Diplomacy Fails In Ukraine: Putin Slams Kerry Plan, Kiev Issues Ultimatum, Crimea Suspends All Non-Moscow Flights

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While it may have been pushed back from the front pages to keep confidence high, things in the Crimea, and in Ukraine in general (which may or may not waved goodbye to its gold reserves) are going from bad to worse with every passing day, with the near term catalyst of course being this Sunday Crimean referendum vote, which seems like a done deal, and which will give Russia a carte blanche to annex the territory over the howls of protest from Ukraine's coup government, and the west of course.

Making this outcome one step clower, overnight the parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea adopted an independence declaration from Ukraine which is necessary for holding a March 16 referendum.

“We, the members of the parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Sevastopol City Council, with regard to the charter of the United Nations and a whole range of other international documents and taking into consideration the confirmation of the status of Kosovo by the United Nations International Court of Justice on July, 22, 2010, which says that unilateral declaration of independence by a part of the country doesn’t violate any international norms, make this decision,” says the text of the declaration, which was published by the Crimean media.

As RT reports, the document was adopted during an extraordinary session of parliament. 78 of 100 members of the parliament voted in favor of the declaration.

The Crimean parliament’s vote to become an independent sovereign state paves the way for the March 16 referendum for the Crimean Autonomous Republic and the city of Sevastopol to join Russia. If the referendum is in favor, the Crimean authorities will request for their country to become a constituent republic of the Russian Federation. The declaration was signed by the speaker of the Supreme Council of Crimea, Vladimir Konstantinov, and the head of the Sevastopol City Council, Yury Doynikov.

 

“We adopted the declaration of independence to make the upcoming referendum legitimate and transparent,” Konstantinov said. “Now we declare ourselves the Republic of Crimea, we don’t add ‘autonomous."

 

After Tuesday’s declaration of independence, Crimea will never rejoin Ukraine, Konstantinov added. He said that Crimea will adopt the Russian ruble as its currency soon after the referendum.

Not unexpectedly, the west, and Ukraine specifically, continue to make loud noises over the referendum, with the latest development is Kiev sending an ultimatum to Crimea. Guardian reports that "Ukraine's parliament has warned the regional assembly in Crimea that it faces dissolution unless it cancels a referendum it has called to join the region to Russia."

A resolution, supported by a parliamentary vote, gave the Crimean parliament until Wednesday to call off the referendum, due to take place on Sunday. The Crimean parliament on Tuesday passed a motion stating that it would become independent in the event of a yes vote and then seek to join the Russian Federation, arguing that "the unilateral declaration of independence of part of a state does not violate any international laws".

There is the minor matter of enforcing this ultimatum in a territory largely controlled by Russian forces:

Also on Tuesday, the acting Ukrainian president, Oleksander Turchinov, announced that a new national guard would be formed in response to Russian attempts to annex Crimea.

 

Turchinov said mismanagement of the armed forces under former president Viktor Yanukovych meant that the Ukrainian military had to be rebuilt "effectively from scratch". The acting defence minister said the country had only 6,000 combat-ready infantry compared with more than 200,000 Russian troops on its eastern borders.

Good luck with that.

But aside from the actual area of physical confrontation, the real conflict continues behind the scenes. It is here that we find Russia president Putin has apparently rejected a U.S. proposal to resolve the dispute over Ukraine that had been put forward by Secretary of State John Kerry over the past week, according to senior Russian and U.S. officials. WSJ reported that "Mr. Putin's decision led Mr. Kerry to put off a Russian invitation to meet Mr. Putin in Russia, as early as the beginning of this week in Sochi, to discuss the Ukraine crisis, according to these officials."

Moscow and Washington on Monday each blamed the other for the diplomatic stumble and for failing to defuse the most serious U.S.-Russian standoff since the end of the Cold War.

 

Residents of the Crimean region of Ukraine are scheduled to vote Sunday on whether to secede from their country and join the Russian federation.

 

Despite the setback, U.S. and Russian officials stressed Monday that discussions on the former Soviet state were ongoing. The State Department didn't rule out Mr. Kerry visiting Moscow to meet Mr. Putin.

 

"The United States needs to see concrete evidence that Russia is prepared to engage on the diplomatic proposals we have made to facilitate direct dialogue between Ukraine and Russia," State Department spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said.

Send in the Kerry again perhaps? Speaking of political cadavers, ousted Ukraine president Yanukovich, whose political future even Putin said is over, appeared on TV earlier today and reminded everyone he was still the legitimate leader:

Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has said in a televised press conference that he is still the legitimate leader of the country. It was his second statement made from the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don where he fled to when he was removed from power by the Ukrainian Parliament.

 

“I want to remind you that I am not only still the legitimate president of Ukraine but also the supreme commander of the army and I haven’t stopped my duties as president early – I am still alive.”

 

He took no questions from the press after his speech.

 

Yanukovych claimed that he was still the legitimate leader of Ukraine and that he fled Ukraine because of a direct threat to his and his family’s lives.

 

He added he would return to Ukraine soon.

 

He called the upcoming May 25 presidential election “illegal” and said that any government voted in would also be unconstitutional

 

He said the US and West should not be backing or funding the new “bandit” government which had carried out an illegal coup d’etat.

And then there is everything else. Reading Reuters:

A pro-Russian force opened fire in seizing a Ukrainian military base in Crimea on Monday and NATO announced reconnaissance flights along its eastern frontiers as confrontation around the Black Sea peninsula showed no sign of easing. Ukrainian activists trying to cross into Crimea to show solidarity with opponents of last week's Russian military takeover there said they were halted by men in uniforms of the now outlawed riot police. One of these fired at close range, hitting a man in the chest, apparently with rubber bullets.

 

With diplomacy at a standstill, Russia said the United States had spurned an invitation to hold new talks on resolving the crisis, the worst East-West standoff since the Cold War - although Washington said later a meeting of foreign ministers was possible this week, if Moscow shows it is ready to "engage".

 

The U.S.-led NATO defense alliance said AWACS early warning aircraft, once designed to counter feared Soviet nuclear missile strikes, would start reconnaissance flights on Tuesday over Poland and Romania to monitor the situation in Ukraine, flying from bases in Germany and Britain.

 

The United States on Tuesday will also begin previously planned military training exercises in the region, the first since the Russian intervention in Crimea. A U.S. Navy destroyer will participate in maneuvers with Romanian and Bulgarian warships in the Black Sea, across from Crimea. In Poland, U.S. fighter jets will take part in joint exercises.

 

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On Monday, a Ukrainian defense official said a Russian-led military force of about a dozen men fired in the air as they took control of a Ukrainian naval base near the town of Bakhchisaray, though no one was hurt.

 

The force was accompanied by the base's Ukrainian commander. He persuaded a number of his men to join the Russian forces while allowing others who refused to leave, the Ukrainian official, Vladislav Seleznyov wrote on Facebook. The Russian force later drove off with nine Ukrainian vehicles.

 

Yarik Alexandrov, one of the Ukrainian naval personnel who refused to pledge allegiance to Moscow, told Reuters near the base that he and his comrades at first refused to surrender. "Then they started shooting round our feet and we surrendered," he said. "What could we do? We had no weapons."

 

Similar small confrontations have taken place at other Ukrainian bases around Crimea, although shooting has been rare and there has so far been no bloodshed. Russia denies its troops are involved - a stance ridiculed in Kiev and the West.

 

In a sign of the peninsula's growing isolation from the Ukrainian mainland, armed men prevented a convoy of cars from a Ukrainian activist group crossing into Crimea.

 

The group was part of the Maidan movement behind the protests that forced Yanukovich to flee to Russia. Ukrainian television showed men in the uniform of the Berkut riot police, banned by the new authorities for its role in shooting dozens of demonstrators in Kiev last month, blocking the road south.

 

One was shown firing twice, hitting a man in the chest. His injuries appeared minor, suggesting the use of rubber bullets.

 

In other armed action, Russian forces took over a military hospital and a missile unit. Reuters correspondents also saw a big Russian convoy on the move just outside the port city of Sevastopol near a Ukrainian air defense base.

 

It comprised more than 100 vehicles, including around 20 armored personnel carriers, plus mobile artillery.

In conclusion, just so there is no confusion about who is in charge of Crimea...

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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:04 | 4533840 Gief Gold Plox
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I expect an immediate drop in gold price.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:07 | 4533845 Arius
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Never, i mean never give up!

 

I expect Kerry and Lavrov will come up with something of a deal.. However, that news about the Iranian nuclear materials out of Ukraine is definitely not good for the country.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:31 | 4533858 Headbanger
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The Crimea mess is going about as expected cause Russia is not going to let go of its access to the Black Sea no matter what now.

And because Obama!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:39 | 4533916 TerminalDebt
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"All flights cancelled expect for Moscow", I guess thats a bit more dramatic than saying "Two flights were cancelled"

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 09:17 | 4533992 AlaricBalth
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This has to be one of the funniest editorials I have ever read. I literally laughed out loud after reading it.

From Russian Pravda:

The West's Unrequited Love - Ukraine

"The EU chased after the Ukraine as a homosexual chases after another man.  He wooed him with offers of sensual pleasures he thought he would enjoy. He was quickly rebuked and was filled with hatred and wrath. He invited his orgy lovers from the US to go after him like a child molester goes after a boy."

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/11-03-2014/127082-west_ukrai...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 09:44 | 4534037 Buckaroo Banzai
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And they got this part right:

"There is no independence in the EU as Greece, Italy and Spain found out or even with the IMF. What does the West have to offer anyway? Sodom and Gomorrah? Is not their society upside down? They prefer to turn young girls into harlots or lesbians, young men into punks or gays. Their pornography spreads pedophilia like a cancer among children. Hollywood leaves them empty, filling minds with only sewage. An emptiness they try to fill with drugs, sex, music or the occult. "It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin." Yet sin they promote here with billions of dollars. There is no independence they just want Ukraine as they once wanted Russia overthrown. They tried in 2012 against Putin with McFaul paying protesters in Russia thinking they could succeed as they once did a century earlier."

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:02 | 4534087 Independent
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This was a very good post on a yahoo article thought I would share it with you, the user is omega man:

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-oligarchs-key-posts-bid-unity-091211105.html

“We are witnessing a large geopolitical game in which the game is the destruction of Russia as
a geopolitical opponent of the United States, or of its global financial oligarchy.”

When you listen to Asst. Sec. of State Ms. Nuland in Washington D.C. on December 13th, 2013, at the National Press Club, an event sponsored by Chevron, who claimed the USA spent $5 billion in Ukraine to "give Ukrainians the government they deserve" by destabilizing the elected government whose election was internationally monitored, you can really start putting the pieces together and seeing that what Mr. Yakunin is saying something that people should be paying attention to. Russia is not going to bow to the pressures of the West. So Russia may become much more militaristic and much more defensive in trying to stave off what Yakunin says is a global financial oligarchy.
The United States, through different agencies, they are starting to promote natural gas exploration, with Haliburton already in Poland, and Shell signed a deal with Ukraine last year. So there is this whole department, the Bureau of Energy Resources, that was set up in 2011 by former U.S. Secretary of State, HIILLARY CLINTON, Mr. (Carlos) Pascual, who by the way was a former American ambassador to Ukraine, and who now heads this department, asserted that his teams efforts had already weakened Mr. Putin’s hand, and helped lower Ukraine’s dependence on Russia for natural gas supplies to 60 percent, down from 90 percent.
Mr. Pascual said that his team had worked to help Ukraine and other European countries break away from dependence on Russian gas. So that’s what you have here: You have a trade war, a currency war, and you have an energy war. So this has nothing to do with freedom and democracy in Ukraine.”

Let's see, US Asst sec state Nuland who bragged about spending $5 billion to overthrow old gov in kiev, - JEW; Leader in new gov in Kiev - JEW, billionaire oligarchs appointed governors of eastern Russian speaking regions, - JEWS,
US media owners - JEWS, Main US political contributors and lobbists - JEWS, US banking owners - JEWS,
New gov in kiev have passed a law to "privatize" state oil and gas company, even though no one elected them, who do you think will benefit? JEWS
by getting shares for a song. Even though this government was not even elected!

Hitlary Clinton comparing Putin to Hitler - this is pandering to the jewish lobby to be demoncratic nominee. We all know where power comes from in this country. Don't believe a word you are told.
It is well known that jews do not like Putin as he did not like the jewish oligarchs in russia who stole a lot of the state assets. If you care to look. USA is controlled by jewish oligarchs.

The ONLY time that Putin has used any force is when NATO was trying to expand in Georgia and Ukraine, did you know with EU membership comes automatic military agreements, NATO BASES. The fools in Washington are playing their games, very dangerous games. Poking nuclear powers by trying to get missiles on their doorsteps. Are you ok with missiles in Cuba or other places so close to the US?

"Who elected the self proclaimed government of Ukraine? Obviously, no one elected them. They violently seized power in spite of the agreement they signed with the lawfully, democratically elected president. The current, self appointed government does not represent the people of Ukraine, they are interlopers who represent the interests of Ukraine's Oligarchs, and they are NOT interested in holding elections, because they know they would not win. So, by appointing the Oligarchs governors of the various 'provences,' they assure any election held will get them elected by hook or by Oligarch! "

In the end maybe the true intention of these thieves was the gold deposits of Ukraine and the national treasures, such as Schythian gold artifacts and countless paintings, statues, etc which will find their way into the private collector's market. The total theft could run into tens of billions of dollars. A few ringleaders have done quite well for themselves, I guess the Italian Job will pale in comparison to the Ukrainian Job pulled off by the Kosher Mafia

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:14 | 4534112 Joe Davola
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Good thing Obama sent some gays as representatives to the olympics - that sure showed Putin who was boss!

BTW: Lighten up Independent;)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:45 | 4534197 yogibear
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What's Putin to think when he sees Reggie hanging around.  He knows the US is propagating smoking dope.

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:26 | 4534145 V in PA
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"So this has nothing to do with freedom and democracy in Ukraine.”

 

-It (the this) never has, and never will.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:15 | 4534311 new game
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and this earlier from zh:

Exxon's Black Sea gas drilling may be threatened by the referendum in Crimea. Exxon Mobil sought the rights to drill in 2012 and it is unclear as to the outcome if Crimea becomes part of Russia. (BBG)

connecting the dots to the source, econ hitmen, fascist regime of course(u know who) and counterparts.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:23 | 4534349 Woodyg
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Lets not forget Jennifer Psaki was a part of the whole F U EU phone call debacle etc - that exposed the meddling of the USA -
And she's but a mere lassie of around 30!
Think Putin is quaking in his boots when some Ivy League pimplely prepster/threatens Russia?
The hubris and narcissism from these Obama Admin Ivy League scumbags is Unfreaking believable.
I'm sure these Ivy Leaguers are sitting around saying 'but but but Doesn't Putin know we are the 'best and brightest' and everyone should bow down before us?
Our Economy, world peace and Democracy would all be GREATLY enhanced if we outlawed all Ivy Leaguers from positions of power within the USA gov -

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:30 | 4534600 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Our Economy, world peace and Democracy would all be GREATLY enhanced if we outlawed all Ivy Leaguers from positions of power within the USA gov -

...or even just people with multinational citizenship.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:01 | 4534494 Jack Burton
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Wonderful post "Independent". Fuck! We all know what is going on in the world, but the Jewish AIPAC here in the USA has made us all shut up about it like we were living under Stalin's rule. Jews have a rule, and have had for ages. "Any unit of money that enters the Jewish circle, must remain inside the circle". As they grasp with every trick known to man to seize assets, these assests will only be allowed to spread inside the Jewish circle". While they KNOW this is fact, they scream bloody murder when anyone dares point it out. They are out for the tribe, and all the rest of us are cattle. Fuck that.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:58 | 4534695 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Jack, you'll find this article an interesting complement to the one which Independent linked to. It describes how Kolomoysky, the oligarch to whom the "rebels" gave the city of Dnepropetrovsk as a fiefdom, may have had a role in the lack or suppression of Jewish outrage at the putsch by Ukrainian neo-Nazis.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/07/the-ukrainian-pendulum/

As always, the standard disclaimer about all news reports being biased applies. Nevertheless, it provides an account of details which are suspiciously missing from Western media reports.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:16 | 4534752 dark pools of soros
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ALL HAIL MOLOCH YOU FILTHY GOYIMS!!!!!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:53 | 4534683 Byte Me
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Always look for the "Cui Bono" cardholder in a game of poker.

viz:

  1. If there's war (don't all laff at once) the various MICs benefit - up to the point of gigadeaths in which case bets are off.
  2. Putin plays chess, like many Russians do, I'm not sure if he plays poker, but he'd be a natural (ostensibly Obama loses)
  3. Crimea is 'lost' to Ukraine it would seem - barring a reverse landslide vote (again, don't laff - EthnoRussian Ukrainian Crimeans, and Tartars ain't in love with 'mother Russia to a man)
  4. The protecting "Forces" in Crimea will count the vote so yeah, 3. comes to pass on Sunday...
  5. BUT -- in so doing, Putin sets a very dangerous modern precedent regarding secession GLOBALLY.
  6. There are over 80 republics, oblasts, krais (territories) and autonomous regions in the Russian Federation -- many with EthnoRussian minorities and majotities who might like 'freedom' (but not the US version of freedom)
  7. COULD they break away? Of course not! Russia would treat them to a "Chechen" retribution. But Russia is BIG, has a plethora of ethnicities and could be engineered to fight on many fronts at once - just as the US seems to be spread between SE Asia, the ME, and E Europe.
  8. Who Gains? Not the Ukraine. They're toast courtesy of Nuland. The USA? Maybe not, there's 50 united states - but what if some tried to seceed? DHS would come to the rescue, 2bil bullets would help.
  9. What if some group wanted to split from a 28 member union? Much easier with a modern precedent.
  10. Cui Bono?

This week - Russia 'bono'

But a couple of years ago a basketload of US NGOs got booted from Russia, ostensibly for troublemaking (read: agitating) Could this agitating happen again? I think so.

Of course it's about Energy. But it's about OWNERSHIP. This is setting the Russian Federation up for a breakup and asset strip. Breaking up the USSR was just a landmark along the path.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:10 | 4534102 Ifigenia
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to further this decadence here, they even promote the "reform" of churchs according to this. By the way, the jews ortodox also promote gay and lesbian? if not they have to reform to.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:07 | 4534286 Flux
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"It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin."

Or you could just beat the lesbians with whips, then splash acid on them:

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/06/russia-pussy-riot-suffer-burns-and-he...

That'll teach 'em.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:29 | 4534378 Herd Redirectio...
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So... the story you link to... Suggests they were peppersprayed, and then had antiseptic 'something' poured on them.  Not quite an acid attack, hmmm?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:00 | 4534702 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ukrainian Junta Citizenism citizens are propagandists. Propagandists do not use facts to adjust to reality but as material to produce propaganda.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 17:09 | 4535757 Flux
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Russia's homophobia is well documented. As well as its abuse of women. Would you like the video clip of the Cossack goons whipping Pussy Riot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pussy-riot-whipped-cossack-militia...

:shrug:

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:26 | 4534804 dark pools of soros
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how about burning them and you next time??  no reason to reason with liar scum

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 17:11 | 4535766 Flux
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Russia's homophobia is well documented. As well as its abuse of women. Would you like the video clip of the Cossack goons whipping Pussy Riot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pussy-riot-whipped-cossack-militia...

:shrug:

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:45 | 4534196 flapdoodle
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Looks like the gloves are coming off. Next thing you know the innuendo will start mentioning Reggie Love by name...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:29 | 4534596 Wahooo
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There must be recorded phone conversations somewhere, perhaps even photos.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:08 | 4534287 Blano
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Pretty good indeed.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:49 | 4535476 ultramaroon
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Xavier Lerma, often published in Pravda, strikes again! He's full of zingers, like:

"Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake."

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) reminded Muslim women who wear a hijab that they should tell the TSA officer that they may be searched only around the head and neck. It is their religious right they said.Wow, that’s great! They can search old ladies and nuns but not a Muslim woman. That makes a lot of sense. I’m sure we all feel safer now."

"Keep in mind in Syria the Christians are safe under Assad. If the West gets their way they’re all dead. I know Christianity is under assault in the West by the ACLU et.al., but do they have to spread their hate everywhere?"

"Clinton couldn’t do it in the 90’s but Obama’s paid off justices in the Supreme Court were able to kick in government health care. Obamacare was forced to pass whether you like it or not. Wacky Judge Roberts just changed the word “penalty” and called it a “tax”. What was called unconstitutional by other courts is now legal. Whatever happened to “no taxation without representation”?"

"Say it ain’t so, America say it ain’t so! John Adams once said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Logically, the only way to fix America is for Americans to become “a moral and religious people”. I had a reader ask me why America became so bad over the last five decades. I wrote her many explanations that would fill a book, but she never was able to see the “light”. God is the only answer for America, which is the answer she did not accept. Is she the majority? If so, then the referee has counted to ten and it’s all over with a K.O. in the third round by the Prince of this world."

"You‘d think the Bilderbergers would join the Communists openly and wear hammer and sickle T-shirts like they do in Chicago. FYI for the brainwashed, President Vladimir Putin has been and still is a member of the United Russia party whose symbol is a polar bear."

"Ron Paul (Republican) seems to be the only honest politician left but even the Right wing conservative radio shows in America make him out to be a nut case because he says Iran is not a threat."

 

 

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:01 | 4534083 Freddie
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World War 3 started by Obama, Kerry, Clintons, McCain, NWO/Zato, EU(SSR) and the lying shit media covers for them.

Hey Ed Snowden - what did you do at the CIA and do you still work for them?  Crickets....

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:19 | 4534126 Ifigenia
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Obama is out to golf. He is no more than an image of power and scapegoat, with the sin of vanity. How could a person with his background could really grap power in his own hand, DC is not Disneyland. White Mickey had more conscience of his limit and choose to live in Neverland. Even old McCain have more power than Obama.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 10:59 | 4534240 TheReplacement
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Ukraine's military is down to 6k combat ready troops while Yankabitch scammed all the money and ran to Russia.  What an ideal setup for Putin to march in and take over...  almost like it was planned or something.

Wouldn't it be very, very interesting if Mr. IMF himself (Putin) was actually behind it all from the get go?  Yankabitch was skimming too much and had to go.  Might as well make it a land grab while you're at it.  Just a conspiracy theory. 

Hey, has anyone found those FSB, err, CIA snipers yet?  Didn't think so.

Commence operation red arrow now:  Absolutely do not post a factual rebuttal, just down votes.  We don't want to discuss the truth.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:23 | 4534348 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Impressive.

One fallacy at least by sentence.

Really impressive.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:33 | 4534395 Herd Redirectio...
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March in and takeover what?  The Crimean Peninsula?  Eastern Ukraine, where the US wants to put missile defences?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:49 | 4534664 TheReplacement
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Yeah, Crimea.  You know that land that was given to Ukraine.  That land that was included when Russia signed a deal to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine. 

I've said from the start that there should have been at least one referendum so don't go and try to say I'm against Crimea doing what they want.  That would be lying but not unusual on this site.

What I'm saying is the vote means nothing as long as Russian troops are in the streets. 

BTW, what you think the US wants to do doesn't really apply here.  There were no missiles or troops being sent.  If, in the future, Ukraine decides to host US or whomever then fine, it is their country, not Russia's.  This is not to say the US should take over Ukraine, quite the opposite actually. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:17 | 4534557 TheReplacement
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And you provide no examples or counterpoints - THAT is impressive.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:40 | 4534627 The.Harmless.Who
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Counter-point to what? 

 

You're a zionist shill who is beneath the contempt of those who are awake. 

 

Keep on lying - erm, i mean "posting" your lies. 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:41 | 4534631 Anusocracy
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The US is the biggest lying ass country in the world and your beliefs consist of what is claimed by the US. If someone says something, that does not make it true.

In terms of past behavior, almost everything coming from the US can be judged a falsehood since America is run by pathological liars.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:36 | 4534404 CrashisOptimistic
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Here's one.

On Feb 21, all parties, including 3 foreign ministers of the EU, signed an agreement to hold early elections and stop the protests and coup attempt.  All parties agreed to this, including Russia, the EU and the US.

The next day the coup took place.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:21 | 4534572 TheReplacement
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It would seem that all parties agreed to it but the people in the streets.  Word has it they were Ukrainians unless someone wants to suggest the grannies making molotovs were mercenaries. 

Why do you people think it is okay for all these countries to hold a meeting and decide the future of Ukraine and then complain about US/Banker/EU/Whatever imperialism? 

Let's have everyone get out and let the Ukrainians decide for themselves.  Oh wait, that would have to include Russia and people here seem to masturbate to the idea of Putin ruling over more people.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:17 | 4534755 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It would seem that all parties agreed to it but the people in the streets.

Funny. The rebellion leaders, those glorious representatives of the people in the streets, agreed to it as well.

Why do you people think it is okay for all these countries to hold a meeting and decide the future of Ukraine and then complain about US/Banker/EU/Whatever imperialism?

See above. Any reason you might not want to include that detail in your narrative?

Let's have everyone get out and let the Ukrainians decide for themselves.

That's what the early elections, which the rebellion leaders agreed to, would have done. Very convenient for you to keep forgetting that mattering detail.

Oh wait, that would have to include Russia and people here seem to masturbate to the idea of Putin ruling over more people.

Waooo, Ukrainian Junta Citizenism nightmare fantasies of Putin give this guy erection, handling which leads him to spurt a few lines of propaganda. Who knew Ukrainian Junta Citizenism had such strong adhesion of fetishists to support.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:29 | 4534595 chunga
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Check out Dmitry Orlov's latest blog.

Written today:

The Crimean “Crisis” and Western Bias

The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message:

 

 

"It appears that the US State Dept. gave $5 billion to Ukrainian neo-Nazis who used some of the money to hire mass murderers who massacred protesters, policemen and bystanders in order to provide a rationale for overthrowing the democratically elected government of Ukraine and installing an anti-Russian puppet government."

 

That's about as short and sweet as I can make it. Please go and see how many places you can cut and paste that sentence. It would give us an idea of the extent of the censorship in the US. First they take over Ukraine, then Huffington Post, what's next? Your living-room?]

Bold by me...cut and pasted.

MSM would never censor anything like this, would they? Back to your regularly scheduled distraction.

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 12:40 | 4534624 Freddie
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Putin should tell the Ukrainians that we are coming in to get the criminal billionaire oligarchs and their goons.  We will leave after they are arrested or killed the criminal oligarcahs and then you should have your own elections.   The Ukrainians would probably cheer. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:24 | 4533875 Sudden Debt
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LIKE OBAMA WOULD SAY: GOD MIT UNS!!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 11:02 | 4534258 Cygnus Nigri
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Ich denke du meinst "Gott mit uns!"

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:28 | 4533882 fonzannoon
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Tyler I hope you post this, this is the most hard hitting interview I have ever seen with Obama.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/03/11/on-between-two-fer...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:46 | 4533914 krispkritter
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Our 'Primetime President' doing comedy shows.  Guy gets more TV guest appearances than an Oscar winner and more tee times than Tiger Woods. Over $1B to elect a celebrity nobody to the WH and his little sidekick Opie.

SEND IN THE CLOWNS! 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 09:36 | 4534022 tip e. canoe
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more like

RELEASE THE FERNS

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 09:03 | 4533965 spellbound
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WOW!!! This is amazing. Comedy flirting with truth. WOOOOWW!!!

Thanks.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 08:57 | 4533953 tony wilson
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arius please change your name to

new arse holus

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 09:06 | 4533970 ElvisDog
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I agree that the U.S. and Russia will come to some sort of agreement. Russia is dead serious about controlling the Crimea. The U.S. is just blustering. If Obama wasn't constantly trying to show other world leaders that he's in charge (classic short man complex), this whole thing would have defused weeks ago.

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