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Why Americans Are Dumping Their US Citizenship: 5 Case Studies

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3,000 Americans around the world renounced their citizenship last year. CNN Money introduces us to five U.S. citizens who have given up their passports -- or are thinking about it...

 

#1: "I threw up after renouncing"

Name: Donna-Lane Nelson, 71
Lives in: Geneva, Switzerland

I renounced my U.S. citizenship in 2011. After I did it, I was so emotional that I threw up outside the embassy.

During my renunciation, I broke down. It was like getting a divorce. America gave me my education, a good career path, and I came from a beautiful part of the country. This was very hard.

Before I took the last oath, I asked if I could change my mind. The embassy worker said maybe, with official permission. But I still went through with it.

My decision to renounce was triggered when my bank threatened to close my account because I was American. What would I do without a bank? Americans in Switzerland were having trouble with their investments, getting credit cards, and some weren't even getting loans.

I've been in Switzerland since 1990, and became a citizen in 2005, because I wanted the right to vote where I was living. The Swiss can tell I have an American accent, and I'm often explaining that I grew up in the U.S. and have a daughter who still lives in the Boston area.

Filing taxes from abroad had always been a real pain. I was double taxed on my full pension, but it didn't bother me so much to pay taxes -- it was the annoying paperwork. I used to do my own taxes, but I started going to a professional when I learned about the new disclosure laws. I'm glad I did, because there were a lot of forms. Tax prep costs me about 1,000 Swiss francs ($1,123) a year.

#2: "We're ostracized for being American"

Name: Ezra Goldman, 28
Lives in: Dongguan, China

I was born a dual citizen of both the U.S. and Germany -- the U.S. through my father, and Germany through my mother.

After graduating from college in 2008, I moved for work to Dongguan, China, and I've been here ever since.

Germany doesn't require me to report, file or pay taxes on my income earned abroad, even though I am a German citizen. But as an American citizen, I am required to file taxes on my worldwide income. I always knew that even as an expat, I would have to file.

I have a tax service in the U.S. handle it for me. There's just too much for me to possibly know what's going on with tax laws and regulations -- I can't keep up with it. It costs me several hundred dollars every year, but if a tax expert can keep me in good standing and in compliance, then I see it as the single best investment I make every year.

I am increasingly conflicted about giving up my U.S. citizenship. I plan to live abroad for a while for my career, and I don't know when I'll move back. It doesn't make it any easier as there also seem to be more and more restrictions for expats -- we're ostracized for being American.

On numerous occasions, I've gone to banks to talk about investment opportunities, and they will blatantly tell me, "We do offer them to our customers, but because you're American, those opportunities are not available." I've even had health insurance companies tell me they'd prefer I sign up as a German citizen.

Ultimately, I don't know what I'm going to do as time goes on, but I do know that I will always feel and be American, regardless of my passport.

#3: "I still feel American"
 
Name: Laurie Lautmann, 58
Lives in: Gisborne, New Zealand

I went traveling through the Pacific, and landed in New Zealand in my mid-20s. I just loved it, and ended up staying, buying a home, finding a partner -- the whole works.

My partner, Frank, and I are pretty average middle class types. Frank is a local gym teacher, and I have a part-time job as a cleaner. Over the years, we have each separately owned our own businesses. Frank still has his, giving surfing lessons.

The tax obligations imposed by the U.S. drove us crazy! We live in a small town, and it was difficult to find an expert who knew the ins and outs of the U.S. tax system. When we did find a firm, it cost us more than 4,000 New Zealand dollars ($3,360) for them to do our U.S. taxes each year. We looked at the money we paid the accountants as the price we paid to retain our U.S. citizenship. But as we got older and U.S. tax laws became more convoluted, it just didn't seem worth it anymore.

The accountancy fee is the main reason why we both renounced our U.S. citizenship last year. It wasn't an easy decision -- super stressful, and very emotional. But at the end of the day, I think it was the right thing for us.

We made an embassy appointment, all the time thinking long and hard about it. I was nervous during the long drive to the consulate in Auckland. I couldn't eat; I couldn't think; I couldn't sleep.

From the time that you're young, you pledge your allegiance to the flag at school, and you always hear the U.S. is the best country. And here we were, cutting off our ties to America.

I still feel American -- it's where I grew up. If someone asks me what I am, well, hey, I'm an American! I can't say I'm a Kiwi, a New Zealander. I sound like an American, and I really am one. I just don't have the passport anymore.

#4: "Invasion of privacy"

Name: Christina Ammann, 56
Lives in: Belp, Switzerland

When you're an American -- and I've always been patriotic -- it's extremely troubling to think about giving up your citizenship. But it's an option I am considering due to the invasive reach of the IRS and the U.S. government into my personal life.

I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, and went to college in California. After I graduated, I entered the Peace Corps, stationed in Costa Rica. That's where I met my husband, who is Swiss. I moved to Switzerland to be with him in 1984, and received Swiss citizenship when we married.

The fact that I have signatory rights on my Swiss husband's financial accounts means that I must report them to the U.S. government, which I find quite unfair. I have no problem paying taxes -- I have problems with reporting my non-American husband's assets. It's an invasion of privacy. I've always filed my taxes with the help of my brother, who is an accountant, but neither of us knew I had to report those accounts until my bank here sent me a letter about it.

We also didn't realize until recently that my daughter, who has U.S. citizenship through me, was required to file taxes after she turned 18 three years ago. I didn't think she had to, because her wages from a part-time job as a university student are very low.

I'm now working with a lawyer to sort this out. I think it will cost me in the range of $10,000 when it's all done, which hurts.

My conclusion is that new disclosure laws have caused an enormous amount of grief for an overwhelming majority of expats, just to get a few bad apples. They may be hiding millions, but the target persons are a small percentage of the millions of Americans abroad.

#5: "A burden for my son"

Name: Richard Sikes, 65
Lives in: Toronto, Canada

When I first moved to Europe in 1973, I didn't pay attention to my U.S. taxes for a few years. I am a native Oregonian who became something of a gypsy, living all over the continent -- Ireland, England, Switzerland and Germany. I hardly earned anything at the time as a ballet dancer, so I figured I probably didn't owe taxes.

After a while, I started to make a bit more. I went straight to a U.S. consulate in Germany and filed about eight years of tax returns all at once. Even then, I don't recall owing any taxes. That put me in compliance, and since then, I've always filed my returns.

When my older son, now 21, was born in Germany, I applied for U.S. citizenship for him immediately, because I thought I might eventually return. As things worked out, I ended up in Canada -- my wife's country and where I found a job in the IT industry. My oldest son and I now both have Canadian citizenship as well.

What I'm worried about these days is whether to apply for U.S. citizenship for my younger son, who is 16. He was born in Canada, and currently holds Canadian citizenship. He has the right to be an American citizen through me, and I wouldn't want to deny him that.

But do I want to impose a lifetime of paying to have U.S. tax returns prepared upon him? There are benefits -- having a U.S. passport would make it easier for him to study and work in the U.S., if that's what he wants. But at his age, he doesn't know yet what career direction he wants to follow.

As for myself, I have considered renouncing my U.S. citizenship -- my Canadian wife feels it is incredibly invasive that we are required to report our joint assets. But even after 40 years as an expat, I've kept my citizenship, because I still cherish the privilege of voting in national elections.

 

As we concluded previously:

The number of Americans that renounced their citizenship was 221 percent higher in 2013 than it was in 2012 [15].  That is a staggering figure, and it is symptomatic of a larger trend.  In recent years, a lot of really good people with very deep roots in this country have made the difficult decision to say goodbye to the United States permanently.  A few actually go to the trouble to renounce their citizenship, and that is mostly done for tax purposes.  But most willingly choose to leave America for other reasons.

 

Some were very serious when they said they would leave the U.S. if Barack Obama got a second term, some (such as Jesse Ventura [16]) are dismayed at how our freedoms and liberties are eroding and are alarmed at the rise of the Big Brother police state, some are absolutely disgusted by the social and moral decay that is eating away at the foundations of our society, and there are yet others that consider "the grass to be greener" on the other side of the planet.

 

Personally, I have a number of friends that have made the very hard decision to relocate their families thousands of miles away because they see what is coming to America and they believe that there isn't any hope of turning things around at this point.  I also have a lot of friends that are determined to stay in the United States no matter what.  When it comes to the future of America, almost everyone has a very strong opinion, and these are discussions that we need to start having.

Once upon a time, the United States was seen as "the land of opportunity" all over the globe and it seemed like everyone wanted to come here.

But now that is all changing.  As we have abandoned the principles that this country was founded upon, our economy has gone steadily downhill.

 

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Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:03 | 4536817 prains
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Are you sure they're not part of a sleeper cell

 

actually just meant to sleep thru the apocolypse

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:14 | 4536859 BigJim
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 ...But even after 40 years as an expat, I've kept my citizenship, because I still cherish the privilege of voting in national elections.

Hahaha! Spend thousands so you can make absolutely no difference to the outcome of an election! Hahaha! 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:20 | 4536889 asdasmos
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"The problem with bubbles is that they force one to decide whether to look like an idiot before the peak, or an idiot after the peak." - John Hussman

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:24 | 4536909 The Vineyard
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They have no sense of patriotism.  They only worship money.  Bastards.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:26 | 4536923 MeMadMax
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I'm gonna eventually do it as well.

 

There's no point in staying here. 

 

It is a mathematical certainty that this places asshole is gonna turn itself inside out...

 

Have a good one.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:42 | 4536985 asdasmos
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Full disclosure. I renounced last year, one of my best decisions yet. Never lived in the US and have a life outside, so not as bad for me.

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:54 | 4537258 fockewulf190
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IRS = fiscal Gestapo.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:05 | 4537292 Pladizow
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Slaves must escape the plantation while they can.

milk cows may not always be!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:48 | 4537495 AldousHuxley
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Escape from the plantation to the factory in the urban ghetto.

 

only way to escape taxation from any country is to become rich enough to buy politicians. Then taxes paid by others will come to you!

 

 

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:48 | 4537630 Supernova Born
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Every residency visa should be valued in gold and be available for immediate purchase.

A gold standard for freedom of movement.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 12:53 | 4539297 Keyser
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When you get out, I'll meet you in Zihuatanejo... 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:44 | 4536993 IridiumRebel
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I'd go too, but my wife wants to be close to family. They need to invent "beaming up" so I can live elsewhere.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:22 | 4537124 BlindMonkey
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SPOCK: Our readings could be false, Captain, perhaps caused by some natural phenomena.
MCCOY: Well I think Starfleet should forget about those old space legends. There's no intelligent life here.

Fuck this place. I am out of here as soon as I can. Last one out please hit the off switch on the nuke plants if you will be so kind.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:09 | 4537425 seataka
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heh, I've always thought that SETI's search for extraterrestrial intelligence was silly.
because they should be searching for intelligent life on earth.

 

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Einstein 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:55 | 4537705 Cap Matifou
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Switched off nuke plants are net energy consumers, for the cooling of the fuel ponds in the years ahead. Otherwise you have a local Fukushima to deal with.

Japan's Nuclear Disaster Could Happen Globally, NASA warns Solar Storm Grid Failure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpI-m62q_Os

The last reactor in the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant was shut down in 2000, but still hundreds of workers commute there by train each day.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:45 | 4536998 Dre4dwolf
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The entire point of America was supposed to be financial freedom and "the government wont bother you".

Now we have some BS system where 70% of your money vaporizes so the president can do blow with his gay lover in the back of a limo on the way to the golf course.

Evidence-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwgD-8Bj_Qs

So yea.

Ill sign up as a patriot when it involves a barrel of tar and some feathers, until then...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:01 | 4537418 DoChenRollingBearing
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My wife and are now in Peru.  We are still Americans, but who knows for how long.

***

The Vineyard writes a good blog, fishez!

I wrote a piece in tribute to his.  I decided to take a crack at talking about my day.  Nothing that interesting.  Nothing really new, well, in Peru but that´s it.

You don´t want to read it?  I don´t care.

"A Tribute to Another Blogger"

http://tinyurl.com/lwn2shy

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:51 | 4537534 Independent
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Someone had a good post about if you do have dual citizenship its just better to change your name in the other country, then drop off the radar screen of the USA, all your income and bank accounts are in your other name or in that of a shell offshore company which you work for a pittance of room and board lol.  Nothing to file even if anything catches up to you years later because your income was a pittance, you know you had a company house, car blah blah.  I think to drop off the face of the world nothing beats telling everyone you will do missionary work and live off the goodwill of people in the country you are in lol.  I remember it was with that casey guy's articles about dropping his citizenship and I think it was satoshi that had some great posts about this.  Like learning the language and marrying a local chick and living like and with the locals and staying out of expat communities where the USA agents are especially in South America...yeah it was Satoshi with all the Great advice.  Look his comments up.

Look you can buy one of those carribean passports like St Vincents for legit from govt 15K at least that is what it was few years back.  Get a different name with that passport. Then take that passport and use it for your new country where you marry the local chick and then change the name again with the new passport in the South American country.  Set up offshore company that owns your hotel, bed and breakfast whatever company you got going, hire yourself to that company which owns your house car blah blah blah.  The lifestyle can be grand but your income will always be a pittance.  If you go back to USA years later you tell them I was doing

a)missionary work

b)living in a hippie commune (take some bogus pics of you making beaded jewelry and wear a long hair wig, maybe even a braided blond round stuff like Tymoshenko in Crimea,

c)you had an accident and have amnesia and dont remember anything in the past ten years you were gone, but if your memory comes back you will be sure to let them know

d)you were a euroMaidan supporter for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, just tattoo some Ukrainian flags on your Tits (I know you are a guy but do it cause it looks good, also tell them you survived those years by only eating Nuland's matzo cookies) and take some pics with those metal shields with the holes punched along the top and bottom, while you sit on the lap of a Cossack

e)tell them you were a boy toy for a rich gay Columbian narco kingpin and you finally were able to get away, you are writing a book about it now and are hoping the traumatic story will make you some money which you will gladly pay taxes on when you get your advance.

f)tell them you just got out of a Mexican Prison in Baja

g)Get William Banzai to photoshop you doing the donkey show in Tijuana and tell the IRS they only paid you with jello shots at the cantina...make sure you go there reeking of alcohol, unshaved, and with brown stains on the back of your white polyester pants.....naturally with a tear in the back....

h)Go in an elephant suit and tell them you were working as  a stand in for the elephant at the Lima Peru Zoo and they payed you Peanuts

i)Get an Israeli passport and become a member of the country that is known as the biggest money launderer in the world (heck a lot of Russian mafia guys did that even if they were not Jewish), dont worry they would never release your information to the USA cause its not Kosher to do that to a member.  Besides remind them that as a member the USA Government Pays YOU and not the other way AROUND 'Suckarz'

 

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:47 | 4537563 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Thanks, Mix. I enjoyed Old Smith in Kr. Very interesting writing style.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:30 | 4536942 The Alarmist
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A few hundred dollars for tax prep for my us obligations?  I wish.  Try EUR 6k or so, for a net tax liability that is still (if properly done, which even the best of the Big4 can't or won't do) less than $10k.  

But here is the rub ... I manage $5b of assets, of which roughly $1B situated outside the US but invested into the US.  I just received a proposal from one of our advisors on the best way for us to deal with FATCA compliance, and the first thing that comes to mind is that it would be easier, cheaper, and perhaps even infinitely supportable from a fiduciary standpoint to dump our "overseas" holdings of US assets rather than to attempt to ferret out the underlying beneficiaries who might be subject to FATCA to comply with it by reporting them to avoid the withholding tax on income and gains derived from US assets.

I know that $1B is not a lot of money in the great scheme of things, but I doubt I am alone in realising that it is cheaper and easier to dump US investments than to comply with their attempts to regulate the rest of the world.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:08 | 4537570 Lore
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Fascinating. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. In all seriousness, isn't this typically how runs start?  Good governance attracts investment capital, and vice versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter (trendsetter)

Wonder if all the parents concerned about citizenship for their children are thinking carefully about the prospect of CONSCRIPTION...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:47 | 4537696 Urban Redneck
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For some reason I think US position on conscription has changed since the War of 1812... when the UK decided that British subjects did not have right to flee the plantation.  Financing an Empire requires both blood and money, this is simply history rhyming.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:23 | 4537454 caustixoid
Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:05 | 4536824 Mr Pink
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I read this article on Yahoo earlier. I just don't understand why these people are so concerned about filing their taxes every year. On top of that they are paying thousands to an accountant to prepare them.

If I lived 10,000 miles away living a modest life, I wouldn't give a flying fuck about US tax returns..Is the IRS gonna come get me??

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:11 | 4536852 IridiumRebel
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Yes.
"ACH SCHNELL! Zie taxes are due! Pay IRS now with back taxes! SCHNELL!"
(Forces himself inside apartment with gun waving)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:16 | 4536875 BigJim
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Probably not. But they might nab you if you come back to the US for some reason.

And given how many countries kowtow to the US... it might not be long before they'll extradite you back to 'your' country for tax evasion if the IRS demands it. 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:40 | 4536907 asdasmos
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It is already happening, they will soon be sharing the information between OECD countries (via article the other day) and eventually you will be flagged. It used to be an option but the with all the surveillance ops, you can never be too sure.

 

The IRS has reach and they can fine you from the other side of the world. They can just ask your host country to comply and put pressure on them.

 

Best to file taxes, be complicit and renounce if that is an option for you.

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:48 | 4537564 UselessEater
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FATCA version going global.... leaving fewer options for alternative citizenship and increasing regulatory confusion and compliance for many nationalities.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/17643-globalists-unveil-socia...

...As various tax-funded international institutions explicitly outline plans to plunder humanity’s wealth to prop up governments drowning in odious debts, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) last week officially unveiled a new socialist-backed plot to create a global tax information-sharing regime to ensure that nobody except the establishment escapes the upcoming fleecing. Under the proposed scheme, admittedly inspired by “FATCA,” the Obama administration’s latest addition to the sprawling U.S. tax regime, governments and dictatorships worldwide will automatically share all private financial data on citizens with each other to extract as much wealth as possible from the public......“We call on other countries and jurisdictions to commit to join this initiative at the earliest opportunity with the aim of rapidly creating a truly global system of automatic information exchange,” the governments continued in their joint statement....

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:57 | 4537249 TheGardener
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Life sentence in Greece for an alleged 1 million Euro
tax evasion. Nice car ? Habitable house with a million dollar view ? Evader ! Lock him up forever because taxman
knows no innocence...

Stop fascism now.

Any assumed guilty legal base calls for full force self defense.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:44 | 4536933 August
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The USG is not gonna come and get any overseas non-filer, but if such a non-filer shows up in the USA (after FATCA has been in force for a while and all/most overseas banks are compliant) the non-filer will get a nasty surprise: theoretically, a felony conviction.  Practically, a major league financial hassle, and probably a penalty which can be anywhere from trivial to colossal, depending on the specific status of the non-filing citizen.

To summarize my Aussie CPA's advice, in regard to any US citizen who has been running an unreported overseas corporation or trust: do not plan on EVER returning to the USA... "THEY WILL CRUCIFY YOU."

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:22 | 4537638 Ifigenia
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it sound like terrorist act. Arent you exagerating?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 14:27 | 4539565 Zerozen
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I have a close family member who has a green card but has never even lived in the U.S. and got screwed by this - for years he had no idea that he was supposed to file tax returns over here. He had to file backtaxes with the IRS after they seized some modest assets over here in the U.S. I helped with the paperwork. The American CPA I consulted with told me that my relative had to file and pay, or seriously consider never setting foot in the U.S. for fear of being arrested (persona non grata essentially). It's not an exaggeration.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 03:03 | 4542018 Independent
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How can you not ever lived in the USA and get a green card, from people I know with green cards they cant even stay outside the usa for more than a certain amount of time a year.  Stop writing BS you have to be in USA at least six months a year.

United States Immigration law requires that any alien admitted for lawful permanent residency maintain an intent to reside permanently in the United States. In determining whether an alien his abandoned his lawful permanent residence in the U.S. the length of the alien's absence is not the only factor to consider.

The question of demonstrating an unrelinquished intent to reside in the United States generally depends on an examination of the permanent resident’s ties to the United States, and whether such ties are reasonably indicative of a continuing intent to return to the United States after a temporary absence abroad. A temporary visit abroad occurs only when:

Visit abroad is for a period relatively short, fixed by some early event; or Visit will terminate upon the occurrence of an event having a reasonable possibility of occurring within a relatively short period of time (e.g., taking care of an ill relative); or The alien maintains a continuous uninterrupted intention to return to the United States during the entirety of his visit, as demonstrated from objective factors (family ties, purpose of departure, property, bank accounts, business affiliations, payment of taxes, etc.).

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:51 | 4537243 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Not yet, but later IRS drones will hunt you down.  Machine or human drones, not sure about that, but maybe both.

They are readying Cyberdyne Terminators too. Skynet knows all.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:24 | 4537592 zionhead101
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Abroad now almost 20 years everytime I return the customs run's my passport in the computer first fucking question out of his mouthy "ARE YOU FILING YOUR TAX RETURNS", and my ANSWER is always "YES", ... then it immediately goes to "My I would like to retire in Asia, ... your living the dream".

Again the Customs seem to only fucking care about "TAXES" and returns, but I'm too old to have income,.. seriously filing my tax returns takes one minute online as a 1040-ez, ... just do it, zero income and all.

I have heard for years that soon when you renew your passport every 10 years, they're going to check with the IRS, and if you dont have a greenlight, then no renewal, which means you get deported back to the USA to be FUCKED.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:19 | 4537727 Urban Redneck
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They don't have to "come after you", they just have to add your name to the OFAC lists then you are shut out of the global financial system (making others do their work)- it's to some extent the same as being within the US physically -- you can withdraw and not participate (which most lack the strength and skills to actually do) or you can play THEIR game...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:29 | 4537736 UselessEater
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yeah they don't have to come after you because its a global OECD template that is targetting multiple nationalities starting with the G20 nations and rolling out beyond; FATCA is presently targetting US citizens as a trial run for getting everyother nation upto speed with the tech systems and politics of rolling it out for all persons.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 13:02 | 4539324 Keyser
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They may not physically come looking for your, but remember that your passport is only good for 10 years. Unless you have other citizenship, they have you by the short hairs. 

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:06 | 4536829 IridiumRebel
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Wherever you go, there you are.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:33 | 4537739 UselessEater
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Wherever you go, there THEY are.

fixed it for ya ;)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:08 | 4536840 GumbyMe
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These people have been gone for decades. The only thing making them "Americans" were their passports.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:27 | 4536841 LetThemEatRand
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Is it the weekend already here on ZH?  

EDIT:  Seems Akak has been banned.  Weekend at Bernie's doesn't like dissent.  http://www.zerohedge.com/users/akak

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:30 | 4537467 caustixoid
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seriously?  theories?  akak gone and fonestar remains? 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:54 | 4537568 UselessEater
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LTER wasn't it pointed out a few times that Akak chose to leave/delete his account?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 08:33 | 4537962 Zadig
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They said they wanted their account deleted due to the majority of the Ukraine/Russia comments being 'pro-Putin'.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:10 | 4536847 A Lunatic
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But even after 40 years as an expat, I've kept my citizenship, because I still cherish the privilege of voting in national elections.

 

What a fucking stooge........

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:28 | 4537464 Intoxicologist
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In ballet slippers....

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 07:16 | 4537790 UselessEater
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'cause being American has been (is) their personal historical identity and sometimes a positive attribute.... mostly its just hard to let go of your motherland in a permanent finite way when you have not actually done anything wrong and never intended to sever ties because once upon a time your home nation granted you rights not criminalising obligations. If I were being interviewed by this mob I am sure I would be "diplomatic" and they'd edit the rest..........

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:12 | 4536855 yrbmegr
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If I lived halfway around the world for years, and expected to continue doing so for many more years, I would probably give up my US citizenship too.  Countries like Switzerland, Canada, and New Zealand probably aren't going over to dictators any time soon.  China, however, is another story.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:14 | 4536864 prains
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Steven Harper doesn't have the stones to be a dictator but he does have a collectors edition dungeons and dragons set. At least he can role play

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:16 | 4536873 yrbmegr
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Is everybody on ZH in the tank for dictators?  This Russia thing is getting everyone in touch with their inner autocrat.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:19 | 4536885 prains
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sounds like a new kind of massage

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:48 | 4537235 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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I love machines.  I'm getting in touch with my inner Autobot.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:31 | 4537156 Bonapartist
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Harper is another Israeli puppet.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:21 | 4537587 Lore
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I have defended Canada's PM and been proud of his statesmanship in the past, but this left me speechless:

HEY JUDE! (Harper performing for Israeli PM Netanyahu, Jan 2014, c/o YouTube)

Maybe the PM is 'taking one for the team' somehow...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:30 | 4537641 Ifigenia
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what`s the problem with anglo-saxon countries leaders these days? they appear more like Django or mandingo then their masters

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:03 | 4537573 UselessEater
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NZ is similar to Aust we're very socialist and want to be big kids in the G20 which is why Aus is in a rush to join collective global growth goals and global taxation regimes and global UN Agenda 21 goals that usurp private property rights, NZ has bail-in legis, Aust wants it and in the mean time we're steadily reversing the 'innocent until proven guilty' foundation of our legal system under the banner of being green, anti-terrorism, anti-laundering, etc guises... be wary of not seeing the pleasant dictatorship creeping into these nations, we've been passively conquered while we watch footy and whinge about a few people in leaky boats - corporatism, fabianism and crony-capitalism is very entrenched.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:15 | 4536870 AustrianJim
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>> because I still cherish the privilege of voting in national elections.

 

That's pretty funny.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:25 | 4537459 SilverIsKing
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That's what the North Koreans said.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:19 | 4536886 ACjourneyman
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Shit, and I just spent 10 years of my life and 20K to become an American citizen. Can't blame me though, the dick wad in office now wouldn't have had a chance even 10 years ago of becoming president, and I would have stayed in Canada. They are f-ed too , just a few years behind us.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:27 | 4537140 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Canada has always been a strange asshole of a country, never dd get enjoyment from it when I had work seminars there.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:36 | 4537472 caustixoid
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really???  zionists haven't terraformed the country extensively enough?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:22 | 4536902 Seasmoke
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Are these people nuts paying these accountants that kind of money.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:25 | 4536917 MeMadMax
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I'm gonna eventually do it as well.

 

There's no point in staying here. 

 

It is a mathematical certainty that this places asshole is gonna turn itself inside out...

 

Have a good one.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:31 | 4536926 Dre4dwolf
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If you are a United States Citizen, you are essentially land-locked to the continental USA for

-Banking

-Work

-Business Relations unless those relations were forged over a decade ago

If you transfer money outside the country, its damn near impossible to transfer it back without some rediculous fee like 13~20%

If you work over-seas , most of your income will go to uncle sam so its pointless to work over-seas

If you work at home, most of your income will go to uncle sam and the federal reserve so no point to work here either, just sign up for welfare and hope some other asshole is dumb enough to work

If you have money here (any significant amount) you are spending atleast a few hours a month trying to figure out how to keep it.

If you have money in a bank, you have to worry about a crazy legal system that forces your banks to "rat" you out and freeze your assets.

 

You are not financially free if you are a United States citizen, you are pretty much a "federal asset" to be exploited like cattle.

 It's just the sad truth, they will try to call you out as "un-american" or a "terrorist" if you bring it up/point it out.... but we all know in our hearts they are the terrorists, terrorizing american families out of their wealth... pillaging and plundering relentless here at home because their war pillaging abroad has failed so miserably.

If this defunct government doesn't shrink to nothingness soon , there will be bread lines in America, because "who is John Galt" will happen.

 

I personally feel that this country wont be viable in 5~10 years, it will go to shit, its just a numbers game at this point, everyone should have a backup country at this point, because it just wont be possible to sustain any meaningful life in America soon.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:40 | 4536980 August
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>>>If you work over-seas , most of your income will go to uncle sam so its pointless to work over-seas

"Overseas" is too broad a brush; ones tax and income situation will vary tremendously by overseas jurisdiction.  In New Zealand, for instance,  I enjoy not paying health insurance premiums, or "social security" taxes;  these items are basically folded into the general ledgers of government and taxation.  While NZ income tax is non-trivial (topping out at 33%) there is no capital gains tax, or inheritance tax. I expect to give up my own US citizenship, though that decision is not so much due to financail considerations as to general, free-floating feelings of fear and loathing.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:34 | 4537741 FredFlintstone
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I heard that it is very hard to same money in NZ. If that is true, then an inheritance tax would not affect a large percentage anyway. Also, 1/3 of the labor force works for some level of government? Not being critical, just trying to confirm these perceptions. I spent a little time there recently.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:45 | 4537755 UselessEater
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Eyes wide open:NZ & Aust have risks as I posted previously on this article. Very socialist and into banker welfare eg bail-ins; that should tell you a lot about the invisible net being tightened quietly and steadily in these 2 countries... I can be critical I've served my time- haha pun intended

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:51 | 4537616 Ifigenia
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I dont know life for the common people in USA is so miserable. Here in Europe, specially the south, we think we are just a little better than Africa and India or China. You know, our msm never talk about the day-to-day life in US since a long time, I only see US through TV series. Here tv only  focus the misery and corruption in Africa or India and so on.

I first hear about Obamacare, i was thinking why the americans were so stupid to contest a public health system. But after knowing the contents, i think it is just a one more sheme, it is totally diferent from our system. We dont buy insurance policy, hospital is public and we only need to pay part of the cost. Unfortunately, there is going to have a "reform" to force us to buy health insurance and they are going to privatize Public Hospital to finantial groups of 1%. So, in the end we are nearing to the same blackhole of exploitation

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:43 | 4536944 Jorgen
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Also, from USA Today:

Americans abroad find citizenship too taxing to keep

and after FBAR and FATCA here is another 'present' for expats:

New Medicare Tax will Affect US Citizens Living Abroad

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:55 | 4537038 The Alarmist
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Yeah, A US citizen abroad is little more than a slave.  Isn't there a UN declaration of human rights against this sort of thing?  Maybe we need to appeal to Vlad Putin for protection.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:44 | 4537212 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Shouldn't that be called "FUBAR" instead?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:35 | 4536964 The Alarmist
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What I will offer here is that whether or not I comply with my non-US tax obligations is little more than a civil matter between me and my host country ... what I do to comply with the my US obligations (can we talk slavery here?) is deemed by law to be a criminal matter.

 

Need I say more?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:48 | 4537011 KennyW
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I left the USA 33 years ago and thank God for it.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 07:23 | 4537794 eurogold
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I left the U.S. 14 years ago.....never looked back.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:51 | 4537020 Duc888
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Funny program you humans run here, ya gotta pay rent to live on your own planet.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:12 | 4537095 kchrisc
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NDAA

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:25 | 4537131 The_Ungrateful_Yid
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I wish I would have done it years ago, I'm working on it now however.. Just have to pull a few strings hopefully and I can enjoy the rest of my life in a some what sane atmosphere.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:58 | 4537621 Ifigenia
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to denunce citizenship have to pull a few strings? Sorry if i am indiscreet. But my curiosity is about legality. Is it dificult, by law to abandon US citizenship? why?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:38 | 4537183 TheMeatTrapper
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Down here in Alabama we renounced in 1860. Ended up getting burned to the ground. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 13:52 | 4539500 Tale2cities
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Alabama seceded from the Union in January 1861 not in the year 1860
The civil war hot action started in April. 1861

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:42 | 4537200 masaccio
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More whiny rich jerks. Please just go away.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:50 | 4537240 Peter Pan
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Americans don't actually dump their citizenship. They just try and escape it.

So much for citizenship giving you rights. It actually gives the government rights over you.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:02 | 4537278 One And Only
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"I was double taxed on my full pension, but it didn't bother me so much to pay taxes"

uh. If you don't mind paying them you can always pay mine as well. Hit me up.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:10 | 4537310 One And Only
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Sounds like it's hard tio get in OR out of United States. Kinda like prson.

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:29 | 4537357 Dull Care
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Time to liberate the country. It's just a dystopian nightmare at this point. These stories among others demonstrate the lack of freedom yet several times a year Americans will celebrate their freedumbs.

Repeal the income tax. Repeal FATCA. End the Fed. End Cronyism. 

 

Let's live in Jefferson's America, not the Roosevelts/Obama/Wilson/Bush America.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:41 | 4537690 kenezen
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Good reply!! I wrote a comparison of Wilson and Obama as an article in my blog. hedgemastermb.blogspot.com

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:37 | 4537370 Schmuck Raker
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This is one of the stupidest 'articles' ever on ZH. "CASE STUDIES"???!!!

Frankly, I now understand the ads;

ENTER CANADA NOW WITH A DUI" ETC..... QUICK CRIMINAL DISABILITY[INADMISSIBILITY] HELP......

 

Hey Canadian Lawyers..................SUCK IT

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:40 | 4537385 Schmuck Raker
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Maybe I just happen to find the French Canadian Tyler a bit boorish.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:51 | 4537405 401K of Dooom
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Hmmmm speaking of privacy issues.  Why does Canada have access to my driving records?  How dare they try to stop me from driving on their roads while drunk!  It's my right!!!!!!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:44 | 4537392 ebworthen
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I am seriously considering this.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:44 | 4537393 Northern Lights
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My sister and brother-inlaw lived and worked in Manhatten for 3.5 years (both are Canadian as am I).  During that time, they had a baby girl who was born in Manhatten General.

They moved back to Canada shortly there after.  I was visiting one day a couple years ago.  They've had 2 more kids since then both born in Canada.  They were about to go on a trip to Florida and all of their passports were on the kitchen table.  4 Canadian passports and 1 US passport.  I asked my sister who's was the US passport.  She replied it was the eldest daughter who was 5 years old at this time.  Everyone was present, so I jokingly told the eldest daughter in the room that she was "The lone Yankee American in the room".  She got upset to the point of almost crying.  My sister scolded me for saying it and calmed her daughter down by saying a Canadian passport for dual citizenship was in the works and that she was a "Canadian".

I'll have to ask my sister if she plans on renouncing her daughters US citizenship.  It would suck if she turns 13 and works at McDonalds here in Canada and she gets some form from the IRS asking for their cut.  LOL

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:13 | 4537632 tsuki
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I read in a Canadian newspaper that I cannot now find about a professor being sued by the IRS for backtaxes.  She was born when her parents were students in the US.  She had always believed that she was Canadian, held a Canadian passport and worked in Canada.  I looked for the article, but, mea culpa, could not find.  Your sister needs to look into this. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:45 | 4537394 401K of Dooom
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Ok, I'm lovin it!  All of these geriatric garbage sucking jerks can leave the country and take their wself-pity with them.  These look exactly the the limousine liberals who demand school busing for other's children but not their own!  Sacriifce for you and me but exemption for themselves!  They need privacy for their financial assets!  They are welcome to leave.  Hey, they should go and become citizens of the Islamic Republic of Iran!  Heck, they look like people who voted for Obama just because he is black.  God, now I'm gonna throw up!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:10 | 4537631 Ifigenia
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Here Public shools are free, but the 1% have a better sheme, they campaign for equality of their children rights forcing the government to subsidising the private schools and they get it. And the sheeps are dupe to believe in equality of treatment. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 14:14 | 4539588 Zerozen
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Yes, like publich health care, the public schools in your country are free...they cost zero Euros...

 

 

 

 

 

....plus 50% of your income.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:22 | 4537681 Tale2cities
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Exactly. If only more would leave.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:03 | 4537519 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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Germany doesn't allow dual citizenship. Having citizenship of another country is a legitimate reason to get stripped of German citizenship. Ezra, don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:53 | 4537618 badewann
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Not right. If you "inherited" a second citizenship besides your German one - say, by being born in the US - you certainly do have the right to keep both of them.

But - if you VOLONTARELY accept US or any other citizenship, then you will mandatorely be stripped of your German one. Happened to me - long, long time ago.

(But, for very personal reasons I again renounced US Citizenship back in ´95 and re-applied for my original German one. Been happy ever since:-)

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:19 | 4537676 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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Ah so, as they say in German. Thanks for correcting, did not know about those details.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:11 | 4537535 hanscastorp79
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Funny, when I'm overseas I usually tell people I'm Canadian anyway.  I definitely plan to renounce after I find the country to start my family in.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:18 | 4537672 Tale2cities
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So you're lying to people everywhere you go.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:13 | 4537538 Cashcollateral
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I am pretty sure the US is the only first-world government globally that feels entitled to tax the income of citizens living overseas.

What is this expatriate tax paying for exactly? The tax that people are paying from the salary they earn overseas, from a company based overseas, while they live overseas and enjoy the benefits of civil infrastructure, also overseas?

Pretty sure if either of the countries I am a citizen of attempted to do that to me I would drop 'em too. Wouldn't even think twice.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 14:18 | 4539613 Zerozen
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It is in fact the ONLY country in world that does this.

My understanding (and I could be wrong, this is just what I heard) is that the global income tax was birthed back in the 60s. The U.S. wanted to make up for all the income tax that active duty military personel abroad weren't paying, so they levied taxes on U.S. expats because people who live abroad are less likely to complain/write to/vote against their representatives and senators.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:14 | 4537539 ConfederateH
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The right time to dump US citizenship was the day that tribe of baboons inhabited the whitehouse.  All one had to do was observe what happens when these baboons take over other cities and countries.  Just look at SA, Rhodesia, Detriot, Clevland, and on an on. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:36 | 4537550 Kirk2NCC1701
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One of the many joys of taking pride in being a citizen of The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, is that your Financial Planner is forced by Law, to report you if he even SUSPECTS you of money laundering, being a tax cheat or having undeclared overseas assets.

The additional points of Pride that move a grown man close to tears, include: the knowledge that 47% don't pay federal taxes, millions are in jail, even more are on EBT welfare, can't afford health insurance, are only a few paychecks away from disaster, that their votes matter a lot -- in fact, as much as the opinion of a peasant -- that their Government fights only just wars -- and only as a last resort, and only kills 'bad' guys -- that the Constitution and Bill of Rights is upheld, that they enjoy the Four Freedoms, that stock markets and PMs are not manipulated, that the USD is the most honest money there is, that their Government does not spy on them, that corporations do not disclose or sell their deepest secrets, and that there IS a Santa Claus and that he's American.

For all these reasons and many more, it is indeed a joyful and proud thing to be and to remain a US Citizen. God bless America!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:50 | 4537652 Ifigenia
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"Financial Planner is forced by Law, to report you if he even SUSPECTS you of money laundering, being a tax cheat or having undeclared overseas assets"

Really? And what about the lawer with a criminal mobster? I think it pass all the senses.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:35 | 4537557 abunusaybah
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I wish I could be a dual citizen or just a citizen of another country I live outside the US thank God but I have no permanence here so eventually I might have to go back But my kids HELLS NO theyre getting dual citizenship just because having a U.S passport is good for some professions but the names on the other passports might have some er..... spelling errors

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:44 | 4537561 Dr. Bonzo
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Spent half my life overseas and served my country, I've come to loathe my government and everything it stands for. Every trip to an embassy or consulate you see the long queues of wannabes and dual citizens milking the system for what its worth. Especially in Asia. New fad in Korea is to migrate to the US in their 50s and setup residence so that by the time they hit the right age they're eligible for Social Security. Be reeeeeaally interesting to see how many non-English speaking non citizens are on the roll for Social Security and Medicair/Medicaid. I'm fucking sick of it.

The whole Western world is being ratted out and sold out. What really kills me.... All the fucking loathing and hatred toward whitey... But the motherfuckers all clamor to get into our countries, attend our schools, enjoy our freedoms and the fruits of our labor.

Then I stand in line at the US embassy in Seoul with 100 "American" Koreans, half the motherfuckers don't speak a word of English, the rest speakee broke-dick Engrishee. But there they are... In the Citizen Services queue waiving their US passports around like they're gold certificates.... And thats what they are.... paper gold.

But that don't really bother me. What bothers me more is that they bring their fucktarded superstitions and Confucian baggage with them and reject our cultural norms and values offhand. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

I'm still too conflicted to just throw away the citizenship. Wouldn't matter anyhow. Every western country is being overrun with 3rd worlders. The fix is in and we're fucking doomed.

It's a nightmare and there's no waking up from it.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:17 | 4537582 zionhead101
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I'm thinking about taking a shit, will CNN do a story aout my anus?

 

What I always hear is that their are 100k guys who want out, and that the wait list to get out is now out 15 years.

CNN my fucking ass this is like GUBMINT telling people what to do, ... where in the fucking hell does ZH get this dribble my guess is from Simon Black, the AIPAC 'soveriegn man'.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:33 | 4537589 Ifigenia
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All those emotions for USA, but the decision to abandon the country is due to the closure of an bank account?

Cui bono? The banksters must be campaigning to relax the expat banking regulation or the top 10% living outside the country campaigning for relax of taxation or worse, the 1% abandoning the ship, but want to change the law of taxation to mantain the citizenship.

All those soldiers who went to war risking their lifes for their country seeing their fellow country men and women:

"so emotional that I threw up outside the embassy... During my renunciation, I broke down... Before I took the last oath, I asked if I could change my mind. The embassy worker said maybe, with official permission. But I still went through with it.  (because) when my bank threatened to close my account "

must wake up and ask what are they fighting for? Isnt it better to abandon citizenship, because Lord is treatening to close his living account?

What kind of journalism are this? no hierarchy of values? what is more important, bank account or country? It made me feel like Cato living in Roman Empire around 475 AD

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 07:40 | 4537834 Singelguy
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What you fail to appreciate is that she lives in Switzerland. She is not just a tourist. In most European countries you cannot function without a bank account. This all started with the Patriot Act which was passed under the guise of national security after 9/11. In fact, it was designed to bring in more tax dollars. As a result of the Patriot Act, banks doing business in the USA have stringent filing requirements for account holders who are US citizens. For many of those banks, the hassle is just not worth it so they either refuse to open an account and if you already had one prior to the Patriot Act, they give you notice that they will close it.

For the US citizen living abroad, the hierarchy of values starts with freedom. When your country, especially one that boasts about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, makes it next to impossible to live outside its borders, is it really worth being a citizen of that country, when it is going from bad to worse and there is nothing you can do to stop it or change it? The bastards in Washington don't give a shit about anyone but themsrlves and their re-election prospects, so why should the average US citizen behave any differently?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 10:59 | 4538733 StandardDeviant
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Why, bank account, of course.  It contains the fruits of your own labours, in most cases earned in exchange for some portion of your all-too-limited time on this Earth.

If "country" means the piece of ground on which your parents happened to reside when you were born, I have trouble seeing why this is so significant; why it's such an important part of many people's identities.

If it refers instead to the mob of gangsters currently occupying said piece of ground and extracting taxes from their lucky "countrymen", I have even more trouble seeing it.

But if, as for many Americans, "country" is a sort of metonymous reference to the set of principles held by its founders and codified in its constitution, then you have to ask whether it really is still the same country you're thinking of...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:30 | 4537598 zionhead101
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Live abroad,

Don't tell the IRS your an ex-pat, tell them you live in Detroit, and get a mail-drop with a shitty zip-code.

Get social security if you can.

If the NSA/CIA know you live abroad, then they will watch you like a hawk, as you can always be an ASSET by control, think planted drugs or child-porn.

If they think you live in the ghetto, and you have your social security sent to a auto-deposit then just enjoy life

Soon as you tell them you live abroad, then you have to answer the BAD question, do you have a foreign account? by filing a 1040-ez online like a moron, your a mister nobody, just what you want to be.

 

Never give up the US citizenship, suck the cow tit dry, enjoy all the US free shit you can get.

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:30 | 4537600 Philalethian
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Three thousand smart Americans are dumping their citizenship because they know THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOd41mG8dPU

What would you do if you knew you had one month left?

 

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:58 | 4537707 whopper
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These people are lucky they are already dual citizens. Finding a second passport isn't easy as it was and can be expensive.  Wish I had a second passport, please share any experiences or information. I sure as hell wouldn't throw up after renunciation, I would have tears of joy.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:13 | 4537721 UselessEater
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Unless you can afford the cost of economic citizenship eg St Kitts or Australia; you should follow the nations standard process and wait your approx. 3 years for a passport/citizenship from perm residency - an expedited passport can cause problems down the track.... its a slow road if your want a viable long term 2nd citizenship certificate but very possible for now.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/28/business/world-overlooked-countries-se...

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 07:16 | 4537787 headhunt
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Welcome to the USSA! aka - communism

This is all done for the greater good. aka - you have more than someone else and its not fair.

When community organizers and communists in democrat and republican clothes run things, in this case here in the USA, you will always get the leftist meltdown caused by their twisted view of 'fairness'. They are jealous, petty children running a multitrillion dollar country.

What they are saying to you - In ZH parlance is - 'suck it bitches!' and enjoy it.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 08:25 | 4537929 My Days Are Get...
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Before you ask permission to renounce your US Citizenship, beware:

 

If you have assets of more than $2 million or earned an average of more than $139,000 over the past 5 years, you have to pay an exit fee, otherwise known as "Expatriation Tax".  Your assets are deemed liquidated and you pay capital gains tax on the gain over $600,000.  This applies to US Citizens and Green Card Holders.

Like most everything in life, you need a plan, in this case, an exit plan.

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 08:32 | 4537956 Pumpkin
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US citizenship is one tired old trick.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."   14th Amendment

Can you see what they did there?  The historical (check it out!) purpose of the 14th was to give the newly freed slaves some rights.  The free Citizens in the states already had inalienable rights and did not need the 'privileges' offered by the 14th, as the inalienable rights were already more encompassing and far more powerful.  The 14th Amendment citizens are all dead now, but the government will believe your affirmation over that logical conclusion.  It would be much, much easier to pen an affidavit to correct error, than to go through the 'privilege process' to end your 'US citizenship'.

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 09:00 | 4538074 Final Authority
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What evidence does anyone have that they are a "U.S. citizen" or a "U.S. person". Do you know how those terms are defined in written law? Do you know the differerence between the "United States" and the "United States of America"? Obviously the subjects of this article do not. There are multiple definitions of each. Context is critical.

Study the Organic Laws of the United States of America, as found in Volume 1 of the United States Code - all four of them. Ignorance is expensive and dangerous.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 09:14 | 4538134 Pumpkin
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Excellent post!  The biggest problem with America today is the ignorance of the people.  I do not say this as insulting, because everyone is ignorant of many things.  I promise you, none would want me to be their heart surgen, because I am totally ignorant of that subject.  I remain ignorant of many things, and will for the rest of my life.  But law is no longer among those things, because my ignorance of it has been cured.  I beg everyone reading this to endulge themselves into studying the real law, and it starts with those organic law.  Government ONLY acts in a representative capacity and is completely confined by the powers of those whom they represent.  In other words, if your neighbor cannot do certain acts against you without breaking the law, neither can government. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 09:20 | 4538166 Towgunner
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I'm basically on my way out. To some this may still sound crazy, but, pedophilia will be "normalized", unless something radical happens or the people take a stand. Sadly, the odds for both are very low but are lower for people to do something. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 05:07 | 4542103 dreadnaught
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huh....being in the UK elite it is almost a REQUREMENT that you like little boys and girls

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 10:04 | 4538383 dcau1
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"I've kept my citizenship, because I still cherish the privilege of voting in national elections."

 

HAHAHAHA...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:42 | 4544494 Deathstar
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LOL  Yea, I was laughing too because voting has become a joke when you have minority useless eaters voting multiple times and corporations buying "votes" through lobbying... ste system is completely broken and has become a joke.

 

 

Bawhahahahahahahaaaa   hope he likes the expensive entertainment (paying taxes just to keep citizenship so he can throw a worthless vote into the fray of fraud)

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 10:11 | 4538412 Pumpkin
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"I've kept my citizenship, because I still cherish the privilege of voting in national elections"

And I must ask, how is that working out?

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