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China Warns West Not To Enforce Sanctions Against Russia
"Sanctions could lead to retaliatory action, and that would trigger a spiral with unforeseeable consequences," warns China's envoy to Germany adding that "we don't see any point in sanctions." On the heels of Merkel's warning that Russia risked "massive" political and economic damage if it did not change course, Reuters reports ambassador Shi Mingde urged patience saying "the door is still open" for diplomacy (though we suspect it is not) ahead of this weekend's referendum. Russia's Deputy Economy Minister Alexei Likhachev responded by promising "symmetrical" sanctions by Moscow. So now we have China joining the fray more aggressively.
China's top envoy to Germany has warned the West against punishing Russia with sanctions for its intervention in Ukraine, saying such measures could lead to a dangerous chain reaction that would be difficult to control. In an interview with Reuters days before the European Union is threatening to impose its first sanctions on Russia since the Cold War, ambassador Shi Mingde issued the strongest warning against such measures by any top Chinese official to date.
"We don't see any point in sanctions," Shi said. "Sanctions could lead to retaliatory action, and that would trigger a spiral with unforeseeable consequences. We don't want this."
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Using her [Merkel's] toughest rhetoric since the crisis began, she warned in a speech in parliament on Thursday that Russia risked "massive" political and economic damage if it did not change course in the coming days.
Russia's Deputy Economy Minister Alexei Likhachev responded by promising "symmetrical" sanctions by Moscow. But Shi urged patience, saying the door for talks should remain open even after a referendum on Sunday in which Ukraine's southern region of Crimea could vote to secede and join Russia. Merkel and other western leaders have denounced the referendum as illegal and demanded that it be canceled.
"We still see a chance to avoid an escalation. The door to talks is still open. We should use this possibility, also after the referendum," Shi said.
After the Referendum, so when Russia is already in control. More importantly, China joins the fray with threats over West's sanctions. Perhaps BTFWWIIID will make a re-appearance any minute now.
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no wonder the $USD is about to break support. are you currency guys seeing this too?
Clear East // West divide appearing now.
This is all starting to feel like an itchy and scratchy cartoon.
Sanctions could lead to retaliatory action, and that would trigger a spiral with unforeseeable consequences. We don't want this."
If the economy goes south as a result of economic sanctions, China has a lot to fear... The PCC's power can only hold as long as the economy is good. Should that change and social unrest in a 1.3b people country will quickly become unmanageable...
Countries don't have friends, they have interests. China is no friend to Russia
Wi no wan nofu king san xiun.
Boris - Your Chinese is spot on. That KGB training paid off very well.
Putin is playing Tsar Nicholas II in this 100 year sequel
Cue 99 red balloons
You got it.. In German (live):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMNG86Tlvg
Better yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wMeOSED5W8
Hmmm, I don't know about that. Nicholas 2.0 was a bit of a bungler, Putin is many things but he is a pretty sharp guy.
Oh yeah???
Well, um, well, bring on Putin because we have Moochelle and Valerie who are tough guys!
And don't forget Hitlery!
"And don't forget Hitlery!"
He is here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2is-TusKeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLgFvpNW7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnwHxIGY_HM
I don't think so...you need to look at that history again...however barry is doing a great Wilhelm II.
If Putin plays the role of the king, then Obama plays the role of jester.
"Wi no wan nofu king san xiun."
Yeah, you are right, Boris, but if Obama could xi to nan toki holy fok, it would come out fine for us
social unrest is not in the interest o the chinese people, specially in rural areas where everything works well treacled. and cities are much too cosmopolitan, loaded with corporate types.
There's always a short-term cure for social unrest: war. The Chi-coms will sacrifice all to remain in power. They also won't let Russia go down and be the last remaining power facing ZATO. I hope the game theorists of ZATO have a "10th man" in the room questioning the glorious plan to rule the world, 'cause the variables at play have become dangerously unpredictable.
War is actually one of the traditional medicines used to treat Social Unrest...
huh... are the 1% using it every time they are caught?
No wonder , Afghan war still on since ......2001
social unrest is not in the interest o the chinese people, specially in rural areas where everything works well treacled. and cities are much too cosmopolitan, loaded with corporate types.
China has an internal market of over 1 billion people ready to consume.
US doesn't ! However, consumer spending still makes about 70% of US GDP... so its economy sucks badly. They (the West) are masking the economic depression, by issuing boatloads of fresh money (currency AND credit) backed up by NOTHING...
The West is totally fucked, once Russia and China (and maybe India) start asking for gold for their resources / products / services.
Game over !
Clear East // West divide appearing now.
Sounds like Biggie vs. Tupac.
I think it sounds more like Bugs Bunny versus Elmer Fudd. And a hint: We're not the wascally wabbit.
"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting viowaters of intewnational waw."
It's regional positioning, more emphasis on physical location than ideology (though individual areas themselves are more likely more closely aligned to a particular ideology). The "NWO" stuff is less physical, virtual.
Keep heading east until your hat floats China, we have printers and we have the Bernanake, I mean the Yellen.
The FedRes can't print anything but dollars.
Thats the the US's achilles heel, not UST's per se.
All the eastern axis needs to do is demand payment in a combo of Euros and gold,
and dollars will start flooding back to the US.
Nah. They are a part of a worldwide-banking-cartel. They can print anything except gold bricks.
Game theory suggests a different outcome.
The owners of the Cabal would rather keep some, rather than none.
yep
long audusd
short usdcad
short eurusd @1.3970
long swissie
oil to 92 (manipulated) then up and away
I close my long swissie at .8705 this morning.
Good luck with your short on the EURUSD. That one just broke through the descending trendline on the weekly. Evidentally you've hedged by going short USDCHF. It should get interesting when EURCHF gets around 1.20000. The trades get to be 99.9999% long and the RBS short.
I'm looking for a retrace to go long EURUSD.
Also long NZDUSD @ .8450 & short GBPUSD @ 1.6655.
I'm long CuPBCu, Tin, AuWAu
Two kids playing
1st kid............My dad's bigger than your dad
2nd kid...........How would you know......you've never met my dad!
1st kid...........Your mum said!
Got the feeling Barry will schedule a tee time many timezones away from DC just in case?
Finally China starts to talk. Very correct of them to support the Russian Federation.
A China warning? That should be worth a down day of at least 300 points.
This may be the opportunity for the long-silent Mr. Market to take the podium and finally explain to our dangerously depraved and incompetant Mr. O and his political clowns Valerie J., John K., Victoria N., Martin D., and their partisan 'American' and EU accomplices, just how reckless and dangerous is their gunboat diplomacy approach to foreign policy...they can't print their way out of this debacle, and their version of the fed's 'open mouth' policy is bringing us closer to war every time they talk.
I like to watch the market responce to this unfolding tragedy here:
http://www.investing.com/indices/us-30-futures-advanced-chart
Yes USD looks very week. Against EUR it has broken dawn its trendline going vack to 2008.
But USD could come back if the Ukrain-crises escalates...... That would also mean a big move down for stock marked.
Thank your mythological god for China, for postponing the kind of six-pointy flag of david, banker infested slag-heap of slavery we're all headed for. Thank non-existant god for the not-yet-overt forementioned slavery we are all enjoying in this age.
bullish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ruh Ro.......
Looks like the other players are ant'ing up into this poker match. Take your seats gentleman.
There are obviously some behind-the-scenes assholes who are goading the US into this mess.
It puts the sanctions on Putin or else it gets the hose again.
how many guesses does it take to nail who owns the U.S. congress...
OK, I'll bite. If it ain't the Isrealis it's the Saudis.
If it ain't the Saudis it's anyone who's got a buck.
Hahaha, Nope, It is USSK.
The Alpha-psychopaths?
Goading the US into this mess?
I think it's fair to assume that the US started this whole mess. Spreading "democracy" and inserting leaders that are easier to make deals with (neo-nazies in this case)
How fast the world forgot about the taped conversation with Victoria Nuland talking about who to insert as new leader. It somehow got twisted to be about the "F the EU" part. Masterly spin I might add.
My point is that the people we see as "in charge" of the US aren't actually in charge at all; they're owned by someone else and following orders from higher up.
They're errand boys, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.
Geopolitical clusterfucks are so much fun.
pods
Fun like eating and shitting razor blades indeed!
Until they become global thermonuclear clusterfucks.
Is Simon Black still selling land in Chile? Might have to look into that. ;-)
Remember when you were mocking him ?
He might have the last laugh, while grabbing your money... :-)
Not to worry, "WHOPPER" is close to determining this is a no win situation.
when India says they will pick sides then what will Brazil do?
Brazil and India are both cribbing about FED QE and currency war and want more voter rights in IMF that US refuses.
This Ruski/Ukraine stand-off could light a few matches between BRICS and US/EU, like dinosaurs on the rampage.
Jurassic Park !
For Brazil, Isn't it a longer trade route to China than to the US?
Brazil might be the odd man out...
Just saying, they will trade with the world's biggest market but maybe in other monies than USD...that is what financial war really comes down to.
Our produce but also our money...
This could trigger BRICs to exit the dollar, and then shit will really hit the fan.
China does not want to see sanctions period. Sanctions could be used on them! Sure, they could sell our Treasuries, and then we start the long process of NOT buying from them and re-tooling American industry. Their nightmare. Other than their other nightmares (demographics, pollution, debts).
DoChen - We have already started the long process of not buying from China. As to the re-tooling of Amerika, it is hard to retool when you are bankrupt ($17 T and counting). If a global reset happens, China is a big winner: new infrastructure, over a billion chinese consumers, stockpiled gold (rather than rehypothicated).
Once the host is dead the parasite has to exit which is what China will do when the US serves no further use. This is why the Rothchilds will put a billion dollars into Ukraine and leave Detroit in ruins.
Good luck with that one !
Business environment in US became downright poisonous over the last 10 years, or so...
I started (or helped start) three businesses in the USA. All three failed. The fourth was in Peru, some 23 years ago. The fourth one was the charm. Your comment has much merit, especially re small business.
Dochen,
My grand father and father aleays taught me if you are going to make a loss,write off
everything of dubious value.Maybe its that time for China , get rid of all the crap on the balance sheet
including their UST holdings.
Your father and grandfather taught you well. Eat the loss, do not let a loss become even more toxic as time goes by.
Indeed, from China´s viewpoint, it might be better just to get it over with, dump the Treasuries.
yes, +100,
China saying that ready to loss all her UST weeks ago.
It's not like it's hard to see how this will shape up.
China needs energy. Russia has it.
Europe needs energy. Europe is broke.
Russia and China share a border. US doesn't share a border with Europe. (neighbors; logistics [trade and military]).
My thoughts all along.
Are they truly that short sighted? Look who have been the engines of growth in the east. China and India, what would it take to turn the spiggots off toward Europe and open them to the east. While the US wallows in economic depression, and Europe freezes in the dark, Russia and the emerging markets, the BRIICSS take over as the economic engine of production for the rest of the world.
By the way, have you taken a close look at the labels on your food products of late? China, Vietnam, Malaysia, are rapidly taking over the US food supply. Your processed food ain't made in America anymore.
"Are they truly that short sighted?"
Hubris more than optics I think.
US lasers? PLA preparing to raise its deflector shields
Details on ships, planes searching for missing jet
US criticizes China's blocking Philippine ships
Saudi Arabia loaned Pakistan $1.5bn last month to shore up economy
Saudi Allies Have Few Economic Tools to Pressure Qatar
Two Saudis jailed for inciting protests, mocking rulers
Saudi Crown Prince Salman on state visit to China
“The US and Saudi Arabia truly share a strategic partnership that goes way back,” Brennan said. While there may have been “differences of views” over Iran, Syria and Iraq, the US-Saudi “relationship is on strong and solid ground.”
All clear
Yes, "Oil is thicker than Blood".
W/o KSA, you can kiss yer Petro-Dollar bye-bye, and with it the wealth, power and lifestyle of all the Neocons (Imperial-Zionists & Globalists), the Banksters and the MIC. They all stand or fall together. KSA could survive quite well w/o the Petro-Dollar, but not w/o the DOD to keep their populace under the Royal Thumb.
I suspect that, in the case of the Saudis, they haven't yet established a good deal with China. Not good to dump the US (and its protections for the royals) before hitching up to a new customer (and protector).
Ah, the monkey theory of geopolitics (don't let go of one branch until you've got hold of the next).
The US bully not getting its own way for a change. About time!
China and Russia hold the Gold card! Place economic sanctions against Russia at your own peril NATO!
Cornering the sociopathic, neocon lunatics in the US like that could be very dangerous. They might actually do the unthinkable.
True but it could give the Chinese the excuse to dump the dollar and who knows that might be what DC wants as it would wipe off the trillions that they owe.
No way DC wants that. The dollar has been proven to be the most potent weapon in the US arsenal. Also, much of the US standard of living is due to the reserve currency status of the Dollar. If the USD is dumped, there will be hell to pay for the US.
That the USD will die is not in question. The ONLY question is When.
I figure that a lot of this is preparation, a lot of psychological programming happening... (which is why I think that the US is in a better position than China to manage a crash [US has more of a headstart])
Well, there's 1 more question for those of us on another currency: will ours go before or after the USD & how will that affect our banks, our savings, our trade?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILKolTI1s50
Since when has DC cared about the US's standard of living? They are kleptocrats working either for their own self-interest or those of the bankster / MIC / ZIO / (insert favorite cabal here). If trashing the US economy fits their interests then they will trash away: NAFTA, MFN status for China, bailouts for TBTF, TPP, repeal of Glass Steagal, THE FED!!, etc. I could go on but you get the point.
So why you think US has all those underground hide aways, APCs, n FEMA camps...
Their hedged! Their short the USD.
Everything going according to their plans. Prep accordingly. This spring/summer is gonna be a dandy.
Translation: Mr. Obama, that's an awfully nice currency you've got there. It would be a shame of something bad were to happen to it. -Mr. Xi
Looks like the Capitalists are ganging up on the West! Could this be the end of socialism as we know it? Say it ain't so!
Yes, the end of socialism, but not at the hand of capitalists. The fascist sociopaths are engineering the New Feudal World Order. Kings & Queens pull the strings of nations, Lords run the economic and security state of those nations, and the Serfs are slaves to the debt they must take on for their meager existance of food, clothing, shelter, and now healthcare.
Dollar dump in 3..2..1..
I still don't understand why the Euro is up. It's no better that the dollar.
man its a trip watching how the MoneyChangers r attempting to strangle the march higher in the only 2 forms of real money by relentlessly attacking Silver...$21.50 is clearly the level they r futilely defending.... again, check the pattern in the charts over the last 3 days.... see anything?????
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html
U.S. Mint Silver Eagle Coins Sales and Silver in U.S. Dollars - Jan 2009 to March 2014 (Bloomberg)
February silver coin sales rose 11% yoy as prices fell 33% (see chart). Silver coin sales were down 22% from January. January produces sales spikes as collectors buy coins bearing the new year's date and bullion wholesalers secure their inventories of new year coins for the year ahead.
do or die for them. problem is, what they are up to is only getting more obvious to anyone paying attention. soon they will have to make it official policy, then the illusions end.
Yeah, when the curtain is swept back it's going to get ugly (TPTB have a lot of power to unleash).
It's crash the US dollar time!
Yellen's Federal Reserve hyper-inflate time.
Eastern Capitalist Pigs!
crap! this always happens when i skip a week buying ammo
...ambassador Shi Mingde urged patience saying "the door is still open" for diplomacy...
Translation: By all means your president should continue to draw "red lines" and please keep that ass-clown with the funny hair on TV....we love him, he's better than Baghdad Bob.
Dump US Treasuries in 3,2,1...
Tick Tock
Kaboom for the US dollar. It's about time.
This should be very worrisome for the fiat printers at the US Federal Reserve,
Once the US dollar dumping begins it will be very destructive. Bank holidays.
Yellen Charles Evans, William Dudley, Rosengren all print into a crashing dollar. Hyperinflate to save their Wall Street clan.
What is the US dollar backed by?
NOTHING!!!!!!
CIA, NSA, military.
So if I buy some chickens on craigslist with my silver bullion the CIA, NSA, military will invade my house?
It's never about HOW you trade. It's about whether you give them "their" cut or not.
Well obvously in my case I can only pay taxes in eggs.
FDA but yes.
bu...bu...bu...but full faith and credit of the instmatution of treasury gubbermint of... of... nuh uhhhh!
:-)
AAAAAAAAAAnd, IT'S TIME.
Make them a simple, easy offer. Ukraine can be left alone & all aid can be dropped forever to... Israel :) Watch 'em squirm then.
why squirm?
The conversation would turn to the following:
"OH Americans dropped support to us? No problem" *ring ring ring* "Hello, Mister Putin? Yeah, we have more than 30% of our country ethnically Russian. You're move."
The American hubris that other countries "need" us is insane.
You're missing the point. A large number of law-makers & media pundits are dual citizens with the offending party.
MDB, I like your reasoning. The choice is certainly a Jewish dilemma: free ham.
Miffed;-)
Rollout of the East's gold trade settlement system will result if sanctions applied. Game set match for $US.
How do you figure that one out?
Hillary retaliates with a lap dance threat to China's entire leadership for backing the Ruskies!
gonna need more...............popcorn
well I recommend the Orville Redenbacher - fuckng delicious - and you can get the "fat bastard" size at Costco
already shelved up here!!!!
Fuckng delicious gonna kill you.
Try some Amish County Popcorn. No GMO's (though you have to take the effort to cook in a pan/pot)
http://www.amishcountrypopcorn.com/
Eurasia & Eastagia VS Oceania round 3
I'm worried already, Oceania troops can destroy Amurican tanks with their bare hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZeD40Rg8A
Chinese don't like NATO encroachment either?
N ever A T hreat O rganization
Tell that to Kaddafi!
....except to defenceless unarmed vulnerable isolated regimes!
Let's see how the tough guys do against the big boys!
Well, I wish that were the case...
NATO is used to take-over a country after special ops have done their dirty work. I understood how this all worked after wondering what was up in Macedonia some 12+ years ago. Interesting study.
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/chuss9.html
http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/DA25Ag01.html
ALWAYS think "resources." Divide and conquer...
I'd be worried about my personal safety if my name were Franklin Ferdinand, right about now.
China plus Russia could CRUSH the dollar.
Horsehead Kerry and Meo-Mix Obama need to STFU.
It's not so simple as that.
Who are Russia and China going to trade with when both the US and Europe are toast? I've stated that they'll trade between each other, but that's a bit precarious: keep in mind that the West will continue to sabatoge things; AND, resources are limited- there's an end.
At least now we know why the US Gov't has buying up all that ammunition!
get more gold when it is still cheap!!!
get more gold when it is still cheap!!!
The US have well and truly fucked up here...unreal
Victoria (Nuland) Nudleman Kagan would be hurt if she heard you saying that!
No big deal to our overlords. They can always send us shabbos goyim to do their fighting for them. Our lives aren't worth anything according to the Chosen Ones.
No big deal to our overlords. They can always send us shabbos goyim to do their fighting for them. Our lives aren't worth anything according to the Chosen Ones.
If so, then come a knocking at my door. The only answer they'll get is bullets through the door. Yes, I will fret for the poor door later, if I live long enough. Either way, it will be a good day. Anyway I'm too old to draft but if they come for my kids, I will die (no fear there, I'm too old). My kids don't belong to them, they are mine, and I will die before they can take them, and as far as I can deduce, my kids are standing with me, shoulder to shoulder, daughter reloading for her brother and I. The reason is that I counter-educated them through their schooling in the public school system, which they are close to finishing. They both understand political fools, banker crooks, control freaks, propaganda on the main stream news, and are quite adept at finding the best info that the net has to offer. They turn me on to new websites all the time. Wasn't it Ben Franklin that said "We must indeed, hang together, or surely we will all hang seperately?"
Make sure that you teach them well about the Jews. I would have them read Henry Ford's writings for sure.
I all of you have forgotten, China would like to be treated like Russia when time comes to take more control of the west leaning Taiwan. That too will come to head very shortly, with the Japanese incursions into Chinese boundary waters and the U.S. moving ships around coastal waters.
China doesn't want nuclear war? Well obviously that means we should start nuclear war! America #1!
Could be the black swan the Chinese are looking for to reset the economy. American aggression caused us to sell the dollar and economy crashed. Blame the west and get those islands!
Do they not know the Kenyan won the Nobel Peace Prize?
Futures down 220 from the top: anybody seen any profit taking rallies along the way? There hasn't even been a rally yet on the 15' chart.
Hope our politicized, opportunistic 'gunboat diplomacy' administration and their 'American' and EU accomplices have their arms, uniforms and supplies together and are ready to walk the walk...
http://www.investing.com/indices/us-30-futures-advanced-chart
Not to worry. The Tribal Neo-Cons are long Puts!
This entire Ukraine fiasco clearly shows how deeply desperate Obama is to start yet another war.
But he really screwed up this time. He decided to take on Russia. If he wanted to finally win one before leaving office he shouldv'e picked on someone a whole lot smaller.
Kenya is out of the question!
When will people understand that the POTUS has little say over the long-term goals and strategies (set down by TPTB)?
Oh Yeah!!!! Just wait until the Kenyan gets back from his March Break holiday in Florida and then u will see what happens!
Fucking infantile.
Oh, wait! A member for 2 weeks. Now I get it!
China if you want to impress me...find the 777....
Here is a clue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
So Silver is down and Gold and Oil haven't moved for hours...that's really natural
Russia is the world's largest crude oil exporter (SaudiArabia is second)! Keep thinking, when you talk about sanctions!
"Symmetrical" sanctions by Russia could be:
- reduction of Crude export volume by a tiny 1 Mio. Barrel p/d (total daily export north 9,1 Mio. barrel) --> Result: ballooning world crude prices, which would destroy the western stock markets and economies
- walking away from the "petro-dollar" system --> Result: very serious problems for the US$
By the way: Russia has ZERO national debt. Russia is the biggest “European” Car market. Russia has a flat tax on personal income of 18%!