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Meet The 2 Iranians At The Center Of The "Stolen Passport" Plot

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"The more information we get, the more we're inclined to conclude that it was not a terrorist incident," says the Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble according to CNN, as details of the 2 Iranians at the center of the "stolen passport" uncertainty are identified. As CNN reports, Noble gave their names and ages as Pouri Nourmohammadi, 18, and Delavar Syed Mohammad Reza, 29 and added "they are not likely to be members of a terrorist group." Of course, the more dismal unknown is that of the entire plane and its passengers and crew which remain missing without a trace.

 

 

Via CNN,

The two passengers in question entered Malaysia using valid Iranian passports, Noble said at a news conference. But they used stolen Austrian and Italian passports to board the missing Malaysian plane, he said.

 

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Noble gave their names and ages as Pouri Nourmohammadi, 18, and Delavar Syed Mohammad Reza, 29.

 

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Further, there's no evidence to suggest either was connected to any terrorist organizations, according to Malaysian investigators.

 

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"We have been checking his background. We have also checked him with other police organizations of his profile, and we believe that he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group," Khalid said.

 

CNN obtained an iReport photo of the two men with two of their friends, believed to have been taken Saturday before the plane disappeared. In it, they are posing with the two others, whose faces CNN has blurred to protect their identities.

Of course the biggest factor is now what happened to Flight 370? CNN sees 4 scenarios:

1. Scenario: Mechanical failure?

Fact: The absence of a debris field suggests the possibility that pilots were forced to ditch the plane and it landed on water without breaking up, finally sinking to the ocean floor.

Analysis: But if that were the case, then why no emergency signal? These planes are able to perform a "miracle on the Hudson" maneuver. They have the ability to glide more than 100 miles and belly land on the water with both engines out, says former 777 pilot Keith Wolzinger, now a civil aviation consultant with The Spectrum Group. During the time it would take for a plane to glide 100 miles, it seems likely that pilots would be able able to send an SOS.

Fact: The missing plane had suffered a clipped wing tip in the past, but Boeing repaired it, and the jet was safe to fly, said Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya on Sunday.

Analysis: "Anytime there's been previous damage to an airplane, even though it's been repaired, and repaired within standards ... it kind of sends a warning flag," says Wolzinger. Experts agree the Boeing 777 is one of the world's most reliable aircraft. During its development it was subject to some of the most rigorous testing in commercial aviation history. "I've been talking with colleagues," Wolzinger says. "We're all baffled by this." The 777 boasts some of the most powerful and well-tested engines in the world, he says. "The reliability of airliner engines in general is impeccable these days," he says. "This is a safe plane."

2. Scenario: Pilot error

Fact: So far, there are no known indications that pilot error contributed to the aircraft going missing.

Analysis: Some aviation experts have compared Flight 370 to the crash of Air France Flight 447 in 2009. All 228 passengers and crew died when the plane went down in a storm in the Atlantic en route from Brazil to Paris. After an expensive, nearly two-year search across the deep ocean floor, the twin-engine Airbus A330's wreckage was finally found and the voice and data recorders recovered. A French investigation blamed flight crew for failing to understand "they were in a stall situation and therefore never undertook any recovery maneuvers." But unlike Flight 447, weather was reported as good along Flight 370's scheduled route and didn't appear to present a threat.

Asiana Airlines Flight 217 -- a Boeing 777 -- fell short during a runway approach last July at San Francisco International Airport. Three people were killed and more than 180 others hurt. National Transportation Safety Board investigators have focused on pilot reliance on automated flight systems as a possible contributor to the crash, but a final report has not yet been released.

3. Scenario: Bomb? Or 'dry run'?

Fact: Two stolen passports have been linked to people who held tickets for the flight.

Analysis: This points to the possibility that someone on a terrorism watch list may have boarded the plane and blown it up. However, the stolen passports don't necessarily mean the plane was an actual target. It's possible, says former U.S. Department of Transportation Inspector General Mary Schiavo, that terrorists may have been performing a "dry run" for a future attack. Or, Schiavo said, "it could be just criminal business as usual," because "there are lots of stolen passports" used by travelers around the world.

Fact: So far, no debris field of plane wreckage has been linked to the 777, which would indicate a bomb blast.

Analysis: When Robert Francis, former vice chairman of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, heard about the missing plane, his immediate thought was: "For some reason the aircraft blew up and there was no signal, there was nothing." The fact that the plane disappeared from radar without warning indicated to Francis "there was something unprecedented that hasn't happened before."

What about satellite technology? Is it possible that data from orbiting satellites might show a flash or infrared heat signature from an explosion? Very unlikely, says satellite expert Brian Weeden, who spent years tracking space junk in orbit for the U.S. Air Force. Dozens of government and private satellites orbit the earth, looking down from distances from 300 kilometers to 1,500 kilometers (185 to 930 miles). It's a long shot that one of them coincidentally floated over at the exact right time and location to capture a flash from an explosion.

However, there's an "off chance," Weeden says, that a super secret U.S. government satellite orbiting 22,000 miles in space might have grabbed evidence. These satellites are in geosynchronous orbit. As a group, they can observe virtually the entire globe. "We know that their mission is to detect ballistic missile launches via heat," says Weeden, now a technical adviser for Secure World Foundation. "We don't know if they're sensitive enough to track something like a bomb blast, even if that's what happened."

Then there's another unanswerable question: Would the government hesitate to release such an image for fear of revealing the satellite system's ultraclassified capability?

4. Scenario: Hijacking?

Fact: Before it disappeared, radar data indicated the plane may have turned around to head back to Kuala Lumpur. Is that a clue that a hijacker had ordered the plane to change course?

Analysis: So far, there have been no reports that the flight crew sent any signals that a hijacking had occurred.

 

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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:18 | 4534763 Grande Tetons
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5. Scenario, Abducted by aliens. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:21 | 4534779 john39
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meanwhile, israel now claims that the lockerbie bombing of Pan Am 103 was carried out by Iran...

http://www.jpost.com/International/Iranian-ex-spy-to-Al-Jazeera-Khomeini-ordered-downing-of-Pan-Am-flight-103-344994

according to netanyahu, the boy who cried wolf was just a piker.

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:32 | 4534834 Infinite QE
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Someone needs to hack the NY Times and post on their landing page: "Netendafeckinyahoo DNA not Jewish. Another Khazar found."

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:51 | 4534885 UnpatrioticHoarder
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It has emerged the co-pilot of flight MH370 routinely smoked in the cockpit and entertained femaie passengers there too:

http://www.theworldasittrulyis.com/?p=146

so here is another scenario: a fire started in the cockpit, destroying the plane's most critical avionics, the plane flew under limited control for at least an hour but without proper instruments fell into the sea on the Western side of the Malay peninsula.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:00 | 4534964 fonzannoon
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those chicks are pretty hot.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:19 | 4535048 Divided States ...
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its obvious that there are two levels of dissemination of news...one is brought out by the MSM for the sheeples...and the other is brought out by the 1% for the 1%.

The NR says that the plane changed course and couldnt be detected by civilian radar...well its obvious that there are other classified radar/satellites in this high tech world today that can track anything real time. Some people already know what happened (and probably they caused this incident as well) while us sheeps can keep fiddling our fingers trying to figure it out based on the tidbits of information they will leak out to us over the next few days to weeks.

Much like what will happen when the stock market crashes one day for no particular reason....its been known and planned by a small group of people way ahead of time and the sheeples wouldnt know what hit them all of a sudden.

Also, this airplane incident is taking a lot of attention that it looks like the Ukraine situation is all 'fixed up' now.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:21 | 4535067 Grande Tetons
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The NR says that the plane changed course and couldnt be detected by civilian radar...

Yeah, sounds familiar....that play has been run at least four times before. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:25 | 4535374 New England Patriot
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Big difference between hijacking and stolen.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:58 | 4535520 CrashisOptimistic
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Just as an FYI, radar sees airliners two ways. 

Direct paint of the target with radar pulses and reflection of those pulses back to the radar antenna.

Second, the airliner has a transponder.  It replies to each incoming radar pulse with a return pulse containing altitude info.

There are probably radar dead spots sufficient range from the radar antenna, but the maps I have seen don't suggest it was far enough away for that to be so.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:57 | 4537041 Independent
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Brought down by USA space based laser, they needed a distraction from the embarassment going on in Crimea and how impotent we looked.  Heck if we can shoot beauty queens dead at antigovt rallies in other countries why couldnt we snuff a plane full of Chinese.  I mean there are a lot of them out there.  Millions die each year just in flooding.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:28 | 4535097 SilverIsKing
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Divided States => BINGO!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:17 | 4535950 TORNasunder
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I was thinking about this earlier. In our current age of ridiculous and overlapping mass surveillance are you telling me nothing was watching that part of the sky? I am certain the tracking of ALL aircraft, including small private, by the big boys is 'very' high on the priority list and has been occurring for a long time.

Somebody(s) knows exactly where this plane is.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:36 | 4536011 mendolover
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Australia sure has it's share of attractive blondes.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:03 | 4534980 Bunders
Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:37 | 4535408 Dave Thomas
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Car hitting dumpster *priceless*

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:48 | 4535200 Zymurguy
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Sounds more like the pilots and some ho's got stoned and diverted the plane to Bangcock where they met up with John Kerry on his Yaught and are on a multi-day bender playing hide the sausage with all sorts of painted ladies.

Party on!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:34 | 4535401 LFMayor
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Then, they ALL died mysteriously at 3 different hotels by auto asphyxiation.

hey, that's how they got Carradeine!  And they were trying to do it to Paul Walker, but he chewed through the ropes and tried to make a getaway in that Porsche.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:18 | 4535587 Overfed
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So what if he smoked in the cockpit? Ever try to light anything on fire with a lit cigarette? Try it and get back to me.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:34 | 4535992 mendolover
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You are kidding right? How many people die in house fires caused by smoking in bed?

A smoker (or ex like me) can relate to the experience of dropping a cigarette in a car for example and having go right where you can't get to it.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:37 | 4536021 mendolover
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Great find!  I love ZH comments!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:36 | 4534855 Confused
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Better ask Winston Smith about the original story. Looks like his department. Unless he already threw the evidence down a memory hole. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:56 | 4534946 max2205
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Maybe it'll show up in PA sometime

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:00 | 4534962 Ifigenia
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the party has already made new guideline for a more veritable version of the facts. It was a pinoy terrorist attack trying to stick it to the gooks (anyway it happen on gooks terrirory), as a form to  attract the ire of the dragon. So, it could facilitate a troika: japs, gooks and pinoy, with the golfer leading from behind (by the way, isnt it dangerous having someone leading from behind? specially when this one is an activist forf lesbian and gay.)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:23 | 4534787 fonzannoon
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it is clearly becoming undeniable that aliens skanked the plane. I have been ridiculed and poo poo'd for putting forth this scenario. But I am confident in it and look forward to Michael Snyder cutting and pasting my hard work and analysis in coming to this obvious conclusion.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:29 | 4534819 Omegaman2211
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'20 Mind Blowing Stats That Prove MH370 Was Taken By Aliens'

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:35 | 4534845 Grande Tetons
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51 reasons why the Zoltarians want our gold. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:07 | 4534994 NoTTD
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And our White Women.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:23 | 4535369 g'kar
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It was the Eye Creatures:

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwc6VADe_Lo

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 17:46 | 4535865 Independent
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That and Malasyia is a moslem country with extremists in its population, perhaps some work as baggage handlers.  The second detonating bomb always brings down the plane.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:31 | 4534800 Levadiakos
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It as all the makings of the promising opening to a 1950s SciFi thilla

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:28 | 4534818 XitSam
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6. Pilot colaborating with 2 bad guys

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:38 | 4535142 SilverIsKing
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New reality show:

"Keeping Up with Pouri and Delavar"

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:31 | 4534828 McMolotov
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Tin-foil isn't just for hat-making. I use it to construct underwear that'll fend off alien probes.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:38 | 4534863 fonzannoon
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You are a good man McMolotov. When my people come to colonize this planet you will be on the protected rolls, and no harm will come to you.

Several doubters on here that I have kept track of however will have to narfel the Garthok.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:02 | 4534974 Ifigenia
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or for sado games?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:49 | 4534920 Payne
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could the aircraft electronics have been hacked to give false guidance ? yes.  Would the pilots have figured this out eventually? yes.  Pilots were also instructed to contact control at a certain point in the flight, they did not.  Total elec failure or fire in cockpit ? maybe.  Aircraft would be flyable with limited navigation.  That would really suck at night.  With smoke in cockpit you descend to less that 10,000 feet.  Elec failure, fire with no radio and no navigation, possible.  Where would they have gone to land ?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:55 | 4535718 KnightTakesKing
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How do you hack a B777 at 35,000 feet?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:40 | 4536033 Georgiabelle
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Apparently Boeing and the FAA were concerned enough about the 777's vulnerability to hacking to issue this special ruling in November of 2013:

 

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-c...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:18 | 4534764 NOTW777
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sounds like the conclusion is: they are iranians therefore they could not possibly be terrorists???

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:54 | 4534936 Sophist Economicus
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The one on the left definitely looks Austrian.    WTF!!!!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:11 | 4535011 BLOTTO
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Maybe due to the Boston Bombing 'story' - it would be hard for 'them' to tell the masses it was 'two kids' again that hoodwinked everyone and slipped by undetected...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:56 | 4536076 Georgiabelle
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Perhaps they wanted to live a lifestyle that is frowned upon in Iran and were emigrating to Europe's more tolerant culture.  Wasn't it Ahmedinejad who said that there are no gays in Iran? It makes sense, especially given that Thailand, where they visited before boarding the flight, is notorious for its sex trade. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:20 | 4534767 NOTW777
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dupe

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:28 | 4534812 Levadiakos
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You can say that again!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:20 | 4534774 ParkAveFlasher
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Not terrorists then?  Good thing you released their names and identities!  Smooth move, Interpol A-Holes!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:29 | 4534820 Mr Pink
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Something tells me they aren't worrying about their privacy at the moment

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:04 | 4534989 Ifigenia
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just as a precaution, collect their bios for NSA

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:00 | 4535252 NotApplicable
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They're dead. What difference does it make?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:20 | 4534775 stopthejunk1
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5. Beamed up to Mother Ship.  Passengers and crew currently undergoing vivisection in high orbit.  Lizardmen loves them some tasty sapiens livers!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:23 | 4534781 stopthejunk1
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"Would the government hesitate to release such an image for fear of revealing the satellite system's ultraclassified capability?"

They wouldn't need to release any photo, obviously.  They'd just direct the search toward that area... doh.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:45 | 4534900 Confused
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This is the most confusing part of the article. We know its there. We know what its purpose is (in theory). Nothing within that realm seems ultraclassified to me. 

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:47 | 4534904 Levadiakos
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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:09 | 4534998 Ifigenia
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no release, dont you see that US is near a big war? who knows, perhaps the dragon is making a dirty trick as an excuse to  adquire our secrets to help the bear and more importantly to safeguard their investment of billions in Ukieland..

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:22 | 4534782 Dollarmedes
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Scenario 6: Shot down by overzealous Chinese navy.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:30 | 4534823 Levadiakos
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A  most credible outcome except that they wern't apparently in Chinese airspace.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:33 | 4534837 XitSam
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All South-East Asia is Chicom airspace, duh.  But it would produce debris field and that has not been found.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:15 | 4535328 Levadiakos
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False. Utterly false. The only entity with universal airspace in that area of SE asia is Santa Claus.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:50 | 4535694 TwoCats
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That wouldn't stop the US...  Or France...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:45 | 4535677 Cacete de Ouro
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Scenario X: Maybe the flight never took off...and it was made to look like it did

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:26 | 4534793 Seize Mars
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The American media is shocked to find that the world is full of people, some of whom are *gasp* Iranian.
Morons

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:31 | 4534830 Infinite QE
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Post of the day.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:28 | 4534799 observer007
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News from MH370 crash

shot down?

Six facts about fake passports

Latest News:

MH370 tersee.com

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:26 | 4534802 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Enterprise had nothing to do with this.  Probably the work of those damn Klingons.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:34 | 4534841 Levadiakos
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I have the video of Obama atteneding the StarTrek convention dressed as that guy with the big lumpy forehead:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPqVV-Ujh8k

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:42 | 4534886 A Lunatic
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No need to drag Moochelle into all of this......

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:16 | 4535344 Levadiakos
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Also known as sasquatch

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:27 | 4534806 youngman
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I think we just saved Germany and England a bunch of welfare money on the two moochers that were coming to live there

..but back to the facts....this is very strange so far...no sign of anything yet...very strange...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:14 | 4535020 robertocarlos
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That was my first thought but then again maybe they would write a book and become billionaires. They were smart enough to figure the flaws in the system. I think they would somehow become rich Iranians. Or at least take the night-shift at a store.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:27 | 4534808 Tinky
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After careful consideration, I've arrived at the conlusion that I would prefer not to be one of the other two young men in the photo.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:28 | 4534813 Smuckers
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"Where is my iPhone" app could solve this. 
I'm amazed in this day and age there isn't SOMETHING that's GPS enabled, (by passengers or airline), for tracking down a fucking Boeing 777.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:50 | 4534923 Confused
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Right. But I can get Wifi on flights. So at least we have that going for us. 

:-D 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:29 | 4534816 A Lunatic
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The jetliner was simply spontaneously rehypothecated. See, no worries..........

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:28 | 4534817 Father Lucifer
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There is no plane.

and the S&P cash just broke below 1870, look-out below.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:30 | 4534825 Confused
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22,000 miles out in space huh? Wow. A bit frightening. But if it is known they (satellites) are there to detect 'ballistic missles' then there should be no fear of release information it might have. Right? I mean, thats the purpose. To have visibility into these types of things. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:56 | 4535720 TwoCats
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22,000 miles out in space huh? Wow. A bit frightening. 

Only if you aren't familiar with the concept of geo-synchronous orbit.  The classified bit is how much resolution they have and could they track an airliner, which is roughly the same size as an ICBM.  If I was in charge of the program for such satellites, I wouldn't let anyone know that I had seen the event, but I would try to find some indirect way to guide the search such that it didn't expose the source of the info.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:32 | 4534835 Notsobadwlad
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Wasn't it reported this morning that military radar showed the plane on radar maintaining a lower altitude for an extended period of time after the transponder was disabled? I seem to remember saying that they followed the radar signature at least back to the Straits.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:35 | 4534847 shanearthur
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Why have black boxes if you can't locate them?

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 17:03 | 4535735 TwoCats
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The vast majority of the time the black boxes are located, even if it requires considerable time and expense.  They aren't made easier to find than they already are because we don't know a way to do so such that the airlines wouldn't balk at the cost.

The real question is why don't modern jets have a real-time comm link to a satellite so they can transmit GPS coordinates.  The whole "live black box" idea seems like it should no longer be cost-prohibitive in 2014.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:38 | 4534857 Dr. Engali
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What no missile scenario? WTF? These people are full of shit. They know exactly what happened to the plane.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:38 | 4534866 chistletoe
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It is simply unthinkable that a jetliner manufactured by The Boeing Company minght, just possibly, have a mechanical breakdown ... only in your dreamliners would such a thing ever happen ....

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:54 | 4535226 Oh regional Indian
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Very well done...:-)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:43 | 4534890 Yen Cross
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    The  " Philadelphia Experiment" continues...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:44 | 4534893 Son of Captain Nemo
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Well you know these two guys are either not guilty of anything and being "used" or are Iranians living in McLean Virginia who were set up. 

Yes unfortuately there are plenty of Iranians living in the U.S. who don't mind what the U.S. does abroad and like most Americans don't really care when it's not their neighborhood being shit on!

 

Another Shanksville Pennsylvania in the making 9/11 Redux moment!

As for CNN fine work as always.  Job "well done"!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:47 | 4534905 EvlTheCat
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Yea, right, ok, it was a matter of hours when we knew that the bombing of the Boston Marathon was done by home grown terrorists, and we were chasing them all over Mass-a-two-shits, pissing on the sheep’s fourth amendment rights, but no way can two guys with fake passports blow up the plane...  So they were spies working for who, again?

Fuck CNN!  Clown News Nincompoops

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:48 | 4534909 robertocarlos
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Good news that they weren't responsible for the plane crash. They were just doing what they had to do to get to Europe. The 19 year old's mother was already in Germany.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:52 | 4534928 angryBuddhist
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Meanwhile back in DC, the State Department is working overtime trying to figure out how to spin this into a red flag event so we can start another war . . .

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:15 | 4535033 Ifigenia
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first thing first, which country has more gold and vulnerable.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 13:57 | 4534950 Uncle Remus
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The plane was stolen and is in a chop shop.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:01 | 4534968 BigRedRider
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Fear not.  The plane has secreted itself to the chronosynclastic infundibulum. 

 

Narthu has spoken.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:04 | 4534984 Rising Sun
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No debris?  Really?  Either that was one heck of an onboard explosion or someone is lying.

 

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:04 | 4534985 NoTTD
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Sure, two Iranian Muslims traveling on stolen passports should be given every benefit of the doubt.  It's really unfair to even mention them.  Let's look into how many radical Lutherans were on the plane.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:12 | 4535015 FeralSerf
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Better yet, let's look at how many radical Zionists there were that WEREN'T on the plane.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:20 | 4535063 Ifigenia
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well due to historical facts (Iran Air Flight 655, happy trigger), specially about false flag (Maine), and more specifically in an area near Tonquin, i think it would be wise to begin interrogation with the Us navy boys, sub-boys include.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:08 | 4535000 smacker
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Under option 3., if it had been blown up by a bomb or even a missile, there would likely be floating debris.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:17 | 4535047 darkpool2
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Probably there is.......but " deflection" is at work here......you wont find it if you are being " told" to look in the wrong areas ! ( maybe " they" just need another 24 hours to get the pieces into the " right" places.....lets.just wait and see !!!)! Sarc/

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:06 | 4535287 NotApplicable
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You mean like when they had searchers looking in the ocean for Ron Brown's plane, when it had really crashed into a mountain?

Surely people wouldn't do that!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:39 | 4535386 g'kar
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Not if the Navy used their diabolical death ray.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:08 | 4535001 Mineral-Invest
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=mftDwltFGC4

 

IRANIAN SCIENTISTS PERFORMING TIME TRAVEL?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:13 | 4535023 gregga777
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I was a Design Build Team / Integrated Product Team (DBT / IPT) leader on the 767-X / 777 design program in the early-to-mid 1990's, in flight electronic systems / flight systems integration. I'm now retired and not speaking in any way for Boeing or revealing any sensitive information.

That said, given the robust structure and deep redundancy designed into the 777, t's very, very puzzling that this aircraft could be there one moment and gone the next.

The news media almost always creates confusion about radar, especially for overwater flights. The aircraft's heading, altitude, etc., reported as being from radar is most probably the aircraft's self-reported information, transmitted on its radar activated transponder. I highly doubt that the radar determined that information on its own.

If that's the case, the aircraft didn't disappear from radar as determined from the radar's gated pulse reflections and calculated flight track data. If the aircraft transponder stopped transmitting flight track it was likely either dropped from the radar display or possibly remained as an unknown aircraft not reporting via transponders.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:42 | 4535156 Cthonic
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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:44 | 4535165 SilverIsKing
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Please stop with the facts.  We are dealing in theory only today.  Thank you.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:08 | 4535296 gregga777
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You meant to say, "Don't confuse me with the facts?"

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:44 | 4535166 Canucklehead
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It looks like we will need a effort like this http://www.twa800.com/ to get to the bottom of what actually happened.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:27 | 4535094 sschu
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Based upon the facts we have been provided we can guess what happened to flight 370.  As the facts change, so can the results. 

The ATC people lost contact with the plane near the gulf of Thailand.  They use a transponder, so if the plane’s systems fail, it is no longer on their “radar” 

Reports are that the plane turned and headed back toward Kuala Lampur.

The P3 Orion was dispatched to look for the wreckage in the straits of Malacca.

Malaysian military reported radar sightings of the plane in the straits of Malacca.

There have been no signs of wreckage anywhere

Cell phones have been “connecting” indicating they are still functioning somewhere

Based upon this info, if taken at face value, the plane’s electronic systems stopped working while in the gulf of Thailand.  The plane reversed course and headed south/southwest.  It was “seen” by military radar later that same night in the straits of Malacca.

Therefore, the search for plane is off by 180 degrees and thousands of miles. 

It seems for some reason officials have information (mainly military) that they are not releasing to the public.  This likely means they do not really know where the plane is at this time or some funny business is being dealt with. 

Somebody has some splainin’ to do.           

sschu

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:37 | 4535130 El Hosel
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The authorities prolly needed a little more time to "adjust" their investment strategy to the outcome of this incident.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:39 | 4535144 flacorps
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This has become reminiscent of the flight downed by hijackers in the Comoros Islands some years back.

The news coming out that the plane headed for the Malacca Strait should put the concerned reader on alert because that area is pirate central.

Since the cell phones kept working, we can also conclude that one or more governments knows where those cell phones have alighted.

They apparently have become separated from their owners, likely coercively.

The Malaysians are saying they're not telling all they know. To me that means what they're holding back is at the behest of mass kidnappers.

There is likely an Entebbe (or Beslan) in the offing, depending on the competence of the authorities and the determination and planning of some would-be Blofeld.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:58 | 4535239 sschu
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Yours is a believable scenario.  Right now it would seem the plane made a “safe” landing somewhere and the passengers/crew are now away from the plane. 

If so, the special forces guys are in route or already there to take care of business. 

The interesting question is how the plane’s outbound communications systems were disabled so quickly/easily. 

My guess is they cannot let air piracy become common place, if your scenario is true, then serious mayhem will/has transpire(d).

sschu

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 12:41 | 4539257 flacorps
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So much for that speculation. Now that we have an oil rig worker who saw the thing burn at altitude, we've got to think terrorism, missile or perhaps that wing wasn't quite as fixed as everyone thought. The black boxes and the wreckage will tell the story.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 17:46 | 4535864 sschu
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This is getting bizzare.

A senior Malaysia air force official Tuesday rejected media reports that military radar had picked up signals from the jet over the Strait of Malacca. The official said the plane dropped off radar midway between Vietnamese and Malaysian airspace as it was apparently turning back from its original course.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304020104579432424107880530?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304020104579432424107880530.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:51 | 4535214 Iam Yue2
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Fact: Before it disappeared, radar data indicated the plane may have turned around to head back to Kuala Lumpur. Is that a clue that a hijacker had ordered the plane to change course?

From a Zerohedgian world view perspective; of course.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 14:59 | 4535242 Zymurguy
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The media is stating these two poor souls were merely seeking asylum.  I don't think so.  We must apply Occums Razor here... two muuujhes from Iran go to Malaysia then acquire stolen passports to board a plane.  No terrorist links they say?  I say bullshit.  These paradise seekers eithet took the plane down or they turned it around in an attempt to run it into something (my guess is the twin towers there) and they ended up burying it in some jungle.  It's gone, everyone is dead and only the two stooges are happy now that they are in paradise with all their stinky burkah wearing fat hairy virgins.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:16 | 4535340 NotApplicable
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Okay, now that you've done that, I'll apply Occam's Razor.

First, you don't seem to know the difference between Sunni and Shia on the subject of suicide bombing.

Second, there's NOTHING new OR unusual about people taking roundabout methods to gain entry to other countries.

So, appying Occam's Razor... well, you're kinda left with nothing.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:03 | 4535265 gregga777
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The case of an air-to-air attack by another aircraft is possible but most probably not very likely. There are limitations in air-to-air missiles. The 777 has too many possible radio channels for a fighter, without an AWACS escort to monitor the 777 radio systems, to prevent / punish forbidden radio voice or data transmissions. There were probably enough possible receiving stations in the area where it disappeared to have received an attempted emergency or distress transmission. The US is the sole power capable of operating fighter/attack jets including ones equipped with refueling pods and/or AWACS-type aircraft at sea far from land bases. Is CNN implying that a US fighter/attack jet fired the kill shot(s)?

Air-to-air missiles typically use a proximity fuze that detonates the small warhead based on a combination of range, relative target bearing vs. missile track, and/or others. Excluding very expensive advanced US, Russian and NATO missiles, the majority of AAM's have very limited target azimuth capability because the seeker can't 'see' the target (I.e., the seeker has severe tunnel vision) nor make very large course corrections (e.g., make a '180' course change, if fired head-on, and then overtake the target), to name several possible limitations.

The 777 is a huge aircraft, requiring massive structural members and systems redundancy compared to the intended target of an air-to-air missile: a fighter- or fighter-bomber-jet aircraft. A lucky hit by a single typical air-to-air missile probably could not quickly cause sufficient catastrophic aircraft destruction to prevent distress signals.

The air-to-air attack scenario seems to be a very low probability.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:03 | 4535268 besnook
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false flagging a false flag? a plane goes down enroute to china revealing the existence of 2 fake passengers holding iranian passprts. why? iranian passports are convenient if iranians are the target bad guy. but who has been stealing passports? who has been caught on a regular basis these past fews years with stolen passports? while engaged in nefarious activity? why china? why malaysia? muslims!!!! evil muslims!!!!! with evil muslims in iran!!!!!!! gosh, who would want that sort of thing to happen, besides evil muslims? what happened? why was the op interrrupted? was it interrupted on purpose? why so dramatic? did this really happen? was this a thwarted black false flag or was a false flag with a sinister veiled background floated for effect?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:09 | 4535300 starman
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wasn't David Copperfield on that plane?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:15 | 4535329 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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They don't look very Italian or Austrian and sure as hell don't look like they would have names like Luigi or Christian so how the fuck did someone not at least ask them some questions to determine if they were Italian and Austrian regardless of whether they checked the passports first through the Interpol database?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:28 | 4535383 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

On Mar 10th 2014 Vietnam's Search and Rescue Control Center confirmed receiving the report by Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center stating that a Hong Kong based airliner reported a large field of debris while enroute on airway L642. A Thai cargo ship in the area was asked for assistance and has set course to the area but did not find anything unusual so far. A second vessel asked for assistance did find some debris. Following this finding Vietnam's Maritime Search and Rescue Services (MRCC) dispatched a ship to the debris field.

On Mar 10th 2014 Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department confirmed a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur spotted large amount of debris while enroute off the coast of South East Vietnam.

Vietnam's Search and Rescue Center later announced that the border guard vessel arriving at the position of the debris field did not find any objects. There were high winds and large waves, the debris possibly drifted away.

 

Currently

On Mar 11th 2014 Malaysia's Air Force reported their primary radar data suggest, the aircraft may have turned west over the Gulf of Thailand at about 1000 meters/3000 feet below the original flight level (editorial note: another possible interpretation could be: at 1000 meters of height compared to 10000 meters original level) and flown past the east coast near Khota Baru and the west coast of Malaysia near Kedah, the radar return was last seen at 02:40L near Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca, about 285nm westsouthwest of the last known (secondary) radar position. Local Police at Khota Bharu confirmed a number of locals reported lights and a low flying aircraft at Khota Bharu at an estimated height of 1000 meters/3000 feet.

In the evening of Mar 11th 2014 Vietnam's Search and Rescue Center reported they were expanding their search areas both to the east and west including the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand. Two Chinese search planes in addition to the Vietnamese ships and aircraft have been operating over Vietnamese waters, so far there has not been any finding. The oil slicks and debris found in the Gulf of Thailand south of Tho Chau Island proved unrelated to MH-370, the field of debris of Mar 10th was determined false alert too.

According to The Aviation Herald's radar data the aircraft was last regularly seen at 17:22Z (01:22L) at position N6.9 E103.6 about half way between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) at FL350 over the Gulf of Thailand about 260nm northnortheast of Kuala Lumpur and 90nm northeast of Kota Bharu 40 minutes into the flight, followed by anomalies in the radar data of the aircraft over the next minute (the anomalies may be related to the aircraft but could also be caused by the aircraft leaving the range of the receiver).

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:39 | 4535396 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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2 more tidbits.

On Mar 8th 2014 aviation sources in China reported that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established.

 

On Mar 11th 2014 the airline reported that the aircraft had accumulated 53,465 flight hours in 7,525 flight cycles since its delivery to Malaysia Airlines in 2002. The aircraft has last undergone maintenance on Feb 23rd 2014. All Malaysia Airlines aircraft are equipped with ACARS transmitting monitoring data automatically. However, no distress call and no information was relayed. The search area has been extended and includes the Strait of Malacca west of Malaysia looking at the possibility that the aircraft may have turned back and diverted to Subang (Malaysia).

 

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The more I read more I am leaning towards the plane being EMP'd. Would explain why it went completely dark but the cell phones still worked afterwards if they set it down in the water somewhere since the cellphones would have been off in the first place when the plane was EMP'd and the electronics shouldn't have gotten fried. It is not like this technology doesn't and isn't already in orbit now....

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:47 | 4535686 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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To take the EMP thought a little further. If everything went dark includng the ACARS all at once presumes a catastrophic failure if not deliberate attack on the electronics. I don't believe there is any precedent for total failure like this without an explosion but the phones still work? With that said it can only then be 3 possibilities, satelitte, plane or EMP bomb planted on the plane itself since there is no way someone could get something like that onto the plane without inside help. It would have had to have been a piece of cargo not luggage and with that said there is only and handful of nation states that could make something like that in the first place.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 15:30 | 4535387 monad
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I don't think Obama has a valid passport...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 16:31 | 4535631 ChargingHandle
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There are literally thousands of pieces on the airplane that burn or float. There's got to be smoke , a slick, or floating debris for all of this to make sense. Something is off here.

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