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What Happened To Flight 370? An Analysis Of What Is Known

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

UPDATE: As expected (see my analysis of ocean currents and drift-time below), the purported debris was a false lead. The revelation that the automated ACARS was still sending data on the Rolls Royce engines is not surprising given what else is known, nor is the Malaysian claim that the data is false. Engine data indicates Malaysian plane flew four hours after disappearing
 

The story gets curiouser and curiouser--but so far every piece of new data conforms to my basic analysis of the known facts.

Like many other people, I am following the story of what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 with keen interest. Much of what we've been told doesn't add up, deepening the mystery.

It seems to me that we can already draw a number of conclusions from the known data by pursuing a logic-based analysis of what is possible and what can be excluded as illogical.

Let's start with what is known:

1. The Malaysian authorities have been evasive to the point of misdirection, in other words, they've hidden the facts to serve an undisclosed agenda.
What is the agenda driving their evasion? What is known is that Malaysian security is obviously lax. This fact has caused Malaysian authorities to lose face, i.e. be humiliated on the global stage. Malaysia is an Asian nation, and maintaining face in Asia is of critical importance. We can conclude that one reason the Malaysian authorities are dissembling is to hide their gross incompetence.

It is also suspected that Malaysia is a safe haven for potentially dangerous Islamic groups. (Follow the threads from Pakistan's secret nuclear proliferation program to Malaysia for documentation of this possibility.) The Malaysian government may have an informal quid pro quo along these lines: you are welcome to set up shop as long as you don't cause any trouble here or do anything to cause Malaysia to lose face.

This provides another logical source of Malaysian evasion: if there is indeed a terrorist connection to the loss of the aircraft, this would focus the global spotlight on Malaysian tolerance of potentially dangerous groups.

That the Malaysian military was unable to effectively monitor the aircraft or coordinate with civilian air traffic control (ATC) also suggests incompetence at the most sensitive levels. Revealing this would also cause a loss of face.

Summary: Malaysian authorities have not been truthful or timely in their reporting. The logical conclusion is that they're hiding data to protect national pride and the true state of their abysmal security.

2. Additional information is available but is not being shared with the public. To take one example, the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) on Flight 370 was functioning and automatically sent data on four critical systems, including the engines. This data has not been released by Malaysian Airlines.

It also appears that the pilot of another 777 airliner heading to Japan contacted the pilot in Flight 370 and reported the transmission was garbled.

Even with the transponder off, the aircraft would appear on primary (military) radar. The Malaysian military tracked Flight 370 but is dissembling. Clearly the authorities are not revealing the full extent of what is known.

3. Satellite imagery did not detect a high-altitude explosion. This excludes all scenarios in which the aircraft crashes into another plane, explodes in mid-air, etc.

4. Flight 370 changed course and altitude, and then maintained the new bearing for hundreds of miles and an additional hour of flight after losing contact with ATC (air traffic control). This limits scenarios in which decompression causes everyone on board to lose consciousness or a catastrophic electrical fire incapacitating the flight deck to an emergency that enabled the pilots to set a new course before losing consciousness or control of the aircraft.

5. The Malaysian military reported Flight 370's altitude as 29,500 feet. This conflicts with eyewitness accounts from fishermen reporting a large aircraft at a much lower altitude around 1,000 meters (3,000 feet). If the radar altitude is correct, this suggests the aircraft was not experiencing decompression, as the pilots would descend as an emergency response to decompression. If the fishermen's report is accurate, then decompression would not be an issue.

6. Mobile phone data suggests the passengers' phones were still functioning after the aircraft lost contact with air traffic control (ATC) and the transponder was turned off/failed.

7. Releasing data from the U.S. intelligence space-based network would reveal U.S. capabilities. The Strait of Malacca is a key shipping lanes chokepoint, and is thus of strategic interest to the U.S. and other nations with space-based assets. U.S. authorities have already revealed that U.S. coverage of the area is "thorough."

This confirms that U.S. communications monitoring and space-based assets cover the seas around the Strait of Malacca. Given what is known about these monitoring and space-based assets, it is likely that the U.S. intelligence agencies have additional data but are not revealing them, as this would provide direct evidence of U.S. capabilities.

We can surmise that the U.S. maintains thermal imaging capabilities that can detect more than large explosions. We can also surmise that the communications monitoring networks picked up any signals from the aircraft or related to the aircraft.

That the head of the C.I.A. publicly professed ignorance is interesting. What course of action would one pursue if one wanted to keep U.S. capabilities secret? Publicly proclaim ignorance.

This is not to suggest that the U.S. "knows where flight 370 is;" it is simply to note that this is not "open ocean" comparable to the mid-Atlantic where Air France Flight 447 went down five years ago. This is a strategic chokepoint of great interest to the U.S., and therefore it is likely that U.S. networks and space-based assets collected data that would either exclude certain possibilities or make other possibilities more likely.

What can we logically conclude from the most reliable and trustworthy data available?

1. The pilots were conscious when they turned off the transponder (or the transponder failed) around 1:30 a.m. and when they changed course soon after.The aircraft was under the control of the pilots long enough for them to set a new course.

2. The aircraft flew an additional hour or more on the new westward course at cruising altitude.

3. No distress signal was sent during this 1+ hour flight after whatever event caused the the pilots to change course.

If we put these together, we can establish a number of logical parameters around each plausible scenario, where plausible scenario means a situation based on previous losses of commercial aircraft.

1. Pilot suicide. If the pilot had decided to commit suicide by crashing the plane, why not ditch the aircraft in the South China Sea? Why change course and fly for another hour?

Alternatively, the Malaysian military's reports are completely false and they were tracking an unknown aircraft near Pulau Perak at 2:15 a.m. (previously reported as 2:40 a.m.)

How many unidentified large aircraft are flying around Pulau Perak at 2:15 a.m. on a typical night? The possibility that the radar signal was not Flight 370 seems remote.

2. Mechanical failure that caused decompression or an electrical fire that incapacitated the flight deck. If such an emergency occurred, it enabled the pilots to change course and altitude.

Assuming a decompression event, we could expect the pilots to descend rapidly. If Flight 370 was indeed at 29,500 feet at 2:15 a.m., that suggests the aircraft was still capable of flight at cruising altitude. So either the pilots were still flying the aircraft or the decompression event enabled them to change course and set the autopilot before losing consciousness.

If the aircraft was being flown by autopilot, it could have flown for many more hours, given its fuel load, which raises the question: if the pilots were unconscious at 2:15 a.m., why did the aircraft suddenly crash 10 minutes later? Or did the aircraft simply leave the airspace covered by the Malaysian military?

If an emergency had crippled the aircraft's electrical system, it's unlikely the plane could have continued flying at cruising altitude for an additional hour. If a catastrophic electrical fire crippled the flight deck, how could the plane continue flying at cruising altitude for another hour, given that the battery backup would last at best 30 minutes?

In other words, the additional hour of flight time on a new course does not logically align with an emergency decompression or fire that led to the flight deck and pilots being incapacitated. A decompression event would have led to either A. a rapid controlled descent or B. the pilots unconscious/unable to take control and the autopilot flying the aircraft on the new course for many hours.

Alternatively, a catastrophic electrical fire would have either brought the aircraft down within minutes of the event or at best provided 30 minutes on emergency battery power. Neither jibes with an additional hour of flight at cruising altitude.

This leads to the conclusion that the aircraft was still being flown by the pilots, i.e. conscious decisions were being made by either the pilots or someone who had seized control of the flight deck.

If a mechanical emergency had crippled the aircraft, it seems unlikely that the pilots could change course and altitude but not be able to send a distress signal. If the pilots had lost consciousness but the rest of the plane's systems were nominal, the autopilot would have continued flying the aircraft until the fuel ran out, many hours beyond 2:15 a.m.

That suggests there was conscious control of the aircraft and that those in charge made a decision sometime after 2:15 a.m. that led to the loss of the aircraft. This scenario strongly suggests human action or error as the operative emergency rather than mechanical failure.

Either that, or some key data that has been released as fact is actually false.

Late breaking news: if the satellite images released by China (taken one day after Flight 370 went missing) are in fact photos of wreckage, then the Malaysian military was obviously not tracking Flight 370 to the west an hour later.

The blurry photo does not reveal much, but several features are noteworthy:

1. The three pieces are very large, which means they must be intact sections of the wings or fuselage. It is unlikely these would still be floating hours after a crash. We might also wonder, what sort of impact would create three large pieces rather than a debris field?

2. The three pieces are close together. Unless the aircraft landed intact in the water and sank in one piece, there would likely be a field of much smaller floating debris.

3. What else could this be? The large size of the pieces is certainly consistent with the scale of a 777.

4. Why did China withhold the imagery for three days? Did their own search ships reach the coordinates identified by the satellite?

5. The ocean currents and the location of the presumed debris do not compute. Ocean currents in the area are 2 kilometers/hour. Presumed debris is 141 miles from last known position This doesn't compute: the satellite image was taken 11 am Sunday 33 hours after MH370 presumably crashed; debris would only drift 33 hr X 2 KM=66 KM or about 40 miles from the last known position of HM370. Debris was 140 miles to the east--100 miles beyond what's possible in terms of debris drifting with currents from the presumed crash site.

In summary, these images open additional questions. There is no substitute for actually finding the aircraft or debris.

MH370: Satellite images show possible crash debris in South China sea

Malaysian military now reveals it tracked MH370 to the Malacca strait

Radar Blips Baffle Officials in Malaysian Jet Inquiry

The Mystery of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Malaysian plane sent out engine data before vanishing

 

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Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:46 | 4543880 Itchy and Scratchy
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At least the luggage arrived on time!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:49 | 4543892 Beard of Zeus
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Weird.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:50 | 4543902 chumbawamba
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Heads up: this is possibily the event in which "First Contact" / "Full disclosure" is revealed.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:56 | 4543934 DeadFred
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OT but Japan just had a decent sized earthquake. Aliens?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:59 | 4543956 TheTmfreak
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So CHS is some sort of expert on lost flights?

*Yawn*.... Am I the only person who doesn't give a fuck? I'm pretty sure more people were murdered with machetes in Congo or the Sudan yesterday than on this flight.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:01 | 4543971 stacking12321
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here is what happened to flight 370:

http://joecruzmn.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/airplane.jpg

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4543982 fonzannoon
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the size/scale is a bit off, but yes that is correct.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:08 | 4544013 Levadiakos
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It will show up again as someone's weapon. Mark my words.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:14 | 4544045 Herd Redirectio...
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Most plausible scenario thus far:  "[working] current theory is that the plane was hijacked but that the pilot flew it out into the ocean rather than to the specified destination."

From link below, pilots discussing Flight 370.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:31 | 4544146 0b1knob
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Semiconductor firm's entire engineering R and D staff was on the flight.   20 people.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/14/03/10/employees.en.route.to.improve.efficiency.cost.effectiveness.of.manufacturing/

Coincidence?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:37 | 4544187 Cap Matifou
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Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office. There were initially 5 patent right holders: 4 Chinese engineers plus their employer, the Rotschild owned Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

After the plane went down with the Chinese folks, sole survivor and patent owner is the firm itself.
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/27628741/

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:58 | 4544299 Herd Redirectio...
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Implantable chips, mark of the Beast, FTW!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:32 | 4544488 0b1knob
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"curiuoser and curiouser!" Go ask Alice?

So four of the smartest guys on earth, owners of incredibly valuable patents, just disappear?   Wonder if the flight landed some place, the valuable people were removed for a life of living-dead techno  slavery.   And the rest get a bullet in the head.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:04 | 4544658 Thought Processor
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Motive.   But still leaves a lot of explaining.   This looks like an intelligence op of some sort with the plane romote piloted to somewhere.

Those 20 are likely the reason though.

They are being held on an island somewhere until...........

 

I think something wicked this way comes.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 19:55 | 4545763 The Alarmist
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Clearly space aliens.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:38 | 4544188 superflex
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A Harvey Weinstein production.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:33 | 4544160 max2205
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Lot of lying going on

 

Last time I trusted a Malaysian he stole my rental car....gezzzz

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:34 | 4544172 bob resurrected
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Agreed. Flew south over the Indian Ocean? Turned north and landed off the grid somewhere in Iran? Repainted and stashed for future use as a dirty bomb? Who else would have unaccounted for and undeterminable HEU?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:10 | 4544373 Oldballplayer
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Isreal, Nork, South Africa, India, Pakistan....the list is almost endless.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:09 | 4544016 Keyser
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We'll just have to wait 30 years before they give the plane back... 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:31 | 4544147 McMolotov
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Why do I keep making a weird mountain shape with my mashed potatoes?! This means something...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:55 | 4544282 superflex
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Tear out some shrubs and throw them through the bathroom window.

Then you'll have your answer.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:23 | 4544097 MedTechEntrepreneur
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How much Gold was in the cargo hold?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4543980 pods
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Well the MSM (local radio) was playing up the Iranians on the plane, that is for sure.

If it was just a crash, no doubt they might just try and squeeze a bit of terrorism juice out of it.

pods

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:33 | 4544166 johnQpublic
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there is already eople analyzing nd saying those photos were photoshopped

check youtube

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4543989 redpill
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Does anyone know if the Boeing avionics respond automatically to explosive decompression by reducing altitude.  If the pilots got sucked out and the passengers asphyxiated before the plane got to a breathable altitude, a slowly burning fire or depleted fuel supply could have resulted in a crash after being a 'zombie plane' for a few hours.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 17:08 | 4544972 Poor Grogman
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They don't.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:17 | 4544061 johnQpublic
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big aircraft like this occasionally are stolen

my guess: this sucker is on the ground covered in camo

will be sold to an african nation in a year or less

or: frescale semicoductor passengers were 'needed' for some task and hd to be appropriated

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:28 | 4544130 Sofa King Confused
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A rumor going around says it was stolen and landed in the Cocos islands which has a large enough landing strip for a 777.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:31 | 4544148 johnQpublic
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i was just at the freescale website

they make some interesting big brother smart cities shit

also stff to watch monitor and locate automobiles, and anything wireles, net connected or wifi enabled

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:00 | 4544311 Herd Redirectio...
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What, you mean like people with imbeddable chips?

Most people are already being tracked via their cell/smart phone.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:17 | 4544716 Thought Processor
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Oh snap!

 

Hadn't thought about that.  You don't think freescale makes imbeddable chips do you..........

 

(Don't wait for the answer.  You already know they do)

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:53 | 4544885 dizzyfingers
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"You don't think freescale makes imbeddable chips do you"

I've read that they do make them.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:09 | 4544362 Thought Processor
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Hmmm.   Lot's of stuff for DOD.   Wonder what they have that is classified.  Probably a lot.

 

All of this points to an interesting direction.  Wonder what the purpose of the China trip was?

 

I think someone 'intervened' in this flight for a reason.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 21:20 | 4546038 Bunders
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Freescale have design and manufacturing facilities in China.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:41 | 4544537 vato poco
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OK, I'll be the one to ask the obvious stupid questions. A Boeing 777 costs around $250MM. A quarter-*billion* dolla airplane, made out of (est) 100,000+ parts. Since I'm sure that, as noted above, "big aircraft like this are occasionally stolen", are we supposed to believe that nobody thought to install an 'always on' LoJack on this sucker?

Also, in re US/China sat coverage of the area, it's been pretty well universally (albeit unofficially) known that satcams have been good enough to *read license plates from space* since at least the early '60's. Why the fuck are the recon agencies still playing like it's 1934 when it comes to their capabilities?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:01 | 4544641 Confused
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Listen, I don't know shit about airplanes. But I know this: If I can get WIFI on a fucking plane, WHILE it is in the air, during my flight, someone knows where the mother fucker is. 

 

Fact. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:42 | 4545897 A Nanny Moose
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State OPSec rule #3: Never allow your adversary to gain accurate knowledge of your capabilities.

State OPSec rule #6: Everybody is a potential adversary.

What good is all this data collection, if its application violates the rules?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:55 | 4544280 sgt_doom
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Outstanding recap and summary, but let's look at several other events not mentioned, or mentioned fully.

First, that misleading item from China about the debris near the airliner's filed flight plan --- Chinese officials are still paid off by the Triads, you know?

Second, the aircraft commander, or chief pilot, had an honest-to-the-gods flight simulator in his home which he practised on continuously the last some months (we ain't talking Microsoft Flight Simulator here, dudes!).

Third, activity around the KL airport prior to the flight of 370, and increased activity at the Chinese facilities involved with forced organ harvesting, suggest this might be a Triad operation (they are the largest criminal organization in existence).

Suggesting the plane was a heist (hopefully by a lone operator --- the pilot or pilots --- as if a Triad operation the fate of the passengers is most negative, but with lone operators a miracle may occur and we might possibly see those pax again).

Something mighty valuable must have been aboard that airliner.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:57 | 4543950 Headbanger
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I was just going to say IT'S A MASSIVE ALIEN ABDUCTION! TO SAVE MANKIND FROM THE GLOBAL WAR STARTING NOW!

Or it could have been hit by a meteroroid!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:29 | 4544434 ClassicalLib17
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Marshall Applewhite, Mr. Marshall Applewhite, please pick up the white courtesy telephone.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:51 | 4543911 Yes We Can. But...
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Here you can read the speculations of professional pilots on Flight 370:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-conta...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:19 | 4544070 Levadiakos
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Rolls Royce, the engine manufacturer, pulls signals from operating 777 engines every 30 minutes and they say the plane flew on for 4 hours or 2200 nautical miles.

 

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:36 | 4544184 SilverIsKing
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Whoever pulled this off did a masterful job.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:12 | 4544378 Thought Processor
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If it was 'pulled off' it was done so by a certain western intelligence agency with extensive spec. ops. capabilities.

 

Cause you know they've had the technology to remote an airliner for, well since 9/11 at least.

 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4545934 A Nanny Moose
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NASA Controlled Impact Demo - 1984

From crash test dummies, to elaborate insurance fraud, to grand-theft airplane?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:50 | 4543906 Beard of Zeus
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The passengers are at a resort drinking G&Ts and taking selfies.

 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:05 | 4544661 Confused
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The passengers (most) are pushing up daisy's, while the responsible someone is drinking G&Ts.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:55 | 4543929 DoChenRollingBearing
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An extremely curious case.

Ideas for consideration, not worth much:

1)  Of course the CIA would not reveal its capabilities...

2)  I mentioned a couple of days ago about the lax Malaysian airport security re fake Iranian passports (which might have nothing to do with the loss of Flight 370), but would parallel what the author writes.

3)  Malaysia does harbor Muslim extremists, ask Thailand...

***

I wonder what really happened?  Maybe we will find out soon.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:04 | 4543994 Thought Processor
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This is turning into quite the 'who done it.'

 

My money is on the plane being remotely piloted to a remote island for some 'National Security' reason.

But then the question is: who's National Security?   And more over, why?

 

Also-  99% of 'Terrorism' is state sponsored in some manner.  So the 'Terrorism' idea immediately should lead to a complicit State being involved somehow.

 

Where is Columbo when you need him.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:49 | 4544250 Protokletos
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Really?  That's where you're putting your money?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 18:13 | 4545323 jonjon831983
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"accidental" or accidental shoot down nobody wants to admit to?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:28 | 4544126 williambanzai7
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Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:32 | 4544150 DoChenRollingBearing
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That looks about right, thanks, Banzai!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:39 | 4544202 Bokkenrijder
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Here is a more plausible explanation from an actual B777 pilot on a pilot bulletin board: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-conta...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:02 | 4544319 Mentaliusanything
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United? Well mine was delivered to New York while I was in Vegas. Same as it ever was. Had to slum it in the Motel 6. But you know I had the best time of my life. 

In this case rests only tears. So scratch that you vermin.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:50 | 4543896 observer007
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U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location

Communications satellites picked up faint electronic pulses from Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 after it went missing on Saturday, but the signals gave no indication about where the stray jet was heading nor its technical condition, a source close to the investigation said on Thursday.

The "pings" equated to an indication that the aircraft's maintenance troubleshooting systems were ready to communicate with satellites if needed, but no links were opened because Malaysia Airlines and others had not subscribed to the full troubleshooting service, the source said.

Latest News on MH 370:

http://tersee.com/#!q=Malaysia+Airlines&t=text

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:50 | 4543899 pragmatic hobo
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my guess ... there is no conspiracy ... just a lot of incompetence.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:41 | 4544214 drendebe10
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It's Bush"s fault.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:58 | 4544300 sgt_doom
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Your patron saint is obviously ultra-neocon gaytard, Jonathan Kay, the clown who is on the payroll of that bunch who went over to it when PNAC dissolved:  Foundation in Defense of Democracies.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:52 | 4543914 Stuck on Zero
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Could the pilots have taken the plane down somewhere so that billions in bearer bonds in the cargo could be stolen?

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:56 | 4543932 cossack55
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Thats usually Koreans on trains in Italy headed towards Switzerland.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 05:46 | 4546899 Tompooz
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Actually, there are quite a few of these (Chicago Fed Bonds issued in 1924) in Manila.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:11 | 4544027 Quus Ant
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By the time we figure out what went wrong they'll be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:13 | 4544044 fonzannoon
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Clay...Bill Clay...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:28 | 4544118 Almost Solvent
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Amazing that in 1988 earning 20% was a real, rational, obtainable result.

 

Less than 30 years later, 2% is if you're lucky OR 20% from subprime 96 month Ally used car financing.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:14 | 4544401 Seer
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"Amazing that in 1988 earning 20% was a real, rational, obtainable result."

Rational? when we KNOW that perpetual growth cannot happen?  That "20%" was borrowed from TODAY (just as all growth is/has been- and, clearly, the true price is showing up).

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:47 | 4544574 Almost Solvent
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Fair enough.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:53 | 4544603 Seer
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For sure, it's interesting times...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:37 | 4544186 Greenskeeper_Carl
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so bart chilton did it? that sneaky sonofabitch...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:52 | 4543916 Quus Ant
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It's taking them a loooong  time to get the story together.  Someones not on the same page.

This is turning into a bad skit from "Who's Line Is It Anyway?"

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:53 | 4543918 joego1
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The only logical conclusions is that Aliens abducted the plane.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:55 | 4543926 Let them eat iPads
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The plane is in Somalia under a very large lambskin tarp.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:20 | 4544083 MsCreant
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Arrrrrgh!

Airship pirates matey!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:27 | 4544757 Oleander
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I am waiting for Gorgio A. Tsoukalos to give us his theory. He seems to be the expert on extraterrestrials.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:54 | 4543922 Let them eat iPads
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Good to know that Chinese satellite imagery systems are as high quality as their other products.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4543988 CrashisOptimistic
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Nah.  Never ever forget that satellite imagery is vulnerable to the simplest of realities.

Clouds.

It can take 3 days to get images if the target location is cloudy. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:11 | 4544029 inevitablecollapse
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SAR would be able to get through cloud cover with good resolution - the US knows if there is wreckage or not...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:57 | 4544623 Seer
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Um... if the plane crashed on land via steep nose-dive, in the jungle...

I think that it'll end up being something like this.  WAY too many eyes out there to NOT see any wreckage: which clearly would suggest that most are looking in the wrong places- and, maybe, there's lots of effort looking on land and govt(s) don't want to admit that their abilities to track things aren't as omnipotent as many would like to think.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:02 | 4544646 Big Corked Boots
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The Chinese stuff is probably just as good, considering all the tech transfer and reverse engineering they have done. If it looks bad, they probably ran it thru Picasa to make it look so.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:57 | 4543940 kito
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im with fonz on this one....aliens.....

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:59 | 4543953 SilverIsKing
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Illegal aliens or Klingons?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:00 | 4543963 Headbanger
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Body snatchers!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:02 | 4543976 fonzannoon
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I am still working on it, I am not sure if they are the short/green variety or the predator variety but I can only hope that for humanity's sake it's short/green.

In the meantime we can all keep playing this game of making pretend that this is not your classis alien skank, which it clearly is.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:05 | 4543991 Dr. Engali
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Illegal aliens would have invited their extended families and used the plane for housing. Klingons would have outright destroyed the plane leaving behind clear signs of their dominance and destructive capabilities. My guess it's Ferengi who would sell the passengers for sex slaves and scraped the plane for some beer money.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:08 | 4544010 fonzannoon
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No one said anything about Klingons. You are being ridiculous.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:12 | 4544032 Dr. Engali
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Would you believe Romulans getting the pilots drunk on illegal Romulan ale? .....No? Okay I'm spent.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:17 | 4544069 kito
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you can all laugh it up. but earth is doomed. save yourselves now. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:23 | 4544094 Dr. Engali
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I've got my towel, and I'm ready to hitchhike my way across the galaxy.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:26 | 4544119 kito
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i heard that the dollar is the galaxy's reserve currency. make sure you bring lots of $100 bills

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:59 | 4544633 Seer
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If it were illegal aliens they'd have never gotten off the ground (they pack too many on a vessel).  So, then, I think that we can rule them out.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:34 | 4544175 1stepcloser
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reptilians 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:57 | 4543941 TrumpXVI
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Restart the TV series, "Lost".

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:15 | 4544056 Herd Redirectio...
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NOOOOO!!!!  But good one.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:57 | 4543942 free_as_in_beer
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Oceanic Airlines Flight 815?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:59 | 4543958 youngman
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This is one of the strangest stories of the year so far...I hope it is found and the truth comes out as to what happened...the Enquirer wants to know

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:59 | 4543959 Max Cynical
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If the WSJ report is factual...

MH370 would have landed and been tucked away in a hangar before anyone knew it was missing.

The last words from the aircraft were "All right, good night" after the hand off from Malaysian controllers to Vietnamese controllers.

"Isn't it strange that the plane would coincidentally go off radar after just having signed off with "good night" on the Malaysian side, and before establishing contact with the Vietnamese? This way a long period of time would pass before either side notices something unusual."

It wouldn't be an accident the plane continued flying at exactly 29,500 feet...this altitude is below most airline traffic and the 500 extra feet isn't an assigned altitude which would make it a safer altitude to avoid a collision.

I would assume at this point one of both pilots are involved and that this is a very well planned and rehearsed government sponsored act...think Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc...

This was a red eye...the passengers wouldn't have even known anything was going on until it landed (assuming the pilot(s) were involved).

No doubt they would want the plane to use in an act of terrorism and it's probably already repainted.

As for the passengers...they now have +/-230 hostages. And judging from the conflicting info being released (perhaps as a diversion), it seems plausible negotiations may have been taking place for the last several days for their release...this must be a very expensive proposition.

The U.S. terrorizes the rest of the world...invading, occupying and droning citizens of sovereign countries. There are lots of reasons other governments would be pissed off at America. Next to Israel, the biggest target would seem to be the Capital, White House or Pentagon?

If any of this scenario is true, imagine what's happening behind the scenes?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:06 | 4544002 Thought Processor
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Yes, yes and yes to all of the above.   The clues are in the timing.  Very curious indeed.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:45 | 4544229 Almost Solvent
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The passangers & crew are NOT American (save I think 3 people), whereas the vast majority were Chinese citizens.

 

Whoever hijacked the plane is pissed at CHINA (maybe the US too, but mostly China)

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:46 | 4544851 Max Cynical
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The passengers are simply pawns...the hijackers wanted a long range (+/-7,500 miles) heavy aircraft as a weapon.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:21 | 4544435 FLHRS
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Your're dead on about the altitude.  No pun intended.  That's a big indicator that it was intentional.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:30 | 4544479 dizzyfingers
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"There are lots of reasons other governments would be pissed off at America."

So what, only 3 US citizens aboard; what's your point?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:48 | 4544860 Max Cynical
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Again, this isn't about kidnapping Americans, this is about acquiring a long range heavy aircraft as a weapons delivery system.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:26 | 4544747 Protokletos
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Your second-to-last paragraph makes zero sense. 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:59 | 4543960 william114085
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curiouser and curiouser

 

are those words?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:07 | 4544004 Dr. Engali
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Have you ever read Alice in Wonderland?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:28 | 4544131 gafgroocK
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Read it?

Man, we are all living it, Obama ...er..the Fed is in charge!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:11 | 4544030 dontgoforit
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Yeah - Alice in Bullshitland.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:06 | 4544001 Beard of Zeus
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It was diverted to a base in south Asia where it is being loaded with explosives and then readied to be flown elsewhere.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 18:03 | 4545283 viahj
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more likely it would be loaded with an EMP device and flown over the eastern seaboard

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:08 | 4544008 Scoobywan
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What we know?....

That was a huge list of assumptions and sterotypes.

There are 3 possible outcomes for the jet itself. The motives for the outcome and the people inside of the jet are of no concern of mine as their fates are the same.

It landed safely..

It was destroyed by some worldly event (missle, mountain, mech failure, gamma ray burst, oceanic methane gas release, etc..)

It has disappearred for incomprehensible reasons (aliens, wormholes, time warps, gravity wells, etc....)

 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:28 | 4544759 Protokletos
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Oceanic Methane Gas Release    LOLZ

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:09 | 4544012 buzzsaw99
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Due West. How strange. I wonder what the range of that aircraft was at the time it turned? Enough to make it to Somalia or perhaps Planet Zaxnar?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:11 | 4544026 Beard of Zeus
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It entered a hole in the space-time continuum and landed in 1963.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:17 | 4544066 TrumpXVI
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It'll reappear somewhere outside of the Bermuda Triangle, prolly near Miami International Airport.  The big question is WHEN?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:25 | 4544111 MsCreant
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No, no, no, if they did that it would be in our past and we would know about it, right? 

Holy shit! Is everything different and we don't know it man????

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:27 | 4544758 Seer
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Roswell?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:11 | 4544031 Payne
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As a Captain for the B-737 and ex military pilot, this is the best media analysis that I have read to date.  Good job.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:15 | 4544052 yogibear
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So the US tracked it to the Indian ocean. Looks like it traved for a few hours before going down.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:19 | 4544079 Youri Carma
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Semiconductor firm’s top management onboard missing MAS flight
8 March 2014
, (The Malaysian Insider)
http://my.news.yahoo.com/semiconductor-firm-top-management-onboard-missing-mas-flight-134107127.html

US firm says 20 employees on missing plane
9 March 2014
, (AAP - SBS)
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/09/us-firm-says-20-employees-missing-plane

Freescale are one of the worlds first and leading semiconductor manufacturers.

Specialising in industrial semiconductors and controllers, including those with military applications.

Not only do they provide hardware to companies like Raytheon amongst others, but also have a history of partnership as part of DARPA/defence funded research.

Freescale were bought out (in 2006) by a consortium that includes the Carlyle group (Bush sr. et al) and Blackstone.
 
Recently they developed this: Coming Soon to a Body Near You? World’s Smallest Chip to Be Swallowable
16 April 2013
, by Jason Dorrier (SingularityHUB)
http://singularityhub.com/2013/04/16/coming-soon-to-a-body-near-you-worlds-smallest-chip-to-be-swallowable/

Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
10 March 2014
, by Mike Adams (Natural News)
http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html

Non-Stop (2014) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Stop_%28film%29

TWO hijackers have placed a bomb in the plane. Synchronicity?

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nODrjQUR5YU

First officer on missing jet was transitioning to 777-200s
10 March 2014
, by Tom Watkins (CNN)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-first-officer/

The network was shooting video of the landing for use in a "CNN Business Traveler" program. Coincidence?

Tracklog http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370/history/20140307/1635Z/WMKK/ZBAA/tracklog

Passenger List: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:04 | 4544339 sgt_doom
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You may be entirely correct, or at least on target; obviously something was extremely valuable aboard that plane for it to be the object of an air heist.

And that is becoming more and more obvious by the hour.

The only question remains, what will or has become of the passengers onboard?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:20 | 4544430 Non Passaran
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Of course! The only copy of that valuable info was on a USB stick that was on that plane.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:29 | 4544767 Seer
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Well... I got it! :-) (good to update it to today's standards)

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:20 | 4544080 1stepcloser
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interesting stuff

 

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

 

Four days after a missing flight, a patent is approved by the Patent Office for maximizing dies on a wafer. 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX. Patent is divided up on 20% increments to 5 holders. Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%) Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%) Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%) Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%) Freescale Semiconductor (20%) If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased if not disputed in a will. If 4 of the 5 dies, then the remaining 1 Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent. That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.

 

Who owns Freescale Semiconductor ?? Jacob Rothschild through Blackstone who owns Freescale. Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all 4 Chinese members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane. Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved. Thus, Rothschild gets 100% of Patent once Patent holders declared deceased. Rothschild, you are an evil bastard

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:42 | 4544213 joego1
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Could explain why no group or individual has taken repsonibility. May also want to check into who shorted Freescale before the crash.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:06 | 4544347 Herd Redirectio...
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Jim Stone's the best.  Still leaning towards him being right about Fuku.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:52 | 4544249 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It is more insidious than patients and has nothing to do with joooos. Those patients belong to the company from the get go. The workers just get their names attached to the patent but the company gets the monetary rights at the end of the day. That is not a reason to wack people. If you were putting backdoors into logic gates on a microchip that is a different story patient or not. That is something almost no one would be able to find afterwards once in made it's way in production. The only people that would know are the engineers who designed it in the first place and their bosses who oversaw the project.

The tinfoil hat paranoid conspiracy theory loon in me would be very leery of any medical devices that use their microchips that can be adjusted wirelessly and remotely, you know like insulin pumps and pacemakers.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:06 | 4544351 sgt_doom
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No offense inteded, but I'll have to verify your info.

A tontine patent?  Most interesting.....

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:18 | 4544413 Non Passaran
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This is hilarious and less likely than the alien speculation above.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 01:49 | 4544695 Youri Carma
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Missing Malaysia jet LIVE updates: Boeing 777-200 sent signals to satellite for hours, 13 March 2014, Agencies  Ho Chi Minh City/Kuala Lumpur (India Today)
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/missing-malaysia-jet-updates-vietnam-to-recheck-area-after-satellite-spots-objects/1/349287.html
So slowly the monkey starts to show it's ugly head from the sleeve ...
But even this doesn't matter because we know that they tracked the plain by all sorts of radar equipment but just are not telling us.
At least it confirms that the first story they brought out was bogus to begin with. AWACS HIJACK PROVEN (Malaysian missing plane) http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/    Tie in.....

Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system   Was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Redirected to Diego Garcia? http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 16:34 | 4544794 Protokletos
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Hogwash

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 17:15 | 4544892 1stepcloser
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Right, so what do the Government's got for you!  I'm Sure Red will have all this neatly wrapped up for you soon on the Blacklist..Stay Tuned My Friend..Stay Tuned

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 06:27 | 4546939 zionhead101
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Actually this is 100% correct, the leaders in the world for super galium-arsenide chips have all 'been suicided' in recent months, not unlike the BITCOIN BITCH in Singapore.

Follow the CIA, and follow the Galium-Arsenide technology,

That's the problem with this script is that all satellite country's know what happened, but nobody wants to start WW3 other than LURCH/HILLARY & AIPAC.

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:22 | 4544090 MsCreant
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Someone blew it out of the sky by accident, and they don't want to admit it.

"I haate when that happens!"

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:24 | 4544101 LFMayor
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I expect it was taken out by Feydakin of the Contrail Liberation Front.

In the name of the workers, and all the oppressed people of the racist police state.  They have struck a fatal blow against the tyrranical Gaia torturers, who with their filthy polluting discharges have enslaved the peaceful deniziens of our Mother Planet.

May Algore receive them with proud tears and blessings and enfold them against his great, flaccid and hairy bare girth.  They shall now release the 2nd chakra with him foever and ever.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:06 | 4544348 LFMayor
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Man, i get junked for sewing together Dune, Escape from NY and real-life AlGore antics into a literary tapestry of delight while fucking hollywood is busy re-hashing any goddam movie that made 10 dollars in the past 30 years.

or was it because I pissed all over your golden calf?  Foot smelling, bongo playing patchouli oil drippin stinking fucking hippy...

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:25 | 4544108 stocktivity
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Nice job Tylers - you brought out all the wackos with this article.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:30 | 4544142 MsCreant
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You're here aren't you? 

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:26 | 4544451 DoChenRollingBearing
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Touché of the day!

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:25 | 4544112 iamtheeggman wh...
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all a promo for the next season of Lost

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:29 | 4544134 MsCreant
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Or Lost in airSpace

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:27 | 4544123 Joebloinvestor
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This is a good example of what you get from a Muslim country.

 

Mass confusion.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:30 | 4544137 iamtheeggman wh...
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dupe whoops

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:32 | 4544149 Miggy
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Malaysia is a devoutly Muslim nation and many of its laws derive from Sharia Law.

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/malaysian-laws-travelers-16211.html

 

I am starting to incline they are part of a hijack coverup. I believe Rolls Royce. The thing could be anywhere.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:36 | 4544181 sschu
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I posted the below a couple days ago.  Some things have changed as follows:

The biggest piece of info is the Pentagon reporting/leaking to ABC that the plane went down somewhere in the Indian Ocean.  They have dispatched a ship to the expected location, so we can fairly take this at face value as true.

They have intensively looked at the obvious locations around Malaysia, there is no sign of wreckage, so the plane is somewhere else.  

I do agree that the Malaysians are hiding something for whatever reason.  

Therefore the plane was redirected in the SW direction for a purpose we do not yet know.  It is unclear if it "landed" somewhere in one piece, but it does not seem likely right now.  

It was "hijacked" and the perps miscalculated is my guess. 

 

***

Based upon the facts we have been provided we can guess what happened to flight 370.  As the facts change, so can the results. 

The ATC people lost contact with the plane near the gulf of Thailand.  They use a transponder, so if the plane’s systems fail, it is no longer on their “radar” 

Reports are that the plane turned and headed back toward Kuala Lampur.

The P3 Orion was dispatched to look for the wreckage in the straits of Malacca.

Malaysian military reported radar sightings of the plane in the straits of Malacca.

There have been no signs of wreckage anywhere

Cell phones have been “connecting” indicating they are still functioning somewhere

Based upon this info, if taken at face value, the plane’s electronic systems stopped working while in the gulf of Thailand.  The plane reversed course and headed south/southwest.  It was “seen” by military radar later that same night in the straits of Malacca.

Therefore, the search for plane is off by 180 degrees and thousands of miles. 

It seems for some reason officials have information (mainly military) that they are not releasing to the public.  This likely means they do not really know where the plane is at this time or some funny business is being dealt with. 

Somebody has some splainin’ to do.           

sschu

 

 

 

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 14:39 | 4544201 tuttisaluti
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could it be that aliens are involved?

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:04 | 4544268 IridiumRebel
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aliens made me post twice

 

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 15:10 | 4544368 ThisIsBob
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No.  Anybody smart enough to get here has to be smart enough to stay away.

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