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The Russian Perspective: "There Will Be War In Ukraine"
With Ukrainians living in the Crimea region voting to join Russia, the West calling for sanctions (well some of the West), boots still on the ground, and markets apparently of the belief that all is well in the world once again, we thought the Russian perspective on the next steps was useful...
Via Sergei Markov of The Moscow Times,
The current crisis is not about Crimea. It is about the rights of Russian-speakers throughout Ukraine whom the Kremlin wants to protect from violence and discrimination. Russia does not want a military intervention in Crimea and does not want to take Crimea from Ukraine.
There is a political solution to this crisis.
First, create a coalition government in Kiev composed of all parties, including those from the east and south of the country. The current government is dominated by anti-Russian extremists from western Ukraine.
Second, Ukraine needs to draft a democratic constitution that has guarantees for Ukraine's Russian-speaking population that would grant official status to the Russian language and establish the principle of federalism.
Third, presidential and parliamentary elections must be held soon. Independent election observers must play an active role in ensuring that the elections are free and fair. There is a real danger that they will be manipulated by the neo-Nazi militants who de facto seized power in a coup.
If these democratic and peaceful solutions to the crisis in Ukraine are rejected by the opposition forces that have seized power in Kiev, I am afraid that Russia will have no other choice but to revert to military means. If the junta leaders want to avoid war, they need to adopt Moscow's peaceful and democratic proposals and adhere to them.
Those currently in power in Kiev are carrying out a political strategy that is not so much pro-European as it is anti-Russian, as evidenced by the surprisingly heavy-handed tactics the U.S. and European Union have employed in Ukraine. In the end, a minority executed a violent coup that removed the democratically elected and legitimate president of Ukraine.
The Kremlin believes that the current Ukrainian leadership will manipulate the elections planned for May 25 to install a single leader or coalition government functioning much as former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili did in Tbilisi. A "Ukrainian Saakashvili" will unleash an even more repressive campaign of intimidation against Russian-speakers, one that over several years would stoke anti-Russia hysteria among the general population.
After that, Kiev may evict Russia's Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol and purge Crimea of any Russian influence. Ukraine could easily become a radicalized, anti-Russian state, at which point Kiev will fabricate a pretext to justify taking subversive action against Moscow. This looks especially likely considering that ruling coalition members from the neo-fascist Svoboda and Right Sector parties have already made territorial claims against Russia. They could easily send their army of activists to Russia to join local separatists and foment rebellion in the North Caucasus and other unstable regions in Russia. In addition, Russia's opposition movement will surely want to use the successful experience and technology of the Euromaidan protests and, with the help and financial support of the West, try to carry out their own revolution in Moscow. The goal: to remove President Vladimir Putin from power and install a puppet leadership that will sell Russia's strategic interests out to the West in the same way former President Boris Yeltsin did in the 1990s.
The official census puts the Russian minority in Ukraine at 16 percent of the total population, although that number was falsified. The actual number is closer to 25 percent. Surveys indicate that 45 percent of the country's population speak Russian at home, 45 percent speak Ukrainian and 10 percent speak both languages. In the most recent Gallup survey, when asked in which language they would like to be polled, 83 percent of respondents chose Russian. Taking into account the rural population in western and central Ukraine, about 75 percent of the people, probably speak Russian. Of that 75 percent, only about 10 percent are those in Kiev and a few other major cities who supported the protests. This means that only 35 percent of the population are attempting to impose its will on the remaining 65 percent, using a violent coup to achieve their goals.
Putin made the right decision: He did not to wait for that attack and took preventative measures. Many in the West say the Kremlin's reactions were paranoiac, but Germany's Jews also thought the same of leaving the country in 1934. Most of them chose to believe they were safe and remained in Germany even after Hitler came to power. The infamous Kristallnacht took place five years later, one of the first early chapters in the "Final Solution." Similarly, just four years remain until Russia's presidential election in 2018, and there is a strong risk that subversive forces within and outside Russia will try to overthrow Putin, in part using their new foothold in Ukraine.
Will there be war in Ukraine? I am afraid so. After all, the extremists who seized power in Kiev want to see a bloodbath. Only fear for their own lives might stop them from inciting such a conflict. Russia is prepared to move its forces into southern and eastern Ukraine if repressive measures are used against the Russian-speaking population or if a military intervention occurs. Russia will not annex Crimea. It has enough territory already. At the same time, however, it will also not stand by passively while Russophobic and neo-Nazi gangs hold the people of Crimea, Kharkiv and Donetsk at their mercy.
Or out another way:
If the extremists who seized power in Kiev do not accept Russia's democratic proposals, Russia will likely be forced to revert to military means to solve the crisis in Ukraine.
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Lithuania just got 6 F-15s and Poland got 12
Worry is Poland, with Obama sending F-16s.
I'm laying 5:1 odds on the former "Reds". Any takers?
I'll take Russia and lay a field goal!
I thought only the U.S. media were propaganda shills.
The more things change, the more they stay the same:
http://www.collectingsoviethistory.com/
You Putin/Elders of Zion freaks are Merikans?? Just ask'n
I'm sitting this one out....
That's what you think.
re The Russian Perspective: "There Will Be War In Ukraine"
The USSA Perspective: "We will make sure of it - our snipers are on the ground... have been for a while now..."
So is the precedent for Ukraine, Yugoslavia?
And what did we learn there?
Not very much, we got it all wrong then, and are perfectly likely to get it all wrong now.
Complete arrogant idiots in positions of unaccountable power, just like always.
OGZPY at under US$7/sh? Let me check with THE MINISTRY OF FUCK YEAH!
The EU will freeze to death without Gazprom. 17% of the global market and 25% of the EU market alone, we'll see how Putin turns the economic screws to encourage meddlers to bark as loud as they want, but no biting, please. Sure, one could go for the 5% dividend over with the Dutch, but 4% does NICELY with an upside of GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD ALREADY.
And for fuck sake, Putin has accomplished more in making this President look like a handbag carrying minstrel than any Republican has even dreamed of. Jeezuz, cheap stock and political theater? PASS THE FUCKING POPCORN!!! Shit like this is golden.
Listen, Sergei.
You can come to America anytime and report on the problems (which are "legion" so to speak) over here.
You will not have a problem having an audience with Americans who don't want to see a shooting war between Russians and Americans. Of all the people to say "we need to cool the rhetoric and start establishing dialogue" I am obviously the last person on the face of the earth who should be saying that.
Having said that..."the best friend you ever had was that kid you got in a fight with when you the two of you were little kids."
In short..."journalistically speaking"...establishing a dialogue...sure, it involves smack talking...being a "tough guy"...but it also means recognizing how events can "run away from us" nothing that you and i can say or do really matters all that much.
In short...we can talk about what "our side thinks" or "our side believes"...or..."we can start trying to figure out if we have ANYTHING in common" and hopefully go from there.
"Ink is being spilled while blood is being shed." Meh. "What is to be done?"
Re: What is to be done?"
Admire the sociopaths getting rich and realize its just a survival-of-the-fittest game. The sociopaths who survive will have very properous sociopathic kids.
The DNA gods are laughing.
Tom Waits " bad as me" full album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDgC0GWKh26jU&v=c3IHscrJB0I
Good Lord! That's what they make street lamps and ropes for!
Re: That's what they make street lamps and ropes for!
That's so old school. Mericans love to get kicked in the ass by those who are the most fit to survive. They even sacrifice their kids for their really cool wars. Been going on for generations, where ya been?
There won't be an eagle v bear shooting war.
there may, however, be the deployment of terror cells so favored by the US/NATO, Saudi, and Israel.
Question is, does Ivan's response stay in the same theatre.
Survey says 'no fuckin way.'
Mortui soli finem belli viderunt...
I think the Saudis may be out of the game soon. The Saudis may be finished. The US will not have the time or troops to defnd them and I think the US is throwing them under the bus.
At what point will the Europeans going to say Uncle to Putin? The only army the EU has is mercenaries. No European country will engage Russia even with mercs. The only thing holding the EU to the USSA is the Fed printing press now. Putin is going to split Nato or ZATO.
Good analysis here by Dr. Jim Willie on Ukraine is the Waterloo for the US Dollar.
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1394139780.php
Crap. Putin is a Russian president who wants Russia strong and prosperous working closely with Europe. It is the USA that fears Europe without US control as pre-1945.
NATO is used to control the EU and make the US a partner so Russia cannot integrate into Europe and build the Mackinder Plan. The US is terrified of German economic power harnessed to Russian resources and Chinese markets.
Without WW1 Russia would have been more powerful than the US as an economy with huge German investment from Siemens and Blohm & Voss. The British would have been vulnerable in India and Iraq and could not fight without US funding as they had failed to plan.
The fact is German public opinion is more amenable to Russia than the US and the portrayal of the US as a muscle-bound empire of men in black Chevrolets working for Agencies spying and bugging phones, emails, and killing with drones, or invading countries and ravaging them is not a pretty picture and makes Russian history and German history look relatively good.
This may be the last hurrah of the USA as its Neo-Con Jewish lobby destroys its credibility globally
The war has already started .
Casus Belli .
The ship has sunk .
Regardless whose it was .
Markets are falling .
Anschulss Bitchez!
The current U.S. = a fraud backed by force
The dollar = a measurement backed by murder
Sometimes you make a great deal of sense.
Sometimes.
Hah, BullyBearish, those are two of my favourite phrases that I have repeated in Zero Hedge posts at least several dozen times during the previous year. (Indeed, I have elevated them to the status of being axiomatic scientific principles.)
After one studies enough history to understand the degree to which the international banksters have turned all NATO countries into debt slaves, run by puppet politicians, tricking the masses of muppets who have been brainwashed by their schooling and indoctrinated by the mass media to believe in the banksters' bullshit view of the world, then one tends to DETEST what the "leaders" of NATO countries are doing, because that is an expression of the criminal insanity of the international banksters that are pulling the strings of those puppet politicians throughout NATO countries.
As I Canadian, I especially dislike the current Harper government, which is dominated by Crazy Christian Zionists, who are particularly vile bankster puppets, compared to the usual history of what kinds of bankster puppet politicians we have previously been used to in the Canadian context. Prime Minister Harper fully embraces the criminal insanities of the international banksters, while the Canadian mass media, which are just as bad as the American mass media, if not actually worse, present the corresponding extremely biased view of world affairs.
Although I do not like Russian politicians much, I HATE the NATO politicians who are the banksters' puppets, and therefore, promote the vicious lies surrounding the banksters' criminal insanities. Therefore, I somewhat enjoy watching when Russia presents an obstacle to the international banksters' extremely evil agenda. As the predominant trend of the comments and ratios of votes on Zero Hedge demonstrate, most people who know enough about money systems to understand the real role of the international banksters within those systems, as the Kings of Fraud, tend to be more favourably disposed towards what Russia is saying and doing, because they are aware that what the USA and other NATO countries have been saying and doing have been expressions of the criminal insanities of the international banksters, whose frauds have already taken over control of the money supplies, and most of the political processes, throughout most NATO countries.
A Farewell To Kings
Dear NATO,
While it would seem fitting that your imminent retirement should be preceded by a final blaze of glory, we, the Global Oceans Alliance, who pledge to protect all The Life of Sea and Sky and Land, gratefully acknowledge all the efforts you have put forth to achieve your lofty, impossible ideals. NATO was inspirational like a newborn child and through the stormy years there were tears, but forgiveness and best wishes in your retirement are conferred by placing the needs of tomorrow ahead of your own need for Glory. Why risk tragedy at this juncture? When by gracefully entering into retirement, all will understand great power more profoundly, and visitors will arrive when need be to seek guidance and Wisdom. Trust that future generations will speak well of you and the smiles will stretch beyond the tears.
Please join us in Paris in December 2015 for best wishes.
Sincerely,
Global Oceans Alliance
Ahem! A few highlights from JIM WILLIE'S bulletin posted today:
Ukraine as the USDollar Waterloo
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1394139780.php
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+1000
Amazing article !!!
Thanks for the link.
Anyone have some color...background on the professional accomplishments of Col. Putin while on active duty; you know arrests, tortures, exiles, and executions? He musta been accomplished considering his successful elections. He's kinda the Soviet version of a "Renaissance Man." ?Que?
Looks like we've got some genuine net.kook material here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVf7m_YZ2zY
Please give me a break! This is what the banksters and neocons want. Those crooks, idiots and lackeys want a war to distract from all of the serious mistakes they made since Clinton. As an additional input, I wish Hillary would just shut the f__k up and retire to Clintonville, AR. She has been really annoying this year.
I'll bet they haven't been back there in years.
I'll bet they're not even welcome there. Only in places like Chappequa or wherever the fuck they reverse carpet-bagged to where NY city scum bag northeastern ivy league educational elite mate and make more trouble for the world.
I'm a little concerned by ZH's apparent pro Kremlin postings.
Though I appreciate hearing both sides, there now seems to be a pattern of bias against the protestors and in favor of Putin, a man not known for human rights and a free media.
Man, are you ever on the wrong board.
you may have misplaced your concern? just sayin'.
Re: pro Kremlin postings
It's very simple. Most people on here don't like Obama (for various reasons, but mostly because he's one of "those people"). Putin has kicked Obama's ass, and in a fair fight with knives he'd win. This means Putin loves gold too, because he's a real man. Obama hates gold because he's a typical liberal girly-man. So, now, knowing all these facts, who side are YOU on?!
Hope this helps.
The only thing more faqed in the head than a liberal is some delusional Christian repub clamiing to be conservative spending twice as much money on getting elected. Who are the biggest warmongers in this country, a bunch of dum arz repubs. Grow up! The red/blue paradigm is the enemy as is religion.
Americas Axis of Evil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Religion-Ignorance-Apathy!!
How the hell can you be Pro-US when out country is run and controlled by criminal gloabalist banksters who do not give a damn about America or Americans? Russia has the same problem we do -only they have twice (1917 and 1991) experienced the tragedy of being ass-raped by these banksters satanic criminals. See how you feel when our turn finally comes around. Go Putin! Go Russia! stand up the the globalist thugs.
first of all, it is not pro putin as much as it is pro multipolar world and anti west aggression. the world operates much more easily when power is checked all around. it keeps the crazies(neocon zionists) under control.
the russian press is apparently much freeer than the western press as the western press is dominated by .1%ers, zionist wackos and .gov propaganda. as for human rights russia is still able to call a spade a spade and that includes denying the gay agenda as a special interest group.
Take a hard look at who controls Ukraine media. All newspapers and TV are OWNED by the Ziionist scourge, much like the US. In fact 2 of the people who have been chosen as interim governors are billionaire owners of media!
Notice how Israel is making major moves in Palestine while the world watches Ukraine!
"The world fought to defeat Nazism, only to be enslaved by Ziionsim"
LOL! Mental midget ain't cha?
it seems that half the Jew haters here fell that Jews control Putin and the other half are responsible for the Ukrainian coup
You're a VIRUS.
Now you have been warned! It's not politically correct to disagree with those who believe in the Jewish conspiracy. You must believe they are behind all problems in the world and every world leader they don't like. One more post like that and it's time for re-education which will consist of you writing "the protocols of the elders of zion is not fake" 90,000 times. Then your head will be right.
I wish Jim Traficant would come back and kick some Zionist ass! Threaten to end welfare checks for Israel, and they will use the DOJ anf IRS to put you in prison. AIPAC should be registered as a Foreign Agent.
Jim Traficant for President!
Think that is what happened to trafficant. he went against 'them' after having been afforded a life of luxury in DC.
Human rights and a free media? Wake up man! Who the hell has that, tell me? Feel free to pile on folks, this guy needs his cherry popped.
Putins ballz have more respect for human rights than the Ziionist controlled shyte hole called the US and Europe. Russia taking out NYC, DC and Tel Aviv would be the BEST thing for the American people!
Most of us here choose not to live our lives with Lloyds cok up our arz. You obviously prefer " security over freedom" faqing traitors pric!
If you and your fellow posters are Merikans, who is the most dangerous to my freedom and life when the SHTF is entirely debateable.
I did not list any cities where real AMERICANS live, no one forces some one to live in an area that in and of itself promotes the downfall of the country and world.
I've many times thought about similar things....cities we could do without. Just 5 or 6 here would redraw the Electoral College for the better.
Sorry but more is better. Others have pointed out that Russia is in full propaganda mode. Uh, yea they are as is the west. You clearly picked up on this and are more informed because of it. If you read any of my posts on this issue in the last couple of weeks you would say I am biased for Russia but nothing could be further from the truth. I don't like my country being a pawn in a globalist blunting of Russia. I don't like war be it asymmetrical as is the case here or symmetrical with real lead flying. I don't like my country stirring up revolutions in multiple countries around the world for someone elses agenda. US interests do not lie in Ukraine, they are globalist interests. And not money, this is for the eventual goal of global, centralized governance and Russia stands in the way. Same with the middle east.
And the protesters, with legitimate grievances, have served their purpose as an instrument for a coup. Which apparently is now legit according to O'Barry and his odd interpretation of international law. If you pull off a coup, you're a legit government now. That is, as long as it suits their purpose. The west/EU/IMF waited for Yanikovich to empty the countries coffers to "intervene". Then they were more than willing to step in and loan them money. Vampires on one side, wolves on the other.
The AIPAC/Global Banking Perspective [The Matrix]: There will be war forever.
What happens to the DOW when Crimea is officially annexed by Russia on March 16th
Unstable regions in Russia?
Visit any medium to large city in the U.S. 48 to 72 hours after EBT cards stop working. You had better duck and learn how to do the low crawl real fast!
Ain't that the zombie truff....
Putin or Kerry: Who’s Delusional?
March 5, 2014
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"..Yet, look what happens when Russia’s President Vladimir Putin does what the U.S. news media should do, i.e. point out that “It’s necessary to recall the actions of the United States in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya, where they acted either without any sanction from the U.N. Security Council or distorted the content of these resolutions, as it happened in Libya. There, as you know, only the right to create a no-fly zone for government aircraft was authorized, and it all ended in the bombing and participation of special forces in group operations.”
Secretary of State John Kerry speaking to the AIPAC conference on March 3, 2014.
Secretary of State John Kerry speaking to the AIPAC conference on March 3, 2014.
Despite the undeniable accuracy of Putin’s observation, he was promptly deemed to have “lost touch with reality,” according to a Washington Post’s editorial, which called his press conference “rambling” and a “bizarre performance” in which his words have “become indistinguishable from the propaganda of his state television network.”
You get the point. If someone notes the disturbing U.S. history of military interventions or describes the troubling narrative behind the “democratic” coup in Ukraine – spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias who overthrew a duly elected president – you are dismissed as crazy." ..
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/05/putin-or-kerry-whos-delusional/
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and then we move on to some other variation of the same thing .....
And I was always so intriqued how the CCCP was so mindful of territorial sovernity of its peoples that the UN gave it what seven votes within the General Assembly including one for Ukraine?
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Yes, I can see how you'd find that fascinating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1Xt3T9ZnY&t=7s
And I though that USA Today/Yahoo News posters were the most proudly ignorant in existence. I stand corrected.
Russian deception and aggression is in its nature:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-01-21/news/1991021068_1_lithuania-...
Soviet protesters condemn army killings in Lithuania
January 21, 1991|By Scott Shane | Scott Shane,Moscow Bureau of The Sun
MOSCOW -- At least 100,000 demonstrators rallied in the snow outside the Kremlin yesterday to protest army killings in Lithuania and to demand the resignation of President Mikhail S. Gorbachev and the hard-line aides with whom they say he is retreating from reform.
The rally ended several hours before Soviet Internal Affairs Ministry riot troops assaulted headquarters of the Latvian Internal Affairs Ministry in Riga, producing a large-scale shootout.
The turnout at the Moscow demonstration, estimated by police at more than 100,000, rivaled the rallies of last February for the title of the biggest non-Communist political gathering in this capital since the 1917 revolution.
The death of 14 people and wounding of 163 when Soviet troops seized Vilnius broadcast facilities a week ago has clearly galvanized the faltering Russian democratic movement.
"Today Lithuania -- Tomorrow Russia," said one poster. "Russia, Get Ready -- War Communism Is Coming," said another. As they marched, they chanted: "Down with the Communist Party," "Dictatorship will not pass!" and "Gorbachev, resign!"
The showing heartened political activists, who said it proved that despite demoralizing food lines and exhaustion with politics, people will not passively accept a slide back to dictatorship.
Despite a Kremlin-directed news media campaign aimed at igniting Russian nationalism against Lithuania's pro-independence leadership, the rally showed that many Russians tie their own democratic aspirations to other republics' independence drives.
Can one of you Russophile/Elders of Zion promoters advise which Department Putin was last assigned?
https://www.fas.org/irp/world/russia/kgb/su0521.htm
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THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE ROLE
OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR STATE SECURITY
The KGB played an important role in furthering Soviet foreign policy objectives abroad. In addition to straightforward intelligence collection and counterintelligence, the KGB participated in the Kremlin's program of active measures. KGB officials also contributed to foreign policy decision making.
Organization
The First Chief Directorate of the KGB was responsible for KGB operations abroad. The longtime head of the First Chief Directorate, Vladimir Kriuchkov, who had served under Andropov and his successors, was named head of the KGB in 1988.
The Second Chief Directorate also played a role in foreign intelligence in 1989. It recruited agents for intelligence purposes from among foreigners stationed in the Soviet Union, and it engaged in counterintelligence by uncovering attempts of foreign intelligence services to recruit Soviet citizens.
First Chief Directorate
The First Chief Directorate was responsible for all international Soviet clandestine activities, apart from military intelligence collection by the GRU and political initiatives of the Communist Party itself.
Illegals Directorate (Directorate S)
Directorate S recruited, trained, and managed KGB officers assigned to foreign countries under false identities. Most of the staff of the Directorate have either served as illegals, or have served abroad under diplomatic cover.
Scientific and Technical Directorate ( Directorate T )
Directorate T was created from the former Department 10 in 1963 to intensify the acquisition of Western strategic, military and industrial technology. By 1972 Directorate T had a headquarters staff of several hundred officers subdivided into four Departments in addition to specialists stationed at major Soviet embassies around the world. The Directorate's operations were coordinated with the scientific and technical collection activities of other KGB elements, and with the the State Scientific and Technical Committee ( GNTK ).
Planning and Analysis Directorate (Directorate I)
Directorate I was established in 1969 to review past operations as a guide to improving future initiatives, although in practice it was said to function more as a dumping-ground for aging or inept officers.
Information Service (Special Service I)
Special Service I was responsible for the correlation and dissemination of routine intelligence collected by the First Chief Directorate, apart from technical intelligence collected and processed by Directorate T. Other related responsibilities included publication of a weekly intelligence summary for Party leaders, briefing officers prior to foreign assignment, conducting special studies at Central Committee direction. The products of the Information Service did not consist of finished estimative intelligence, but rather of raw reports that were provided to senior leaders who drew their own conclusions.
Counterintelligence Service ( Special Service II)
Special Service II was tasked countering foreign intelligence agencies, including penetrating foreign security, intelligence and counter-intelligence services to undermine their effectiveness in countering the activities of the KGB. Special Service II was also responsible for the security officers tasked with monitoring Soviet civilians stationed abroad, including Soviet nationals working as correspondents, trade representatives, Aeroflot clerks, or any other capacity.
Disinformation Department (Department A)
Department A was responsible for clandestine initiatives and campaigns to influence foreign governments and publics, as well to shape perceptions of individuals and groups hostile to Soviet interests. The majority of the Departments activities were implemented by other KGB elements, or other Soviet organizations.
Executive Action Department (Department V)
Department V was responsible for "wet affairs" (mokrie dela) -- murders, kidnappings, and sabotage -- which involve bloodshed. Previously known as the Thirteenth Department or Line F, the Department was enlarged and redesignated in 1969, and tasked with sabotaging critical infrastructure so as to immobilize Western countries during future crises. The Department employed officers stationed in Soviet embassies, illegals stationed abroad, and the services of professional.
Geographic Departments
The operational core of the First Chief Directorate lay in its geographical departments [numbering ten in the early 1970s and growing to eleven by the late 1980s]. The geographic Departments were responsible for the majority of the KGB enterprises abroad. The duties of this department included the staff of KGB "legal" Residencies [rezidenty] in Soviet embassies, operating under legal cover while engaged in intelligence collection, espionage, and active measures, as well as KGB illegals [apart from those operating under assignment from the Executive Action and Disinformation Departments]. They also managed operations initiated through international communist-front organizations, as well as other agent of influence operations.
1st Department
United States and Canada
2nd Department
Latin America
3rd Department
United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and Scandinavia
4th Department
Federal Republic of Germany, Austria
5th Department
France, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Ireland
6th Department
China, North Vietnam, North Korea
7th Department
Japan, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, and the rest of Asia
8th Department
Arab nations, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Greece, Iran, Afghanistan, and Albania
9th Department
English-speaking nations of Africa
10th Department
French-speaking nations of Africa
Other Departments
11th Department
The 11th Department, formerly known as the Advisers Department, conducted liaison with counterpart services in Cuba and Eastern European countries.
12th Department
The 12th [Cover Organs] Department provided KGB personnel with cover jobs in other Soviet institutions, as diplomats, journalists, tourists, or delegates to conferences.
13th Department
The 13th Department provided secure communications with Residencies, officers, and agents in the field.
14th Department
The 14th Department supplied forged passports and other documents, invisible writing materials, incapacitating chemicals, and other technical devices required in Foreign Directorate operations. Specialists in Soviet embassies monitored local communications and provided technical assistance to the Residency.
15th Department
15th Department maintained the operational files and archives of the First Chief Directorate.
16th Department
The 16th Department performed routine personnel functions and recruits prospective staff officers for the First Chief Directorate. Many officer candidates were recruited from the Institutes of International Affairs and Eastern Languages in Moscow.
Sources and Methods
•John Barron KGB The Secret Work of Soviet Secret Agents [Reader's Digest Press, 1974]
•Chapter 19. Internal Security SOVIET UNION - A Country Study Library of Congress Federal Research Division - 1989
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"...you Russophile/Elders of Zion promoters..."
Holy shit, did you just call us antisemites? You went for that label pretty fast. Hard day at work?
Don't pretend the west doesn't like Putin because he's a bad man. We don't like him 'cause he doesn't do what we want. (see "Saddam Hussein", see "Manuel Noriega").
You certainly haven't seen me post anything supportive of the Fed-US Govt dictatorship, but that doesn't mean that the neoSoviet Putin isn't anything but an evil tyrannical cunt.
Falcon wants a cookie...
@falconflight
"you Russophile/Elders of Zion promoters..."
Referring to the general anarchy (good and bad and indifferent) of ZeroHedge with such labels is just setting up a straw man and getting winded punching him out.
I understand what you're saying, but I am Not one to ascribe societal movements and accute international - geo strategic events to a single entity;i.e. Cheesepopes, Zionists, the Jews ect. ad nuaseum (sp).
Yet you call us elders of zion promoters as if that document was real.
Ho ho ho....Kow Tow to Putin! Protecting the poor ethnic Russian seems to be a routine m.o.:
Kremlin may widen crackdown to include Latvia and Estonia January 16, 1991|By New York TimesMOSCOW -- There were growing signs that the Kremlin was preparing to follow up the military crackdown in Lithuania with similar actions in the other Baltic states of Latvia and Estonia.
In the Lithuanian capital of Vilnius the National Salvation Committee, the new pro-Moscow body being used as an apparent front for inviting the Soviet military to intervene, called yesterday for direct rule by President Mikhail Gorbachev.
Similar calls were heard as well in Latvia and Estonia at pro-Moscow rallies organized by Communist Party leaders loyal to Moscow.
In Lithuania, the National Salvation Committee charged that the government, which is led by Lithuanian nationalists, was preparing to "unleash direct military actions" and "pogroms" against pro-Moscow Russians and other residents. Today, Lithuanians were burying 10 victims of last weekend's Soviet military assault.
In Moscow, where the question for some days has been whether the apparent crackdowns came as the result of a Gorbachev order or were in effect forced upon the president, Gorbachev continued to defend the army's actions in the Baltics heatedly.
As he staunchly spoke for the Lithuanian crackdown, he seemed very much the man in charge and hardly a reluctant figurehead.
The Soviet leader also directed anger at Boris N. Yeltsin, the president of Russia, the Soviet Union's largest republic, who has attempted to rally opposition to the Kremlin's Baltic actions.
Yeltsin's suggestion that Russia might need to form its own police force and army units in self-defense was criticized by Gorbachev as a "gross violation" of the law and a "political provocation" that heightens the nation's tension.
Other republics, the Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia and Moldavia have closed ranks behind the Baltics.
Yesterday, Gorbachev leveled criticism of Latvian officials in a way that some took as a signal that a crackdown in their republic might be next.
The Kremlin clearly sought to bolster the case for direct rule by Gorbachev in the republics by presenting an extensive television news dispatch in which central authorities claimed to have intercepted secret coded instructions for a Lithuanian military plot against Communist and Soviet authorities.
The charge echoed some of the pretexts of past Kremlin military interventions in Afghanistan, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.
The net effect was to suggest that advance justification was being laid by the Gorbachev government for some major new Kremlin action.
In the face of this, the Lithuanian independence government focused on making a last defensive stand in Vilnius, building a 15-foot deep trench around the Parliament building and 5-foot-high concrete barriers against a feared attack by Soviet tanks.
Looks like a mission poster is coming unraveled.
You're not intellectually motivated enough to post here...your name is being called at CNN.
Nice work TFS. This guy has a hatred for Putin and those who don't support Ukranian neonazis LIKE IT'S HIS JOB.
An enemy of mine enemy Isn't necessarily a friend of mine...just ask the Poles.
See 'ya Crimea.
just seeing if i can post a comment with IE, firefox locks up every single time i post a comment.
Turn off the adds (add block plus or something). worked miracles for me on Firefox.
and stop scripts, too. Firefox ok for me here now.
I'm having the same problem with FF and TOR today
Maybe Col. Sgt. Pooptin was assigned here:
Divide and Conquer: The KGB disinformation campaign against Ukrainians and Jews
Ukrainian Quarterly
Fall 2004 | PAPERS & STUDIES
Source : Ukrainian Quarterly
Introduction
The Soviet regime had a serious image problem in the 1970s and ‘80s. While the communist propaganda apparatus was trying to present Soviet Russia as a normal peaceful state, in the United States and other free countries, people of Ukrainian, Jewish and Baltic origin were working together to expose the repressive and imperialist nature of the communist dictatorship. They picketed Soviet embassies, provided the press with names of prisoners in the Soviet Gulag and demanded freedom for the peoples of the Soviet empire.
The Politburo of the Soviet Communist Party assigned the KGB to solve this problem. The Soviet secret police and intelligence service had a long history of using disinformation to discredit political opponents. After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Leonid Shabarshin, who formerly headed the First Chief Directorate (Foreign Intelligence) of the KGB, explained to the Moscow newspaper Trud that one of the jobs of the KGB was disinformation for "compromising ‘anti-Soviets.'"
Much more available here:
http://www.iwp.edu/news_publications/detail/divide-and-conquer-the-kgb-d...
So we stole the Soviet game plan?
Piss Putin off and just maybe Russia, China and others can coordinated dumping of $16 trillion of US fiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LSHdkaCLOA&list=UUG-G8LLr38fQUNZU8K0t-EA
That's exactly what the US wants, so they can introduce the "new dollar" without being blamed.
Russia and China will never go anywhere because they act as victims. Instead of taking care of their own people they try to compete with the West, being suckered in. This time they will do the dirty job again, dumping the $ and thinking the outcome will be good for them.
Russian and Chinese oligargs move to the West for a reason... The real money is over here, debt is left at home...
This is not going to be contained to the Ukraine. If the West wants to create war in the Ukraine then look for Russian instigated trouble in other regions sensitive for the west....say Saudi.
And will China stay out of the occasion if the West pushes too far, since it knows it will be the next in line for game playing. Better they join with Russia now.
This will escelate quickly in critical areas for the west, and the USA and Europe will quickly need to sober up.
Also..Will have to laugh if Europe and the US lose control...and those neo nazis in their last throws blow a bunch of pipelines.....look for a severe spike in oil and gas prices globally as the over reaction.....
Maybe one-tenth of what is going on behind the scenes is actually being reported, here or anywhere else.
When the bank fucks want their war profiteering, they will gin up their war.
And it probably won't look like anything we are expecting.
Crimea is probably an engineered sideshow.
for your consideration... from Gaelic Scotland...
An Eala Bhàn - The White Swan by Julie Fowlis (with lyrics)[re julie fowlis]
John and Yoko never did it for me...
Looting of Ukraine Has Begun
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/06/looting-ukraine-begun/
This is the rational insight that we all need to see - about the realistic consequences to the people targeted by political machinations.
Putin, Obama and new Ukranian goverment play prescripted scenario.
1. Putin moves with conditions undoable, threatening with war
2. Obama draws red lines
3. Finally Ukranian-Russian negotiations brokered by Obama will lead to "war avoidance" exchanged for Crimea and no NATO contingent in Ukraine.
4. Everyone is happy.
This time it is not about gas or NATO, it is about Crimea, which is historic and additionally strategic piece of land Russia wants.
The reader should be aware the 'Moscow Times' is in full propoganda mode for the state right now. That said, Russia strategically is integrated with east Ukraine and will likely keep Crimea. I love my country the US but I have to admit it is hard to take the moral high ground when we have invaded and fought wars in so many countries that I can not remember when we have not been at war with some distant country I do not care about. I wish everyone over there a good outcome. One bizar bit of news my Russian and Ukranian employees are teling me is that Moscow news is showing pictures of supposed US troops marching in Kiev. She told me the pictures were clearly not american if you looked at them for several rasons such as there were no black or tan faces and the uniforms were non idetifiable. When Russian propoganda is that thin they (Putin) is very high strung.
"The reader should be aware the 'Moscow Times' is in full propoganda mode for the state right now".
We get it. The west is in full propaganda, dis-info mode as well.
Okay... one more time for the record:
There will be NO WAR in the Ukraine.
I said it about Syria...
I said it about Iran...
I come here to ZH to get my laughs and to make bold predictions of non-events. The laughs come mostly because most of those who comment here are very funny people.. the people I would like to hang around with and discuss the ridiculousness of finance and the world in general.... a "failblog" for economic hilarity.
The bold predictions of non-events are because I'm pretty certain that there will never be another major war on this planet. The reptiles have lost their mojo. They no longer have the power to do as they wish. So they create all of this fear porn, replete with saber-rattling and strong words... booga booga. This is designed to keep you in a constant state of low vibration. That's just what I think. I could be wrong.
Has anyone noticed that we are currently in of the most peaceful period of history that the world has seen in the last 10,000 years? I mean... can someone name a place where one country is currently dropping massive bombs and burning cities of another country as they go? This used to be commonplace, but I don't see that anymore. Not to say that there aren't some internal conflicts going on, but not on the scale that it used to be. Welcome to the most peaceful period in human history.
Fear-porn mongers can begin down-arrowing in 1... 2... 3...
"... the Chinese government regards Washington as an insane asylum. They think they’re completely insane..."
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/3/5_Pau...
War is subversive now. There are no bombs taking out buildings besides local quarrels in Turkey, Ukraine, Lebanon, Venezuela, Argentina, Thailand, Greece, Egypt....etc. The war is silent and erodes at the peace subtely. One day, you will awake and the broke nation you live within will need a favor. They will need a loan....just a little something to help them out as they are in need and, well, you've got some extra. In fact, let's help you and place your funds under the control of your loving caretakers. Go to a bar, enjoy your peace. Have a scotch and a cigar and look at the other schlubs who blissfully waltz through the quiet takeover of your most basic freedoms. Sleep. You're special. I'll even up vote you Mr. HighGround. You're worth it.
I completely understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to say that I know everything about how the world works. And I'm not asleep. I recognize that the situation is far from perfect. I'm just making an observation which I think too often gets lost in the rhetoric of fear mongering. It's a point worth considering, and I'm happy to make it.
The peace is also silent, as evinced by the total lack of perspective on this point. I sometimes think that people would prefer to see the negative side of things without taking into account that there are a lot of positive changes being effected. And I don't think that the darkness will win.
And yes... I AM special. And so are you. Why not?
Thanks for the upvote, too... I didn't expect to get any. :D
Lord how I love linear thinking.
Yeah, I know... it's pretty shabby logic to think that because A and B did not happen, C will not happen either.
But let's just see what happens, and if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. Fair enough?
As GC always says
When the Money stops flowing in the streets, blood starts flowing in the streets.
I guess thats why Obombo wants to loan them a Billion for starters. To repair the damage done created by the State Department.
Rut Roh. "Mexico claims Spanish speaking Americans under threat from US government.". Holey moley, look out!
And by Barry's logic if the cartels over throw the Mexican or American government then they are legit according to international law.
Time for Putin to write another op-ed. No balance to the story over here.
Just as a point of information, *has* there actually been any kind of de facto or de jure harassment of Russian-speakers in Ukraine, now, twenty years ago, or a hundred years ago?
Or is it like the harassment someone from Mississippi might expect if they move to Alabama?
What is this nonsense? Another editorial from Moscow?
That you are writing from the point of view that Ukraine is a threat to Russia, is a pathetic and transparent joke. Ukraine is smaller, poorer, has no military to speak of compared to Russia.
It's just as Russia treated Georgia as a threat - you are kidding, right? Georgia is smaller than Leningrad Oblast.
If the West after the collapse of the Soviet Union had not seek out to destroy Russia even more when they sent in the cowboy capitalists but instead reformed Russia in a wise way then we would have now of this. Jeffrey Sachs once admitted that it was the policy to bring down Russia even further with the transition to a market by selling off state assets that were worth billions for millions to the likes of these well known oligarchs who at the time were just little guys. These then either took big loans with the assets as collatarol and then let the assets go belly up and make the loans dissapear, or they broke up the assets, kept what they could use and sell off and let the rest rot away. Many people lost their jobs that way. This 'model' has been repeated over and over in Eastern Europe as well.
I heard stories that they put the names of companies on pieces of paper, put them on the table, switch off the light, swirl the papers around and let people ('investors') grab for them. When the light was switched on again, what you had in your hand was what you owned.
Russia after the collapse lost 40% of its GDP and poverty rate went from 2% to 25%. The bear has not forgotten that.
Yes Russia remembers and revenge is best served cold. The US UK Saudi Zionst terror cells will be a challenge though. IMHO operation overthrow Ukraine was bought forward due to the success of Syria with Russian / Iranian help to foil the Ghouta Chemical Attack False Flag. The US UK Saudi Zionst muppets wanted Syria gone a long time ago. Ouch. BTW on the Ghouta Chemical Attack Wikipedia article the USA intel agent editing who writes pro USA is named 'Kudzu1'.
So will their speeded up agenda in Ukraine backfire?
Oooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....the US could've stopped wth world wide gerrymandering and taken care of business at home.
"The current crisis is not about Crimea. It is about the rights of Russian-speakers throughout Ukraine whom the Kremlin wants to protect from violence and discrimination."
Is ZH becoming the new RT? This article was obviously posted by a pro-Russian author.
No "Russian speaker" has been threatened, the threats are coming from Russia, not the other way around.
If Russian speakers outside of Russia want "safety" they could move to Russia. Or, they could learn the language of their host country and integrate. Can you imagine the "Arab speakers" in the UK feeling "threatened" and having Saudi Arabia send in an army?
Russia is the biggest country in the world, there is plenty of space for all Russian speakers.
So far for the argument of the author.
Other than that, no side is innocent, it's just another game being played between power hungry psycho world leaders and their oligarg backers. The people will end up paying the price, as always.
So? The source is well mentioned. People can make their own conclusions.
Your comparison with the Arabs in the UK does not hold, as usual with these kind of equations of situations which are different. It is a form of false reasoning. No one is forcing them to integrate and to 'learn the language' in the first place anyway.
The history of Ukraine is a complicated one and Russians have always been present in the region. So they should just pack up and leave? That would be true for many people and nations around the world.
Yup, that would be true indeed. And it should be true.
Enough with the idiocy, pack up and leave, move to the country where you feel at home, learn the language, integrate.
If you are from America then either learn Hopi or pack your bags and go back to Europe. Except, they don't want you there.
Smart, but pointless remark, and you know it.
TPTB have you all in the same camp now... the "anti-zionists" now firmly defend Russia, while all sides want the same: one world, one government, and all people happily living next to each other, a tower of babel...
Well, it's not gonna happen.
What needs to happen is that people move to the country where they feel they belong, learn the language and customs, and stop bothering other countries.
they won't learn the language, they won't integrate but they won't move back to russia because some previous soviet states have higher standard of living than russia(not true with ukraine, it's piss poor), are part of the eu and have the rule of law. even if they hate west and eu, they still want to take advantage of it.
can any of you imagine US with one major minority of 35% who's not willing to integrate?
There are only two sides to TAKE your either a ZIO-BITCH or your not,
So you saying that ZH should be a ZIO-BITCH just like every other source of info on the planet?
Shouldn't there be just one place that FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION shall exist?
Nobody is stopping you from dump your PRO ZIO SHIT on ZH.
Aha, you're for us or against us, right? I see the MSN have you deep in their pockets...
Why ignore the real facts, US spent $5 billion to destabilize the former gov in Kiev as we know from Asst Sec State Nuland's remarks. Another act of regime change and meddling by the US gov. under the guise of "freedom for Ukraine" but really doing this to expand NATO. Who gave NATO the right to keep the cold war going by pressuring Russia through Georgia and Ukraine? It is like placing razor blades in the Halloween candy. The incompetence of the US gov is astounding. Any fool who has spent any time in Ukraine would know that there are huge divisions within the west and the east, and Crimea has been looking for an excuse to have more connection to Russia. There is evidence to suggest that the shooters at Independence Square, which is now called the Maiden were paid and organized by members of the new government. Americans need to ask themselves, do they really support destabilization of countries as has been done in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and then the war torn countries of Iraq, and Afghanistan, and no Ukraine? When will the madness stop, will you support provoking China for the next crisis? The hypocrisy of the US go not to recognize a referendum for Crimea to succeed is ridiculous. Will you sanction Quebec or Scotland if they vote to leave their unions? And the EU, how is it they support overthrow of Governments yet tell people in the north of Spain to behave who also want to separate. The leaders and their minions have no sense at all. The entirety of the fault of this mess belong to EU and USA with their desire to box in Russia with NATO ( join EU means join NATO) well what result did you expect? Russia to sit by while you meddle away? There is a good reason that Putin kicked out your NGO's. The largest threat to world security is the USA. This is largest foreign relations blunder going back a long ways. Now half of the population of Ukraine wants to split and is non too happy with the EU and USA as they know what is going on.
Why ignore the real facts, US spent $5 billion to destabilize the former gov in Kiev as we know from Asst Sec State Nuland's remarks. Another act of regime change and meddling by the US gov. under the guise of "freedom for Ukraine" but really doing this to expand NATO. Who gave NATO the right to keep the cold war going by pressuring Russia through Georgia and Ukraine? It is like placing razor blades in the Halloween candy. The incompetence of the US gov is astounding. Any fool who has spent any time in Ukraine would know that there are huge divisions within the west and the east, and Crimea has been looking for an excuse to have more connection to Russia. There is evidence to suggest that the shooters at Independence Square, which is now called the Maiden were paid and organized by members of the new government. Americans need to ask themselves, do they really support destabilization of countries as has been done in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and then the war torn countries of Iraq, and Afghanistan, and no Ukraine? When will the madness stop, will you support provoking China for the next crisis? The hypocrisy of the US go not to recognize a referendum for Crimea to succeed is ridiculous. Will you sanction Quebec or Scotland if they vote to leave their unions? And the EU, how is it they support overthrow of Governments yet tell people in the north of Spain to behave who also want to separate. The leaders and their minions have no sense at all. The entirety of the fault of this mess belong to EU and USA with their desire to box in Russia with NATO ( join EU means join NATO) well what result did you expect? Russia to sit by while you meddle away? There is a good reason that Putin kicked out your NGO's. The largest threat to world security is the USA. This is largest foreign relations blunder going back a long ways. Now half of the population of Ukraine wants to split and is non too happy with the EU and USA as they know what is going on.
Well look at this way Zio-neo-con controls the US-MIL, and they control the ZATO, thus they control the EUROPE and the USA if they can pull this off, and they can extract USD and EURO.
Think of it this way, ZIO- wants the FULL FIAT to infinite that it has in USA, and wants that same power in EUROPE. It will kill everyone to get it.
Probably made a deal with GERMANY, hey if we give you Take Ukraine and support you, ... then you OK unlimited FIAT for the EURO,... just enough CARROTS (Saudi Oil) to create a Federal Reserve of Europe, and just enough STicks(ZATO).
JPOST Says OBAMA NOT TAKE SIDES ...
Holy fucking shit its getting SPOOKY, ... now J-POST is saying the OBAMA not take sides, as if the KIEV side wasn't already in USA/ISRAEL hands,...
So now the J-POST official story is that KIEV is a soveriegn country, and that that Israel is saying that USA should support K or R?
Fucking mind fucking ... Keiv lost their Soveriegnty when Israel sent its sniper team to overthrow the GUBMINT, but in JpostTalk, that's not TAKING SIDEs
Foreign Affairs: Does America have to take sides in the Ukrainian crisis? Jerusalem Post - 28 minutes ago Russia's problematic conduct does not excuse confusing Putin's nationalism with imperialism, and Ukraine's nationalism with democracy.WAR is on RT now
I bet that gave that BITCH yesterday $10 MILLION USD FIAT to do her circus act.
There is a lot of hostility about RT on ZH, but lets look at the FACT RT is the ONLY source for ALT, everybody else is doing the PRO Netanyahoo Con Job.
So its refreshing that ZH offer ALT in this era of one sided urnalism.
Anybody that doesn't want RT, can read Jpost.com and get the MSM story for tomorrow, today.
Ur silly
Yes Russia remembers the betrayal of the Oligarchs, and revenge is best served cold. The US UK Saudi Zionst terror cells will be a challenge though. IMHO operation overthrow Ukraine was bought forward due to the success of Syria with Russian / Iranian help to foil the Ghouta Chemical Attack False Flag. The US UK Saudi Zionst muppets wanted Syria gone a long time ago. Ouch. BTW on the Ghouta Chemical Attack Wikipedia article the USA intel agent editing who writes pro USA is named 'Kudzu1'.
So will their speeded up agenda in Ukraine backfire?
Bullshit prevails once more from this Sergei Markov of The Moscow Times, wanker. It has nothing at all to do with any of his bullshitting theory. It has to do with protecting the borders of Russia from the EU/NATO/US coalition. No more, no less. This twat sounds like a jewish shill to me.
This is New
A country that is only a stage where two opposing opponents will do battle...battle.....battle
In the Left Corner representing Russia Vladimir Putin
and in the right Corner representing Fraud, Manulation, Corruption and Zionism Barack Hussein Obama
Lets get rrrrrrready to rrrrrumble
The reality of today's world summarized :
Oil situation :
http://iiscn.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jlliquidsworld.jpg
Leading to :
http://iiscn.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/bp-oil-price-2013.jpg
In other words current crisis is primarily a monstruous oil shock, and only the beginning.
Reminder :
Contrary to the legend on the above graph (barrel price), the first oil shock was much more the direct consequence of US 1970 oil production peak :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/US_Oil_Production_and_Imports_1920_to_2005.png
Associated to the rebalance of barrels revenues between majors and countries, and dropping of B Woods in 71 and associated $ devaluation.
The "embargo" an epiphenomenon, very limited, lasted 3 months, but pratical to hide US peak and "put the blame" on "the Arabs".
Geopolitical summary :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Seal_of_United_States_Central_Command.png/768px-Seal_of_United_States_Central_Command.png
Seen from a Russian geopolitical standpoint Poland and Germany look to be pursuing their 1934 objective of threatening the "Near Abroad" and the fears of Western attack on the Russian Homeland which made Stalin's paranoia require the Central european buffer states and a divided or united neutral Germany.
In terms of Russian history it looks as if Germany is pursuing Drang Nach Osten with US backing with the US trying to drive Russia out of warm-water ports and put airbases in Bugaria, Lithuania, Romania and Turkey.
The positioning of F16s in Poland and F15s in Lithuania makes Gorbachev's Agreements with Reagan look like betrayal, and now the USAF wants to probre Russian Air Defence Systems or cause a provocation.
If the US does not watch out Poland will lead it into the kind of war we had in Europe a century ago, especially with Erdogan's corrupt dictatorship collapsing in Turkey.
If the Us stumbles into war with Russia it will be a green light for China to take out Japan and India to deal with Pakistan then the US can watch Imperial Overstretch as Britain saw it in 1938 facing Germany, Italy and Japan with no allies and a Navy gutted by the Treaty of Washington.
The analogies with Hitler do not flow as politicians think - Hitler was right to protect Germans in Sudetenland - it had been German policy on Occupied Territories since 1919.....it was the Samantha Power Doctrine......the Benes Decrees came postwar but the intention was pre-1938 to ethnically cleanse Germans in the Austro-Hungarian empire from their homes in Poland and in Czechoslovakia created at the whim of Woodrow Wilson......a US President who came late to the war and decided as banker to the Allies to dictate terms without the Germans ever being involved in negotiations but presented with a document to sign or face the continuing British Naval Blockade causing mass-starvation in Germany
This is such a biased article!
"The Klitschko brothers acquired the West for themselves, now their agency shall acquire the East for You."
Big Business - secret Klitschko-Papers HERE:
http://homment.com/klitschko-eng
Putins old advisor suggests this is on track for another world war !!! watch the presenters freak out http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000253729
Hard to believe there will be a war when all the West seems to be doing is simply rolling over and letting Ras_Putin do what he likes.
so both sides want to "install" a political solution on a divided group. why can't the people simply choose? why does any "solution" have to be imposed?
Because;
1. The people are unarmed.
2. Even if armed - they are not well armed, and they are not trained.
3. The people are generally politically illiterate.
4. The people are unable to critically think, due to ignorance and lack of training in critical thought.
5. The people have abandoned their civic duty to excersise political and legal powers.
6. The stakes are high, external interference is guaranteed - control of Ukraine can be leveraged into control of Russian resources.
The first 5 points are the reality almost everywhere - this is by design, and while these conditions exist then deceitful cabals will control and enslave people everywhere.
Get well armed, trained, politically literate, learn to critically think and then excersise political and legal powers against the injustice of the state - then at least you are no longer part of the problem.
one point you left out is independent media. i would say it's the most important of them all and would affect all of the previous points. people can't make calculated decisions when they are not informed. it's worse, they are very well misinformed, so everything they rally or vote for is against their own wellbeing and freedoms. everything starts from the accurate picture of the reality.
Before we get too far into the crystal ball and russian doubletalk wouldnt' it be ncie to see the transcript fo the putin obama hour plus phone call. russia has a strategic military interest in the navy base in crimeaanwill not give it up.Beyond that Ukraine is a corrupt shithole.... Energy is the crux of putin's leverage. We have the ability wothout any snctions to undercut his source of income, IF WE EXPORT ENERGY... SO WHY IS THE ANNOINTED ONE HESITATING? WHY, BECAUSE HE AND PUTIN HAVE A SECRET AGREEMENT ALREADY IN PLACE.. THAT'S WHY COMRADE.
ill tell you this: I trust RT far more than i do CNN and other war-industry related mainstream media----the US MSM is as apeshit over going to war as they were with the fictional "WMD" rationalized war in Iraq-and wow-the same gang of buffoons and idiots is behind all this-when are you gonna learn? All the ZIO-CONS want is our wallets, and their oil
RT has deployed exceptional strategy! for years they have spoken truth about the affairs in america et al and by doing that they gained the trust of critically thinking americans. it's also one of my main media sources but when it comes to russian internal/foreign affairs it's complete propaganda. regardlessly, it's proven to be extremely successful because there are enough gullible who forget the simple truth that state media is as much propaganda as much government is corrupt. i guess only differences between me and some of you optimists here is that i have lived in soviet state and still live side by side with russians. i'm familiar with russian mentality and it has nothing in common with (real) american values which i personally respect.
There won't be a war simply because Ukraine is not equipped for a war with Russia and they know that there is no way the West will get directly involved in a military confrontation with Russia. Russia has no need to launch a military strike having already announced that they will do so if the safety of ethnic Russians in Ukraine is threatened.
Crimea is effectively Russian territory, but Russia will be in no hurry to ratify Crimea's accession to Russia, at least until the attention shifts away from this. Russia will not recognise the government in Ukraine, a key Western demand, until after the legislative elections. The West has to make good on its threats of sanctions against Russia and Russia on its promises of retaliatory action of dumping the US$.
Before anyone realises it, there will be a non-Western international trade currency against which all Western currencies will start dropping like rocks. The ensuing financial turmoil in the West will ensure that the West will be unable to make good on any of the promises of financial assistance they made to Ukraine. If this happens quickly enough, Ukrainians might realise who they should side with in their own interests and act accordingly in the legislative elections. In the worst case, the Ukrainian lackeys of the bankrupt West may have one full term, after which it will be replaced by more sensible fellows. Russia would have won Ukraine over without firing a single bullet.
I never tire of watching these Russian Shkval cavitation torpedoes fly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDEnhtrjR3U