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Google, China, The NSA, And The Fourth Turning

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

“Even if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’re being watched and recorded. …it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you’ve ever made, every friend you’ve ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life.”

– Edward Snowden

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In my previous article Do No Evil Google – Censor & Snitch for the StateI addressed my experience with censorship through direct and indirect means by Google, other media related corporations and the Deep State they choose to protect, promote and perpetuate through propaganda. I found it interesting that websites heavily dependent on Google Adsense revenue who normally publish my articles either didn’t publish it or released it at a time when the least amount of visitors would see it. The almighty dollar usually wins out over truth in our one dimensional degenerate capitalism society, driven by greed, consumerism, gluttony and debt.

In this article I’ll examine how Google, Microsoft, Facebook Verizon and the rest of the internet based mega-corporations have consciously cooperated with the NSA and the rest of the surveillance state to violate the Fourth Amendment rights of every American. Our Founding Fathers had plenty of experience with authoritarian overlords who had no hesitation in kicking in the doors of private citizens to search and seize whatever they desired. The men who formulated the Constitution and Bill of Rights were clear and concise in their language. They laid out the right of all citizens to privacy in one perfectly succinct sentence. The putrid den of vipers in Congress today would use 10,000 sentences to insure this right would be null and void.     

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Media mouthpieces for the Deep State use their platform to lie, misinform and obscure the truth about a basic right owed to all Americans. They claim we have a living Constitution, while they methodically and systematically murder it. The only rights that matter are the rights of the invisible government of rich powerful men who pull the strings in this corporate fascist surveillance state. Justice Potter Stewart illuminated the Fourth Amendment in the 1967 Katz case. He concluded the Fourth Amendment protects people, not places.

A “search” occurs for purposes of the Fourth Amendment when the government violates a person’s “reasonable expectation of privacy.” Katz’s reasonable expectation of privacy thus provided the basis to rule the government’s intrusion, though electronic means rather than physical entry, was a search covered by the Fourth Amendment, and thus necessitated a warrant. Today, our Big Brother government controllers use the Constitution and Fourth Amendment to wipe their asses, while goliath media corporations cooperate to keep the profits flowing.     

“Even though we don’t know which companies the NSA has compromised – or by what means – knowing that they could have compromised any of them is enough to make us mistrustful of all of them. This is going to make it hard for large companies like Google and Microsoft to get back the trust they lost. Even if they succeed in limiting government surveillance. Even if they succeed in improving their own internal security. The best they’ll be able to say is: “We have secured ourselves from the NSA, except for the parts that we either don’t know about or can’t talk about.” - Bruce Schneier

The profane alliance between big banks, big corporations, and big government has created the Big Brother surveillance society we are living under today. And 95% of the populace is either willfully ignorant or perfectly happy with a boot stomping on their face forever. We have willingly become hopelessly enslaved while believing we are free. We think we are free to buy whatever clothes, iGadgets, baubles and trinkets we desire, while becoming imprisoned in the chains of credit card debt hawked by Wall Street bankers. We think we are free to pursue higher education, while being saddled with government peddled non-dischargeable student loan debt and few job opportunities. We think we are free to buy/lease whatever new vehicle we choose every three years, while falling into the trap of lifetime monthly payments to the financial elite. We imagine ourselves free to live in a 4,500 sq foot McMansion, 50 feet from another McMansion, while Wall Street creatively lures you into the shackles of an epoch of debt. We believe we live in a country admired for its morality and freedom, while in actuality the world despises us for our hubris, meddling, murdering and hypocrisy.

We assumed we were free to communicate with other citizens, utilizing the amazing technological advances of the past twenty five years, in accordance with the freedoms guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment. American patriot Edward Snowden has revealed how wrong this assumption has proven to be. The puppeteers who control the politicians and government apparatchiks have no interest in allowing citizens privacy, freedom, liberty or free speech. They have a four pronged approach to controlling the masses.

  1. Use media propaganda and modern day bread and circuses (toxic processed food, reality TV, sports, movies) to amuse and confuse the government educated, eyes wide shut, populace.
  2. Use wars on poverty, drugs, and terror to keep the willfully ignorant masses cowering in fear, begging for more government programs, and pleading for more laws, regulations and statutes, which strip our freedoms, liberties and rights.
  3. Highly compensate the intellectuals, media pundits, economists, and thought leaders to promote the agenda of the ruling class. Truth is of no concern. Propaganda, misinformation, outright lies, and spinning a storyline are the techniques of choice to keep the masses bemused, confused and defused.
  4. As the Brave New World techniques begin to fail and more people are awakened to the increasing tyranny of an unelected invisible government, Orwellian techniques are instituted. The metadata collection by the NSA, with the cooperation of corporate America, is being done to intimidate those who might voice discontent and provide the controllers with the means to eliminate opposition and freedom of speech.

A population unable or unwilling to think critically doesn’t comprehend the extreme danger to our civil liberties from the unwarranted intrusion into our private lives by a surveillance police state bent on bribing, coercing and silencing dissent, truth and First Amendment rights. Civil libertarian, John Whitehead, captures the essence of our plight.

“Intrinsically, privacy is precious to the extent that it is a component of a liberty. Part of citizenship in a free society is the expectation that one’s personal affairs and physical person are inviolable so long as one remains within the law. A robust concept of freedom includes the freedom from constant and intrusive government surveillance of one’s life. From this perspective, Fourth Amendment violations are objectionable for the simple fact that the government is doing something it has no license to do–that is, invading the privacy of a law-abiding citizen by monitoring their daily activities and laying hands on their person without any evidence of wrongdoing.

Privacy is also instrumental in nature. This aspect of the right highlights the pernicious effects, rather than the inherent illegitimacy, of intrusive, suspicionless surveillance. For example, encroachments on individual privacy undermine democratic institutions by chilling free speech. When citizens–especially those espousing unpopular viewpoints–are aware that the intimate details of their personal lives are pervasively monitored by government, or even that they could be singled out for discriminatory treatment by government officials as a result of their First Amendment expressive activities, they are less likely to freely express their dissident views.” – John W. Whitehead – A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State

Do No Evil, Unless it is Profitable

“I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.” Edward Snowden



It’s amazing how corporate principles, codes of conduct, ethics, and morality can be cast aside by men when their wealth and power is dependent upon casting them aside. Google’s Do No Evil slogan is now a bad joke as they have consistently ignored their own motto by doing business with evil governments, bowing down to the demands of authoritarian surveillance states, and willingly handing over the private information of people to the government. They have done this in order to boost their profits and enrich their executives. The 120 million internet users in China are too big of a market, with vast profit potential, for Google to pass up over a little torture, murder, and repression by the Chinese government. Google bowed to the Chinese government and produced a censored, state-approved version of its search portal, enabling filters that block search terms such as Tibet, Taiwanese independence, Tiananmen Square protests, Falun Gong movement, freedom, democracy, political protest and prevent the engine from finding certain websites banned by the state. It also does not offer its blog or e-mail services in China in order to comply with government restrictions denying free speech. I guess evil is in the eye of the shareholder.

Human rights groups are the only ones who have called out Google for their hypocrisy, censorship of free speech and worshiping at the altar of the almighty yuan. Google is not alone in kowtowing to the authoritarian regime in China, as Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook and any other internet provider must agree to censorship and turning over private information to the authorities. Microsoft shut down the U.S. hosted, pseudonymous blog of a Chinese journalist, and Yahoo turned over to the Chinese government personal e-mail files of an online dissident who was subsequently sentenced to ten years in prison. These corporate tools of the state care not that China is still one of the most repressive countries on Earth, with tens of thousands jailed dissidents and political prisoners, as well as being a serial abuser of copyright laws.

The Communist Party’s propaganda department has ramped up operations at Office 1106, an organization which trawls cyberspace for subversion. All websites, bloggers and bulletin-board operators must register with the government and Beijing has a special internet police force responsible for shutting down “unacceptable” sites, blocking foreign news sites and jailing people for online postings. The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders described Google’s acquiescence to authoritarianism as “a black day for freedom of expression in China”. They realized this was the first step on a downward path to loss of freedom around the world:

“But they continue to justify themselves by saying their presence has a long-term benefit. Yet the internet in China is becoming more and more isolated from the outside world and freedom of expression there is shrinking.”

The Free Tibet Campaign describes Google’s surrender as an endorsement of censorship and repression. “With this move, Google’s motto ‘do no evil’ is in smithereens,” said the campaign’s spokeswoman Alison Reynolds. “This also further contradicts those political leaders who attempt to convince us that foreign business can change China for the better.” Google Earth does not recognize the word Tibet. These corporations use the predictable spin that it will notify users when access had been restricted and argues that it could play a more useful role in China by participating than by boycotting it. Tell that to the thousands of freedom fighters languishing in gulags. We know Google willingly censors on behalf of governments. Based on the revelations from Edward Snowden, you can be sure Google provides the identities of Chinese citizens who voice dissenting opinions about the Chinese government directly to the Chinese secret police. We are all enemies of the state and subject to surveillance, censorship and ultimately imprisonment. We are living in a modern technological dystopian nightmare, with no hope of awakening.

“The world is not sliding, but galloping into a new transnational dystopia. This development has not been properly recognized outside of national security circles. It has been hidden by secrecy, complexity and scale. The internet, our greatest tool of emancipation, has been transformed into the most dangerous facilitator of totalitarianism we have ever seen. The internet is a threat to human civilization.

These transformations have come about silently, because those who know what is going on work in the global surveillance industry and have no incentives to speak out. Left to its own trajectory, within a few years, global civilization will be a postmodern surveillance dystopia, from which escape for all but the most skilled individuals will be impossible. In fact, we may already be there.

While many writers have considered what the internet means for global civilization, they are wrong. They are wrong because they do not have the sense of perspective that direct experience brings. They are wrong because they have never met the enemy.” – Julian Assange – Cypherpunks: Freedom and the Future of the Internet

Big Google and the Surveillance State

“Big Brother in the form of an increasingly powerful government and in an increasingly powerful private sector will pile the records high with reasons why privacy should give way to national security, to law and order and the like.”William O. Douglas – Points of Rebellion, 1969

Found it on Reddit

“We have seen segments of our Government, in their attitudes and action, adopt tactics unworthy of a democracy, and occasionally reminiscent of totalitarian regimes. We have seen a consistent pattern in which programs initiated with limited goals, such as preventing criminal violence or identifying foreign spies, were expanded to what witnesses characterized as “vacuum cleaners”, sweeping in information about lawful activities of American citizens. The tendency of intelligence activities to expand beyond their initial scope is a theme which runs through every aspect of our investigative findings. Intelligence collection programs naturally generate ever-increasing demands for new data. And once intelligence has been collected, there are strong pressures to use it against the target.”  ? Church Committee -1975

William O. Douglas and Frank Church foresaw the overreach of the surveillance state decades before Edward Snowden nobly sacrificed his future and risked his life to reveal the vast illegal collection of private phone calls, texts, emails, downloads, and every electronic communication of every person in America by a secret government agency operating in the shadows. The Chinese experience was a prelude to how Google, Yahoo, Verizon and the rest of the corporate internet/telecommunication complex would do whatever was demanded by the all-powerful NSA in order to expand their profits and avoid the ire of the Deep State.

Edward Snowden threw a monkey wrench into the well- oiled gears of the cooperative efforts of the NSA, the British NSA – GCHQ, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Verizon, etc. to conduct the greatest mass spying program in world history. The denials, finger pointing, obfuscation, and outright lies by government bureaucrats, politicians and corporate executives came fast and furious after Snowden’s revelations. They were caught red handed committing illegal acts, in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Denial press releases regarding knowledge of this mass spying scheme from Google and Facebook appeared to be written by the same maggot public relations firm, as they were virtually identical.

The reactions of Google and Yahoo were reminiscent of Captain Renault declaring “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” in Casablanca.

“We are outraged at the lengths to which the government seems to have gone to intercept data from our private fiber networks, and it underscores the need for urgent reform.”Google

“We have strict controls in place to protect the security of our data centers, and we have not given access to our data centers to the NSA or to any other government agency.”Yahoo

These faux expressions of outrage and surprise have been revealed by Snowden to be disingenuous and insincere.  Glenn Greenwald and the Guardian verified the authenticity of a 41-slide NSA PowerPoint presentation, classified as top secret, used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the PRISM program. The presentation claims “collection directly from the servers” of nine major US service providers, including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, and Apple. The presentation also claims the program is run with the assistance of these companies.

Once they were caught in a lie, Google and the rest of the co-conspirators in this crime tried to backtrack and say they were just obeying their masters at the NSA.  In a statement, Google said: “Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a back door for the government to access private user data.”

Google is supposed to be the most highly advanced cutting edge tech company on the planet, but somehow their entire system is unencrypted and available to anyone with the means to access it. That sure seems convenient. They have plausible deniability, while allowing the NSA to syphon every piece of electronic communication on its networks. No wonder this NSA diagram had a big smiley face on it.

Detail of an internal “NSA presentation slide” published by the Washington Post. The sketch shows where the public Internet meets the private cloud maintained by Google, and points out — with a smiley face — that the data within the cloud is unencrypted.

The documents released by Snowden forced Google to admit to willingly providing data, names and communications directly to the NSA. Google has a special server drop-box for the NSA where requested and approved files are placed to be taken by the NSA via secure FTP. Some printed records are delivered by hand. How much data passes through this hand-off process isn’t known because the company has refused to reveal that information.

With all the brainpower at Google HQ it is beyond laughable to believe they had no idea the NSA was collecting metadata on such a vast scale. They allowed this to happen with a wink and a nod in order to keep profits flowing. Google, Yahoo and the rest of the captured high tech industry sold out the American people for profits. They were willing participants in the largest crime in U.S. history, and there are no repercussions or prosecutions because their co-conspirators are the very government who would have to prosecute them.

The supposedly legal aspect of this spying program allows the NSA to gather huge amounts of Internet communications by legally compelling U.S. tech companies, including Google, to cooperate with officials and turn over all data that matches secret court approved search queries. This is authorized under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act. PRISM operations are overseen by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). None of this was known prior to Edward Snowden nobly deciding he could not let this go on in good conscience. Neither the government, Google nor the other communications companies would have ever revealed this program. Of course, the non-legal vacuuming of metadata is far worse and has no support whatsoever under the U.S. Constitution.

To give you some perspective on the scale of this criminal enterprise, NSA analysts processed more than 180 million records within a time span of 30 days from Google’s metadata system. The NSA gained access to who sent the message, who received the message, what the message contained and all audio and video sent on this system. The NSA secretly tapped into the private fiber-optic networks that connect Google’s and Yahoo’s worldwide data centers, allowing the spy agency to suck up “at will” bulk metadata and content belonging to users of the companies’ services.

Under a program called MUSCULAR, a joint project with British NSA counterpart the GCHQ, the NSA takes advantage of overseas taps to intercept data flowing within Google’s and Yahoo’s geographically distributed data “clouds,” where multiple copies of user data are stored unencrypted. Google “PREF” cookies, which can help identify a user’s web browser and serve up personalized ads allows NSA to single out an individual’s communications among the sea of Internet data in order to send out software that can hack that person’s computer.

The question is why is our government doing this? Are they doing it for our protection or for our subjugation? The War on Terror is really a cover for corporate fascists to further enrich themselves and gain a stranglehold on the government and financial system. There is little or no threat from terrorists in this country. The few psychopaths out there cannot impact this country in a major way. But, fear can be used by those in power to solidify their control over the masses. Before 9/11 it would have seemed unthinkable for our country to descend into a dystopian society, surrendering privacy, anonymity and individualism.

This bulk collection of private communications is their ace in the hole. Anyone who dares to question authority, resist the establishment or voice a dissenting opinion can be discredited and destroyed with personal information gathered by the NSA. One method for undermining those deemed “radicalizers” by the NSA is to document their online porn habits. The documents released by Snowden reveal NSA plans to blackmail non-conformists, as explained by Glenn Greenwald.

“Among the vulnerabilities listed by the NSA that can be effectively exploited are ‘viewing sexually explicit material online’ and ‘using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls.’ “

If the Deep State cannot bribe you with cash, they will invade your privacy and use personal communications to bribe you. Censorship can be exercised through many channels. The saddest part thus far is the lack of outrage by the American people. The majority of mouth breathing techno-narcissists in this country have never heard of Edward Snowden. They don’t realize he is the Paul Revere of the next American Revolution. They don’t understand the implications of not standing and fighting during this Fourth Turning. Unless enough people stand up and say NO, we will end up with turnkey tyranny.

“The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. People won’t be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things… And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it’s only going to get worse. The NSA will say that… because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny.” Edward Snowden

In the final segment of this three part article – Fourth Turning: The People vs Big Brother – I’ll discuss how I think this all fits into the Fourth Turning Crisis we are currently experiencing.


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Wed, 03/12/2014 - 18:59 | 4540760 LeftyGoldblatt
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Google barge, kicked out of S.F. Bay, gets warm welcome in Stockton


What are these barges all about? Is it some sort of tax avoidance thing if it is always moving around? Seems weird.


Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:13 | 4540824 zaphod
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All of those SF Google bus protesters should aim for better targets like these floating $100M datacenters. But SF protesters are fundamentally lazy and its easy to throw things at buses. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:21 | 4540848 Skateboarder
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Fuck Sploogle. Don't use their services, and tell others not to. Starving them of information is the only way to defeat them.

p.s. enough with the Snowden worship. His story doesn't make sense - he does't reveal things he knows that are 'classified.' Hero of the people? You can do better than that.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:30 | 4540906 TeamDepends
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We do not now nor will we ever love Big Brother.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:29 | 4541079 The Alarmist
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Excerpt from Entick v. Carrington (1765), English common law precedent to the US 4th amendment ... these rights did not suddenly spring up with the US Constitution:


The great end, for which men entered into society, was to secure their property. That right is preserved sacred and incommunicable in all instances, where it has not been taken away or abridged by some public law for the good of the whole. The cases where this right of property is set aside by private law, are various. Distresses, executions, forfeitures, taxes etc are all of this description; wherein every man by common consent gives up that right, for the sake of justice and the general good. By the laws of England, every invasion of private property, be it ever so minute, is a trespass. No man can set his foot upon my ground without my license, but he is liable to an action, though the damage be nothing; which is proved by every declaration in trespass, where the defendant is called upon to answer for bruising the grass and even treading upon the soil. If he admits the fact, he is bound to show by way of justification, that some positive law has empowered or excused him. The justification is submitted to the judges, who are to look into the books; and if such a justification can be maintained by the text of the statute law, or by the principles of common law. If no excuse can be found or produced, the silence of the books is an authority against the defendant, and the plaintiff must have judgment.

According to this reasoning, it is now incumbent upon the defendants to show the law by which this seizure is warranted. If that cannot be done, it is a trespass.

Papers are the owner’s goods and chattels: they are his dearest property; and are so far from enduring a seizure, that they will hardly bear an inspection; and though the eye cannot by the laws of England be guilty of a trespass, yet where private papers are removed and carried away, the secret nature of those goods will be an aggravation of the trespass, and demand more considerable damages in that respect. Where is the written law that gives any magistrate such a power? I can safely answer, there is none; and therefore it is too much for us without such authority to pronounce a practice legal, which would be subversive of all the comforts of society.Lastly it's urged as an argument of utility, that such a search is a means of detecting offenders by discovering evidence. I wish some cases had been shown where the law forceth evidence out of the owner’s custody by process. There is no process against papers in civil causes. It has been often tried, but never prevailed. Nay, where the adversary has by force or fraud got possession of your own proper evidence, there is no way to get it back but by action.


In the criminal law such a proceeding was never heard of; and yet there are some crimes, such for instance as murder, rape, robbery, and housebreaking to say nothing of forgery and perjury, that are more atrocious that libelling. But our law has provided no paper search in these cases to help forward the convictions.

Whether this proceedeth from the gentleness of the law towards criminals, or from a consideration that such a power would be more pernicious to the innocent than useful to the public I will not say.

It is very certain that the law obligeth no man to accuse himself; because the necessary means of compelling self-accusation, falling upon the innocent as well as the guilty, would be both cruel and unjust; and it should seem, that search for evidence is disallowed upon the same principle. There too the innocent would be confounded with the guilty.

Observe the wisdom as well as mercy of the law. The strongest evidence before a trial, being only ex parte, is but suspicion; it is not proof. Weak evidence is a ground of suspicion, though in a lower degree; and if suspicion at large should be a ground of search, especially in the case of libels, whose house would be safe?


Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:30 | 4541112 Never One Roach
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So they know what I say, when I say it, and where I am every second of the day and night .... Goolge takes pictures of everyone and can even photo my turd floating in the toilet bowl to add further injury to my privacy rights....

...and yet 'they' say they cannot find a massive airplane with hundreds of people in it?!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:42 | 4541522 zionhead101
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Someone is remaining very silent on that subject.

Certainly the Satellites with their live continous recordings could be used, but that would require MIL coordination, ... this story is being held back, most likely a 'carrot/stick' over CHINA, as when the TRUTH comes out how CHINA reacts must be controlled by ZIO-GOD's.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 02:55 | 4542012 old naughty
Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:03 | 4541207 sleigher
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Don't you have to be a land owner for common law to apply to you?  Because the state owns all the land and we are merely tenants (peasants) they rule by decree and thus we have statutes and policies.  Isn't that why we have police (policy enforcers)?  Buy land with gold (lawful money) and get the original land patent.  Then you can be a land owner and be a sovereign.  Sovereigns fall under common law, the rest of us live on their land.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:38 | 4541513 zionhead101
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Snowden tells the truth, he has never release classified info, now WIKI-LEAKS did, but NOT snowden.

Everything 'leaked' by Snowden was known 40+ years earlier in the books of that time "puzzle palace', ...

All Snowden did was make the NSA 'mainstream', probably coincided with the new data center in UTAH,... NSA wanted to make themselves MORE public, and advertise that a DROP-OUT could make $200k,.. all narrative by ZIO-MSM

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:17 | 4540853 linniepar
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This is so depressing. Ill continue to choke them but we need some serious help.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:21 | 4540873 sleigher
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Someone should sink it.  

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:41 | 4540934 Bonapartist
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U505 is still available in Chicago

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4541505 zionhead101
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Hitting these 'cool fuckheads' is the smartest thing on earth.

Everyone of the kids on these buses is SPAWN of the ZIO- Liesure class in ISRAEL.

Thats why all the ZIO-leaders are going nuts,... "HOW DARE YOU BLOCK THE BUS THAT OUR CHILDREN RIDE TO THEIR SPY CENTER"

All ZIO-SPAWN will become Billionaires and all who take these BUSES are "GODS CHOSEN CHILDREN"

So yes, ... BURN THE BUSES.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 07:00 | 4546960 StandardDeviant
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Oh, go take your meds.  This is becoming tiresome.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 18:59 | 4540761 Strider52
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If you like your privacy, well, ummmm, you can't keep it.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:46 | 4540956 mvsjcl
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But if you're rich enough--I'm talking rich enough to buy governments, Rothschild rich--your privacy is assured!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:09 | 4541019 logicalman
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Interesting that the name never shows up on the world's rich list ;-)

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:33 | 4541499 zionhead101
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Trillionaires NEVER show up anywhere on the list.

GOOGLE "Stewart Resnick", ... and you will see he is GOOGLE CLEAN,

There are services now where you pay $10 Million/year and they wipe clean the entire internet any mention of you.


Trillionaires like Resnick, and/or Rothschild are never mentioned, because mentioning them would bring about a conversation that is BANNED from discussion. Mere mention of "TRILLIONAIRES" will get you banned/deleted on ZH, that's how much they fear this subject, and where it takes you.

But I Agree today's TRILLIONAIRES they BUY countrys, hell they could BUY PUTIN.


Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:10 | 4540809 rotagen
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It's like the ultimate Jewish Mother.  Most people I know have the healthy attitude  "Watch This".  I say give these pinched-butt constipated office drones something to watch.  Who would give these idiots an ounce of thought or worry, they feed on stupidity and fear.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:29 | 4540904 kurt
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A Jewish Mother with a wire hanger and an enema bag.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:12 | 4540820 Made in Occupie...
Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:24 | 4540884 Skateboarder
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Keep 'em comin.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:14 | 4540834 kw2012
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Just how the brown shirts want it and it begins in the public schools and don't get me started about the false ADHD epidemic and how kids are drugged.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:29 | 4540901 Skateboarder
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ADD/ADHD was the pilot program. After its massive success, the program took on a new figure entirely with all kinds of fucked up diagnoses and new ones being made up daily. Kind of like laws.

So bad. So evil.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:20 | 4540865 ebworthen
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Edward Snowden = Hero.

I can't stand Google, Google+ is a giant turd, and Goggle Chrome a pain in the ass.

Funny how CONgress only got upset about surveillance when they found out the CIA was tapping their junk; hey CONgress critters, what about the 4th Amendment for your Constituents you toadies?

What a fucking joke the U.S.A. has become; the military that swears an oath to defend the Constitution is busy raping it while crony corporations who purport to be liberating forces of "free market capitalism" are busy aiding and abetting spying while buying up innovators and floating their stock valuations with FED gravy.


Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:48 | 4540961 Bonapartist
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Snowden is controlled opposition- probably CIA plant to counter the NSA's growing power within the US intel community- it's always about the $ and funding.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:25 | 4541088 KickIce
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If he's a plant why would they send him to a country that has not accepted a Rothschild bank?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:53 | 4541158 Bonapartist
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Jesus H Christ you guys are naive- who do you think set up the Russian Stock Exchange after the fall of the Commies? Also there are a predominant # of Russian oligarchs that practice the same religion as the Red Shield. Look- I get it- some people need heroes to fill some void in their lives but looking to an ex-govt spook  like Snowden that releases stuff that Matt Taibbi would have found out sooner or later is not the guy to look to.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:20 | 4541253 KickIce
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I agree he needs to reveal more and I won't be fully on board until he does, guess I should have made that more clear in my original question.  All oligarchs would rather purchase real assets with printed money but the point I was trying to is they are not under Rothschild control.  IMO, they are taking a large risk if relations breakdown.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:29 | 4541486 zionhead101
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 Because RUSSIA and HONG-KONG are more of a FREE-COUNTRY than the USA,

Besides his one-year is running up soon, and it should be interesting, what PUTIN does next, my guess is that this is 'card' that PUTIN keeps up his sleeve.

PLANT is not a good word, he was not planted, he was "GROWN", you can see that he was "GROOMED" for his part going back 5+ years ago,... and he in his own mind, believes his part.

We'll soon hear that he has Hebrew Granny, a.

nd he'll flee to Israel and be safe forever

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:48 | 4541161 Zadig
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The stories have damaged the empire immensely.  If he was their creature, this would've ended once the security nazgul realized how bad it made them (and their pet tech companies!) look.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:26 | 4541472 zionhead101
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Bullshit,.. nada nobody has lost their job,


All the TOP-DOG's knew all along that about this shit.


Overwhelmed the MSM professional liar class is all that this story has done, and taken 'wiki-leaks' off the news, ... and made SNOWDEN into some kind of white-knight,

Not unlike "BEING THERE" were a retard becomes president, welcome to the SNOWDEN world where everybody gets a SNOW-JOB.

The whole narrative of SNOWDEN that an uneducated person can be an expert, that a drop-out can make $200k, this is the stuff of video-games and ZH retards who buy BITCOIN.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:55 | 4544287 Zadig
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The nazgul arent going to fire themselves and the empire has no intention of ending the spying. 

The MIC has already lost billion dollar contracts and the tech companies that can't separate themselves from it will be hurting too.  The empire didn't leak this to hurt itself.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:22 | 4540874 Yoki
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if you like your internet freedom you get to keep your internet freedom

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:22 | 4540875 williambanzai7
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Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:25 | 4540888 kurt
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The Surveillance State is the cement, now hardening, to catch and punish those who would point out that the USA is infiltrated and corrupted, jointly with intent by, mostly, insane people. Look to the Pnac and the dual citizens.

Root them out. Shut down the fascists. Reverse the anti-constitutional legislation of the last three presidents. 

Sooner or later, folks.

Congress person, how many on your staff, your commitee, your contractees? How many will be on your re-election staff? Note how the election is so expensive and how you pay twice, once to your aids and once to the advertising firm and strategists, and they are the same people. Remember who you serve! The system is rotten. Fix it.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:23 | 4541461 zionhead101
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Look no further than ZH, where its impossible to discuss the ZIO-LORDS, mention that and you be banned, and/or deleted.

The only reason for honey-pots such as ZH, is so they can locate and corral dissidents, ... and they can feed the majority with SHIT, and talking-points.


The best bet is to go live in a FREE COUNTRY, not under ZIO-OCCUPATION, so UKRAINE is now out.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:25 | 4540891 libertysghost
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Did the author forget to reference Strauss and Howe...or did I miss that somewhere?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:26 | 4540894 Tim_
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Edward Snowden's testimony sent to the European Parliament on March 7, 2014

"The best testimony I can provide on this matter without pre-empting the work of journalists is to point to the indications that the NSA not only enables and guides, but shares some mass surveillance systems and technologies with the agencies of EU member states" (p. 5).

"There are many other undisclosed programs that would impact EU citizens' rights, but I will leave the public interest determinations as to which of these may be safely disclosed to responsible journalists in coordination with government stakeholders" (p. 5).

"I have not disclosed any information to anyone other than those responsible journalists" (p. 12).

"I don't want to outpace the efforts of journalists, here, but I can confirm that all documents reported thus far are authentic and unmodified, meaning the alleged operations against Belgacom, SWIFT, the EU as an institution, the United Nations, UNICEF, and others based on documents I provided have actually occurred" (p. 7).

"The ongoing revelations about unlawful and improper surveillance are the product of a partnership between the world's leading journalistic outfits and national governments, and if you can show one of the governments consulted on these stories chose not to impede demonstrably fatal information from being published, I invite you to do so" (p. 11).

Edward Snowden German Interview: Transcript

"Whether it’s provided I can’t speak to until it’s been reported because it would be classified and I prefer that journalists make the distinctions and the decisions about what is public interest and what should be published" (Source).

"I don’t want to pre-empt the editorial decisions of journalists but what I will say is there’s no question that the US is engaged in economic spying" (Source).

"However, as I’ve said before I prefer for journalists to make those decisions in advance, review the material themselves and decide whether or not the public value of this information outweighs the sort of reputational cost to the officials that ordered the surveillance" (Source).

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:29 | 4540905 Skateboarder
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Thanks for the backup last time too, Tim. ;)

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:45 | 4540924 Tim_
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You're welcome, Skateboarder.

It's my opinion that Snowden is a cunting cunt.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:45 | 4540952 Skateboarder
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The first time I heard the man speak was the Spiegel interview. I says to myself, "this is the famed Snowden? HAH!" He sounded fake. You can't pass fake by me. My senses still fucking work.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:02 | 4541003 Tim_
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How to identify CIA limited hangout op?

"There is ample reason to believe that the case of Edward Joseph Snowden fits into this pattern. We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency."

"But the revelations turn out to have been prepared with a view to shaping the public consciousness in a way which is advantageous to the intelligence agency involved. At the same time, gullible young people can be duped into supporting a personality cult of the leaker, more commonly referred to as a 'whistleblower.' A further variation on the theme can be the attempt of the sponsoring intelligence agency to introduce their chosen conduit, now posing as a defector, into the intelligence apparatus of a targeted foreign government. In this case, the leaker or whistleblower attains the status of a triple agent."

"In this analysis, we should also recall that limited hangouts have been around for a very long time. In 1620 Fra Paolo Sarpi, the dominant figure of the Venetian intelligence establishment of his time, advised the Venetian senate that the best way to defeat anti-Venetian propaganda was indirectly. He recommended the method of saying something good about a person or institution while pretending to say something bad. An example might be criticizing a bloody dictator for beating his dog - the real dimensions of his crimes are thus totally underplayed."

"The most obvious characteristic of the limited hangout operative is that he or she immediately becomes the darling of the controlled corporate media."

"[Messengers whose revelations are genuinely unwelcome] are more likely to be slandered, vilified and dragged through the mud, or, even more likely, passed over in complete silence and blacked out. In extreme cases, they can be kidnapped, renditioned or liquidated."

"Another suspicious and tell-tale endorsement for Snowden comes from the former State Department public diplomacy asset Norman Solomon. Interviewed on RT, Solomon warmly embraced the Snowden Project and assured his viewers that the NSA material dished up by the Hong Kong defector used reliable and authentic. Solomon was notorious ten years ago as a determined enemy of 9/11 truth, acting as a border guard in favor of the Bush administration/neocon theory of terrorism."

"Limited hangouts contain little that is new"

"Another important feature of the limited hangout operation if that the revelations often contain nothing new, but rather repackage old wine in new bottles."

"Limited hangouts reveal nothing about big issues like JFK, 9/11"

"A common feature of the limited hangout operations is that they offer almost no insights into these landmark events."

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:14 | 4541040 Bonapartist
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Snowden has not released anything everyone with 1/2 a brain doesn't know. This is Mickey Mouse Cold War shit.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:22 | 4541075 Mike in GA
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He released undeniable evidence.  He put his life on the line to do it.  That's not Mickey Mouse shit, sir.  Calling his actions "Mickey Mouse Cold War shit" from the safety of your own computer is.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:49 | 4541164 Bonapartist
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Bull fucking shit. Evidence of what that is so earth shattering- tell me exactly what?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:39 | 4541266 Mike in GA
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Evidence - not allegations - that the NSA is hoovering everything across the planet. 

Evidence that the NSA installs backdoors on telephones and computers destined for private markets.

Names of the spy programs and their parameters.

In short, Snowden revealed, at great personal cost, the methods, tools and scope of the authoritarian state being constructed by our elected "leaders".

No one else had done that, no one else has, and he says there's more to come. 

This is stuff just off the top of my head.  If you want more, go get it, Bonapartist.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:20 | 4541449 zionhead101
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All was in the puzzle palace 40+ years ago.

Evidence? Snowden just releases slides, and all can be denied.


The books of the 1960's were written by insiders, who were experts with solid education ... SNOWDEN was the equivalent of a JANITOR at his CIA/NSA jobs, and he's being lionized as an expert that is telling.

During his CIA stint Snowden was a fucking GUARD, during his NSA stint he was a comuter 'operator', fucking GRUNT shit, .. Snowden wouldn't know cryptography if it BIT him in the ass.

This GUY is a fucking GIMP.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:37 | 4541306 Dick Buttkiss
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I'm waiting for the paper-trail truth about 9/11 — regardless from whom — as that will be the clincher.

If Snowden can't produce it, I don't think he's got anything, no matter how heroic he actually was/is.

Just look at the sideshow coming out of Glenn Greenwald's overblown The Intercept:

Seriously, "Where's the beef?"

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:38 | 4541512 chindit13
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You stupid fucking Downing Effect (ed) clown.  Snowden hasn’t released any “proof” that Santa Claus is real, either.  Your kids, if you know how to have them, are probably miffed at him for that.  Just because you believe something, or need to believe something particularly negative and conspiratorial, doesn’t mean it’s real.  You condemn Snowden---plus toss out buzzwords like the other bozos around here who love to portray themselves as “awake” (e.g., “limited hangout”)---because he doesn’t release anything about your particular favorite fantasies and delusions.  Gee, fuckhead, maybe you are just wrong?  Maybe he cannot release what doesn’t exist?  Does that fact ever occur to you?  That you’re somewhere between a naïve child and a fucking wingnut?

Snowden deals in reality.  He has put his own (formerly comfortable) life and freedom on the line to reveal government affronts to everything we all should hold dear, but to whackjobs like you he’s  “controlled op” because you cannot accept that reality is far away from the pulp fiction or Hollywood B-fare you champion.  To the likes of you, “freedom” and “privacy” are meaningless concepts; you need less esoteric, less existential, or more juicy concepts to get a woody.  Reality just isn’t sexy enough for you.  You’re like the guy who couldn’t perform for Priyanka Chopra unless you wolfed down a handful of blue pills.

You fucking child. Until you show even an ounce of the kind of courage Snowden has exhibited, you are just an impotent, useless internet punk. 

The more a person promotes the fiction of things like the Rothschilds ( a now-widely disbursed family fortune), Bilderbergers (a social club whose primary purposes are to one-up peers and engage in schadenfreude regarding the fallen), etc., or jumps on the likes of Snowden and Assange for their “failure” to mention fantasies, the more likely he or she is buried deep, either literally or figuratively, in the proverbial Mom’s basement, albeit deluded into thinking he or she “knows”.

Is Mom sending down strained peas tonight for you?



Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:55 | 4541575 zionhead101
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Chindit, I agree that SNOWDEN has not released anything 'classified', as all he released was always out there if you looked for it, or knew where to find it, I suspect that most of our children here never even heard of "NSA" prior to the MSM 24/7 SNOWDEN-THON.

But telling that SNOWDEN hasn't released




4.) BITCOIN, satoshi

The reason of course is that SNOWDEN was just a gaurd at the CIA, and a computer-janitor at the NSA. NSA  collects info, they don't "Interpret" the data, that is the JOB of the CIA/MIL.

SNOWDEN is/was a janitor, but the moron class expects that he confirm 1-4 above, if he was really baby fucking NSA JEEBUZ, the fact is SNOWDEN can never deliver the goods whether they exist or not, cuz snowden can only deliver what he was given, its a very narrow controlled debate,

It would be hillarious if SNOWDEN ventured into this NON-REAL world,... its a telling argument that  morons are saying, why isn't SNOWDEN talking about "FAIRYS", or "ANGELS", certainly the gubmint has files on the "TOOTH FAIRY".


The MSM wants SNOWDEN to be a credible circus act, that is why SNOWDEN doesn't touch BULLSHIT (1-4 above).


Thu, 03/13/2014 - 00:15 | 4541811 Oh regional Indian
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Zion, don't waste your breath on Chindit, he himself is a limited hangout...he has a very limited "hang-out clearly", given his tone.

Poor chindit, the do good missionary fuckwad....

Hey Chindit, next time you are polluting India, do tell, I'd like to give you a.....


Fri, 03/14/2014 - 07:07 | 4546970 StandardDeviant
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Great rant.  I share your frustration.  This site has become a magnet for tinfoil-hatted fuckwits.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:17 | 4541434 zionhead101
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SNOWDEN is a ZION whore you can see that,

What has SNOWDEN ever released to denigrate the ZIO-over lords that run all?

Not a fucking thing, his first release was PRISM an Israeli operation of HW/SW produced in Israel but operated in Bayahrea,CALIF; but ever since then Snowden has not released any ANTI-ISRAEL stuff, and you know for a fact the MOSSAD/CIA are siamese twins.


My first fucking time I saw snowden speak you could tell, this MOFU had been groomed his entire life for this part, ... he talks like a fucking machine, and not what he claims to be,

I agree also that the MSM love's Snowden, they love BITCOIN, ... hmmm ZH loves bitcoin, loves snowden, ...

Know your enemys' by who the BIG ENEMY loves.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:15 | 4541041 Bonapartist
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Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:32 | 4540911 Reaper
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What stops them from releasing false information on your communications? Note Stalin's show trials, where the information used to discredit was falsely produced by the State.

Government lies. Prosecutors lie. Police lie. But, NSA will reveal only the truth?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:46 | 4540953 DavidPierre
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Government lies.

Prosecutors lie.

Police lie.

But, Smokey(Jim)Quinn will reveal only the truth?

Well ... What about 9/11Truth Quinn? 

You still sucking up the 9/11 shit dished out by these same people?

Once again you FAIL...

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:52 | 4540971 mvsjcl
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DP, is the poster you're replying to a Quinn handle?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:57 | 4540986 libertysghost
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My summary of his article..."give up...the GOV/BANKER elites are too powerful and you can't beat the masses".  History tells me the opposite is true and I have to wonder if Jim realizes his narrative serves the status quo he claims to despise? 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:11 | 4541412 zionhead101
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There isn't a post on ZH that isn't from AIPAC/ZION-NEO-CON

ZH is a right wing nut case site for libertarian fruit-loops, and ABC-MEDIA explicitly say's that the ZH promises advertisters the coveted 15-35 male that lives at home and plays computers 20+ hours a day, in other world 90% of ZH are fuck-wits.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:35 | 4540916 honestann
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It is rather amazing that people repeat terms like "rights" and "liberty" and endless other popular terms... but virtually never mention terms like "frontier" and the role "frontier" plays in liberty and individualism and so-called rights.

Human brains are stuck in little boxes full of terms and phrases crafted by the predators-that-be to lead nowhere (except in circles at best, and eventually in overt tyranny).  Few humans seem capable of standing back far enough, and thinking clearly enough, to capture the more fundamental aspects of sentient beings and their interactions with each other.  And as a result, even those with nominally benevolent inclinations, get nowhere.

There is ZERO evidence that lasting liberty is possible in already populated and develop domains.  Sure, it is possible that through rare accident a semi-benevolent leader/ruler might arise somewhere, and for a time life might be better in some ways for years or even a few decades.  Maybe that explains places like Singapore, I'm not sure (not a history buff).

But human predators ALWAYS gain control of any and every power structure that arises.  And logically, how is any other result possible while their prey is willing to be dominated?

And yet, how many individualists and liberty-advocates who want to live free of domination bother to understand the phenomenon involved?  Almost none.  And how many individualists and liberty-advocates are willing to collaborate on realistic solutions that have at least some degree of potential success?  Even fewer than almost none.

So what hope is there?  Apparently, virtually zero.  Like everyone else, individualists and liberty-lovers are willing to invest endless hours and dollars moaning, bitching, complaining and supporting liberty candidates within the corrupt rigged system... but essentially zero hours and zero dollars collaborating on ways to evade and escape the predators.

Unless individualists and liberty-lovers get real (then get to work on realistic solutions), any hope they have is mere delusion.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:44 | 4540947 libertysghost
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If the point of all the disclosures is to convince everyone desiring "freedom" they are losing a winnable war...or a war they are winning by default (what I would argue is the real "fourth turning") than the power structure's apparent "inability" to control the narrative now makes more sense to me.


Anyone else?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:00 | 4541196 Pure Evil
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Yeah, Singapore is a Quasi Capitalist Fascist Police State, something the D.C. cabal is enthusiastically working hard to achieve.

Where to get rich is glorious, but to slander the state is dangerous.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:08 | 4541408 zionhead101
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Slander the state in WASH-DC and you don't get invited to party's 'left or right', which is puragatory. Well at theELITE political level.

Singapore ain't bad, if your rich, on the other hand the majority of DC is poverty.

I hate DC, but I like Singapore, but I don't like being in a place that cost $500/day, I prefer places that cost $100/month, ... just my preference. Besides hanging out with 'rich' sucks dick, I would rather hang out with poor any day,

The poor, all can cook, all eat fresh fish just caught, all use spices herbs from the plants/trees  near you, the RICH have no fucking idea what they're eating, where it came from, or who prepared it, ... its why they always get terrible diseases and are always sick.

Oh, and the SINGAPORE the air-conditioning, fuck god-damn AC nothing in the world makes you sicker than shit, ... everybody in SINGAPORE looks like they're going to die, the women after 40 dont' even look good, cuz URBAN always fucks your skin.

Another thing SINGPORE women don't like SUN, which means they don't get the Vitamins & Calcium produced so they're bones shrink, and after 40 they become little hunch-backs, ugly shit.

Don't like Singapore, but its HEAVEN compared to WASH-DC.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:46 | 4541301 honestann
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Hey, if I thought a few percent of the world (or nation) population would take on the predators, I'd consider taking the risk involved in physical war.  However, given the virtual complete control of education and media enjoyed by the predators-that-be over the past few decades (and especially now), the possibility of getting more than an infinitesimal few people willing to fight for liberty is essentially zero.

Furthermore, the predators would love for individualists and liberty advocates to fight a physical war against them today.  Given that the predators-that-be have unlimited technology at their disposal means... they win.

But the real killer is... modern humans are clueless.  Even highly intelligent humans today hold so many bogus concepts and ideas in their brains, they cannot see or think straight.  As a potential, but only as a potential, it would only take a few percent, and maybe only a couple percent of the population to eliminate the predators-that-be and predator-class --- IF they were insightful realists.  Unfortunately, very few of the intelligent humans on this planet are insightful or realists.  Which means, not gonna happen.

In any endeavor, and especially any crucial endeavor, efficiency is extremely important.  The first question anyone thinking about this issue must ask themselves is whether fighting a physical war with an utterly dominant enemy who can print unlimited money to buy weapons and hire mercenaries/military is efficient.  My opinion is, fighting a physical war is just about the least efficient approach --- unless you can get at least a couple percent of the population ready, willing and able to do whatever it takes to win.  And the fact of the matter is, you can't find a couple thousandths of a percent who are ready, willing and able to do whatever it takes, so any such endeavor is pointless suicide --- of the best people!

As I tried to point out above, the individuals who managed to gain liberty in the past were NOT people who fought physical wars with the predators-that-be in their part of the world.  The individuals who gained liberty were those individuals who got the hell out of dodge and moved to some frontier or other (like the "americas" at one point in history).

Well, now north america is nearly the least frontier-like and the most predator-dominated, and so north america is just about the opposite of a "frontier".

A number of choices exist for "frontier".  The easier to manage are the least free, but also the easiest to implement.  These locations are already "nations", but at least are nations where individualists can more-or-less be left alone if they hide out in [extreme] boonies (or at least live in rural areas and avoid endeavors that involve predators-DBA-government).

Actually, the most important understanding is this: never live where you are considered a "citizen" (and preferably not even an official permanent resident).  The first and foremost rule of life on earth today for anyone who wants to increase their individualism and liberty is... always and only live where you are NOT considered a citizen [or official resident].  The practical fact of the matter is, governments consider their citizens [and official residents] to be their slaves (and treat them accordingly), but consider (and usually treat) visitors as "welcome guests who are [presumably/probably] spending 'outside' money into their economy".

In a great many countries all an individual need do is walk or drive across the border, have lunch, then return across the border... once every 3, 6 or 12 months to be considered a "visitor".  Of course, you're not supposed to be [officially] employed while in their so-called nation, but you don't want to be an official employee anywhere in the world at this point in history.

Moving towards more and more liberty, freedom and individualism means moving into more and more literal frontier territory.  The three most obvious are: live on an ocean worthy vessel, move to land owned by no nation (example: antarctica), or the ultimate and permanent solution, get your butt into space and establish self-sufficient infrastructure.

Of course, these three options require progressively more time, effort and resources.

And this is where the modern mind-set completely falls apart.

The number one problem?  Today, only predators collaborate.

That may be a slight exaggeration... but is not much of one.

Take for example the ocean worthy vessel.  One can buy a 40 to 50 meter or larger ocean worthy yacht for under $1 million USD.  I almost bought such a vessel about 3 years ago, but make my offer one day too late.  That was a ~2 year old 45 meter super-luxurious motor-and-sailing yacht for slightly over $500K.  That was an awesome buy, however, so in practice something like that costs about $1 million USD, and requires a year or two to be constructed if you buy it new.  But it is awesome luxury, solid ironwood (under water) and teak (everything else), 5 bedrooms, enormous living/entertainment room and kitchen, and lots of open space and privacy for 3 couples.  Hence we're talking about an investment of somewhere around $300K to $350K each couple --- about the cost of a home in the USSA.

The problem is, you can't even find 3 individuals to collaborate on anything any more, especially anything slightly unconventional [like this].  Believe me, I tried for several years!  Several times I found enormously under-priced opportunities like this, but could not find anyone to collaborate.  Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is, an individual (or collaboration) can buy 5x, 10x, 25x or more quantity and quality per dollar if one/they spend over $600,000 to $800,000 for property (or vessel).  Which means, the payback for collaboration can be enormous.  Nonetheless, at least in these times, the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of humans are so utterly small-minded and/or conventional-minded that... they will not collaborate, especially on anything even slightly unconventional.  And sadly, even collaboration itself is so unconventional today, it just doesn't happen.  I know, because I tried for years, and had fabulous opportunities.

Another option I had, but could not find a collaborator was an entire island in the south pacific.  It was about 1.5 km long, about 0.3km wide, about 80 meters altitude at the high point, with nearly 3km of pristine white sand beach in 3 private sections (separated by rocks down to the water).  And this is in a nation with NO property taxes, so once purchased, no endless payola to government.  Since you'd never see anyone from the government that the island is nominally part of, we'd essentially have our own sovereign land... with about 50 kilometers of water between "civilization" and our island.  The asking price was 1 million dollars.  The number of collaborators I was able to find in 1 year of searching... ZERO.  And we're talking about an island in utterly clean, transparent, year-round warm tropical waters in the south pacific (no Fukashima pollution), with probably 1000 acres of fairly shallow natural coral reef around the entire island except the northern tip (where deeper water vessels could approach right up to the island).  And in a country well-known and loved for tropical vacations (though not on this particular island, of course).

Of course antarctica is a possibility, and it has several non-obvious advantages and potentials.  But it is not my personal favorite, being I am not a cold weather fan.

And finally, outer space.  Obviously this would require either 1+ collaborator with boatloads of money (a multi-billionaire), or with some breakthrough technology that makes getting out of this gravity well practical.  Not easy... but... cheaper than fighting a physical war.  And since that is true, obviously the superior option is the productive one, not the destructive one.  To fight war is to compete on the basis of destruction, which is the strength of predators.  To leave and become independent and self-sufficient in space is to avoid, evade and leave behind the predators, which is both productive, and historically the only approach that has ever worked [for a while, at least].

After saying all the above, it probably doesn't matter.  We have two different approaches, which we might call "fight it out for control of fictional nations" and "avoid, evade and leave for a frontier".  Or "kill and destroy" versus "live and produce".

Personally, I prefer #2 and I am certain #2 would have vastly better chances... if anyone was willing to collaborate.  The problem is, nobody is willing any more.  The predators have so effectively controlled the narrative, and controlled the minds of virtually everyone, that essentially everyone is frozen in the headlights.  There are a few of us actively working on solutions, but from what I can tell, we are far fewer than 0.001% of the world population.  In fact, I'd say more like 0.000001%, and unfortunately diluted across too many endeavors, most of which are not very likely to be completed.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:59 | 4541378 zionhead101
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Boat's are a of work Ann, I bought my SHIP some 30 years ago and spent 20+ years sailing the worlds sea's and most of that time solo, ... as you say its hard to get collaborators, even for a small 'group'. Best offshore is solo, but its a been there done that, and its still ownership and taking care of shit, a boat has to be hauled out yearly and bottom painted, ...there are way's of doing it on the beach, ... that is not 'safe'.

It's best to have nothing. I agree with your idea of a permanent 'tourist', everywhere on earth other than at 'customs' where they're trying to keep out the bad guys, folks treat the 'tourist' well, from there its best to have little to nothing, all you reallly need is your bank-id gizmo, and your passport, and a few days clothing in your bag, and maybe a guitar, and be on the road.

Now its NEVER a good idea to carry a smart phone or laptop accross a border as they can learn all about you from inspecting these devices, I pretty much now travel with no electronic device.

Have lots of low level bank accounts, and learn to use PAYPAL to feed them, have a bank account in every country, and a different paypal account for each country/bank.

This way you can get money in where in the world online as you need it, and all the banks are low on the radar.


Travel, find a place that fits and meld in a like a local, wherever you go learn the local language, dance like a local, sing like a local, and by all means ride bicycle or walk, and stay away from car's, as that put's you in the system.

But minimizing your SHIT is definitely an easier life, we say in BOATING that its 1 in 10, e.g. every 1 day of pleaure is 10 days of work, and the expense  maintenance of a boat is exponential after say 5+ years the cost of maintenance goes to the square, and later to the cube power. First 5 years of a new boat, you can get away with doing nothing, after 20 years the boat will drain your life, the salt-water destroys all. Wooden boats are 10X more work than all boats, most experts choose concrete, I like fiber-glass, but only for quality hand-laminated. Most of the boats around  today are blown fiber, the other thing about boating is you must be a carpenter, and electrician, a plumber, and a diesel mechanic, if your not, your going to die.


The world is full of good places that are cheap, I can live in most places $100/month no problem, which means that $1K USD lasts me a long-long time. Everyday spent with a young beautiful woman, and every night drinking and singing with locals.

Like the post the other day, the rich and the poor just want to fish, fuck, sleep, and drink somewhere beautiful; really not much different in the extreme only the middle be fucked.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 23:14 | 4541569 honestann
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Then you probably know something about the Indonesian craftsmen who build the vessels I'm talking about.  They are just mind-blowing gorgeous and awesome.  However, getting a new one built is a hassle, as well as close to $1-million bucks (total).  The reason is, the craftsmen only make the wooden vessel... including ALL wooden portions including cabinets, bed platforms, railings, windows, rooms, you-name-it (all of pure, thick, honking, gorgeous teak).

But they don't install anything else, though they are happy to make all the wood frames and such that enclose and surround everything else.  So you (or an agent who knows what they're doing) must get other craftsmen, some from different [nearby] countries to install engines, kitchen equipment, air-conditioning systems, and so forth.  While the total spent is still under a million, you've got a fair amount of management to deal with.  For about $50,000 to $100,000 you can have someone who knows what they're doing handle most of this hassle (and they know reliable subcontractors).  OTOH, I don't trust ANYONE any more, so... not sure I'd pay that much for their services.

I love the approach you took, but I took a higher-cost and more-complex approach.  Partly this is due to my love of extreme boonies.  The nearest settlement (which is home to less than 100 people) is over 125km from me - straight-line distance.  Nobody knows where I live, so obviously nobody cares where I live.  It took me 5 years of exploring the world to find a place that is close-to-perfect for me, plus another 3 years to build my place.  The upside is, my place is very high-tech and almost literally self-sufficient at this point.  If I could figure out how to make my own gasoline [and integrated circuits], I would be virtually self-sufficient.  My power is solar-panels, I have my own source of pure, clean, pristine, crystal clear water, a couple small buildings to grow food, and most important, my own little tiny but very capable high-tech side-by-side 2-seat airplane that can fly up to 300kph, up to 4000km non-stop (or 6000km with in-cabin fuel blatters), requires only 80 meters to take-off and less to land, and gets 75 mpg @ 250kph --- and yes, you read that mileage right!  I don't even have a land vehicle any more, which doesn't much matter really, since it is impossible to get to my location by land anyway (a very nice feature in my book).

This home took me 3 years to build (with me doing little of the physical work) and cost me about $350K (the airplane I just purchased new from pipistrel for about $140K).  I've been living here over 1 year now, and am overwhelmingly happy with my place.  OTOH, even though nobody cares about the area I live, and nobody has ever in history lived within ~100km of where I live, it is a fixed location, with all the negatives attached.  Because it is so remote, I am 99.999% certain I will never be hassled... especially since my place is for practical purposes invisible from overhead or from on the land (unless you walk practically right up to it).

What would screw me up pretty good is to lose access to fuel for my airplane.  So my latest expense were gasoline containers, which I add to every time I return from a flight.  When they are all full I'll have 5000 gallons, which ought to hold me for a long time.  Fortunately for me, I can easily get zero ethanol premium unleaded automobile gasoline, which lasts a lot longer, and is the best fuel for my 912iS engine.

In theory, I can live for $100 per month too.  But I'm kind of jealous, because you can do that without spending $350K to set yourself up.  Sounds like you must live in Ecuador, Peru, or some central american country like Nicaragua or maybe somewhere in asia?  If you don't mind saying... where are you?

The thing about that luxury vessel is... people take small groups out for a day or three in much smaller and less fancy yachts for $3000 per day!  So it doesn't take very many days per year to pay for all upkeep.  And it seems like the vessel I was looking at requires much less upkeep than yours (and most).  Fortunately for me, I'm a good electronics engineer and good enough at metal machining.  On the downside, I'm no good working wood, and plumbing is outside my knowledge.  If I ever did get a vessel like that, I'd definitely hope at least one of my collaborators had skills that I don't have.

You really are correct about one thing.  If you live somewhere where the weather is warm all year long, and life is rural and cheap... living LIKE poor folk can be wonderful.  And that's really one of the best tricks, and one that I consider very high on my list of "smart".  What I mean is, to have $100K or $200K or $300K or more stashed away (in gold coins), then live on practically nothing... now THAT is just about the perfect life.  The hidden wealth means you can get goodies now and then... if and when some goodie will ACTUALLY make your life much more pleasant (and not just spend-and-waste for spend-and-waste sake, which I loathe like crazy).  But otherwise, like you say, just live the simple good life.  But it is amazing how few gringos will live a life like that, even though it is almost infinitely more happy, healthy, enjoyable and satisfying.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 23:18 | 4541645 zionhead101
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Well burn rate is all essential. Live where you don't need to spend money, starts with cheap rent, cheap food, free or cheap medical, no auto, ... just ride a bike,

It's all the same, equatorial +or- 20 degrees anywhere on earth from Kenya, to Myanmar, to Guatemala; people live the same in these regions, of 24/7/365 growing. Fish farms, greens, fruits all year round, free or nearly free.


Yep, did the pilot thing too, and yep know the 912 well built a few planes too, go live on a boat, and travel the world by boat, ... its one of those things you got to do, read Tristan-Jones, and all his books, his shit is real. One book specifically "One hand for the boat, the other for yourself"

Regarding Boat maintenance become a master diesel engine mechanic, as all boats must have diesel, its the only thing safe, on your journey of mastering the diesel you must know plumbing, high/low pressure fluids - water,oil, fuel, electrics, mechanics, ... well yea if you get a wood boat you must be a carpenter,... I say get a solid used fiber-glass boat with lots of teak below, and just a little above, ... trouble is they quit making boats in the 1970's of quality. But you can get a good boat for $40k, and drop in a new engine for $5k ( 3cyl 25hp yanmar ) and go,... cruise the world, .. but if your already tied to land,... then its too late. Engines need  clean fuel, clean water  for cooling, rust prevention, clean oil for lubrication. That's all plumbing... master the diesel engine and you cover just about anything, and 90% of all problems at sea, are engine problems.

Boat's are killer maintenance, and I'm glad I don't have to take care of shit anymore, ... drink coffee ride my bicycle, play guitar, and have a few drinks at night with locals, .. that is enough, .. simple life is best.

Yep, where I'm at its 3 days to go shopping, so I don't shop.

I have build/bought a few homes abroad but in general in 3rd world countrys you don't own the land, so when you RUN-AWAY you lose all, ... so I think its best to keep it cheap, build a nice house if you must  for $10K USD, but never think its going to be forever, never give anybody man/woman more than 10% of your SAVING's, and NEVER tell anybody how much you really got or where its at,

I always prefer to say I'm poor, and to have nothing,... then there is no problem, and no fighting or crime.

Marry a local woman, you will have no jealousy from other men, as all the women tend to offer their pussy to 'tourists' and if you partake now you have  a jealous husband who wants to kill you.

If you must fuck other women do it far from home, ... where I live I can go in any direction and find pussy for $5(3 hours) beautiful young woman, ... but I don't cuz, I got bored of fucking strangers a long fucking time ago.


Again, having lived for years in Kenya, Myanmar, and Guatemala, I can stress to you its all the same.  Given you learn the local language, and live like a local, and don't OWN poor shit than a local poor guy,... life is good.


Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:00 | 4545560 honestann
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Well, you definitely make me feel better about NOT buying that yacht.  Hahaha.  I always knew upkeep was a big issue for anything sitting in ocean water, even if built out of the best ocean water tolerating woods on earth.  Just the salt in the air means you need a crew member who spends half their time wiping all surfaces to slow down corrosion... even on materials that aren't supposed to corrode.

The vessel was such a beauty, and the open seas are so alluring for a die-hard liberty-oriented individualist, I almost ended up owning the sucker.  Now I'm glad I didn't, though, mostly due to the difficulty of finding trustworthy collaborators (or perhaps even vessel-mates) and the various unknowns.

One thing I love about my place is... so easy!  The self-sufficiency systems require almost zero upkeep.  Unlike a vessel, I can just live here and almost ignore all the systems.  Oh, I take a look at them pretty much every day, but pretty much nothing changes day to day, week to week, month to month, even year to year.  Of course, that's partly because the environment here is about as far removed from sitting on the surface of the ocean as one could possibly find.

Frankly, in retrospect, I much prefer wandering around in my little airplane.  I have to admit that the first time I flew across the south pacific, some of the long legs were scary!  The longest let is about 3800km... though there is someplace [?without fuel?] I could land a few hundred kilometers short if headwinds screwed me over (running out of fuel).  But after a couple times, I almost feel like I could go to sleep during the flight.

Flying the longest leg westward is no biggie, because I can leave just before dawn, and reach my destination just before sunset (since I follow the sun and thus extend daylight by about 4 hours).  Flying this leg eastward is definitely more "interesting", because I lose 4 hours instead, which means no way, no how can I fly the whole leg during daylight.  Also, unfortunately, the prevailing winds favor flying westward, not eastward... unless I fly south of roughly -30 degrees latitude.  I'm very well prepared for an emergency out in the middle of nowhere in the south pacific, but I really, really, really don't want to test that for real.

Frankly, I've pretty much been there, done that [enough times] now, so now I rarely fly out over the ocean further than I can glide (which is quite a ways in my virus sw).  It is laughable, but the most annothing thing about this little airplane is... getting it to lose altitude.  Especially when approaching a landing, it wants to behave like a freaking glider and gain altitude!  Hahaha.  Though it is sometimes fun to glide the last 20 or 30 or 50 kilometers to land, it takes a long time due to the slow gliding speed, and still I almost always need to point the nose down and extend the air-brakes to get down.

All my money is in infrastructure.  And I purposely designed my dwellings and almost everything else so it can be moved.  Not super easily, because some pieces are big, but moving is practical.  I'm sure I'll never need to move, but if some 1-in-a-million situation happens and I need to move, I can take virtually all my investment with me.

The only way I can go anywhere is in my plane, and the closest good place to buy groceries at a tiny market or roadside farmers stands is over 150km away.  One of the great things about the part of the world I chose is... everywhere I want to go for hundreds of kilometers is extremely rural with populations under 10,000 at biggest.  And though much of the topography is quite wild, it is also quite varied, and so in practice I can land right beside or behind any of the markets I visit.  In a couple cases I land right on the [very rural] road and pull right into the informal parking area.  The attitude here is so different from the USSA, nobody even thinks about saying "are you allowed to do that?".

Though I nominally project the notion that "I'm poor", landing a tiny but obviously high-tech airplane sorta limits how far I can push that notion.  But I do pretend that's my one and only possession of any value... fortunately one that virtually nobody around here would know how to steal even if they wanted to.  Not that I don't have two super easy ways to disable it whenever I land (in addition to the key).

So in my case, the term "locals" has a different meaning.  For me, that means "people 150km away where I go to pick up supplies and food items once every month or three".  Fortunately for me, I love solitude, and it doesn't bother me one bit to see zero human beings for months at a time.  Unlike you, I guess, I find different places to NOT be the same.  However, for me, that's mostly due to differences in weather, geology, topography, sky clarity (me being an astronomy addict), and so forth.

Pretty much everywhere I really liked is just inside or outside the latitude band you mention.  In fact, most places I liked the most were just outside your latitude band, but still within roughly 25 degrees of the equator (always on the south side in my case, even before Fukashima).  I lived for a long time in Maui, and the Hawaiian islands are +20 to +25 (Hawaii to Kauai).  So maybe that influenced me a bit.  Places too close to the equator tend to be too cloudy, rainy and hazy for my tastes.

Still, if I wasn't such a die-hard loner, and especially if I didn't have a few hundred thousand in savings, your approach would have been ideal - and the only one practical.  What is astonishing is how many gringos won't even consider... not even for a moment... the lifestyle you propose, even though it is so much more enjoyable than what they have.  Of course, I do believe it is true that most gringos cannot get alone with locals, because they have mental problems (most often arrogance, as if the gringo life is vastly superior, when all evidence indicates the opposite).  I always get along with locals, maybe because I tend to admire the locals (where I've spent time), or at very minimum accept the live and let live notion that a civilized beings should embody.

Some of the locals I met in my explorations were just the most awesome people ever.  The best ones were always the ones that lived the furthest from what I call "uncivilization" (population centers).  Like for example, some of the "ancient peoples" living in micro-villages in the high andes.  Ditto for similar living on remote, virtually unvisited islands.  What freaking awesome people they were.  I like to go visit once in a while, and they always welcome me with open arms and treat me like some special guest - which I so wish they would not do!

One totally mind bending experience I had happened when I visited one of these micro-villages in the high andes.  Somehow they managed to convince one of the elders (probably 90 years old but strong as an ox and very wise) to let me take them on a flying tour around their village in my little airplane.  Not only had she never been in an airplane, she had never been in a motor vehicle of any kind before!  And never had she been more than 10km or 20km from their micro-village... ever... in 90 years!  Have you ever seen a 90 year old more excited than a hyper-active 10 year old?  She kept pointing at different volcanoes and mountains and various places and pronouncing their names.  At which point I'd fly to them, and fly around them low and slow 2 or 3 times.  I wish I had video, because she was so excited to visit places she had only seen from 50km to 100km or further away... and of course you can see so much from a slow (70~80kph) airplane flying very close by.  We even landed on the rim of two volcanoes and wandered around.  I did take some still photos of her standing on the rim with valleys and volcanoes behind her... photos she and her kids will treasure forever, I'm sure.  In the end I took 4 people up in the airplane, but none were quite as much fun as her.  A 90 year old with the attitude of a 10 year old, and not the least bit ashamed to let it be seen.  Those are real human beings, what human beings should be.  Everyone in the town had lived their entire lives without a single penny, without any trade other than "goods for goods" with visitors from other micro-villages on rare occasions.  Talk about self-sufficient!  Those people really are.

Anyway, fun to talk about our experiences, because we learned and experienced things so few people know.  If I didn't become such a die-hard scientist, engineer, techie at such a young age (4~8 in various ways and to various degrees)... I'd surely be living a life even more like yours, though we're not that different, really.  Probably I'm even more of an "outlier" (and "totally out there") than you are, since guys are much more likely to choose our kinds of lifestyles.  As a skinny girl and bit of a wimp actually (physically but not mentally), and with Chinese ancestry to boot, I may be unique, and am certainly at least an extreme oddball.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:22 | 4541073 FredFlintstone
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Insightful, depressing... we have nowhere to run.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:44 | 4541328 zionhead101
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The world is full of good places, but yes, if your arse is still in the USA, then you be fucked.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:36 | 4541126 Mike in GA
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Ann, you're a smart woman but there are way too many assumptions in your comment. 

The ballot box has become a controlled tool of the predators, certainly, but that doesn't clear the field for open assault on the halls of power, either.  Many people are at the same point in their thinking. 

Having each gone through something resembling the 5 stages of grief, we have concluded, individually, that this state of affairs has but one outcome.  For that one outcome to be successful, we must very carefully choose each battle. 

Our delusion may be in thinking we can succeed but to a man we'd rather die fighting for freedom than live with the chains of tyranny.  Don't give up. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:07 | 4541394 honestann
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I think you mis-read my comment about voting and got my intent exactly backwards.  Either that or I read my intent opposite from how you read it.  To vote is to pretend to do something about the problems, but in fact one is sanctioning the system, and strengthening the predators-that-be and predator-class.  To vote is to accept the principle that any majority has a right to control you and any minority, either directly or indirectly (through representatives).  To say this is to flat-out advocate tyranny.  Period.  So I think we agree on the value of voting.  Zero to negative value.

I see ZERO evidence that anyone is willing to take actions to avoid tyranny... with only a few exceptions (a small fraction of one percent).  And of that small faction of a percent who did something, they did what I did --- they got the hell out of dodge!

The USSA has been tyranny for decades, at least.  You say "we would rather die fighting for freedom than live with the chains of tyranny", yet literally NOBODY that I know of has done ANY fighting for liberty, and they all DO accept the chains of tyranny, at least largely.

The only exceptions I see are... the people who do not fight, but instead have done what I have done (albeit not as extremely as me).  They moved out of their comfortable western tyranny zone and into some other zone with less tyranny (or less aggressive tyranny).

As I've said many times, just living where you are not a citizen [or permanent resident] is the single easiest and also the single most effective way to avoid most aspects of tyranny.  The predators-that-be in almost every nation consider citizens and official residents to be their slaves, but consider [and usually treat] everyone else in "their country" to be welcome visitors who are [presumably] spending 'outside' money into their economy.

THIS is the single easiest and most successful way to avoid most aspects of tyranny in practice.  And this is far and away the most common action taken.  I have seen exactly zero predators fall to freedom fighters.  ZERO.  So this endless claim I hear about this solution has zero credence.  I suppose the claim is that someday they'll go over that line in the sand and every liberty lover will go nuts and start wiping out the predators like there's no tomorrow.  I see ZERO evidence for that.  ZERO.


Wed, 03/12/2014 - 22:45 | 4541538 zionhead101
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Exactly, I grew up in east-LA in the 50's and 60's and saw cop's execute people daily and the news never report shit....

It's telling that today, he  keep everybody in fear, and before they kept everyone in the dark and fed them shit.

But the USA has always been fucked, in the 1890's the PINKERTON's were too expensive for the elite to control the masses so the 'city cop' was born...

The USA has always been a shit-hole for the poor, and a paradise for the criminal. If you were rich you could always buy justice in the USA.

Prisons in the USA were always about TORTURE and sadism

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:20 | 4541256 22winmag
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The "three percenters" will get very real and very medieval and take care of business while the largely inconsequential 97% stand on the sidelines.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:49 | 4541340 honestann
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I wish.
I do not believe it.
But I hope you are correct, not me.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:43 | 4540943 Yen Cross
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      If yer gonna "off" yourself, or you're on the X-Mas "Secret Santa" list, here's some ideas.

   How Do I Choose the Best Nail Gun Kit?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:52 | 4540974 Duc888
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No fucking shit


This book was written in 1992 and spelled out EXACTLY how the big corps were gonna do it.



If you really wanted to look you should have read.......


Well, looky looky here, first edition was printed in 1983.  In this book they SPELL OUT how all telecom companies were seeded with NSA types.....


Gee, who coulda knowed, way back in 1983?







Wed, 03/12/2014 - 19:59 | 4540994 Mike in GA
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If the internet has become the single greatest threat to freedom in the world and gov'ts most effective tool for tyrrany, then remember:  They must have electricity.  With declining reliablity and increasing target practices, that's their weak point.  Inconvenient for the masses, yes, but inconvenienced is not enslaved.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:03 | 4541006 libertysghost
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If I had controlled the narrative quite well prior to the internet...and suffered a massive credibility loss since its use became ubiquitous, than wouldn't I want people to think they shouldn't use it anymore? 




Don't communicate..."(our limp dicks) are watching you!"

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:17 | 4541048 yellowsub
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People think they still have freedoms because they can post as an individual criticizing our gov't and leaders.  Like the 1st Amendment is all that matters to them even if they shit on the other ones.

When it is an organized protest of large gathering let's see if you still have those freedoms.


Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:58 | 4541376 Mike in GA
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Well, there are some tests coming up - Ct. and it gun/magazine seizure and a upposed to be big march in May on DC.  Let's see what happens. 

We're all thinking and learning, planning and changing but the undercurrent today is one of a galvanized minority just preparing to meet State excesses with action. 

Watching, waiting and praparing,while thinking (AND collaborating, Ann!) is not doing nothing.  Think of the duck, serenely gliding on top, furiously paddling underneath! 

I believe there are tactics to succeed.  The State is limited in its ability to use all in its arsenal so there will likely be a great deal of asymmetry happening.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:08 | 4541018 A Lunatic
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Spying will not eradicate evil because it is itself evil........

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:30 | 4541109 Yen Cross
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  Wow that Ausie macro news came in HOT!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:49 | 4541160 Mike in GA
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YenCross:  Are you talking about China's iron ore inventory or did I miss a story?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:40 | 4541136 Loophole
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Businessmen and other wealth producers are in "alliance" with the govt like a rape victim is in alliance with her assailant.

The govt has the guns. Businessmen are legally helpless victims.

Businessmen produce wealth. The govt seizes it.

Govt is the extortOR and businessmen, the extortEES.

The claim that it is the other way around is ridiculous, like saying that Hitler and Mussolini took orders from businessmen.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:41 | 4541314 JR
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It is true that Hitler was able to garner more power in 1933 because, as a reviewer of James Pool’s book Who Financed Hitler: The Secret Funding of Hitler's Rise to Power, 1919-1933, and Hitler and His Secret Partners wrote:

“Industrialists, aristocrats, white Russian refugees and wealthy advocates of the capitalist system all around the world found cause in Hitler's anti-Communism…”

The 1932 election, according to, showed that Hitler had gained a lot of support “probably due to Hitler allying with a crucial group, the elite and the big businesses.

“As fear of the Left was rapidly growing, the thought of worker riots exploding all over Germany and anxious to rebuild from the economic disaster of the 1930s, capitalists were starting to support the Nazi party more strongly. At this point businessmen and the elite saw Hitler as a politician who would not hold up business. To ensure his success, big businesses and the Elite in Germany supported Hitler financially…. they saw Hitler as a better alternative and now believed that they could get Hitler into power and eventually control the SS/SA through Hitler to benefit them.”

from Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony C. Sutton:

[The] build-up for European war [WWII] both before and after 1933 was in great part due to Wall Street financial assistance in the 1920s to create the German cartel system, and to technical assistance from well-known American firms ... to build the German Wehrmach.

... The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations before 1940 can only be described as phenomenal. … Wall Street establishment financiers ... directed the activities of American I.G., the I.G. Farben affiliate in the United States promoting Nazi propaganda.

The board of American I.G. had three directors from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the most influential of the various Federal Reserve Banks. American I.G. also had interlocks with Standard Oil of New Jersey, Ford Motor Company, Bank of Manhattan (later to become the Chase Manhattan), and A.E.G. (German General Electric). Second, three members of the board of this American I.G. were found guilty at Nuremburg War Crimes Trials. These were the German, not the American, members. Among these Germans was Max Ligner, director of the I.G. Farben N. W. 7 office in Berlin, i.e., the Nazi pre-war intelligence office. If the directors of a corporation are collectively responsible for the activities of the corporation, then the American directors should also have been placed on trial at Nuremburg, along with the German directors - that is, if the purpose of the trials was to determine war guilt. Of course, if the purpose of the trials had been to divert attention away from the U.S. involvement in Hitler's rise to power, they succeeded very well in such an objective.


The story of how Hitler became a dictator is set forth in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer.

Political deadlocks in the Reichstag soon brought a new election, this one in November 6, 1932. In that election, the Nazis lost two million votes and 34 seats.

Attempting to remedy the chaos and the deadlocks, Hindenburg fired Papen and appointed an army general named Kurt von Schleicher as the new German chancellor. Unable to secure a majority coalition in the Reichstag, however, Schleicher finally tendered his resignation to Hindenburg, 57 days after he had been appointed.

On January 30, 1933, President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor of Germany. Although the National Socialists never captured more than 37 percent of the national vote, and even though they still held a minority of cabinet posts and fewer than 50 percent of the seats in the Reichstag, Hitler and the Nazis set out to consolidate their power. With Hitler as chancellor, that proved to be a fairly easy task.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:13 | 4541240 JR
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The Iron Curtain which served to keep people in and information out of Bolshevik Russia is now descending over America under the shadow cloak of NSA and the war motto of Israel’s foreign intelligence service, the Mossad, which translates as “By way of deception you shall make war.”

By way of deception and NSA surveillance, Americans are standing at the gates of a collectivist hell soon to be ruled with a whip in the hands of a concentration of power that has seized the government in Washington, DC.—if not stopped, now! It is a power whose media already is front-page running photos of Edward Snowden as a “fugitive from justice."

Clarence B. Carson in his book The Welfare State 1929-1985 sounded the warning in 1986, citing 1984 by George Orwell, published in 1949 as one of the most effective of all antiutopian (Communist) novels.

Writes Carson:

George Orwell…was a socialist, sort of, but he was fully aware of Soviet tyranny, for he satirized it in 1945, in the little book, Animal Farm. There is no reason to doubt, either, that he had in mind Communism when he wrote 1984, though it is set in England over 35 years after. His is the picture of a pervasive and absolute tyranny imposed by a “new aristocracy…made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, tradeunion organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists, and professional politicians…

As compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were…more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition. This last difference was cardinal. By comparison with that existing today, all the tyrannies of the past were half-hearted and inefficient…” Orwell went on to explain how and why:

Part of the reason for this was that in the past no government had the power to keep its citizens under constant surveillance. The invention of print, however, made it easier to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further. With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit it simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end… the possibility of enforcing not only complete obedience to the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time.

Orwell described the most dreary and debilitated society imaginable. He especially emphasized how these totalitarians had destroyed the language with their “Newspeak” and “Double-think,” with their incessant propaganda, and their assault on memory by either wiping out or rewriting history.

All the consolations of religion are gone from society, almost everything distinctly human debased, and the people transformed into virtual automatons… (The Welfare State pp 268-269)

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 21:28 | 4541273 22winmag
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The surveillance state is just a different hydra head on the same utterly corrupt system.


Significant and genuine change will never come from within the system.


It must all be burned to the ground and it's roots blowtorched lest it grow back.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 07:53 | 4542234 Franktastic
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I know how to get your freedm back, all from your arm chair.


It is called Civil Disobedience.

"Withholding payment of taxes is one of the quickest methods of overthrowing a government"
Mahatma Gandhi


it has worked in the past and will in the future, hit em in the purse!

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