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A Russian Explains The Real Stakes In The Fight For Crimea (And Ukraine)

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By Sergei Markov, posted in The Moscow Times,

Today, as a result of the Ukrainian crisis, U.S.-Russian relations have hit their lowest point since the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 or of Czechoslovakia in 1969 — or perhaps even since they bottomed out during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Crimean crisis, which began as a power struggle between the ruling authorities in Kiev and opposition forces, transformed in to an attempt to overthrow Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych by pro-Western and nationalist opposition forces with the support of the U.S. and European Union.

The crisis escalated into a conflict between the U.S. and Russia after the West supported a coup, then lied by violating the Feb. 21 agreement when it recognized the formation of a new and illegitimate government of extremists.

This conflict has the potential of sparking a new Cold War — something I never thought could happen in modern times since I believed it would have to be rooted in ideological differences. Instead, Moscow and Washington have billions of dollars of economic interests at stake, making this a geopolitical rather than an ideological Cold War.

Moscow does not see the revolution in Ukraine as an attempt to create a more democratic or law-based society. Instead, it sees the events in Kiev as an attempt to make Ukraine as anti-Russian as possible. The new government represents a minority of the Ukrainian population. It wants to suppress the Russian-speaking majority and violate their right to representation by holding unfair elections on May 25.

Moreover, U.S. President Barack Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel deceived President Vladimir Putin when they pursuaded him to convince Yanukovych to refrain from using force to quell the Maidan, and then to sign the Feb. 21 agreement — which they refused to uphold. Instead, they told Russia to accept the new reality in Ukraine. But why should Moscow accept that reality when it is directed against Russia, democracy and human rights?

What did Russia do to become the focus of so much animosity? Is it because it prevented the West from bombing Syria? Because it persuaded Yanukovych not to sign the Association Agreement — a treaty of little real importance to the EU? Those are trivial reasons for starting a new Cold War.

It seems that the West simply does not like Putin. He is a huge obstacle who prevents them from achieving global hegemony. For this reason alone he must be broken. Nobody in Moscow has any doubt that what happened in Ukraine will be repeated in Moscow in two or three years. Without Putin, there will be few world leaders left who have the power or courage to stand up to Washington. When this happens, the entire world will have to quickly accept the new reality.

Russia is not in Crimea to expand its territory but to oppose the immense power of West and its financial institutions in New York and London. Washington wants to characterize this as a conflict between Moscow and Kiev, thereby forcing Russia to negotiate with an illegitimate regime determined to destroy everything Russian in Ukraine.

However, everyone understands that this is a conflict between Moscow and Washington and that these countries should negotiate a solution. The question here is not Crimea but which reality the two sides are prepared to accept.

Should Moscow allow Washington to force it into humiliating submission and accept the possibility of a violent overthrow of the Putin regime? Or should Washington acknowledge that it can no longer impose its will on others? Both sides are unwilling to admit their weakness, thus making a geopolitical Cold War likely.

The West will hit Russia with economic sanctions to pressure Russian oligarchs into forming a fifth column, just as it did in Ukraine. To avoid this, Moscow will have to force oligarchs to bring their overseas assets back to Russia.

If Washington wins this geopolitical Cold War, it will install a pro-Western government in Moscow which could lead to the breakup of Russia. Siberia, the Caucasus and the Far East will demand autonomy, and the country's oil and gas resources will be transferred from the government to multinational corporations.

However, it is possible that Russia can resist, thereby fulfilling its historical mission of foiling the designs of those who long for world domination. Just as Russia stopped Hitler in the 20th century, Napoleon in the 19th century and Frederick the Great in the 18th century, it will stop Washington in the 21st century. This is nothing personal, just business. Russia has its historical mission to fulfill.

If a geopolitical Cold War erupts, it very well may morph into an ideological one since a Western attack would force Putin to rely heavily on conservative forces in the country's so-called "moral majority" in order to bolster his support. Additionally, Moscow will attempt to relieve pressure and find support abroad by stepping up its information campaign among the hundreds of millions of EU residents who sympathize not only with Putin's stance against Washington, but also his support of the traditional values that have been rejected by the EU elite.

Recent polls show that 80 percent of Germany's population sympathizes with Russian policy in Ukraine and only 8 percent favor sanctions. The online social networks in the West constitute an intellectual revolt against the bias of the mainstream media — all of which demonize Putin without any objectivity. Social network users clearly sympathize with Putin and their support will only grow.

Washington once transformed Cesar Chavez from a minor U.S. activist into a major political figure. Now Washington will transform Putin from his role as the man that lifted Russia off its knees into a global leader in the struggle against the global domination of Washington and the new values of postmodernism.

However, I would like to believe that the current crisis will not develop into a full-fledged geopolitical Cold War. After all, Obama thinks in 21st century terms, not 19th century. For his part, Putin holds many Western convictions. What's more, a geopolitical Cold War would hit Europe the hardest, robbing it of the balanced economic growth it needs and preventing it from consolidating its resources for something more useful. It is now the time for every responsible European leader to speak out against a new Cold War since they have the most to lose.

The way to end this standoff is clear: Ukraine must become a neutral state with a democratic government. It must grant full equality to both its Ukrainian and Russian-speaking citizens, adopt the policy of federalism and make both Ukrainian and Russian official state languages.

 

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Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:38 | 4545883 Jim in MN
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Oligarchs v. Banksters, bitchez!

 

Everybody duck, then light their pants on fire.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:47 | 4545918 booboo
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If I have to choose sides I pick "line" and saving my blood, powder and resources to beat back the local jack boots on my own soil. They stole this country right out from under our feet and I aim to be buried in free soil and not in some distant land one strata above Bonaparte's 18th century troops. Fuck their war and the Senators it rode in on.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:53 | 4545940 knukles
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Why is it that I'm getting the impression that everybody's just going through the necessary motions at this juncture?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:05 | 4545979 mvsjcl
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And without a whole lot of conviction. Even the excuses seem lame. There's a lot being hidden, including the reasons for all the chessboard drama. Hard to whip the populace into a frenzy when they know everything is lies anyway.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:42 | 4546113 Occident Mortal
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It's all about SudStream.

Gerhard Schroeder waved through NordStream (he is now chairman of NordStream's board!!)

Now Russia is building SudStream after Nabucco collapsed and TANAP is in chaos with Erdogen seemingly clinging to power amidst another quasi-revolt.

The entire Arab Spring is a cover for a Pipeline War that has been raging for 3 years now. The US is trying to disrupt pipelines linking Europe to MENA so that the US can begin exporting LNG to the EU from 2015/16.

Seems the CIA didn't count on Putin's tactical supremacy in the face of a shrinking and vacant Obama.

CIA soft power is no match for Russian boots and it seems the CIA crept too close to Moscow and the Russian supramafia.

CIA is now suffering a little blow back from their over ambition.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:00 | 4546178 JoeSexPack
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Energy battle is proxy for clash of civilizations.

 

Given that Rothschilds funded Lenin/Trotsky, that most Bolsheviks & USSR's worst killers were born Jews, most Russians see this Zionist-assault for what it is.

 

Lazar Kaganovich engineered famine that killed 7 million Ukrainian Christians (Holomodor).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich

 

Genrikh Yagoda was instrumental in the NKVD, Holomodor, White-Sea Canal & Moscow-Volga Canal disasters,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

 

Naftaly Frenkel's 'work for 3 months of food' policy killed over 2 million in Kolyma's gold mines, often digging with fingernails.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftaly_Frenkel

 

Matvei Berman engineered the GULAG system, & directly killed perhaps 25000 building the White-Sea Canal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matvei_Berman

 

Zio-MSM won't touch this to save their lives.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:02 | 4546185 National Blessing
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Here are the real stakes.  Putin wants a new Soviet empire.  A republic just doesn't cut the mustard for an asshat like him.  Bastards.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:10 | 4546209 Jack Burton
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Insightful!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:41 | 4546304 Troll Magnet
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Thanks for that, JoeSexPack.
Kinda makes alleged 6 million Jews killed under Hitler look palein comparison, eh?
And for that bullshit they made 60 million Holocaust movies.

Jews...SMFH

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:42 | 4546894 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Religion ...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 08:06 | 4547073 weburke
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god/king -with advisors and court. and our children -taken care of-. but the track record doesnt look kindly, and if you check, elites consistantly say earth should have 500 million people. bush with his 1000 points of light probably means 1000 cities. best to prep.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:58 | 4546569 Kirk2NCC1701
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Rehearsing for an MSM gig?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 04:09 | 4546855 Ar-Pharazôn
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please stop linking this bullshit blog. you're very annoying.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 07:10 | 4546974 Invinciblehandaxe
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@National Blessing

pull you head out of that zionazi ass

go PUTINko GOOOO

that coming from former Czechoslovakia

"occupied" by russian slavic brothers

so go fuck yourself ziobitch

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:50 | 4546546 FreedomGuy
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Did the CIA block Keystone, too?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:05 | 4545980 SWRichmond
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It should be apparent by now that TPTB want to break up all large political organisms, including the US, leaving only multinational corporations large and organized enough to exert power.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:59 | 4546176 shovelhead
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My thoughts run toward TPTB using up the military might of nations and bankrupting them all so they can simply step in and start writing the military paychecks themselves.

That lasts as long as it takes to get Robo-Cop up and running.

Then the culling can begin in earnest.

The perfect technocratic colonization society. Bees without wings...and voices.

I used to think that I had a slight excess of imagination. I don't anymore.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:31 | 4546263 Freddie
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Ron Paul: US has no right to lecture on Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n58IwCNw--0

I could cry that this man is not the President and never will be. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:22 | 4546451 devnickle
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"Then the culling can begin in earnest"

 

Bring on Robo-Cop. Invested heavily in the most precious of metals. Brass and lead.

 

Bring it bitches.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:21 | 4546240 zionhead101
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Your balls' drop off BITCH name the TPTB, or otherwise get the fuck out of fight club.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:28 | 4546257 zionhead101
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I agree with you 100% but I will name name(s).

The Zio's (AZC) that have been running the USA since 1910, and earlier, but let use the 100 year anniversary of anal fucking the US public as our datum in time.

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Look at SNOWDEN the ultimate man whore, and he's the new leader given to us by AIPAC to set us free from the very machine that AIPAC built (CIA/NSA).

The NSA will be privatized, I agree all country's will be NEUTERED in their power, accept the CHOSEN 'Country',ISRAEL there women will still and forever be treated like dog's. ( Women can't divorce in Israel, funny in the USA the ZIO's gave the women all the power, but in ZIO-LAND just the fucking opposite ).

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So all the CORPORATIONS, and NSA will be privatized, but HELD by TEL-AVIV power brokers.

What stand's in OPPOSITION? IRAN, NO-KOREA, SYRIA, UKRAINE,... RUSSIA, LIBYA,... most have been taken out. Soon nothing can stand up against the ZIO-SKYNET bitch.

Libya, done, Syria done, Ukraine Done, Putin will be done if he reacts, and so will China,...

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Also look closely at how the CHINA/RUSSIA are provoked, the CIA has shitten on PUTINS front porch. THe CIA killed beijing tourists in KUNMING, and now the CIA has stolen and killed 250+ Chinese citizens coming back from MALAY. The CIA ( LURCH/NETANYAHU) and McCain are trying harder than fuck to get CHINA/RUSSIA to hit back.

It's going to be a HOT summer bitches. Just saying, ... love you all.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:16 | 4546819 zhandax
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World stage or home; amazing how everyone gets all pissy after they have already bet on one side?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 06:10 | 4546859 Independent
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Why stay married when the gentile sex slave is much better in bed

There are an estimated 20,000 female sex slaves forced into prostitution in Tel-Aviv each year. According to a report released in 2005 by the Knesset Subcommittee on Trafficking in Women, between 10,000 and 15,000 women had been smuggled into Israel over the previous four years to work as prostitutes. According to the report, the women, who were mostly from the former Soviet Union, were sold at public auction for as much as $10,000 and forced to work up to 18 hours a day. On average, the women received only three percent of the money they earned from prostitution, and many were raped and beaten. Most of the women had been smuggled over the Egyptian border and lured from Russia and Eastern Europe on false promises of secretarial jobs.

https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/sex-slavery-–-the-growing-trade-in-israel/

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/3-000-women-a-year-trapped-in-...

http://www.knesset.gov.il/committees/eng/docs/sachar_yor_eng.htm

https://www.knesset.gov.il/committees/eng/docs/vaadat_chakira_shahar_eng...

http://unityofnobility.com/2013/02/08/jews-and-the-white-slave-trade-by-...

They are acknowledging it because of international pressure but you can be sure the laws wont be enforced, the cops are clients and get a cut of the action.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Prostitution-in-Israel-M...

But then its no surprise this is happening in Israel where one of the leading Rabbis, known as Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said....

"Goyim (gentiles, non-Jews) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel," he said, according to the Jerusalem Post. "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created." An "effendi" is a lord, or a master, in Arabic.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/1007/Rab...

Yeah Goyim you are supposed to work the fields and factories our oligarchs have stolen while we screw your women cause that is what a master does to his slaves suckaz...

I guess the Russian dude forgot to mention this is at stake also, being a Slave to the JEWs or a free and independent country, we all know about the Russian Oligarchs, there are tons of Jewish ones also in Ukraine, pretty much all of them are Jews (why are the Jews anti-Gentile and why do they steal so much and so often, is it because of a proverb in the Torah that says "Always Take", now I know not all Jews do this but there sure is a lot of scum that floats to the top)

http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/ukraine/ukraine_jew_cont...

Look its simple Russias Jewish oligarchs were running the country into the ground and Putin stopped them and turned it around, In Ukraine and the USA they havent been stopped and are Running both countries into the ground.  What about all the proxy wars for Israel in the trillions of dollars and millions dead, they are in charge of the FED and print dollars ad nauseum, plus putting us in a possible confrontation with Russia because the World Jewish Congress and AIPAC wants to protect its members who donate some of the stolen proceeds to Jewish charities and Jewish Old Age Homes.  Hey and who doesnt like to screw so nice looking Ukrainian, Russian, or Moldovan sex slave girl on their trip to explore their Jewish spiritual side in Israel.

Now look I know I am a little hard on the Jews, and I know some very nice Jews, I just think that if you consider yourself a people of the God you need to aspire to higher standards and ostracize people in your community that are criminals and part of a worldwide Jewish Mafia, that utilizes the Jewish diaspora, instead of letting them hide in your community because they corrupt you with donations.  This is no different than what had transpired with the Italian Mafia.  Organized crime is organized crime and it needs to be stopped, Shalom.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:13 | 4546425 fockewulf190
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One side drinks whisky, the other side drinks vodka...and they are both drinking heavily, playing poker for keeps, and clouding up their ability to think.  Both sides are also pissed off, packing serious heat, with a wide assay of weapons to use...some lethal, some not.  Problem is, both of these drunken idiots have long ago lost their health insurances, so when they both end up shooting themselves, they are going to end up being permenantly disabled and sacked with medical bills that will bankrupt them both.  Or, they both end up dead.

"Everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face."

Mike Tyson

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 06:07 | 4546922 Independent
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Unfortunately we are all in the room and stuck looking at the table

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:01 | 4545965 Pure Evil
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Wow, Obama thinks in 21st century terms?

Must be a misprint.

If spending all your time on the golf course or on vacation is the new 21st century man than I'm all in.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:08 | 4545992 mvsjcl
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Yeah. This guy is like a Russian version of our MSM talkinghead. Especially when he spews crap like, "I believed it would have to be rooted in ideological differences." When has war ever not been economic?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:40 | 4546298 FreedomGuy
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It's a bunch of self justifying garbage. There is this interesting assertion that Russia owns anyone of Russian descent or who even speaks Russian. This then gives them the right to intervene.

I think the British would be interested in this concept.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:24 | 4546467 El Vaquero
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While it is certainly possible that protecting ethnic Russians in Crimea played a role, everybody knows that it is just a secondary reason, if not a flat out excuse, to keep Russia's naval base and act as a roadblock to the US.  IMO, the more interesting statement was that he believes that Russia is next on the CIA/State Department's list.  I actually do think that the Russians might believe this, one, because they're Russian, and thus paranoid when it comes to foreign powers on their front doorstep, and two, because it might actually be true. 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:49 | 4546671 FreedomGuy
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Well, Putin is KGB and he knows the CIA better than anyone.

Putin and the KGB have had plenty of people on their lists.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:26 | 4546471 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The IRS is way ahead of all of them.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:11 | 4546876 Urban Redneck
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The British have already validated the concept - during the War of 1812, the start of the Anglo reconquista.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:13 | 4546002 TahoeBilly2012
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This is all so leightweight. Listen up. The Zionista's are going forward guns blazing and total global hedgemony is the requirement. You can debate what exactly THEY want or what that will look like (I can tell you what I think is coming), but that is what this is all about. The plan to weaken all Countries to the point of not resisting eventual global Government. That said, they need Putin out and they actually need him hanging from a rafter like Saddam. This is how THEY play the game (Kennedy, Saddam, Gaddafi, probably many more US Presidents). They need the Russian Orthodox church taken out. They need THEIR people in power in all places and THEY NEED ALL THIS VERY QUICKLY as time is running out. This isn't about oil it's about destroying the Christian Church and having their people in place.

They need an Arab Spring in Moscow and it isn't going to happen so get out of the way.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:31 | 4546264 Itch
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"You can debate what exactly THEY want or what that will look like (I can tell you what I think is coming), but that is what this is all about. "

 

Yeah thats right, you can't tell, and you probably cant tell your kid how to tie his shoe laces either, yet here you are trying to tell people that you are clued up on Jew plans for world domination. Blame it on the Jew, everything in it's right place. That way you can channel all your brain cell into optimal hate mode. Nice one, tell me when you have bitten your tongue off and i'll send an ambulance.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:17 | 4546604 Kirk2NCC1701
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Nice try, no cigar. This is not about "Jews", as you and many misinformed souls or agenda-driven Neocons proclaim.

This is about a SUBSET of Globalists and IMPERIAL-Zionists (not national-Zionists) who have hijacked the rest, the way our Manifest-Destiny Neocons have hijacked the rest of the US. And as the US goes, so do its lackeys, known as Allies.

Picture a model of a "Series of leveraged power bases". The "flags of convenience" are interchangeable, but the Goal and Agenda remains the same: One-World Government, via a group of CBs 'financing' everything.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:29 | 4546631 Itch
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Ok mate, you gather the evidence and we'll discuss how we go forward over lunch.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:44 | 4546312 FreedomGuy
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Well, if all your Zionist conspiracy theories are correct, then I have to assume they are the true master race.

A Zionist behind every curtain and world event and guys like Putin are really the good guys. Who knew?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:30 | 4546480 Anusocracy
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Rulers are psychopaths.

If you think that's what a 'master race' consists of, that's your problem.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:52 | 4546676 FreedomGuy
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They're not all psychopaths and as long as we are dumb enough to believe in the goodness and superiority of government "leaders" they will be a problem for all of us.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:23 | 4546616 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sometimes a Master Race is just a well-organized, cohesive and homogeneous race with the best Master Plan.

Nothing crazy or fantastic about that. It works for corporations all the time.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:57 | 4546851 StychoKiller
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You either read "Lame Cherry" or you are "Lame Cherry!"

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 02:11 | 4546760 LMAOLORI
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This portion below gives me chills its history repeating itself but this time the outcome may be far different.

 

"It seems that the West simply does not like Putin. He is a huge obstacle who prevents them from achieving global hegemony."


Our insane leaders are risking war with another nuclear power who is not going to want to give up Crimea.

At the same time the U.S. has people talking like this.

"Stephen Blank, a senior fellow with the American Foreign Policy Council  proposed long-term actions, suggesting the installation of a permanent Nato fleet in the Black Sea, and American missile defences in the Baltic states.

“If Russia tears up arms treaty, I’d say: ‘Be my guest. We’re prepared to spend you into the ground,’” Blank said."

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:31 | 4546804 kchrisc
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Here! Here! Best comment ever.

The enemy are here, and not over there. They are not in Tehran, Moscow or Damascus. They are not worshipers of Allah or Buddha. They are here in buildings and cars of the DC US government and their local affiliations.

Here where they produce grandiose schemes and lies to perpetrate (EDIT: perpetuate)themselves: Sandy Hoax, Boston "Boom," Weekend at Bin Laden's, etc.

The enemy are here, and now. They are the criminals of the DC US who are rampaging and killing throughout the world and imprisoning the American people behind their Unconstitutional and treasonous government.

The enemy are here shooting people in their homes, on the street, taking people's wealth, violating people.

The enemy are here and are here now.

The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying , quit playing
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.

 

"There's a guillotine for that."

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4545933 0b1knob
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To hell with all this liberal moral relativism.   Of course the US and Russia are both pursuing their own narrow economic and political interests. What do you expect them to do?

I hope America wins because I'm American and I don't like Russia because I'm not a Russian.  My country, right or wrong.   

But then its all hypothetical since President stampy feet mommy-pants will give the whole thing away and then go golfing.  I've read that he's binge watching Game of Thrones right now.   Because that's what's REALLY important.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:05 | 4545983 The_Prisoner
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It's not your country anymore. If you are an American living in the US you are living under occupation. You are chattel.

Putin's Russia is the only thing standing against a Fourth Reich. And before you get all patriotic, I am not talking about American Reich.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:21 | 4546020 BKbroiler
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My country, right or wrong. 

Well that stament is enough to get you downvoted 20 to 1 on the new and improved Zerohedge, your first stop for commie idolatry, apparently.

Fuck these clowns, nobody was saying this nonsense when Bush was destroying the world, but now that it's Obama they're all turning bright... RED.

You don't like Obama? Vote him out. get off your ass, campaign for someone you support, stop sucking Putin's dick because you need some macho asshole as a leader.  Russia has propaganda too and it's not any cooler to fall for that than our own.


Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:33 | 4546088 Winston Churchill
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Moron.

In case you hadn't noticed the evil empire controls both red, and blue teams so

your vote is meaningless.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:19 | 4546230 zionhead101
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Bush liked it in the ARSE just like Obama, going back to Bushes college days he was a coke and man-whore, just like Clinton, Just like Bush, just like Obama.

Funny that TEL-AVIV has made are US-MIL go full queer, and only gives us leadership that loves other men to fuck them in the arse, and then fills the TV and minds of youth that taking it the ARSE is freedom.

US PATRIOTS your all taking in the arse, and only a ZIONIST mother could be enjoying this collapse of the USA.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:45 | 4546102 The_Prisoner
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No, cunt.

Communism does not exist. What exist is Bolshevism and Trotskyism. Which have been the policy under Obama and Bush.

The fact you do not recognise it can only mean you are too dumb, in denial, or think you will benefit from the Fourth Reich. You wouldn't happen to be one of the chosen, would you? Either way, you sound like a cunt.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:45 | 4546125 RaceToTheBottom
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Logic don't work when you are competing with the inflamed loins of the Putin Mancrush team....

 

But thanks for posting it

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:33 | 4546835 123dobryden
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well in US, at least you have wealth spread a little bit more in your direction

Most of you here never been to russia and never will, maybe if you try to start business there, you will understand everything you have to know about your "only thing standing" country

i bet upon your return, you will gladly pray to IRS every morning, every night and you will happily hold ramadan to celebrate its holliness

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:15 | 4546216 Jack Burton
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The road to hell has been littered with the corpses of people just like you for centuries. You wanna know something. The patriotic zeal you show is just a big joke to your rulers, your masters and your betters. They laugh at your mindless self destructive patriotism. Hint, watch less CNN and FOX, free your mind.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:35 | 4546634 Kirk2NCC1701
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Says beta-sheep to alpha-sheep: "Maybe if we all grazed a little harder and didn't poop so much, the Shepherds would treat us better. So stop your bleating, shut up and graze harder!"

BKBroiler, guess which sheep you are?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:00 | 4545960 Canadian Dirtlump
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Reality is that the USA has caused more deaths in the Ukraine thus far than has Russia. Moreover this new leader ( Vicky Nudelman's favorite ) was installed illegitimately. If Obama goes golfing in Hawaii can someone go in to D.C. and claim he deserted his post? Forget the fact that a Jewish woman is actively helping legit neo nazis assume key posts in a government. Forget that every sound bit that the new leader has is in english. Thus far, I don't think that Russia securing it's port which is had paid for, as well as protecting a largely willing mass of people in a land mass that is historically contested is unreasonable.

 

My understanding is that Russia may have an ecnomic interest in some Industrial areas in the East so that may be the next step.

 

If turkey was going to see a coup where pro russian folks were going to take power what the fuck would the US do?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:20 | 4546236 vic and blood
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The Ukrainians are leading the way to more transparency in government!

The have cut out middlemen and puppets. No more bogus elections with a choice of two sides of the same coin.

Organize a coup and install a Jewish central banker.

Ukraine leading the way to a brave new world!

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:40 | 4546657 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clearly not everyone gets sarcasm. :-)

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:20 | 4546884 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Who do you think funded the Oligarchs?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:39 | 4545885 kaiserhoff
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Obama thinks in queer, parasite, illegal alien terms,

  and he has never thought about foreign policy.  That much, at least, should be clear to all.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:50 | 4545926 August
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>>>Obama thinks in queer, parasite, illegal alien terms...

And "cosmopolitan", above all.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:06 | 4545985 Pure Evil
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Well, when you got shaggy the sheep Wookie keeping you warm at night, you can't blame him if his thoughts turn to his time at the Reggie Love Shack.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:07 | 4545989 ThisIsBob
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Obama thinks like he is still doing roof hits.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:42 | 4545889 DavidPierre
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Fuck the UnTied States of Assassination and all the ZioNazis there.

Carry on Mr. Putin!

God speed with your efforts.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:59 | 4545957 holmes
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I hope Putin has 80% support in America

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:11 | 4546003 Pure Evil
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I'm not supporting either side. This whole escapade is going to cost billions if not trillions in the long run and guess which bleating sheep get to pay.

I would rather the a-holes in D.C. concentrate on the needs of the people in this country and stop trying to finance every proxy war against Russian and China.

The US house is in disarray and need of a remodel. We got enough problems at home with concerning ourselves with the problems on the Russian steppes.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:31 | 4546490 El Vaquero
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Unfortunately, our clownigarchs are making what is going on in the Russian steppes our problem. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:33 | 4546045 Cursive
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@DavidPierre

Look, I agree that the US has much blood on its hands, but would love to hear your thoughts on Putin's state-funded Nashi.

 

ETA:  Whyadda know, we got Nashi members here!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:24 | 4546055 richsob
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The Russkie posters on this website have finally jumped the shark with a post like this getting up arrows.  This is pathetic in the eyes of any sane person....pro-Russian or pro-Western.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:36 | 4546097 Cursive
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@richsob

Exactly.  Only an idiot would take sides here.  Both Obama and Putin (and the state houses of USA and Russia) are power-hungry meglomaniacs with no care for individual rights or the freedom of their countrymen.  I'm not siding with either.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:12 | 4546596 Yes We Can. But...
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In NWO v. Putin, I'll side with the underdog.

I like Vlad.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 09:08 | 4547303 Cursive
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@Yes We Can

Good luck with that.  How idiotic to that one would willingly embrace any despot.  It's a false choice.  It is people such as yourself - a willing slave in search of a master - that harm society for freedom-loving people everywhere.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 15:52 | 4560244 Yes We Can. But...
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False Choice? I call it a bad choice - with Vlad being the lesser of two evils.  A willing slave?  Nope.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:02 | 4546390 FreedomGuy
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He doesn't believe in God and a half dozen other things you might like.

Never thought I would see someone asking God's blessing for KGB.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:42 | 4545898 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Many Czechs speak Russian, but you might lose a couple of teeth if you start speaking Russian with them ...

Stalin exterminated some 4 to 7 million, yes million, Ukrainians by starving them to death in 1932.

Did he say federalism, or feudalism?

Some good points made, but the Bear ain't buddies with the Ukraine.

I think there are bigger issues, and a lot of them are long standing and follow the subterranean pathways of religion.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:04 | 4545976 Canadian Dirtlump
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The only proviso I would add is that Russia is no longer a generally godless mass of communists where a significant portion of the then leaders shared a common phenotype and lineage. I think the facts are half of Russia is buddies with the bear and half isn't and part of the half that hates the bear have a man crush on a man named adolf shicklgruber.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:18 | 4546229 Jack Burton
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Stalin was not a Russian. Beria, head of NKVD, was not a Russian. The leader of famine in Ukraine was Kruskev, a Ukrainan communist. Communist jews from the cities played a central role in attacking the peasant farmers of Ukraine. Russians were killed by the millions by the communist party leadership, that leadership was not Russian. How much do Americans know about the USSR? Nothing, that's what!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:50 | 4546338 Crisismode
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Links? Proof?

 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:24 | 4549199 Wen_Dat
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin

 

check with the CIA (above) assclown

 

Stalin was born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (Georgian????? ?????????? ?? ?????????Russian?????? ?????????????? ???????????Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili,pronounced [d???????v?il??]) on 18 December 1878[1] in the town of GoriTiflis GovernorateRussian Empire (present-day Georgia).

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:07 | 4549750 Jack Burton
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Read a fucking book and stop watching FOX, for fuck's sake!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:09 | 4546412 FreedomGuy
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Stalin was Georgian, I believe. Mao, Kim, Pot, and Castro were not Russian or Jewish, either. They have not been overrun by the famous Jewish hordes either.

Guess what they all have in common, historical genius.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:17 | 4546680 Kirk2NCC1701
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Stalin, who starved the Ukrainians (on advice from the Usual Suspects who ingratiate their way into power and influence), was Georgian.

Since they operate(d) in the shadows of power, they benefit from it, but don't partake in the inevitable blame & retribution. They simply 'leverage' their 'experience', rinse & repeat.

The guy who came after Stalin, was Ukrainian: Khrushchev. He handed Russian Crimea to Ukraine in 1954, for logistical & administrative reasons (as a peninsula) and as a gesture of Reconciliation.

/ I guess the Gesture was accepted, the Reconciliation was not. / sarc

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:33 | 4546461 Againstthelie
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Stalin wasn't even a Russian.

The tragedy is, that Putin, who stands against the NWO, has done nothing, to build a foundation for peace between Ukrainians and Russians.

Understandably he began to use the Soviet propaganda from the "great patriotic war" to improve Russian patriotism against the NWO. One must not forget, that the NWO already had Russia totally under control and only Putin and his old KGB connections were able, to remove the Russian media from the claws of the Jews and then to to start a reconquista.

 

Impressive how they attack Russia, for protecting traditional values and the family - or that Putin made it impossible for the US peadophilia lobby to adopt Russian children.

Putin also is not supporting gender mainstreaming and some other sick forms of Neomarxism, invented in the poison kitchen for the nations of the CIA.

 

But with his revival of parts of Soviet-propaganda, which is totally understandable from the Russian point of view, he missed the opportunity to make peace with the nations, that suffered heavily from Bolshevism. And what makes it even more tragic: it was Jewish Bolshevism, not Russian. This allowed the Zionists to use the Ukrainian nationalists against Russia, although they also do not support the Zionist NWO!

It's the old game: if politicians do not pay meticulous attention, then the satanic forces play both sides against each other.

 

Putin's father was Communist. Maybe that's one of the reasons, why he did not break with Soviet lies - he believes in these lies himself.

What lies?

For example "The Great Patriotic War": the name itself is a lie. The Red Army was placed on the West to attack Europe and Hitler and his German soldiers were only a few weeks faster (than the already planned day "m"). In the first six weeks of "Barbarossa" they made over 3 MILLION soviet pows. Or over 2000 soviet planes were destroyed by the Luftwaffe within 24 hours, because they were already placed at the borders for the coming attack on temporarily field-airfileds and not in depth, as any defensive airforce.

When the Bolsheviks realized, that they were about to loose the war and that the soviet people were hailing the Wehrmacht as liberator, they were forced to switch from the marxistic role into the patriotic role. That was the birth of the lie of the "Great Patriotic War". Invented by the Communists, Internationalists with the official goal of World Government.

What also many people don't know: Stalin did not celebrate the victory of the war. Because he knew, that it was Hitler, who avoided that the Marxist army could overrun Europe. And so the legend of the GPW has been established, while the Communists after the war committed several genocides against people that were supporting the liberaton from the red Globalists, and welcoming the Germans.

That's the tragic in all of this: that from the lies of the red Globalists these days the only remaining European country not under control of a ZOG, Russia, is losing support from the surrounding nations, who suffered the most under the red Globalists.

The lesson: true peace is only possible with truth. Lies always carry the potential to new problems.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:37 | 4546505 Itch
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Yeah, neomarxism was being cultivated by the CIA apparatus of the NWO, while Putin was innocently acting out as the great child protector against the American pedophile lobbies, while he rules a Russia brought back from the brink at the hands of Jews...

Where else would you get this shit other than ZH, i mean the biggest moon-cats on the planet couldn't concoct this shite with a free flowing supply of LSD. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:47 | 4546537 FreedomGuy
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I am with you, Itch. I am beginning to wear out on ZH. I was an avid reader and thoroughly enjoyed some of the clever comments and thoughtful replies years ago. Now it is becoming the home of moonbeam conspiracy types.

Most of the serious crap we need to worry about is right in front of our faces but there seems to be this predilection for invisible man-behind-the-curtain garbage, usually a Jew-Zionist but not exclusively. Every event is exactly the opposite of what you think. The less evidence, the better.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:37 | 4546645 Itch
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Reading the comments on zh is like being a tramps dentist...you never know what you are going to find, but you know its going to be rotten.

 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:56 | 4546685 FreedomGuy
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Hahaha! There is a morbid curiosity of sorts, too. I am beginning to like down arrows more all the time. It verifies my sanity.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:51 | 4546672 Againstthelie
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Never heard of Gloria Steinem? Paid by the CIA.

Never heard about the Frankfurter Schule? Cultural Bolshevism to destroy European culture sponsored and developed by the CIA.

But that you don't even know what happened not so long ago under Jeltsin in Russia and who robbed the resource sector, the industry and controlled the media fits perfectly to your sheepleness.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:34 | 4546733 Itch
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I never heard about any of that...did it work?

 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:51 | 4546850 123dobryden
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fighting czechs you only loose a tooth when you previously was diagnosed with paradentosis

 

39 - anexation of Sudettenland by Nazis - czechs dont fight

45 - bloody uprisings against nazis in poland, slovak republic - czechs dont figh

48 - comunist Coup d'état  - czechs dont fight

68 - russians occupation - guess what? 1 czech burnt himself

89 - so called velvet revolution - czechs ring their keys

2014 -  all productive assets, formerly owned by state are in hands of few - czechs are paying their bills

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:42 | 4545901 Ignatius
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What Markov is suggesting is that we all piss in the neocons soup and I agree.

Beer is on the menu.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:10 | 4545997 Anusocracy
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His conclusion is total bullshit.

Freedom is the paramount value, not the ever encroaching control of the 50.1% manipulated to give absolute power to the elite.

Democracy is for ants not capable of realizing they are creating an ant colony.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:10 | 4545998 Seychelles
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And we must always remember that today neocon = neoliberal.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:13 | 4546006 Pure Evil
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= neonazi.

That's National Socialist for all those out in Rio Linda.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:34 | 4546574 Againstthelie
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Well, the Nazis criminalized freemasonry. The German universities officially began to study it. Even until today the NS papers about freemasonry, their influence on German and other societies are classified.

The Nazis educated the Germans about the reality of "free press". That it did not exist, that it was a lie.

The Nazis educated the Germans about the international banking cartel. They even made movies to educate the people, for example how the Rothschilds and international banksters operated and how they profit when wars break out.

They educated the Germans what a PLUTOCRACY is and that the Money Masters were ruling the "democracies".

While the sheeple in the "democracies" even in the 1990s were still believing to be free!

Only the internet, 70 years after the Nazis had lost their struggle, has begun to open the eyes of the people again like 70 years before in Germany. The information monopoly of the "free press" has been broken. And now the sheeple suddenly recognize the huge amount of lies they are fed daily. But it never has been different for many decades! The only difference today is - just like for the Germans under Hitler - they recognize the lies and see them. That's the good thing, that this time not only one people is waking up, but the whole world has the chance to see the light.

 

Even 70 years later, the plutocratic regimes fear the German movies of that time. Because they explained already 70 years ago the world, what today slowly, thanks to the internet, more and more people are beginning to reognize: that the Western regime is a huge matrix.

 

So while the sheeple in the US and Britain were electing high grade freemasons like Churchill or Roosevelt, without even having a clue what it means, the German Nazis fought this ideology of Globalism and a One World government and supported the idea of the souvereignity and independence of the nations (=NATIONALISM)!

And as soon as the Nazis and their nationalist Alliies had lost the war, the globalists openly declared, when the UN was founded: World Government will come! Either be arrangement or by submission!

 

So the Jewish invented neocons have nothing to do with Nationalsocialism and are the ENEMIES of free and souvereign nations - they are One World globalists.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:03 | 4546693 FreedomGuy
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So the National Socialists were the good guys because they hated plutocracy and secret societies?

How did they feel about autocracy and other races? Put another way, how did they feel about liberty? Was that an illusion like a free press? Is our duty to pick the best autocracy?

Your types never ask the core questions of where and how these conspiracies get their power.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 09:26 | 4547422 dizzyfingers
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Againstthelie: "Well, the Nazis criminalized ..."

Proof please?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 10:38 | 4547787 Againstthelie
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In this case it's really easy, because in the meanwhile the freemasons have become that powerful, that they are even bragging everywhere about it. Bush sen. swearing on the freemason's bible and the sheeple do not even know about it, and much worse, are not interested in, because the 1000 TV stations and "free press" would report it anyway, if it was important, wouldn't it?

But here is a quick overview:

 

The Enabling Act (Ermächtigungsgesetz in German) was passed by Germany's parliament (the Reichstag) on March 23, 1933. Using the Act, on January 8, 1934, the GermanMinistry of the Interior ordered the disbandment of Freemasonry, and confiscation of the property of all Lodges; stating that those who had been members of Lodges when Hitler came to power, in January 1933, were prohibited from holding office in the Nazi party or its paramilitary arms, and were ineligible for appointment in public service.[9] Consistently considered an ideological foe of Nazism in their world perception (Weltauffassung), special sections of the Security Service (SD) and later the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) were established to deal with Freemasonry.[10] Freemasonic concentration camp inmates were graded as political prisoners, and wore an inverted (point down) red triangle.[11]

On August 8, 1935, as Führer and Chancellor, Adolf Hitler announced in the Nazi Party newspaper, Voelkischer Beobachter, the final dissolution of all Masonic Lodges in Germany. The article accused a conspiracy of the Fraternity and World Jewry of seeking to create a World Republic.[12] In 1937 Joseph Goebbels inaugurated an "Anti-Masonic Exposition" to display objects seized by the state.[8] The Ministry of Defence forbade officers from becoming Freemasons, with officers who remained as Masons being sidelined.[3]

During the war, Freemasonry was banned by edict in all countries that were either allied with the Nazis or under Nazi control, including Norway and France. Anti-Masonic exhibitions were held in many occupied countries. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Freemasonry

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:16 | 4546440 FreedomGuy
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I would like someone to accurately define a neocon and tell me who they are. Do they have secret meetings?

Best I can tell is that Neocons are war loving conservatives who never miss a chance for international conflict. The second characteristic seems to be that they can be neatly moulded into any conspiracy theory.

I think they are more myth than reality.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:45 | 4545902 Alpha Monkey
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John Corzine's youngest son dead... Someone doing gods work? http://bigstory.ap.org/article/new-jersey-ex-governor-corzines-son-dies-31

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:07 | 4546407 Das Capitalist
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Wow, you're an asshole.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:38 | 4546507 FreedomGuy
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God must have missed the right target.

Is Jon Corzine still free...and still rich? There is still no justice as long as he is both things.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:11 | 4546592 Againstthelie
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Well I have heard there exists a highly acclaimed religion, that demands the elimination up to the seventh generation.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:43 | 4545903 NoDebt
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Have I read this article before?  Something very familiar about it.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:20 | 4546043 Missiondweller
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Pravda, circa 1984

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:26 | 4546062 Cursive
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@Missiondweller

This piece is so "yellow," it would make William Randolph Hearst green with envy.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:44 | 4545909 Perimetr
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Nothing at all to do with putting US/NATO BMD in Ukraine?  Nothing to do with NATO's nuclear umbrella? 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:47 | 4545917 yogibear
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Looks like the Chinese and Russians will join. Maybe they'll join to attack the US dollar.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:53 | 4545939 yrbmegr
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Good luck with that

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:59 | 4545956 rubiconsolutions
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"Looks like the Chinese and Russians will join. Maybe they'll join to attack the US dollar."

Yeah, just like the federal reserve is attacking the dollar.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:48 | 4545919 zen0
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EVERYBODY JUST CALM DOWN!

Vlad has it all under control. The territory will split along the ethnic lines that exist now.

The Western pussies can only carry out covert operations against an adversary of equally destructive power.

The West has demoralized and dumbed down its population so much that they will never support a "righteous" war.

Unintended consequences, bitch persons.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 00:20 | 4546606 Againstthelie
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I'm afraid you are wrong.

For two reasons:

1. To split along ethnic lines, needs two nationalists on both sides. Not imperialists, not chauvinists and not marxists and chosen ones, that need multiethnic chaos to flourish.

2. What is the goal of the "West"? To get Russia under ZOG again. Would that happen, if the problems would be solved by solving the ethnic problem by separation? No!

The goal of the ZOGs is the encirclement of Russia with the goal of REGIME CHANGE IN RUSSIA.

The problems in Ukraine are not a problem the satanists want to be solved. They are CREATED to get closer to the goal!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:49 | 4545924 chubbar
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This is a near miss for me. I don't see how this becomes just a geopolitical event for one. The "west" is trying to dominate Russia incrementally. I don't see this as some other game. This Crimea event is where Russia either stands up or sits down. If they stand up then anything is possible, if they sit down then the West wins and they will subvert the rest of the world to their vision. Hard to know who to root for since our whole world rests in the balance and no one wants all out Nuclear war OR to exist as a slave.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:10 | 4546204 andrewp111
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If Obama follows Gen Dempsey's advice and puts NATO troops into Ukraine, it could become a big geopolitical event. The US deploys 100K troops in Ukraine, Rusia hits them with a tactical nuke or two, and then what? Obama has the choice of full blown nuclear war or putting his tail between his legs and slinking away in shame. What does he do?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:43 | 4546525 El Vaquero
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Putin is more shrewd than that.  IMO, if he were going to immediately respond with nukes, it would be a whole helluva lot more than just a couple of tactical nukes on our troops.  Once you pop, you can't stop, at least not on land.  To do stop likely means total annihilation.  Maybe you could get away with a couple of nuclear torpedoes in the middle of the ocean, but hitting land targets is a whole other story.  I think that he would rely on what has worked in the past on invaders:  The Russian winter.  Draw us out, stretch us out and watch as cracks start to show up in the supply chains for all of the sophisticated weapons that we have, then fuck us during winter.  A toe-to-toe naval battle in the middle of the Atlantic?  We'd win, and likely very quickly.  A conventional land war on Russia's homeland?  Yeah, that's going to be just a teency bit tougher. 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:35 | 4546734 Kirk2NCC1701
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Putin's "hostages" are not in the US. They are in few select places in the ME. The owners and Board Members don't escape.

That way, both sides (east and west) finally get peace. Not to worry, their 'God' will sort them out, or put an end to it.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 03:26 | 4546831 Global Observer
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Russia standing up to the West's military might and forcing the West to back down happened in Syria. This time it will be Russia and others standing up to the West's economic might and the West's economic/monetary hegemoney collapsing as a result. Either the Western elite are incredibly stupid and pushing past their limits or there is a grand conspiracy involving the elite of all the major world powers, military and economic, global and regional and the goal of this conspiracy is to end the Western hegemony precisely by pushing it past its limits.

Somethings that are certain are,

1. Russia will not back down. It has no reason or justification to. Russia violated no agreements. Russian troops have a right to be in Crimea under an agreement. That they are not in their bases is only a claim Western governments and agencies make. Russia is under no obligation to respond to every dog that barks. Russia is under no obligation to recognise the regime in Kiev.

2. The West cannot back down. After the huge noise they made over a non-event, their backing down will be considered a surrender. Unlike the case of Syria, they have not even stated exactly what they intend to do to claim a public/legislative resistance for the action to back down. So they are forced to "act", until Russia relents.

3. There will be no military conflict. Russia knows it cannot occupy Eastern Ukraine without bloodshed which will deprive it of the high moral ground it enjoys now. Ukraine can neither attack Russia nor invite Russian occupation by threatening the security of ethinc Russians in Ukraine which will give Russia the moral jsutification needed to invade. Any Western attack on Crimea or Russia will mean annihilation of the West (and Russia).

So exactly what form will the Western sanctions against Russia take and how will Russia respond. Freezing the accounts of Russian oligarchs or refusing visas to Russians and Crimeans is water off Russia's back and will have zero effect. It will also be poor PR for the West, punishing certain individuals for the actions of their government. So the sanctions at some point of time will have to take the form of exluding Russian government agencies like Gazprom from the Western banking system. That will force Russia to seek an alternate currency and payment system for its international trade. Since no such thing currently exists, Russia will have to join other countries in creating this system (actually only announcing it, since all the groundwork for the BRICS bank has already been completed). That will spell the end of the Western financial/monetary hegemony. At that point the West will have more important things to worry about than making Russia accept the regime in Kiev.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:54 | 4545927 buzzsaw99
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From this it is clear that the Russians do not completely understand the situation.

 

1. Stop saying Obama this Obama that. Obama is not Putin, he is a fascist puppet for the billionaires, the corporations, the military industrial complex, the bankers, and israel.

2. the usa maggots who really run things have wanted the cold war back ever since it ended. the usa people were happy it was over, but not the maggots.

3. usa policy seems disjointed because it is. there are a thousand different maggots with a thousand different goals, or really just one common goal, that is to kill, steal, and destroy, but it ends up looking all willy nilly.

4. they are correct in saying aspirations of world domination by the corporations and the bankers. as long as they keep that in mind everything else is a ruse.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:13 | 4546215 Dr. Bonzo
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Required reading. Nail. Head. Boom.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:50 | 4546749 Kirk2NCC1701
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There is a more honest and accurate word for the NWO they seek: FEUDALISM. 2.0

It's been done before, it lasted for a thousand yrs the last time. The descendants of them have not just disappeared or "died off", as they would have the Sheeple believe.

After a hundred years, they are coming back. With a vengeance. Serfs, prepare to meet your new Masters: the Old Masters.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4545931 NOZZLE
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Dispatch the F111 Nighthawks, oh wait you cant.  Im sorry Putin was not in power in the 90's so he could have put a stop to that shit the US pulled in Serbia. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:20 | 4546233 shovelhead
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You liked Slobo's method of cleaning house?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:54 | 4546559 NOZZLE
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It was General Mladic's way of cleaning up the troublemakers who needed controlling.  Sorry if you failed to understand the excigencies of the circumstances he faced thanks to the US fomenting the breakup of a nation.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:52 | 4546752 Kirk2NCC1701
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Abso-fucking-lutely!

True loyalty starts with one's own family, clan, tribe, nation, race, species.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4545935 YHC-FTSE
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I'm having one of those cognitive dissonance moments. A Russian, from the Moscow Times no less, makes more sense to me than all of my own nation's msm and politicians combined. How the hell does that happen?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:18 | 4546033 vic and blood
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Someone posted a link to Russia's official military doctrine. What a peaceful world it would be if the USA could follow such a doctrine.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2000_05/dc3ma00

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:23 | 4546053 Missiondweller
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What doctrine? Invade your peaceful neighbors when they revolt against your puppet government?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:31 | 4546084 vic and blood
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Cave dweller, Yanukavich was elected in a carefully monitored election. Unlike the coup that has installed a central banker. But you know these things and spew anyway because you are a neocon war pimp.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 02:05 | 4546766 Bunga Bunga
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And, crucially, the vote to remove Yanukovych doesn’t seem to have followed constitutional procedures. Under Articles 108-112 of Ukraine’s constitution (here), there are four ways a sitting president may leave office between elections: resignation, incapacitation, death, and impeachment. None of the first three happened—early rumors to the contrary, Yanukovych has vehemently denied that he resigned—so that leaves the fourth, impeachment. According to Article 111, impeachment must follow a specific set of procedures: Parliament must vote to impeach and then convene a committee to investigate. That committee must investigate and report back to parliament, which must then vote to bring charges. A final vote to convict may only come after receipt of a judgment from the Constitutional Court that “the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of treason or other crime.” Best I can tell, though, those procedures were not followed in this case. Instead, parliament simply voted—380 to 0, in a body with 450 seats—to dismiss Yanukovych and then to hand executive authority on an interim basis to its own speaker (here).

 

http://dartthrowingchimp.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/ukraines-just-coup/

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:06 | 4546199 Azwethinkweiz
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Idiotdweller, at least they have the balls to roll in and do it peacefully....instead of sending in drones and dropping bombs on innocent civilians gathered together for a wedding.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 02:06 | 4546768 Kirk2NCC1701
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You know what they say about guys/gays in Missions: Wankers. When not assuming the Missionary position, or making someone else do so.

NO FATE, No Gods. Only poorly developed brains and cultures.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:52 | 4545936 yrbmegr
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It does seem that the vote to remove Yanukovich in parliament did not meet the requirements of the Ukrainian constitution.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:18 | 4546034 Pure Evil
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What's a Constitution, it's been so long since we actually had one that I've lost all ability to remember what one was.

But, according to Shelia Jackson Lee we've had a Constitution for over 400 years so it must be true.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:20 | 4546041 yrbmegr
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Yeah, she stepped in it that time.  On the Ukraine vote, I understand it was about 3 votes shy of 3/4, as required by the Ukr. constitution.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:32 | 4546086 Cursive
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@yrbmegr

SCOTUS met (BTW, SCOTUS has world jurisdiction if you didn't already know that) and said that 74.4% rounds up to 75%, so the vote was constitutional.  Furthermore, the vote should not be interpreted as an act of dissolution, but instead as a tax on solution, thus said tax bringing on the advent of the legitimate dissolution of parliment.  Done and done.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:42 | 4546115 yrbmegr
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Can you post a link about the SCOTUS meeting?  I'd like to learn about that.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:56 | 4546157 yrbmegr
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Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:44 | 4546118 ThisIsBob
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"Its just a godamn piece of paper."  (George Bush)

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 02:11 | 4546772 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sounds like God-given Rights don't matter, when they are cursed by King George or his long-distant relative, President George.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:51 | 4546141 Son of Captain Nemo
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PE

What is even more amazing is when you ask yourself what that must say about the constituent(s) from her own district?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:52 | 4545938 Son of Captain Nemo
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I think these two sum it up rather well.

That there is still time to hold these Western leaders accountable for the chaos, theft and murder they created before they send us to a war they won't finish.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:56 | 4545951 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Nobody in Moscow has any doubt that what happened in Ukraine will be repeated in Moscow in two or three years."..

I very seriously doubt that!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:07 | 4545990 b_thunder
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This is correct, and that's what Putin is afraid of!  He's scared to death (literally) that sooner rather than later people will rise  up and ceise all of his palaces, private jets, and bank accounts. 

So now he's "scoring points" with russian nationalists, pro-soviet communists, neanderthals and other BYDLO ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bydlo )  which comprises approx. 70% of the total population. 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:17 | 4546028 Son of Captain Nemo
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And George Soros, David Rockefeller, Zbig, and Kissinger aren't afraid of the same from the American people and the rest of the World they are and have been looting there entire professional lives?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:20 | 4546042 Pure Evil
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Look, you can't argue facts with that douche bag, you just have to squirt up its ass or get out the hose again.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:24 | 4546056 Volkodav
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Urban dictionary?

Stupid post.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:02 | 4545967 b_thunder
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100% Propaganda, 1948-49 style.  When Stalin yet to acquire The Bomb and was scared -sh*tless about the USA.

Putin can't fathom that certain nations don't want to live under Russian hegemony.. He doesn't think nations have the right to self-determination.  Putin is Stalin 2.0, no less.

But he's scared sh*tless now, otherwise he wouldn't risk alienating 44 million of Ukrainians in order to take over 2 million ppl in Crimea.

 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:15 | 4546019 Volkodav
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You know nothing about Russia.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:59 | 4546175 Azwethinkweiz
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b_thunder, you also have never looked at a map and seen NATOs encroachment upon Russia's borders.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 22:22 | 4546244 Jack Burton
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State Department trolls are now out in force on ZH.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 23:38 | 4546508 TheFourthStooge-ing
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State Department trolls are now out in force on ZH.

b_thunder has to be a nepotism hire. He makes Jethro Bodine seem cerebral in comparison.

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