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Russia Warns US Against "Illegal" Ukraine Bailout; Ukraine Commences Live-Fire "Drill" With Tanks
The tit-for-tat sabre-rattling and rhetoric continues to build ahead of this weekend's planned referendum in Ukraine's Crimea region. This morning has seen 3 new threads beginning with Ukraine's "live-fire" exercises involving T-64B tanks. This was then followed by warnings from Russia of "consequences" of "unconditionally indulging radical elements" in Ukraine calling US financial aid "illegal" which was swiftly responded to by the State Department exclaiming it "unacceptable" that Russian forces take matters into their own hands and "do not create the right environment for diplomacy." Not positive...
Ukraine did its own sabre-rattling:
- *T-64B TANKS INVOLVED IN EXERCISE, LIVE-FIRE TRAINING: MINISTRY
The Russians are not happy
Russia says planned US financial aid to Ukraine is illegal
Russia's Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday that planned U.S. financial aid to Ukraine is illegal and outside American legal norms since it would be funding an illegitimate regime.
"By all criteria, issuing funding to an illegitimate regime that seized power by force is unlawful and goes beyond the framework of the American legal system," the ministry said in a statement.
The statement echoed assertions made earlier in the day by ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich. The ministry also warned Washington about the consequences of "unconditionally indulging radical elements" in Ukraine.
And Kerry has his own perspective:
U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT SAYS RUSSIAN RESPONSES TO U.S. QUESTIONS ON UKRAINE DO NOT CREATE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT FOR DIPLOMACY
Kerry told Lavrov it is unacceptable that Russian forces and irregulars continue to take matters into their own hands in Ukraine
Of course, this remains a constant distraction from the fact that Russian boots are on the ground in Crimea and the US (and the West) are stuck with how to "off-ramp" the escalating Russian threats without sanctions that would blow-back on to their own economies.
And then Merkel chipped in...
- *MERKEL SAYS RUSSIA IS ANNEXING CRIMEA, PARTY OFFICIAL SAYS
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Kerry should ask Putin if a third option could be put on the ballot - "Become USA's 51st State"...
or even better perhaps,
dual citizens .....
USA or Russia
trial citizenship US Russia and Israel
Well I think it would be the 58th State now at this point..at least according to President O..prompter in chief.
I think Ioannes Kerry is not so egocentric and, certainly, with his openmindness, global vision and diplomatic skill, he would consider a four option: USA become part of Crimea*. Unfortunately, msm just ommited it, because the chosen people would lose a lot
* a screw diplomatic as he is applying the ethernal principal of the chosen ones "When its clear that one side is going to win, join them"
Move them all to MoTown!
Putin does not rattle his saber more than once unlike the EU & The West he simply warns and if the hypocrisy continues by the West/EU empire he then acts. At least Merkel is not using the term invade and using softer language like Annex. And eventually once Russia entrenches Kiev will be next and I could care less...that is their business we have enough to concern ourselves with at home let alone lining up the next row of U.S. soldiers to come home in a black bag.
Kerry objects to Putin talking in Russian and not French. Kerry speaks French you know. Oh, did I mention he speaks French?
I didn't know Kerry speaks French. That may explain why he also speaks a lot of bollix.
Dear US and EU,
STOP FUCKING AROUND WITH WW3 BY MOLESTING THE RUSSIANS IN THEIR OWN BACK YARD YOU ASSHOLES.
The only question remaining in this crisis is the relative insanity of Obama, Kerry, and the puppeteers who pull their strings. Modestly insane and they might back down and we all live. Completely totally fucking insane as appears to be the case and I'll see you all on the other side.
Doesnt your font dial go up to 11? Russia killed 100 million in the last century so why would we want to suffer that foolishness gladly again.
does Barracus, leading from behind, knows this facts? Putin and russians never blinks when they have reason.
fijisailor,
Well said and certainly to the point, no elaboration needed or required....
So now the Russian Foreign Ministry is expert on "American legal norms" and the "framework of the American legal system"? Let's not let our arrogance get the better of us. Surely there can be no dispute that one is not required to be a legitimate government of a country to receive aid from the government of the United States. And I would hope, before making such statements, someone at the Russian Foreign Ministry would have read the U.S. Constitution. It's a short document, and nowhere does it say that Congress may not legislate aid to anybody who is not a legitimate government of a country. So, I think they're wrong about "American legal norms" and the "framework of the American legal system". But what do I know? I'm not in the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Trust me...Russia has studied the document and respect it more than those US who are supposed to represent the people.
Understand Russian Federation is only 20 plus years and many old laws are bad, but in reform and new process...with caution.
Fortunately, Russia can see how US goes wrong and learn from that.
Well, interpretations of the U.S. Constitution on the part of the Russian Foreign Ministry are not likely to be cited in any American law review journals.
If you allow the right of the U.S. to do what they want, then be prepared for the fact that Russia, too, will do what they want. Otherwise in the US ass will Russian Poplar Forest.
Let's not let my pedantic manner get the better of me, but after reading your point, hindered too much of professional tick of a lawer, too much condescending but hide behind " But what do I know? I'm not in the Russian Foreign Ministry" a not so modest of modesty, i would only say msm has turned the people too hubris to have a conscience of his own limit.
The Ukraiine situation will no more go "hot" than Syria did. The West may have a weapons stockpile, but those with a truly vested interest in US hegemony have by far the most to lose if the West's financial system comes apart -- which it would most definitely do in a heartbeat if things were to truly spin out of control. It will all play out just like Syria; only the scale of rebuff and defeat for the US government will be greater, and ending in the last gasp of the petrodollar.
I'm quite certain everything looks very different outside of the the continental US. We, here are living inside a huge propaganda bubble in this country. So don't get suckered again, for.... how many times would that make now? America is far more toothless now than the average American can guess at this point, and the power elite is just hanging on by their collective fingernails with nothing more than bluster.
you are probably right. russia will have crimea and end of story. west can throw a hissy fit but that's about it. only threat to military escalation is the right wing nuts who will probably try to permeate into crimea to create some kind of conflict just before the referendum but russia is working hard to consolidate borders by taking over the border guard. there might be a chance that crimean tatars, who have been planted there over the years with turkish money, can have a say but only time will tell.
i personally wouldn't consider any referendum legit when you have (foreign) military rolling the streets but that's another story. it's a done deal anyways, just look at the population statistics.
"i personally wouldn't consider any referendum legit when you have (foreign) military rolling the streets but that's another story."
I agree in theory, but unfortunately Iraq, Afghanistan, back to Japan and with all others countries in the middle, point the contrary in practice by USA. I go even further US military bases in other countries could hinder the process of democracy of the host country, because the sovereign country could not chose a government hostil to USA, v.g., with and agenda to close the bases.
Your last line. The "v.g." should be "e.g." ergo gratia, therefore give. Translated in English as for example.
What I want to know, would it be better with i.e. id est, translated as that is?
Some scholar you turned out to be.
Verbi gratia in abreviation is v.gr., but due to my laziness, i write v.b. is a lapsus calami
"By all criteria, issuing funding to an illegitimate regime that seized power by force is unlawful and goes beyond the framework of the American legal system," the ministry said in a statement.
Yeah, but...
See, the flaw in that statement is...
Um...
...
I'm not convinced it's an "illegitimate regime that seized power by force."
Just what would it take to convince you?
T64 tank? Which museum did they steal that from? We all know this stuff is BS and it's only a matter of time before we see if they use some BS excuse like, " an antique tank firing a gun," to start a war. I feel bad for all of the innocent people caught up in this.
Ignorant post....Actually, Russia used a few older than T64 successfully 08/08/08 after Georgia attacked South Ossetians.
I am now told about 6 T55 and 30 T62 were active.
We gotta stop the Russkies or before you know it they'll steal California from the Mexcans... and on to taking Miami from the South Americans....
McNamara's 'Domono Theory'... the Red Threat... all over again!
Holy Mary!
U.S. giving money and now this;
Notorious U.S. mercenaries Blackwater deployed to Ukraine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Uk...
Ukraine crisis: No wonder Vladimir Putin says Crimea is Russian
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ukraine-crisis-no-wonder-vladimir-putin-says-crimea-is-russian-9162734.html
Rodric Braithwaite "Afgantsy" read it...
A sensible and unusually objective article as for a Western newspaper such as The Independent. However, Poland should be excluded from FR-DE-PL 'troika', as it is hardly an impartial negotiator in this particular case, and replaced with a neutral country like Austria or Switzerland. Poles are generally disliked if not hated by western Ukrainians, just like Russians.
Poland has no of its own voice in world. Voice of Poland - is the voice of U.S. lackey.
why not China or India, the big boys? ah, is an european affair! so why USA? ah, is one of the guarantor of Ukraniane sovereinty! But when Nulland go to Maidan square to support the rioters and in a phone call when she pointed the members of the Junta,excluding the boxer, didnt USA forfeit the Agreement signed?
I - Ukrainian. I would like to explain to you what is happening. This is not a conflict between the Russian and Ukrainians . It is a conflict between the western and eastern Ukrainians Ukrainians.
- United States support the Western Ukrainians.
- Russia support Eastern Ukrainians.
Centre of Ukraine, including Kiev, always was mixed, but with a predominant influence of eastern Ukrainians. Now, with the support of U.S., western Ukrainians captured center of Ukraine including Kiev.
You should know that the western and eastern Ukrainians - they are completely different people. They have different languages, different mentality, different cultural traditions and different religions.
- Western Ukraine - a former land of Poland and Poles live there , which we now refer to as " western Ukrainians."
Stalin cut off from the land of Poland and annexed by force to the Soviet Ukraine, together with the population.
- East, south of Ukraine and Crimea - a former Russian land and live there, Russian , which we now refer to as "eastern Ukrainians ."
Lenin and Khrushchev power cut off from the land of Russia and joined the Soviet Ukraine, together with the population .
Approval of Western propaganda that in Ukraine 83% of the population use the Ukrainian language, it is a lie and the top of Western hypocrisy.
Ukraine, Russian language as their mother tongue today use more than 60 % of the population.
In addition, between the western and eastern Ukrainians, has always been hostility and contempt. Ukraine - is an artificial entity which communists created by force.
- Poles in western Ukraine, infamous Russian east and pull Ukraine into the EU and Poland.
- Russian eastern Ukraine, Poles despise the West and pull Ukraine into the Customs Union and Russia.
This model of state, which was created by the Communists via mixed different nations by force, doomed to collapse.
I think that the true purpose of the United States - is to create a civil war between the western and eastern Ukrainians.
Good post..
yes every family I know of in Kiev and area speak Russian main and especially in business Russian is used.
It is Lyiv Lvov and other western is poles, that cannot really be called Ukrainian blood (if there is such can be defined)
And many of the trouble are not even Ukrainian citizens.
The dna is not same. Brains and emotions not same. Russians up through Volga and Kazaks suffererd same depredations under Stalin the Georgian and commissars. Soviet was never a Russian construct. From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control.
It has nothing to do with DNA
Eastern Ukraine was ethnically cleansed by Russia with the genocide of 10 million in 1933. Thankfully, western Ukraine was under the control of Poland at that time and guess what, undead Ukrainians speak Ukrainian. The Russians brought into Eastern Ukraine to replace dead Ukrainians...wait for it... speak Russian.
On top of this, Russian controlled Ukraine outlawed the use of Ukrainian but the bottom line 80 years later is that these 4th generation Ukrainians in the east have zero interest in being ruled by Putin.
not so fast, Kiev and the region nearby is the berth of Russia centuries ago, even before Ivan the Terrible. And the political cleansing was made by Staline, a Georgian, and the red comissars, majority of them jews, so the profound hatred of jews is embede in Ukranians. to say that russia did the etnic cleansing is nonsense, because the russians were also purged by the commies.
"Eastern Ukraine was ethnically cleansed by Russia with the genocide of 10 million in 1933. "
No need to repeat the lies of Western propaganda.
South and East Ukraine - is a former Russian land, where in the times of Stalin, lived for more than 70% Russians. That there was a famine from which people died. But among those who died from hunger, 70% - it was the Russian people, but not Ukrainians. Because Stalin never struggled with the Ukrainians. Stalin fought with the class of prosperous peasants. He destroyed this class of the population, regardless of nationality or place of residence. Therefore, the famine was not only in Ukraine (in the former Russian territories with of the Russian population), but in the Russian Volga too.
Myth that Stalin destroyed Ukrainians was needs the West for to share two close relatives population and then conquer them.
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Fraud, Famine and Fascism - The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf
Trosky was a jew
Well, according to Ukrainian news site (rbc.ua), the presidential election in Ukraine could be postponed or cancelled altogether.
Well, according to Ukrainian news site (rbc.ua), the presidential election in Ukraine could be postponed or cancelled altogether.
Translation: Will go any length to prevent Ukrainians from vote...
i think the reason for postponing presidential elections is that Julia Timoshenko (leader of moderate party ) is not ready for May 25th (either bad health or not enough popularity among ukranians)
Meanwhile as economic situation deteriorates the radicals will inevitable compromize themselves and will have less chances to win elections later on
History repeat itself. If someone could break the thick cloud of propaganda and study the Vietnam War part 2 (Vietnam versus USA), v.g., seeing the report made by the insuspect Franco of Spain about it or try a more objective source for the Korean War we would see something similar. US stop the pleibiscites of the people of Korea and Vietnam to decide for their future, when they were not sure to win.
Only the 1% for their own interests woul like to confuse the things to con the 99sheeps.
http://pics.top.rbc.ru/top_pics/uniora/52/1394539058_0952.455x608.jpeg
And that's just what more and more of the world is thinking of the USA nowadays.
Angela just dont want her country destroy in a nuclear war because of USA interests to maintain the hegemon status
Well if there are no Russian troops (according to Putin) in Crimea and there are only the local defence units there
perhaps the Ukrainian army will go into Crimea to get back 'law and order' ? No Russian soldiers, no war.
Perhaps before the ides of March, the ides of March, beware,beware the ides of March, (Julius Caeser).
In regards to the voting paper for the 16th of March referfuckingrectum, you have two boxes (Choices).
1. Do you want to join the Russian federation straightaway ?
2. Do you want to join the Russian federation at a later date ?
It makes ne laugh except this situation is not laughable.
go away then...
So what do you think of the voting choices on the ballot paper Volko or do they not have choice where you are from ?
Now let me think, do I take Putin or Putin ?
No problem for two terms thats legal but not for three terms.... ah wait we can change the rules.
Get back to your vodka Volko.
either ingenious or insincere.
In politics, nothing is pauted by ethics, you know i know, so nothing new under the Sun. v.g., Bush jr. invade Iraq illegaly and was relected, no problema. cassettes confirm by CIA the genuity of Bin, Bin Laden, authored which till the votes for Jr. Didnt it merit an inquiry to probe Bush jr. ethics? In real politik everythings go so no problema. Another example. How do you think that a President should be suceded by his wife? President father by President son two mandates afterwards. Is this normal? There is no more talent in 300 millions peoples? or is an oligarchy desease that infests the country. For me is normal that the elites families dominate and share between themselves the power, since romans time. So, what is the problem with Putin? He is just power hungry like Hillary or Jeff, nothing more nothing less. The real problem here is the geo-political chess between Putin and Obama.
To best of my understanding the actual choices don't read exactly like you seem to think.
becareful.. us media is not reporting anything but Russia is always wrong...
Russia is more free in many ways..example 13% Flat Tax only
Russia incomes are over three times Ukraine because good management and kick criminal oligarchs.
Putin administration is far more popular than any US/western Leader/Politician..
Only twenty plus years after collapse much greater than US depression of 1930's, Russians are better off than ever..
Better worry about your country...
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The ballot paper says now or later and not yes or no to the russian fed.
All media has a slant from BBC to Al Jaziera to Russia Today. Ukraine has lots of corruption, rich
oligarchs and bandits. Credit for Putin, he is taking thier power away. When you have a Kremlin puppet like Yanukovich
(still speaking for Putin) maintaining banditism, corruption and power to the oligarchs you wonder why. Well simple to ensure
Ukraine is so fucked up as not to cause putin any problems and to ensure the natural resources of Ukraine remain in TPTB
Im happy that Russians are better off than ever but they wont be by next week. I expect Obama to finally finish the 18th
by Thursday and start mobilising troops into Europe. I do worry about my country, I hope you worry about yours.
And this government accuses them of homophobia while their people accuse the West of paedophilia. That says something about how backwards this peace is war world is.
Oh wait, it's Russia that's backwards according to every newspaper ever, it must be true. Actually ran into a few people that believed the satire news story that Putin had the guy who messed up the fifth Olympic ring at the opening ceremony killed. Why not? Never trust a Misha (bear).
I'm 100% supportive of Russia's fight against the androdgynous world promoted by the deviants in the West. I wish more people in the US stood up against such abnormal things.
i just hope that USA could learn something from Russia. Throw out the moneymen. NY for wall street. DC for politics. Lobbies errand boys between, no direct buying of politicians. Is ugly, is just like the old slave trading. And give something to the sheeps, for example, letting us the right to sell our vote to the highest bidder. and msm have to pay to us to have a right to acess our attention to be manipulate to act in favour of their boss. everything would get more balance..
every paper no, just those controlled by Wall street.
If you spend a referendum in the Crimea with one question: Do you want to send America and the EU on the dick?
You will get 80% "YES!".
"Blaming their ousted predecessors for the weakness of their own armed forces, acting ministers told parliament Ukraine had as few as 6,000 combat-ready infantry and that the air force was outnumbered nearly 100 to 1 by Moscow's superpower forces."
but the Junta members were not rich merchants jews. Where did they get their money? rise early, work hard, strike oil?
LOL ... T-64 tanks... How did that work out for Saddam in Gulf War 1?
Pump up, Nikolai, you're the hand loader, today.
And doesn't poor Nikolai also have to be left-handed???
Russia launches paratroop exercise east of Ukraine. Moscow tycoons move assets from West to Far East...
http://www.debka.com/article/23748/Russia-launches-paratroop-exercise-ea...
Its going to go off !
But is Putin a revanchist for his moved into Crimea? Or is this "irredenta" (unredeemed). Hitler claimed the annexation of Sudetenland was legitimate because it was unredeemed and he was probable right. So, what happens if a plebiscite is held in the Hungarian portion of Romania and the outcome is to rejoin Hungary? The break-up of the former Yugoslavia has similar "irredenta". The map in this part of Europe does not have its political boundaries yet finalized. Putin probably has nightmares about the re-establishment of the former East Prussia. Too many multi-national states and way to many multi-state nations.
The Huns should be reunited! That was only done to weaken Germany and German allies. It is a travesty.
One million German soldiers died defending Konigsburg. The women and children got out and got to Dresden just in time to be firebombed.
Damn right East Prussia should be liberated.
About time Austria got South Tirol back, too.
Not to mention, the Flemish should get to divorce those Walloon buffoons.
Someone or someones really want a war... and all of you know very well that "they" are willing to go to any extent to get it. There is enough flash powder in the region to start just that... Some poor idiot will be "advised" to step on their dick and - poof!
"...Cry HAVOC! and let slip the dogs of war..."
If Crimea goes, one could suppose that Texas may have a legitimate... hey what's that black helicopter doing outs
Paul Craig Roberts: PUTIN SPEAKS
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/10/putin-speaks/
no teleprompter.....
If they took that much gold just imagine how many bitcoins they liberated. USNATO must invade Gox to save the Ukrainians.
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