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Ron Paul: Putin's Crimea Invasion "Has Law On Its Side"

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The West will claim "everything Putin does is illegal," but while Ron Paul notes "he's no angel," the former congressman adds Putin "has some law on his side." America has a right of secession and Crimea should have it too - "it's such a facade," Paul explains, noting that "contracts, and agreements, and treaties" linked to the Sevastopol base provide Putin with a legal basis to militarily occupy Crimea, "Russia could accuse America of occupying Cuba because it, too, holds a lease on the land around the Guantanamo Bay prison."

Paul goes on to note the hypocrisy of the West and alleges US and European participation in the overthrow of Yanukovich... and for good measure discusses Diane Feinstein, the CIA and spying...

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Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:32 | 4546272 Independent
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Cuba has better beaches than Crimea I must confess.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:35 | 4546282 Alethian
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I've heard Crimea's pretty nice.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:49 | 4546335 SilverIsKing
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The banks along the Crimea River are breathtaking.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:02 | 4546393 Soul Glow
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I would've figuerd they were insolvent by now.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:12 | 4546590 AlaricBalth
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Dr. Paul is correct. Putin does seem to have the law on his side. There is a legal framework that seems to favor a Crimean secession and has its genesis in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244.

1244 was the legal basis from which Kosovo was able to split from Serbia. At the time Russia, among a few others, argued against Kosovar independence. Kosovar independence was supported by the U.S., the U.K., France, Italy, and Germany, and most of the other states of the EU. In Feb. 2008 Kosovo declared independence and, despite objections from Russia and Serbia, the US and EU granted Kosovo recognition.

Although the issue of self determination is still debated on the international legal stage, and each case is sui generis, Putin has taken the lessons learned through a loss on the Kosovo argument and used it to his advantage.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:27 | 4546625 Manthong
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"have the law on his side. "

Um.. so do we, but that does not matter to this government.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 02:24 | 4546781 JoeSexPack
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Self-determination means I can secede from govt's, & declare my property outside their taxes?

 

I secede!

 

Stop in for St Patty's, I'll buy...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:26 | 4546832 old naughty
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Follow the money, pleassssssse..."I care not who writes the laws."

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:46 | 4546844 James_Cole
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Laws? Can someone define that shit for me?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:30 | 4546888 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Read Kafka. Seriously. Come back in 5 years if you can make it.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 02:53 | 4546800 123dobryden
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Obviously Crimea has law on its side, not Putin

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:10 | 4546854 Joe A
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Yes, and a whole country (Serbia) was bombed over it. At least a 1,000 civilians died. Military losses were never revealed. NATO thought it would take 48 hours for Milosevic to give in but it took them 78 days during which not only military targets were bombed but also civilian structures such as hospitals, open markets, commuter trains and random houses in random villages. A whole infrastructure of a country was destroyed illegally because the campaign was not approved by the UN-SC. You see, Serbia did not give in and NATO didn't like that so shifted its campaign from military targets to civilian ones.

Not defending Milosevic for he cracked down on Albanian insurgents hard but after he pulled back Serbian troops and police from Kosovo the ethnic cleansing of Serbs, Roma and moderate Albanians started with the low point the kidnapping of Serbs and moderate Albanians in order to harvest their organs and sell them on the market. You would think that these perpatrators would be hunted down and brought to justice right? No, they were not. NATO used cluster bombs and depleted uranium of which people -especially in Kosovo- are getting sick. The first FKOR unit consisting of Italians are apparently now also getting sick and dying.

After the campaign the biggest US military base (Bondsteel) was built in Kosovo supposedly to guard Kosovo from these pesky Serbs but the real reason is to guard the Caspian an Black Sea just like Crimea can be used for that. And that is where the whole story of Kosovo and Crimea comes together, people.

Oh, and the legal basis of the Kosovo independence is not UN resolution 1244. That resolution approves the stationing of a military international force called UNMIK. The declaration of independence is actually against international law and Kosovo has not been recognized by the EU but by 22 out of 28 members of the EU with countries such as Spain and Cyprus for obvious reasons not recognizing.

If there is any legal basis (but it is not) it is the verdicht of the International Court of Justice in The Hague which concluded that the adoption of the declaration of independence of the 17 February 2008 did not violate general internationl law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'". And that is now being applied to Crimea because this verdict means that anybody can declare independence, even your neighbour down the road and his cat.

EDIT: the independence of Kosovo is actually based on the Ahtisaari plan. The plan considers Kosovo to be a 'special case' thereby implying that before international law some are more equal than others.
Reality on the ground of course is that 95% of the population in Kosovo is Albanian who don't to have anything to do with Belgrade. But the majority of people in Northern Kosovo are Serbs who don't want to have anything to do with Pristina. Are they also a 'special case' now?

The ruling of the ICJ was stupid. It means that anybody now can declare independence. That doesn't make the independence legal but the mere deed of doing so is not illegal. They opened Pandora's box with this.

Here are some interesting facts about the conflict in Kosovo:

Until 1997 the Kosovo liberation army (KLA or UCK) was on the list of terrorist organizations of the US. In 1998 is was off, in 1999 Serbia was bombed. Sources say that the KLA was trained, financed and supplied by certain intelligence agencies. The KLA killed Serbian cops and officials to which Milosevic so brutely replied to. Former members of the KLA are supposedly now fighting in Syria.

In Rambouillet NATO made Serbia demands they could not accept such as the unhindered access by NATO forces to all installations whether they are civilian or military in Serbia. Effectively this is an occupation. Ironically, Germany made the same demand more or less back in 1914. Back then also Serbia did not comply. No country would. Even Kissinger said that this demand was wrong.

During the campaign against Serbia, Russia sent a unit from Bosnia to the airport of Pristina. When Wesley Clark heard of this the ordered the now famous singer James Blunt (who was a captain in the British army at that time) to engage them. The British superior to Blunt ordered him to stand down and told Clark "I am not going to start WWIII for you". Clark was supposedly sent into retirement over this but now has business interests in Kosovo and Romania.

Lesson from all this is that there is no such thing as international law, just the international law of the strongest.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 10:02 | 4547575 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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And the parallel here is guess who was used as NATO assets and fought along side the Muslims in Kosovo. You guessed it UNA-UNSO aka Ukrainian National Assembly-Ukrainian National Self Defense a major paramilitary group that is running the government in the Ukraine and was the militant moltov cocktail fighting contingent of the Euromaidan protests they consist of groups like Pravyi Sector aka Right Sector and their political wing is the Svoboda Party aka the neo-nazi seig heiling, goose stepping Stephan Bandera holocaust worshiping individuals. They've been long term NATO assets used by defense contractors like Britam to fight dirty wars for NATO like in Kosovo, Lithuania, South Ossetia, Chechnya.

This is not speculation all that has been well documented and out in the public.

And the best part is jews or joos have no problem with these people.

See here for pictures with Victoria 'fuck the EU' Nudelman Nuland hanging with seig heilers along with another prominent jooooo and central banker who just happens to be the 'acting' Prime Minister Aresiny Yatsenyuk.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/there-are-no-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-and-t...

A prominent former central banker who is backed by the 2nd richest oligarch in the Ukraine Victor Pincuk who happens to be another jooooo who just happens to have strong ties to people like Soros, Clintons (hint NATO and Kosovo), European Foundation Center and the Ukrainian Grantmakers Forum and a partner of Yalta European Strategy. We collaborate with the Clinton Global Initiative, the Brookings Institution, the Peterson Institute for International Economics, the Open Society Institute.

http://pinchukfund.org/en/about_fund/partners/

For Arseniy's connection you'll need to use the way back machine since
http://openukraine.org/en/

has been scrubbed of all connections to find them.

And all these Euromaiden protests (the moltov cocktail throwing variety) all conveniently started once Yanukovych wouldn't sign a free trade agreement with the EU.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/29/us-ukraine-nato-idUSBREA0S0HW2...

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen criticized Russia on Wednesday for pressuring Kiev not to sign a free trade pact with the European Union, a move that triggered mass protests.

Ukraine, caught in a tug-of-war for influence between Moscow and Brussels, has been rocked by protests since it walked away from the EU association deal two months ago. On Tuesday, Prime Minister Mykola Azarov resigned and deputies rolled back anti-protest laws to try to defuse the crisis.

"An association pact with Ukraine would have been a major boost to Euro-Atlantic security, I truly regret that it could not be done," Rasmussen told le Figaro daily.

I'm sure all this shit is just paranoid tinfoil hat conspiracy coincidences.

Who threw the first fucking punch again and who did they want associate with when the first punch was thrown?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 10:11 | 4547683 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Since Victor Pinchuk is the NATO oligarch point man running everything behind the scenes in this some back history missing from this story remember Davos.

http://pinchukfund.org/en/projects/11/

On the occasion of the Annual Meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos we organize the Davos Philanthropic Roundtable in order to foster the growth of philanthropy in Ukraine and throughout the world.

The Philanthropic Roundtable is organized each year to bring together the world’s most renowned philanthropists and leaders from politics, the business community and the non-profit sector. It debates state-of-the-art approaches to problem-solving and seeks to inspire the new global philanthropists of the future.

Among the panelists have been Tony Blair, Sir Richard Branson, Bill Clinton, Paulo Coelho, Bill and Melinda Gates, Damien Hirst, Sheikha Al Mayassa bint Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, Jeff Koons, Jet Li, Shimon Peres, and Muhammad Yunus.

These supposed philanthropic funds are anything but.... Follow the fucking money.

Am I the only one who sees the timeline here...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 11:20 | 4548038 Joe A
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Some interesting information there...thanks

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:51 | 4546344 Soul Glow
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It's probably a good comparison.  I bet the price of sex in New York compaered to the price in Cuba is comparitive to the price of sex in Russia comapred to the Crimea.  And that, my friends, is consumer price 101.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:51 | 4546848 Joenobody12
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Regarding "Crimea coast is nice "

Google Swallows Nest Castle and see for yourself. 

 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 10:52 | 4547883 LMAOLORI
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Thank you it looks beautiful there I see it was a National Geographic best trip destination spot last year.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 09:55 | 4547573 TruthHunter
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"Crimea's pretty nice"

If you live in Siberia...

Mostly, because anything better requires a visa.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:37 | 4546288 National Blessing
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Dr. Paul is absolutely correct.  We need to keep our noses out of this shit-storm.  The zombies on the Crimean Peninsula love Putin.  So be it.  Bitches.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:41 | 4546303 DaddyO
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Why don't you try Yahoo or HuffPo with your pimping.

It's a much better fit...

DaddyO

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:48 | 4546331 ACP
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Damn, beat me to it.

+1

Technically though, the law is on Crimea's side, Putin is just an opportunist, waiting patiently for this moment.

Still don't think he will invade, but if he does, he'd get permission and pen agreements with the local authorities in the "upper east side" before doing so. A bloodless coup is always better than a bloody one.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:56 | 4546368 DaddyO
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Someone did post a copy of the treaty that created the Ukraine after the fall of the USSR and it clearly made provisions for the Russians being there.

It also was signed by WJC, then POTUS and several of the other stake holders at the time.

Putin is a thug but also has told the USSA to go shove it because he had the law on his side.

I have said repeatedly that Putin is an evil man and the hero worship here on ZH is baffling, but he is operating under the treaty everyone agreed to when the USSR fell.

DaddyO

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:07 | 4546404 juggalo1
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Doesn't the treaty guarantee Ukraine's territorial integrity?  On what grounds can Putin surround and harass Ukrainian military bases?  Maybe he doesn't respect or recognize the new government.  All the more reason to support talks dialogs and elections.  This sweeping in and annexing the place is pure opportunism.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:17 | 4546445 chump666
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Which means that any constitution can be overridden with military force.  FMD!  Paul, c'mon!!!  F*ck Obama, but lets just keep things into perspective.  What Putin is doing and about to do is frightening.

 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:15 | 4546877 layman_please
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show me the law which hasn't been ratified by brute force? all this law, democracy and freedom bullshit is for feebleminded. only 'rule of law' there is, is by brute force and if people don't start to comprehend and exercise it, then they have no right to complain other than to enjoy their servitude.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:17 | 4546447 XRAYD
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It is NOT a treaty which would be ratified by the Senate. It is a "memorandum" - sorta like the constitution.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:27 | 4546473 DaddyO
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What grounds did the USSA State dept have to spend $5 billion destabilizing the Ukraine?

Putin just stepped into the middle of the street and challenged Obama to a duel.

Side arms at 20 paces, turn and fire.

Now Kerry has gone and thrown down the gauntlet and placed a time limit of Monday for the fun to begin.

Prior to Nuland's F... the EU comment and meddling, the Ukraine was a great place to go and buy lots of steel cased ammo and spend a little time with some fine looking women.

DaddyO

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:19 | 4546454 disabledvet
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Putin is a dope. He's destabilizing and is causing a Russian economic catastrophe...which is now quickly morphing into a political destabilization.

Obviously the Castro Brothers have looted Cuba.
They ain't goin' to Venezuela if this thing heads South...but Brazil should be okay.

Same holds true for Edward Snowden.
On the other hand a full scale take-down of Muscovy and maybe Snowden really will get the pardon after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yfXgu37iyI

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:59 | 4546573 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The new meds aren't working. Let your doc know.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:47 | 4546744 Peter Pan
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The meds are fine. The problem is he is overdosing.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 10:17 | 4547717 TruthHunter
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"The meds are fine. The problem is he is overdosing."

Overdosing is the first thing people try when the "meds" stop working.

If one beer did the trick why drink a case?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 04:01 | 4546852 Joenobody12
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You are a very sick man. You need help.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:35 | 4546498 yrbmegr
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The Budapest Memorandum is not law in the U.S., despite signature by WJC.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:19 | 4546824 silvermail
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I'm not advocating for Putin.
I just stand against the lies, aggression and hypocrisy from US side.

Just a decent person, it does not mean pro-Putin person, is not it?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 07:19 | 4546985 Singelguy
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Putin may be a thug but the whole world is being run by thugs and criminals. Putin just happens to be better at it than most. It is not Putin being worshipped but he just looks better compared to Obama. It is all relative.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 19:30 | 4550239 rockface
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Putin is a patriot albeit a Russian patriot.  It's too bad America doesn't have a patriot as President.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 19:30 | 4550240 rockface
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Putin is a patriot albeit a Russian patriot.  It's too bad America doesn't have a patriot as President.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:06 | 4546403 Independent
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Why is DoChen even promoting this moron on his blog

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:16 | 4546438 XRAYD
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beaches or bitchez?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:18 | 4546452 LongBalls
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America missed a saving opportunity when it was cheated out of Ron Paul!

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 08:57 | 4547245 Republi-Ken
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Hey RON did you ever hear of the 1994 Treaty signed by Russia and the USA

to forever never ever invade and violate Ukraine's sovereign borders???

Ukraine gave up its entire nuclear arsenal as collateral. Got that?

Putin just violated his own 94 Treaty.

And Obama has no choice but to defend the written word of the USA to protect the borders of Ukraine.

Got that?

Its called International Law.

Hey TYLER why havent you told your readers the whole truth and nothing but???

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 09:03 | 4547278 LongBalls
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So the voters of Ukraine should take a back seat to an agreement signed by nations not their own while one of those nations is purposefully manipulating democratic elections? Educate yourself brother.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 09:08 | 4547304 silvermail
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"Putin just violated his own 94 Treaty."

- If in Kiev was an armed criminal coup: then Turchynov, Yatsenyuk and other is criminals. They should be arrested and prosecuted.
- But if in Kiev was an people's revolution: then this is now a different country, for which Russia, USA, EU, Crimea and Donetsk dont have  any legal or constitutional obligations. 

If you are a lawyer, you should understand that Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union after the revolution - it is different state.

And if you're not a lawyer, you should not try to use propaganda from faux news, as legal norms.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:32 | 4546275 Let them eat iPads
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The last sane leader left in 'Merica.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:37 | 4546290 Overfed
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Too bad he's about retired.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:44 | 4546317 SilverIsMoney
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He just started his own online network and writes and speaks everyday. I wouldn't call that "retired"

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:04 | 4546400 willwork4food
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Long Live Paul Craig Roberts.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:54 | 4546557 erg
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I've enjoyed listening to PCR for a few years now. Liked him from the git go.

He has an endearing quality of being able to succinctly describe something grim and follow it up with an earnest chuckle while his dog brays behind him.

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