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India Backs Russia's "Legitimate Interests" In Ukraine

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Submitted by Zachary Zeck via The Diplomat,

On Thursday a senior Indian official appeared to endorse Russia’s position in Ukraine in recent days, even as Delhi urged all parties involved to seek a peaceful resolution to the diplomatic crisis.

When asked for India’s official assessment of the events in Ukraine, National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon responded:

“We hope that whatever internal issues there are within Ukraine are settled peacefully, and the broader issues of reconciling various interests involved, and there are legitimate Russian and other interests involved…. We hope those are discussed, negotiated and that there is a satisfactory resolution to them.”

The statement was made on the same day that Crimea’s parliament voted to hold a referendum for secession from Ukraine.

Local Indian media noted that Menon’s statement about Russia’s legitimate interests in Ukraine made it the first major nation to publicly lean toward Russia. As my colleague Shannon has reported throughout the week, many of China’s public statements could be interpreted as backing Russia in Ukraine, despite Beijing’s own concerns about ethnic breakaway states and its principle of non-interference.

However, at other times, including at the UN Security Council, Beijing has appeared to be subtly rebuking Moscow by suggesting that its unilateral path threatened regional and global stability. At the very least, however, Beijing has characteristically not gone as far as the U.S. and the West in publicly scolding Vladimir Putin for the military intervention in Crimea.

Ukraine certainly appeared to interpret India’s endorsement of Russia’s legitimate interests as far more hostile than Beijing’s position on Russia’s actions. According to the Telegraph India, a Ukrainian embassy spokesperson stationed in Delhi responded to Menon’s comments by saying: “We are not sure how Russia can be seen having legitimate interests in the territory of another country. In our view, and in the view of much of the international community, this is a direct act of aggression and we cannot accept any justification for it.”

The larger question, of course, is why India decided to take such a relatively pro-Russian stance on the Ukraine issue? There are a number of possibilities.

First, India and Russia have long-standing ties and Moscow is Delhi’s top arms provider. Moreover, Russia and the former Soviet Union has been nearly alone in the international community in continue to back India during crucial moments such as following its 1974 and 1998 nuclear tests.

It’s also possible that Delhi believes Russia’s intervention offers the best chance of stabilizing Ukraine. India’s Foreign Ministry on Thursday also released a statement noting that there are “more than 5,000 Indian nationals, including about 4,000 students, in different parts of Ukraine.” At the same time, India’s overall interest in Ukraine is fairly negligible—certainly less than China’s, for instance—and thus Delhi might assess that it has more to gain by publicly sticking by Moscow at a time when it desperately needs support.

India also has plenty of interests in certain regions along its peripheral, and at certain times—such as during the Sri Lanka Civil War—has intervened to protect various societal groups with strong ties to India. Unlike China, then, India may assess it has an interest in an international precedent in which major powers can intervene in countries along their borders. At the same time, such an international precedent could be used by Pakistan to justify intervening in Kashmir.

Telegraph India offers another reason. According to the report cited above, Indian officials have told Telegraph India that, in the newspaper’s words, Delhi is “convinced that the West’s tacit support for a series of attempted coups against democratically elected governments — in Egypt, Thailand and now Ukraine — has only weakened democratic roots in these countries.”

This rationale would be consistent with India’s long-standing, deep-seated abhorrence to anything that merely resembles Western imperialism. At the same time, India has not historically made supporting democracy abroad a central tenet of its foreign policy.

 

 

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Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:43 | 4526687 1stepcloser
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Sure they do, the best slushy comes out of Ukraine

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:25 | 4526767 EscapingProgress
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All of this foreplay is really killing me. Can we just have a nuclear war already? As long as all countries agree to put Go-Pros on the tips of their ICBMs and post the live video feeds on the internet for our entertainment I think we'll be OK.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:27 | 4526779 0b1knob
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The reason for India's stand is obvious.  Russia invades its former province of Ukraine.    One day India might want to invade its former province of Pakistan.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:33 | 4526798 long-shorty
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Ukraine and belorus are big competitors of India for IT outsourcing. Look at the stock of EPAM since crisis began, then look at the Indian it firms. Instability in eastern Europe is a big economic positive for India and its current account.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:45 | 4526826 Event Horizon
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Vladimir Putin met with Formula 1 President Bernie Ecclestone.

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Thank you very much.

When do we plan to launch Formula 1?

BERNIE ECCLESTONE: In October.

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6792

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:20 | 4526890 Independent
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Guess the Indians know only too well the imperialism attached to the English language.

Plus Gandhi never would of liked protesters with guns

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:58 | 4526951 UselessEater
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BRICS have been busy.......

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/brics-bank-rival-world-bank-and-imf-and-ch...

http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_10/What-will-happen-to-global-economy-i...

http://thebricspost.com/brics-bank-to-reduce-risks-in-emerging-markets/

http://thebricspost.com/when-india-china-shake-hands-world-notices/#.Umi...

thebricspost.com/world-bank-welcomes-brics-bank/#.UW_YQesjpXM 

the articles could lead one to speculate once the IMF gets past US opposition to changing its veto voting rights then WB, IMF etc can help the BRICS Bank waiting in the wings, with gold foing west to east and ongoing calls for new currency... Urkraine is looking more pivotal in chaning geo-political relations and perceptions for agendas that go beyond pipelines, not sure WW3 is the goal (maybe in the years to come) but sure looks like this is more about isolating the US and USD and fostering more global governance and centrally planned bullshit.

 

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:51 | 4527246 Wahooo
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Not sure I'd buy an Indian made AK.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:15 | 4527266 SWRichmond
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US pisses off Russia, tells world it's Russia's fault.

Russia refuses to back down.

China sides with Russia, citing American imperialist meddling gone awry.

India sides with Russia, citing the same.

Drop your cocks and grab your socks, kids.  This ain't looking good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:50 | 4527307 kaiserhoff
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India wants Russia to help kick China and Pakistan out of Kashmir. 

Borders are being redrawn all over Asia, mostly by the Chinese, but the lame steam median are too busy covering up for Barry to notice.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:55 | 4527930 Truthseeker2
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Exposé explains the whole deal, particularly the BRICS posture.

.

"How is this announcement related to the preplanned Ukraine ‘Color Revolution’ executed by the Anglo-American Axis?"

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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4356

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 11:10 | 4527485 silvermail
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"Invasion" it is what makes today U.S. troops in Iraq.
They are looking for weapons of mass destruction? And how many more years the U.S. Army, will be trying to find these fictional, non-existent weapons in a foreign country?
Or the United States in the pocket there is a request of the legitimate authorities of the Iraqi, about military assistance?

What about U.S. troops in Afganistan? It is not illegal "Invasion"?
When in Washington begin to rant about "sovereignty", it is perceived by the world community only as a new anecdote.
World aggressor number one, publicly says rants about "sovereignty"! LOL
http://i.imgur.com/G89DoGV.jpg?1

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:03 | 4527324 drdolittle
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I've always had good luck with the stuff I buy from India. High quality at a very reasonable price.

JK, not sure which end of the gun would be scarier.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:08 | 4527334 kaiserhoff
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Serious question.

What kinds of things does India manufacture, and export in bulk?

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4527681 sangell
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Mahindra tractors are fairly well known to people who buy tractors. Jaguar cars are owned by an Indian firm but are still made in the UK. I also recall noticing manhole covers being made in India. I realized that  years ago when I had to pull them up after finding a gas leak blowing into a storm sewer.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:12 | 4527091 Drifter
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India is the "I" in BRICS, which I call "ANA", the new Asian Nuclear Alliance. 

It could be "AMA" too, the new Asian Monetary Alliance.

Or how bout "AMNA", the new Asian Monetary / Nuclear Alliance", bringing a new gold-backed monetary system, backed up with a shitload of nuclear weapons.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 04:34 | 4527117 The wheels on t...
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Nice, this post deserves alot more attention!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:46 | 4527209 edwardo1
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As always, one has to ask, who benefits? The idea that gangster Putin's gambit, which involves invading a sovereign nation, is remotely acceptable, is absurd on the face.

Every pretext offered is exaggerated where it is not entirely bogus. Putin, a monster himself, backed a sociopath and Ukrainians ousted him. Whether the U.S. supported the movement against Yanuckovych is irrelevant. If there weren't widespread support for the kleptocrat's ouster, no revolt would have transpired let alone been successful. Putin knows this, and what India and China are doing, essentially nodding in support of invading a sovereign nation, is utterly self serving and incredibly dangerous. If this incursion is not properly dealt with, and it does not appear likely that it will be as widespread condemnation, which is needed at a minimum, is not forthcoming from the global community, you can be sure that there will be more of the same coming across the planet in the months and years to come. India and China may be backing Russian aggression because they have monetary reform designs that are anti-dollar based, but there will be some very unpleasant (perhaps unintended) consequences- imagine China going for Taiwan or some lesser Pacific territorial prize- if the aforesaid great nations attempt to bestow the patina of legitimacy to that which is egregiously unlawful.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:02 | 4527214 negative rates
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Well there is a law for unins, and a law for weins, and they AINT the same law!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:53 | 4527314 Buckaroo Banzai
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"If there weren't widespread support for the kleptocrat's ouster, no revolt would have transpired let alone been successful."

Exactly. All the idiots who think US-backed neo-Nazis were the driving force behind the overthrow of the kleptocrats overlook the obvious fact that hundreds of thousands of people don't materialize in the streets unless they have a compelling, personal reason to do so.

"The idea that gangster Putin's gambit, which involves invading a sovereign nation, is remotely acceptable, is absurd on the face."

There is a flaw in your logic here. First, Crimea is actually a semi-autonomous republic. Second, until 1954, it was actually part of Russia. Third, it is full of ethnic Russians. So there is a meaningful gray area here.

That said, here is the case that Putin is entirely in the wrong: when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, Russia and the western nations signed a treaty guaranteeing ukraine's territorial integrity. I am surprised that this fact gets overlooked. The real takeaway here, of course, is that Ukraine was stupid to give up its nukes. But still-- everyone agreed that Ukraine was going to be left alone, and now they are fucking with that.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:13 | 4527347 kaiserhoff
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Good summary Buck.  So many of the comments on this subject have been barking at the moon mad.  The love fest for Putin is especially troubling.  Gangsters should not be worshiped.

According to ZH, the hot war has been on like Donkey Kong for a week now.  We should study their methods, and learn to fight wars with Zero casualties.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 11:26 | 4527526 silvermail
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Gangster Obama, brought to power in Kiev, their pocket fascists.
http://www.veooz.com/photos/GuBblb.html

Gangster Obama, brought to power in Kiev these fascists undemocratically. Rebels backed by the U.S., made ??in Kiev armed coup.
They seized power in Kiev by force and deceit , through the willful slaughter and human sacrifice.

But part of the regions of Ukraine, refused to obey the fascist junta and gangster Washington. They remained faithful to the Constitution Ukraine and the democratically elected President.
At the request of the legitimate President of Ukraine and the full support of the population in these areas , Russia sent troops.
QUESTION: Who is the aggressor and gangster here: Putin or Obama?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:51 | 4527722 sangell
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Thoughtful comments in a forum of assholes and screwballs, 99% of whom could not write you a check today for $10,000 but for some reason hang out on a site that is basically financial,  are not appreciated. No one denies Russia has legitimate interests in Ukraine. Its Navy has a major base there but why the Indian foreign minister chose to seemingly 'tilt' his statement towards Russia is interesting. Oil and Gas or maybe India, with a large diaspora of its nationals throughout Asia, Africa and the South Pacific wants to adopt the Hitler/Putin doctrine that wherever our people are we reserve the right to intervene. For example Fiji and other small Pacific Island nations where the aborginal people have, on occasion, attacked the Indian population.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:05 | 4528093 silvermail
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Most importantly, India did not accept the doctrine of Hitler/Obama.

http://i.imgur.com/G89DoGV.jpg?1

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:58 | 4527460 silvermail
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Only a complete idiot would call an "occupation", a request for military assistance, from the legitimate authority in the person of the President, democratically elected.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:35 | 4526918 Dr. Destructo
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Dude, have you ever thought about our schedules? A lot of us work 5 days a week, and then would like to enjoy our weekends. Just because you have nothing going on doesn't mean we would want a nuclear war spoiling OUR plans.

Seriously, some people...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:05 | 4527188 Quinvarius
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You make a powerful argument for rescheduling this to happen on Monday.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:53 | 4527312 Oliver Klozoff
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Yeah!

Let's start the week off with a bang, S+P 2000!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:47 | 4527703 Ness.
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I know I'm speaking for the entire platoon when I say...

...this WAR should be postponed until this platoon is better rested.
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:17 | 4527363 kaiserhoff
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Well done, Sir.

Until I started reading ZH, I thought understated sarcasm was mostly a Midwest art form, but there are many roads to Nirvana;).

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 11:07 | 4527478 CPL
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Hey tough guy.  Put your money where your mouth is and how about you go help over at fukushima in the clean up efforts.  See how tough you are after a year.

bawk bawk bawk bawk bawk!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:29 | 4526784 Vampyroteuthis ...
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At the same time, India has not historically made supporting democracy abroad a central tenet of its foreign policy.

This line is a load of crap. India cares about India. Don't kid yourself.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:46 | 4526694 lead salad
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Quick, get Owebama on the phone to Punjab, or whaterver the hell his name is....another photo opp moment.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:50 | 4526701 Boomberg
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The US will never sanction India for anything. India can shut off the IT support pipeline and every Fortune 500 corporation would shut down within hours. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:11 | 4526741 One And Only
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Please.

Finally pay some Americans to answer the phone. I hate it when I get that guy that doesn't speak English and it takes 2 hours to solve a 3 minute problem.

And to that tech guy in India - I know your name isn't fucking Adam Smith you lying piece of shit.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:21 | 4526759 Skateboarder
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You think he likes being Adam Smith? We're all being played, fool.

It's not his fault for seeking a job within his means. It's not your fault for getting him as your phone-to guy. It's the multinational coropration's fault for outsourcing labor and allowing this horseshit to happen.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:25 | 4526770 One And Only
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If taxes weren't raised to pay for medicare part d maybe that job wouldn't have been outsourced and I wouldn't have had him on the phone.

Bottom line: Bush's fault.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:33 | 4526800 Skateboarder
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If taxes were not levied for income, social security, and healthcare, we wouldn't be in this steaming pile of shit to begin with. Not Bush's fault, but rather his predecessors that set up the conditions. Clinton did more 'damage' than Bush in that sector.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:05 | 4526958 gwiss
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Hence the requirement for apportionment of direct taxes in the original Constitution.  They wanted to make taxation honest by tying spending to funding.  No company credit card spending sprees.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:03 | 4526957 Anusocracy
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If it weren't for the dollar's reserve currency status we couldn't afford Indian call centers.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:25 | 4526987 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Bottom line: Bush's fault."~

Holy shit, man! Talk about using a dead stick to beat the dead horse! How long have you been reading ZH? Do you really think it started with either 41 or 43? We got sold out way, way before that. Part of coming to Fight Club is using FC to knock the crap out of your blinders. Get over the "libtard or neocon" mentality. If you view events through that prism you've already lost, (though many here will argue that we've already lost anyway). Give up your blue pill ways, amigo. Figure out how you've been fucked and then work to defeat that. Start with your big-bank checking account. Then protect yourself from the coming non-voluntary, forced "bail-in" of your retirement account. Grow a garden. Stack PMs. Exercise, a lot. (You're going to need the stamina.)

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:46 | 4527005 One And Only
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Sense of humor.

I guess /sarc needs to be added to every comment?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:47 | 4527063 RaceToTheBottom
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"using a dead stick to beat the dead horse!"

I use a live stick to beat a dead horse.

Or is it a dead stick to beat a live horse?  I always forget, I just know there is beating involved...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 03:29 | 4527088 James-Morrison
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We be pirates here.

The beatings will continue until the morale improves, argh.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 04:46 | 4527122 edotabin
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Nah.... I'm getting as fat as possible. I figure it'll give me an extra month or two of fat comsumption when there is nothing left to eat.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:27 | 4526780 Grande Tetons
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I like dealing with these IT guys from India. I have never had a problem. They are always polite...kinda refreshing. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:36 | 4526806 Boomberg
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Those doing phone support are only a tiny fraction of IT support in India. Virtually every major corporation has their data centers supported by fully or partially by staff in India. Only hardware support is local, and even then some corporations have the hardware overseas also. Acme Inc. outsources all IT support, operating system, network, database, application servers, web servers to a major outsource provider like IBM. IBM then supports Acme from India, but Brazil, Ireland, and other nations are also suppliers of cheap IT labor. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4526824 lolmao500
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Well I work for a big multinational in Canada... and they outsourced the IT support to the USA...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:50 | 4526840 Skateboarder
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Wno further outsourced it to India?

I too have a family member who works for a big multinational. Being on the supply chain side, he deals with IT folks in the US, in India, and sometimes in China and Brazil. The 'organizers' are in the US, while the gruntwork is done in India (mostly) and China sometimes.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:02 | 4526828 Grande Tetons
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Yes, it is no doubt the IT sector has been great for the young Indian go getter.  On the CSU side...I admire their dedication to learning close to perfect English. Some, can even switch to French....or...Spanish. Pretty remarkable.  NAMs minus the N,  kinda what the Statue of Liberty WAS all about. 

Give me your tired, your poor, 
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, 
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. 
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: 
I lift my lamp beside the golden door

 

The key word is yearning. It does not mean a pulse or a big fucking bag of money. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:39 | 4526812 Skateboarder
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Y'know, I've yet to deal with an Indian call center rep that was not polite or respectful these days. In the past I've had some fools pushing their shit, i.e. "sir, are you sure you don't want to sign up for blah blah blah?", but never impolite or disrespectfull. Perhaps they have ironed out the kinks by now.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:50 | 4526834 Grande Tetons
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Could be. My post was only anecdotal. All I can say is that Shaiquah, Dillon or Amber can not hold a candle to Raj. Again...anecdotal. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:07 | 4526869 Skateboarder
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Of course, GT. I know what you're saying. :)

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:23 | 4526980 The_Dude
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You probably need to learn to tune your ear....Filipino call centers are the ones that are polite and capable....Indians customer service typically consists of them reading from a script and being painfully incapable of understanding and accomodating the most basic issue....

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:32 | 4527281 EddieBurgerPie
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When you say polite do you mean a thick Indian accent that is barely comprehensible, reading from a script and sounding like a robot? I would prefer an indignant IT person with a real personality and real knowledge to resolve my tech problems. Good luck finding that these days. Its kind of like finding an American born NYC taxi driver. I use to enjoy listening to their feisty and well informed conversations....

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:09 | 4526966 The_Dude
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You forgot the sarc tag....

Of course the multinationals would outsource their product support to the place in the world with some of the most dense and socialy misadjusted people....

If I wanted to get people to surrender in frustration, I would do the same thing...I am sure it saves them huge on product support costs.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:35 | 4526992 Kirk2NCC1701
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Politeness is merely used to mask low level skills, and is not an acceptable substitute.

As one of the posts above says... They turn a 3 minute problem into a much longer event.

Apparently the US does not crank out enough MBAs or people with math competence, to realize that lower rates times longer resolution times does not necessarily lower IT costs.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:26 | 4527395 falak pema
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thats called long distance fellatio with a lot of curry sauce. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:33 | 4527283 Dugald
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Bring the jobs back....easy, you just have to work for the same wages as Adam Smith.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:50 | 4527015 Mineral-Invest
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My wife prefers 2 hours when solving my 3-minute problem...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:24 | 4527386 falak pema
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well she can count the incredibly long count...Hey Dempsey, you get a second bite at the cherry. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:18 | 4527270 Wahooo
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Here's an idea: in order for companies to claim U.S. headquarter status, they must have 95% of their employees based in the 50 states. Otherwise, they are treated legally as foreign companies. Let TPTB and their executive flunkies deal with that. "So IBM and Microsoft and Oracle and Ford and Citi Group and Google, you want to offer your products in competition with our US-owned companies? Let's dicker."

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:33 | 4526797 Freddie
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Yeah - what a shame.   It might force the cheap Fortune 500 companies to hire superior American programmers who do not write spaghetti software code.  They could also hire Russians and Ukrainians who are also very good. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:13 | 4526876 icanhasbailout
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and suddenly everyone will remember their relatives who used to work in IT but lost their jobs when they were forced to train their foreign replacements

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:50 | 4526703 lolmao500
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In other news...

'Several dozen' SA-18 (Igla) MANPADs missing from 's military depots

Stolen... or given to militias... or what... I guess we're about to find out. Russia armor on the move to Crimea...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:15 | 4526751 disabledvet
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"insta-war." just add more troops.

Nobody is a big fan of borders being redrawn...anywhere.
And of course everyone is big fan of a "short, painless Russian intervention" ala the USA and Grenada or something. "These are not the interventions you are looking for."

"These are not the interventions we are looking for." Move along, move along...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:52 | 4526705 Theta_Burn
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And now India joins the fray..

American exceptionalism not so exceptional these days.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:09 | 4526740 SWRichmond
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Cant say I'm happy about this but cant say I blame them.  

USA "leaders" need to be replaced with some who will mind our own business.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:42 | 4527001 Kirk2NCC1701
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Call me a cynic or realist, but as much as I welcome this statement, I rather doubt that this will get any MSM play.

And give it one call from the WH, and a more US-favorable statement will come out -- which will get MSM airtime.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:59 | 4527255 29.5 hours
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"give it one call from the WH, and a more US-favorable statement will come out"

That would have been certainly true a while ago. But since the U.S. carried out the public hand-cuffing and strip search of an Indian diplomat because she *may* have underpaid a nanny, Indian public opinion is right now kind of tilted against pro-U.S. butt-kissing.

When the U.S. government acts with such arrogance, chickens are eager to come home to roost.

 

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:15 | 4527354 Oliver Klozoff
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Maybe they are pissed at having all their calls intercepted and recorded by the nsa or being told how to live and conduct their own affairs in their own country or still being treated like a western "colony" or...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:41 | 4527241 agent default
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Nonsense, American exceptionalism is alive and well.  The US has fucked up exceptionally. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:01 | 4527322 Buckaroo Banzai
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The whole premise of "American exceptionalism" hinges on the idea that our ancestors came here to GET AWAY FROM the kind of stupid bullshit that the Federal Government now embraces.

Oh well.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:54 | 4526708 Rakshas
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er..... Bullish..??

Dear India

Lift your gold restrictions kick the 'Bama in the nads - oooh hope Reg has dental - just to make things really interesting - let the Indian people buy gold while it is still on sale.  And for fuck sake don't buy any Monsanto Beans or Co(r)n....... that ought to drive a few more nails in the Banksters feet,

Long crucifixion (I know that ain't the correct spellin') Crosses

.......Bitchez 

 

PS - Stop calling me at dinner time I don't want to lower the interest rates on my damned credit cards 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:55 | 4526711 RafterManFMJ
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Say, I wonder how (B)razil and (S)outh Africa will weigh in?

This could be a very big year, bitchez!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:59 | 4526722 Rakshas
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Well the PNAC nutjobs set one of thier goals to carry out and win multi theater war........ I say go nuts psychotards the front is that way and don't forget your bag of rocks .........  

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:06 | 4526734 besnook
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i guess india has finally made a definitive choice between the west and the east, like india would turn back to britain, lol.

 

the usa zionist confetti eagle coalition of the useless has been declared an endangered species facing certain extinction. peace in our lifetime is actually possible as long as nutandyahoo can be taken out.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:07 | 4526736 One And Only
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Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:46 | 4526831 IridiumRebel
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Thanks for exemplifying the amount of knowledge that most Americans have about India.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:58 | 4526855 Skateboarder
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Proto Indo-European animal-sacrifice traditions that spanned Iceland to India -> Pre-vedic traditions that spanned Persia to India -> Vedic traditions borne out of the Indus valley and surroundings -> Upanishadic tradition borne out of Vedic addendums -> Buddhism, Hinduism -> **millennia pass** -> Slumdog Millionaire.

Thanks, Hollywood.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:16 | 4526879 Grande Tetons
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You forgot  Apu and the Quickie Mart. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:57 | 4527211 ParkAveFlasher
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Gold-hoarding cow-worshippers!  Stealing call center jobs from our retirees!  JDAM THEIR ASSES

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:46 | 4527009 Mineral-Invest
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And Life of Pi!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:08 | 4526737 SteveNYC
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The Indians did not like taking their marching orders from DC in regards to Iran and the recent sanctions on Iran's energy industry. It harmed India. Now that their "Big Brahs' Russia and China are on the same side, against the West on Ukraine, makes it much easier for India to pick a side that aligns more with its interests.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:27 | 4527203 negative rates
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YOU didn't have to cast that stone and then go to war about it, when you were far from being completely withOUT sin.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:17 | 4526754 pashley1411
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"the West’s tacit support for a series of attempted coups against democratically elected governments - in Egypt, Thailand and now Ukraine " and on the populist side on all 3.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:20 | 4526762 Oldballplayer
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I can't help but smell curry whenever there are pictures of Indians.

Must be my brain tumor.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:24 | 4526768 Son of Captain Nemo
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To the plight of the people of Ukraine in what Europe has perpetrated against you.  A proposal from Russia to Germany and those EU members who need Gazprom to live not survive...

I am adopting a prototype policy for "gas delivery" to Western Europe developed by none other than Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of Israel that is being used to cut off the water to 45,000 Palestinian refugees.

Because of the diplomatic santion(s) being imposed unlawfully on Russia's military support in Crimea due to the overthrow of a legitimate government of the sovereign people of Ukraine with mob rule imposed through foreign intervention I have no other options but to enforce this policy effective immediately.

Who knows?...

If Netanyahu can stop the systematic genocide of the Palestinians and turns back on the water in the Shuafat Refugee Camp perhaps I can do something similar in Germany and other places... if you are all good little girlz and boyz and behave like Nations that obey the rule of law!

Shuafat refugee camp Shuafat refugee camp
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:16 | 4527358 yochananmichael
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your dead jew god would disagree

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:26 | 4526775 robertocarlos
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It's USA, Israel, and Canada vs. the world.

PS. Euro weiners don't count.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:51 | 4527016 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sorry to say that Canada doesn't count either.
They're good little Colonists: they do as they're told.. by Israel, UK or the US.

But they're 'nice' aboat* it. E.g., if their soldiers shoot someone, they'll apologize for it afterwards. ;-)

* 'about' sounds like 'aboat' in Canada.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:03 | 4527325 Buckaroo Banzai
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Actually it sounds more like "aboot"

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:54 | 4527452 new guy
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Where I live "about" doesn't sound like aboat or aboot. I'm pretty sure its you non canadians who are mis pronouncing it.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:26 | 4526777 q99x2
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Man when this situation clears the markets are headed to the moon.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:36 | 4526804 jonjon831983
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Well... makes sense after this insult: "The Case of Devyani Khobragade and India-US Relations"

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vishakha-n-desai/culture-matters-the-case-...

 

(Not that it'd be the only reason)

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:11 | 4526816 IridiumRebel
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It's not like India has any experience with regions that are in dispute(Kashmir *cough*).

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:46 | 4526832 GumbyMe
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About 20 years ago, Joanna Quinn created a short animated film called Britannia, which was a satire on the rise and fall of the British Empire. Today, one could easily substitute US for Britain, and that short film would be just as relevant.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKSLu2n7jL4

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:48 | 4526833 Atomizer
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MINT

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:50 | 4526838 ebworthen
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India could use a friend against Pakistan, and China.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:50 | 4526839 user2011
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Russia has been developing weapons with India.   They have the hypersonic missiles and the latest gen 5 jet fighters.

There is no way india not backing Russia,after China is backing Russia.    If India back out, the China and Russia will even be closer.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:52 | 4527069 Freddie
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Yes.  The Russians and India are working or have worked on the SU-30 and are working on T-50.  The have a pretty close relationship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNUeknv69o

Chinese have Su-27's and Su-29s.  The United States is a joke now.  This was by design to destroy America. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gumv5EUBWKs

Here is a good video on why the USA F-35 is a piece of crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw

The guy speaking was on of the developers of the F-16 and A-10.  He said the F-16 is still the best fighter and that the F-35 and F-22 are junk.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:32 | 4527204 negative rates
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Maybe it's the pilots forward thinking attitude that is your piece of crapitalizm. You have seen the scarecrow of a president the states have currently,correct? Could THAT be it?? We already know everything is designed to go to hell in a hand basket.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:20 | 4526892 Josh Randall
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Did the Indian Minister drive up to the press conference in a TATA Micro?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:29 | 4526908 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Just more tripe from the garbage scow known as The Diplomat.

At the same time, India has not historically made supporting democracy abroad a central tenet of its foreign policy.

At the same time, the US has historically made defeating democracy abroad a central tenet of its foreign policy.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:40 | 4526924 Itchy and Scratchy
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Well let's see how the Democratic international visionary of the free world is doing so far. Indian and China accounts for half the planet population against the Kenyan. All of South America is anti America. Asst Sec of State Victoria Nudleman tells Europe to F.O. Middle East/Bengazia an American created deadly disastor that will be escalating again shortly. Hmmmm looks like the Minimum Wage, Nobel Peace Prize winning, Jr Senator from Illinois and affirmative action poster child with a new vision of reconcilliation and openess to international diplomacy is doing a fine job. And somehow he is still able to fit in 300 rounds of gold and dozens of holidays. Change I Believe In for sure.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 03:02 | 4527073 Freddie
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Yeah but Obama was going to make the world love America. The number of people who hate America has grown exponentially under Obama. The people who do not hate America laugh at it now. This was by design.

Oh and America's high tech now has been exposed as spy shit that spies on everyone.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:42 | 4527208 kenezen
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Nastily written. but succinctly true!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:36 | 4527206 negative rates
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You do know that 3/4 of India is a complete and utter slum don't you. The likes of which would make a tent city look like a clean and shining Moscow subway. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:08 | 4527219 Winston Churchill
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A little better than Detroit though.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:41 | 4526928 vjmali
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Expect to see Sen McCain in Srinagar, Kashmir soon.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:10 | 4526968 Manipuflation
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:26 | 4527396 Oliver Klozoff
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"I see the eye of the fish."

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:24 | 4526986 Soul Glow
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East vs. West for real.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:37 | 4527207 negative rates
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Are you predicting the break up of the States Mississippi style.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:34 | 4526991 Catullus
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Maybe it's because the NYPD strip searched one of their diplomats because she paid her house worker just 100x the average wage in India while being a nanny in NY.

Because those things have no consequences and I'm sure they forgot about that once our news cycle was done.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 08:31 | 4527233 ThisIsBob
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I never understood why India got its knickers in such a twist over that, as rape seems to be a national passtime there.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:23 | 4527383 IBelieveInMagic
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Have you been living under a rock? Have you seen what goes on in many of the porn sites here?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:36 | 4526993 bluskyes
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Is that the sound of the gun being cocked,against the USD's status as the world's reserve currency?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:48 | 4527011 yogibear
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Good. Maybe they can also dump all their US dollars as well.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:11 | 4527037 Clowns on Acid
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Indians don't like black people. They certainly don't like / trust Obama.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:03 | 4528360 TrustWho
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Putin feels same towards Black people. I know Americans have their holier than thou attitude. Americans can refusa to view the world through others' eyes, but only at their peril!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 04:28 | 4527075 Johnny Cocknballs
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Oh Mr. Zeck, you neocon posing as a realist, why would India side with what Ms. Nudelman et al. represent?

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 05:49 | 4527155 falak pema
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the BRICS stick together in the wall of resistance to Pax Americana shenanigans of selling debt to Ukraine in order to bet against Putin's Eurasian dream. 

"We prefer Eurasia customs union to Pax Americana hegemony of Dollar debased frenzy and NSA peepholia envy." Chindia replies. 

Whats wrong with multipolar logic in a one track race to bottom of the pile, as decreed by FED fiat dissemination?

"We will not ALL be slaves to the petrodollar debased sickness."

Makes sense to me.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:23 | 4527199 zippy_uk
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INDIA:

China and Pakistan are my enemies, so Russia is my friend.

The US is Pakistan's friend, but one they could do with out.

Russia and China are pretend friends with each other.

We can do without friendship with the US but they are doing such a bad job 

for their "friend" Pakistan we have become illicit friends in secret.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:23 | 4527273 sessinpo
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Everyone is pretend friends with whomever as long as the percieved benefits outweight the percieved costs.

There are no actual friends in foriegn policy.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:25 | 4527392 zippy_uk
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let me add the <cynicism> tag to complete the post.

My point is not who is friends with who, rather  vairous populations don't know who there governments are actually "friends" or "enemies" with.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:14 | 4527267 highwaytoserfdom
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"Nonsense, American exceptionalism is alive and well.  The US has fucked up exceptionally. "

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/behind-kiev-snipers-it-was-some...

War is the health of the state.. Mike Rogers ABC where is the 10b aegis to keep us safe..  They did Gulf of Tonkin, El Salvador priest, Panama. Cross drilling Kuwait, 911, BOSTON..

 

NOW AIRPLANE ROGERS SELLING TERROR......   USA USA USA.....    folks we are the Wiemar and and the dollar is our pound of flesh...   

OLD STORY LIBERTY FOR FREEDOM....  

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:35 | 4527417 smacker
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India's tacit support for Russia doesn't surprise me. It has a long memory of western imperialism (which at one level is what Ukraine is about).

I guess that Brazil also tacitly supports Russia, not least because of the BRIC relationships and its own long memories of western imperialism.

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