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Merkel Warns Putin Of "Massive Damage", Russia Continues Piling Troops, Pro-Russia Oligarch Arrested, Gazprom Speaks

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It's crunch time for Ukraine.

With just over two days to go until the Crimea referendum, all the actors are stepping up the diplomacy to a fever pitch in a desperate attempt to talk Putin out of formally annexing the peninsula following results which are well-known in advance will show the population's allegiance to mother Russia. But while the generic rhetoric is well-known, one surprising place of escalation over the past 24 hours has been Germany's Angela Merkel, who for the most part had been willing to stay on the sidelines in the war of words, has suddenly stepped up her own phrasing, and warned Moscow on Thursday that it risked "massive" political and economic damage if it refused to change course on Ukraine, saying Western leaders were united in their readiness to impose sanctions on Russia if necessary.

Reuters reports that the chancellor, using her strongest language since the start of the crisis and removing any suspicion that Germany might seek to avoid a confrontation with President Vladimir Putin, said his actions would lead to "catastrophe" for Ukraine and much more.

"We would not only see it, also as neighbours of Russia, as a threat. And it would not only change the European Union's relationship with Russia," she said in a speech in parliament. "No, this would also cause massive damage to Russia, economically and politically."

Merkel has acknowledged that her efforts to persuade Putin to negotiate via a "contact group" with the transition government in Kiev - which he accuses of ousting Russian-backed president Viktor Yanukovich unlawfully - have failed and time is running out.

"To be absoultely clear, none of us want it to come to such measures but we are all ready and determined to if they are unavoidable," said Merkel.

Germany receives over a third of its gas and oil from Russia and over 6,000 German firms are active there. A poll last week showed that a majority of Germans oppose sanctions against Russia. So is Merkel doing the Western thing, and bluffing in a last-ditch effort to convince Putin she isn't, or does Putin still believe he has all the trump cards, and can bring the German economy to a crawl if Merkel acts out on her threat? We will known as soon as Sunday night.

Elsewhere, John Kerry headed out to London for some last ditch Russia talks on Ukraine. Expect this "effort" too to lead exactly nowhere.

In the meantime, Russia's response is well known, which is more of the same - and the Russian Ministry of Defense made it quite clear what the next steps are when it announced that the large-scale maneuvers near the Ukraine border now involve some 8,500 troops, 270 tanks and 180 APCs.

An indication of how "seriously" Russia takes the diplomatic threats was the news that it is ready to impose counter-sanctions. WSJ reported that Russia’s economy ministry is looking at what the consequences of possible sanctions from the West would be and stands ready to impose similar penalties, deputy economy minister Alexei Likhachev said Thursday.

We are ready for any developments, all options are being considered. But we hope that it will impose specific political sanctions but not a wider range of some trade and economic decisions,” Mr. Likhachev said.

 

Mr. Likhachev said Europe is unlikely to impose harsh sanctions against Russia as both sides have strong business and trade ties.

 

Unlike Europe, which is Russia’s major trading partner, the U.S. has more room to impose sanctions, he added.

 

“Our sanctions will be symmetric,” Mr. Likhachev said.

But it wouldn't be a Russian response if Gazprom didn't make an announcement or two. Which it did:

  • Gazprom CEO: Ukraine’s Failure to Repay Gas Deliveries Debt Puts Company Dividend Policy At Risk
  • Gazprom CEO: Ukraine Debt for Gas Deliveries Now at $1.8 Billion, Keeps Growing
  • Gazprom CEO: Ukraine Political Crisis Detrimental For Company’s Investment Program
  • Gazprom CEO Seeking Clarity On Gas Payments From Ukraine
  • Gazprom CEO Doesn’t “Want A Gas Crisis”
  • Gazprom CEO Doesn’t Address Cutting Off Gas Supplies In Statement

And while diplomacy is failing all around, and a trade and all too real war are potentially on the horizon, the real issue was and continues to the money. Which is why it was surprising to learn that earlier today the a Ukrainian oligarch, Dmytro Firtash, was arrested in Vienna this week at the request of U.S. authorities, the Austrian government sources said on Thursday.  Reuters reports that Firtash, 48, is one of Ukraine's richest men, an oligarch whose close links to Russia and involvement in the gas, chemicals, media and banking sectors gave him substantial influence, notably during the administration of recently ousted, Moscow-backed President Viktor Yanukovich.

The Federal Criminal Office, had identified the man taken into custody only as Dmitry F. and said he had been under investigation by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation since 2006.

As a reminder, Stratfor's take on the richest Ukrainians was that they would play a "decisive role" in the conflict:

With presidential elections set for May 25 and parliamentary elections likely to be held later in the year, Ukraine's current administration will need the continued support of the oligarchs. More immediately, with Crimea on the verge of leaving Ukraine, the new government's urgent challenge is to keep mainland Ukraine together. Eastern Ukraine is crucial to this -- the region is a stronghold for pro-Russia sentiment and the main site of opposition, after Crimea, to the Western-backed and Western-leaning government.

 

The oligarchs are key to keeping control over eastern Ukraine, not only because Ukraine's industrial production is concentrated in the east -- thus anchoring a shaky economy -- but also because many of the oligarchs have a stronger and more manageable relationship with Russia than the current government, which Moscow sees as illegitimate. Many of these business leaders hail from the industrial east. They have business ties to Russia and decades of experience dealing with Russian authorities -- experience that figures such as Klitschko and Yatsenyuk lack.

 

So far, the new government has been able to maintain the support of the country's most important oligarchs. In general, the oligarchs want Ukraine to stay united. They do not support partition or federalization, because this would compromise their business interests across the country. But this support is not guaranteed over the long term. There have been recent complaints about the new government, for example over the arrest of former Kharkiv Gov. Mikhail Dobkin. Akhmetov came out in Dobkin's defense, saying the government should not be going after internal rivals right now, but rather focusing on concerns over Russia. This can be seen as a warning to the new administration: The oligarchs' loyalty to the current regime is conditional and should not be taken for granted.

 

Ultimately, the biggest threat to the oligarchs is not the current government, over which they have substantial leverage, but Russia. The oligarchs stand to lose a great deal if Russia intervenes in eastern Ukraine. If Russia takes over eastern territories, it could threaten the oligarchs' very control over their assets. Therefore they have an interest in bridging the gap between Russia and Kiev, but it is Moscow they fear more. The oligarchs have substantial power to shape the Ukrainian government's decision-making as it moves forward. Their business interests and the territorial integrity of the country are at stake.

As always, follow the money, especially when some of the richest money ends up directly in prison in a country far away, under the orders of that global moralizer, the United States.

 

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Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:07 | 4542635 Fukushima Sam
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Good old Vladimir "It Ain't Gay If It's a Young Boy" Putin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5155448.stm

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:12 | 4542656 Belrev
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http://s019.radikal.ru/i609/1304/1e/77a703453cbc.gif

 

MAP OF Ukraine after it is all over.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4542679 Sudden Debt
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http://youtu.be/mPgW6D-MzOo

This movie shows how the Russians will take over the rest of Europe...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:21 | 4542693 Arius
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Merkel's position will be key.  I firmly believe her visit to London to coordinate with the queen and british cabinet on the stand to the russian was no coincidence.  the germans must have had intellengence of pending aggresion upon completion of Sochi Olympics.

 

Will see ...but where Merkel will stand is the key!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:25 | 4542720 MillionDollarBonus_
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If Russia wants a World War 3 I say bring it on. I'll fight to the death for my country, and it's about time our lazy couch potato society got of their arses did something worthwhile. Combat is good for society - it teaches respect, courage, honor and other decent principles from a bygone era. It's time for the world to learn to stand up for their countries and start giving something back to the generations before them that fought and gave their lives the wars of the centuries. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:27 | 4542728 Sudden Debt
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are you for real??

 

I'm moving to somewhere sunny and peacefull sipping coctails if this turns sour for sure!

But don't dispair... I'll follow up on you guys on CNBC...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:01 | 4542916 Arius
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it is sad to see replies to MDB's post, and the down arrows from the busy bees who dont have time or the guts to write smt.  the question is why such animosity towards a post that in other circumstances and perhaps more importantly made by someone else would have been considered simply patriotic ?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:30 | 4543065 Mine Is Bigger
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MDB is playing a character.  Antagonizing poeple with his comments is what he does.  But you are serious about your comment, aren't you?

What part of "combat is good for society" is patriotic?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:51 | 4543186 BandGap
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It's called satire. Look it up.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4543506 Volkodav
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piss poor excuse...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:11 | 4544007 nope-1004
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Well I feel better knowing that the troll, who hides behind his keyboard, is willing to leave his cubicle and defend me "cuz it's the right thing to do".

Take lots of band-aids with you and don't break a nail on your excursion, ya condescending goof.  You obviously have never seen war up close, or you'd feel like the loser you are.

 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 11:54 | 4548210 matrix2012
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Arius will fight to death for his/her Zio paymasters... a New World under the reign of the Babylonian Tribe... lol

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:37 | 4543113 Zerozen
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MDB is a troll, dude.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:02 | 4543257 silvermail
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Patriot for liars, is not it?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:07 | 4542945 MillionDollarBonus_
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Your me-first creed is exactly what is wrong with this country. Our government will track you down issue a court martial for your selfish and cowardly actions. It's about time we siphoned off the unappreciative cynics in this country and tested the loyalty of each and every citizen.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4542968 firstdivision
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Your blind faith in a government that ignores the constitution it swore to uphold and protect, is what is wrong with this country.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4543095 bigkahuna
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LOL! Such comedy is difficult to find anywhere.

Its well crafted, you need to let people know you are joking MDB because you are actually upsetting some.

I have said before and I say again, we need to have a ZH convention were we just wear our screen names and get to meet the people behind the comments. Vegas would be nice.

Before you go MDB - let them know you are joking because some folks might want to throw down.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:47 | 4543166 Kirk2NCC1701
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MDB, How's your Blog site doing?  Trolling here for hits there?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:06 | 4543278 silvermail
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In "citizen" is the mind, honor and conscience.
Citizen does not accept US lies and hypocrisy.
But you are unable to understand this.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:30 | 4542745 Sweet Chicken
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FUCK YOU MDB

Joke or no joke, my children will not be cannon fodder for the oligarchs.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:32 | 4542752 firstdivision
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You should be ready to go to Afghanistan then.  We're still at war with terrorists.  I'll help you pack.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:18 | 4543348 de3de8
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I'll pay his airfare

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:41 | 4542804 prains
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MDD

you are a fool for joking about people sending themselves to the slaughter for fucking Oligarch's benefit. This is not irony it's just plain stoopid, as you are....

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:46 | 4542833 SoilMyselfRotten
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Wow MDB, i thought you were just a tool. Didn't realize you're just a fool.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:43 | 4542820 fijisailor
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No need to fight to the death.  You can vailiantly die while in bed screwing your significant other during a nuclear strike.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:53 | 4542867 caconhma
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 MillionDollarBonus_ said: I'll fight to the death for my country.

What is your country(s)? 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:54 | 4542875 indygo55
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"Combat is good for society"

Are you fucking kidding me? You obviously never engeged in combat you fucking asshole. People next to you die. You change. You will never be the same and you would never, NEVER say those words if you had. FACT!

Coward!!!!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:56 | 4542878 ebworthen
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You'll fight to the death for Jamie Dimon, Diane Feinstein, and Kathie Lee & Hoda?

Wow.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4542895 tony wilson
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million dollarbonus

you go fight the russian then flat foot.

yer big fat tub of microsoft  lard.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:13 | 4542982 rubiconsolutions
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You've obviously never seen war up close and personal or you wouldn't say that. Combat is good for society? In what way? Combat veterans suffer from PTSD and alcoholism in greater numbers than civilians. Not to mention a very high rate of suicide. To say that combat teaches respect, courage and honor is ludicrous. Trust me pal, it teaches none of that. I went back to SE Asia in 1999-2000 to help with de-mining efforts in Cambodia and Laos and saw first hand what war does to people after the fact. And when I got home I promptly put my DD-214 and (not so) honorable discharge in the shredder and threw my ribbons and medals away. I was ashamed at what America did over there. Your bravado belies someone who has watched way too many movies. As Tim O'Brien wrote awhile back -

"A true war story is never moral. It does not instruct, nor encourage virtue, nor suggest models of proper human behavior, nor restrain men from doing things men have always done. If a war story seems moral, do not believe it. If at the end of a war story you feel uplifted, or if you feel that some small bit of rectitude has been salvaged from the larger waste, then you have been made the victim of a very old and terrible lie."

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:34 | 4543454 Volkodav
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dumbass..you wanna fight and die for something? travel Russia and strike blow on male your size...even an old man...

I think that will be enough war for you..

pathetic

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:24 | 4544107 stewie
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PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

STOP ANSWERING TO MDB's POST .  YOU"RE PLAYING RIGHT INTO HIS HAND!  THREADJACKING!

First time I yell here btw.  It felt good.

ZeroHedge really has to implement a thread collapse/expand function into the site.  That way I could just collapse MDB's stuff and save precious minutes scrolling and trying to figure out where the reply ends.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:27 | 4542729 kaiserhoff
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Merkel is about to put an end to this shit.

Comrade Midget had better listen.  This isn't the old Soviet Union.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:37 | 4542783 old naughty
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Right on cue of Soro's "Europe may not survive"...hummmmm.

Is S-He fearmongering or feared?

Another chess move.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:56 | 4542881 tony wilson
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and i here david cam moron is with tony liar blair in israel for more mossad coordination.

funny old zion saturn loving world

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:52 | 4543196 silvermail
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Merkel, as the footman U.S. will stand where her will be commanded from Washington.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:56 | 4543221 fx
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nope. It all started with the violent mob at the maidan so the West had the timing in his hands all along. No coincidence. right. But you are looking for the pre-planned actions in exactly the wrong places.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4542707 asteroids
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The West is controlled by banksters too busy sucking every dollar they can. Angela is a bankster proxy.  They have no brains or stomach to stand up to Putin.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:24 | 4542714 666
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Merkel took the western stance because she wants her gold back. In 7 years. Eventually. Even if it comes from the Ukraine stash in NYC.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:40 | 4543134 lakecity55
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Ho ho ho, Vlad should offer the krauts some of his russky stash of Au.

that would complicate the picture.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:13 | 4543312 silvermail
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In Russian there is a saying:
"If someone want to revise the results of World War II, we'll show this to you again".

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:34 | 4543100 Trample the Wea...
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NO WAY!  It will go down with armored divisions.... this way:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x99njmZxaMA

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:17 | 4542684 Thought Processor
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Except for the whole area containing Chernobyl and it's fallout.   They won't touch that.   

That will fall off the map literally.   An active Nuclear facility without a state sponser.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4542973 DeadFred
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I think the map they show on the X men movie is closer to the ned result. It follows the language distribution better. The biggest question I have is whether Putin wants Odessa and Kiev or if he'd rather someone else dealt with their problems.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:25 | 4543394 Volkodav
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Odessa absolutely...Kiev not so much..

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:13 | 4542659 Independent
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Well at least he didnt kiss the child's ass like some clergy here in the USA

Its an affectionate thing parents and relatives do to kids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSYJCoZPbV8

Perhaps you are reading in more than you should, if it had been done with only Putin and the kid in a room yeah ok you have something there, but this is in public in front of cameras

Sam the story is from 2006, do you keep a dossier of little kids photos and stories? Cause you what....get kicks out of it? You are the sick one Sammy go get some therapy

Listen up SamTurd you been posting the same crap over and over on a bunch of different stories, if you got nothing but young boys on your mind we can tell Tyler to flag your email with the Feds for a possible child molester on the loose.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:18 | 4542673 Fukushima Sam
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Second time I have posted it and yes, I do believe the Putin lovers around here need to realize the guy is just another scumbag oligarch with perverse tendencies.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4542712 agent default
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No, he is just a presentable front man for the boys in Lubyanka.  They have an entirely different style of perversion.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:34 | 4542766 Winston Churchill
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I don't thik anyone has any illusions about Putin being a nice guy.We are just sick

of our bad guys doing shit in our name ,and our glad when anyone stands up against them,

even another bad guy.

The enemy of my enemy etc.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:40 | 4542798 Fukushima Sam
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I get that. But the real war, in the end, will come down to the people versus the oligarchs, and as you say, we should have no illusions about the matter.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:02 | 4542921 Urban Redneck
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You've obviously NEVER seen a real war.  

It's NEVER the people versus the oligarchs, and it NEVER will be the people versus the oligarchs.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:36 | 4543468 Fukushima Sam
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Real wars are rarely fought with guns but with minds and words.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:39 | 4543822 11b40
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Wrong...REAL wars are fought with blood, guts, puke, and shit (as in your pants).  In rain and mud, in searing heat and freezing cold, by peons like us, who struggle to survive, then struggle to recover if we make it home.  Along the way, we kill and maiim, doing and witnessing things that haunt us until we either die or our minds wither.  The victums are the men, women, and children in the combat zone, left to try an pull things back together after their society has been laid to waste.

 

Go back to your electronic war games.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:39 | 4543091 Independent
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Dude don't besmirch the guy with a low crappy blow like putting up a picture that does not have the connotations you are insinuating with your sick mind.  If you got something against the man build up your case in an intelligent manner, quote some links, let us read some articles and we can decide if you have a point.  So Putin is a scumbag oligarch because he turned Russia around and rebuilt its economy and prestige and military so that crap stains like McCain cant run all over it with his neocons and dual citizen hit squads. What that man has done to turn Russia around from the precipice is nothing short of superhuman, nay more like godlike.  If he has some perks or a few billions or lots of billions of dollars to wage an election war against scum that ripped Russia off blind during Yeltsin's reign via help from tribal connections from European and American banks, then that is what it takes to beat the dual citizens at their game because certainly they are well financed with US dollars, printed ad nauseum by you know who...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:22 | 4543370 Volkodav
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Obvious you are obsessed with this subject. It is important to you?

Get lost simple mind lowlife...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:37 | 4543820 Gavrikon
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Obviously a Zionist troll.  

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:37 | 4543810 Gavrikon
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And you are a fucking idiot.  Please kill yourself.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:20 | 4542694 MeMongo
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Haha Indy now we all have images of fuku sam running blindly around his parents basement hitting every delete button he can get his hands on!

lmfao

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:30 | 4542742 Fukushima Sam
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I can't understand you, you're mumbling.  Take Putin's dick out of your mouth and talk slowly.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:53 | 4542866 MeMongo
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Haha! MeMongo! 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4543145 angel_of_joy
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Too much bad sushi ?

Red arrow, then ignore !

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:01 | 4543615 silvermail
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Before giving advice, you have to take Obama's dick out of your mouth.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:38 | 4543825 Gavrikon
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And Soro's dick out of your ass, faggot.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:34 | 4542767 RaceToTheBottom
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"we can tell Tyler to flag your email with the Feds for a possible child molester on the loose."

.....  not much to say about this.  It should be obvious

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:13 | 4542665 Thought Processor
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The fun begins after the war of sanctions starts.   Both sides can inflict substantial damage to each others economies with simple economic measures.  This does not even include cutting off oil and gas to Europe (though that will happen likely at some point).

They will sever cross border money flows first (likely already happening with the Ukraine banking runs as evidence).   They've already evacuated the Gold from Kiev.

All evidence points to an escalation of force.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:00 | 4542903 CrashisOptimistic
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Gold is irrelevant to the function of day to day society.

Oil and gas will not be cut off.  It will be restricted.  That elevates price and does much more damage than a total cut off that would generate emergency measures to get more from Iraq.

Most important of all, the North Sea source of oil and gas is in decline.  Russia has no need to push this matter to military measures. 

The calendar is providing them victory.  They need only wait as Europe's dependency on them grows.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:40 | 4543136 Herd Redirectio...
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Russia is the world leader in gas and oil.  Germany is world leader in wind energy.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:43 | 4543854 11b40
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They best start building a lot of electric BMW's.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:11 | 4543290 Kirk2NCC1701
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Gazprom: “Dear EU, Please sign up in our ‘Gas for Gold’ program”

Like I’ve been saying repeatedly since Mar. 4 (45091754538914) till now … Before things escalate militarily, we need to remember the Von Clausewitz’s gem:  “War is Diplomacy by other Means”.  So are Currency Wars, Energy and Gold:  

"Currency Wars, Energy and Gold Holdings are Diplomacy-by-other-Means".  They are all intertwined.

Thus, before going 'hot', Putin has the advantage of a direct and “nuclear” cold-war attack on the fiat-Dollar (and its endless QE that is back-stopping the Euro) with a “GAS FOR GOLD” program.

p.s.  The pain will be worse for the EU than the US - which only helps the Fed and BOE, as it weakens the EU and weakens Frankfurt as a rising competitor to London.  Neither London nor NY nor DC like the cozy relationship that Germany and the EU have with Russia.  Gotta look at the Forrest (the landscape, the ecosystem), so as not to get lost among the trees.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4542667 camaro68ss
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Man up and dump UST Russia!

Im tired of this freak show....end it now!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:25 | 4542718 TahoeBilly2012
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Nice spin dude. People make silly gesters of affection all the time. Most people know the intent. What people don't is media whores who lie and twist things. No, Vlad has a simple Christian doctrine not far from the basics of a Christian neighborhood (or State) in the US. Here we have the presstitute media pumping him out as the next coming of Hitler pushing, touting his "jailing" of their fake "punk rock" band who is a Western NGO junk show, dancing around to a boom box. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:50 | 4542851 rotagen
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The current "government"? ... You mean Yats the Yid and the jewish neo nazi (yep, that's what I wrote) thugs that hired those snipers to shoot on the misguided protesters and police?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4542886 Freddie
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Merkel should shut the F up.  She is pushing "the interests of the European Union..." bullshit.  The interests are only those of the elites and not the people of Europe.  Maybe should should mention the criminal coup by the USSA, Nuland, Soros, McCain, State Dept, Zato, the oligarchs and the looting of the Ukraine. 

These people do not give a shit about the critizens of the Ukraine who are headed towards IMF-EU-oligarch serfdom.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4542934 rotagen
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Wait...Cannot Compute...Germany gets 1/3 gas from Russia...."It would cause massive damage to russia...economically..."  Has Merkel been smoking the same Androgynous, Brain-wasting Crack as Hillarium Clunton?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:17 | 4543344 Volkodav
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Get lost idiot...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:08 | 4542638 Sudden Debt
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Merkel and Puttin are compairing their dicks...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:13 | 4542660 krispkritter
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Let's send them Hillarity...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:16 | 4542683 Sudden Debt
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didn't she die already?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4542899 krispkritter
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She's a member of the Political Undead...they can't die.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:20 | 4543012 DeadFred
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But they have trouble with press conferences in the bright sunlight of the Rose Garden. You'll also never find them in the yearly garlic festival in Gilroy CA.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:16 | 4542682 dexter_morgan
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bet Hillary's is bigger

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:42 | 4543052 mccvilb
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Stop it, SD, you're killing me.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:10 | 4542641 Independent
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Gosh the Euros are so dumb.  They have no OIL or GAS, Russia has OIL and GAS.  Modern Economy no run with no Oil and Gas.  Guess them Krauts gonna have to use horses again like they did in WW2 LOL.

All Russia has to do is resume atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons and the Euros will quickly fold with their sanctions.
Or how about a nuclear detonation on a Volcano in Kamchatka, or maybe two or three volcanoes, the Russians have 80 active volcanoes there. All that plume and dust goes east and blocks the sun as it sits up in the atmosphere, can do a lot of hurt to the whole world. IF Russia is to feel pain the whole world will feel it also. And the cooooold weather that will come where will the EUROS get oil and gas for severe winters?
The Euros and USA went in Russia's back yard with a stick looking for trouble poking the sleeping bear. Be careful with these dumb games, Russia is not Libya. Russia has been playing very nice but USA broke its promises of not extending Nato to Baltic republics and Eastern Europe. Stop poking the Bear or there will be a lot of hurt to go around. These politicians are imbeciles playing with the fate of the world, leave well enough alone you fools. With all that volcano dust up in the atmosphere for months you can say goodbye to any air traffic and McCains airplane neonazi dual citizen funded diplomacy. How will USA fly out of Afghanistan then, how will all the big shots feel like when they cant fly around to Kiev and hand out their cookies.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:11 | 4542654 Sudden Debt
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Pre world war 2 they actually used DOG CARTS...

https://www.google.be/search?q=dog+cart&client=firefox-a&hs=U17&rls=org....

 

horses where for the rich.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:17 | 4542685 Independent
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LOL SuddenD good thing they didnt eat their dogs hehehe.  Them Germans will lose the Sanction War.  They forgot they lost the world war because they couldnt get to the Russian oil fields.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:19 | 4542691 Sudden Debt
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The only bad part about all of this is that I live in Europe :)

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:33 | 4542760 Independent
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Well SuddenD yeah that is not a good thing, food riots in Europe can get pretty bad, at least there they hang the fascist politicians in the city square, that is worth a European vacation for me to see.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:41 | 4542806 toys for tits
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Just spitballin' here but I'd say that there is at least one other bad part.

 

After all this year marks the 100 year anniversary of archduke Ferdinand's assasination and the start of WWI.

 

As history shows, world wars have started over lesser things than a land grab.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:58 | 4542894 El Vaquero
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Abusing the people, warrantless searches and a gun grab started one.  (Several other things too, to be fair.)  Most people don't realize that the American Revolution turned into a world war, and the Brits did pretty good except for on the American front. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4542680 dexter_morgan
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hubris

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:46 | 4542834 Crash Overide
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It's all a shit show and everyone is in on it. They will make money on all sides of the conflict as they press for war, they win again, humanity looses... no really it's different this time.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:15 | 4543329 hungarianboy
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If everything else fails could be a last move by russia. That way nobody wins and everything is fucked up.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 17:57 | 4545256 Aussie V
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Have you forgotton the "Marshall Plan"!!!???

Russia will turn the gas cocks to "Off" The EU will freeze.

The US will feel a moral urge to assist their EU brothers and sisters from the evil "Vlad the Lad"

The US will uncock their vast emergency oil reserves hidden in the caves below the Rockies but, be careful it's a National Secret!

Barry will give an order from the bathhouse to build flying tankers from old Exxon Valdez parts and old tankers awaiting recycling at the Scrap Yard.

He will make it 'perfectly clear' what he wants. Old tankers, new tankers to be fitted with wings from old Boeing and McDonald Douglas planes, Jets and, spare parts.

In some cases NO wings will be needed as Barry has worked out in his bathroom antics that farts are lighter than air AND oil.

Therefore, Barry 'deduded man' that the gas would give enough 'Lift' to offset the weight of the oil which "no dude has thunk of before". Because of that Gas 'Lift' man, the ships will only need 10 Wind turbines on the bridge to provide the necessary thrust! Gas and Oil to Germany!

Only bald skippers need to apply!

Barry will draw up the plans for these "Super Wanker Tankers" and, have them painted pink with green stripes.

The Marshall Plan will be renamed "The Reggy Plan" in honour of one of Barrys lifetime achievment award recipients. He actually received it many times!!

Barry's plan will earn him a new Nobel Peace Prize for advancing Bathroom Ethics of Wanker Tanker Proportions in the face of overwhelming Sir cum stances. Some of those stances required a gymnast Hoop! As he receives his award he gives a special thanks to his wife "Meechelle who, isn't feeling herself tonight, as she'll be doing that later on this evening!"

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 12:39 | 4548430 matrix2012
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NEOCONS: "NUCLEAR WAR IS WINNABLE" !!!

 

But read following, some NEOCONS in D.C. said that NUCLEAR WAR IS WINNABLE long ago!!!

Former Assistant Treasury Secretary Dr. Paul Craig Roberts thinks the Neoconservatives in the U.S. government want war in Ukraine.  Dr. Roberts says, “They definitely want war, of course. They’ve wanted it ever since Reagan was President.  The Neocons were always saying we have to attack the Soviet Union, and Reagan said we are not going to win anything, we are going to end it.   The Neocons got to where they really disliked Reagan because he wouldn’t take advantage of Soviet weakness to attack them.  So, they are war minded.  They produce documents that say nuclear war is winnable.  So, they are basically crazy people; and, yet, they have determined the course of foreign policy since the Clinton Administration.  Under George Bush, they controlled the show; and today, under Obama, the Neoconservatives control it.” .. http://usawatchdog.com/united-states-definitely-wants-war-in-ukraine-pau...
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 12:40 | 4548442 matrix2012
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And PCR's above information is inline with what Prof. Michel Chossudovsky wrote in his book. Read thoroughly the book (also available in e-book) “Towards a World War III Scenario: The Dangers of Nuclear War“ by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, "a book that cuts through the chaos and deception to show the reader exactly how and why humanity is facing an existential threat. It is a wake-up call that the world is being pushed towards catastrophic conflict." SYRIA is one of the targets to take over (in near future), with the next one is IRAN!!!
This book shows that, incredibly, the same deception that the Western governments and media perpetrated to facilitate the war on Iraq less than a decade ago is now being repeated with Iran. But the real threat to world peace and the future of humanity is not Iran and its non-existent nuclear weapons program – it is the US-led alliance of NATO powers and their Middle East partners, Israel, Turkey and the handful of Gulf Arab monarchs. 
The real agenda behind the drive for war is imperialist control of natural resources in a region that possesses some 60 per cent of all known reserves of oil and gas – the lifeblood of the capitalist global economy. Cloaked with the fictitious cover of “war on terror”, “international security” and “humanitarian intervention”, realities are being turned upside down.
The agenda for global control of resources is a long-term dynamic that Washington and its NATO allies have had on the drawing board for decades. The nine-year war on Iraq is but one episode of this unfolding scheme of conquest. The NATO-orchestrated regime change in Libya is also part of this military roadmap, which now has Iran in its sights. But this war lust will not stop with Iran. It is about global conquest by Western powers in which ultimately China and Russia are also marked out as future enemies.
Disturbingly, the US-led agenda of permanent war has incorporated the doctrine of pre-emptive strikes with all military options, including the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons and a new generation of so-called monster bombs. The imminent military showdown in the Persian Gulf could turn out to be not just a regional explosion of latent conflicts – it may be the trigger for a conflagration between global powers armed with nuclear arsenals capable of unleashing destruction that puts the very future of the planet in the balance.
The Western public has a vital task in preventing their governments’ drive for war. Michel Chossudovsky’s book is an essential tool in equipping the public for that task by showing them the truth of what is at stake.
[...]
“Towards a World War III Scenario: The Dangers of Nuclear War“ by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky http://www.globalresearch.ca/towards-a-world-war-iii-scenario-the-real-i...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 12:43 | 4548450 matrix2012
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World War III: the unthinkable cost of preserving the petrodollar

 

"If you have never heard of the PETRODOLLAR, don’t be surprised. There’s a good reason for this. No major news network will dare touch this subject because if this information was ever to become public knowledge, politicians would find it next to impossible to convince American people to support any more wars. Public approval of wars is only possible as long as people remain ignorant of the primary driving force behind U.S. foreign policy. The reason you haven’t heard of the PETRODOLLAR system is because our government wants you to think that we start wars to spread democracy.However, if you want to distinguish truth from propaganda, if you want to know the real reasons behind the global conflicts in our recent history, you must first learn about the PETRODOLLAR system. Without this crucial piece of info, you will have a hard time understanding what really happened in Libya, what’s happening in Syria right now and what’s going to happen in Iran next.

 

-Bretton Woods Conference

-The U.S. defaults on its obligation to convert dollars to gold

-The birth of the petrodollar leads to global domination

-Petrodollar System must be maintained at any cost

 

WORLD WAR 3: A CALCULATED RISK TO PRESERVE THE PETRODOLLAR

The petrodollar paradigm is saving the dollar from crashing by accomplishing two things. First, it creates a mandatory international demand for the Federal Reserve paper, preventing dollar inflation from going into hyperinflation. Second, the oil profits from OPEC pay for a portion of our ever expanding national debt, helping perpetuate a giant Ponzi scheme in the U.S. treasury market. Those who control the United States understand that even if only a few countries begin to sell their oil in another currency it will set off a chain reaction and the dollar will collapse. They understand that there’s absolutely nothing else holding up the value of the dollar at this point, and so does the rest of the world.

 

But rather than accepting the fact that the dollar is nearing the end of its lifespan, the powers that be have made a calculated gambit. They have decided to use the brute force of the U.S. military to crush each and every resistant state in the Middle East and Africa.

 

Read it here. http://bit.ly/XyTKRa

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:08 | 4542642 PlusTic
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Go Putin.  I could care less about the egotistical fuck, but any challenge to the US/EUR/Japan coalition can't be bad.  The western world is too controlled by douche bags and a little puysh-back form a competing group (RUS/Cina) is a good thing.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:25 | 4542724 TrumpXVI
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Yup, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

It has really gotten that sad.  It's like the end of the Roman Empire when Roman citizens where sending signals to the barbarians that if and when they invaded, they could count on the citizens of Rome to join them in sacking the empire.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:09 | 4542643 Uncle Remus
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Kuato lives.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:09 | 4542645 Sudden Debt
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Merkel is moving Pantzer divisions again that don't exist anymore...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:11 | 4542650 Uncle Remus
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Die Pantzer?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:22 | 4542709 Yes We Can. But...
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Suit Pantzers.

Hillary style.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:00 | 4542906 El Vaquero
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What is a Pantzer?  German slang for giant German granny panties?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:53 | 4544273 Gavrikon
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You meant "Panzer" I suppose.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:16 | 4542646 Dr. Engali
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"Which is why it was surprising to learn that earlier today the a Ukrainian oligarch, Dmytro Firtash, was arrested in Vienna this week at the request of U.S. authorities, the Austrian government sources said on Thursday."

 

I hope there is in kind retatilation from Russia. I would love to see the oligarchs running in fear.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:35 | 4542773 fijisailor
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Seriously.  There are no important Westerners in Russia as we speak?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:47 | 4543160 Urban Redneck
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"Westerners" are not important.  One oligarch on the ground in Ukraine is a more potent weapon than an entire infantry or armor brigade, if not division.  The response needs to be in kind, one or more dead pro-Ukey oligarchs (and their entire families/bloodlines) -- that way the plundering of State assets can be (at least partially) be returned to the State/People.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:40 | 4542648 TruthInSunshine
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FFS, quit repeating the neocon rantings of Friedman & his pet rag, Stratfor .

Hedgers, I encourage you to do your own due diligence on George Friedman & Stratfor, using credible sources.

Why ZH continues to cite such a shady, discredited & politically biased rag with open & obvious ties to the establishment neocons is beyond me.

Stratfor has "predicted" 80 of the last 1 military conflicts, getting that one wrong in terms of lead-up and conclusions.
http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2014-03-07/fun-and-games-with-stratfor/

On its website, Stratfor describes itself as "a geopolitical intelligence firm that provides strategic analysis and forecasting to individuals and organizations around the world" – in other words, a high-tone foreign policy think tank – and it regularly issues news bulletins and analytical essays to its subscribers. But the hacked emails (which Wikileaks dubbed "The Global Intelligence Files") reveal another, much more local aspect of the privately owned company. The emails reflect that Stratfor has cultivated relationships with members of the Austin Police Department and the Texas Depart ment of Public Safety for the purpose of gathering locally based "intelligence" – specifically, surveillance of protest groups – that one would presume (perhaps naively) would not normally be shared beyond immediate law enforcement circles. In addition to the sharing of confidential information about local activists, the emails also reflect several examples of trainings or demonstrations provided to Stratfor by APD personnel.
For example, throughout August 2011, a number of Stratfor emails discuss an APD demonstration for Stratfor employees using live explosives near Austin-Bergstrom Inter national Airport. In an internal Stratfor email dated Aug. 27, 2011, with the subject line "weekly," Stratfor Vice President Fred Burton announced blissfully: "The highlight of the week was the Austin Police Department (APD) Bomb Squad 'special' training session for Stratfor staff. A six-man team augmented by the Austin Fire and EMS set off a wide variance of explosive charges for our group, to include ANFO [i.e., ammonium nitrate/fuel oil]. The staff got a chance to feel, smell and touch 'real' explosives; and feel the energy output when bombs are detonated (called a blast wave). The sound and color of the various explosives will enable the team to better understand attack scenes from as they say at Foggy Bottom [i.e., the U.S. State Depart ment] 'dispatches afar.' We also examined the blast seats (craters). Several said it was the best damn training they have ever received at Stratfor. We also had a little bit of fun (or panic) when two brush fires were started. ... Man 'ole man was it fun."
(Burton's personal notions of amusement are already notorious from earlier email releases, as when he speculated on the possibility of the U.S. killing or torturing Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at Guan ta namo, and reminisced about the good old days at the State Department when political assassinations were not so controversial. Here's Burton (April 27, 2010), musing nostalgically on Bolivian President Evo Morales and then Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez: "Back in the day, we would have been planning [Morales'] (and Chavez's) helicopter 'accident.' Guess I'm getting old, I think it's best to keep these lads around for comic relief.")

Stratfor founder and chairman George Friedman

In addition to the oddity of APD blowing things up for the entertainment (or "understanding") of a private company, the brush fires mentioned by Burton (and apparently extinguished by the Austin Fire Department, which was standing by along with EMS) occurred during a countywide burn ban, and the worst year of the current severe drought – indeed, less than two weeks before the great Bastrop County fire. Seemingly oblivious to these conditions, Burton emailed Stratfor employees the day of the demonstration, flippantly warning: "If anyone calls from the arson squad, we were never there. ... Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations. (CIA Bombing School motto)."

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:16 | 4543334 Kirk2NCC1701
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They got the "Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations" motto from somewhere else.

Friedman knows this.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:11 | 4542651 Belrev
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http://s019.radikal.ru/i609/1304/1e/77a703453cbc.gif

 

MAP OF Ukraine after it is all over.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:30 | 4542743 TahoeBilly2012
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Pussy Riotstan?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:44 | 4542823 toys for tits
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Nobody's going to pay attention to a riot when there is a war.

 

At least the olympics didn't get canceled.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:20 | 4543362 hungarianboy
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Looks good to me. At least Hungary gets back some part of it to what they took away.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:09 | 4548582 matrix2012
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Sorry I don't read Russian... is the upcoming newly drawn map of Ukraine the part in amber color?

 

but i guess it's more than enough to host those NAZI thugs, the rats and yat along with the supporters of the Dual-Citizenship Tribe incl. the German-PR holder ex-boxer Klitschko's fans...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:11 | 4542652 Max Damage
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And Europe, and the  the USA will also have MASSIVE damage from all this bullshit caused by EU, and USA aggressors

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:28 | 4543054 lakecity55
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"Hans, it iss kold. Turn up der heat."
"Zere iss no fuel, Manfred. Ve vill freez."

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:11 | 4542653 nah
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its the economy stupid

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:14 | 4542657 JustObserving
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In other news today:

 

Kiev snipers shooting from bldg controlled by Maidan forces –Ex-Ukraine security chief


Former chief of Ukraine’s Security Service has confirmed allegations that snipers who killed dozens of people during the violent unrest in Kiev operated from a building controlled by the opposition on Maidan square.

Shots that killed both civilians and police officers were fired from the Philharmonic Hall building in Ukraine’s capital, former head of the Security Service of Ukraine Aleksandr Yakimenko told Russia 1 channel. The building was under full control of the opposition and particularly the so-called Commandant of Maidan self-defense Andrey Parubiy who after the coup was appointed as the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Yakimenko added.

Furthermore the former security chief believes that Parubiy has been in contact with US Special Forces that could have coordinated the assault.

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-snipers-security-chief-438/

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:45 | 4542817 Byte Me
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That's RT you berk.

What are RT going to say? "The Kremlin ordered snipers into Ukraine to stir shit?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:04 | 4542914 JustObserving
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If you think that Western media have any more credibility than the RT, you are sorely mistaken.

US intelligence agencies have firmly controlled US media beginning with Operation Mockingbird from the 1950s.  Now the New York Times clears every story with the Pentagon.  Judith Miller's stories in the New York Times that led to the Iraq war and the death of around a million were all placed by the Pentagon.  Now the nation is being prepared for war with Russia:

In the wake of the right-wing coup in Ukraine organized by the United States and the European powers, the American media is responding with a torrent of inflammatory war propaganda directed against Russia.

In the newspapers and on the airwaves, the demonization of Russia is unrelenting. The coverage of events follows a single simplistic story line. The actions of Russia are portrayed as the epitome of evil. Its president, Vladimir Putin, is the devil incarnate.

The historical background, the economic interests, the political context and the geo-strategic calculations that underlie Russia’s actions are ignored. No facts are allowed to get in the way of the programmed message. No lie is too absurd or ridiculous. The purpose of the propaganda campaign is not to convince public opinion, but to intimidate it.

Monday’s lead editorial (“Russia’s Aggression”) in the New York Times does not contain a trace of analysis. It consists entirely of denunciations, saber-rattling and limitless hypocrisy.

The Times begins by denouncing “Putin’s cynical and outrageous exploitation of the Ukrainian crisis to seize control of Crimea.” Reality is stood on its head. The United States supported right-wing and fascistic forces in Ukraine to bring about regime-change in a country on Russia’s border. These operations were exposed to the world in a telephone conversation leaked last month in which the US ambassador to Ukraine and the US assistant secretary of state discussed the composition of a new Washington-backed government. Of course, the Times makes no reference to this episode.

With breathtaking cynicism, the Times demands that Obama tell Putin that Russia “has stepped far outside the bounds of civilized behavior, and that this carries a steep price in international standing and in economic relations.”

Who is outside the bounds of “civilized behavior?” The United States has intervened in country after country—from Panama, Grenada and Vietnam to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. Its military operations over the past quarter-century have resulted in the deaths of at least a million people.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/03/04/pers-m04.html

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:11 | 4542966 Byte Me
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If you think that Western media have any more credibility than the RT, you are sorely mistaken.

Just cynical. It's ALL propaganda from ALL sides. Didn't you get the memo? In a war the first casualty is the _____?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:15 | 4545817 Elliott Eldrich
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The first casualty of war is the truth, of course. However, the BIGGEST casualty of war is the innocent...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:26 | 4543042 lakecity55
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We The People have no desire or interest in "fighting Russia."

Now, if Vlad starts sending landing crafts to Florida, let me know, that's a different scenario.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:22 | 4543368 Kirk2NCC1701
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Allow me to qualify that... If they landed on the beaches in Texas, it's a big deal.  Florida?  Let 'em have it.  /sarc

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:05 | 4542938 El Vaquero
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I don't trust RT when it comes to matters that might make Russia look better than it really is either, but I do not dismiss it out of hand either.  I think the key is that we don't really know a lot of the shit that went on over there.  There is ample evidence to point to a lot of shit being dirty as fuck, and while there were free cookies, the details are rather foggy. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:23 | 4542997 lakecity55
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Based on what I research, RT certainly shades its reporting towards the RF.

However, the US MSM is 100% BS.

After I filter thru RT, I can get a better picture. Reading the US MSM is a waste of time.  It is all controlled by the CFR types who also give orders to State.

If you get an issue of the CFR Journal, you can read months in advance what the USG will do.

Also, it is a Fact, Khazar Zionistas Own about 85% of the MSM. Look up the ownership on line!

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Ukraine has everyone distracted from Venezuela, where more USG/NGOs are at work. Idiots. If they just left Maduro alone, their hokey socialism would collapse and they would have to entertain market reforms. But, no, things cannot be allowed to crash on their own. Castro's system works, but works badly. They also need market reforms, which may have happened sooner w/o foreign interference which drove them towards the old USSR and a policed state.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:39 | 4543490 rustymason
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Closer to 100%, especially when you include Hollywood and the major publishing houses. Ted Turner joked that he was the only non-Jew in the biz, though as a lefty liberal he was certainly in good company.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:13 | 4542661 Last of the Mid...
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And exactly how much money will it take to bet Vlad the fuck out? I'm sure the bankers will pay, obama will pay for the PR and Angela will pay because thats damn close to her house. Kerry's billion dollars will be like a down payment just to show we'er serious about giving them as much money as we possibly can. First John, now angela, who's next for the PR bullshit show, step right up. Spin, spin, spin. where's the popcorn

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:01 | 4543968 11b40
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Somehow, I just don't think Vlad is for sale.....probably something our "leadership" cannot quite comprehend.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:14 | 4542666 dexter_morgan
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So what is the purpose of sanctions again? Punish the little people economically so TPTB can have their way with the little peoples money eventually?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:16 | 4542674 j-dub
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Finally!!!!!

In my opinion, what  Europe needs right now is a strong German leader/chancellor who is willing to risk everything, through military conquest if necessary, in standing up against the Russian threat

Hmmmmm................

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:42 | 4542815 TahoeBilly2012
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Actually, Jim Willie has suggested for years that German's elite (cough Oligarchs) are split between wanting to stay kowtowed to the US/City of London and those ready to turn east, leave the Euro ect. I don't know if this will happen as of course they will be "anti gay" and "anti US" is they leave the Euro/Dollar world. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:12 | 4542974 lakecity55
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Frau Fuhrer!!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:14 | 4543666 silvermail
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Frau Fuhrer??

No, Frau footman.
Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4543199 Uncle Remus
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Well, the French have a replica of certain rail car, just in case it is needed again. 'Cuz, you know, history be rhymin' and shit.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4542676 no1wonder
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One way Russia plans on shielding itself from pending sanctions is by boosting trade in other currencies, not the US dollar.

“We need to increase trade volume conducted in national currencies. Why, in relation to China, India, Turkey and other countries, should we be negotiating in dollars? Why should we do that? We should sign deals in national currencies- this applies to energy, oil, gas, and everything else,” Alexey Ulyukaev, the Minister of Economic Development said in an interview with the Vesti 24 TV Channel.

Meanwhile, the Duma, Russia’s parliament, is drafting legislation to allow Moscow to freeze assets of Western companies and individuals in the event sanctions are imposed.

source

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:15 | 4542722 Independent
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Seriously the western world is dellusional.  Anything Europe makes Russia can get for better price from China, and china economy needs more exports so Russian payment with oil and gas and gold and diamonds and rare metals and forest products will be very welcome even in Brazil and India and Southeast Asia and so on and so on.   The Euros and USA are paper economies they print dollars and euros for insolvent banks.  Germany needs to export to stay alive, they are like Hitler in the Bunker ready to shoot their Brains out with the sanctions.  Must say those Krauts were always fatalistic, only problem is they only took themselves out instead of anyone else with them, they would go into the forest and shoot out their brains when things turned against them and the Russians were on German land, the Russians at least would charge the Germans and try to take out as many as they could before they were shot in the beginning when the Germans were on Russian land and almost all the way up to Moscow, or already in Stalingrad.

Think about it, the Russians survived Stalingrad, you thing some Eurotrash sanctions are going to make a Russian surrender, you better be ready to get some real  hurt back in return.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:48 | 4543172 TheMeatTrapper
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Precisely.

The Russian people are capable of enduring far more suffering and pain than the European or Amerrican people ever have been. Nobody seems to be factoring this part of the equation in.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:55 | 4543210 Uncle Remus
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^^^^^^^^

.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:55 | 4548784 matrix2012
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In fact most of the people OUTSIDE of the US-NATO/EU spheres are more capable of enduring suffering and pains because those people don't have the luxuries of various welfare entitlements that their govts are able to print out as in the US-NATO/EU block.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:13 | 4542980 Angry White Dude
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Bingo - and that is what I think will be the next step. Ratchet down gas supplies (not cut off - as other posters have said, sell less gas at a higher price) and start accepting non-USD for gas.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:30 | 4543428 hungarianboy
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Like I mentioned in earlier posts.

If Russia really want to sanction US and EU they will dump their foreign assets that are in Euro's and US$ and tell the EU and US their currency is worth less than toiletpaper. Pay in Gold and food if necessary. Good luck to EU and US. Putin can fix a deal with China and India and Brazil.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:15 | 4542678 Spungo
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Good ol' Putin. Keepin it real. I fully support him as long as he's in the defensive position and helping Crimea. I'll support Team West if he fucks up and tries to take over something else.
I wonder how many assassins are trying to kill Putin right now as I'm typing this. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:18 | 4542686 dexter_morgan
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So the EU and US have nothing to lose by pissing Russia off, it's only a one way street? Really?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:32 | 4542754 agent default
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I hope Russia delivers the external shock needed to bring the whole house of cards down for good.  One can dream...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:19 | 4542692 NYPoke
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that it risked "massive" political and economic damage if it refused to change course on Ukraine

 

 

Neville Chamerlain would be proud.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:21 | 4542700 Fix It Again Timmy
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Massive damage?  What's Merkel going to do?  Sit on Russia? Look out below....

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:34 | 4542765 agent default
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What if she did a live strip show broadcast all over Russia?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 11:25 | 4543038 Hongcha
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Merkel ... twerkel :0) ?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 10:23 | 4542710 yogibear
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Guess Putin isn't playing by the globalist/World bankster game plan so he's a bad boy.

You won't see Putin nail-gunned or jumping off a tall building anytime soon.

All he has to do is crash the American petro-dollar and reveal it's backed by nothing.

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