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Copper Limit Down In Shanghai; Falls To Lowest Since July 2009

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Following a triumvirate of macro misses from AsiaPac (South Korea unemployment surged, Aussie confidence plunged, and Japanese inflation tumbled), the credit concerns running riot through the collateral underlying China's shadow banking system continue to crush Copper (and iron ore) prices. Copper is limit down in Shanghai at its lowest since July 2009 - these size moves have only occurred twice in history (Lehman and the US downgrade). Japanese stocks are ignoring any ramp efforts in USDJPY and US equity futures are fading qucikly with AUDJPY....


A sprinkling of headlines from this evening:

  • South Korea unemployment jumped to 3.9% (exp 3.2%, prev 3.2%) - highest in 3 years
  • Aussie Consumer Confidence dropped to 10-month lows
  • Japanese Producer Price Inflation (Domestic Corporate Goods) MoM -0.2% - biggest deflation since Dec 2012 and YoY slowest since June 2013
  • *COPPER IN SHANGHAI DROPS AS MUCH AS 5.2% TO 43,800 YUAN/MT (close to biggest drop since Dec 08)


Leaves copper echoinG Lehman and the US downgrade...


With the Nikkei unable to catch a bid from JPY ramp


and S&P futures continuing to track AUDJPY lower..


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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:36 | 4536724 SilverIsMoney
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Look at Gold! Up to $1358 and rising!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:38 | 4536731 fonzannoon
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I see $1,350. where do you see $1,358 and rising?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:39 | 4536736 SilverIsMoney
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Kitco... it topped at 1358. We're at 1356 now.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:42 | 4536749 fonzannoon
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Got it thanks. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:46 | 4536769 James_Cole
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Come on folks, do your civic duty and start buying copper futures. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:17 | 4536879 walküre
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same game, different night

paper gold is bid overnight in Asia and gets sold down the river when either London or Chicago opens

one could almost suspect the paper gold pushers are scalping the Asian buyers

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:26 | 4536922 The Vineyard
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Yeah. Yeah.  We get it.  China fall down go boom.  How long have you been predicting this shit?  Bastards.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:53 | 4537027 max2205
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I smell panic. ...short the next rip

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:14 | 4537099 Oh regional Indian
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Most people are getting ripped in their shorts...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:15 | 4537722 Squid-puppets a...
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yea, its hilarious how on so many closes of western markets the price ends in a 9
$1329, $1339, $1349 - they use just enough dry powder to acheive that 'psychological effect'

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:21 | 4536894 booboo
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Hope this translates into cheaper full metal jacket ammo.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:37 | 4536728 GrinandBearit
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Ahhh shit... my 2 tons of pre-1982 pennies is losing value!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:40 | 4536741 SilverIsMoney
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Too bad you can't BTD on those coins...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:54 | 4536793 disabledvet
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you could if the Government would mint actual money for the first time in forever.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:42 | 4536750 Rubbish
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There is always copper boolits.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:08 | 4536837 HardlyZero
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What the greenies call 'eco-friendly' hunting rounds.


Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:44 | 4536759 chump666
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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:45 | 4536763 fonzannoon
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something looks tired tonight Chump.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:31 | 4536946 chump666
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China's testicles.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:54 | 4536795 greatbeard
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>> pre-1982 pennies

Pre 82?  I thought it was post '82.  Dohhh!!!!



Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:02 | 4536814 cossack55
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So what is Kyle going to do with that $1 million worth of nickles?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:40 | 4536730 NoDebt
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On CNBC they have ONE innane article talking about the drop in Copper being somehow vaguely related to a slowdown in the world economy.  Not a damned CLUE about copper being used heavily as collateral for Chinese loans.

Hats off to the Tylers for their coverage of this (and the related iron ore collateralization scheme) or I would be clueless about these sudden moves.  

That's it.  I'm done making out with the Tylers for a while.  In two weeks I'll be back to asking "what have you done for me lately?"  This is still Fight Club, after all.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:46 | 4536771 beegle
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couldnt agree more , zh rocks

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:15 | 4536833 TruthInSunshine
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Dr. Copper, give me the news

They've got a bad case of rehypothecation blues

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:57 | 4537044 nightshiftsucks
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ZH has made me look like a genius,not for investing but all the bullshit games going on.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:44 | 4537213 Dollarmedes
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I saw an article on Bloomberg about how copper was falling due to the Chinese exports miss (-18.1% YoY) and reduced demand. The article went on to say that copper/iron ore being used as collateral for shadow banking was "anecdotal."

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:47 | 4536774 Ban KKiller
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Gee, there is a worldwide slow down? Just like the slowdown since 2008? Sorry, I missed the recovery in between because I ditched wall street...but I feel cleaner. The slowdown will continue until the reset.

Fiat is still crazy in its race to the bottom. 

Long fish ponds.


Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:51 | 4536781 prains
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copper production is very "whether" related....

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 07:13 | 4537788 BringOnTheAsteroid
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What, whether we spell weather right?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:49 | 4536777 SlipStitchPass
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Any paper gold gains will be promptly dealt with between 9:30 and 10 am EST. Thank you and please drive through. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 21:52 | 4536786 fonzannoon
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Anyone seen Akak lately?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:01 | 4536812 prains
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He's helping AnAnalogous repurpose his basement for the Zombie Apocolypse Kegger

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:11 | 4536848 Ralph Spoilsport
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Holy shit! Akak has been banned!


Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:17 | 4536876 NoDebt
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Akak?  Never heard of him.  No such person.

(Holy shit!  Did he get banned or resign his gamertag voluntarily?  He's been wiped from the face of the earth, apparently.)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:20 | 4536888 Ralph Spoilsport
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We may never know. He never posted anything that outrageous that I can remember.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:25 | 4536914 NoDebt
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Yeah, that's pretty much my assessment, too.  I don't recall him running afoul of any stated ZH policies in any serious way.  Others have gone MUCH further in their comments and with much regular frequency before being booted.  That's why I'm wondering if he just hung up his skates or something.  

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:55 | 4537569 chumbawamba
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I chatted briefly with Akak earlier today.  He did not get banned nor did he run afoul of any ZH policies.  You folks should just move along, there's nothing to see here.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:31 | 4536943 macholatte
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Holy shit! Akak has been banned!


I protest! Bring that asshat back.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:38 | 4536972 ghengis86
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His name was AKAK...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:43 | 4536880 prains
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No he's been temporarily "reassigned" to roadside clean up

<----sarc you mort

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:18 | 4536883 fonzannoon
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Akak is a good dude and a rational and intelligent person. If he is banned from here we may as well all close up shop.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:20 | 4536892 Ralph Spoilsport
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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:21 | 4536898 prains
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and he pounces on Chicom trolls relentlessly, there's no rational reason for him to be banned. I put his absence down to the "weather".

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:52 | 4537245 TruthInSunshine
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Yep. Akak is a righteous dude who is a Chinabot Troll Slayer.

If he was involuntarily banned, WTF.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:23 | 4536904 LetThemEatRand
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For fuck's sake, Akak is banned for what?  

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:26 | 4536918 Ralph Spoilsport
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Question of the day. No clue.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:29 | 4536919 prains
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The Chicom agenda must now have a backer at ZH, can they even pronouce ZH?


here's his last comment that i could find;


Sat, 03/01/2014 - 22:36 | 4495442akak
Vote up!

Vote down!


You're apparently treading a very thin and dangerous line there, LTER.  I just saw a similar post get deleted right in front of my eyes a moment ago.  Very sad.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:30 | 4536940 Ralph Spoilsport
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Comments in ZChat indicate it was voluntary. No explanation given.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:33 | 4536954 prains
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then it's just the booze talking, when Ananalogous Anus starts blobbing up he'll be back to clean house

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:33 | 4536956 fonzannoon
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well if it's voluntary and you are out there Akak and seeing this, come on back man. 

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!