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Is The Deep State Fracturing Into Disunity?

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

I recently discussed the Deep State and "throwing Wall Street under the bus" with my friend and colleague Jim Kunstler.

When we speak of The Powers That Be or the Deep State, this ruling Elite is generally assumed to be monolithic: of one mind, so to speak, unified in worldview, strategy and goals.

In my view, this is an over-simplification of a constantly shifting battleground of paradigms and political power between a number of factions and alliances within the Deep State. Disagreements are not publicized, of course, but they become apparent years or decades after the conflict was resolved, usually by one faction winning the hearts and minds of decision-makers or consolidating the Deep State's group-think around their worldview and strategy.

History suggests that this low-intensity conflict within the ruling Elite is generally a healthy characteristic of leadership in good times. As times grow more troubled, however, the unity of the ruling Elite fractures into irreconcilable political disunity, which becomes a proximate cause of the dissolution of the Empire if it continues.
I recently proposed the idea that Wall Street now poses a strategic threat to national security and thus to the Deep State itself: Who Gets Thrown Under the Bus in the Next Financial Crisis? (March 3, 2014)

Many consider it "impossible" that Wall Street could possibly lose its political grip on the nation's throat, but I suggest that Wall Street has over-reached, and is now teetering at the top of the S-Curve, i.e. it has reached Peak Wall Street.

Consider what the extremes of Wall Street/Federal Reserve predation, parasitism, avarice and power have done to the nation, and then ask if other factions within the Deep State are blind to the destructive consequences:

How The Fed Has Failed America, Part 2 (March 12, 2014)

The Fed Has Failed (and Will Continue to Fail), Part 1 (March 11, 2014)

Can anyone not in Wall Street or the Fed look at this chart and not see profound political disunity on the horizon?

source: Poll Shows Why QE Has Been Ineffective (STA Wealth Mgmt)

I recently discussed the Deep State and "throwing Wall Street under the bus" with my friend and colleague Jim Kunstler: here's the resulting podcast, which you can download or listen to on whatever device you are using at the moment: KunstlerCast 250 — Chatting with Charles Hugh Smith

Jim's trademark wit and clarity guide the discussion, and he kindly lets me blather on about the Deep State. I think you'll find the discussion of interest; you certainly won't hear this topic being aired elsewhere.

I have covered the Deep State and profound political disunity for many years:

Going to War with the Political Elite You Have (May 14, 2007)

The Shape of Things To Come (July 8, 2011)

The Master Narrative Nobody Dares Admit: Centralization Has Failed (June 21, 2012) 


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Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:22 | 4548636 Dollarmedes
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Wall Street is symbiotic with government. If Wall Street has become a threat to the deep state, then so has government.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:24 | 4548645 takeaction
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This girl is HOT...Look.  Tylers..this would be a great article to share.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:35 | 4548688 McMolotov
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Lots of former Obama supporters are now realizing you can't polish a turd.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:40 | 4548707 redpill
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Ogolfer and his perpetual two term vacation is in lock step with Wall Street in lifestyle, the only way it could fracture is if someone got elected who had the balls to upset the apple cart.  Of course whomever that was would probably get shot* long before they were allowed to do much.


*tragic suicide with pneumatic nail gun

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:45 | 4548728 0b1knob
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The parasite is killing the host.   Time for the gigantic blood engorged tick of the deep state to drop off.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:11 | 4549471 CH1
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Time for the gigantic blood engorged tick of the deep state to drop off.

As long as everyone obeys them, why should they give up their game?

The tick anology notwithstanding, we're talking about humans here. As long as the suckers keep handing over their treasure, why should they ever let go?


Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:09 | 4549763 Poor Grogman
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"why should they ever let go" You rightly ask?

As long as the PTB can keep at least the illusion of the dream alive in the sheeples mind, the cleptocratic parasite of fascist corporatism will remain firmly attached, to the body of the people.

The sheeple must remain convinced that there is still a chance for them to improve their position, and pocket a greater share of the booty. Hence the government promises and handouts get more and more outrageous, and the welfare state bribes flow ever more freely.

Only when the state cannot hand out any more "free shit" will the sheeple wake up and realise that they have been picked clean.

This may happen in a currency crisis situation, where future promises go up in smoke, and purchasing power collapses, or currency's suddenly suffer a loss of faith. (Audit of FED gold anyone)

Then the real fun begins.

Prepare accordingly..

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:49 | 4548755 Bastiat
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Re:  Polishing a turd--word out from very close to the source that Carney is quitting.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:55 | 4548782 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Re:  Polishing a turd--word out from very close to the source that Carney is quitting.

Maybe he wants to work in a more respectable field, like organ harvesting or human trafficking.

The smart money says, "he wants to spend more time with his family."

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:14 | 4549776 Lost Word
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Maybe he has gotten tired of ruining his reputation

everytime he opens his mouth

defending Obama.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:04 | 4548825 sleigher
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Well if she can start to wake up then there might be hope yet.  Someone please explain to her the left right paradigm and how it doesn't matter who is in charge.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:40 | 4548958 James_Cole
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This is why the internet needs to be policed, people spend a little bit of time looking things up and they realize most everything they've been told by corporate state / corporate education / corporate advertising is bullshit propaganda.

Yep, not the onion. Folks who know knew all along. 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 20:22 | 4550415 putaipan
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will someone please explain to this guy that the "deep state" are not "rah-rah go usa" style nationalists. sheesh. what part of quigley does this guy not understand? for a little better informed writer on the deep doodoo- mr.scott ...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:45 | 4549015 Dark Space
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She's kind of cute, but her voice is annoying. Why does she stop taking her clothes off? It doesn't make sense when it's muted - any video worth its salt makes sense even without the audio.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:35 | 4549263 Herd Redirectio...
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LOL.  I got the gist after listening for 45 seconds.  But she is mega-cute!

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:22 | 4548640 DaddyO
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I'd say it fractured decades ago, we just now starting to feel the consequences...


Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:31 | 4548676 Dollarmedes
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I can name the decade: the 1990's. Specifically, the Clinton years.

Wall Street always had influence (as big money always does) with government, but Clinton's changes to the law and affirmative policies enabled the metastasis of Wall Street into what it is now.

Why did he do it? Maybe he thought he could import the same petty corruptions from Arkansas onto the national stage.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:40 | 4548708 RaceToTheBottom
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With the MIC, it was lots earlier

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:54 | 4548778 Bay of Pigs
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It all started in 1913 when the FED was created, and the last 50 years have been a total clown show (deficit spending and massive debt accumulation).

And yes, the Gramm/Leach/Bliley Act was the final blow from holding those fuckers back in 1999. The Banksters are clearly running the country now, not the bozo's in DC.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:44 | 4549008 Rakshas
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1913 was the begining of the current campaign but the war has been raging since before the war of independence ....... honest money is the worlds only means to freedom; although this will never be possible without dispatching the private central banks to the pits of hell..... just a thought.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:58 | 4549414 mumbo_jumbo
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i guess you missed this part of the equation.

and let me say I'm no fan of the fat narrator but the look on Regan's Face pretty sums up who's in matter which party is in office.

AND on a final note, my business has ALWAYS done better with a dumbocrate in the white house.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 19:25 | 4550224 Spanky
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Why did he do it? -- Dollarmedes

Warren Stephens was Bill's financial angel. At the time Stephens Inc. was the largest off Wall Street brokerage in the US. That and Winthrop's family interests might explain it...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:27 | 4548641 Ignatius
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Charles is trying to own the 'deep state' narrative, but he and Kuntsler's misses in these areas are legion (9/11, etc.).

They should stick to what they know.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:30 | 4548669 VD
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not limited to their ignorance of 'peak oil' ....

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:40 | 4548711 Ignatius
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Yeah right, the center of the Earth is a chewey nugget center filled with crude oil.

Peak oil is actually one trend they both understand.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:36 | 4549276 Herd Redirectio...
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9/11 is the litmus test.  And some people, sadly, fail.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:18 | 4549793 Lost Word
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Unfortunately, most people fail,

not counting the readers of the internet alternate news media.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:11 | 4549472 VD
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u too can join their peak oil hysterical club; juz rem peak oil is big oil skam on ignoramuses like urself to keep prices sky high - but u prob think oil comes from dinosaurs LOL!

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:49 | 4549031 Hohum
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Peak net energy extraction from oil is already in the rearview mirror.  Look at the oil stats in the Bakken for proof.

I think you're in the stage, VD, where you're happy that your balls are getting bigger but unaware that gangrene is about to set in.


Fri, 03/14/2014 - 20:26 | 4550431 putaipan
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:25 | 4548648 Okienomics
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"I think you'll find the discussion of interest; you certainly won't hear this topic being aired elsewhere."

Moyers might beg to differ....

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:28 | 4548660 Ignatius
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Moyers has weighed in, as well as Peter Dale Scott.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:31 | 4549243 MrPoopypants
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Peter Dale Scott was writing about the petro-dollar since at least 2001, when I first became "educated."  He also touches on JFK's conflict with the deep state, and CIA drug trafficking.  Gore Vidal was writing about the rise of the deep, dark National Security State decades ago.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:54 | 4549673 caustixoid
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Too right.  In fact I just read this from Peter Dale Scott, which is a good history.

The State, the Deep State and the Wall Street Overworld

He doesn't address current question though - if they turned on each other who would win?   I say the security state, unless they are still controlled by Wall Street as they were in the early days.   If those connections have been severed, well the security state can ruin you and steal your money too - they'd know your location, listen to your communication and know where your money, set and match. 

Truly Wall Street should remember the German industrialists that supported Hitler - didn't go great for a lot of them.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:22 | 4549805 Lost Word
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Peter Dale Scott was excellent in the past,

but unfortunately, he is getting old in years,

torch must be passed to a new generation.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:01 | 4548812 Shad_ow
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While he makes some good points he conveniently omits that Obama has a magic pen and Eirc Holder is as corrupt as any member of the deep State.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:16 | 4549162 rosiescenario
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Excellent article....too bad he did not cite Halliburton's receiving the first spoils of war in Iraq....

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:30 | 4548661 ebworthen
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If as a society we don't return to shame for sloth and greed with respect for industry and thrift we have reached peak "developed" world.

There needs to be shame and punishment for mammon-lusting, graft, corruption, selfishness.

Our society has devolved into a heap of juvenile narcissism and lustful excess.

Like the individual, for a society this eventually leads to ruin.

Storm the castles and roll the guillotines.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:30 | 4549236 Elliott Eldrich
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Guillotines? How unimaginative...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:35 | 4548663 FilthyHabits
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The party is over. Go home and get some rest. Don't be the whore who lines herself up in the coat room.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:29 | 4548664 yogibear
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Plenty of tall buildings in NY for these banksters to use and do the right thing.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:40 | 4548710 Ban KKiller
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We took up a collection and raised enough money to send out nail guns. With instuctions for best use.

Long 22 LR Bricks.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:26 | 4549822 Lost Word
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More likely the Banksters will use tall buildings for the wrong thing,

similar to their 9-11 inside job.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:30 | 4548666 adr
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When the parasites no longer have any hosts, they must suck off each other.

That is what is going on now. The rich are eating each other to grow fatter. Eventually there will be too few left to survive. But that last one will be able to live out the rest of his life relatively well from the level of engorgement. Like a 700lb man starving to death.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:32 | 4548677 eclectic syncretist
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Fuckin A right, and I'm lovin every minute of it.  And if they refuse a peaceful redistribution of wealth then they'll get just what they asked for, a violent redistribution of wealth.  History teaches us that these are the choices.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:39 | 4548706 FilthyHabits
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Admittedly, I like the sight of blood; literally.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:31 | 4548671 monad
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Left-Right shield. TPTB pretends to be split and do predatory things, the one hand pretending to be indignant and blaming the other hand when really just sweeping it into the memory hole. Circus. If you task your analytical scalpel laterally, you find that WS is the police state and the police state is the muscle for WS.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:30 | 4548672 waterhorse
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I recently proposed the idea that Wall Street now poses a strategic threat to national security and thus to the Deep State itself: Who Gets Thrown Under the Bus in the Next Financial Crisis? 

I would LOVE to see Jamie Dimon's pompous ass thrown under the bus.  Bring it on!

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:19 | 4548899 Seer
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Careful what you wish for!

I'd make sure to add the requirement that Dimon doesn't die instantly, that he provide ample time for people to come to the rescue (though, no rescue actually comes).  Give him some time to, you know, exercise the ability to show some humility...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:31 | 4548674 kito
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factions within the deep state? you mean actual factions, or the manufactured ones?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:38 | 4549293 Urban Redneck
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There was a schism exposed in '08 with the credit freeze between the titans of commodities and credit.  When the richest men in the world start bartering instead of using bank wires to do deals (i.e. cut out the bankers and their "fair share") one should take notice.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:11 | 4549470 overqualified
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they will find a consensus as usual slaughtering sheeples and sharing the spoils.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:32 | 4548679 russwinter
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Foreigners Dump More Treasuries and Deep State Operators Buy Them

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:42 | 4548714 DOGGONE
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I suggest that public opinion would greatly change IF these histories were ongoingly well-apparent:
The Public Be Suckered

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:44 | 4548726 Carl Popper
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That wealth curve is unhealthy. In a free market economy about every 60 years or so wealth vanishes and also gets redistributed in major credit contractions.

Those arent allowed any more.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:57 | 4548739 NuYawkFrankie
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Is ZUSSA fracturing?

Yes. Cue Vito Corleone to call a meeting of "The Families".

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 13:56 | 4548790 rlouis
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The ultimate resolution being what happened to Gaddafi, Hussein, and Edmund Safra (link) - perhaps even Madoff's or Corzine's son's suicides were a punishment.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:04 | 4548826 libertysghost
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Great short point made here in the article that some here on (even on) ZH still don't understand for a variety of reasons, and therefore can't accept or take advantage of.  "Elites" are not a monolithic being.  Spread them out globally, and they are even less monolithic. 

It is commonly recognized that those who wield great power today are sociopathic (at the least) but people ignore that this circumstance REQUIRES those same elites to act irrationally and with paranoia.  Why do empires ultimately fail?  Because the elite classes within them became incompetent over time due to their purging of "talent" that represented supposed "threats" to the ruling class...the paranoia.  The further they pushed down the talented the quicker it sprang up once an opening occurred challenging the status quo elites by simply offering up better alternatives to larger portions of "average people".  It's practically Darwinian...elitism discourages adaptation by design and mental defect. 

Toss in a historical communication transformation like the internet (analogous to the printing press) and it's really hard for centralized systems to keep their shit together and maintain legitimacy.  It isn't going to take centuries for the massive social changes to occur this time either. 

Without the printing press you don't have a permanent split in the Christian church, the explosion of 'free-market" activities that propel Europe to colonize half the world, you don't have the permanent settlement of the western hemisphere at that time (the people who stayed rather than just plunder were the refugees of the Reformation) and you don't have monarchical and religious kingdoms replaced with a nation-state system...oh yeah, no Enlightenment either. 


HMMM?  Did people living during the Enlightenment realize they were living during the Enlightenment?  Do you? 

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:16 | 4548885 Seer
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Empires collapse because they are unable to continue expansion.  This "failure" more to do with an inability to pull in more resources than it does about holding on to some moral/ethical/ideological practice.

It's a finite planet.  Even if an empire were to take over the entire planet it would succumb to an end for a lack of resources (to stoke growth).

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:59 | 4549709 libertysghost
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True enough I guess...kinda...but not mutually exclusive problems.  With innovation (which pathological leadership quashes out of paranoia/fear competition) that "finite" timeline can theoretically be extended indefinitely considering the relative brevity of human "civilization".  My point is more that power centralization reduces productivity, innovation, etc. thereby making those "finite" resource problems occur much quicker.  

"Horse power" was limited by the number of houses that could be fed until the combustion engine was created...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:19 | 4549795 Seer
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The challenge would be to find ANY society/civilization that has advanced for any substantial number of years w/o increasing its dependence and consumption of physical resources.  I think that the Japanese had one (16th century?): operable word being "had."

""Horse power" was limited by the number of houses that could be fed until the combustion engine was created..."

Limitations to the horses.  Limitations to the available fuel for combustion engines.  However, much of the world still operates based on four-legged power (oxen and water buffalo).

"My point is more that power centralization reduces productivity, innovation, etc. thereby making those "finite" resource problems occur much quicker."

It's summed up in/by Jevons Paradox.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:34 | 4549863 Lost Word
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Ancient and medieval and modern Kings

always fought against each other

for more power or ultimate power.


Only difference today, we have Presidents and CEO's and Banksters

acting like Kings.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:07 | 4548843 kellycriterion
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If you desire a better understanding of our official government, unofficial government, and shadow government study crime syndicates and criminal associates.

You have formal hierarchies coexisting with fluid entrepreneurial operations. Jockeying for power occurs within and among crime syndicates and their associates.

Now you can draw parallels with fascist and oligarchic structures. But they tend to be more rigid, exclusive, and less entrepreneurial.

Deep State? Obfuscation of the obvious.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:01 | 4549089 Ifigenia
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watching GodFather is enoguh.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:22 | 4548907 q99x2
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Dude sounds like an academic. There are fucking bullets flying, banksters falling from buildings and an army of DHS prepared to kill alll Americans. Control of the price of gold is being lost and Russia and China are calling the shots. Meanwhile Wall Street is so broke its influence is deteriorating proportionately. And everyone in the world is ready to rustle up the oligarchs and put them and their families to rest forever. Throw your academia into that M'fer.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:22 | 4548908 Seer
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Charles!  At one point I was all over your ass suggesting that you didn't have a clue, that you were failing to understand the implications of perpetual growth on a finite planet, that this was THE underlying problem propping up all other problems.  It seemed that you picked up on this.  Now you're dropping back to picking at the the nits as though they're key...

I suppose that you have to write.  BUT, at some point we've got to stop writing and start doing.  If we ALL turned and walked away there would be no time or ability to sit down and write; at that time what would YOU do?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:30 | 4548914 DollarMenu
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Interesting concepts being discussed in the podcast.

I can only 'hope' (it's such a devalued word now) that there are divisions and factions being aroused within the deep state, that some kind of peak-wall street event occurs, and that there will be a chance for an optimistic twist on thinking.

Heard a good interview with Catherine Austin Fitts and Greg Hunter that has some of the same promising elements.

Greg has a tendency toward the hysteric, but CAF keeps him on track.

Edit to add link:

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:29 | 4548942 Duc888
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Empires collapse because of greed.  Before they collapse they feed on the bones of the producers.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:53 | 4549054 Seer
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"Empires collapse because of greed."

Um, well... greed is essentially growth: greed is always about expansionary aims, never about deflationary aims).  As such, the "culprit" is, quite simply, "growth."  As we continue to buy into the paradigm of perpetual growth on a finite planet we're buying into a HUGE lie, and once we're IN we're IN.  The cons are the only ones involved...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:45 | 4549012 Notsobadwlad
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I think what is happening is that a greater and greater number of people are waking up to the corrupted and corrupting nature of the "deep state" and this is causing all sorts of conflict.

However, in my opinion those in control believe that the conflict is a NECESSARY progression toward what they believe will be the better world (for them) on the other side.

One has to understand that those in control don't give a damn about the people or the governments or any of the useful idiots they employ (including Wall Street) to achieve their ends. My guess is that the useful idiots on Wall Street have no clue whose agenda they are serving or to what ends... same with the NSA types.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:46 | 4549016 RabbitOne
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I spent most of my career before I retired in finance. The same “income inequality” chart, as in this presentation, popped up over and over again in the last 20 years. I finally asked a savvy finance manager I knew to explain how they came up with these charts. He laughed when I asked him and said “…most of these political “wealth” charts are BS. They take wealth to mean all property, possessions and money in any form. This means they add things into the wealth category that do not really belong their such as your 401K, houses, etc… where financial and investment people are looking only at real wealth as short term “liquid” assets that can quickly go to cash. These differing methods of defining wealth produce vastly different charts…”  


Then he went on to say “Defining wealth using all property, possessions and money politically can have some negative implementations. Imagine the guy who owns a business worth a million bucks but it generates only $30K a year income. All the politicians see is the million bucks to tax and redistribute but not the $30K a year alone to tax. This makes the business owner a target. If carried to extremes the politicians run the guy out of business with their greed for his million bucks….The same example of can be used with a retired plumber with a million in his $401K that pays 30K a year. Guess which the politician wants to go after…”  

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:01 | 4549093 Seer
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No, it's about what you CONTROL.

If you control a large facility then that facility is going to require more services to manage than some small shack, so that's why taxation is likely higher.  I've got Ag land, and this land is taxed less than others because my animals aren't going to be calling 911 nor will my many "empty" acres be calling 911. [and if you are the sole owner of that facility then at ANY time you can close it and liquidate- at that point you'll of course be asked to pay tithings]).

Anyone who thinks that their 401K isn't wealth, well, when the overwhelming majority of humans on this planet live on $3/day or less I'd have to differ.  One can "cash" in that 401K (and, of course, pay a tax penalty- it is, after all, a contract), and, most likely, at least buy a meal.

For fuck's sake, nothing like pulling up the "plumber" shit again... (people really know how to try and hit all the hot buttons)

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 14:59 | 4549081 kellycriterion
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While I'm on the subject, the Crime Syndicate Models use corruption and deception first, then intimidation, then force. Other models tend to be more force up front.

The Crime Syndicate Model is more robust, more flexible, it isn't tied to any particular ideology. It can pick and chose among the ideological spiels and rationalizations that have sold well in the past according to circumstance and which way political winds are blowing.

The Crime Syndicate model has emerged triumphant, but people don't seem to notice. If I were a youth I'd join up. I don't really think the Hyper Inflated ZeroHero Zombie Apocalypse Gunman career path is really that promising.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:05 | 4549114 Seer
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ALL pretty much require suckers/weak people.

"I don't really think the Hyper Inflated ZeroHero Zombie Apocalypse Gunman career path is really that promising."

Nothing is going to be total or continual.  All sorts of things will occur, intensity differing from place to place and at different times.

Adapting to change.  That's how nature does it.  Best not to rule anything out unless one wants to perhaps end up dying for one's beliefs (and, being wrong- oops).

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:40 | 4549892 Radical Marijuana
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kellycrition's excellent summary of the "Crime Syndicate Models" overlooks one reason why an intelligent youth would have a hard time signing up, and that is the longer term consequences of controlling civilization by applying the methods of organized crime drives that society as a whole towards mad self-destruction of itself, and most of the rest of the life on the planet.

The sequence of short-term triumphs of organized crime drives it towards the paradox of final failure from too much of that kind of "success." Tragically, there is apparently no practical way to prevent that from happening. Enough people would have to understand the Crime Syndicate Model in order to apply it more effectively, as the only way to surpass it. Enough people would have to move beyond thinking in terms of false fundamental dichotomies, and related impossible ideals, in order to think more by using unitary mechanisms: ALL HUMAN REALITIES ARE ORGANIZED LIES, OPERATING ROBBERIES.

The Crime Syndicate Models were the manifestion of those realities. The social paradox has been that the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories were able to dominate, so that the biggest forms of organized crime were governments, which were controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. The biggest criminals got to say that they were the government, or covertly control the government, while advancing the language of projecting onto anyone else that those others were the "criminals." The biggest "bad guys" got to assert that they were the "good guys," while blaming somebody else for being the "bad guys."

The Crime Syndicate Models are the result of how general energy systems manifest through groups of human beings. They worked best, because that IS what worked. The deeper dilemmas to be resolved are how to operate better murder systems, to back up better money systems. What we have now is the triumph of doing so through the maximum possible frauds and deceits, so that there is a globalized electronic fiat money fraud, backed up with the threat of atomic weapons. The history of successful warfare being based on backing up deceits with destruction is what drove the emerge of the Crime Syndicate Models, through the banksters covertly capturing control over the powers of sovereign state, which were originally made by the history of the War Kings. Thus, the banksters are now the Fraud Kings, who operate through their Crime Syndicate Models, because that is what works.

Their controlled opposition promotes the impossible ideals that there should be no death control systems, which always backfires and makes the opposite happen in the real world. The way that natural selection was internalized to become the human forms of artificial selection, within the human artificial environments, was through the Crime Syndicate Models, because successful deceits and frauds were the ways that society was actually controlled. Meanwhile, part of that process was to brainwash most people by various State Religions to believe that the "solutions" were to stop that from happening.

In other words, natural selection selected for the actual forms of artificial selection that human civilization actually has, which includes that mostly those who oppose those forms of artificial selection do so on the absurd basis of asserting that natural selection ought not exist, and therefore, human forms of artificial selection ought not exist. From a sublime point of view, it is delightly ironic how utterly absurd the success of the Crime Syndicate Model has become in controlling the opposition to itself to spout the same bullshit. The moralities that most of the Zombie Sheeple bleat are the ones that the Vicious Wolves taught them.

Put in another way, most people were taught to respect over-simplified ethics, while military ethics was what was actually more and more dominating the real world, through the application of the Crime Syndicate Models. The underlying problem that I perceive is that controlled opposition to the triumphant Crime Syndicate Models are reactionary revolutionaries, or Black Sheeple, whose "solutions" always depend upon the same sets of old-fashioned impossible ideals, that always backfired. The only possible genuine solutions would be to move through a greater use of information, enabling higher consciousness, in order to manifest better Crime Syndicate Models.

Human artificial seleciton can not stop natural selection. All attempts to promote that goal as an impossible ideal always actually cause the opposite to happen in the real world. On a deeper philosophical level, Crime Syndicate Models are an expression that all systems operate as entropic pumps, within the ways that general energy systems work. It was not a coincidence that the ways that we were taught about entropy reversed the meaning of those profoundly important equations in mathematical physics, that apply throughout thermodynamics and information theory, by inserting an arbitrary minus sign, so that the measurements of power and information would end up having positive values, rather than negative valuse.

The FACT that the Crime Syndicate Models have been the most successful was due to the ways that those are closest to the way that general energy systems really work. The FACT that most people were brainwashed to think about everything backwards to the way things really are was one of the corollaries of that process, whereby the biggest bullies got to promote their bullshit as the dominate social stories, throughout all social institutions and political processes. The Deep State is facturing into disunity due to the paradoxes of final failure from too much success. Even more paradoxically, the only way forward to reunify the Deep State would be through better Crime Syndicate Models being applied.

(Of course, since that is practically impossible to implement through the current political processes and established social institutions, we are headed towards the psychotic breakdowns of the current runaway Crime Syndicate Models, controlling civilization in ways which suffer more and more from terminal cognitivie dissonance, headed towards dissolution ... It is current impossible to predict what MIGHT survive through that ...)

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:45 | 4549907 Seer
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"The Deep State is facturing into disunity due to the paradoxes of final failure from too much success."

I'd state it as running out of others to eat and end up eating themselves.  The "success" was in scale of appetite: yeah, "growth" comes into this.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 19:36 | 4550087 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, I always agree with your perspective Seer, that the whole system was based on exponential growth, which was happening on a finite planet. The Neolithic style of civilization started with a fresh planet to begin strip-mining. It started with the technology of domesticating animals (including human slavery). That first technology drove excessive population of the grazing herds, to gradually start turning places where it began into deserts. The domestication of plants followed, and had similar longer-term consequences. All of the natural systems, including the human systems before Neolithic Civilization social pyramid systems, had developed for either millions of years, or at least thousands of years, and so had dynamic evolutionary ecologies which had balanced themselves out over the longer term. However, the Neolithic Civilization systems broke out of that pattern, and started their runaway psychotic tendencies, due to their triumphant systems of Huge Lies, backed by Lots of Violence, which started with Privatizing God, and then continued to Privatize the Planet. Neolithic kinds of civilization were able to spread out over the whole planet, and thereby keep growing. Human realities had always been organized lies, operating robberies. However, the paradox became that the increasing success of doing that, through better technologies, became its own worst enemy in the longer term.

Of course, that process of using claims, backed by coercion, to Privatize the Planet continued to accelerate at an exponential rate through the industrial revolution. The Europeans who developed their abilities to back up their lies with violence were able to invade and conquer the rest of the world, and thereby force all other places to assimilate and adopt the Neolithic Civilizations' ways of strip-mining the planet. That process of developing the potential of steam engines, financed by debt engines, was constantly maximizing the short-term benefits, as it privatized the profits, while in the longer term the greater losses were being socialized.

Theoretically, it should be possible to develop industrial ecologies, but not unless there were better human ecologies at the heart of that. BY DEFINITION, the limits to growth of the ability to turn more and more natural resources into garbage and pollution, faster and faster, on a one way express trip to hell, MUST BE DEATH CONTROLS. The problem is that our history selected for those death controls to be operated through the maximum possible deceits, including that the controlled opposition groups against those systems continued to operate within the same frame of reference as those they pretended to oppose, and therefore, continued to promote impossible ideals, which never worked, but only enabled the opposite to happen, i.e., more runaway social polarization of the social pyramid systems, along with even more destruction of the natural world.

What is happening now is that the established Crime Syndicate Models that dominate the currently globalized civilization are totally based upon being able to get away with lying about themselves, while they are mostly opposed by groups who basically promote the same sets of old-fashioned lies. CLEARLY IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR EXPONENTIAL GROWTH TO CONTINUE ENDLESSLY, DESPITE THAT ALMOST ALL OF PREVIOUS HUMAN HISTORY WAS BASED UPON THAT HAVING HAPPENED, SO FAR ...

As you probably already know, Seer, Dr. Albert Bartlett, who was at the University of Colorado, presented his lecture on the problems with exponential growth more than a thousand times, where he repeated that one of the worst problems was the human beings did not seem to be able to understand the mathematics of exponential growth. Of course, that makes perverse sense, because people lived inside of political economy systems set up by the Fraud Kings, the international banksters, which were based upon magical mathematics, or the magimathematics of making "money" out of nothing as debts. THAT MONEY IS MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER. However, the currently established systems are based upon being able to get away with denying and suppressing those FACTS.

Since we have a fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system, that debt engine drives all of the other engines to run full speed. Hence, the Neolithic Civilization social pyramid systems, based on runaway short-term successes of lies backed by violence, have driven our debt slavery systems to generate numbers which are now debt insanities. Since the debt controls always depended upon the death controls to back them up, we are on the verge of the collapse into chaos of those combined money/murder systems, so that the debt insanities could cause death insanities.

Indeed, it is practically impossible to see any other resolutions to the current extreme overshoot of the on-going exponential growth other that collapse into chaos. Without some series of political miracles, then the human systems are going run into the real limits of the real world at an exponentially accelerating rate. After all, almost everyone now operates inside systems based on financial frauds, which got away with ignoring the basic laws of nature, because the laws of men were actually based on backing up lies with violence, which were able to drive social insanities to become the most triumphant, in the short-term, and medium term, but NOT in the longer term, which longer-term consequences are getting closer to becoming impossible to continue to ignore every day, at an exponentially accelerating rate.

The current, globalized, ruling classes are experiencing more and more severe disunity, and so, the Deep State is fragmenting, because they are trapped in their own cul-de-sac. Their practical success is based on being able to keep taking for granted that the vast majority of people act like political idiots, that not only do not understand, but also do not want to understand, the degree to which their lives are controlled by the dominate Crime Syndicate Models. The ruling classes can not admit more truth about themselves, while the people they rule over do not want to know more truth. Mostly, the ruling classes are opposed by reactionary revolutionaries, who refuse to address the limits to growth just as much as the ruling classes publicly refuse to admit those limits to growth.

Meanwhile, I continue to spin my own wheels in the mud by pointing those social facts out, despite that there appears to be no practical political point to bothering to do that, since the world is already wildly out of control. The systems that the banksters made and maintained are no longer comprehended nor controlled by them, nor by any other human beings. The runaway successes of dominating civilization through systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, have driven globalized Neolithic Civilization to collective criminal insanity. But nevertheless, it continues that everyone who was relatively successful within that system wants to try to goose a little more "success" out of those established systems!

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:08 | 4549125 kurt
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Finally I can relax. No more heightened sensitivity to injustice. No more horror at how cruel it is for wealth to be so intensly concentrated. Everything is going to crumble down into a big playpen of cinnamon buns. When that wave of wealth collapses a tsunami of caviar dreams, yachts, tv's, game consols, cars, will come flowing back into our cities, flow up main street and ring your doorbell. I'm here, wealth and plenty for all. Here comes the crew to spritz up the old house. Free painters. Look he built me a dog house! Yeah! The problems are all over, goodtimes have arrived.

Now get positive! It's the best thing to do. Baluga anyone?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:24 | 4549813 Seer
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I'd hope that rather than expect the impossible happen that people internalize the right things and bring them with them into the future when all this bad shit stinks off.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 15:14 | 4549156 kellycriterion
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In support of this article, I will say that the opportunity costs of the cartel banks to the global economy is as great or greater than the risk costs. Think TARP and the 20 some odd trillion in Fed loans.

This raises questions of sustainability especially when you consider the extent of political class operations.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:56 | 4549687 Radical Marijuana
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Golly Gee, who would have suspected that consolidating a global hegemony based on electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, would be difficult? The most criminally insane people should not have a hard time playing together! It is so surprising that they can not all get along ...

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:26 | 4549821 Seer
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The Frog and the Scorpion...  Horses just don't change their colors.

And, once again, thanks for being here.  We need more people understanding the evils of power.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:57 | 4549696 GoingLoonie
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This is bullshit.  Wall street has bought and paid for many times the loyalty of all the major operators of industy, politicos and law enforcement of all kinds.  They are entrenched until the guillotines appear and the swat teams at all levels will stop them from leaving the warehouses.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:28 | 4549832 Seer
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I think it's all like a deadly tango dance.  They've made promises and as those promises are starting to be called on it's becoming obvious that they cannot deliver.  The lived off the lie that they made us all swallow (the growth thing).  Their power is gone as soon as we stop believing in their lies.

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 20:31 | 4550446 W74
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Was Jeffery collateral?

Fri, 03/14/2014 - 18:35 | 4550070 Notarocketscientist
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It all started with the Industrial Revolution --- when we built an economic system that was 100% reliant on energy that was abundant but finate.


And now we are FUCKED

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 06:55 | 4551471 22winmag
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Brilliant! Like the Guiness commercial.

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