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Ukraine May Have To Go Nuclear, Says Kiev Lawmaker
"In the future, no matter how the situation is resolved in Crimea, we need a much stronger Ukraine," warned Pavlo Rizanenko, a member of the Ukrainian parliament, adding that "If you have nuclear weapons people don't invade you." It would seem tough for the West (and their START Treaty) to get behind a nation that, as USA Today reports, believes it may have to arm itself with nuclear weapons to enforce a security pact to reverse the Moscow-based takeover of Crimea. "We gave up nuclear weapons," (inherited from the Soviet Union) because of the 1991 agreement that The United States, Great Britain and Russia would "assure Ukraine's territorial integrity" but Rizanenko told his government today, "now there's a strong sentiment in Ukraine that we made a big mistake."
The United States, Great Britain and Russia agreed in a pact "to assure Ukraine's territorial integrity" in return for Ukraine giving up a nuclear arsenal it inherited from the Soviet Union after declaring independence in 1991, said Pavlo Rizanenko, a member of the Ukrainian parliament.
"We gave up nuclear weapons because of this agreement," said Rizanenko, a member of the Udar Party headed by Vitali Klitschko, a candidate for president. "Now there's a strong sentiment in Ukraine that we made a big mistake."
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Rizanenko and others in Ukraine say the pact it made with the United States under President Bill Clinton was supposed to prevent such Russian invasions.
The pact was made after the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991 and became Russia, leaving the newly independent nation of Ukraine as the world's third largest nuclear weapons power.
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To reassure the Ukrainians, the United States and leaders of the United Kingdom and Russia signed in 1994 the "Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances" in which the signatories promised that none of them would threaten or use force to alter the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.
They specifically pledged not to militarily occupy Ukraine. Although the pact was made binding according to international law, it said nothing that requires a nation to act against another that invades Ukraine.
The memorandum requires only that the signatories would "consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments." Ukraine gave up thousands of nuclear warheads in return for the promise.
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The U.S. and U.K. have said that the agreement remains binding and that they expect it to be treated "with utmost seriousness, and expect Russia to, as well."
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"Everyone had this sentiment that for good or bad the United States would be the world police" and make sure that international order is maintained, Rizanenko said of the Budapest pact.
"Now that function is being abandoned by President Obama and because of that Russia invaded Crimea," he said.
"In the future, no matter how the situation is resolved in Crimea, we need a much stronger Ukraine," he said. "If you have nuclear weapons people don't invade you."
It would appear this is yet another line or "cost" that Obama will have to weigh but the rhetoric doesn't get much more aggressive than that...
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LOL, this fear mongering is going full retard, this is Oligarchs playing for resources nothing more
Welcome to the new Nukraine...
They already own the 5th largest nuclear plant in the world (and the biggest of Europe, if you concider them european)
Them US/EU sponsored nut balls over there should be loving nuke stuff, what with Chernobyl being there and all.
Made a mistake? Really....do you think so?
Trust us......
"You fucked up. You trusted us."
Just ask old Muammar al-Gaddafi...oh wait, he is dead now.
Harry Reid showing the way!
If you like your nukes, you can keep your nukes. Period.
Crimea already has nukes.
Are you implying that promises out of Washington are worthless...?
Cause if you are, you are correct sir!
Kiev is know right, if you are nuclear, no one is invade. Boris is keep Cesium 137 on balcony and is never have break in.
...so Crimea river.
so they want to 're-open' chenobyl...
may be easier to rent a couple drone ships from RR to tow the tubes from fuk-u
Crimea is not river, is archipelago on inland sea! You Amerikan is geography suck!
"If you have nuclear weapons people don't invade you."
What was Iraq all about then??? Oh wait, there wasn't any nuclear weapons there. So his idiotic logic still stands. If Saddam had a nuclear bomb (and no oil) we would have never invaded. Or maybe we would have. You know, to spread destruction, oops I mean democracy.
I guess Hitler finally gets his nuclear weapons.
Yeah Nukraine, what are they going to do, Nuke their own citizens if they want to seceede. Europe won't take them with nuclear weapons, but they will still take their gold lol. Besides nukes cost a lot of money, where are they going to get that cash? Are the fascits in Nukraine going to make a preemptive strike on the Russians with nuclear weapons stationed/given to them by the USA so the USA can get Russias natural resources while not getting America involved in a nuclear war with Russia. I hope the Russians expand their doctrine to account for proxy nuclear strikes.
Ahhh Boris now I know you are the balcony across the way that GLOWS even in the daytime. I always thought it was slate tiles you your wall I guess its lead lol.
I didnt know Ukraine had its own Defense Magazine, I found it on bit torrent, here is the link, you click on the little red magnet icon to download but you must first install the torrent software client, there are different brands out there I will put a link to the one I use
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9736374/Ukrainian_Defense_Review_-_Januar...
here is the torrent software link
http://www.utorrent.com/
there are lots of cool torrent links you can search, I always go for the ebooks...
http://thepiratebay.se/browse
Be careful with downloading current movies and music, though there are ways to do that safely if you read up about it. Porn and ebooks never a problem. They also have a bunch of stuff for 3-D printing amongst tons of other little goodies. You can find tons of survival book compilation archives etc, if anyone is interested I can give you names of some of the good survival book archive names I have gotten (they include small scale survival gardening/farming and raising animals etc), just let me know
Well then let's ask Saddam..... of wait. Well how about Osama?.... nevermind.
AmeriKa is capricious ally.
let me get this straight...we can go to dc and put oblowme and the wookie on the street and than we can start making rules and than start selling shit!!!?....plus stumpy arms mccant and that transvestite from s.c. will support us...wtf are we waiting for???
Japan and Ukraine could just swap territory. Problem solved.
Welcome to the new Nukraine...
And this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmSSVt7Mfkk
"Everyone had this sentiment that for good or bad the United States would be the world police"
AMERIIIIIIIIICAAAAAAAAAA........................
America, Fuck yea, coming again to save the motherfucking day, yea.................
Chernobyl is in Ukraine and still radiating... maybe thereare some other sources...Libyans used to buy in Ukraine...
maye they can get a nuke from vietnam
I find this statement interesting on so many levels.....
So your saying that nukes could actually be used to keep a population of your "own citizens" inside the walls of an existing Country......."Prison Country" to be specific! Because Im pretty sure, what happened in Ukraine is this; a group of euro sympathizers and ultra nationalist seized the Country in a coup, prompting a ethnic panic in the "Russian" sector of the Country, which opened the door for Putin to enter by request!!! The eastern section of Ukraine was GOING TO SUCCEED with or without Russian troops, so essentially the wacko's in the West of Ukraine are saying, with nukes, we hold Russia out and the Russian Ukrainians IN!!!!
Ron Paul always said, one day the walls you think you are building to protect yourself from others, will be used to imprison you in a tyrannical society! A tyrannical Ukraine just confirmed that notion today in my mind!
Russia does not violate international agreements on safeguards the integrity and security of Ukraine.
Think about what I say, from the standpoint of international law.
1. In Kiev, was a coup d'etat. So-called "new authorities in Kiev", seized power undemocratic, unconstitutional way, by force of arms, through mass murder and deception. These people are illegitimate. Moreover, they are criminals. It does not depend on the opinions of Washington and Brussels. It depends only on the rule of law. For all the norms of law, these people are criminals .
2. Via actions of these criminals in Kiev, Ukraine as State, actually was split into two parts. One part of this is part of the captured coup, including Kiev. And the second part - this is the part where the population and local authorities have remained faithful to the Constitution of Ukraine and the legitimate, democratically elected President of Ukraine.
And now think please: which of these two parts of the country, today has the right to represent Ukraine as a legal entity?
I mean: What today is the "Ukraine", in terms of the Act:
- It's the rebels who had committed an armed coup in Kiev?
- Or is the region to remain faithful to the Constitution and laws of the state government?
Well, go further.
Russia, according to an international treaty is obliged to observe the integrity of Ukraine and its safety. State - is primarily population. In this situation, Russia not only has the right to impose its troop, but must do it.
Because the deployment of troops to maintain the integrity of Ukraine and at the request of the legitimate President and the people of Ukraine - for Russia is a duty arising out of an international treaty. Furthermore, in the current situation coup sending troops is the only way for Russia to conscientiously fulfill their obligations under the international treaty for protection Ukraine as a state and legal entity.
In addition, the legal concept of "invasion" is contrary to the introduction of troops to restore constitutional order, at the request of the legal, legitimate, democratically elected President, with the support of 80% of the population.
The Ukrainian Parliament impeached and voted to remove Yanukovich from office. This is apparently broadly consistent with the Ukrainian constitution. Was there something about that procedure that was unconstitutional?
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Good one. Better question to ask: was there anything about that procedure that was constitutional?
http://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2014/03/09/ukraine-and-twenty-fir...
I know I won't get an answer because Ukrainian Junta Citizenism citizens are duplicitous. But aren't you people never grow tired of posting cheap propaganda?
My understanding is that the Ukrainian constitution provides for removal of the president from office on successful impeachment, which involves a vote in the parliament. I don't know whether this vote was strictly according to proper procedure, however. Hence, my question.
We often hear from the western media that "Ukraine's parliament dismissed Yanukovych from power." But the parliament has no right to remove from power the President. Parliament can only declare impeachment. Impeachment was not.
At the time of the vote, it was no longer a "parliament." At the time of the vote, it was a bunch of criminal rebels and accomplices criminal rebels.
You want to see how to vote these criminals? See here:
http://cubeupload.com/im/d8Bvfn.jpg
http://cubeupload.com/im/OsmCBf.jpg
http://cubeupload.com/im/wxnm6d.jpg
This is called the rule of law and democracy, is not it?
Are you saying the people who cast votes in the parliament for removal of Yanukovich were not elected members of parliament who had the power to cast those votes? Had the parliament been dissolved by that time?
I want to say that one part of the people who were elected at the time of voting already were criminals.
A second part of the people who were elected at the ballot box were forcibly barred from voting. On their behalf, voted criminals. See photos as criminals vote on behalf of the deputies, who were not allowed into the hall polls.
I want to say that one part of the people who were elected at the time of voting already were criminals.
A second part of the people who were elected at the ballot box were forcibly barred from voting. On their behalf, voted criminals. See photos as criminals vote on behalf of the deputies, who were not allowed into the hall polls.
http://cubeupload.com/im/d8Bvfn.jpg
http://cubeupload.com/im/OsmCBf.jpg
http://cubeupload.com/im/wxnm6d.jpg
All very true, but your entire premise is based on following the rule of law, and what the sociopaths have done is obliterate the rule of law throughout the world because that is the only real check on their power. Now every decision is based on brute force... coercion either through direct military/political confrontation, or coercion through economic/financial blackmail and bribery. The world is heading for a great conflict, because TPTB are ONLY operating in conflict mode.
fear mongering is the understatement of the century. Yesterday I heard some US military official talking about how turkey and poland are next. Also, if being a nuclear power makes people not invade you, why is a certain country in the middle of the middle east with 200 nuclear warheads constantly under existential threat.
LOL!
You are prove point, if nuclear, you are not attack, threaten maybe, but not attack, certainly not to be occupation.
they ARENT under threat.. they just bitch and moan like the needy JAP yenta they are
Where have you been? It's always been about power and control other real resources, including the human kind.
Money has always been an illusion. WTF?
same as it ever was.
Didn't the USA and NATO invade Vietnam, Grenada, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yugoslavia including Kosovo, Libya, Syria and America best friend and its master is in a state of permanent wars of aggression?
How soon our Nobel Peace Prize winner will start a WWIII? Well, we are already in a state of permanent wars but our government calls them by different names.
Just wait for a few years and China will be itching to be a world policeman.
Forget nuclear weapons. Assasination politics would be much more effective. Essentially poltical leaders are assassinted and therefore no one wants to be a leader. http://youtu.be/iT5c8eklvZk
There were never any leaders to begin with. 'Rapists' might be a more appropriate term.
'Bluto! You fucked up....you trusted us!'
And Bankers!! Don't forget the Bankers!
forget even that - assasinations is so 19th century
start with bribes first
A trillion thundering typhoons. Now I've seen stupid.
The world police, they live inside of my head
The world police, they come to me in my bed
The world police, they're coming to arrest me, oh, no
GIVE'M A NUKE AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!
Lemme see if I got this:
[1] "Ukraine with nukes = Good", but "Iran with nukes = Bad"?
[2] "Israel with homeland+nukes = Double-plus Good", but "Palestinians with homeland + rockets = Double-plus Bad"
Makes perfect sense*.
* If you're a globalist Neocon asshole. IOW, if your name is Bandar, Brzezinski, Bush, Cheney, McInsane, NuttyNYahoo...
Kirk IQ < ~60
+1,000!
Yeah, "If you have nuclear weapons people don't invade you."
We should all have some tactical nukes for home defence.
The US has certainly hammered that point home into peoples heads.
let's see what they're offering on craigslist...
"Will not ship. Local pickup only." ;)
I saw a better offer:
https://hybriddiplomacy.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/pizza.jpeg
I'll take an M388 Davy Crockett please!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiM-RzPHyGs
You first need to become a globalist-Zionist to obtain and exercise your 'Sampson' option.
"If you have nuclear weapons people don't invade you."
Not true. The bankster technocrats take over. The EU banksters almost succeeded in the Ukraine but were chased back to the airport.
The Central banksters have taken over the US.
'Invasion' from within is NOT an invasion, it is a take-over ...
Bwah, how old-school is this?! Who uses nuclear warheads, when there are plenty of power-plants ready for a little "venting", if only the wind blows in the right direction ....
A neo-Nazi regime with nukes. How comforting. Something Hitler wanted, but didn't get.
Victoria Nuland and the Neo-Cons, helping finish Hitler's unfinished business. They are his spawn.
This gives Russia the right to take over the entire country, for self-defense, just as Israel and the U.S. would if faced with a hostile regime with nukes U.S. took over Iraq based on a non-existent WMD program.
you talk like the nazis lost
they didnt lose
they moved
and as a side note, did you see the FBI foia documents concerning hitler on the FBI website?
he escaped to argentina, and they knew it in 1945
I have a pro gun control Ukrainian in my office. He has been upset about all these events and I rubbed this right in his face. The only people that try to talk you out of your weapons in the first place are the ones who want to do something unpleasant to you.
Bears repeating:
"The only people that try to talk you out of your weapons in the first place are the ones who want to do something unpleasant to you."
I see some do not agree tho ...
Is that why the indices are going up again today?
DavidC
So again, the lesson here is: If you sign a treaty with the US., plan on getting the shaft.
In other words, when fraud is the status quo, possession is the law.
FYI- the same applies to individual sovereignty as well.
Go ahead, give up your weapons, the government will keep you safe....
Ah yes, depending on what era of human existence we're talking about...
Self-Determination happens with a Club, Spear, Gun, Tank or Nuke.
p.s. To protect themselves from an 'American Yanukovich', are US local militias allowed to have Tanks, APCs or Drones? Or shall we rely solely on our military, LEAs, or recognition by a Foreign Power -- the way the Ukrainians did, to "preserve law & order"?
Something about barn doors and horses comes to mind.
Haha, they thought the US is just and moral.
Was his name Kim Jong Un?
The United States, Great Britain, and Russia walk into a bar...
Punch line:
BOOOOOOOOMMMMM!
Re "An American, Brit and Russian walk into a bar..."
What's it gonna be?
a. Bourbon
b. Scotch
c. Vodka
Trick question. The correct answer is d: All of the above.
Ukraine lost. Without any engaged battles. And they just want to push the button on nukes they don't have. Russia's move was prescient to avoid another South Ossetia war. the west was prescient in removing nuclear weapons out of the hands of corrupt oligarchs.
I think that Kerry already bolted from the stable.
Ukraine has nuclear fuel and the technology to fashion nukes and nuke carrying missile systems.
Given that the treaty that lead to their relinquishing of their nukes has been totally abrogated, it would be hard to fault them if they back track and assemble bombs. Certainly, they could quickly drive a lead shielded truck with such a device into the heart of Moscow to extort a withdrawal from Crimea.
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That would put them in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. They would first need to withdraw from the treaty, like North Korea did.
Considering the sanctions which have been imposed upon Iran (despite its remaining in compliance with the treaty) for an imaginary nuclear weapons program, massive sanctions would have to be levied against the Ukraine should it withdraw from the treaty.
Unless, of course, the US and the UN hypocritically believe that international law only applies to people they don't like.
"They would first need to withdraw..." I think you are confused about the power of paper. Didn't the invasion of Crimea in violation of the Budapest Memoranda break you of this delusion?
Ukraine also sits on major gas lines leading to Europe. You need to get up to speed on who can do what and when. Meanwhile, Ukraine does have GRAIN GRAIN GRAIN which China needs as does Russia and Europe.
I'm not for Ukraine actually building nukes...but I am for the bluff.
"Them" and "They" are not legal government and no way legal representative of Ukraine people.
In real, these play with fire and more...
I wonder if the libtards who wax incessantly about gun control see the parallel here.
Oh that's funny. The libtards can't connect dots. They can only see their own intrusive agenda.
Did you get your invitation for the all night pajama party in the senate discussing climate change?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-senate-climate-change-20140310,0,5951075.story#axzz2vcRe5t6p
Libtards are just about double standards. Take Rosie Odonell for instance, a big time anti gun person. She doesn't own any guns herself, but she has armed guards guarding her gated community. Not everyone has the luxury of having their own personal armed guards, they have to be their own armed guards. They can talk themselves into believing anything they want. People like her are the problem, not the solution.
Or the parallel with the protection of the 4th Amendment vs the 2nd Amendment.
How can someone support taking guns away from people but protest that the NSA is in wanton violation of the right to be secure in your persons, houses, papers, and effects...
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4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
2nd Amendment: (wiki): One version was passed by the Congress,[24][25][26][27][28]
As passed by the Congress and preserved in the National Archives:[29]
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[30]
Yeah. That should go over real well for the Western half of the Country?
And if the U.S. should provide those "alternative resources", I'm sure Russia will be obliged to "deliver the goods" not only outside of Crimea but to other Regional partners within the EU.
Sure hope Zbig will be in Poland when that gets underway.
He'll have a front row seat on the "Grand Chess" Board without his "Queen", "Bishops" and "Knights"!
"in the future..."
What makes them think they have a future ?
"We gave up nuclear weapons," (inherited from the Soviet Union) because of the 1991 agreement that The United States, Great Britain and Russia would "assure Ukraine's territorial integrity" but Rizanenko told his government today, "now there's a strong sentiment in Ukraine that we made a big mistake."
Nothin says lovin like a new "Neo-Nazi" funded government from outside foreign intereststhat wants it's nukes back.
If ever their was a magic moment for the Western Ukranians to join Crimea this would be that moment.
The good news is the Ukrainian people collectively aren't as stupid as the EU and American sheep!
Yeah, they should crawl back to the loving embrace of Russia. That'll fix it.
Nemo, the idea that Ukraine is populated by Neo-Nazis is just ridiculous.
The people had seen they had no future under the Yanukovych kleptocracy and got rid of a man who ordered his police to fire on protesters...
....and then this Benedict Arnold-type figure fled to Russian and asked for the Russians to invade his country!
Come on, Nemo. Not only are you violating Godwin's Law but, worse, you are denying the humanity of an entire people!
Excellent Ukrainian Junta Citizenish comment. It really shows how easy Ukrainian Junta Citizenism citizens can speak on behalf of humanity, they are the beacon, the speaker of humanity.
not a lot of true Ukraines speak good english.. that is the easiest signal
ZH is now reprinting articles and citing USA Today......... WTF!!!!
Ukraine gave up thousands of nuclear warheads in return for the promise.
and the winner for free nuke is
eye agree with this jewish nazi fella.
he nailed it hit it out of the park gave it for the gipper and hit a home run whatever that means.
you sea jewish saturnic civilisation has to dominate saturn demon time waits for know man.
putins cock blocks in syria and now in ukraine are slowing the march forward.
putin is a mad dog fearless leader netan yahoo had the kgb canine sussed long agoes.
i like jewish david cam moron and prince phillip and udders within the bbc think that the nuclear option would be a simply terrific control device helping us with the population useless eater issues.
a team of of mossad kidron could easily get a nuclear bomb fitted to a toilet roll dispenser in putins toilet moscow would stink of blood guts and shit for a few weeks but it is worth it.
half life 2000 years tops honest.
all of ukraine needs to be stripped we cannot allow a crazy kremlin cock blocker to ruin a lovely soros rothschild plan.
forward zio con neo con.
Is this english?
de coded by cern from a saturn time transmission.
travelling through worm holes forwards and backwards can confuse one what what
spoken in true lizard tongue
Russia lied and the USA, UK and rest sold you out. Live and learn.
If Ukraine had nukes, the Russians would never have showed up.
Russia better rush to take over the entire Ukr before the mad NAZI dogs in Kiev try to blackmail Moscow with some dirty nukes. In this case, the offence is the best defence. It's also for the sake of most Ukr people to not to live under the abuse and rape of the few Zionist oligarchs like Rat ... err, Yat.
Nevertheless the poor Ukr people alteady lost their entire GOLD reserves... sad sad what a tragedy!
Why shouldn't you buy Ukrainian underpants?
Because Chernobyl fallout.
It's better to have a nuke (or nukes) and not need it, rather than to need a nuke (or nukes) and not have any. I would want to keep the actual number of nukes secret too.
So now they regret getting rid of their weapons. Who could have seen this all coming? Who knew. I wonder who else got rid of stuff like that. Moldova? Well they could always restart Chernobyl.
This is timely and fitting considering the demonization of the Soviet Union most of us on this thread are old enough to remember the American Press used then and are still using now.
Samantha Smith RIP!
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/11/samantha-smith-in-crimea.html
good post
This is priceless! "We need nukes so we don't get invaded" says the invading illegitimate NEW Ukrainian Gov. Classic Western prompting and changing the whole perception of the situation to favor themselves. I'm on to you fuckers!!!!
"We need nukes so we don't get invaded" is a technically correct statement. It may, however, lead to one getting nuked.
Da..and a lot of good innocent people.
Let's see if I have this straight. All Ukrainians are Nazis. All Russians are sentimentalists and only want what's best for their own people and their neighbors. And all the West needs to do is sit and watch things until they inevitably get better for the people of Crimea, and if we're lucky, the rest of Ukraine when it falls into Putin's hands. Should I also be hoping Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and every other country in the area with lots of Russians and some natural resources ends up with Russian troops liberating them? I just want to be sure I'm right before I make any hasty decisions. Nobody in their right mind wants the U.S. fighting anothe war in Europe (we all agree on that) but the idea of Russia expanding willy nilly is still not a problem?
US already has too many military bases in Europe. I dare say where are the bases the local governments are controlled. So, it is not enough to have Poland, Romania, Hungary Czech, in the eastern europe, beside Airport One, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc. in the western europe?
Russia is not expanding willy nilly...You must be confused.
Make a list of Russia expansions.
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You're not fooling anybody.
Unlike you, I've actually served in combat. Two tours. In the United States Marine Corps. So, no, I don't want a war in Europe or anywhere else. You Russian honks tear me up. Everybody who disagrees with you has to be a Nazi or a capitalist war dog. And this is from a country that just took over someone else........for honest, legitimate reasons of course.
Ah, that is an interesting statement true to brainswashed nature.
Better to shed the bad consequences of your actions onto others than to face them.
Do you just write shitty English or is your pathetic attempt at reverse psychology really that screwed up? My Russian is obviously better than your English so maybe we need to hop over to a Russian chat board and pick this up.
Made me laugh. The whole comment is unbelievable when you read it.
Parents don't give kids matches for a reason. It is time they recognize that they have failed as a state, and join their large, resource rich, wealthy neighbor. All those EU-dreams are exactly that - dreams. If they wanted to join the EU, they should have set that course on the first day after the declaration of independence, stick to it and work hard to achieve it. If you are trying to catch-up with somebody, you have to run faster that him. In todays diminishing returns 110 dollar a barrel world, there is no chance they are going to catch up in living standards and society development anytime soon. By the time, and if they ever, fulfill all necessary terms and conditions required to join the EU, there might not be EU anymore. They should stop fooling themselves as if their opinion mattered. They have no money and no army, and the only ally they can have is Russia. Population is in decline. Social peace was kept at the expense of soviet built infrastructure, which hasn't been upgraded since the declaration of independence. The amount of money and resources required to upgrade failing infrastructure is enormous, and worse, any money would probably be stolen or kick-backed before it reached intended recipients. Avoiding collapse would be an achievement in and of itself. The last thing world needs is some proud old bum with a grenade, trying to prove he still matters.
"Ukraine May Have To Go Nuclear, Says Kiev Lawmaker"
Works for US!
PS: And now 0bama wants to disarm the American citizen. I wonder why...
"If you have nuclear weapons people don't invade you."
#themoreyouknow
Russia's post soviet national defense plan is nuclear deterrence, yes they will nuke for defensive purposes, not get into a long drawn out WW2 style war, we can't steal their shit, period.
"Clemenceau once said war is too important to be left to the Generals".... Dr. Strangelove
Counting on the "assurances" or "word" of any country is just plain stupid. All the people in the various gov's of Ukraine since independence have always been completely worthless which is why they are in the mess they are in. They have no intelligence beyond their own greed, no consciousness, no vision, no ability to steward a country. They are absolutely and totally useless.
"We gave up nuclear weapons because of this agreement," said Rizanenko, a member of the Udar Party headed by Vitali Klitschko, a candidate for president. "Now there's a strong sentiment in Ukraine that we made a big mistake."
UK, USA and Russia did well to take out the nuke for Ukranians sake, if not, it would be a nuclear civil war between the eastern part and the western part.. They have no conscience of the big divide between themselves.
Ukraine was never more of a "nuclear power" than is Turkey with US/UK weapons in NATO bunkers which can be activated only on getting the proper go-codes (for their PALs).
But. Whereas Turkey would have no chance in hell of getting anything useful out of them without the right codes, the big talk prior to the 1991 treaty was that (pretty much all) of the USSR's Protective-Action Links (PALs) utilized at least some amount of mathematics and hardware developed in Ukraine by Ukrainian scientists and engineers. Hint is that neither LANL or LLNL developed the PALs for US/UK weapons; they came from elsewhere. Thinking was that if Ukrainians developed them, they might be able to figure out how to defeat the Russian PALs. No way Turkey could defeat ours.
With Ukraine being an NPT signatory with the post-coup Keiv regime being Western puppets, the chances of them starting on a covert and illegal nuclear weapons program are hard zero.
After the USSR breakup there were a lot of nuclear devices and fissile materials that went missing, notably some old Army-style ADMs with simple PALs. Ukrainians could probably figure out how to make them useful without embarking on an illegal weapons program. Heck, they could say they were doing it to PROTECT us from them by being able to disarm them. If you think about it, the very same systems that make them go boom when needed, also prevent that from happening at all other times.
But Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine yet. All that they've done is to send in fewer troops than they are allowed to under their existing treaty with Ukraine. Does Ukraine intend to not stand by their treaties now? Inquiring minds want to know.
"...and by a full lenght "Industrial Military Complex" wins the race by edging out "Peace Sells But Who's Buying" and "Diplomatic Solution"
I see they have their very own John McCain over there.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said it did note the words of Yanukovych that the plans of the U.S. administration to allocate $1 billion to the current authorities in Kyiv contradict existing U.S. laws.
"Indeed, in accordance with the amendments made several years ago to the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961," it is banned to provide financial aide to the government of any country, whose president elected legitimately has been overthrown as a result of a military coup or unlawful decision, the statement said. This standard is stipulated in the section 22 paragraph 8422 of the U.S. law code, "thus under all criteria allocating funds to the illegitimate regime, which seized the power with force, is illegal and is outside the framework of the U.S. legal system," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
"Of course, we realize that taking Washington's stance into account, it is unlikely to acknowledge the evident," the statement said.
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=487618
obummer breaking law again... serialcriminal
Added historical context to Ukrainian naivete...
"Of course being nuclear is the way you don't get invaded"...said North Korea.
Hey what about biological weapons and EMPs? Nukes are so 20th century.
This is all about working west and east for more freebies. If you're going to do fear mongering in the big leagues, go all the way. People who don't want to work need drugs and prostitution and political bargaining chips.
Sure the Ukraine is loaded with natural resources(including NG), but why not let the Asians work and buy their stuff? The Japs have virtually no resources, they have to work anyway.
Simple solution. Kiev guv asks for remaining warheads back.
..uuuh yeeeeaaah...
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America, try to act surprised when Ukraine asks you to deploy bases all up in their country.
'You never built those nukes anyway.' - The Kenyan
hahahaha!
LOL
We need nukulaar weppunz but it ain't fer no terrorism!
Hey comrades, it's too late to threaten Russia with nukes once they're already in your territory.
Talk about stirring the hornet's nest and forcing Russia to act.
No way in hell Russia would allow (more) nuclear capable neighbors - especially ones aligned closer to the West.
What happened when Turkey got nukes back in JFK days. Now, imagine Ukraine one of the main buffer regions for Russia and deeper into Russian territory.