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Meanwhile In Socialist Utopia...
Remember: in every socialist utopia, at the end of the day, everyone is equal... while waiting in line for "whatever they have."
Venezuelans queue long hours at markets to buy "whatever they have" http://t.co/q5A1U4NzLg by @LThometAFP pic.twitter.com/RGYdCgFje5
— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) March 8, 2014
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Coming to a country near you!
It's hell to run out of other people's money
Duh. That's what Obozophones are for.
Breaking... US Blaackwater Boots Spotted In Ukraine....
They Look Like Came Straight From IRAQ Same Garb...
Has Blackwater been deployed to Ukraine?
Notorious U.S. mercenaries 'seen on the streets of flashpoint city' as Russia claims 300 hired guns have arrived in country Unidentified armed men seen on the streets of Donetsk in east Ukraine Russian diplomat claims 300 mercenaries had arrived in Kiev this week Mercenaries in the region could give Putin pretext for military action Donetsk has been the scene of big pro-Russian demonstrations this week
By Damien Gayle
Speculation was growing last night that American mercenaries had been deployed to Donetsk after videos emerged of unidentified armed men in the streets of the eastern Ukrainian city. At least two videos published on YouTube earlier this week show burly, heavily armed soldiers with no insignia in the city, which has been gripped by pro-Moscow protests. In one of the videos onlookers can be heard shouting 'Blackwater! Blackwater!' as the armed men, who wear no insignia, jog through the streets.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Uk...
Well, if Michael Douglas says they got their shit together down there, everything must be OK...
Right????
FACEOFF In UKR...
Blaackwater Boots / Russian Special Forces ??????????
you can wait in line for goods made by others or you can make those goods yourself. the lines haven't hit here yet. they will
who belives there will actually be "lines" in LA?
There will. POTUS will drawm some up real quick..
Tell that to the knuckle-draggers that have no clue what the word "queue" means.
Every type of government ends up in a state of kakotopia.
Some just take longer than others.
Like the line to the Obamacare clinic after most of the decent doctors throw in the towel.
Nobody walks in LA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJIiFIbkNZ8
How true. Under true socialism these people would be making their own stuff along with the other members of their community.
But under true Utopianism, nobody has to do shit...cause they are entitled!
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That looks like Russian gear. The video is too shaky to make out much clearly. One guy certainly has an AK. Another looks like it might be an M4 but it isn't clear. Using 556 in that area would be stupid - no resupply.
Moar information, pics, and/or video please.
m4 come in 7.62/39 too
More likely in 5.45x39
Fresh off a snipering expedition in Kiev, what flavour false flag does the team have in store for Donetsk?
"Has Blackwater been deployed to Ukraine?"
Or Xe or what the fuck ever.
No offense is intended by this, but why on earth would we assume they just got there? As in, don't you think they have been there all along?
I do.
Where there is a buck to be made off war, count on these assholes to be helping to create the market for it, so to speak.
Fuckers.
Keep an eye out for the guys in Khakis and black baseball caps. They were all over in Boston.
I thought those were lesbians.
Burn em all and hang em from a bridge!
just like Say's Law: supply creates it's own demand....
LOL!
They got money except they have nothing to buy because the mechant class is in Miami buying up condos with the loot they stole from Venzualan people.
Hugo, you a zombie now?
No, actually there is nothing to buy because the socialist elites have bankrupted the country and have confiscated the country's wealth for themselves. The people of Venezuela suffer with an annual inflation rate above 56%. Meanwhile, Hugo Chavez's daughters continue to party in the presidential palace and refuse to move out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564825/Hugo-Chavezs-daughters-refuse-presidential-palace-hold-deafening-parties-five-die-violent-protests-streets-Venezuela.html#ixzz2vd3nr1QT
Came a long time ago. You need to get out more often. Difference is at walmart you get to put things back you can't afford while lining up.
@XenoFrog: "Coming to a country near you!"
Of course, that's what TPTB has already decided: First Chaos, then Order (Ordo ab Chaos).
> Fragmentation of strong countries & cultures (via an "anything goes" culture)
> Increased National and Personal Debt --> Perpetual Debt
> Increased prices, stagnant wages
--> Unrest, Uprisings that call for Regime Change, and... a New Order.
--> A World Order. A New World Order*
Your network of friendly Central Banksters are standing by and willing to help -- but you have to ask for their Help.
* Q: Is NWO a New-World (imposed) Order, or a New World-Order? ;-)
It's not directed from the US (New World), just implemented through its guns, money printing and growing corporate monopolies.
Just to be pedantic, the Latin should read "ordo a Chao." The word "Chaos" is Greek, and so is the concept: the Romans don't make much use of it outside of poetry until very late, when poetry starts creeping into prose (i.e. the Second Sophistic). The poet Vergil uses the phrase "a Chao" in the fourth book of the Georgics ('farm poetry'):
that is,
The Masons seem to be the first people to have said "Ordo ab Chao," which should be written "Ordo a Chao," because the Masons aren't particularly good at Latin -- about on par with the Catholic Church, which is currently doing everything in its power to suck at it, including gutting and restaffing some of the institutions for using Latin.
The "novus ordo" stuff comes from Vergil too: "magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo" ("a great order of the ages is born anew," Eclogues (pastoral poetry) 4). The original sense is of a cyclical view of time, similar to the cycles of governments found in Greek political philosophy: you go from overthrowing some sort of a tyrannical government through various better forms like democracy, until you get back to a tyranny again because succeeding generations or ages get progressively more lazy and accepting of injustice until things get bad enough for a revolution. Of course, Vergil was applying it to Augustus, who was basically a tyrant overthrowing the Roman Republic, but that's fawning Roman poetry for you.
Hat tip. Love people who are better read than I am.
The problem with Venezuela is the same problem in the US: a majority of people actually thought socialism sounded like a reasonable choice. Some will regret their decision, others will double down.
Socialist utopia? I thought it was going to be a story about California or Che DeBlasio's NYC.
sheep don't put up much of a fight when being poked by their human masters
There's nothing to buy, but at least its cheap. [/s] The funny thing is that many of these idiots will not learn the lesson. They will believe to the end that everything would be fine if only the enemies of the State would stop holding out on The People.
You would like to think we know better in America but, thanks to 50 years of leftist indoctrination, we no longer do. Sadly, there are just as many in this country who drink the same class warfare Kool-aid.
Either that or they will blame the ruler(s) personally for being greedy or incompetent and turn around and put someone else in power who will do the same exact thing.
Such it is with the true believers of any religion. Eutopia is never attained because the belief system is flawed. It is never attained because everyone did not believe. The reason the ghost dance failed was because every indian did not dance the dance. The same excuse was given for the collapse of the Soviet Union.
If the idea must be imposed through the threat of violence, then the idea is flawed.
"there are just as many in this country who drink the same class warfare Kool-aid"
really? there's no 0.1% off-shoring jobs and taking all the productivity gains of the last 40 years for themselves? there's no elite that owns both parties and socializes their losses and privatizes their gains? there's no "regulatory capture"? no TBTF? that's Koolaid?!?!?
if you don't want socialism you better be a libertarian or an anarchist, cause "conservatives" are the siamese twins of liberals. Down-arrow away and tell me how your vote counts.
I'm not saying Capitalism isn't without its warts, but it beats Socialism and Communism all to Hell. If you think that there isn't a 0.1% in Venezula who can buy whateve they want, whenever they want, you are either a fool or a liar (or both). At least the 0.1% here are smart enough to figure out how to keep the store shelves stocked.
Obama's wet dream.
boypunger- I thought his name was Reggie Love.
How much Soylent Green can I get for my bitcoin?
It's always toilet paper. Every command economy always has a lack of TP.
WTF?!
And soap... two non-durable goods that everybody uses multiple times each day and is terrified of running out of.
Well, maybe not in Venezuela.
who needs TP when there is nothing to eat?
I'm guessing the profit margins on TP are low, so shipping/logistics become too costly to turn a profit during periods of high inflation. Just a guess.
Sometimes it's cheaper to buy currency to wipe your buttocks than it is to use currency to buy toilet paper.
Every command economy prints currency until it's cheaper than toilet paper. Problem solved.
Use bolívar!
There is an old Frank Zappa song on "Roxie and Elsewhere" where he sings "Don't forget the toilet paper, you know you are going to need it".
Testify!
http://www.comparegoldandsilverprices.com/failure-of-socialized-health-c...
This isn't just "socialist utopia" this is statist oligarchy dystopia.
You cannot qualify a monochromatic quasi police state as utopia even seen thru Venezuelan statist "egalitarian" eyes.
There are too many examples of this state psychorigid corruption from past constructs; since Jacobin days to Stalin and consorts; for any modern regime to pretend that pure statism without the participation of civil society is a model of Utopia.
You can't have utopia in an incestuous closed circuit environment with NO CHECKS AND BALANCES.
These people in power know that; Period.
The oligarchy running things - be they the Nomenklatura of the old Soviet Union or the rich capitalist ).01% NEVER have to wait in line for ANYTHING
'Socialism' is too often implemented to disguise a dictatorial oligarchy- on the left AND right. Remember - Hitler was a National SOCIALIST
In contrast, truly democratic 'socialism' - think Scandinavia - isn't so bad.... A basic support net for ALL and limits on the super rich - a far narrower spread between rich and poor (and the 'rich' are STILL damn well off - just not at the cost of impoverishing the rest of society). But we in the US can still think we're a 'land of opportunity' (though that's the case only for the rich and well connected - we bribe the masses just enough to keep them from rioting and give them delusions of 'hope')
Only one correction. It isn't "left and the right". It is the left and the further left. Communism is far left. National socialism is far left but sits just to the right of communism. Bill Clinton is to the right of both (as in the middle). The Pauls (Rand and Ron) are very far right. The only question is where does Obama fit, is he fascist or communist? I see both in him.
Perhaps you knew this. Perhaps your readers did not. Now everyone does.
Left-right axis is just divide and conquer.
Authority-liberty
Statist-anarchist
Reveal more truth about the empire.
"Can I have 2 sausages?... <whispers all around: "Look at the rich guy!">.... and 17 forks, please?"
Reminds me of Kim Jong Il looking at sausages.
<--- first thought when you saw the title: Venezuela
I thought it was from Miami. Still do, too.
That's RSPECT ....fixed it for ya'
When I saw "Venezuela" I didn't think of Hugo or petróleo, I thought of Grecia Colmenares.
I sincerely hope that every American economist from Krugman downward (assuming that's possible) is taking note: this is the only logical outcome of all centralized efforts to control markets by dictum. Whether it is via direct price control, outright confiscation, overregulation, monopolizing access to credit or financing, barring market access, cartelization of supply chains, bailouts, circuit brekerz, and so forth, there are high-bred elaborations and permutations and combinations but the desired outcome is clear, and that is centralization, and just because we don't have screaming caudillos throwing free bananas to crowds of brownish peasnts, doesn't make the move towards centralization more sensible or coherent, and certainly not more conducive to enabling the true welfare of all.
I'm sure Sean Penn and Danny Glover will send a tonka truck load of food for the cause.
Reminds me of the Walmart sporting goods section a year ago. Or today if you're looking for 22LR.
Don't you Tylers and ZHers get it yet?
If they got Oil and they're friendly to the US, it does NOT matter how oppressive and cruel their regime might be. E.g., KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia).
If, on the other hand, they oppose the US and got Oil + Gold, we must change their Regime at all costs and by any means necessary. The means are customized for each Opponent: e.g. Iraq, Libya, Venezuela.
In the case of Venezuela, as with most Latin countries, the means might be increased Socialism that leads to a weakened Economy, Unrest, etc... It matters naught, as long as we can destabilize them enough for a Coup that imposes a US-friendly Regime.
If you don't understand or like the Big Picture, keep commenting on the Jigsaw pieces. :-)
Bullshit. The only reason that they cannot get enough oil money to keep their decrepit socialist Chavismo nonsense lurching along is because their command economy, being the fucked up retarded version of itself that it is, cannot produce machine parts of sufficient quality and quantity to keep their oil industry in good working order. Hence, as machines break down over time the amount of oil they can dredge up decreases. This leads to dwindling foreign currency reserves, creating an endless feedback loop on the state-owned oil industry.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101219760
I seriously doubt that these conditions have anything to do with the sinister machinations of the evil-doers in DC. It is everything to do with the failed economic model of socialism, as it fails everywhere it has ever been tried.
Ok, I'm game. Let's explore your thesis...
1. Which is more difficult:
(a) to CREATE an Oil Industry and its infrastructure, or
(b) to MAINTAIN said industry?
2. Socialism (the "Organized spreading of wealth") is "bad" in Venezuela, but "good" in KSA?
I'd buy the more interesting Question:
Why do some forms of Socialism work in places like KSA and the Scandinavian countries, and a milder form in Canada and Germany (all "Allies"), when it does not work in places that are "unfriendly" to the US (Argentina, Venezuela)? WHY?
p.s. I have an explanation, but will hold back for now to allow for thought and dialog.
KSA, Scandies, Canucktia, and Germany all have one thing the Venezuelans do not: The US Military. They don't have to pay much at all for protection (a military). Venezuela is on their own and have to pay for that themselves. That is one big difference. The aforementioned countries (besides KSA) started rich and now import their poor to do cheap labor. Venezuela started out with a lot of indigenous poor. Most of them were modern and industrialized before going socialist.
KSA doesn't elect their national government - another huge difference.
Show us a poor country that turned socialist and got rich. Show us a rich country that turned socialist and stayed rich without protection from the US, Russia, or China.
Considering that there is no socialist government on the planet that is even a century old (speculation on my part really, feel free to counterpoint) how can anyone even suggest that it works? Show us such a case where they provide for their own everything - no handouts or protection from a super power (US, Russia, China).
They don't have to pay much at all for protection (a military)...
In addition, I would contend the successfulness of the US "experiment" in "self-rule" in previous generations has allowed the pillaging of the middle class to subsidize the medical industry as well. Why is it I'm treated as a bastard child when I have to explain my practice of paying for medical treatment out of pocket when I'm ill instead of having all my fellow citizen's foot the bill through their random "insurance" premiums or "socialized group" plans? Imagine the "creator" bestowed rights of a native kenyan paying to treat my bout of colitis as a result of an agressive treatment of anti-biotics due to dental damage suffered in an automobile collision.
Only in an imagination, cause it ain't ever gonna happen in this known world.
The US pays for more than the military protection of developed nations of the earth. The US middle class foots the bill for much of the health of sub and un-developed nations as well.
jmo.
Well clearly the problem is hydrocarbon extraction. So lets stop using it and the whole world will be back to the peace loving times like from 500 ad to 1700 ad. Those were grand times, no kings or queens no income disparity fun, fun times except for the life spans of human beings which has more than little to do with hydrocarbon extraction.
Any man who demands the labor of another without compensation is a banker. Socialism is bankersterism on drugs.
If by"works" you mean it allows them to maintain a certain standard of living in a police state without the means to defend themselves such that whenever an aggressor appears they roll over and are subjugated,then yeah it's"worked" great in Europe for a hundred years
I actaully logged in to respond to someone else then I saw your post and well...
"Why do some forms of Socialism work in places like KSA and the Scandinavian countries, and a milder form in Canada and Germany (all "Allies"),
Wait. You're kidding, right? Might want to ad The United States top that list and then ask the question. It's working? Really? Each and everyone of the countries you listed are going broke and are doomed. Each and every country you listed also suffers from the very same cultural rot that The US does. Socialism in any form has not ever "worked" will never "work" and cannot work. History has proven it many times over.
And what makes these countries socialist and the US not? Cause they have fucking stupid nationalized healthcare? Check your premises there friend. The US government owns the fucking currency. It matters not whether some schmuck "owns" his means of production when the governmnet can debase the currency at will and confiscate property with impunity. Socialism is like pregnancy. One cannot be "a little pregnant". You either are or you are not and this socialist-fascist (national socialist, actually) shithole called The United STates has been there for a lot longer than anyone writing here has been alive. What you see in Venezuela is the end game. Same story in the end days of the USSR. We here in the US have been able to stave off that scenario because the dollar is the reserve currency of the world. That and we have the biggest fucking army in the history of mankind and have shown we will use it at will, aggresively, to maintain our glodal status of Empire.
Rome took a long time to fall as well.
There is your "explanation". think and dialog on that.
++ on that. Especially the truth in "(national socialist, actually)"
"...we must change their Regime at all costs and by any means necessary."
Chavez was a hard leftist who hated the US. That was obvious a decade ago. What did the US do? Nothing. That's hardly the picture of a government willing to do anything to achieve its ends. And Chavez himself was only the tip of the iceberg, as Maduro's assumption of power shows. We would have to change Venezuela's whole leadership, and I see no evidence of that.
"In the case of Venezuela, as with most Latin countries, the means might be increased Socialism that leads to a weakened Economy, Unrest, etc"
Dude...are you seriously trying to tell us that the US "imposed" socialism on Chavez and Maduro, and therefore Venezuela?!? If so, you are clinically paranoid. You need professional help.
Two thumbs up
Lemme have one of them little red books, a picture of Hugo, some hemmeroid cream and sone KY jelly
Reminds me of my favorite movie: Polyp Friction
I love the expression of the guy in the green shirt. He looks pissed, and he feels like he's better than the people in front of him and should be at the head of the line.
fucking shithole country
Strange, Why is there not a credible picture and why no videos on youtube?
Do the sheeps of Zerohedge believe everything?
The only video I can Find is from the home of the fifth fleet :http://dailytube.tv/videos/3370/clashes-in-bahrain
The stability of any society is directly proportional to the number of citizens that are self-reliant and/or educated and possessing a vital, needed skill...In America's case, we are in trouble!
Venezuela: The "revolution" of the rich
The myth of economic collapse and the Right-wing riot geography
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/03/venezuela-revolution-of-rich....
Not having enough to eat increases global warming that's double plus good.
You don't suppose that the U.S. and its agents are in there f'ing things up do you?
Naaaaaaaaaaa
Why would they do that? I mean Venezuela has nothing the new world order crowd would be interested in (like oil) or some other hot commodity.
So the problems the Venezuelans are having must be because they brought it on themselves.
Long live the U.S. way of government and of doing things!
Obviously you have been paying attention. The US Oligarchs have been trying to destabilize Venezuela ever since Chavez was first elected in 1998.
Perhaps with a cult-of-personality socialist dictatorship for the some-animals-are-more-equal-than-others government system there really isn't much need to foment trouble. The system will take care of that if you just leave it to its own devices.
On the other hand, perhaps you are correct that Americans are going down there and causing trouble. Has anyone seen Danny Glover or Sean Penn lately? Oh, two way streets suck don't they?
Right, because two Hollywood actors lead violent efforts to destabilize and overthrow democratically elected governments that lead to death and misery for the population, just like the US State Department, CIA, etc. Nice false equivalency.
If you aren't self-reliant nor educated and possessing a vital skill, you at least need a job.... We're still in trouble!...
"god help the beast in me." ....
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Johnny Cash - The beast in me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tGCVavS5s
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Are You Crazy To Continue Believing In Collapse?
That it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean you're wrong
by James H. Kunstler
Wednesday, March 5, 2014, 5:16 AM
http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/84902/crazy-continue-believing-collapse
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"...The fraud is present in the abuse and misrepresentation of official statistics used as metrics in government policy, in the pervasive accounting chicanery of that same government in its fiscal dealings, as well as in our leading financial institutions and corporations, including control fraud in banking, interest rate rigging, mortgage and title fraud, front-running, naked shorting, re-hypothecation, money laundering, pumping-and-dumping, channel stuffing, the endless innovation of swindles, and, most importantly, the fundamental mispricing of the cost of money, which reverberates through everything else, most particularly real estate, stocks, and bonds. Beyond that, in the shadows of the shadowland known as shadow banking, a liminal realm of secrets and intrigues, only a few are privileged to know what is going on, and you can be sure they only know their end of the trade — while immense sums of ever more abstract “money” slosh through the derivative sewers on their way to oblivion in the ocean of failed trust.
So, don’t feel bad if this colossal armature of folly still stands, and have faith that the blinding light of God’s judgment will eventually shine even unto the watery depths where failed trust has sunk. Sooner or later the relationship between reality and truth re-sets to the calculus of what is actually happening." j.k.
Starving people that won't fight? That's a banco-corporate socialist lobby pig's dream!
Shocker, I don't see any 1 percenters or politicians in that line
They have friends at the factory. By shopping direct, they do their patriotic duty in alleviating the length of those lines for the "others."
Food stamps with no food. This may work.
Everybody learns to need. A continuously diminishing number of suckas work to produce for the increasing number needy. Your red "Hero Worker of the Marxist Republic" T-shirt makes you a pariah to those minimally working besides you. Every Marxist Promised Land morphs into a borough of Hell.
So....................Citizens of Venezuela..................how's that socialism workin' for ya?
"Now that's fair. EVERYONE has to wait long hours. I commend fairness."
- Obamarama
Bernanke just blew a load in his pants. Look how motivated those people are to get out and spend. Wealth effect ftw.
Fuck the EU.
Oopsies.
Good they voted for it. Let them have it. To not speak is to speak !To not stand is to stand !
Same fun under the old Soviet empire. Get up early, stand in line, buy what's available, go to work, pretend to work, they pretend to pay...what there's cuban bananas at the eastern market, let's go....
Socialism occurs when you cannot measure the meritocracy
The US is destabilizing it's energy nemeses. Global dominance of what remains of petroleum stores as well as defending the petro-dollar are primary goals of the corp/gov elites. They know it's now or never. No nation can run a war machine without a solid energy base, and the US's tight oil plays are going to be a short lived boom. They know this, so they must make their moves while they have the ability to do so.
who is they, and what is the end-game goal?
This is the best I could find on Venezuela long lines.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/With-number-on-wrist--Venezuelans-qu...
I can tell you, situation in Europa as bad as in Venezuela, we also have to wait at the counter
Is that Sean Penn there way in the back?
Neoliberal dictatorship threatens Venezuela
Indications that the US incite a Chile-type coup
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/11/neoliberal-dictatorship-threa...
All those leftist regimes and dictators first create an " enemy ", than ration food and basic essentials, than blame it to the " enemy ", and than consolidate themself in power with the slogan " only we can make your life better...".
"Dear G-d, please let it be toilet-paper."
socialism for the poor ... or, the capitalism which is nothing more than socialism for the filthy-rich ... which is better?
LINEZ BITCHEZ !
Now that I think about it, I remember yelling that several times a night over the weekends back in the early 80's.
Just like the good old days in the Soviet Empire.
Just think in some countries they don't even get free Queso!
The thing is that Brazil and Venezuela are so much better then before Chavez and Lula when 90% lived in shanty towns eating out of landfills. Haiti is not a socialist utopia, so life for the 99.9% must be peachy and they don't have to worry about toilet paper either because there are no toilets. I bet they all live like rich landowner families shown on telenovelas in Brazil and Venezuela, that's what right wing media in US wants you to believe. The thing is that Venezuela and Brazil were like Haiti before 1997 and 2002.
There is no Socialism in Africa either---they silll live in bushes.
If these people had obamabucks, they wouldn't want for nuthin'!
Good Survival tip.. stack your old phone books in the basement somewhere for emergency toilet paper..
you may thank me some day... :)
Phone books? What's that?
Future USA.... when the petro-dollar no longer exists.