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Guest Post: Is US Losing The New Cold War?

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Authored by Kristina Wong and Jeremy Herb, originally posted at The Hill,

If there is a new cold war with Russia, many observers believe the U.S. is losing it.

First under President George W. Bush and now under President Obama, the U.S. and Vladimir Putin’s Russia have engaged in a series of foreign policy battles — and Putin has repeatedly got his way.

The Russian president’s objective is clear. He wants to reassert Russia’s influence in Eastern Europe while preventing NATO’s further expansion toward Russia, said Erik Brattberg, a resident fellow at the Atlantic Council.

Diplomatic fights over Syria in 2013 and Russian’s military clash with Georgia in 2008 have given Putin confidence in the current fight over Russia’s invasion of Crimea, a region in eastern Ukraine with long ties to Moscow. 

“He's counting that there would be no significance response from the U.S. and the European Union and so far he’s been right,” Brattberg said. 

Lawmakers and experts across the political sphere warn that if the Obama administration and its western allies are not effective in dealing with Putin this time, it could have serious consequences going forward.

And the dangers go beyond Putin.

China is closely monitoring what’s going on, Brattberg said, and could become more assertive in territorial disputes with its neighbors if it sees the West back down from Russia.

Of particular concern is a small group of islands in the South China Sea that both China and Japan claim, he said. If China were to use military force against Japan, the U.S. would be contractually bound to defend it. 

“It’s not like the Chinese are sitting there [thinking], ‘What can we take tomorrow that we maybe thought we couldn’t do a month ago,’” said Gary Schmitt, a resident scholar at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute. 

“It’s more the case that some incident will happen and they’ll calculate: “Look, the U.S. really isn’t going to react,’ and they’ll take advantage of that situation,” he said. 

Putin has arguably emerged as the victor in a series of confrontations with the U.S.

In 2008, Putin caught U.S. officials flatfooted and annexed Georgian territory without serious repercussions, according to a recent interview in the Washington Post with Daniel Fata, deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO policy from September 2005 to September 2008.

Last August, Russia thumbed its nose at the U.S. by granting former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden asylum after he leaked classified material to the press and fled the country. 

In September, Putin got the U.S. to back down from military strikes against ally Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, by brokering a last-minute deal to destroy Syria’s chemical weapons.

The deal had the advantage to Russia of ensuring Assad could stay in power, and since the deal Assad has solidified his control of the country.

Although Russia's invasion of Georgia happened during the Bush Administration, Brattberg said Putin views Obama as particularly weak and his "reset" policy as naive.

“Putin sees Obama as a weak leader. I would point to Syria in particular. We drew a red line and didn’t back it up,” he said. 

The administration has pushed back at such criticisms, with Obama this week saying Russia’s actions were a sign of weakness that would isolate the country.

The administration has taken several steps to make that happen.

The U.S. has sent six additional F-15 fighter jets to Poland to bolster a NATO air policing mission, and announced sanctions and visa restrictions that could be imposed on Russian leaders and entities found to have threatened Ukraine’s sovereignty.

But the efforts appear to have done little to slow Russia down.

Crimea’s autonomous parliament appears to be moving ahead with a vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia. A referendum is planned on March 16.

Schmitt said that for the United States to turn the tide, it should take stronger steps such as admitting Ukraine into NATO or sanctioning Russia’s gas exports. 

“The legacy [for Russia] would look like: ‘It looked good at the time but now it looks like we really stepped into it,’” Schmitt said.

Brattberg said the U.S. should be doing more to lead and unify a fragmented European Union. 

“There has been some disconnect over sanctions between some European Union countries, and there is the need for the U.S. to really show leadership and lead them in the same direction,” he said. 

Critics doubt the administration can provide this leadership at a time it is looking to focus on domestic policy, end the war in Afghanistan, and pivot to the Asia Pacific. 

At the SASC hearing earlier this week, Republican senators decried shrinking defense spending as a part of the U.S’s GDP at a time when the U.S. was being challenged by Russia and China.

The White House’s 2015 budget request, unveiled earlier this week, would hold defense spending nominally flat for a third year and a decline in real terms.


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Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:35 | 4526327 fooshorter
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Who ever wins. We Lose...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:38 | 4526341 gafgroocK
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My God, we all know war is a racket, Hot or Cold !

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:52 | 4526386 kaiserhoff
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Screw Putin.  He's Europe's problem.  Let them man up and get something done about it.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:02 | 4526421 Anusocracy
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And how isn't Europe as least as big a problem as Putin.

They're nothing but yes-men for the world's most destructive and psychopathic country.

Backing the number one evil in the world easily makes you evil number two.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:13 | 4526454 Occident Mortal
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Obama's red line is on his face (and there's a yellow streak down his back).

Oh and the other thread with all the Ukrainian military...

They aren't mobilising they are defecting.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:14 | 4526462 johnQpublic
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we need a mutherfucking thunder dome so these assholes can just go at it by themselves and leave humanity out of it

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:17 | 4526479 Occident Mortal
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The petrodollar ends on the 16th of March.

Plan accordingly.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4526514 Miffed Microbio...
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Hmmm, well there goes my birthday plans. Maybe I will set up my tires and burning barrel in keeping with the situation. How else can one plan?


Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:20 | 4526979 Anusocracy
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Have a Happy Birthday anyway.

Mine is about a week later

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:44 | 4527242 GetZeeGold
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Is US Losing The New Cold War?


It's kinda hard to criticize the communists....when we are the communists.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:52 | 4527249 New_Meat
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might not even know we're in a war

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:08 | 4527332 Bendromeda Strain
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"There's nothing like the smell of neocon in the morning. It smells like money!"

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:27 | 4526520 TungstenBars
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Regardless of the pissing contest in the white part of world right now humanity as we know it is all in China's hands. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:31 | 4527048 Drifter
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China backed up by Russia and the other BRICS nations, which I believe is about 3/5 of world population.

America's world policeman (bully) days are over, and when USD loses reserve status here fairly soon America's superpower days are over.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:36 | 4526668 klockwerks
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I had heard it was 3/4 but that came and went and now you say 16th. Any links or more info. I'm serious with the question

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:18 | 4526637 Anusocracy
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Two chickenhawks enter -

One feather pillow leaves.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:22 | 4526501 kaiserhoff
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@ Occidental

They are fighting a very French kind of war.  Please pass the brie and grey poupon.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4526513 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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That's what America does, it "loses" wars (after wwII, anyway, and not counting GRENADA). But they keep starting new ones, I wonder why? Because the S&P 500 arms merchants win! Duh.

This stuff is not that hard to figure out.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:18 | 4526481 kaiserhoff
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The EU is a frigging disaster.  Sane Europeans wanted free trade across the borders for small, interdependent countries.  What they got was another layer of government, accountable to no one.

The European problem is how to stay warm in the winter without Russia's oil and gas.  That's a problem they should solve. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 03:57 | 4527099 123dobryden
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first part very true


isit that hard to understand,that europe doesnt vitaly need russia but russia vitaly needs europe?


fortunately russia is weak, as putin made it weak, after his decade:

-there is still no sign of competitive manufacturing except arms, or have you ever seen Made In Russia?

-Russia is still country with of of the most unjust division of wealth

-there are still tens of thousands of SMALL entrepreneurs in jail for tax evasions


well, so far he is winning the battle of appearances, same like Stalin or late comunist leaders, but it is only appearances, reality is somewhere totaly else


majority of people here are usefull idiots regarding russia, that have never been there, just stop dreaming, accept reality or live a lie

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:05 | 4528094 johngerard
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Europe won't do anything about it, because they can't. They have barely any military to speak of (relative to the US), because the US taxpayer has paid for their defence since world war II. All Europes's money has gone into insane welfare programs instead. They couldn't even flattten a few fucking tents in the Libyan desert without the US to back them up and hold their limp, sweaty hands.

And now they are exposed to a US withdrawing from the world, and everyone else licking their lips at the thought of it.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4526395 Anusocracy
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Another steaming pile of crap weekend article.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:18 | 4526887 TheFourthStooge-ing
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article = drivel

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 06:03 | 4527163 Urban Redneck
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Drivel is too kind a characterization. It would imply that Kristina Wong and Jeremy Herb actually ingested what Gary Schmitt fed them. They really should just drop their names from the piece and republish it as an AEI diktat to the unthinking class in Washington.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:04 | 4526430 Stuck on Zero
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Forget the cold war.  We're losing the war on drugs.  Losing the war on poverty.  Losing the war on cancer.  Losing the economics war.  Losing the country to illegals.  Losing the hearts and minds of the citizens. 

We have elected losers.


Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:00 | 4526599 Anusocracy
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Not only that, we've surrendered to evil and have been overrun by stupidity.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:05 | 4526612 eddiebe
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Correction: We haven't elected anyone in power. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:04 | 4526432 RafterManFMJ
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If I understand the gist of this article we must engage in nuclear brinkmanship over a matter that's none of our concern so China doesn't get the idea it can act with impunity in other matters that are none of our concern.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:18 | 4526483 Miffed Microbio...
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I think your assessment is the best I have read on this matter. It is always unwise to play chicken with a train. Hubris from a nation rotting within is tragic and often ineffective.


Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:49 | 4527305 nelsonmandella
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if its an oil war - yes we all lose 

oil in syria yes ! gas in ukraine yes !


Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:48 | 4526374 Kirk2NCC1701
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How do you say "Wolverines!" in Russian?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:50 | 4526382 TeamDepends
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Red Dawnski?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:53 | 4526389 Kirk2NCC1701
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Found it... "Rosomakhi!"

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:04 | 4527258 GetZeeGold
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Thanks....that could come in handy.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:23 | 4526503 TheReplacement
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So what is the answer?  Violent revolution is always fun.  However, what if one were to simply try to position himself to benefit from these incidents?  Would not one perhaps become richer and more powerful?  How long until one is rich and powerful enough to have influence?  And so on...

Do something about it.  Stop losing.  Take advantage of it.  It is heinous but it is happening no matter how you feel about it.  Get something out of it.  Maybe someday, you or your son, will be able to do something to prevent it. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:39 | 4526675 Anusocracy
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Join ranks with the killers and live a life of luxury as a savage animal.

I'll pass.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 03:46 | 4527094 123dobryden
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position me then...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:57 | 4527317 nelsonmandella
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russia 1912

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:57 | 4527318 nelsonmandella
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russia 1912

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:38 | 4526336 TeamDepends
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Fool me once (does kegstand), wait, shit, I can do this....  Shame on

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:38 | 4526337 gafgroocK
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Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:54 | 4526391 kaiserhoff
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Si-lence is golden, golden...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:41 | 4526347 One And Only
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Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:49 | 4526376 kaiserhoff
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I'd love to.

Where do we sign the petition to extradite his sorry illegal alien ass?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:43 | 4526350 monkman
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fuck the neocons

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:19 | 4526490 Clowns on Acid
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the Neo Cons under Bush are now the neo Bolsheviks under Obama. They just morph whjile their motives and masters remain the same.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:07 | 4527261 GetZeeGold
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Perhaps you didn't get the memo.....the neocons are now progressives.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:07 | 4527034 Missiondweller
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So Obama is a Neo Con?


WHo the hell are you talking about? Wake up! Its 2014 not 2004.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:07 | 4527262 crunchyfrog
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The clown who dictated this article to The Hill is an unreconstructed Bush era Neocon. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:49 | 4526358 JustObserving
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Putin sees Obama as a weak leader. I would point to Syria in particular. We drew a red line and didn’t back it up,”

Obama did his best to start a major war with Syria by lying about the sarin attack but it did not work:

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.

In the end, internal differences over the launching of direct military action, compounded by massive popular opposition to another unprovoked war in the Middle East, led the administration to pull back and accept a Russian plan for the dismantling of Syrian chemical weapons. This was followed by the opening of talks with Syria’s main ally in the region, Iran.

Hersh’s account of systematic manipulation of intelligence aimed at dragging the American people into yet another war based on lies underscores the fact that Obama’s retreat in Syria by no means signaled a turn away from militarism. Rather, it reflected a provisional change in tactics in relation to US hegemonic aims in the oil-rich Middle East, and a decision to focus more diplomatic and military resources on Washington’s drive to isolate and contain what it considers more critical antagonists: Russia and, above all, China.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 04:20 | 4527111 Notarocketscientist
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The CIA gave their Al Nusra Al qaeda allies fighting Assad chemical weapons and had them fire them into a civilian target - then tried to pin the blame on Assad.


The Deep State that runs America is the epitomy of evil - if they would gas women and children is there anything they would not do?


Including killing thousands of their own in Operation 911?   As in Operation Northwoods - vetoed by Kennedy who was dead 6 months later

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:45 | 4526361 nmewn
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Who woulda thunk a social worker would lose going up a against a former KGB agent everytime?

Why...its just not fair, sniff sniff ;-)

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:51 | 4526383 kaiserhoff
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Yeah, where are Barry's affirmative action points?

It's not like he ever left home without them.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:14 | 4526465 nmewn
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Affirmative there's another great progressive concept gone completely off the

It starts with the basic premise that some skin colors are too stooopid to be admitted under the fair standards of the whole regardless of skin color...and builds upon that mind bending concept, until an entire nation finds itself with a president who believes in something called "negative liberty" (as that restricts the state) while professing to be an activist for the common man as he forces through law that restrict that same mans common liberties & rights at every turn.

The man is not fit to even be the head of animal control (dog catcher), as he could no doubt find some way to unleash every rabid canine held in quarantine for the good of the public and put to death every one week old puppy on the mere suspicion that they have rabies.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:05 | 4526959 Flakmeister
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Re: your earlier comment:

Cut the bullshit...

Look at a 20 year old map and look me straight in the eye and tell me that Putin isn't clumsly performing damage control...

Explain in one or two paragraphs how is he coming out ahead of where he was...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:57 | 4527252 nmewn
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Re: your earlier comment:

Cut the bullshit...

Sure Flak.

You know as well as I do that Putin has regional ambitions (besides building up his own personal wealth, which he's doing a bangup job at by the way) regarding former "Soviet territory". The damage (regarding your 20 year map reference) was done by communism/Marxism and its oligarchy power structure and he has dreams of bringing not it but Russia back to some semblence of that.

It is a dream only on his part for now...but he was part of that structure and knows the intoxicating feeling of almost limitless power and the devastating emotion of watching an empire crash around him and emerge a third rate nation, now on the rise again, had to have had a deep psychological impact on him. In short, they dumped the ideology but kept oligarchial control of means of production...from the press to Gazprom.

Tactically, it is about the Black Sea Fleet under the rubric of protecting Russian speaking Ukranians from phantoms and goblins. Strategically its about rebuilding/reinforcing influence and the satellite regimes loyal to Moscow and him and to whoever follows him when he's gone.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:47 | 4527302 Uncle Remus
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Stop making sense.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:25 | 4527389 nmewn
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Oh, there will be more than a few to come along with pet conspiracy theories.

But the only invasion that has happened is Putin's, done with the "unanimous consent of his government"...which is always nice, for a strongman dictator-type, any dissenting voices have already been silenced.

Which got me to thinking about historical perspective yesterday and what this type command & control structure can lead the speech Hitler gave to the Reichstag seeking its permission to become a authoritarian ruler.

I invite everyone to read it and pay close attention to his exchange with the Social Democrat leader Wels toward the bottom...he was going to assume that power (dictatorial) whether they agreed or not...its what they do.

"You talk about the lack of stability of the law. Gentlemen of the Social Democratic Party! I too witnessed the Revolution in 1918. I really do have to say that if we did not have a feeling for the law, we would not be here today, and you would not be here either! In 1918 you turned against those who had done nothing to harm you.


We are restraining ourselves from turning against those who tortured us and humiliated us for fourteen years.


You say the National Socialist Revolution has nothing to do with Socialism, but rather that its “Socialism” exists only in the sense that it persecutes the “only pillar of Socialism in Germany,” the SPD.


You are sissies, Gentlemen, and not worthy of this age, if you start talking about persecution at this stage of the game. What has been done to you? You are sitting here and your speaker is being listened to with patience.


You talk about persecution. Who has been persecuting you? You say you are the only pillar of Socialism. You were the pillar of that mysterious Socialism of which, in reality, the German Volk never had a glimpse.


You are talking today about your achievements and your deeds; you are speaking of all the things you intended to do. By your fruits shall ye, too, be known! The fruits testify against you! If the Germany you created in fourteen years is any reflection of your socialist aims, then all I can say is give us four years’ time, Gentlemen, in order to show you the reflection of our aims.


You say: “You want to eliminate the Reichstag to proceed with your Revolution.” Gentlemen, if so, we would not have found it necessary to first go to this vote, to convene this Reichstag, or to have the draft of this bill presented.


God knows we would have had the courage to deal with you some other way as well!

And eventually, he did "deal with" them and everyone else who opposed them in "some other way." The Enabling Act was just a formality of law.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 11:20 | 4527509 Flakmeister
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Aside from waxing eloquently about nothing and pointing out the obvious (Putin is enriching himself), you haven't described how Putin is gaining anything he did not already have...

Yet again, I am very disappointed in you...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 11:48 | 4527566 nmewn
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"Yet again, I am very disappointed in you..."

lol...your approval or respect is not something I have ever sought from you Flak. 

But you do entertain me at times with your elitist high brow smugness and snobbery, so I'll leave you with this. Putin now has a brand new sock puppet named Sergey Aksyonov which will give him some cover of law & order and/or "democracy" in action to what he is doing.

Cheers & Sieg Heil.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:05 | 4527590 Miffed Microbio...
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I myself am not. Well thought out and cited. Oligarchs are so transparent even when they strive for apparent legitimacy. Sad to watch the pattern once again while the world seems either dismayed or asleep.


Sun, 03/09/2014 - 18:50 | 4528680 nmewn
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Flak and I go back a long way. He knows I detest him for the socialist-statist prick he is and I really don't care what he thinks of me.

So we bump into each other from time to time in the ZH hallway, exchange "pleasantry's" move on ;-)

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 20:03 | 4528889 Miffed Microbio...
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Yes, I have witnessed several of your interactions over the years. I myself have been the object of adoration recently as well. She seems to think I am dishonest for some reason, though I can't recall where I erred. I have decided to follow her lead in this area, she being the expert. Hopefully, this will manifest soon so I will tread the path of Truth at last in my life. I'm sure I'm in for the experience of a lifetime. ;-)


Mon, 03/10/2014 - 00:40 | 4529551 Flakmeister
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No, you claimed a interest in honesty and I pointed out very clearly how your pen-pal Mr. Element deliberately lied with the exact same figure as here:

You're too sweet to let an untruth pass your lips....

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:27 | 4527660 Flakmeister
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I was merely looking for some new insight and you clearly demonstrated that you are incapable of providing it...

Obviously, I have tweeked a nerve given your petulant reply...

Save your breath...


Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:19 | 4527981 Miffed Microbio...
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Your reply was meant to elicit petulance, yet the response was anything but. You may wish to review the definition of petulance to correct your error.


Mon, 03/10/2014 - 00:33 | 4528119 Flakmeister
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Never did go for your lesson in honesty  a while back, did you?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:04 | 4526439 rbg81
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Calling Barry a social worker is an insult workers.  He was a "community organizer", which is a fancy phrase for commie aggitator.  I think he is still a communist at heart, but someone probably read him the Riot Act when they handed him the keys to the White House.  He is on a short leash--if he tugs too hard, they'll buy him a farm, complete with an elaborate state funeral and a few streets named after him.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:13 | 4526626 Lost Word
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Just like MLK Jr.

and Obama knows it.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4526512 Debeachesand Je...
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A comment I read a few days ago in th Financial Times.


"America hired a Rookie,they re geting rookie results".


Enough said...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:57 | 4526589 eddiebe
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Well yes, but allow me to add that this is way beyond Putin vs. Obama. This is about the gangs that control all or at least most of the whole show.  The 'west' with their control over probably the most powerful tool: Reserve currency status via the petro dollar bankster games, terror and subversion on a global scale with means of technology and weaponry we don't even know about yet, let alone what we do. 

Then there are the gangs ( call them Chinese, russian, german, japanerse, indonesian etc.) specifically the leaders of those gangs, that are sensing vulnerability and are simply tired of being scammed and snubbed and generally having to pay graft, having to kow-tow and  having to follow the rules imposed by (call it) Nato, but really mostly The US and EU by that meaning the people that pull the strings of their military, reserve banks, financial conglomerates, NSA and various shadow agencies paid for by all the peoples of the world. 

That is a short version of the bigger picture, and this little scenario played out in the Ukraine could be the beginning of WWIII. Remember it was just just 100 years ago that in basically the same region ( Yugoslavia) WWWI started over something ( what seems to be ) much more insignificant. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:37 | 4526809 Alternative
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Geography and history are clearly not your strong points. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:55 | 4527018 Ocean22
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Gang warfare on a global scale. Sounds about right. The stakes are bigger, the guns are bigger but the game is the same. Power and control.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:46 | 4526365 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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I dunno ask China

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:49 | 4526369 CPL
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Allow me to throw the Bones (iChing) for fun.


Question:  Is US Losing The New Cold War?

Sung Transformed to Kuan...whoever's driving it best understand it's not in their favor to do so or they are going to get their teeth kicked in.  Better they get back to the table and mind their own business.  Take a break.  Back it up.  Think about what you are doing?  Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Once that grievance gets solved, then you get to play with others again and help.  First though, correct yourselves or the transformation doesn't happen.

6 - Six
Sung / Conflict

The high Heavens over a yawning Deep chasm:
An expansive void where nothing can dwell.
Even though he sincerely knows he is right, the Superior Person anticipates opposition and carefully prepares for any incident.

Good fortune if your conflict results in compromise.
Misfortune if your conflict escalates to confrontation.
Seek advice.
Postpone your crossing to the far shore.


Conflict is a necessary part of life.
Tension upon the strings of a violin can make majestic music.
The critical mass of two hydrogen atoms trying to occupy the same space fuel the sun that nourishes our solar system.
Most conflicts you face in life are the result of your Path converging with another's.
Your Path is not his, and one Path is not necessarily more right than the other.
Can you work together to remove the blockage?

Changing Lines:

There are Two Changing Lines.
Click on any of them to read about it!

The Upper Line prevails.

Hexagram Six/Line Four

Realizing the very root of conflict lies within his own heart, he lays down his arms and resolves to accept the things he cannot change.

Transformed Hexagram:

20 - Twenty
Kuan / Contemplation

The gentle Wind roams the Earth:
The Superior Person expands his sphere of influence as he expands his awareness.
Deeply devoted to his pursuit of clarity and wisdom, he is unconscious of the inspiring, positive example he is setting for others to emulate.

You have cleansed yourself; now stand ready to make your humble, devout offering.


The situation marks a rising to new heights.
As you climb for a better view of the panorama, you make yourself more conspicuous to those below.
This hexagram is also known as the Watchtower, because the shape formed by its lines resembles the ancient guardposts manned by Chinese soldiers.
These towers were placed on mountainsides to give a better vantage point.
To those below, the watchtowers served as landmarks to help them find their way.
The quality of your search for clarity in this situation serves as such a guidepost for others along the Way.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:48 | 4526373 EconomicGenocide
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You can always tell when someone pens an article like this, is that his real loyalty is not with the American people or what is best for the world in general, but is nothing more than the Ziionist controlled Neo CON warmongers speaking wrapped in a flag while pissing on the constitution!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:06 | 4526438 kaiserhoff
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Not necessarily Neo Con.  This smells like Brookings, but all the so called, think tanks put out the same swill, because they are funded by the same One Worlders.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:53 | 4526390 CrashisOptimistic
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Schmitt said that for the United States to turn the tide, it should take stronger steps such as admitting Ukraine into NATO or sanctioning Russia’s gas exports. 

“The legacy [for Russia] would look like: ‘It looked good at the time but now it looks like we really stepped into it,’” Schmitt said.



This kind of thing happens when international relations "experts" or political scientists from academe live in the past and don't look up how many countries are > 50% reliant on Russia for nat gas.

As always, those countries (in which the writer never lives) will be asked to make a "minor sacrifice" for the "greater good" (aka my victory).

The older generation alive today has not and maybe never will embrace the reality of scarcity.  A scarcity mindset changes all thinking -- from irrational to rational -- when scarcity actually exists.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:54 | 4526393 denverdolomte
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Good to see that people with mental handicap can write and be interviewed for The Hill articles. 


Few questions ::

So we sanction Russian gas exports, then who provides the EU with what Russia is providing? Oh the US, ok how?

US needs to bolster up it's regime and stand up to Putin? Ok, what's China going to do on that?

In the retard reality these idiots live in, how is this funded, executed, and promisingly play out in their fucked up minds? 


Russia and Ukraine militairies are at this point and mom jeans mcgee is out on a golf course circle jerk, brilliant minds....brilliant brilliant minds. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:56 | 4526399 AMGdesignnl
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Any Americans with a mirror here ? <);o) 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:02 | 4526424 fijisailor
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I guess your english isn't so good.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:58 | 4526409 ATG
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"And the dangers go beyond Putin"


Where do they start beside central bankers?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:59 | 4526411 A Lunatic
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Holy electronic smokes Batman, the Russianiranianalqaedachineseglobalwarmingterrist cabal is out to get us again......

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:02 | 4526419 ebworthen
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The U.S. lost the "cold war" when crony capitalists and bankers sold out our productive base and citizens to China.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:20 | 4526447 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Putin sees Obama as a weak leader. I would point to Syria in particular. We drew a red line and didn’t back it up,”

Putin sees Obama as a weak leader because he is incompetent and was selected that way just like G.W. and Bill Clinton.

After the legacy he inherited from the previous chair satans, the morale of our military after 13 years of invasions and occupations and the lies that have gone with them have not made what was once the most powerful conventional military force in the world "stronger" with up to 20 suicides a day at one stretch.  They are in fact "weaker" and will not be planting any American flags in Crimea, just as they didn't in Syria or Libya allowing trained rabid dogs do it for them courtesy of Langley and Mossad. 

Ask yourself how that is all going and can it continue?...  Because of all the lies and the poor choices that followed with them, "the biggest war" is being expedited because in their brains of General Jack Ripper they won't be able to do it in the future given the collapse of the economy 5 years ago and the longterm health of a military that's been at it's breaking point for 7 years now.

This is why the stakes are so high and why the probability of a Naval and Air Force offensive in the Black Sea for Crimea are the only cards President Remus can play.  And the best part of that is he and all his support in the bowels of that "five-sided shit star" in Arlington know they can't win!

Hopefully before they all blow there brains out collectively at the same time, Colonel Mandrake will br able to hand them all a hearty glass of the H2"0"!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:12 | 4526459 SanfordandSon
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Frankly, the cold war never ended, we just thought it did.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:12 | 4526460 Soul Glow
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I would say the US is losing the new cold war.  The gold prices are being held artificially low and instead of telling the people they represent the Fed says gold is "Not money."  As benefactor for the Treasury department the Fed lies and uses false economic principles to move money from the working classes to the banking system.  The Fed is liable of TREASON.

While this is hapening the Fed has sold all of the gold to JPM, and they have sold it to China.  China has joined the United States of America and Russia as the top three world super powers, at least financially.  China has teamed up with Russia for military and exchange purposes.  And the United States continues to fumble the ball chance after chance to create economic stability.

With the debt - public and private - and lack of industrial production/growth/GDP, America lies dead in the water.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:12 | 4526461 Hot Piece of Bass
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How about we re-frame the question from "Is America losing the cold war?" to... do Americans benefit in any way from this geo-political bullsh-t?"

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:14 | 4526468 agent default
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The cold war had a clear ideological basis behind it: It was very much about the totalitarian communist system VS the free capitalist system.  This was the main reason people were actually willing to put up a fight against the Eastern Block, because the idea of the KGB, Party Commissars, the police state apparatus and the forfeiture of property were unacceptable.

  Today, there is no such thing.  In fact you can point to the West and say that totalitarianism, intrusive government and financial repression are developing on this side of the world.  So no, there cannot be a cold war, because nobody on this side is willing to put up with one.   In fact there is an increasing number of people who wish for collapse because the present system is leading to exactly what the Eastern Block was, with slightly different terminology.

So what is the propaganda basis of a new cold war?  The Russians will come and... TAX YOU AT 12% FLAT?  Good luck getting anyone out of bed with that one.

 In a few years time, if the present situation continues, the Russians will point at us the same way we used to point at the Soviet Union.  And laugh their heads off.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:11 | 4526970 Flakmeister
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There is no Cold War, at least to anyone who isn't a neo-con...

And for the purposes of comparison, at least in the US, we don't usually see "chick bands" being whipped in public....

As far as naked power grab goes, call me when a US president finds an way to get the equivalent of a third term...

Or do you think that Putin did not subvert the Russian constitution?


Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:38 | 4526996 Ocean22
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Both us parties are the same colour year after year working for the same shadows as the previous president. And I could think of several bands that need a public whipping...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:33 | 4528007 TheFourthStooge-ing
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As far as naked power grab goes, call me when a US president finds an way to get the equivalent of a third term...

You're a little late for that. We're in the second year of the equivalent of George W. Bush's fourth term.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:17 | 4526476 ATG
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"The White House’s 2015 budget request, unveiled earlier this week, would hold defense spending nominally flat for a third year and a decline in real terms."


Demonstrably false.


Military spending increased every year in nominal and real terms without counting black budgets.


We have 1000 military installations in over 140 countries.


Ask Ron Paul, who received more military donations than any other canddiate for President in 2012:





Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:21 | 4526498 crash commando
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Where the hell is Boris A. on this?  We need Boris!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:27 | 4526519 kaiserhoff
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Boris is busy tending to Alotovkrap.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:52 | 4527310 Uncle Remus
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That's Mrs. Alotovkrap.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:34 | 4526537 Boomberg
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Have you not noticed that a whole slew of regular commenters no longer contribute? Likely not of their own volition. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:24 | 4526509 Clowns on Acid
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These Obama apologists just keep trying for obfuscation . Georgia / Bush, Ukraine / Obama. Howveer there is a big difference. Georgia bombed South Ossetia, then Russia came into georgia. In Ukraine ... the US proxies (hey what ever happened to Victoria Nuland ?) organized / financed a coup on a sitting PM, before Russia came in. Huge difference.

Fuck the Obamabots... the neo Bolsheviks from Chicago. Jail those fcukers !

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:33 | 4526536 Pairadimes
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“America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." - Alexis de Tocqueville

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:37 | 4526547 Boomberg
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"I know of no country, indeed, where the love of money has taken stronger hold on the affections of men, and where the profounder contempt is expressed for the theory of the permanent equality of property." - Alexis de Tocqueville. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:38 | 4526551 Debeachesand Je...
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"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it"


George Orwell.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:39 | 4526556 Tracerfan
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So we need to risk a global nuclear war and death of all humans because otherwise China might take some rocks that probably belong to them in the Pacific?

Maybe humanity is too stupid to survive.  This is idiotism.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:07 | 4526614 22winmag
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Not too stupid... too immature.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:21 | 4526643 Lost Word
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Both sides have to understand how stupid it is.

If not, one side will push too far.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:45 | 4526571 Manipuflation
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What cold war?  There is no cold war.  I might even get laid with some Russian vertical tonight.  There could be several idiot governments who want to have war though but that's not how it works in the age of the Internet.  We do not want to fight each other.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:33 | 4526623 RaceToTheBottom
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The US cannot afford to act as the previous role of world policeman.  There is no more money.

And why is there not any money?

Well, I would think that a big part of the reason the money was spent to clean up the Financial crisis.  The main cause of that was WS Corruption. 

Spending 15Trillion to clean up WS Corruption has had at least as much affect as a whimpy president.  Heck the last 4 or 5 or more presidents were whimps.  Our electoral process guarantees that.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 06:24 | 4527169 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' run a business of farming the poor, extorting the weak. Throughout ages, 'americans' rose from the ranks as the best (by far) in the business.

'Americans' do not pay for extorting the weak, farming the poor. They get the weak and the poor to pay to be extorted and farmed by 'americans'.

It was a meaningful difference introduced by 'americans', comparatively to what other human beings had been doing before the 'american' ages.

It means that the extortion/farming schemes self terminate as soon the extorted/weak run out of resources to be stolen of.

Yes, certain 'american' schems are closing their end. But it is not because of the lack of money, but because the targets are running out of resources to be extorted of.

That is why 'americans' are now moving to new targets located in the preserved area of the former USSR.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:44 | 4527435 RaceToTheBottom
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"but because the targets are running out of resources to be extorted of."


This is why most of the future US business dollars will come from international. 

The US public has been strip mined.....  Time for them to move on

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:19 | 4526633 New American Re...
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Cold War II started in 1990, it's just that someone is finally fighting back because they must.  America's problem is that it has established no justice at home, in fact, just the opposite; and being weak at home we have become weak abroad.  Are we losing Cold War II?  Possibly... but our ruling "Deep State" is working hard to turn Cold War II into World War III.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:24 | 4526646 sangell
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This is pure idiocy. Putin had Crimea. What has he gained? Eastern Europe, the Baltic States and even Sweden are freaking out. Increasing military readiness and diving even deeper into NATO and the West. China doesn't like this idea of 'national self determination and allowing votes on independence either given Taiwan, Tibet and some Muslim Uighurs. The Philippines may have America come back to Subic Bay. Vietnam moves closer to San Diego than Shanghia. Japan matches any defense cuts we make with increases of its own.

Putin's megalomania is driving all of America's real and potential allies closer while he drives his own further apart. Take off the Ray Charles glasses and look at the real world not the guy you think is winning.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:04 | 4526866 post turtle saver
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good luck with this crowd, sangell... they don't understand that Putin has made a mistake


Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:42 | 4526683 noless
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Cold comment(drtfa/c):

Who is Russia alienating here? Finland? The Latvians? probly aren't too happy, but if it gets down to it what? Is Poland going to go for "funding" or whose actually got the equipment rolling?

Is south America really going to reconsider anything?

Are the Africans gaining runoff resource deals from China going to balk because they suddenly have more room to move?

The only way i can understand the us reply on this is a masochistic will to force the American people through their necessary penance for fucking over the Persians and caucasians once again.

The Chinese and Russians together could go through the entire region to the east up to turkey, resources permitting, with literally nothing on their flank a long as south east Asia doesn't descend into tribal shit and Australia keeps blathering about gender quotas. The only thing that would alter that in the slightest to the west would be the Israelis, and muslims simultaneously forming a human peace chain to keep them out.

Anyway, fuck if i know, Ferdinand is probly living in costs Rica.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:53 | 4526707 tony bonn
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what a complete waste of space - this farticle was more usa we are the world that you, victoria?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:02 | 4526728 wharfdaddy
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16 March? Wuz UP?


Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:04 | 4526732 Kreditanstalt
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"Lawmakers and experts across the political sphere warn that if the Obama administration and its western allies are not effective in dealing with Putin..."

US global hegemony is the greater threat.  Maybe they should say "...if the Putin administration and its worldwide allies are not effective in dealing with Obama" 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:49 | 4526827 Son of Captain Nemo
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Is the U.S. losing the Cold War?...

If they keep taking direction from the likes of these, we won't be needing a Cold War anymore.  I see "glass" in their future!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:48 | 4526938 dumbStruck
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There were two losers to the cold war. It is taking longer for historians to accept this.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 03:13 | 4527079 kellycriterion
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The US has had a fantastic string of victories. There's a problem though with proxies and cold wars and proxies and hot wars. Winning is mostly losing.

The good wars are ones where you annihilate or drive off the local population and resettle the territory with your own people. Sure it's on the ruthless side, but if you check the record you'll discover those wars have been the most successful.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 04:25 | 4527113 nah
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so far US troops havent been hit with Russian biological agents call it a win bitchez

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 05:47 | 4527158 falak pema
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Putin does not only see Obama as a weak leader; he sees Pax Americana now hanging itself by its own rope of fiat dope, drowning in its own contradictions of thirty year hubris.

"One bridge too far, one drone killing too many, one trillion printed beyond peak monetary sustainance" is the song of American dystopia since "Bring that wall down Mr Gorbatchev" days.

Alfed Hitchcock and ROPE... says it all. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 06:17 | 4527168 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' are duplicitous and duplicity comes with a price. Duplicity put people at a disadvantage when it comes to assess their results as duplicitous people cant tell of their ways and their objectives.

The Syria bit is a joke and reveals how far 'americans' are ready to go: being forced to disarm (especially in a case when you did not use the weaponry) is only a victory in an 'american' mind.
Historically, one must tell, 'americans' often forced their future opponents to disarm before they engaged them. It made the destruction work easier.
But 'americans' wont tell of that.

On Ukraine's case: after investigating the russian side, it appears that many of them are aware of the mess they are in and only consider Putin's way as a last ditch effort.

Summary of the situation:

'Americans' wanted in into Ukraine.

They first managed to install an 'american' type of government, operating through the consent of the governed.
They were soon to be confirmed that with that type of government, the cultural grip of Russia was too deep and that a government by the consent of the government would return a pro russian answer for long, long years.

Therefore, 'americans' work on furthering the social engineering of the ukrainian society by making way for a deep anti russian feeling that would change the deal and provide a de facto pro 'american' government thanks to sheer hatred of Russians.

Nazis in Ukraine provided 'americans' with the required template. This side of the objective is achieved and Ukrainian hatred to russia is a dominant feeling in Ukraine.

Very often, Putin snatching off Crimea from Ukraine is presented by 'americans' (duplicity, duplicity) as a victory for Putin. When it would be the other way.

Ukraine is going to join the EU and is well known and anticipated that the 'american' ecnomics practised as planned by the EU will lead to a concentration of wealth and a general empoverishment of the ukrainian population.
It is a done deal.

Who is going to be blamed for that empoverishment? The EU and their policies? Or Russia that would have snatched a wealthy region from Ukraine?

After investigating the topic, the Russian are fully aware of the fact and the last thing they want is a full of hatred Ukraine on their borders. They want to keep Ukraine intact and friendly to them. Any move that rise hatred of Russia in Ukraine serves 'american' objectives.

That is a problem for 'americans'. As such,overall, their plan is a success. But they cant state their plan.
They cant state that they are working to stir hatred of the Russian and build on that. Therefore they cant tell they are successful.

'Americans'' main goal was to move Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence. Achieving that objective is performed by stirring and building on hatred. 'Americans' cant admit that so they cant report how much their plan is progressing successfully.

'Americans' are winning. Big time. And they are winning the 'american' way. Big time.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:53 | 4528057 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Unlike the article above, this comment by AnAnonymous is, in fact, a cogent analysis. It is head and shoulders above the Cold War era surrealpolitik propagated by the article's authors, the neocon deceptionalism excreted by The Diplomat, and the foreign policy equivalent of abiotic oil offered by the commenter Flakmeister.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 06:46 | 4527177 Sufiy
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Peter Schiff and GATA's Bill Murthy: The Real Value of Gold 

It is time to listen and remind ourselves about the real value of Gold and what is coming next with all geopolitical games unfolding at the crucial levels for US Dollar and Gold markets. China is the major subject of conversation here again and Russia is already talking about the asymmetrical retaliation to the imposed by the West sanctions around the Ukraine situation. Gold manipulation can not go foreverwith China buying the record amount of Gold officially and who knows what are the real numbers in its state-level military plan to accumulate Gold for the De-Dollarisation reset?


Koos Jansen: China’s Road To Secret Gold Accumulation TNR.v MUX GLD GDX ABX RGLD

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:46 | 4527244 d edwards
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We didn't lose the war, we surrendered (Tell Vladymir I'll have more flexablity after the election) f-ing treason!


Now the Pentagon's biggest worry is GLOBAL F-ING WARMING?


We're gutting our armed forces while China, Russia, N Korea are building theirs up and Iran keeps working on a nuke?


F-ing insane.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:37 | 4527420 Accounting101
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Gutting? Is that what your radio told you? The US will still have a military budget larger than those countries you listed combined.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:27 | 4527277 loregnum
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Why does ZH post crap like this?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:12 | 4527319 Pullmyfinger
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Because the Tyler clan is deeply ambivalent and does not actually represent as fully enlightened a mindset as it presents itself to be. Note that ZH articles swing wildly between crypto-statist and not-quite-libertarian points of view. Sadly, but inevitably, the Comments section here reflects this same muddle, with quite a few posters who actually support the power projection of the US military empire --as if this was actually essential to domestic peace, security and tranquility! Zombie Nation, for sure, and although Tyler may represent a large improvement over the dumbed-down, hoi polloi media, "he" still has a lot of waking up to do himself.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:26 | 4527818 kellycriterion
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Pully it's fairly obvious ZeroHero has many closet statists. Old lefty Democratic Socialism believers only too happy to join in corp, banks, MIC bashing. Plenty of targets, especially if you aren't overly concerned with causes vs effects.

Then you have the people who are satisfied with being more sophisticated than Republicrat true believers. Again a tendency toward targets of opportunity. Too much looking in the mirror and the more unsavory aspects of human nature can be depressing.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:36 | 4527853 Hayabusa
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Articles like this only cause me to question the credibility of Zerohedge... talk about a steaming pile of crap with an uberdose of testosterone which origniates from the greed of the military industrial complex who are the "winners"... along with the elected officials whom they bribe, etc.  Comon Tylers... this is a thinking mans' forum, articles like this are written by and for those who have IQs below 70.  Once the people demand our leaders who wish to start wars stand back and tell them "be like Braveheart/William Wallace" and take point in any conflict... send the warmongers out front and put them in the thick of it... if/when the people figure this out and start running our elected officials in lieu of the inverse, then most of the issues we're talking about here will disappear... because our "leaders" are a bunch of lying cowards who prefer to send out "expendible others" to do their dirty work for them and collect the booty other's earn and paid for with their lives.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:36 | 4527854 Hayabusa
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Articles like this only cause me to question the credibility of Zerohedge... talk about a steaming pile of crap with an uberdose of testosterone which origniates from the greed of the military industrial complex who are the "winners"... along with the elected officials whom they bribe, etc.  Comon Tylers... this is a thinking mans' forum, articles like this are written by and for those who have IQs below 70.  Once the people demand our leaders who wish to start wars stand back and tell them "be like Braveheart/William Wallace" and take point in any conflict... send the warmongers out front and put them in the thick of it... if/when the people figure this out and start running our elected officials in lieu of the inverse, then most of the issues we're talking about here will disappear... because our "leaders" are a bunch of lying cowards who prefer to send out "expendible others" to do their dirty work for them and collect the booty other's earn and paid for with their lives.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:44 | 4530722 Demdere
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How to measure a win?

Considered as a game, multilateral diplomacy is extremely complex, far beyond the ability of human minds, or any set of human minds, to play.

Nobody plays 3-way chess or 3D chess because you can't play enough games in a lifetime to know whether you are getting better or not. 'Foreign policy' is to 3D chess as 3D chess is to tic-tac-toe.

Nobody can measure 'national interest', that is a term meaning whatever the speaker wants it to mean.   Every entity within a nation has multiple interests and those change with every shift in events.  We have no means of collecting that information nor of combining those interests into a 'national interest'.

To play the foreign policy game is to lose it : look at all the problems we currently have because of blow-back from previous foreign policy initiatives, many of which were viewed as big wins, e.g. using Al Qaeda to 'win' in pushing the USSR out of Afghanistan.

The only winning strategy is for the national gov to be resolutely neutral.  We can each pursue our interests, but there is no way the nation can do it for us.

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