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Soros On Putin's "Blind Spot" And Why "Europe May Not Survive"
"Europe faces 25 years of Japan-style stagnation," warns George Soros in this brief Bloomberg TV interview, adding that without deeper integration, "it’s an incomplete association of nations and it may not survive." While claiming that the financial crisis may be over they now "face a political crisis," with the voluntary association cracking due to the creditors (Germany) being in charge. However, he hopes "Ukraine is a wake-up call to Europe, because Russia has emerged as a rival to the European Union." Putin, Soros worries, "has a very different idea of what a society should be like... he has a blind spot - he believes people can be manipulated and cannot resist." That's not the case according to Soros, who exclaims "people do believe in freedom."
George Soros on what is facing Europe today:
"What is facing Europe, unless there is a more radical change is a long period of stagnation. Nations can survive in that way. Japan is just trying to break-out of 25 years of stagnation, where Europe is just entering. The European Union is not a nation. It’s an incomplete association of nations and it may not survive 25 years of stagnation.
"The financial crisis as such is over. But now we are facing a political crisis, because the Euro crisis has transformed what was meant to be a voluntary association of equal sovereign states that sacrificed part of their sovereignty for the common good into something radically different. It is now a relationship between creditors and debtors, where the debtors have difficulty in paying and servicing their debt and that puts the creditors in charge. And that divides the Eurozone into two classes – the creditors and debtors. The creditors are in charge and unfortunately the policy that Germany in particular is imposing on Europe is counter-productive and is making the condition of the debtor countries worse and worse. So, right now Europe is already growing a little bit, the Eurozone, but that’s only because Germany is forging ahead and more than let’s say Italy and Spain are falling behind. "
On Central Banks and whether he cares about the weakness we saw in the data and deflation:
"That’s going to be a very tough year for the banks. They are under pressure, because they have to meet the stress test. The banks have an interest in passing the stress test rather than reviving credit to the economy, so the banks have a transmission mechanism for the people’s savings channeling it into the real economy. They are not fulfilling their function."
On Ukraine's impact on Europe:
"Ukraine is a wake-up call to Europe, because Russia has emerged as a rival to the European Union. Putin has tried to reconstitute the Russian empire as a rival for the European Union and has been very successful politically. Not terribly unsuccessful financially and economically, because the Russian economy is not doing well at all, but Putin has outplayed, outmaneuvered the European Union, because Europe it [inaudible] to form, it demanded too much and offered too little. So, it wasn’t difficult for Putin to output it. But the Ukrainian people stood up and demonstrated by actually sacrificing their lives. Their commitment to be part of Europe, so this is a challenge for Europe and Europe needs to rediscover its own European identity instead of each country just pursuing its national interests and getting further and further into conflict with the others. There are certain core principles and this is a political thing – democracy, open society, freedom that Europe has believed in and ought to actually stand up and be united."
"Putin has a very different idea of what a society should be like. He believes that people can be manipulated. He actually has got a blind spot. It’s beyond his comprehension that people can spontaneously resist. He believes that if Ukraine resists that there is a conspiracy that people, that Americans, CIA, my foundation are conspiring to threaten him or to undermine is policies. And that’s not the case, people do believe in freedom. "
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"[Putin] has a very different idea of what a society should be like"
No shit Sherlock.
Screw Europe. The US had best start worrying about the Persian Gulf/Arabian Peninsula again:
Is Saudi Arabia Preparing to Invade Qatar?
Can't wait to see the comments on this one....Fuck you Soros
And to think that Hitlery will look like that in 10 years.
Soros? Isn't he dead yet? Well, at least we won't have long to wait. Bitches.
soros is smart and successful, however if he really believes that "The financial crisis as such is over" i am astonished. more likely, it seems to me, he is lying or, more exactly, propagandizing.
Soros zinging someone regarding manipulation?
Gag me with a coal shovel.
Yet,
He put obama in office.
Dr. Evil looks like Diane Feinstein after a sex change.
Soros is the ultimate badguy. He'd give Bond a run for his money. Doublespeak all day.
Yeah, Ernst Stavro Blofeldt, with his face melting a bit. Nazi collaborator stirring up neo-nazis for the good of an "open society". Of course that openness ends when it comes to central banks not issuing debt-enslaving fiat currencies and taking IMF austerity up the oompah.
Holding a central bank for ransom is how he made his first $1Billion in a day. No wonder the BS propaganda, "Putin, Soros worries, "has a very different idea of what a society should be like". King George needs to stop the idea of Russia breaking ties with the IMF... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-25/brics-nations-plan-new-bank-to-... Bad for Quantum and all.
Can you say panic attack yet?
My only wish is that the BRICS break the back of the western banking cartels. Soros and his ilk have much to answer for through their manipulations of societies for their own evil goals and gains. Fuck Soros and his band of merry idiots, of which the entire US administration is included.
This corrupt son of a bitch talking about freedom? He's out their promoting progressivism and defending the establishment political banking nexus as much as anyone, as anti liberty as you get. He's one of these "democracy, democracy, democracy" type guys who knows fully well that's the ticket to slipping in authoritarianism by the uneducated masses own hands.
Christ, Lenin even laid that plan out bare for all to see.
I would like to see a porn with soros and putin with some pigs in latex.
duplicate
Soros, do the world a favor; put a gun to your temple and pull the trigger!!!
Earth has only so much water, oil, gas, food, and ability to absorb growing numbers of people, at some point in time there cant be any more growth unless you have a world war to kill off millions so that they you can get back into the growth phase again. So stagflation is a way of life, nothing wrong with it. Europe should keep the immigrants out and decrease its population by a few tens of millions, the life will be better.
So this is what fxxk EU meant...All these chess moves are pre-conceived, hummmmmm.
Of course they are preconceived. The whole point of the Euro was to create the problems that lead everyone to the same conclusion -a Federal Europe. Soros even infers it if not outright declares ""it’s an incomplete association of nations".
The goal is one Europe, then one Eurasia, then one world, controlled of course by the authoritarian overlords.
Disagree.
He strikes me as exactly the type who means nothing of what he says. Sorta reminds me of American politicians.
He believes that if Ukraine resists that there is a conspiracy that people, that Americans, CIA, my foundation are conspiring to threaten him or to undermine is policies. And that's not the case...
Lulz. What a reptile.
He is evil. He is behind the phony coup in the Ukriane and the looting. Friend of McCain and Nuland.
Soros "lying or propagandizing?" Say it isn't so! /sarc
I'm quite certain Obama will show Putin who the boss is. Right now Russia is playing right into Obama's plan. He is about to unleash hell and Kurt Russell is coming with him.
Cool! I hope he wears that eye patch.
Nope. He'll be sporting a mustache, wearing a wide brimmed hat, a western bow tie and be packing a large single action revolver.
A Gallows Tie with the Hangman's Knot would be more appropriate...
Best-Movie-Ever...
I'm your huckleberry.........
You left out the /sarc tag, so you must be serious. No need to call Kurt, Oblamo has Chuck Norris on speed dial. /jk
Nah, /sarc is for those who fear down votes. I prefer to watch the idiotmeter stack up.
Great. He thinks he will be around 25 years from now.
Soros?
I'm ambivalent about Soros. He's seems to have a nearly unlimited ability
to make money and has gone on to other playpens.
Because he's not a kneejerk conservative and promotes policies(and people)
who impinge on your more limited money making skills, you hate him.
He seems to have a more realistic world view than most of you.
I thought that was Hitlary! Oh shit, need to lay off the vodka...
Um, no.. the resemblance is remarkable.
What you need are a few more doubles to cleanse your mind of the images.
Can someone who works near Soros please find a short piece of piano wire and make a necklace. He will be celebrated.
A Garrotte Tie...Hmmmm...Not a bad idea.
She won't be here in 10 years, she has brain cancer. It's on the internet and in the Enquirer so it must be true.
I'm with Fred, the Enquirer says what the MSM won't, so the Cancer story is true.
Hillary's name is close to Adolph's. Before she starts campaigning she'll have to go through alcohol rehab.
Soros, you mean the kind of Freedom your friends and kinsmen at the Fed have been peddling for the last 100 yrs?
Fail!
"My Foundation Are Conspiring Against Him"?
FU GS Sideways
Forget about Soros,
Read what he said and think about the Putin Mancrush team here at ZH.
With such emotions, it diminishes the ability of people to think rationally
There's no Putin mancrush here at ZH, purely because some people wish to show the argument from the Russian side by quoting a few article from RT or Russian Pravda. Not when we are total immersed in CNN, CNBC, Reuters, Bloomberg, WaPo, WSJ, blah, blah, blah... In terms of the actions of both men on the world stage, most folks on ZH view Putin the same as they view Obama... There's really not that much difference in terms of their actions. But it does seem that whilst one man is playing chess, the other is playing tiddly winks.
Soros: talking his book and singing like the good globalist canary he is.
When you view everything he says from the globalist angle, you realise that when he says "Europe may not survive", what he actually means is that "Brussels" may not survive or the European Union may not survive..Good riddence. Europe will survive just fine with or without the parasite that is the EU. It is Europa or Brussels or the EU that won't. I love the veiled threat that Europe "will not survive 25 years of stagflation". What? Without Brussels? Hahaha...What a clown.
And "Putin's blind spot" about "people do believe in freedom" is perhaps the same as the EU's blind spot? Hypocrisy at its finest.
Keep talkin' ya book Mr Schwartz, we wanna hear from your own mouth, more of the globalist agenda. From this hit interview, we now know that Russia is a target on the globalist agenda. As if that's a relevation??? </sarc> It's no secret that the plans for the encirclement of Russia & China are still in full swing. That Europe will be sacrificed at the alter of 25 years of stagflation, if it doesn't do what it's told, and vote integrate in order complete & finalise the Brussels takeover project. And that Central Banks are not doing enough to further the process of taking total control.
One final thing. The comment about Russia "emerging" as a rival to the European Union. Notice a few things. Firstly, Russia has ALWAYS been a rival to Europe. Since the Vikings discovered the Russian river system, and started mixing with the local Slavic population to form what we now know as modern Russia. The rivalry is not a recent phenomenon. Secondly, Soros does not mention that Russia is a rival to Europe...no...he says it is a rival to the European Union...a bastard representation of Europe...that's rather revealing...Thanks again Mr. Schwartz.
The globalist agenda Soros is pushing shines through in everything he says.
Soros mentions Japan as going through 25 years of stagnation and in the same breath says that the EU will go the same route because it is not "...integrated enough..."
Hello, anyone home? Japan is one of the most "...integrated..." nations on this earth - if "integration" is what leads to break stagnation, Japan should have broken out decades ago. More integration for EU is certainly no remedy for "stagnation", just an excuse to further the NWO agenda...
I'm glad Soros credits people with "believing" in freedom. Note he didn't actually claim they HAVE freedom, even though the highly "integrated" Western MSM propaganda apparatus bombards them constantly, assuring them they are really "free", and that Soros is pushing "democracy".
The only "freedom" the sheeple have are in the choices offered to them at the store...
Any Soros interview is just an excuse to push the NWO...
Dunno about invasion, but with the recent ambassador recall from Qatar...
Now, check out this article:
"The Country That Makes Saudi Arabia Look Good" (Ouch? That hurts.)
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-12/the-country-that-makes-...
Over time I've become convinced Qatar is just a conduit for NWO/CIA black ops...
Things are falling apart and all are running to get in position for when the whole game implodes and what they can grab and fight over. It's amazing Soros said what he did, he didn't even say anything about the US. In fact I think the US will also go into a stagflation scenario for decades if not longer.
dear john galt. youve been posting on here a few times. your website to looks suspiciously suspicious.
it's registered through domains by proxy and so the oh so insightful posts on your site seem to be coming from vapor.
who are you?
are you possibly a 'leaker'/'idea tester' that wants to see what the political reactions are to the ideas on that site as a testbed for them? i have no clue. but your shit smells like dishonest analysis , the opposite of 'disinterested' .
i would wager there's some angle one way or another behind your postings here of that link to your site. i bet you post that link at other globalist conspiracy sites as well to test out that idea.
In defense of johngaltfla, his posts (on a different site) are the ones that woke me up (in summer of 2007) to the impending economic tsunami about to hit, and for that I am very much in his debt.
Thanks johngaltfla!
"Putin, Soros worries, "has a very different idea of what a society should be like... he has a blind spot - he believes people can be manipulated and cannot resist.""
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No shit, Soros!
Then why do you pour millions of dollars into Obozo who is doing the same damn thing to America?
Methinks you are the one with a "blind spot" ol' Georgie!
These are exactly the White House talking points.
Now you know who is really in charge of Obama's teleprompter ...
Barry's a dummy. Look close and you'll see Soros' fist up his ass moving his lips.
Agreed. He's nothing but a miserable sock pupet.
Shoot, I thought the beast of Revelation was in charge of the teleprompter. On the other hand they may not be exclusive concepts, hmmm.
No shit. The f'head actually said people believe in freedom ?!?!? I wonder if he thought the same thing when he turned people into the Nazis to be taken away to concentration camps or when he funded the NSA or when he funded all the OFA and all their pushes to repeal virtually the entire Bill of RIghts. Stalin is keeping this guy's reserved spot in hell warm until he gets there in person.
"Putin has a very different idea of what a society should be like. He believes that people can be manipulated"
Sure. Unlike Mario Draghi, Jose Barroso, Angela Merkel, or Dear Leader Obama...
Let's stick them all in a big burlap sack and play pinata.
His blind spot is anyone close to him. These fuckers sleep upside down with their eyes open and can't trust anyone. They are usually driven insane.
I agree Putin has a blind spot - he doesn't seem to be targeting the head of the octopus, he's going after the direct provocation. At most he's targeting one of the arms.
He's doing the IMF's bidding. Putin is no better than the rest of them. No dictator/thief is better than the next.
It is proven that they can be manipulated by the Red Team/Blue Team bullshit. They are just as easily manipulated by the Bear/Eagle bullshit. They just do not see it.
Putin, Soros worries, "has a very different idea of what a society should be like... he has a blind spot - he believes people can be manipulated and cannot resist."
Gee, what a coincidence! Soros and Putin agree on something. Soros is just jealous because, at the moment, Putin is outdoing (out "Sorosing") him.
He has been doing his evil shit in eastern Europe with the oligarchs since the fall of the USSR. He and his tribe.
Soros believes people can be manipulated and won't even know it if the integrated MSM propaganda apparatus do their job...
Democracy? in the EU? you have to be kidding.
"Putin, Soros worries, "has a very different idea of what a society should be like... he has a blind spot - he believes people can be manipulated and cannot resist." That's not the case according to Soros, who exclaims "people do believe in freedom.""
But...but... compared to Obama & the general population of western leaders, Putin just looks like a defender of freedom & democracy and a keeper of peace. When Obozo was determined to bomb Syria, it's Putin who stepped in and prevented the war/bombing. Whereas Bush Jr invaded a country for false & purely made up reasons, Putin merely placed his army there to ensure a democratic process (referendum) go properly -- admittedly Putin has his own motives, but still. And who is funding and arming the terrorists in Syria? Right.
Now the warmongers (McCain & several other senators) went to Ukraine to prevent a referendum, defender of democracy they say? Right. Flawlessly Orwellian.
putin using his army to secure his southern border, now there's an idea, so 19th century, if only we had such leaders in us of a. that implies that putin sees russia first NWO union punks here well they see what's in it for me?
Soros. Great investor.
His philosophy could very well lead to world war.
No George...you don't know what's best for a country or the world. You're a rich cunt that should get on your oversized yaught and sail into the sunset.
He (soros) most likely will leave to go somewhere underground after he hears this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOd41mG8dPU
And maybe most definitely after he (soros) sees how many people know all this is just another money making war profiteers scam, and that they are also expecting this crash/martial law/war scheme to kill the once great country of the once was free, and brave.
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/12/which-false-flag-event-will-be-...
Fuck you Soros, die already. And take Warren with you.
I think he had a MAJOR, MAJOR senior moment there for a second. I was really wondering if he was gonna make it.
and Kissenger, and both Clintons, and Von RompeyPumpy.... fuck, those globalist fucks never seem to die!
"And take Warren with you."
The scumbags can keep nice and warm where their going.
OT: Another one bites the dust.
http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-throws-self-in-front-of-train-in-fin...
Quicker than 8 taps with a nailgun. Wonder if he was 'rail-roaded'?
That's till my favorite with a close second being the guy who cimmitted suicide by drowning himself in the toilet. Suicide via assassination is all the rage these days.
I take a Yellen and drown her in the toilet everyday. The flush removes the stink. What is so special about that?
Me thinks he was nailed using a nailgun to the wooden stays across the tracks.
As soon as I saw this I thought of that scene from House of Cards where Underwood pushed Zoe in front of the DC Metro.
what a scumbag hypocrite. as the troika destroys the very fabric of european nations like greece and spain by sucking the lifeblood out of them so creditors like soros can live as the undead, he has the temerity to talk about freedom and democracy....
Kito - that is lame. those lazy greeks and spaniards should get off their asses and start working!!!
Here bitch, choke on this
Nosferatu incarnate. "Hey George, let's have dinner over a beer and a stake..." Die already, you evil fuckstick...
what a sac of shit
Shouldn't Soros and Buffet hang out talking about tax policy with becky quick bringing the refreshments during a national footbal game?
They should hang out alright like from a lamp post.
An oligarch commenting on oligarchs.
Popcorn at the ready...lol.
Why is anyone listening to this scumbag. He'd prostitute his own mother to make another fast buck.
ROT in Peace Soros.
This monster has single-handedly caused indirectly the DEATHS of several hundred thousand " HUMAN LIVES"!
Soros is "Bad News" he closed his exchange traded company 2 years ago because of investigations into inappropriate use of funds.
Exactly.
FUCK YOU SOROS, AND YOUR BAND OF LITTLE SOROS DOUCHEBAG HEDGE FUND SHIT-EATIN FUCKS.
I wish I could say that to him face to face...the fucker
My skin crawls when reading Soros. He represents the very worst of America. He openly uses his billions for social and political manipulation, drowning out our voices in the process. And he has the fucking nerve to talk about democracy & freedom?
He is not an American by birth or in any sense of the word as far as I am concerned. He's about as legitimate as the mulatto in the WH...and no, that's not a racist statement, it's fact.
Wow, not afraid to go there huh Krisp?
Pull your head out of your ass and quit talking like an idiot. American, black, Jewish or polka dot, a fascist is a fascist.
I hope those are your blood splatters, you POS, the only thing pulled will be a cactus out of your ass Splattered.
If you're talking about Obie, I didn't say he wasn't a fascist, I just described him per the definition of what he is. But he was elected as our first 'Black' president. The people who label me racist for NOT voting for the first 'Black' president can't answer the question of which side I'm being racist against; his Black or his White ancestry.
The PC term is "Halfrican".
Why is this cunt talking abouit stress tests when the bank can mark their assets to a notioanl value. I mean are we all fucking retarded beyond any form of salvage.
Referenda!
Putin should suggest that G-7 nations have referenda on their governments making such histories as these
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
WELL-APPARENT to their citizens!
1. The financial crisis in Europe never ended.
2. Yes, Putin does have a very different idea of what a society should look like. (Hint - it's not the same as Soros' vision)
3. Yes, Russia is a rival to the EU. And the EU should definitely be worried.
"He believes that people can be manipulated. He actually has got a blind spot. It’s beyond his comprehension that people can spontaneously resist"
Way too rich! What a classic example of Yiddish Projection and the Double Standard mentality that gives them away like a raisin in a rice bowl.
Sorry folks, but just reading the text here... Soros is right. Don't think just because he is a predator that he can only lie.
He's way more than a predator. With gems like "...And that’s not the case, people do believe in freedom. " punctuating his blatant propaganda he is taking on the dimension of Orwell's O'Brien...and Europe gets to be Winston in Room 101.
Um, how can sticking together with nothing solve the problem of having nothing?
Do you not understand that it's these "arrangements" that allow TPTB to continue to rule (and they could give a flip about everyone else)?
And, they make up the stress tests, so how can they really fail? They're dragging things along wearing everyone out while they continue to hang on to their perches. The future absolutely says that there will be no growth to fuel their game- them pretending otherwise just goes to show how we've bought into that game.
He and McCain are up to their eyeballs in the evil and treeachery in Syria and the Ukraine with the tribe. Soros is scum. He takes freedom away to line his pockets and those of his tribe.
(SOROS THOUGHT BUBBLE: "And the remainder shall be named Sorosylvania!...Or perhaps...The Nuland! No, no...too big...she's only getting a Nazi enclave")
Which freedom is Soros referring to?
The freedom to manipulate markets?
To destroy currencies?
The freedom of the few to decide for the many?
Putin is no saint and Russia is no paradise, but Soros' vision is one of hell.
First...glad to hear the financial crisis is past us...even if only Germany is growing.
It occurs to me that any debtor nation will have trouble whether ther is a financial union or not. Socialism will always lead there EU or no EU. Finally the Euro can exist as a currency even if most of the countries that use it don't behave. Look at how many States are broke and yet the dollar is fine...or would have been fine if those same states had not voted for MO MONEY.
That Europe is facing 25 years of economic stagnation is exactly why they're so desperate to grab hold of as much of the former Soviet Union as possible.
Didn't this p.o.s. help the Nazis round up his co-religionists?
Itz coming George.
He's a Luciferian, the Nazi's didn't round up too many of those, they focused on the Jewish, Zionist, Queer, Retard and Roma faiths.
What I want to know - Is he the Emperor or just a Sith?
debtors bitchez
What was he saying 10 years ago?
hahaha, people believe in freedom fries maybe. schmidt of google laid down the chinese gauntlet to america, forget the bills of rights, and we'll give you a say in the economy. hahaha, like we have anything to say about that now.... the only thing we can get out of all this is that the global liars are not yet on the same page.
It was 8 to 12 taps with a nail gun, at least thats what the coroner said. That dude had one hell of a pain tolerance I guess.
and what of the blood of the innocents cleaned from this demons hands,his cock and his feet.
the deaths of a thousand or more in eyes wide shut blood ritual.
the deaths of millions in rothschild strategems.
and what of the babies blood
pumping in and out of his heart pure vanity for lizard longevity.
fresh blood is the key without it this thing would wither and die painfully.
Good God Tony, your thought provoking posts suggest you've witnessed such evil.
How do you carry it?
Oh? So all those EU/GS banker bureaucrats that were placed in office in Italy and Greece and other places. That was freedom?
Putin, Soros worries, "has a very different idea of what a society should be like... he has a blind spot - he believes people can be manipulated and cannot resist." That's not the case according to Soros, who exclaims "people do believe in freedom."
IS HE FUCKING KIDDING? Or is he projecting here. Aren't all of his foundations and shit that he pours his billions in to for the purpose of manipulating people and limiting freedom?????
What a turd.
..."CIA, my foundation"...
Oh my but how amazing it is that he came out and said what he just said! Absolutely astounding!!!
Have you noticed how usually Soros, Zbig and Kissinger are masters at articulating "the opposing side's position" when the outcome is NOT favorable to their interests? But not this time.
He's pissed and he's showing his teeth because he's losing lots of money and the human resources that he employed to take this Country down are just walking away in total disgust.
When will this ghastly motherfucker shut his god damned "pie hole" and die?!
Someone should have had the guts in the Agency he quotes and uses regularly to take him out long ago given his track record and the damage he's caused not only to this Country but everywhere else he's put his "footprint".
TPTB aren't desiring to bring down the system that's given them their power. It's ALL about desperation. If you're following, which is what THEY want, then you're not likley attacking: they could care less if you die in the caravan that's trailing them (but they're not looking to kill the system that creates that following).
The EU is fucked BECAUSE IT HAS NO RESOURCES. Soros et al don't want to talk about such things because it becomes it's pretty easy to project the outcome (which they've known for a LONG time).
Agree with you Seer
But he's losing on many many more fronts than just the EU, and what I found interesting is that his usually reserved and cool demeanor he carries when he and his money is having difficulty getting what it wants, certainly wasn't present in this interview.
He's scared to death Germany may walk away from the EU and join that fellow that doesn't understand "freedom and democracy"...
Guarantee you that Germany may be very close to making a deal that would disrupt the U.S./NATO apple cart especially if the U.S. tries something deliberate and foolish like another 9/11!
Yeah, you're likely correct.
It is all founded in desperation, pretty sure of that.
I think that a lot of it is just smoke to distract as things will crumble regardless of what they would want to do. It's that resource shortage thing... and, I just cannot believe that folks such as Soros don't know what's going on in this regard. It's all a game to them, who "wins." Problem is that when the eventual winner is crowned the game ends.
At any rate, it's all heading in the direction that I'd said it would a LONG time ago, and that's that there wouldn't be any NWO because consolidation takes resources and energy that just won't be available, and that instead we'd have fracturing along geographic regions. I could easily have been $$ rich had I wanted to run down these bets, but I would rather sleep well at night (and earn a more honest living- and be happier).
Even though they occasionally love to kill one another on a large scale Germany and Russia have traditionally been very aligned.
There are no incentives for Germany to stay in the EU.
As for the energy they have everything they could ever want from Russia's border, so why would they be stupid enough to mess with having it all turned off, and shipped to them from North America with the probability of a conflict on top of it brought on by the U.S. that is several thousand miles further away?
Having said that if Germany were to make a very public statement with something other than an homage to their Lord and protector that 9/11 event could very well be made in it's own backyard given it's track record.
Ever notice how this scum seems to fall within the 2% with regards to longevity?
Gee, must be the best health care in the world, eh?
..."CIA, my foundation"...
Truly amazing, as were the next 5 words...are conspiring to threaten him [Putin]
It's as if he slipped the slide word 'conspiring' in to both mock the undeniable yet hidden facts and continue the sedation of the sheeple asleeple
Queue up the "I wish Soro was on a slab with a toe tag" rants.
Soros is a one of the biggest scumbags of the elites. KGB should put a bounty on you. Rot in hell
"KGB should put a bounty on you. Rot in hell"
Mr. Putin has had a arrest warrant on Mr. Soros for some time now.
Georgy porgy puddin' pie
Financially raped Great Britain and made her cry
When Vladimir Putin came out to play
Georgy porgy ran away
http://occupywallst.org/forum/vladimir-putin-russia-issues-international...
meh. I think the French alone could take on Russia and win here.
Obviously "before there was Europe there was France."
I do not see what Russia "as doing" as anything Europe can't handle on its own actually.
Europe doesn't need a history lesson...least of all from me...but the purpose of NATO was to make sure naked aggression (Hitler) would never happen on the Continent again.
When last I checked the "problems" occurred in Kiev...not in Crimea. (that's two huge strikes right there in my book.)
Since Russia herself has no intention on "coming back into the fold"...nor it would appear of the West "relinquishing her grip" (70 years of peaceful settlement of disputes plus opening of borders plus the free movement of capital and labor across those borders does that to people) says to me that "Europe" might start off slow here...but once they get moving they'll be pretty much impossible to stop.
If someone can explain to me what diplomatic avenues Mother Russia can avail themselves to not just now but going forward for say...the next 100 years...i'm all ears.
At first glance the only friend i see them having right now is....ironically...the USA (aka "their last friend")...and it's the USA that's leading the attack here. (on that we can all agree...yes, yes?)
Maybe Syria.
Might take a while before Syria can "return the favor" though.
This whole thing doesn't just defy belief...it defies disbelief even.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse
"dumped by Disney...certified Platinum with 1.7 million albums sold soon thereafter."
Something weird about people who wear masks tho...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
wild eyes seem more than enough....
Eventually resources will win out over ideology.
"Give us your tired, your hungry, and your poor" (or whatever it is) Was possible not because of ideology but because there was an abundance of resources (and TPTB needed slaves to build their empire).
Soros is wrong in stating that Europe is going to stagnate for 25 years. Europe has no future now, let alone beyond 25 years, because it had no resources.
Russia has leverage only because it has resources (and revenue from resources enables one to build up one's military). This reality, of one country rich in resources being able to call the shots, is not new...
Pu-leaze- the EU couldn't take down a tin pot dictator like MoMar w/o US help- and what makes people believe the EU will risk cutting off their Nat Gas and oil spigot from Russia?
Soros is projecting his own acts/beliefs upon Putin. Soros "has a very different idea of what a society should be like... he has a blind spot - he believes people can be manipulated and cannot resist." Soros is a bigger danger to freedom in the US than Putin
Soros = shitbag.
They do believe in the EU freedom??? Ya gotta be kidding me...and said by George Soros???
Enough............
"people can be manipulated and cannot resist."
"people do believe in freedom."
There is no logical relation between these statements. Believing in freedom is in no way mutually exclusive with being manipulated and/or unable to resist (manipulation, coercion). I'd go so far as to say most people who believe in freedom are manipulated and generally do not, will not resist (whether they are aware of the manipulation or not). File that one under cognitive dissonance, pragmatism, and prioritizing 'is' over 'ought'.
I do believe Russians have a concept of freedom, actually multiple conceptions, falling under the general term ???????. Russians' conceptions of freedom are no more or less vague, self-contradictory, ill-defined, nebulous, and in practice subordinate(d) to any number of other concerns, than those of any given Europeans, Americans, or anyone else.
A "former" KGB/FSB agent and leader of a nation doesn't understand that people can resist? Did he sleep through the Chechen wars, which demonstrated both spontaneous and quite extraordinary resistance in a situation far more hopeless than that of the EU or Ukraine?
The "trick" is with the words. "Believe in freedom" is not the same as being able to "experience freedom." Disney wants you to "believe" in all sorts of things. It's the age-old trick of having people want things but never allowing them to actually have them (or to the extent that is suggested).
From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Isaac_Asimov
Moyers: What happens to the idea of the dignity of the human species if population growth continues at its present rate?
Asimov: It will be completely destroyed. I will use what I call my bathroom metaphor. Two people live in an apartment and there are two bathrooms, then both have the freedom of the bathroom. You can go to the bathroom anytime you want, and stay as long as you want, for whatever you need. Everyone believes in the freedom of the bathroom. It should be right there in the Constitution. But if you have 20 people in the apartment and two bathrooms, no matter how much every person believes in the freedom of the bathroom, there is no such thing. You have to set up times for each person, you have to bang at the door, "Aren't you through yet?" and so on.
The same way democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more people there are the less one individual matters.
Issac Asimov, quoted in A World of Ideas by Bill Moyers (May 26, 1989), p. 276
george soros working for the illuminati
He is part of it.
Doesnt work for them. He gives orders and provides illegal funds ( gained through crooked manipulation) to carry out the orders
Yes, Europe's terminal endpoint is measured in months, with the US and Japan shortly thereafter. Them are the cards. They be what the be.
Oh, and a Big FUCK YOU to you George!
So, now the credit crisis is OVER?. And Putin is the enemy of Europe?. And absolutely no mention of US????
Nice US propaganda agent.
Someone should ask Soros what he'd do if his country was being encircled by a "foe," and it's the intent of that "foe" to erradicate his country. Maybe, just maybe, this is a defensive move more than an offensive one (one premised on acquisition).
"Putin has a very different idea of what a society should be like. He believes that people can be manipulated. He actually has got a blind spot. It’s beyond his comprehension that people can spontaneously resist."
Wait . . . so he's wrong? Thank God. That's a relief. Anyway, what time's Gladiators on? Am I missing it? Whew I'm so glad we're free!
I guess I'm not the only one "on board" who thinks Soros should be carefully pulled off the skin of humanity and quashed between two rocks.