Martin Armstrong: Obama "Using Same Nonsense As Putin"

Tyler Durden's picture

Via Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics blog,

For Obama to claim that a public vote in Crimea would violate the Constitution of Ukraine and International Law is really just as absurd that the same argument put forth by Putin that nothing in Kiev was legal because it was not signed by Yanukovych. There should be a vote, but it should be monitored independently to ensure it is real. To argue that no state may move to secede from a federal government is ridiculous. Obama said:

“Any discussion about the future of Ukraine must include the legitimate government of Ukraine. In 2014, we are well beyond the days when borders can be redrawn over the heads of democratic leaders.”

Texas has the ABSOLUTE right to secede from the United States if it so desired and the Washington has no right to invade Texas to prevent that – although they too would in the blink-of-an-eye. There are no “democratic” leaders in Kiev as of yet because this is a grass-roots uprising that distrusts anyone who has EVER been in government before.

Meanwhile, you cannot say the people have no right to decide their own fate because this violates the will of “democratic” leaders. No elected official has the right to trump the wishes of the people and let us call a spade a spade – the EU suppresses the right to vote because they are afraid the people in Europe would vote against the euro. The EU interfered with Italian elections and it threatened Georgios Papandreou of Greece that it was NOT ALLOWED to allow the people to vote on staying in the Euro. Greece back-down and did not allow that to take place – so much for democratic ideals.

Let the people decide and YES we can redraw the borders if the PEOPLE so desire. If splitting Ukraine PREVENTS war – then so be it. The word for “slave” in Latin is “servus” and that is the root of public servant. Politicians should remember they are NOT the dictators of the people, but the servants of the people. There can never be any justification to deny the people the right to be heard. That is the oldest right...

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nmewn's picture

This is some constitutional law type professorial stuff here ;-)

The Vineyard's picture

Obama and Putin are both a couple of fags.  They should invite each other to prom.  Bitches.

Bonapartist's picture

Quit pimping your stupid fucking blog. For anyone with 1/2 a brain that wants to understand what's going on over there read what Pat Buchanan had to say today about the situation. These fucking Neocons and their Zionist dreams will be the death of the whole planet. I hope Putin sticks it up their asses and breaks it off.

Protokletos's picture

I just read up on what Buchanan has written over the past few days--and you're right.  It's definitely the most level-headed and rational argument I've heard from any political commentator.  Don't think I have enough faith in Obama, Hillary, and the gang to pull through with the pragmatism here though.  

Bonapartist's picture

I really believe that Buchanan is the last true conservative left in the US- the rest are just pretenders. 

indygo55's picture

"I really believe that Buchanan is the last true conservative left in the US- the rest are just pretenders. "

If he speaks, he has been allowed.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Buchanan is a dinosaur, he's been out of power for over twenty years. I'm sure the PTB consider him irrelevant.

Bonapartist's picture

Sure shithead- you prefer RINOs like Cruz , an Obammy/Cliton worshipper or just a nihilist? And no- I'm not a red/blue teamer.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Au contraire, I think Buchanan is fucking awesome. The point I was making was that the DemoPublicans don't pay any attention to him because he is on the outside of the system now.

chumbawamba's picture

Both of you STFU.  Like dude above said, if he's allowed to speak he's part of the team.  I seen Buchanan flop back and forth on principals enough times to know he's just a paid actor, that's all.  None of these fucking idiots has any "level-headed argument".  It's just what makes him look good to say until his masters tell him to say different.

I am Chumbawamba.

new game's picture

If i say poliafuckentician, does than get through. an elected leader that would do the peoples will is an impossiblity.

the majority are not informed and can not be informed. can not be informed as the system does not allow.

consider yourself lucky just to be reading ZH - thank your parents :)

GetZeeGold's picture




Myself and my fellow countrymen in flyover country would like to secede from the US.


Don't worry.....we'll send food if we feel like it.

ImReady's picture

If Texas seceeded. I'd load up a truck with my guns, gold, and food and head south from the communist state of IL.

Uncle Remus's picture

Assuming you survive MO, KS & OK.

Manthong's picture

Bigger truck with gun ports?

.. need room for the tools, the dog and maybe the wife.

(just kidding)

lasvegaspersona's picture


I doubt that...those of us who have the intellegence to leave IL have done so already...and long ago...only prisoners of the system or those with family ties remain in that freezing hell hole of Daley/Obama/ (fill in current former governor now in prison of choice).

ImReady's picture

Some of us producers(despite .gov's attempt to tax us to oblivion) have business' built with decades of sweat. I'm not ready to give that up...yet. 

Uncle Remus's picture

Well, the planet preferably, but there's those pesky logistics issues...

wallstreetaposteriori's picture

better than looking at foneystars posts about shitcoin.

lasvegaspersona's picture


to call Cruz a RINO is moronic...he is the opposite of a RINO. Cruz is the real, pro-gun, anti-tax anti big government. 

RINO is what you call a liberal running with an R after their name. They are tolerated only if they come from states that cannot be won by a real conservative. Buchanan is what I would called conservative straight...not much libertarian in his ideas especially foreign policy.

The basis of conservatism is adherence to the Constitution. I will accept coaition with anyone who shares that belief regardless of religious beliefs or whether they are pro American boosters or not. All modern Democrats fail that test. Many republicans do too. THEY are called RINOs. Cruz is not a RINO.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

And that is the point once you've been relegated to irrelevant you can speak the truth in the mainstream. It is not like anyone will listen who matters to them in the first place. The confirmation bias has already been established with the weak minded and controllable types.

You see Randy Dandy Paul speaking on the constitutional issue at all no he is too busy playing prom queen, Ron on the other hand needs to stop teaching kindergarten level liberty to adults with his noninterventionalist stance but brings no substance or context to it in relation to the Ukraine. It is morally indiginant airhead fluff like that Liz Wahl huffy puffy fit. He sounds like pre-written soundbite these days. Fire bad, everyone gets it. Can we evolve the teaching to at least grade school/high school level liberty and leave the kindergarten stuff to the younger ones.

Crawdaddy's picture

Opus Dei vs Jesuits. Buchanan vs McLaughlin (of PBS). Fake enemies (from an outsider view) but mortal enemies (as they see each other) in their world view. We are ensnared in their bullshit all across the world

Bonapartist's picture

Sure- they run the world- that's why there have been so many Catholics that have been head of the Fed. Go read another Dan Brown book.

BoNeSxxx's picture

And the Jesuits don't run the Vatican? 

Crawdaddy's picture

Ah I get it. Its the jews in figurehead positions that are in charge. Blame the puppets and ignore the puppet masters. The search is over. Thanks for clearing that up.

I could give a shit about Dan Brown or his stupid books glorifying freemasons. There is actually a jewish angle to the NWO but it isn't a connection mentioned on the five o'clock news.. The holy land is central to the NWO.




Bonapartist's picture

Thanks for reprinting my words- I forgot what I said. When you click "reply" to a post that means that you don't have to reprint the whole fucking post that you are "replying" to genius.

Stackers's picture

The powers not delegated by the Constitution are reserved to the people

chumbawamba's picture

Except for those seized by the Federal corporation during Reconstruction.

I am Chumbawamba.

new game's picture

Idealisticly yes, reality-they do what they want. and so do I, within reason...

fuck em...

philipat's picture

Agreed. Poor little Martin Armstrong who was sent to prison on "False accusations" so must be credible. I think he has totally lost the plot.

palmereldritch's picture

This excerpt from the article clearly underlines his vapidity:

There are no “democratic” leaders in Kiev as of yet because this is a grass-roots uprising that distrusts anyone who has EVER been in government before.

That line is is either one of the stupidest comments ever or it is missing a sarc tag requiring a commensurate font size so large that it would be impossible to produce.

How is the reader average rating on an article containing such a boner a +4?  Just because it regurgitates accepted common law and the right of self determination to shield delivery of that disinfo turd?

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

You're an idiot who knows nothing about Ukraine. If you had ever talked to an actual Ukrainian on the street, you would understand the frustration they have been subjected to due to the massive corruption and utter disfunction of their county for the better part of an entire century. They have gigantic tracts of the richest farmland on earth, yet they have nothing to show for it. Think that might indicate a problem??

palmereldritch's picture

That's definitely a problem.

So is the utter lack of understanding of what really happened on the ground in the Ukraine as demonstrated by Armstrong in his statement and probably as demonstrated by the repeated victimization of the Ukrainian people by what is happening to them now and clearly as demonstrated by by your idiotic assumption.

I have not been to the Ukraine myself but I can read:

Can you?

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

You've proved my point. Get back to me when you've actually spent some time there.

You see, the nifty thing about Martin Armstrong is, he has actual well-placed sources developed over decades that he can rely on to give him first-hand information on the ground. And, given the fact that in this particular case, his information jibes with my own impressions formed when I was actually there, makes him even more credible.

palmereldritch's picture

You're a fast reader.  Please feel free to expound on how my links did not undercut Armstrong's absurd contention.  This is not a travelogue.

ThirdWorldDude's picture

Here's the same line again:

"There are no “democratic” leaders in Kiev as of yet because this is a grass-roots uprising that distrusts anyone who has EVER been in government before."

Now tell me shithead, how does Yulia Timoschenko fit into that description? Keep on eating MSM's propaganda... Garbage in, garbage out.

Bonapartist's picture

 if you care so much hurry on over and kick some ass John Wayne- just leave us out of it.

TheSilverJournal's picture

He doesn't even know who's ass he would be kicking.

shovelhead's picture

Not true.

They will always have Chernobyl.

TheSilverJournal's picture

The vote in Crimea was after Crimea was occupied by Russia. You'd be pretty dumb to vote "NO" to getting taken over by Russia in that situation, knowing that Crimea is doomed to become part of Russia regardless...unless you really enjoy death through ricin.

Anusocracy's picture

Jesus are you ever fucking stupid.

Another Douglas Feith Dumbest Fuck On Earth contender.

TheSilverJournal's picture

Thanks for making a great argument. You sound like a terrific human being. I bet everyone around is just so greatful.

indygo55's picture

"Another Douglas Feith Dumbest Fuck On Earth contender."

I logged in just to say,,, Yeah!

TheSilverJournal's picture

Yeah! Crimea didn't just secede. Crimea is now a part of Russia. And Russia is not done. Putin doesn't give a fuck...he's just getting started.

TheSilverJournal's picture

Maybe everyone here missed the fact that there are 30,000 Russian troops in Crimea. No matter the vote, Crimea is now essentially Russia. This is not a Crimean movement, this is a Russian invasion. Ukraine fairly voted out their ruler and Russia saw and took their chance to invade.

Anyway, who really gives a hoot. This is just a distraction from the coming market crash. The political will is needed in order to stop the taper and increase QE, and that political will will only be found when the market crashes. In order to divert attention away from the dump and pump, we have good 'ole fashion war and posturing going on...someone else to point the finger at as to why the market's acting so crazy and why we need more QE. This is just the beginning of the shenanigans and as the world currency crisis accelerates, the shenanigans will accelerate.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

You do realize that, by treaty with Ukraine, the Russians are allowed to keep a rather substantial contingent of troops in Crimea? So this "invasion" is mostly just Russia actually moving the troops into Crimea that they are already legally allowed to have there?

TheSilverJournal's picture

How many troops were in Crimea a week ago and how many troops are there today?

Chalk it up as you may, but Russia just took over Crimea...which is an invasion.

silvermail's picture
  Invasion? But Russia is learning democracy from the U.S.. What Russia did wrong?
TheSilverJournal's picture

Just because one country did something aweful doesn't mean it's okay for another country to also do something aweful.

All ya'll are acting like Russia is there to help protect Crimea from Ukraine. That's a fun thought, except Russia is just going to swallow up Crimea. And they're going to move on to take the eastern half of Ukraine too.