make up their own opinions when it gets too absurd. Why do you think ZH and other blogs are so popular and highly frequented. Make no mistake though, establishment and their propaganda are living on here as well.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:19 | 4518656 Dr. Richard Head
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I work with many 60 women in our office and the topics of conversation definitely are not geopolitical entanglements or monetary practices of various central banks around the world.  Trust me on that one.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:52 | 4518814 Rainman
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+ 60 doses of drama .

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:11 | 4519323 Black Warrior W...
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50 Shades of Greypubes

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 18:23 | 4518966 walküre
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Ok, I guess I was wrong about 50% of the population who eats the Kardashian shit up like nothing else.

60 x PMS is more than most men will ever have in their life time and you get that on a monthly basis.

I wouldn't want your job no matter how well paid it is.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:56 | 4519511 horseman
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I believe it has always been that way with most women.  The idea that they are all politial and concerned about stuff is a lie by the feminist groups. Most of the men around where I live are aware of obama and the the bank cartel, even if in just a general way.  That said,most aren't aware of the real goings on in Ukraine.  I chalk that up to years of condtioning during the cold war.  I even have a saying that goes back to the cold war I tell folks.  "When I was in the Marines the enemy were the communist, what am I supposed to do now when the CIC is a communist?"   

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:33 | 4518719 Dr. Richard Head
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I stand corrected.  My search was out of context I guess.  Nice catch.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:42 | 4518760 drdolittle
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like your name Dick

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:38 | 4518498 Winston Churchill
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A good weekend not to have much cash in any bank.

Long shovels and 55 gal coolers.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:36 | 4518475 camaro68ss
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bullish for DOW 17,000 Tomorrow!!!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4518485 yogibear
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And higher!!!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:51 | 4518549 Magnix
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and HIGHHHHERRR!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:01 | 4518583 BKbroiler
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and... it's gone.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:39 | 4518502 yogibear
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Sorry Ruskies it would take a 60 megaton nuke on Wall Street to change this bull market.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:42 | 4518519 camaro68ss
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bet you a russian fur hat it still closes green.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:44 | 4519459 Quantum Nucleonics
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And even then, it would depend on where it went off.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:36 | 4518476 Spastica Rex
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Well, it is the Truth.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:40 | 4518507 Pool Shark
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True, 'from a certain point of view.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jobWnQ__OPA

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:46 | 4518535 kito
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everything is a manifestion of the Truth spas.......

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:19 | 4518654 Spastica Rex
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It's also justice.

edit: why did you change your picture?

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:36 | 4518478 yogibear
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Have at it. We in the US are basking in the record high stock market. Who cares about anything else.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4518486 camaro68ss
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Strippers and cocaine for everyone!!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4518481 cossack55
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I still like the SS-26 Storm (Iskander) missiles in Kaliningrad (Konigsberg).  Nice options for warhead package.

 

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:04 | 4518591 angel_of_joy
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Those are to give the Poles some pause, in case they become too excited by Obama's speeches.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 20:46 | 4519470 Quantum Nucleonics
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Unlikely, the Poles are still bent over getting thrown under the bus when Obama hit his "recent" button the first couple months in office.  

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:34 | 4518722 Warhead
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That's what she said. (To me.)

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4518487 chubbar
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Obama just declared that the people of Crimea are acting illegally by expressing their desire to join Russia. Spreading Democracy bombing to begin momentarily.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:39 | 4518501 camaro68ss
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Kinetic bombing for peace

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:02 | 4518584 tarsubil
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Kinetic fireworks celebrating peace.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:01 | 4518582 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Obama just declared that the people of Crimea are acting illegally by expressing their desire to join Russia.

No surprise that the Crimeans are anxious to bail out of the Ukraine. News of atrocities by the US-backed Ukrainian "government" are beginning to trickle out. This one happened two weeks ago, just learned of it today:

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/03/neo-fascist-ukrainian-insurgen...

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4518488 NOTaREALmerican
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War is always good for the Elysium Class.   

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:38 | 4518489 Jack Burton
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I assume the block ship was sunk to keep Ukrainian Naval vessels in their port. Easy, cheap and effective way to neuter a possible enemy naval force. Without a shot fired, of course.

I haven't a clue what this means. I haven't a clue why Ukraine wants Crimea as it has never been Ukrainian in any sense other than USSR paper title transfer for political reasons of a Soviet leaders giving a gift to his Ukainian republic.

The revolutionary government in Ukraine probably wants to secure Crimea for NATO. If Ukraine can enter NATO and offer Sevastopol as a new American Naval base, that would be worth a lot of billions in free American fiat.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:40 | 4518503 Jim in MN
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Turn the local scavengers loose on the hull, and start marketing scuba tours to the clueless tourists.

Lemonade!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 22:32 | 4519825 Element
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The Ruskies will just cut it with explosives then lift the bits on to barges when they're done.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:44 | 4518525 SDShack
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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner!

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 16:58 | 4518577 Ignatius
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If Russians lose Crimea, it's over (warm water port).

This is a direct strategic threat that Russia will NEVER let slide.

Dangerous times.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:03 | 4518578 Kirk2NCC1701
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It 'bears' repeating that Khrushchev, who signed Crimea over to Ukraine in 1954, was.... [drum-roll please] ... Ukrainian himself.

And, after Stalin (a Georgian), it is easy to see why the USSR Politburo picked a Ukrainian (Khrushchev). You can also understand the motives of why Khrushchev signed it over, and that/why he may have been persuaded to do so.

Another Inconvenient Truth in this little game of 'Global Warming' of a different kind.

Thu, 03/06/2014 - 17:10 | 4518613 thelibcentury
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wasn't he drunk when he signed it over, too? or is that one of those urban legend thingees...

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