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With surveillance and online privacy now front-and-center in many people's minds, the 2014 SXSW Interactive Festival is hosting a "Virtual Conversation with Edward Snowden" this morning focused on the impact of the NSA's spying efforts on the technology community, and the ways in which technology can help to protect us from mass surveillance. Hear directly from Snowden about his beliefs on what the tech community can and must do to secure the private data of the billions of people who rely on the tools and services that we build.



And here is Edward Snowden's full testimony to the EU last week


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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 11:56 | 4530546 fonestar
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fonestar loves virtual converstaions!

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 11:57 | 4530553 Herd Redirectio...
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So Ed, what happened on 9/11/2001?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:53 | 4530767 Chuck Knoblauch
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Questions being edited by CIA/NSA.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:56 | 4530777 Thought Processor
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Or how about just asking him why he won't talk about the CIA.


Maybe it's because he's still on their payroll (thru an adjunct of course, routed to a numbered account in Singapore).

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:06 | 4530809 chumbawamba
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Riiiight.  Ri--riiiight.  Old Eddy is just chatting it up with everyone in the world on the internets and the boys at Langley and Fort Meade just can't seem to get a fix on his location.

Riiiiiiiight.  Riiiight, yeah.  Totally.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:10 | 4530824 Chuck Knoblauch
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These kind of sit-ins prove, to me anyway, that Ed is a mole.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:27 | 4530868 Indian_Goldsmith
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Nothing says I'm  a crusader like engaging in a "Google" hangout :)


I wish we had strippers in india. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:33 | 4530907 Ying-Yang
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Be fun to ask Snowden if while working for the NSA did he hear much about Bitcoin.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:36 | 4530928 gmrpeabody
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I've noticed that whenever we hear from Boris, we don't hear from Snowden...

Now Snowden is talking..., but no Boris...

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:34 | 4530909 Ying-Yang
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Be fun to ask Snowden if while working for the NSA did he hear much about Bitcoin.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:55 | 4530938 Thought Processor
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Or hey, how about let us know the scoop on Benghazi.........


Never mind.  We won't hold our breath on that one.


P.S. to the Jamokes at Langley that are handling this op-  


you are all a bunch of shits.  


All of you.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 17:20 | 4532081 Griffin
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I think there are thousands of Bradley Mannings and Edward Snowdens who will side with us sheeple at some point in time.

Its just a question of how much they are prepared to put up with until they have enough.

Guys like Manning, Snowden, Assange and many others have changed the world by providing information and much needed insight.

People like that are priceless.



Mon, 03/10/2014 - 17:26 | 4532096 -.-
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Chelsea Manning, bro---it's Chelsea, gawd...

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:11 | 4530825 Sam Clemons
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Yup.  Snowden is still seeming like the pawn that deteriorated already fragile relationships between the US and Russia China and Germany.  Germany is supposed to be the new capital of the world.  

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:13 | 4530835 Skateboarder
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I've heard the dude speak - his answers sound totally scripted...

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:08 | 4530817 Chuck Knoblauch
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Maybe if you submit your question in writing you'll get a response. Would that require (7 X 2) 14 proxies???

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:20 | 4530852 Freddie
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Hey Ed - who killed Aaron Swartz and the guy with the Mercedes?  Is Elvis still alive?  Did the CIA set you up with a nice crib in Russia?   Does the Samsung phones spy on us less than iCrap phones?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:33 | 4530905 Skateboarder
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Samsung paid entire teams to replicate the iPhone's hardware specs and functionality. I would think they are all equally talented spies.

Ed lets the journalists decide what they want to publish, but he can't tell you about a lot of classified stuff, because, well, it's classified... oh well.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:02 | 4531044 Tim_
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Edward Snowden German Interview: Transcript

"Whether it’s provided I can’t speak to until it’s been reported because it would be classified and I prefer that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions about what is public interest and what should be published" (Source).

"I don’t want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of journalists but what I will say is there’s no question that the US is engaged in economic spying" (Source).

"However, as I’ve said before I prefer for journalists to make those decisions in advance, review the material themselves and decide whether or not the public value of this information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the officials that ordered the surveillance" (Source).

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:32 | 4530898 sgt_doom
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Well, douchetard, or Thought Processor (as if!), since an anonymous source passed on classified tax haven data to an independent international investigative journalist outfit, which in turn passed it on to America's IRS (and the UK and Australian equivalents), and the acting IRS commissioner awhile back announced the largest tax investigation  (joint country investigation into those tax havens) in history, and a few weeks later that acting IRS commissioner was fired, and since Snowden had been involved with looking into Swiss tax havens when he was a contractor with the CIA, what the bloody hell would you think, douchetard?


Mon, 03/10/2014 - 15:25 | 4531495 Gaffing_Nome
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Dunno why persons here are unable to see the obvious (trolls exempt). Greenwalds' stellar pedigree and a kid with "most transparent and unshady" résumé should, at the very least stoke non-existent discernments of us con-spiracy foil donned fools.

A reminder

RULE #1: Issues bandied about by MSM (and a zillion blogs) are crap-intel pro. Many of Snowdens' revelations are legit but par usual it's a damned 3 shell monty.

Perfect way to bolster the fear factor whilst keeping eyes off the prize.

Snowden is a spook most likely of the NGO/CIA variety.

SxSw? C'mon. Dats fer all them hep-youngsters.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 15:25 | 4531496 Gaffing_Nome
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Dunno why persons here are unable to see the obvious (trolls exempt). Greenwalds' stellar pedigree and a kid with "most transparent and unshady" résumé should, at the very least stoke non-existent discernments of us con-spiracy foil donned fools.

A reminder

RULE #1: Issues bandied about by MSM (and a zillion blogs) are crap-intel pro. Many of Snowdens' revelations are legit but par usual it's a damned 3 shell monty.

Perfect way to bolster the fear factor whilst keeping eyes off the prize.

Snowden is a spook most likely of the NGO/CIA variety.

SxSw? C'mon. Dats fer all them hep-youngsters.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:28 | 4530870 sgt_doom
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Well, dood, since it wasn't an NSA op, very likely he couldn't access the files on it, duuuuuh!!!!

But obvious to the rest of us (with functioning neurons), one of the three business entities which profited directly from it, the Blackstone Group, is today America's number one landlord.

What a coincidency, huh?  (The other two were AIG and Veritas Capital.)

Speaking of coincidences . . . .

Isn't it interesting that we find Jonas Bonnier, head of Bonnier AB, attending the 2012 Bilderberger meeting, during the time frame when the Bonnier family is aiding and abetting governmental forces (both USA and Sweden) in going after WikiLeaks' Julian Assange, just as in 2013, after the suicide of Aaron Swartz, we find his acting attorney and mentor, Lawrence Lessig, attending the Bilderberger meeting in Switzerland, along with senior executives from Palantir Technology and Stratfor?

So, Jonas Bonnier, of one of the top ten media companies, Bonnier AB, whose family has successfuly aided and abetted the containing of Julian Assange (being forced to hole up in the Ecuadoran Embassy in London crimps anyone's style) and Lawrence Lessig successfully contains Aaron Swartz (nothing more containing than a suicide) and both appear next at those Bilderberger meetings.  Such is life?

Too many have forgotten the details surrounding the operation against Assange, so the three links below (especially the report by Nordic News Network) should explain things considerably.

Virtually everyone who went after and targeted Assange, including those so-called media members, were directly connected to the Bonnier family, one of the ten top media groups on the planet, and the Rupert Murdoch-type family of Sweden. (The one exception was Sofia Wilen, the younger of the two women who originally went to the police. She later pulled out and expressed regret about the entire situation; she had been coerced into becoming involved by the older of the two women, Anna Ardin (one of her several aliases, who was involved in various conservative religious organizations and formerly once worked with Swedish military intelligence). Both the two attorneys are connected to the Bonnier family, one whose sister works for one of their companies, and the other (formerly Minister of Justice at the time when the CIA illegally "extreme renditioned" several Arab-Swedes, later to be found innocent by the Swedish courts, and financially remunerated for the crimes against them) publishes his novels through one of their companies.

Anna Ardin also was (and may still be) an employee of one of the Bonnier publications.

Assange was first approached by representatives of a Bonnier tabloid for exclusive publication rights, but he declined.



Mon, 03/10/2014 - 16:41 | 4531941 Bangin7GramRocks
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:04 | 4530575 Sudden Debt
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Fonestar took advice from his dog about investing in Bitcoin...

When fonestar asked where bitcoin was going...

the dog declared ROOF! ROOF! ROOF!!



Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:14 | 4530612 wallstreetapost...
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Foneystar loves playing with himself, virtually of course.  

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:18 | 4530634 fonestar
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Better than diddling kids and slanging bonds.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:07 | 4530812 chumbawamba
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You used to diddle kids and slang bonds?

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:15 | 4530616 fonestar
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Yes, fonestar's virtual dog is very smart!

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:05 | 4530578 Stoploss
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"fonestar loves virtual converstaions!"

First fucking comment on the thread, and this is all you can come up with???

Do us a favor, try not to look like the complete idiot you are, just once.

Oh, and use the spell checker for fuck sakes..

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:17 | 4530626 fonestar
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Even fonestar's RSBT does not catch anything.  The spamtoshi will continue until Bitcoin adoption improves.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:37 | 4531213 g'kar
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:17 | 4530627 LawsofPhysics
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Don't sweat it, he like virtual wealth as well.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:15 | 4530619 williambanzai7
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:58 | 4530685 Kirk2NCC1701
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And "Mind the Gap"

Pun intended.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:34 | 4530686 BennyBoy
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I wonder if the NSA is adding in comments here....


Bravo Eddie...

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:05 | 4530808 Spastica Rex
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Edward Snowden is a complete fraud. And probably a Jew.

And if you must know, yes, I work for the NSA.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:34 | 4530912 Wen_Dat
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Don't know about his heritage, but he is a fraud. As is this whole Ukranian bullshit. Every nation is part of a soap opera. Money is firmly in-charge.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:20 | 4531123 Harbanger
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Since you work for NSA.  Was Francis a jew?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 15:13 | 4531435 Spastica Rex
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:21 | 4531129 Ban KKiller
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Fer sure, dude. You can tell by the FEAR of Snowden in their posts. 

Bank/Wall Street/Statists stooges abound!

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 17:28 | 4532101 -.-
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The down-vote's on this page are most certainly CIA, NSA, government operated (that is, except for Fonestar's...his are legit)

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 11:57 | 4530548 Four chan
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snowden 2016

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 11:58 | 4530557 Herd Redirectio...
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At this rate, it'll be Snowden 2016 vs Putin 2016.  If we're lucky.  Tongue in cheek, for those wondering.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:14 | 4530611 dcj98gst
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brush up on your russian

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:24 | 4530562 Chuck Knoblauch
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Ed is on the ISS.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:00 | 4530564 Son of Captain Nemo
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With a brief statement from Pierre Omidyar on the next "set of releases" TBD?...


Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:01 | 4530568 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:16 | 4530622 firstdivision
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I was wondering why I was getting adverts for penis enlargments.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:36 | 4530932 sgt_doom
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Oh wow, just like Barclays and HSBC, huh?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:02 | 4530570 Recognizer
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He's behind 7 proxies.  I wonder if that is a reference to anything.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:06 | 4530582 rpboxster
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:46 | 4531256 Isotope
Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:45 | 4530726 Chuck Knoblauch
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Has Ed got you thinking 7 proxies will hide you from being identified? Good, mission accomplished. Go back to work, slave.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:14 | 4530823 Recognizer
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Good luck.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:09 | 4530822 chumbawamba
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"Behind 7 proxies" means he's using Tor.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:03 | 4530571 yogibear
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The US is no longer run by the people. It's run by the big Wall Street banks and the Federal Reserve. The Too Big To Fail were bailed out by the citizens. The bottom line is that Wall Street big money lobbies and re-writes the laws. The freedom the US had enjoyed is now gone with all the police and surveillance organizations. The US is becoming the ex-soviet union. Would not be surprised to start seeing people being dragged out of their homes at night soon like Stalin did.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:08 | 4530585 firstdivision
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Mr. Snowden, why didn't you just keep mum and use your resources at your disposal to front-run GS prop desk?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:10 | 4530586 ParkAveFlasher
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Interesting timing with the Russian invasion going hot.  Just saying.  We should feel unfortunate that many feel attacked by the truth wielded by our own best and brightest, from within and without.  Our, and we, meaning Americans.  Those among us who would revere the Constitution and all it recommends, find few allies.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:13 | 4530608 Freddie
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I hate these f**king SillyCon Valley Hispters.   They are crypto technology Stasi fascists. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:23 | 4530855 Skateboarder
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Best/worst part is, they don't even know it.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:32 | 4530888 Harbanger
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You want crypto? Have Pearl Jam sing the secret message.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:14 | 4530614 toady
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"...what the tech community can and must do to secure the private data of the billions of people who rely on the tools and services that we build."


There's nothing that can or will be done. TPTB like being able to track, listen to, and tweek people, so it will continue.

It will boil down to the drivers license argument. It's not a right, it's a privilege.

You aren't forced to give up your rights on the internet, you choose to.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:28 | 4530671 balanced
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It's the ignorant people like you that need the tech community the most to defend your 4th Amendment. The powers that be are not all powerful, as people like you seem to think.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:18 | 4530623 Freddie
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I like Snowden but Gerald Greenwald works for Pierre Omidar (eBay) aka NWO, ZATO, Soros, McCain, Obama.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:32 | 4530900 WillyGroper
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Try Glen.

What happened to Chuck?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:21 | 4530641 williambanzai7
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Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:09 | 4530818 Kirk2NCC1701
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Especially when 'paid' via QE.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:21 | 4530642 cherry picker
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I am a progammer and resent the fact government and big corps take our information at will, yet I also see benefits of cloud computing for business.

The only way it can happen is to insure clients who use a cloud have anonymity and not sell or make available what is in the cloud to spooks.

I just started thinking about it and am working on setting up a facility.

The url will be

We all have the right to protect what is ours and our information is part of that right.  Obama who thinks there should be a balance and who will rob people of rights is on the wrong track.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:41 | 4530951 Ying-Yang
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Nice idea cherry... but your domain will just become a honeypot. Paint a big red X on the homepage.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:44 | 4530961 Chuck Knoblauch
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I promise to disobey any subpoena received from the government for the greater good of mankind?



Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:08 | 4531073 Kirk2NCC1701
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'60 Minutes' on CBS had a good program last night, that lifted the Commercial Spying hood.

Notwithstanding the slimy and unconstitutional methods the NSA is using (, seen in the big scheme of things... It turns out the the "Free Enterprise" ( people are a FAR greater threat to privacy for 95% of people than the NSA.  For example:

In my case, I am less worried about the LEAs having a file on me, than a host of unknown companies that trade and sell THOUSANDS of bits of information on me.  In so doing, they know  all your shopping and browsing habits, all your topics of interest, and by using Correlation analysis, they can even figure out what sites you blog on.  It's not so much that I have "habits" that would embarass me or land me in jail, but that potentially affect my business relationships.  IOW...

The reason this is FAR more (a) relevant and (b) dangerous to the Average Person (those NOT engaged in highly illegal or dangerous activities, i.e. the < 5%), is that they can and DO compile a very Personal Dossier with YOUR name of it.  And it gets 'better' (worse!):  Any existing or prospective employer can and often does make use of these Data Mining & Analysis Services (a multi-billion dollar industry). 

Chances are, your career or your very job was/is affected by the Private Sector's Big Bro.  You may even have lost your job because of this, or have been denied a new job -- but they'll never tell you, for obvious reasons.  And you never even realized it.

Moral 1:  This is a kind of an Info and Personal-Branding 'Arms Race', where the individual has to not only "manage" their public and not-so-private 'private' persona, but use many of the same tactics and methods that people in the former Iron Curtain countries used to use, to ensure their personal privacy and security against the Gov. Hell, parents were even careful what they said around their children, in fear of these half-baked brains "blabbing" at school.

IOW:  Play it smart, be discreet, watch your words and how you frame them.  Be careful whom you trust.  Don't trust hi-tech, when low-tech is so much better -- cause they don't have the BANDWIDTH for low-tech, nor the Budget for it.  Face-to-face is still the best, and explains why guys like Cheney used either face-to-face meetings or private couriers.  And why George Jr spent so much time at the Crawford Ranch with George Sr et al, where they had the real WH meetings for planning & strategizing.

Moral 2: If you're willing to find out who the top 3 Data Mining companies are, and paid them to give you a copy of the dossier/file on some "person" that is actually YOU, then you'd have an idea of what's out there on you.  For some people it might be vital or crucial to have this info about themselves.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 16:22 | 4531849 Kirk2NCC1701
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Found this on RT, as it ties in to the above:

Now we know "Who watches the Watchers".

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 18:47 | 4532242 mccvilb
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"Investigators would then analyze the data along with information gathered from social media and even polygraph tests, officials said on condition of anonymity."

Anyone else seeing the typical double standard MSM hypocricy meme being employed here? Sure sounds like a Reuters story.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 15:13 | 4531436 mccvilb
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When's the last time you actually read the permissions you had to check off on the Adobe files update authorizations to access their downloads? There's a reason you have to wade thru fifty pages of legalise until your eyes glaze over. What it says is that you unequivocably agree to give them permission to have your ass arrested and prosecuted, but it's not for what you think.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:23 | 4530652 Inthemix96
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Mr Snowden,

Nearly a year ago you promised to release some shit, as in all of it on our governments behalf of just what they do against us.  Now help me out here, I know and the crew here know what the score is, but do us a favour son, just release all of the shit youve got mate.  All of it, in one go.  Never mind this bullshit and bollocks, just release it.

Some of us may think you may not be the man you claim otherwise.  Stop fucking about Snowden, let the world, and the sheep know.

See what I did there??

OPSEC, bitchez....        ;-)

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:33 | 4530684 fonzannoon
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what is he really saying that Ron Paul does not say on a daily basis?

forget oversight, ask him about 9/11. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:26 | 4530861 Harbanger
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He indirectly said why the NSA can't prevent an incident.  Targeted oversight of specific groups isn't politically correct, instead they have broad oversight and record everything which is useless except to maybe blackmail political enemies and dissidents.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:41 | 4530949 Chuck Knoblauch
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You assume that the NSA wants to prevent a planned incident. You must consume a lot of MSM.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:56 | 4531017 Harbanger
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No, Since Barry has already used the IRS to target his political enemies, it's only logical to assume the NSA would also be used.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:27 | 4530872 Blood Spattered...
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Yep, jury has to be out on Snowden until we hear him address "the day that changed everything".

After all, it's not that big of a stretch now to imply that a government willing to illegaly spy on you and detain you woudln't help fly some airliners into skyscrapers, in order to gain the ability to illegally spy on you and detain you.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:35 | 4530687 Bioscale
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It looks like he's made a deal with bosses in US that keep him alive for not releasing any shit. A fucking coward, Snowden, tell us about you and Pierre Omidyar and the deal you made with the Greenwald fuck head. Typical pathetic american talking head.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:47 | 4530736 Inthemix96
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Righty hoe,

I said right here last year that Snowden is a plant, this proves it.

Same as it was last week folks, carry on regardless.  Got fucking flamed for it, but who in their right minds could be took in now by this shit??

You are being gamed from the minute you wake up, till the minute you put your head down.  Think about it my friends.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:38 | 4531218 KickIce
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I agree he needs to reveal more, but if he's a plant why would they give him asylum in a country that doesn't have a Rothschild CB?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:14 | 4530827 Mi Naem
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The only thing that's keeping he and his family alive is what he has left to release. 


Oh, and at this point, why should he bother?  Nobody has really done jack shit about what he has released. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:23 | 4530856 Inthemix96
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Really Mi Naem?

No disrepect here from me mind but prove it.

You are being played, as are we all......

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:35 | 4530923 WillyGroper
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Spose there could be a little arm twisting by Vlad in the country of residence?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:52 | 4531002 Inthemix96
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Down voters,

Give me something to on go then, owt, anything that proves otherwise.


Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:47 | 4531267 g'kar
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I've been saying this since he popped up after Obamao's 10th or so impeachable offense to take the media attention away.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:26 | 4530662 Crummy
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Will the mole be taking Q&A?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:40 | 4530703 Chuck Knoblauch
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No, but your email address has been added to a list. Thank you for your compliance, citizen.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:31 | 4530676 A Lunatic
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Throw Congress into Fukushima. Problem solved........

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:38 | 4530935 WillyGroper
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Don't forget the other two branches.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:34 | 4530688 Chuck Knoblauch
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How fast does it take to crack 7 proxy locations?

ping ping ping ping ping ping ping goose!

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:45 | 4530693 fonzannoon
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count me out on Snowden, these fart sniffing douchebags are praising him for slightly helping internet security. They are hanging up a "mission accomplished" sign. Fucking waste of time. 

edit - anyone junking me needs to come forward with proof that these guys do not in fact sniff their own farts.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:26 | 4530869 ParkAveFlasher
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I didn't junk you, but do you have proof that they DO, in fact, sniff their own farts? 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:40 | 4530942 fonzannoon
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Do you have proof Clemens did steroids? Did you see and listen to that pony tail guy? He's a fart sniffer. He will never make it into the hall of fame because even without the burden of proof, everyone knows pony tail guy sniffs his own farts. That's just how it goes.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:34 | 4531192 ParkAveFlasher
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MLB is a live entertainment company.  You don't need to love MLB to love baseball, Fonz.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:36 | 4531206 fonzannoon
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he smells his own farts and he uses his pony tail to waft the smell around the room. we can take this seriously or leave it at that.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:49 | 4531280 ParkAveFlasher
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Ah spring is in the air, the gentle breezes carry o'er greening fields, fartwaften, far and near...

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:58 | 4531331 fonzannoon
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exactly. the only thing worse than a guy with a pony tail who smells his own farts is a guy who uses his pony tail to waft it in your direction whilse saying "come on just smell it!" while you try to hold your face under your shirt.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:40 | 4530702 ChargingHandle
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Many of you will call me crazy, but I think Snowden is still employed by NSA. His release/trickle out of information in regards to NSA spying on US citizens is nothing more than a water check. How hot is the water? "They" want to see how we react to our liberties being infringed upon in incremental phases. A test if you determine or assess how much we will/will not accept before the government goes all in and changes the way of life we know it. Controlled labor, controlled healthcare, controlled media, controlled currency, controlled banking, a proposed controlled retirement, and the eventual disarmament of those that will resist. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:02 | 4530798 Herd Redirectio...
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No, he worked for the CIA, who sent him to infiltrate the NSA.  It was faction-based, IMO.  NSA had been getting larger and larger budgets, these last few years, whereas CIA was getting budget cuts (i.e. had to rely on growing their black budget, which isn't that easy, what with all the competition in the drug-running, gun-smuggling, business).

So the CIA decided to sully the name of the NSA a bit, take them down a notch in the public eye, with the intent of muddying the NSA's reputation (also known as: Chicago-style politics).

Thats my take.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:20 | 4530848 Chuck Knoblauch
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You're an idiot.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:31 | 4530847 haskelslocal
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Juke Box Hero.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:42 | 4530717 Chuck Knoblauch
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Snowden's real mission is to help the government identify and document dissidents. Are you on the list, yet???

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:49 | 4530721 1stepcloser
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if you're not, you're not doing your job as an Amerikan

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:49 | 4530746 fonzannoon
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These guys are pondering about the difference between firefox and chrome. That is why Snowden defected and went through all this. I can't wait till they start arguing about coke and pepsi.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:49 | 4530749 yogibear
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From the conference....

Agreed. The open source cryptos should be pissed. Time for a revolt by delevopers to secure from the marketing and information gathering goons.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:51 | 4530751 SgtShaftoe
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Yes, SSL very important. Why doesn't ZH use SSL for all logged-in users? Right now, NSA keeps a copy of each and every comment someone makes on this forum. Come on guys, It's not much overhead or additional work.

Of all organizations, ZH should understand the importance of SSL.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:52 | 4530762 fonzannoon
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if that is true most of us have made our bed a long time ago. No need to worry about anything now. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:00 | 4530780 Chuck Knoblauch
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There is one universal constant in the universe. The government has no sense of humor.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:58 | 4530787 Yoki
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LMAO, and you think SSL going to protect you?

Its like trying to use Ziplock bag against a speeding bullet instead of cevlar.


Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:11 | 4530814 SgtShaftoe
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You clearly don't know anything about encryption. SSL using a strong random number generator works. Using SSL doesn't mean the GCHQ or NSA can't spy on you, but it makes it a hell of a lot harder. They'd essentially have to root the endpoints. Using SSL makes mass surveillance impractical if not impossible.

Didn't you watch Snowden's fucking video!?!??!

Based on your retardo logic, you might as well put your life savings out on the sidewalk in front of your house, in cash. Then post your address online. But email it to me first.

What's your net-worth again?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:18 | 4530841 Chuck Knoblauch
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Why was the ACLU guy there? He was used as a prop, like the US Constitution green screen. What a joke.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:26 | 4530862 SgtShaftoe
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The ACLU is always at DEFCON too. They do some good work, but their selective support of the amendments "they like" in the Bill of Rights is bullshit. If an organization is going to defend human rights, they should defend ALL OF THEM. The EFF focuses on Internet freedom only. They at least aren't hypocritical like the ACLU.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:35 | 4530925 Yoki
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Perhaps, I should clarify this for you, let me take your hand and show you the real world:


1) SSL used to depend on "strong" random generators, untill a "strong" number generators were placed on what is called a chip, and as with all hacks, that is a root level. Even random numbers have a pattern, and when you influence that pattern you can actually guess the private KEY. oh wait, that was 90's technology

2) You'r Overloads no longer care about 1024 bit encryption, when you own all the keys, who needs to crack??

3) You'r Overloads have posted the entire reducted transcript on ZH, I'v read every sentence, clearly you have not.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I am just saying, you can't win! Now, go and serve your overloads a drink bitch! lmao

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 19:00 | 4532483 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Yes and no on SSL. This a response to your other comment about SSL certificates encrypted or not you don't need to root endpoints to beat SSL it is called MITM attacks.

Man-in-the-middle attacks on SSL are really only possible if one of SSL's preconditions is broken, here are some examples;

  • The server key has been stolen - means the attacker can appear to be the server, and there is no way for the client to know.

  • The client trusts an untrustworthy CA (or one that has had it's root key stolen) - whoever holds a trusted CA key can generate a certificate pretending to be the server and the client will trust it. With the number of CAs pre-existing in browsers today, this may be a real problem. This means that the server certificate would appear to change to another valid one, which is something most clients will hide from you.

  • The client doesn't bother to validate the certificate correctly against its list of trusted CA's - anyone can create a CA. With no validation, "Ben's Cars and Certificates" will appear to be just as valid as Verisign.

  • The client has been attacked and a fake CA has been injected in his trusted root authorities - allows the attacker to generate any cert he likes, and the client will trust it. Malware tends to do this to for example redirect you to fake banking sites.


Those supposed secure certificates from companies like Verisign are exactly how they get underneath SSL using MITM type methods.

For ZH to be truely secure like you say they should issue their own signed certificates using the right type of SSL certificate generator using the Dual Elliptic Curve Deterministic Random Bit Generator, aka Dual_EC_DRBG to generate key numbers. And not only that implement what they call per session keys which means if let's say the site's private key get's compromised previous traffic won't be.

You do that then you need to directly compromise each endpoint which puts a big damper on mass surviellance of traffic through compromised middle men points.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 12:56 | 4530778 fonzannoon
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These guys are fucking ass clowns. They are proposing encryption technology to raise the cost of technology so that it no longer becomes an option for the government. That is their answer. Not to question the government, and the reasons as to why they would be doing any of this. Their true motivations are pure, they are just having a bit too much fun with their toy.  We Just to make it a bit moar of a pain in the ass for them to do it. 

Frauds on the highest scale. This pony tail guy is the worst.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:03 | 4530800 Yoki
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Becouse it makes him money.... yey, he says, lets try to compete with the computing power of the USA.... I'm sure you are going to win.... another deception... but no do not question the reason, that is forbiden, lets not have any of those talks, lets just all make new ENC, here's mine: 

Go Foo Bar....

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:10 | 4530821 SgtShaftoe
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They're from the ACLU. They have a unique perspective on the world.

Do you know how the ACLU counts to 5?

"1, er 3, 4, 5."

From a systems analysis perspective, they're partially right. Encryption of everything makes mass surveillance impossible. But that's not the root cause. It's just a band-aid solution.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:12 | 4530830 Chuck Knoblauch
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The ACLU shits on self-defense and 2nd Amendment cases.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 19:54 | 4532662 novictim
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Your allies are those who are on your side at the time you need them.

Thank the ACLU for being the ONLY folks worried about your 4th amendment rights.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:19 | 4530846 fonzannoon
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 "But that's not the root cause."

excatly. Snowden addressed the root cause a few times, in the abstract...As if one day his worst fears may come true. Because that has not happened yet....In the meantime lets sniff our own farts and talk about firefox vs chrome.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:34 | 4530914 Chuck Knoblauch
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Stop placing your faith in human beings! You WILL be disappointed.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:11 | 4531090 Ban KKiller
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Oh but it has happened. NSA reports to DEA and DEA reports to local cops who all of a sudden have a lead to drug crime. Well documented...I don't feel like looking it up but you should so you know what you speak of. 

Been a bank stooge long?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 19:52 | 4532635 novictim
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Good job!

Thanks for referencing "PARALLEL CONSTRUCTION"

Parallel Construction is a illegal methodology used by the NSA and is the process by which the Government uses unconstitutional means (listening to the NSA data base of recorded VOICE communications (without a warrant)  to "discover" evidence of drug deals... Once this illegal data yields where drug deals are to go down, for instance, the DEA informs the local law enforcement to look for the perps at the noted place and time.  

After the bust the cops then fabricate a "legal" avenue whereby they might have found that same detailed evidence ("hey, tha car looked suspicious, it has a light out..."etc)...the courts are kept in the dark as to how the evidence was really collected in violation of the 4th Amendment.  

The question TODAY is why this blatantly illegal activity has not lead to mass exonerations yet...and why the media has fallen silent on the topic.  Creepy!

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 20:24 | 4532766 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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FISA courts approve this shit all the time they call them 'sneak and peak' warrants. You can look in the box but can't legally use the contents after sneaking a peak in it.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:09 | 4531081 Ban KKiller
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They said to encrypt would make it harder for our government to look at everything, more expensive AND then have to get a court order for that one suspect. 

We will have end to end encryption soon, six months. You don't have to use it. Feel free to feel free. 

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:12 | 4530829 Cruel Aid
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Austin news flash: stay away! no room.. people stacking is a growth industry. You can't drive here. Bike paths are video game like. You can't blow your nose on 6th street without someone in a cubicle wondering what you are saying. It will be New York in 5 years.

And Perry is out there drumming up new business...WTF! Sometimes more revenue is not the answer to standard of living.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:32 | 4530893 Chuck Knoblauch
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Mexico wants its land back. US to be annexed by the North American Union?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 13:42 | 4530956 Cruel Aid
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Why would you pick that name and if you are A & M Chuck, why would you use your real name?... Just asking

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 15:27 | 4531475 Chuck Knoblauch
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My real name is Jose Jimenez.

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 17:32 | 4532124 g'kar
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So you both played baseball?

Mon, 03/10/2014 - 14:09 | 4531071 tony wilson
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some one ask him about london 7 7 blair bombs

ask him what is the back story on jfk and rfk

ask him did clinton really bite the face off a hooker

ask him did tony blair really get arrested for wank jerking another man off in a london toilet

ask him about the elephant in the room


what went wrong why did the bbc fuck up the timings on the wt 7 controlled demolition

so many questions

so few real  answers

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