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Ukraine's Military Mobilizes, Prepares For Combat: Trucks, APCs, SAMs, Howitzers, Tanks Rolling Out

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Did somebody say de-escalation?

Earlier today, photos were distributed showing the latest military convoy reinforcements heading into the Crimea, accompanies by a Police car demonstrating Moscow license plate numbers, most likely providing further support to the pro-Russian forces in the peninsula.

 

Supposedly the trucks are carrying troops to reinforces the members of the new Crimean army, pictured below:

 

While at the same time along the makeshift border between Crimea and the mainland, the Pro-Russian forces are putting down minefields.

 

However, the Ukrainians, having already been mobilized for over a week, finally appear set to seize back the offensive:

The first clip below captured the 80th Airborne Regiment out of Lviv moving out, direction mainland, preparing to repel foreign attack.

 

The next video shows what are allegedly Buk SAM batteries deployed in the Donetsk region, a city in Eastern Ukraine which in the past week has swayed between Ukraine and Russian authority.

 

The clip below shows the 95th Airborne brigade also moving out of their barracks in Zhytomyr in western Ukraine, heading East, with an impressive deployment of trucks and APCs.

 

2S19 "Msta-S" 152mm Howitzers on the move to Crimea.

 

Finally, 20 T-64 tanks preparing to depart in Bila Tserkva, a city in central Ukraine:

 

So where again are all those pundits who were so eager to explain away the Ukraine confrontation as one that will promptly be forgotten, and is by now most certainly priced in?

(Source: @Ukroblogger, @SergeyPonomarev)

 

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Sat, 03/08/2014 - 16:54 | 4525543 agent default
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Have we gone we full retard yet?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 16:56 | 4525547 European American
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Boots and Saddles. Rise and Shine. This is No Drill.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 16:58 | 4525554 Millivanilli
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Hopefully they send their Cavalry to meet Putin's jets.  

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:00 | 4525558 TeamDepends
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War is a racket.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:01 | 4525562 Millivanilli
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Immortalized...

 

The Charge of the Light Brigade

Half a league, half a league,
  Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death,
  Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
  Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
  Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
  All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
  Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
  Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
  All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
  Noble six hundred!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:08 | 4525576 flacon
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Russia is "doing war" the correct way (I am againist war in general however): "Blitzkrieg!"

 

No long drawn out "talks" with the Europeans. "Action now!" is the name of the game.

 

Let's hope this takes the American stock markets down a peg or two, or five hundred (S&P). 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:11 | 4525596 Arius
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We are all Ukrainians now!

 

Long Live Mrs. Wahl a real American Hero and her physician partner!  Russia TV should hire her back!!!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:15 | 4525612 ThirdWorldDude
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I suggest you send Ms. Wahl in the first lines to liberate Crimea

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:18 | 4525622 gmrpeabody
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Cops are writing them up for something...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:20 | 4525631 Hephaestus
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Ludicrous Speed!

 

http://youtu.be/ygE01sOhzz0

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:56 | 4525714 TruthInSunshine
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WTF

TPTB must really, really want a war, as they seem to be instigating Ukraine to actually engage in a hot military conflict with Russia.

This is the type of sick, twisted shit older, wiser people told you happens for all the wrong, greedy, larcenous, evil reasons when you are young & naive, and you think "no way is that possible," and then you learn the ugly truth that they were correct, and the ugly truth about humanity, once you become older & wiser.

Where is the Victoria Nuland/Robert Kagan Council On Foreign Relations O ne World Order 182nd Liver Eater Battalion?

*p.s. - I see that the lying cunt Judith Miller, who was a neocon plant at The New York Slimes, who helped Cheney spread WMD yellowcake lies to drag the U.S. I to the 2nd Iraq War (who should have been executed), is back in the air and being given a larger megaphone by Faux News. What a sick joke ALL MSM has become.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:56 | 4525738 general ambivalent
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Yes, I figured after Syria they really are trying hard to fuck the world into the post-nuclear age; but also hoping that they actually would back off as some of the passive language suggested.

But how many red lines can one draw and erase before eventually getting confused? They have real red lines somewhere, they're just deeply coded.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:12 | 4525781 National Blessing
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The Ukraine is making a huge mistake.  Their government is giving Putin an excuse to go all KGB on their asses.  Bitches.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:08 | 4525955 ZerOhead
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Even if they win they lose...

The arable and non-irradiated farmland in the west will go to the better capitalised German agroindustry like happened in Poland.

The operational and productive factories in the east will be shut down once economic relations with Russia ceases.

The peasants will be crushed by the debt servicing costs and cuts imposed by the West's banksters and they don't even get to leave the Ukraine and head to France and England for better lives. The European offer is a trade deal only.

They are fucked.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:35 | 4526080 mjcOH1
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"Cops are writing them up for something..."

 

So.....operating a 12ton SAM launcher without the proper license endorsements.

That's a 1200 million ruple fine, son.   Ya got that on ya, right?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:20 | 4526249 Manthong
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Time to check the popcorn supply.

Vlad cannot allow the maniacs in Kiev to run things nor the maroons in the US and EU to try to call the shots there.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:27 | 4526284 TerminalDebt
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Vlad the Invader getting things ready

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:48 | 4526937 jeff montanye
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truth in sunshine has got it right.

victoria nuland (AKA Victoria Jane Nuland Born: 1961 Birthplace: Undetermined Location, CT Gender: Female Religion: Jewish) is married to robert kagan (Nuland’s husband is historian Robert Kagan, Council on Foreign Relations member, and co-founders (ed. note plural) of the infamous "Project for the New American Century" (PNAC). The PNAC called for, among many things, regime change in Iraq.

Nuland has emerged as one of the key figures who have been accused by various sources of initiating a cover up of the 2012 Benghazi attack. After reading the first draft of the State Department talking points that stated that the incident was a coordinated terrorist attack, she sent a message writing that they "could be abused by members of Congress to beat the State Department for not paying attention to agency warnings so why would we want to seed the Hill."[5] After this memo former United States Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice was given talking points that formed the basis of her statements on This Week with George Stephanopoulos,[6] Meet the Press,[7] State of the Union with Candy Crowley,[8] and Fox News Sunday.[9][10] Critics had argued that Nuland's nomination as Assistant Secretary of State would come up against firm opposition from Republicans, based on her role in the Benghazi controversy. (ed. note: she is currently an assistant secretary of state)

o brave republicans!  guess she was neoconservative enough for them. and this is just from wikipedia.  imagine what someone with some hate for the zionists could have cooked up.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:11 | 4527193 GetZeeGold
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ALL wars are bankers wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 20:40 | 4529000 The Alarmist
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Gee, from my old days in the USAF, I'd have to ask if they were all pulled over 'cos someone has a flat and they need vehicle maintenance to come up an fix it.  Looks more like a weekend warrior exercise than a full-on charge into battle.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 23:53 | 4529485 Scarlett
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Meanwhile in socialist paradise venezuela, the shots contunue raging on!  

http://youtu.be/lN-nZWqiTew

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 02:36 | 4529624 old naughty
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TiS is correct...

and he's right about Judith. She's back on air, meaning things are getting close...

But likely not what appears, coz one hand visible and the other, not visible but stirring...Not EUCremeA, not missing plane...

Behind the curtain, ...

Utterly evil.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:55 | 4527308 Headbanger
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Love those AK-47s with the muzzle brakes and the wood furniture .  But where's the bayonets you mookniks!?

This could be a horrible war cause both sides are similarly equipped and trained, speak same language, very familiar with the terrain, drink same vodka..

Civilians should get the hell out now!

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:58 | 4527462 Overfed
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Those are AK-74. 5.45 X 39mm.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:47 | 4527891 Truthseeker2
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This exposé tells the WHOLE story!

 

"How is this announcement related to the preplanned Ukraine ‘Color Revolution’ executed by the Anglo-American Axis?"

.

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4356

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:23 | 4528413 Lost Word
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Link above from Truthseeker2 suggests that the Mainstream Media and Establishment politicians

and all three branches of the US Government

are all Guilty of Felony crimes in the cover-up of Obama's Felony crimes, beginning

with the cover-up of Obama's birth certificate forgery, and much more.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:50 | 4526945 Soul Glow
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Here is a great podcast by the one and only Dan Carlin talking about what a dumb move it was for United States Ambassadors to try for a coup detat in Ukraine.

Dan Carlin - Common Sense:

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/e/e/0/ee0dcdcb2482f64a/cswdcc70.mp3?c_id=68825...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:17 | 4527041 walküre
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It seems that history is already written and the records are supposed to put blame at the US for its alleged efforts to destabilize Ukraine and to lend credibility and support to a rogue group of "Nazis" who ousted the previous pro Russian and corrupt leadership.

The jury is still out on that one, folks. This is not how it went down. History will be recorded when all facts are on the table and only until after the fat lady has sung.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 10:16 | 4527357 Bendromeda Strain
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Bullshit. History will be recorded by the winners... same as always.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:04 | 4527587 walküre
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Fascinating isn't it? Think about it. What do we really know about history then? Relying on recordings and maybe some findings to substantiate a "story". But whose story and how objective was the story recorded? Take it a step further. There is NO history or history is being made every second of a minute, every minute of an hour, every hour of a day, every day of a week, every week of a month, every month of a year, every year of a decade, a century, a millenium. Pretty neat how much history has happened, how little we actually still know and possibly ever will know unless we invented time travel.

Think about how many generations have passed and people would still prefer to hold on to "history" or their paradigms instead of questionning it all and refusing to accept anything that's official anymore. Few do and they're having a tough time at it but the vast majority is ignorant and stupid.

Now back to the reporting from the Ukraine and the propaganda that's been put out to shape your world view and opinion.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:58 | 4528075 narapoiddyslexia
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Putting aside history for a moment, am I the only one who sees a connection between the South China Sea and the Crimea? 

Think about it. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:43 | 4527699 Winston Smith 2009
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"Here is a great podcast by the one and only Dan Carlin talking about what a dumb move it was for United States Ambassadors to try for a coup detat in Ukraine."

Wow! I didn't know about this guy. I will listen to his material from now on. At least in this podcast, he's 100% in line with my thoughts on all the subjects he covers in it.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:41 | 4526098 MeMadMax
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This new ukrainian president must've got Ochooma's blessing after he was able to successfully SWALLOW, not SPIT the white gooey stuff...

 

Time to dust out the ol' bomb shelter...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:51 | 4526385 Againstthelie
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And not to forget gay marriage, feminism, gender-mainstreaming and destruction of all traditional values.

Cannonfodder for the Money Masters.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:16 | 4526977 401K of Dooom
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I ;icked the wrong time to exist.  Why could I have been born in the 1920's?  When the greatest generation was getting ready to endure the great depression and win the second world war.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:19 | 4527045 walküre
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You will get your Depression 100% assured now, and you may even get your chance to become the next "greatest" generation this nation has ever seen. Happy now?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:34 | 4526538 Jendrzejczyk
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How many fucking accounts do you have. Bitch?

Is he still eating pumpkin pie, drinking Dr. Pepper and wandering rice paddys?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:43 | 4526567 Mine Is Bigger
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There is no indication where the Ukrainian troops are going.  They may be heading south to secure Odessa and other port cities.  It's clear by now they cannot do anyting about Crimea.  But if the Kiev government loses southern Ukraine, there will be no navy for them.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:20 | 4526884 Lore
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You don't think the display is chiefly for public consumption? The vids are being aired on mainstream TV.  To my untrained eyes, there is nothing here that could not be inferred.  If there was a significant operation underway, one highly doubts that sensitive details would be shared openly. 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:44 | 4527003 Mine Is Bigger
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That was kind of my point.  I thought we cannot tell where those military vehicles are going.  But I thought it's unlikely they are heading toward Crimea.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:14 | 4525788 Wait What
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sometimes red lines can be pretty obvious, too: "Russia sinks own ship to block Ukraine vessels from Black Sea." this is a little harder to erase.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2014/03/russia_sinks_own_ship_to_block.html

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:39 | 4525868 johngaltfla
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And just to add some spice to Obama's losing foreign policy choices, Saudi Arabia and other GCC members look like they are ready to take on the Qatar and their support of the Muslim Brotherhood:

 

Saudi Arabia Betrays Obama’s Policies and Bans the Muslim Brotherhod as a Terrorist Organization

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:52 | 4525910 rfaze
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USA will not get involved. We only kill brown people. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:21 | 4526499 Mine Is Bigger
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Yes.  Yugoslavia was full of brown people!!!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:55 | 4526948 jeff montanye
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and i guess brown is the new yellow.

http://www.vietnamgear.com/casualties.aspx

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:40 | 4526999 401K of Dooom
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Yeah the Serbs are descendents of the mongoloids. The whites in South Africa are Mestizos as well.  And most of all, the ancestors who established the Confederacy were members of the Bantu and Watusi tribes of Africa! LOL and pass the Sarc.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:17 | 4526013 silvermail
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Russia in this particular issue, will go to the end. If someone is not yet understood this, then all this world will burn in nuclear fire.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:12 | 4526749 johngaltfla
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New Video Purports to show Russian Armor Leaving Novorossiysk for Crimea

Man, these folks have balls filming all these troop movements and posting them!!!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:26 | 4526903 Pseudonymous
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You can read a more accurate description of where the location is and where the vehicles could have been going here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-08/ukraines-military-mobilizes-prepares-combat-trucks-apcs-tanks-rolling-out?page=1#comment-4526578

In the video they are seen actually headed towards a junction which could lead them either towards Crimea or towards the port city of Novorossiysk.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:48 | 4526941 Independent
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Only Russia can prevent Crimea becoming just like all of the other countries that have been bombed into democracy, bled dry and then abandoned to anarchy by the globalists.

It may be too late for Ukraine

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:31 | 4528440 Lost Word
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Only You can prevent Crimea?

Or was that forest fires?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:02 | 4526863 EmmittFitzhume
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You sound like Boris

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:34 | 4526894 Lore
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Agreed.  Russians will never suffer Nazis, proxy or otherwise.  It's time for cool heads to take charge.  THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER WAY. 

"Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:43 | 4526104 MeMadMax
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You didn't sink that!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:28 | 4526292 SMG
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I think the TBTP do want a war so Russia/China take the blame for killing the dollar and not them.  Who knows maybe China will take advantage of the chaos caused by a loss for reserve staus of the dollar by taking the Senkaku Islands from Japan.

Just setting up a depopulating WWIII in 5 - 10 years.

I feel like I'm living in a waking nightmare.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:16 | 4526472 unrulian
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Months

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:24 | 4526985 DaveyJones
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well said Truth

and there's a special place in hell for Judith

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:20 | 4527792 Wizard of Ozman
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You know we are in trouble when Pravda/RT is the best channel for news in America. Then in a close second Al Jazzera. We are so F@$#*d. 6.06

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:52 | 4525725 Anusocracy
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The Russians should pretend to be Al Qaeda and the US will send them arms.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:08 | 4525972 agent default
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Why would they want US junk for?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 00:38 | 4526920 Lore
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It is interesting how the "Al Qaeda" franchise seems to have exhausted its usefulness, unless that's reserved for operations in MENA?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:28 | 4525660 Berspankme
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officer I swear I was only doing 55

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:55 | 4525922 MarkD
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I stopped you cuz you have a headlight out.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:31 | 4526067 DoubleTap
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"Do you have any weapons in here I need to know about?"

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:11 | 4526743 Oliver Klozoff
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"Nah. You don't need to know about them."

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:33 | 4527284 DaveyJones
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watch out for those "furtive movements"

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 20:27 | 4528967 StychoKiller
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Especially "clenching of butt-cheeks!"

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:53 | 4525917 SWRichmond
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Cops are writing them up for something...

Gotta tell ya, that was my first thought.  Cop sees convoy speeding, thinks he can fully fund his retirement plan if he pulls them all over and writes them each a ticket.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:08 | 4526446 Occident Mortal
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These Ukrainians aren't going to take forward positions...

They are defecting.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:44 | 4526689 mccvilb
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New Crimean Army all right. 4th pic down, check out the marching soldiers'uniforms. One's coat is so big his hands don't show, and two of them got the other's hat size. What's the over under they even have ammo for those rifles?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:34 | 4526323 Flagit
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Cops are writing them up for something...

 

we are saved from ww3 by...barney fife!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:21 | 4525635 Hmmmmm
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Liz Wahl is a liar and can't turn a thought into a coherent sentence even when reading it. Good riddance.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:47 | 4525705 Arius
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what she did is commendable and should be followed by others ....

 

remember Freedom Fries, or better the Old Shoe ... well thats how it starts and is done!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:00 | 4525748 general ambivalent
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She wasn't working at USNATO Today. Or wait, maybe she was.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:07 | 4525767 zhandax
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"remember Freedom Fries, or better the Old Shoe ... well thats how it starts and is done!"

Yes, remember Old Shoe.  Now I understand.  I still think RT wasn't liberal enough for her, but I can see this possibility.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:59 | 4526172 Missiondweller
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Seems we have a lot of Soviet wannabes here on ZH today.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:33 | 4526320 richsob
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No shit.  This site has been taken over by the loons:  Russian apologists, people who hate Obama's weakness then make fun of any attempt to stand up to Putin, etc.  It's obvious some of the posters are just talking out of their ass.  Now, down arrow the shit out of me.  Sometimes the truth hurts.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:04 | 4526415 matrix2012
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dipshits... there are so many Sionist/USZATO/NsaCia paid trolls here lately, they appear more and more at ZH, seems the Ukraine coup need more spins and twists... really abominable!!!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:37 | 4526546 Flagit
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there are so many Sionist/USZATO/NsaCia paid trolls here lately, they appear more and more at ZH

im going to appologize for that. i started to notice a swing in that direction after i emailed senator dick durbin the link for this story.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-31/unidentified-marine-sums-it-all

the reply i got was that we needed to bomb syria to save the USA (dollar as worlds reserve currency).

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:07 | 4526962 jeff montanye
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like to hear more details of that letter.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 09:32 | 4527280 GetZeeGold
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A shout out to my KGB homeboys.....you know who you are.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:59 | 4526724 TheFourthStooge-ing
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richsob said:

This site has been taken over by the loons:  Russian apologists, people who hate Obama's weakness then make fun of any attempt to stand up to Putin, etc.

This is a reasonable point of view for those who are still at least partially ensnared by the cradle-to-grave programming drummed into residents of the US and its vassal countries. It's a difficult trap to escape because it is designed to be comforting to believers.

That is why the mainstream media are mainstream. Differences among them on picayune wedge issues exist only to make sure that the core programming reaches the widest possible range of prejudices. Their common core is that they are US government apologists, people who profess to love/hate* the strengths/weaknesses* of [any current president] in order to promote more War For The Good Of Humanity©.

*it doesn't matter which

Things like torture, incinerating innocent people, and overthrowing democracies which aren't sufficiently subservient are more easily overlooked when belief in the US as The Good Guys® is a visceral sense requiring no thought.

It's obvious some of the posters are just talking out of their ass.

That is an accurate observation. What I find both peculiar and pitiable are those who cling to the untrue and contradictory notions that the US "won" the Cold War and the Soviet Union still exists.

Now, down arrow the shit out of me.

Sometimes that's the only thing understood and/or deserved.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

It also requires thought and effort to find it and recognize it. It's no wonder so many choose the comfort of familiar myths.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:14 | 4526974 jeff montanye
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like most of what you said but somehow "the u.s. and its vassal countries" doesn't describe the critical u.s./israel relationship.  unless of course the u.s. is itself a vassal as well as a lord.  see prior notes on victoria nuland and robert kagan.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:29 | 4526989 TheReplacement
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"It also requires thought and effort to find it and recognize it. It's no wonder so many choose the comfort of familiar myths."

People push narratives as indisputable fact.  I ask for some sort of proof (sniper pics) and get downvoted like crazy.  The loons are here and they live on myth.  I've found very few here want to talk truth on the matter of Ukraine.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:25 | 4525650 cossack55
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Sorry, still a cossack from the Kuban.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:10 | 4525983 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Arius said:

We are all Ukrainians now!

Funny, that's the same thing Grandpa Traitor, the tyrannosaurid-armed senator from Arizona, said a week or two ago.

Quite a coincidence when you think about it. When Georgia initiated hostilities against South Ossetia at the same time as the 2008 summer olympics (another coincidence), Grandpa Traitor said, "we're all Georgians now." The Georgian military then suffered a stunning defeat.

Since the Ukrainian military has now been blessed with the McCain curse, they might want to reconsider who their leaders and commanders are working for.

Hint: it's not the Ukrainian people.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:19 | 4526978 jeff montanye
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mccain's curse seemed to apply to his own actual aircraft:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/mccain_fudges_his_...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 23:24 | 4529433 StupidEarthlings
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Ok..so This is only my 2nd post here..and I dig th8s place..but my main prob herer is when people keep replying to other posts...its dang almost impossible to read...just like 1 word at a time space down and another word. .takin up so much space. .I thought it was my fone. .but computer does it too...maybe the code writers cld make it a lil more user friendly. ..

Only kinda shows that nobody here actually reads. .kinda too busy typing.

Good luck to all.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 23:25 | 4529434 StupidEarthlings
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Ok..so This is only my 2nd post here..and I dig th8s place..but my main prob herer is when people keep replying to other posts...its dang almost impossible to read...just like 1 word at a time space down and another word. .takin up so much space. .I thought it was my fone. .but computer does it too...maybe the code writers cld make it a lil more user friendly. ..

Only kinda shows that nobody here actually reads. .kinda too busy typing.

Good luck to all.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:14 | 4525997 silvermail
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We are all Ukrainians now?

No, We are all Russians now!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:52 | 4526584 MontgomeryScott
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WB7 posted an article yesterday regarding this situation.

In a reply to a comment about McVain, he posted another pic, and this followup:

Here is an email I received from a Ukrainian ZH lurker who I happen to know because he has bought prints from me. What do you think about this?

 

"When Zerohedge first started, I tried to get an account and had problems. One of the Tylers said that my logon must have been in spam. I said it was not. Anyway the discussion broke down and I started to think only certain people had access, so the discussion comments section did not reflect real people. I ended up abusing one of the Tylers, and ever since I was a lurker.

Ukrainians used to be Serfs, owned by regional administrators who were Jewish. They extracted tribute and kept a cut, then passed on to the Princes in the various Principalities.

For this reason, Ukrainians have suspicion and disdain for Jews ( I grew up with disgust for Jews, family said they were scum).

There is envy of the Oligarchs who rule Ukraine, but they know they have money and can pay henchman to hurt (Ukrainian Mafia) so people do nothing.

I don't hate Jews, I just know some ill feeling Jews never think for the Ukrainian peasantry and treat us like shit kickers still. This is a fact. I guess it is just human nature at the 0.1% mentality.

For this reason Nazis exploited this and used Ukrainians willing to do the dirty work. Babi Ya in Ukraine (Mass Killing of Jews) was at hands of Village Idiot Ukrainians given guns and drunk on power.

Now they Right Wing Ukrainians have some power and they want to get rid of Ukrainian Jew Oligarchs and others. This is fact. They chant this.

For this reason, Putin has legitimate fears for Russians (Read Jews) in Ukraine.

The USA has to keep out of this and can let Russia assume martial control to ensure free and fair elections.

You can publish this.

Anonymous"

 

WB7: I have not been to Kiev recently, but I have been there a handful/number of times and I am not surprised at this. On all my trips, which were in the 90s, I had an armed guard following me upon the insistence of my hosts.

And yes, there are many fierce anti-semites in that part of the world, which surprised me because there was nary a jew to be seen.

And now I will tell you what I think.

We and the EU should have minded our own fucking business and let these people settle their own differences.

Now it is a legitimate question to ask: WTF did you geniuses think would happen?

The answer is the EU leadership are a bunch of useful idiots. It never occurred to them that it would be a bad idea to cut off your gas and cause a Russian run on London's banks.

And the neo-cons, now they will get what they wanted, because we will be told we now have to spend all kinds of fiat on rebuilding our conventional military to meet the "dangerous new national security challenges" we are facing.

What national security challenges? Well, go and see what Hagel said about the state of our military.

And that is what makes the globalist world go round.

"War is profit"

Did you follow the meanings, and can you name the group that is behind this? an eywitness's testimony, includng the local perspective, is worth more than any conjecture.

Putin is a messenger-boi for GASPROM. Obama's simply a puppet who does what HIS masters tell him (and they seem to be rather unable to decide what is the best course of action at the moment).

War is a RACKET, and the bankers stand to profit, no matter wich side 'wins'.

FUCK THE BANKERS!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:23 | 4526984 jeff montanye
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:39 | 4527054 walküre
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Cyprus was the "template"...

cause a Russian run on London's banks

...for Russian deposits outside of Russia. I think that was the real meaning when whoever it was, "misspoke" on the Cyprus bail-ins. Much of the money in Cyprus was Russian oligarch money that evaporated into thin air.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 12:50 | 4527718 SameAsItEverWas
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Am I the only one here who reads Harry E. Barnes (1889—1968)?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:30 | 4528003 dizzyfingers
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SameAsItEverWas  Thanks for the reference H.E. Barnes.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:13 | 4525604 remain calm
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I hope the Ukranian Army has watched the '300 The Rise Of An Empire' because they are going to need help from a Spartan like friend. Would Obama be so stupid? I hope not but I am afraid he is just that fucking stupid.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:43 | 4525688 Freddie
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The Ukrianian Army should go looking for the MF-ing oligarchs who are trying to sell them out to the EU, IMF, Red Shield and ZATO.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:53 | 4525703 nonclaim
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And look for Russian oligarchs too!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:56 | 4525736 Anusocracy
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American is not spelled R-u-s-s-i-a-n.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:45 | 4526115 nonclaim
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.

That the eurasian team spend the time to post a dumb reply and up vote it as much as down vote me (3 as of now) is beyond the retarded threshold.

If you do it for free, don't you have anything better to do?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 05:14 | 4527141 Volkodav
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They are not ethnic Russians.

 

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:52 | 4528054 richsob
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Down arrows for this guy's objective comment?  Could it be any more obvious that a shit load of Russkies has also invaded this website?  Why?  Wasn't Ukraine enough for you?  TRB (Typical Russian Behavior).  Go ahead, Ivan, start down-arrowing me too. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:42 | 4525692 EscapingProgress
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Dear Putin:

Please liberate America next. The American government is a tyrannical regime that murders its own citizens without even a trial (Abdulrahman al-Awlaki), and imprisons millions in a virtual Gulag Archipelago after coercing the majority of them into pleading guilty to nonviolent "crimes" when there is little to no evidence of any guilt. This regime also possesses stockpiles of nuclear weapons which it has threatened to use on multiple occasions, and it constantly silences and undermines dissent.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:51 | 4525884 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dear Americans:

You need to take back your Future in your own hands, rather than using Blogs to the exclusion of everything else.  You need to start marching on DC and demand back your Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Four Freedoms, an unregulated, free & competitive Media, and take back your currency from the monopoly of the private banking cartel, known as The Fed.

March is here, spring is just around the corner, and some "March Madness" in DC is just the ticket.

Given the recent actions and precedent set by your leaders, when your zealots start taking over buildings in DC, we might also "recognize" them as the "legitimate government".  But... your leaders not fear, as they know that Americans would rather watch March Madness, than create it. 

Best wishes and Good Luck.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:18 | 4526020 Tradehard
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To EscapingProgress

If people like you are the best America has to offer. Better start learning Russian. You are about to find out what the red menace is all about. You either stand up now or get fcked twice as hard later.

 

Sincerely,

Someone born in a country occupied by the USSR

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:20 | 4526764 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Tradehard said:

You are about to find out what the red menace is all about. You either stand up now or get fcked twice as hard later.

The Soviet Union hasn't existed for over 20 years. The only people kept awake at night by a "red menace" are net.kooks. You're not a net.kook, are you?

Sincerely,

Someone born in a country occupied by the USSR

Did you forget that Russia was the biggest country occupied and brutalized by the USSR, or did your comic book history education never mention that?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 05:12 | 4527137 Volkodav
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Soviet is defunct.

USSR was not a Russian construct.

From 1917 thru Stalin it was never Russians in control.

Russians suffered more than any..

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 05:36 | 4527152 Sandmann
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It was a Jewish Construct in every European Communist Country........every level of the Soviet State was run by Jewish Bolsheviks - NKVD and every echelon until they found Israel and the USA more conducive. It was an evil experiment carried out on Russia which would otherwise have been one of the world's major economies - Germany's fear in 1914 - which like the US with China gave it only a few years "window"

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:58 | 4526166 Wahooo
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We're all Russian soldiers now.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:01 | 4526182 Missiondweller
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Fuck you commie pig!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:29 | 4526297 TungstenBars
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Fuck you fascist dog!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:59 | 4526723 tenpanhandle
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unfortunately "fuck me" is how I think it will end up.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:27 | 4526988 jeff montanye
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for those with the time for and luxury of introspection.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:30 | 4525665 Freddie
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Putin is making sure Zato does not get any of their mercenaries in the game.  I doubt the US Military or any of the EU unionized parade armies will join the fight.  Zato is probably looking for some Al Qeada mercs.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:49 | 4525902 william114085
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flacon...you're against war, yet you appreciate Russia's "action now"?  Has Ukraine invaded Russia?  I have some Ukrainian friends who are sick of all of the corruption in their country.  They are sick of the bankers, the EU, Russia, the Zionist Oligarchs, crooked politicians....and now some of them might die.  But you appreciate Russia's "action now".....and everyone seems to agree with you.  When America has it's turn and some brave people stand up to the tyranny (maybe you included), hopefully nobody will be cheerleading a bullet into your head.  

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:08 | 4525965 flacon
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What I am saying is that if one wants to go to war, it is more advantageous to actually "GO to war" and do it QUICKLY than it is to hold decades of "talks" and "summits" that never go anywhere (which is a war of attrition and gives the criminals plenty of years to syphon the system dry of resources before the country's empty carcas is turned over to the wild birds).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:31 | 4526522 matrix2012
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TOO LATE FOR UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. THE VAULT IS EMPY NOW.  THE THUGS ALREADY LOOTED THE GOLD RESERVES.

 

The entire Gold reserve of Ukraine has been moved to the United States

 

03.08.2014

According to employees  of "Borispol" airport, Ukraine, tonight at 2 AM, an unregistered transport aircraft took off from the airport.

According to the staff of the "Borispol" airport in Ukraine, four large armed trucks and two cargo minivan Volkswagen without license plates arrived to the airport and parked near a transport aircraft at the end of one of runways. About fifteen people in black uniform, wearing masks and bullet-proof vests came out of these vans. Some of them were armed with assault rifles. These people have moved more than 40 heavy boxes from the trucks into the aircraft.

After it, some of these mysterious men also boarded the aircraft. All loading was carried out in great haste. After this, the aircraft immediately took off.

People observing this mysterious "special operation" immediately notified the senior officials of the "Borispol" airport who issued a strong warning "to stay out for your own good".

Later, one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of Revenue and Taxes reported that, according to his information, last night, at the order of one of the "new Ukrainian leaders" (read: Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the Jewish Ukrainian, the bankster's lackey) the entire gold reserve of Ukraine has been sent to in the United States.  

 

Read it here (translated link)

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:33 | 4527051 walküre
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Might have been flown to Switzerland. In any case, bring it to safety before Ivan comes knocking. Old European proverb. Ivan came and disassembled entire factories and shipped them back to Russia. When Ivan shows up, it's game over. People over there will never forget.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 07:20 | 4527197 Zwelgje
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Just as German gold is "safe" in NY?

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:33 | 4526074 D7z
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Just check the Sponsors of the current interim Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk:

http://imgur.com/SRSH0Ag

Black Sea Trust for Regional Cooperation ("a project of the German Marshall Fund"), Chatham House, International Renaissance Foundation (G.Soros), NATO, US DoD, etc

So you can imagine mostly US Citizen initiated that Chaos, not Putin.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:00 | 4526179 Lost Word
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A short history of Jews and Communists in Ukraine

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/03/nationalists-jews-and-the-u...

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:55 | 4526396 Againstthelie
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flacon,

Blitzkrieg described a certain operational and tactical use of military forces in combat. It has nothing to do how fast or slow the troops are deployed.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:37 | 4526994 jeff montanye
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right. there was a faction that wanted to call it "turtle war" because the tanks kind of looked like turtles.  but the "lightning war" side won out because they thought their s.s. insignia kind of looked like lightning bolts.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:01 | 4525755 Going Loco
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Best ever comment on the charge of the light brigade: C'est manifique mais ce n'est pas la guerre. 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:02 | 4525949 Kirk2NCC1701
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If Secular leaders (Emperors, Kings, Presidents and Prime Ministers) did not create "HEROES", who would want to fight, bleed and die for them?

Napoleon realized that "Medals and Knighthood are cheaper than Estates and wealth".

If Clerical leaders (Popes, Cardinals, Bishops and Rabis) did not create "MARTYRS & SAINTS", who would want to proselytize, bleed and die for them?

If Executives could not convince their people to "sacrifice" themselves, how are they to keep getting their year-end bonuses and maintain their lifestyles?

The 100% Hero, the 100% Martyr or Saint, the 100% are 100% Fools.  Perhaps only the 100% Company Man has a real chance at wealth, lifestyle and longevity (if he retires rich enough and soon enough).

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:02 | 4526188 Wahooo
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Fuck the uniforms and fuck the medals. Just a whole lotta TPTB propaganda crap.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:03 | 4525953 SuperRay
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As a combat veteran, I have to say you are a fucking moron.  This poem glorifies dying for banker overloads who treat soldiers as cannon fodder.  I prefer Yossarian to Kipling.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:45 | 4526116 Optimusprime
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Tennyson, not Kipling.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 01:39 | 4526998 jeff montanye
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true, but sometimes a tad similar.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:52 | 4526134 Millivanilli
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I put it down as a reference to Crimea.  Now fuck off, cunt.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:08 | 4526739 AgShaman
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:43 | 4527058 Independent
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Honour the charge they made...." Nothing noble, rather it is tragic in having died for the Rothschilds and their kind.  And people to this day still die for them in a charge.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 19:39 | 4526093 Flybyknight
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Those arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands with glee.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4526308 Son of Captain Nemo
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War is a racket.

War is a racket but decidedly different when thermonuclear warheads get thrown in the mix.  If Truman is in Hell looking up he's saying what a bad choice he made in hindsight!

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 17:15 | 4525611 Gringo Viejo
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Ukrainian Soldier: Sucks to be you, 'bro.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:01 | 4525754 Anusocracy
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Well it won't suck for very long.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:42 | 4526342 disabledvet
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that's a lot of T64's. If you're taking the time to load them all rail cars it's because they're fully loaded with ammo. Obviously the purpose is not to attack (that would suicidal)...but if dug in in the right way that really will ruin your day. Clearly the entire Region is against Russia for doing this...no shots have been fired yet so there's still time for common sense to prevail here. This is Europe however. Not a military guy but one look at the physical "structure" of Ukraine says this is not a country you want to invade "lightly." It has large interior spaces and has robust logistical infrastructure. The attack...if one is coming and lets hope not...would have to go off perfectly because any "hiccups" along the way and you could be subjected to a withering counter attack. We'll know more come Monday...I'm sure President Putin has a few tricks up his sleeve if he intends on going on all. This is not a liberation however but a full fledged invasion of a country that has been independent for 20 years "and lovin' it." They just got rid of their corrupt officials...having Russians coming in as a consequence will not go over well. They will not take lightly to any occupation and I can't think of a worse place to occupy than the Crimea where "every home a pill box."

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:03 | 4526428 Againstthelie
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You know what happened to Shermans and T34 when they faced Panther and Tigers? These T64 probably will face T90 if things spin out of control.

I'd also recommend to take a closer look at the trucks: teared and holey canvas covers. As if they would have been in war for years. :D This tells me, this army is not good.

Would need to see them march but it's probably as desastrous as what we have seen on the videos.

 

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 22:46 | 4526693 Lost Word
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The Germans had better tanks,

in North Africa, in Europe,

but the Germans still lost the war in North Africa and Europe.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:39 | 4526811 disabledvet
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not saying Ukraine will win...but I will be rooting for the little guy here.
These folks did nothing wrong...and for that Russia launches a full scale invasion?

A "155mm howitzer" is not "light cavalry" you morons.
And a minefield? That sounds like they're afraid of an attack.
Messy, messy, messy...

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 02:52 | 4527050 SilverRhino
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>>Not a military guy but one look at the ....

No, you are most certainly not.

Those T-64's are fucking toast against frontline Russian armor.   And Russia's AT Helos ... Alligators, Hokums, Hinds and Havocs will make utter mincemeat out of them. 

 

Actually after checking that video out, those are not T-64's or even T-64BM Bulat models that the Ukraine uses.    

 

Those are T-80UD's or T-84's .... the slope and design of the reactive armor panels are what appears to be the distinguishing factors.   (Modernized T-64's dont have double slopes on the turrets)


Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:38 | 4527859 disabledvet
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So they have an even better tank...going up against what appears to be BMP's led by a police car.

I should say I'm not a "military statistician." I've been that American Spetnasz and as a consequence got to see what the local yokels think of me up close and personal...and like you and a he bulk of all others here..."it wasn't to many up arrows."

I never had the safety of armor or helicopter gunships, or armchair warriors and "battle plans that made any sense." The only word was "go" and the plan was "we'll figure it out when we get there." And that's exactly what this looks like to me. Luckily for me there was a "time/date certain for leaving" so we never had to take and hold territory.

Have you ever had to do that Mr Smartypants? Take someone else's land, authority, governing structure and "make it your own"? Cuz that sure looks like what is going on here...and from my personal experience it doesn't just get harder by the day but by the hour.

Already am reading stories of Russian soldiers fighting under Ukrainian flag who will change sides...and since they are given the option of the smug local yokel types to "go back to Ukraine...ha, ha"....well, Ukraine ain't all that bad...whereas Crimea can turn into a living hell for all those Sovietski flag waving types.

"The power of this battle station is insignificant next to the power of the force."

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 16:41 | 4528281 SilverRhino
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Mr Smartypants just did that Desert Storm break / kill stuff in Kuwait / Iraq thing.   Clearing minefields ... you know ... it's like Call of Duty.   

What I DO know is that Ivan knows armor and how to kill it.   And if this balloon goes up .... can you say high intensity NBC battlefield?   GRU is going to have a field day out there.   

And why would you say that there are problems with invading the Ukraine?   It's FLAT out there.   The biggest terrain problem is the Dnepier River system that cuts Ukraine in half.    Blow the bridges north & west of Kremenchuk, capture (and hold) the bridges south and east that bridge and you've crippled EU / Ukrainian lines.  

Logistics is going to be the trick but then Rostov-On-Don, Krasnodar, Kursk & Volgograd are close enough to support.

Ivan's gonna fight if he gets pushed.   And he's going to win unless you want to start advocating dropping nukes.  

 

 

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:47 | 4528479 Lost Word
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Like in Afghanistan?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 21:54 | 4529204 SilverRhino
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Right ... because a shitload of Russians had been lving in Afghanistan for the last 100 years.  

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 18:43 | 4525882 DoubleTap
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Hopefully the pawns will drop their arms and quit the bidding of the tyrants. However I'm afraid they worship their costumes and medals too much.

A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.

Napoleon Bonaparte


Sat, 03/08/2014 - 20:43 | 4526355 disabledvet
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He will fight longer and harder for his/her Independence.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 21:38 | 4526548 DoubleTap
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When was the last time that happened? Disabledvet, are you proud to be a duped pawn fighting for your masters? I wasted a few years in the army thinking I was going to fight for my freedom too. You need to get wake up to what you are or were, a pawn and cannon foddle, so some ass hole can get rich off your fresh because you believed the patriotic propaganda. War is a racket when waged by a gov. Maybe it's for freedom when the people fight their gov. But the Ukrainians are just wasting their flesh for another master, they won't win freedom.

Sat, 03/08/2014 - 23:40 | 4526813 August
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Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself.

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