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Former US Defense Secretary Gates Admits "Crimea Will Not Slip Out Of Russia's Hands"

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"I do not believe that Crimea will slip out of Russia's hands," former Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Fox News this morning adding that there is little chance Ukraine will be able to get back control. When asked in this brief clip "You think Crimea's gone?" Gates responded clearly, "I do." Gates then goes on to explain why Obama's foreign policy didn't "embolden" Putin and perhaps more importantly defends Obama's "taking the weekend off in the middle of a crisis" golf trip...

 

 

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Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:48 | 4527898 goldhedge
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Did Gates try to hang himself?

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:53 | 4527917 Truthseeker2
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Gates knows exactly what's going down -->

"WAG THE DOG"

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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4356
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:16 | 4527969 quintago
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Thank god for this man. He's been doing everything within his power to make it clear that we won't act and to write Crimea off. Is it arrogant the way we refer to Crimea as being gone, and the way Nuland addresses the "friendlies" on that leaked call? Yes, but shit, this man at least realizes the ridiculousness of risking war with Russia over this.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:22 | 4527984 agent default
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Exactly who the fuck is "we"?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:31 | 4528004 quintago
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good point. they

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:41 | 4528028 SWRichmond
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"I do not believe that Crimea will slip out of Russia's hands,"

So what was the clincher for you, Bob?  Might have been when they started mining the frontier?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:53 | 4528058 macholatte
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I object to the headline.  He did not "admit" anything. He stated his opinion.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:01 | 4528083 narapoiddyslexia
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China and Russia are playing two-on-one. Soon, the Chinese will escalate in the South China Sea, then Russia will escalate in the Ukraine, and so on.

How far will it go? 

Who will stop them?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:12 | 4528113 silvermail
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How about the question of who will stop the U.S.?

http://i.imgur.com/G89DoGV.jpg?1

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 21:15 | 4529096 Independent
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Pretty soon the govt in Kiev will be without a country.   Which way goes Crimea so will a lot of states in Ukraine.  Crimea is such a valuable prize, not just militarily but beauty wise, it is the favority place for Ukrainians to go for summer holiday.  Russia does not need to fire a shot, there will be referendums all over Ukraine, and there really is no military to stop them and certainly the military will not go against the will of the people.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:32 | 4528126 LMAOLORI
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The U.S. is a member of NATO so thats what 28 countries vs. Russia, China.  I get what you are saying but I just wanted to point that out.  The U.S. should stop paying for revolutions with taxpayer dollars and this wouldn't be an issue.

 

Ukraine crisis: Russian troops take Ukrainian border guards hostage

snip

 

The capture of the Chernomorskoye border post – the 11th so far – unfolded without bloodshed before dawn.

Russian forces' seizure of the southern Ukrainian region, which began 11 days ago, has been without open combat. 

 

vs.

 

BBC Now Admits: Armed Nazis Led “Revolution” in Kiev, Ukraine
Sun, 03/09/2014 - 19:05 | 4528726 ptolemy_newit
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Seems BBC and CNN are reading ZH and have understood the violence is in Kiev, let’s see if they can be truthful?

At this moment the USA is a terrorist organization and the EU are bumbling idiots.

Ted you pussy get your respect back before you die, report like a real investigative news team, Prove us wrong?

 

PS: Victoria where are yuuuuuoooooo! 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 16:05 | 4528236 SteveNYC
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On point, great big picture observation. They will take turns at stretching the empire in each direction, in order to weaken it......

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 20:20 | 4528944 Bangin7GramRocks
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Don't even fucking start with that domino theory bullshit again! We needlessly lost tens of thousands of good men the last time chicken hawk pussy ass bitches talked about "where will it end" and "who will stop them". Mind our own fucking business!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 20:50 | 4529019 chemystical
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"We needlessly lost tens of thousands of good men the last time chicken hawk pussy ass bitches talked about "where will it end" and "who will stop them". Mind our own fucking business!"

Channeling Charles Lindburg, Taft, Wilke, etc?  I've noted this before, but just as today, the US populace was then firmly against intervention.  Then Roosevelt and his Zio-Administration had their own 9/11 (not exactly a false flag on Dec 7, but certainly preventable had they chosen to do so).  Then Lindburg fell off the radar, the jingoism was in full press, and Wilke practically campaigned for FDR.

FDR was at an all-time low in popularity.  He was well on his way out of office per every poll.  Obama is in the same situation with regard to popularity, but has the 22nd Amendment to contend with, so I'm not saying the siutation is entirely analogous.  We do, however, have a President who is more than willing to violate the Constitution and who couldn't possibly care less what the people want.  And false flags do sometimes happen, and sway sentiment towards the freedom fries.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 18:33 | 4528624 CIABS
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I love this.  Chris Wallace asking whether "Crimea is gone".  In other words, have we lost Crimea to Putin?  We being the U.S.A.  When did we have Crimea?  It wasn't "gone" until now?  Was it ever not "gone"?  It's fine that Gates delivered the news to the TV-watching public, but it's not fine that he dignified the wording of the question.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:25 | 4527991 johnQpublic
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oblamey should have stuck to the white lines and left red lines to NASCAR

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:42 | 4528158 ebworthen
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Wasn't Alaska owned by Russia?  "Seward's folly" and all that.

Are we going to give it back and let them put missiles there? 

Hell's bells Alaska wasn't even a State until 1959, five years after Kruschev gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 under the old Soviet empire.

Gates is a tool of the Military Industrial Complex, and a delusional neo-con.  Of course Russia is not going to give up Crimea or access to the Black Sea.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:54 | 4527928 Eireann go Brach
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Putin would bitch slap the shoe shine boy Obama if they were to duel it out in a ring!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:29 | 4527996 williambanzai7
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His handlers must be total half wits to let him go and play golf at a time like this. And then to take pictures of him talking to Putin in his golf duds...

Tell me they don't deserve to get lampooned mercilessly.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:01 | 4528086 williambanzai7
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      Junked by Sunstein…

 

 

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Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:20 | 4528131 cossack55
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"Look at the americansky pussy, Igor," said Vlad.  "Rubber fucking spikes"   LMFAO (in Russian) 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 19:16 | 4528766 max2205
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Looks like he shaves his arms....waAaa

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 19:10 | 4528744 Berspankme
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Obama pondering a ride up the hershey highway with Reggie

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:13 | 4527942 Smegley Wanxalot
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probably, but like anyone in govt, he failed and now we all must suffer .... listening to his dumb ass.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:01 | 4528084 rubiconsolutions
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Putin to Obama: "Well Crimea river"

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:51 | 4527910 Totentänzerlied
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"defends Obama's "taking the weekend off in the middle of a crisis" golf trip..."

Defend the thesis that this is in fact and in reality a "crisis" for Obama.

The behavior of government officials during alleged "crises" belies the truth.

For them and to them, it is a game and nothing else. Respond accordingly.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:23 | 4527986 lakecity55
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Golf Trip?

Hahhaha, he is wearing a speedo, shacked up in a hotle with other rentboys, snorting rush and getting off.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:33 | 4528008 LetsGetPhysical
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Barry doesn't decide shit anyhow....might as well going golfing. He's just the token black president put in there to make the serfs feel better about themselves. By Gates tone I get the feeling that there's already a handshake deal with Putin.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:57 | 4528070 RaceToTheBottom
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Did anyone really think that Crimia was in play?
It has been and will always be a Russian port.

It was not up for discussion.  The only question is what happens in Ukraine, mostly Eastern Ukraine

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:41 | 4528018 Omen IV
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it was weird how the media switched to this plane crash as the major story - which coincides with obama playing golf -

 must means crimea is gone so they want to descalate early - question is are russians taking a stand on eastern ukraine - seems like putin has told obama  he will not go farther than the crimea - which is a mistake for him - should get it over with and take the south and east and then let the west crash economically

 game will be decided over NATO front line move east or not

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:23 | 4528137 cossack55
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Plane crash story affects Boeing bottom line.  Until we start flinging some Raytheon and GE shit around and creating demand.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 16:29 | 4528282 Freddie
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This is always the media's way.  When the false flag, illegal coup or some other illegal BS does not work out - they switch the story.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 01:26 | 4529585 Independent
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Maybe Putin has learned from American Presidents and he is lying now to Obama.  Given how many times the Russians have been lied to these last twenty years, I think we have it coming.  Of course East Ukraine is next that is where the Russian MIC has factories and important know how they do not want to lose.  Of course also top on the agenda is Odessa region which allows them to connect to Transnister the breakaway Moldovan Russian republic

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:22 | 4528414 Berspankme
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Have they  posted a picture of him blowing Reggie Love yet. You know, he needs the gay vote. Faggot

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:51 | 4527911 401K of Dooom
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That's it, no more rinos evah!  I don't care what happens but do not let jerks like Gatez control us anymore!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:52 | 4527916 401K of Dooom
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Btw, what up with that photo?  Is he doing his impression of a whiplash victim or of a dog with a funnel on the head impression?  he's probably wearing it to get sympathy.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:25 | 4528140 cossack55
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He may have been hunting with Cheney and is trying to conceal the wounds.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:31 | 4528443 StychoKiller
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Folks, ya REEEALLLY gotta be careful with those nailguns! :>D

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:53 | 4527921 Debugas
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there will be an attempt of a coup d'etat in Moscow next year and if successful then Crimea does not really matter

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:55 | 4527923 skwid vacuous
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Myron Leon Wallik would be so proud of his son's hard hitting interviewing skills...and meteoric rise through DC media ranks

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 21:02 | 4529059 chemystical
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His career is a bar mitzvah gift.

 

P.S. down arrowed the OP for having the audacity to not use a mimic's pseudonym?  If the talking heads wore their stars of rothschild for all to see, the western world would think they fell asleep and woke up in tel aviv.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:56 | 4527925 Smegley Wanxalot
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Gates:  "Crimea is an aggressive and illegitimate act ..... but our funding an aggressive, illegitimate, and murderous coup in Kiev that overthrew a democratically elected government and caused Russia to act in Crimea is wholly an act that is in accordance with international law as we see it."

 

Fucking dumbass govt tool.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:24 | 4527988 Shad_ow
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Nothing more needs saying.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:56 | 4527932 Duc888
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I think it's a Neocon shit collar, to catch any spillage out of his mouth.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 13:57 | 4527936 wharfdaddy
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Is that the same Bob Gates that was sittin in that situation room while they were killin OBL? I guess now that he is retired you'd have to say his word is unimpeachable..

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:04 | 4527951 adonisdemilo
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Just another wanker sucking up to the neo nazi's

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:06 | 4527955 moneybots
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"You think Crimea's gone?" Gates responded clearly, "I do."

 

The arrogance of such a statement.

 

Crimea isn't going anywhere.  A year from now, you can go on Google Earth, and it will be in the same exact spot.  The same people will be living there and they will be doing as they please.

The Crimean people are not tinker toys.

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:18 | 4527979 skwid vacuous
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gone from the clutches of IMF, Bilderberg, NATO "freedom"... a tragic loss for the Crimeans  

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:44 | 4528038 jtg
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I think Gates is saying that we can't get control of it from the Russians.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:09 | 4527962 I Write Code
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Let's say neo-Nazis took over Ukraine.

Were they also going to try to chase Russia out of Crimea?

More like they would team up with Russia and invade Poland.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:01 | 4528081 RaceToTheBottom
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The probability of the US teaming with the group that will be our enemy in the future is well above 99%

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:17 | 4527977 Sufiy
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China makes its point clear:


Koos Jansen: Chinese Gold Demand 418 Tonnes YTD, West Confused 


 Koos Jansen reports another set of numbers indicating that the unprecedented demand for Gold from China continues well into 2014 and even gathering pace. We can see China's state-level military plan to accumulate Gold in action. Withdrawals from the Shanghai Gold Exchange Vaults account for 418 mt of Gold year to date. China alone is taking out annualised Gold world-wide production now!    The acquisition of a serious Gold Mining Assets will be the very logical next step for China now. http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/koos-jansen-chinese-gold-demand-418....

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:20 | 4527982 LetsGetPhysical
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It's always nice to get the CFR perspective. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:45 | 4528042 Bioscale
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Geezz, getting rid of the notable CFR members would greatly help the planet and mankind. I'm afraid the US people are not going to do this in the near future.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:32 | 4528005 kellycriterion
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To paraphrase Tacitus "Political gangsters may throw stones at humantoads in jest, but the humantoads die in earnest." Part of the job is pretending to be interested even if you aren't. And the job is the reason why you can go to 5 star resorts.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:42 | 4528033 jtg
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Listening to Robert Gates is a waste of four minutes.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:45 | 4528040 sleigher
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Does the neck brace he is wearing have anything to do with what he is saying?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 14:53 | 4528056 johngerard
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Of course it won't. Crimea is done, finished, over. It's never going back to the Ukraine, so forget any notion that it will. And the referendum will turn out 'yes' to going with Russia, no matter what.

All that's left to answer is how much more of Ukraine Russia takes now, and when that will happen. Putin's plan 'A' is take it by force (because he can), his plan'B' is take it by political settlement (last resort).

Either way he gets it.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:24 | 4528138 RaceToTheBottom
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Between the superpowers, it was never really on the table.  The US MIC wants it to justify itself,  everything else was window dressing.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:25 | 4528139 Johnny Cocknballs
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Gates is a borderline moron.  truly.

Good Raimondo:  A Monster Reawakens: The Rise of Ukrainian Fascism

The merc psychopaths may be in the East of Ukraine, but they should probably watch their 6.  It seems possible, perhaps even probable that the Western areas will start to enjoy secondary riots for democracy before long.  And of course this time, Nudelman and Feltman et al will decry the "rightwing" "neonazi" agitators who are resisting "democracy" and IMF "loans".

The question is, and I don't know, just spit balling - if you are Putin, watching the seemingly very contrived western media assessments, and knowing what NATO and the IMF and the NED have been about...  do you send guns over the border to both eastern and western provinces.   A shit storm is likely coming in Crimea - will Ivan let himself get bogged down there, perhaps as Syria is ramped up by USrael and S.A., or does Ivan spread the fun around a little?

I certainly don't hope for this, but NATO/IMF aggression and expansion seem likely to enter the dirty tricks phase - diplomatically and sanctions wise, they can't do much, and certainly don't have a coherent, ethical argument on their hands as to the mob-installed pro tem kiev government blocking a referendum in Crimea, a region which was formerly part of Russia and autonomous anyway...

The US/NATO will likely move to further destabilize Crimea while rounding up separatist leaders in E. Ukraine {some reports this is happening, but not sure it is true and in any event the media coverage as to E. Ukraine is pretty scarce} - knowing this, destabilizing western ukraine and nullifying or "rolling back" kiev's government is good strategy. 

 

Maybe Ivan will send a couple/few boats to dock in Chinese harbors in coming days or weeks....

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:45 | 4528194 Whiner
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The Confederates used the self determination argument unsuccessfully against the despotic Lincoln who argued a nation was no nation at all if it's members could withdraw. The imprisoned Jeff Davis had used this right-to-join=right-to-secede argument to spring himself from traitors prison. He was released before oral argument. Southerners still held sway on the court.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 15:53 | 4528215 Son of Captain Nemo
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I'll repeat it again...

Lunatic Fringe

Bob Gates doesn't work there anymore and he already wrote his book which after 3 months is already "30% off" at Barnes & Noble.

The guys running the show (like Bob) are all very desperate control freaks who just happen to be run by a parasite we can't get under our control after 65 years, who are capable of doing more fantastic things if the American people don't have more in the belly of the will department putting an end to our "National nightmare" going on 13 years...

This ain't Uncle Walty talking about the "Tet" anymore!

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 16:35 | 4528296 DOGGONE
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Do you suppose that Obama is limited by wanting to keep this out of sight?
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 16:47 | 4528325 homiegot
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Captain Neckbrace tells us the obvious.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 17:22 | 4528415 LeftyGoldblatt
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Uk newspaper coverage shows Pro-russian protestors as ruffians, and pro ukrainean rather differently...

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Ukraine/article13819...

 

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 18:02 | 4528503 earleflorida
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gates

served under:

nixon

ford

carter?

reagan

bush#41

bush#43

obi1?

the guys a 100% phoney

he was jammed down carter's throat and obama used him (conjugal) up like a spent 'julian assange' trojan?

he is strickly a mic and corporalist stooge for the gop. a leftover that obi1 thought could help him in pakaf with a backdoor out once the venturous peace president knew it was a suicide mission accomplished?   gates upped the anti with minimum 40k troops turning magically into well over 100k, and they (state dept/ pentagon) loved it!!! 

jmo

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 18:03 | 4528537 tony wilson
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WHY HAS THIS MURDERING CHILD KILLING CUNT GOT A CARDINAL RICHELIEU COLLAR ON? 

ANYONE WOULD THINK HE WAS A MASON WITH THAT CLOBBER ON.

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 21:41 | 4529178 Kelley
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You've never seen a neck brace before?

Sun, 03/09/2014 - 20:34 | 4528990 pot_and_kettle
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