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Fourth Turning: The People Vs. Big Brother
Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,
“The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.”
– Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
“In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.
If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.” – Frank Church on Meet the Press regarding the NSA – 1975
Ever since Edward Snowden burst onto the worldwide stage in June 2013, I’ve been wondering how he fits into the fabric of this ongoing Fourth Turning. This period of Crisis that arrives like clockwork, 60 to 70 years after the end of the previous Fourth Turning (Civil War – 66 years after American Revolution, Great Depression/World War II – 64 years after Civil War, Global Financial Crisis – 62 years after World War II), arrived in September 2008 with the Federal Reserve created collapse of the global financial system. We are now five and a half years into this Fourth Turning, with its climax not likely until the late-2020’s. At this point in previous Fourth Turnings a regeneracy had unified sides in their cause and a grey champion or champions (Ben Franklin/Samuel Adams, Lincoln/Davis, FDR) had stepped forward to lead. Thus far, no one from the Prophet generation has been able to unify the nation and create a sense of common civic purpose. Societal trust continues to implode, as faith in political, financial, corporate, and religious institutions spirals downward. There is no sign of a unifying regeneracy on the horizon.
The core elements of this Fourth Turning continue to propel this Crisis: debt, civic decay, global disorder. Central bankers, politicians, and government bureaucrats have been able to fashion the illusion of recovery and return to normalcy, but their “solutions” are nothing more than smoke and mirrors exacerbating the next bloodier violent stage of this Fourth Turning. The emergencies will become increasingly dire, triggering unforeseen reactions and unintended consequences. The civic fabric of our society will be torn asunder.
In retrospect, the spark might seem as ominous as a financial crash, as ordinary as a national election, or as trivial as a Tea Party. The catalyst will unfold according to a basic Crisis dynamic that underlies all of these scenarios: An initial spark will trigger a chain reaction of unyielding responses and further emergencies. The core elements of these scenarios (debt, civic decay, global disorder) will matter more than the details, which the catalyst will juxtapose and connect in some unknowable way. If foreign societies are also entering a Fourth Turning, this could accelerate the chain reaction. At home and abroad, these events will reflect the tearing of the civic fabric at points of extreme vulnerability – problem areas where America will have neglected, denied, or delayed needed action.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe
Debt
The core crisis element of debt is far worse than it was at the outset of this Crisis in September 2008. The National Debt has risen from $9.7 trillion to $17.5 trillion, an 80% increase in five and half years. It took 215 years for the country to accumulate as much debt as it has accumulated since the start of this Crisis. We continue to add $2.8 billion a day to the National debt, and the president declares it is time for this austerity to end. The total unfunded liabilities of the Federal government for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government pensions and now Obamacare exceeds $200 trillion and is mathematically impossible to honor. Corporate debt stands at an all-time high. Margin debt is at record levels, as faith in the Federal Reserve’s ability to levitate the stock market borders on delusional. Consumer debt has reached new heights, as the government doles out subprime auto loans to deadbeats and subprime student loans to future University of Phoenix Einsteins. Global debt has surged by 40% since 2008 to over $100 trillion, as central bankers have attempted to cure a disease caused by debt with more debt.
All of this debt accumulation is compliments of Bernanke/Yellen and the Federal Reserve, who have produced this new debt bubble with their zero interest rate policy and quantitative easing that has driven their balance sheet from $935 billion of mostly Treasury bonds in September 2008 to $4.2 trillion of toxic mortgage garbage acquired from their owners – the insolvent Too Big To Trust Wall Street banks. This entire house of cards is reliant upon permanently low interest rates, the faith of foreigners in our lies, and trust in Ivy League educated economists captured by Wall Street. This debt laden house of cards sits atop hundreds of trillions of derivatives of mass destruction used by the Wall Street casinos to generate “riskless” profits. When, not if, a trigger ignites this explosive concoction of debt, the collapse will be epic and the violent phase of this Fourth Turning will commence.
Civic Decay
The core crisis element of civic decay is evident everywhere you turn. Our failed public educational system is responsible for much of the civic decay, as a highly educated critical thinking populace is our only defense against a small cabal of bankers and billionaires acquiring unwarranted influence and control over our country. Our children have been taught how to feel and to believe government propaganda. The atrocious educational system is not a mistake. It has been designed and manipulated by your owners to produce the results they desire, as explained bluntly by George Carlin.
“There’s a reason that education sucks, and it’s the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it. Be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the big, wealthy, business interests that control all things and make the big decisions. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want—they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest.”
The urban ghettos become more dangerous and uninhabitable by the day. The inner cities are crumbling under the weight of welfare spending and declining tax revenues. The very welfare policies begun fifty years ago to alleviate poverty have hopelessly enslaved the poor and ignorant in permanent squalor and destitution. The four decade old drug war has done nothing to reduce the use of drugs. It has benefited the corporate prison industry, as millions have been thrown into prison for minor drug offenses. Meanwhile, millions more have been legally addicted to drugs peddled by the corporate healthcare complex. The culture warriors and advocates of new rights for every special interest group continue their never ending battles which receive an inordinate amount of publicity from the corporate media. Class warfare is simmering and being inflamed by politicians pushing their particular agendas. Violence provoked by race and religion is growing by the day. The fault lines are visible and the imminent financial earthquake will push distress levels beyond the breaking point. Once the EBT cards stop working, all hell will break loose. Three days of panic will empty grocery store shelves and the National Guard will be called out to try and restore control.
Global Disorder
The core crisis element of global disorder is evident everywhere you turn. The false flag revolution in the Ukraine, initiated by the U.S. and EU in order to blunt Russia’s control of natural gas to Europe, has the potential to erupt into a full blown shooting war at any moment. The attempt by Saudi Arabia, Israel and the U.S. to overthrow the Syrian dictator in order to run a natural gas pipeline across their land into Europe was blunted by Russia. Iraq is roiled in a civil war, after the U.S. invaded, occupied and destabilized the country. After 12 years of occupation, Afghanistan is more dysfunctional and dangerous than it was before the U.S. saved them from the evil Taliban. Unrest, violent protests, and brutal measures by rulers continue in Egypt, Turkey, Thailand, Venezuela, Bahrain, Brazil, and throughout Africa. American predator drones roam the skies of the world murdering suspected terrorists. The European Union is insolvent, with Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal propped up with newly created debt. Austerity for the people and prosperity for the bankers is creating tremendous distress and tension across the continent. A global volcanic eruption is in the offing.
It is clear to me the American Empire is in terminal decline. Hubris, delusion, corruption, foolish disregard for future generations and endless foreign follies have set in motion a chain of events that will lead to a cascading sequence of debt defaults, mass poverty, collapsing financial markets, and hyperinflation or deflation, depending on the actions of feckless bankers and politicians. There is no avoiding the tragic outcome brought on by decades of bad choices and a century of allowing private banking interests to control our currency. The “emergency” QE and ZIRP responses by the Federal Reserve to the Federal Reserve created 2008 financial collapse continue, even though the propaganda peddled by the Deep State tries to convince the public we have fully recovered. This grand fraud cannot go on forever. Ponzi schemes no longer work once you run out of dupes. With societal trust levels approaching all-time lows and foreign countries beginning to understand they are the dupes, another global financial crisis is a lock.
The Snowden Factor
With ten to fifteen years likely remaining in this Fourth Turning Crisis, people familiar with generational turnings can’t help but ponder what will happen next. Linear thinkers, who constitute the majority, mistakenly believe things will magically return to normal and we’ll continue our never ending forward human progress. Their ignorance of history and generational turnings that recur like the four seasons will bite them in the ass. We are being flung forward across the vast chaos of time and our existing social order will be transformed beyond recognition into something far better or far worse. The actual events over the coming decade are unknowable in advance, but the mood and reactions of the generational archetypes to these events are predictable. The actions of individuals will matter during this Fourth Turning. The majority are trapped in their propaganda induced, techno distracted stupor of willful ignorance. It will take a minority of liberty minded individuals, who honor the principles of the U.S. Constitution and are willing to sacrifice their lives, to prevail in the coming struggle.
Despite fog engulfing the path of future events, we know they will be propelled by debt, civic decay, and global disorder. Finding a unifying grey champion figure seems unlikely at this point. I believe the revelations by Edward Snowden have set the course for future events during this Fourth Turning. The choices of private citizens, like Snowden, Assange, and Manning, have made a difference. The choices we all make over the next ten years will make a difference. A battle for the soul of this country is underway. The Deep State is firmly ingrained, controlling the financial, political and educational systems, while using their vast wealth to perpetuate endless war, and domination of the media to manipulate the masses with propaganda and triviality. They are powerful and malevolent. They will not relinquish their supremacy and wealth willingly.
Snowden has revealed the evil intent of the ruling class and their willingness to trash the Constitution in their psychopathic pursuit of mammon. The mass surveillance of the entire population, locking down of an entire city in pursuit of two teenagers, military training exercises in major metropolitan areas, militarization of local police forces by DHS, crushing peaceful demonstrations with brute force, attempting to restrict and confiscate guns, molesting innocent airline passengers, executive orders utilized on a regular basis by the president, and treating all citizens like suspects has set the stage for the coming conflict. Strauss & Howe warned that history has shown armed conflict is always a major ingredient during a Fourth Turning.
“History offers even more sobering warnings: Armed confrontation usually occurs around the climax of Crisis. If there is confrontation, it is likely to lead to war. This could be any kind of war – class war, sectional war, war against global anarchists or terrorists, or superpower war. If there is war, it is likely to culminate in total war, fought until the losing side has been rendered nil – its will broken, territory taken, and leaders captured.” - The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe -1997
It appears to me the Deep State is preparing for armed conflict with the people. Why else would they be utilizing Big Brother methods of surveillance, militarization of police forces and Gestapo like tactics of intimidation to control the masses? This doesn’t happen in a democratic republic where private individuals are supposed to know everything done by public government servants, not vice versa. They know the cheap, easy to access energy resources are essentially depleted. They know the system they have built upon a foundation of cheap energy and cheap debt is unsustainable and will crash in the near future. They know their fiat currency scheme is failing.They know it is going to come crashing down.
They know America and the world will plunge into an era of depression, violence, and war. They also know they want to retain their wealth, power and control. There is no possibility the existing establishment can be purged through the ballot box. It’s a one party Big Brother system that provides the illusion of choice to the Proles. Like it or not, the only way this country can cast off the shackles of the banking, corporate, fascist elites, and the government surveillance state is through an armed revolution. The alternative is to allow an authoritarian regime, on par with Hitler, Stalin and Mao, to rise from the ashes of our financial collapse. This is a distinct possibility, given the ignorance and helplessness of most Americans after decades of government education and propaganda.
The average mentally asleep American cannot conceive of armed conflict within the borders of the U.S. War, violence and dead bodies are something they see on their 52 inch HDTVs while gobbling chicken wings and cheetos in their Barcalounger. We’ve allowed a banking cartel and their central bank puppets to warp and deform our financial system into a hideous façade, sold to the masses as free market capitalism. We’ve allowed corporate interests to capture our political system through bribery and corruption.
We’ve allowed the rise of a surveillance state that has stripped us of our privacy, freedom, liberty and individuality in a futile pursuit of safety and security. We’ve allowed a military industrial complex to exercise undue influence in Washington DC, leading to endless undeclared wars designed to enrich the arms makers. We’ve allowed the corporate media and the government education complex to use propaganda, misinformation and social engineering techniques to dumb down the masses and make them compliant consumers. These delusions will be shattered when our financial and economic system no longer functions. The end is approaching rapidly and very few see it coming.
Glory or Ruin?
The scenario I envision is a collapse of our debt saturated financial system, with a domino effect of corporate, personal, and governmental defaults, exacerbated by the trillions of currency, interest rate, and stock derivatives. Global stock markets will crash. Trillions in paper wealth will evaporate into thin air. The Greater Depression will gain a choke-hold around the world. Mass bankruptcies, unemployment and poverty will sweep across the land. The social safety net will tear under the weight of un-payable entitlements. Riots and unrest will breakout in urban areas. Armed citizens in rural areas will begin to assemble in small units. The police and National Guard will be unable to regain control. The military will be called on to suppress any and all resistance to the Federal government. This act of war will spur further resistance from liberty minded armed patriots. The new American Revolution will have begun. Leaders will arise in the name of freedom. Regional and local bands of fighters will use guerilla tactics to defeat a slow top heavy military dependent upon technology and vast quantities of oil. A dictatorial regime may assume power on a Federal level. A breakup of the nation into regional states is a distinct possibility.
With the American Empire crumbling from within, our international influence will wane. With China also in the midst of a Fourth Turning, their debt bubble will burst and social unrest will explode into civil war. Global disorder, wars, terrorism, and financial collapse will lead to a dramatic decrease in oil production, further sinking the world into depression. The tensions caused by worldwide recession will lead to the rise of authoritarian regimes and global warfare. With “advances” in technological warfare and the proliferation of nuclear warheads, this scenario has the potential to end life on earth as we know it. The modern world could be set back into the stone-age with the push of a button. There are no guarantees of a happy ending for humanity.
The outcome of this Fourth Turning is dependent upon the actions of a minority of critical thinking Americans who decide to act. No one can avoid the trials and tribulations that lie ahead. We will be faced with immense challenges. Courage and sacrifice will be required in large doses. Elders will need to lead and millennials will need to carry a heavy load, doing most of the dying. The very survival of our society hangs in the balance. Edward Snowden has provided an example of the sacrifice required during this Fourth Turning. How we respond and the choices we make over the next decade will determine whether this Fourth Turning will result in glory or ruin for our nation.

“Eventually, all of America’s lesser problems will combine into one giant problem. The very survival of the society will feel at stake, as leaders lead and people follow. The emergent society may be something better, a nation that sustains its Framers’ visions with a robust new pride. Or it may be something unspeakably worse. The Fourth Turning will be a time of glory or ruin.” – Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning
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Can we put the end of the world final collapse thingy off until 2120 instead of 2020? That should give me and my family plenty of time to prepare. If it just so happens that we are long gone before it happens I'll have a trust set up and Zero Hedgers can have all my stuff.
Thanks Doc, but all we will need is your ammo, it will be in short supply in some areas ....
I had a nasty shock two weekends ago. Working on the house, I turned on NPR to pass the time while working. Now before you take the piss, listen a little! They ran a 1 hour program of personal stories of honest American citizens being harassed by US Border Guards and Customs and Immigration. These were stories of people coming back into the USA from Canada. Some were held for 7-8 hours in freezing cold rooms, questioned harshly, not told why they were being held, threatened and all sorts of third world shit. One poor middle age woman who went to a wedding of a Muslim friend in Canada got the worst of it. Accused of drug running she was stripped violated in every cavity, then sent to a hospital and forces to piss, shit, and cat scanned. When no drugs were found she was told to sign a waver saying she agreed to all the searches, OR, she wooul be billed 8,000 dollars for the scans and medical exams looking for drugs. Many other horror stories were related. Really, I have been shaken down at US airport customs myself, but never held very long and not threatened too much. But the last time was 4 years ago, I learned that the USG is now on full retard. This is your government. You should have heard how these USG thugs treated Americans!!!! Evil fucking cunts. Overpaid, underworked and way too powerful. Stinking cunts!
Yeah, that BP cavity search cane out right after the stories about Deming PD doing something similar. In that case, they charged the guy for the colonoscopy that they forced him to undergo too. This was all on what appears to be a knowingly false statement in the affidavit to obtain the warrant. When this shit blows, wearing any sort of LEO uniform is going to be a very, very bad idea.
When I tell people that cops are thugs in a very broad brush sort of statement, I still get the "BUT BUT BUT! It's a thankless job! WAHHHHHHH! Don't insult them like that!" from some people. Well, I don't give a fuck. I don't want to get shot, beaten, proctoscoped or arrested because officer fuckface had a bad day. And any cop that watches this shit happen and does nothing isn't much better either.
I know a bunch of people who don't have a criminal record who hate cops too.
If your not cop, your little people.
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If you don't understand the above then go watch Blade-Runner 10k times until you get it.
COP's never have and never will respect NON-COP, ... anybody that tell's you COP is your friend, that person is either a moron or a cop.
Anybody that works COP, is a god damn fucking sociopath.
Bring on the ZH apologists for the COP-SHOP, but I speak the truth.
Von Mises said long ago
"All government is beating, killing and imprisoning, those that ask for government of any kind are sociopaths'.
mmmmm, Blade Runner ref.
Do you know the book? (Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep) It's ending is quite different from the movie. In the book, Deckard gives Rachael back to Tyrell and gets such a boat-load of money as reward that he can afford a real sheep (not an electric one). I think there is a message somewhere .....
PKD may have been off his rocker* (or at least he thought he was), but he was a visionary.
* long before Bobby Fischer said the Soviets planted electronics in his dental fillings PKD said the same thing about his self.
btw there is a regular ZH poster named Palmer Eldrich (PKD character) and there used to be one named Timothy Archer (another PKD character).
Its not an easy thing to meet your maker.
"I think there is a message somewhere ....."
That Sheep Runner wouldn't have made a good movie title?
After being forced to sign and pay for a USA waiver to all my legal rights to fly from Sth America to StKitts via P.Rico last year....I made sure my return trip was via any port than an American one, it was a long tiring return trip via Canada and Japan to get back to Aust. but much less intimidating - and I've done a lot of travel over the years to many regions with a few challenging experiences.
A conversation at home recently was that the plane that just vanished was going to result in TSA style security being introduced in the Asian region and force us to put up with such tactics mentioned in your post. Its what I think they call operant conditioning that affects the fringe (minority) so is accepted by the majority without a murmer because they believe there is no smoke without fire.... problem, reaction solution meme again.
the American people now have Senator Feinstein and Mark Zuckerburg on their side.
Go back to sleep.
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Oh, happenstance. That certainly is a unique and unexpected plot twist in this totally unscripted real-life melodramatic situation and doesn't in any way resemble any works of fiction in either analog or digital media because it is real and therefore must be believed as presented.
I'm super, super serial.
"That certainly is a unique and unexpected plot twist"
That is anything but unpredictable. It's a well-established attempt to buy a thin veneer of credibility and to turn one's self into a spokesperson for the opposition - while being firmly entrenched in the thing that is supposedly being opposed.
The half wits gobble it up because it fits so well into their dreamworld narrative: 1) it numbs the cognitive dissonace of believing/disbelieving the MSM, and 2) it presents them with their hero du jour* to plant the seeds of the trees that will grow and lift them from their suffering.
* Snowden anyone? "No, nevermind that I chose to reveal the info to ONLY ONE FUCKING 'journalist' as opposed to EVERY FUCKING journalist. And nevermind that I'm revealing it in drips and draps and have by my own admission shown you < 0.01% of the total info.
'Open source' is the chant of the oppressed? What's so open abt telling only ONE journalist? And one whom you've never met? One who just got a multimillion dollar payday from Omidyar? Nope, no conflict of interest there.
And "curiously" not a single fucking "leak" mentions ISR.
Now go out and buy your "Snowden's My Hero" t-shirts and coffee mugs, but first remember to log into your NSA Facebook to feed The Beast.
Spoiler Alert: there's also no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, or Great Pumpkin. Wake up and grow up.
In December 2013, gasoline retail sales were on third of what they were in 2003. Put another way, gasoline consumption has declined by 66% in the last decade. The life’s blood of the car culture is bleeding out of the system.
The hundred year old political parties have morphed into two sides of the same coin. They are all statist and clueless on how to keep the party going. The only industry exhibiting growth is government.
Barney Fife has been replaced by legions of storm troopers. No knock raids are killing people all over the country while police departments are loading up on military hardware. Even game wardens are tricked out in the latest tactical gear and look like they are going into Fallujah rather than chasing down some guy for poaching squirrels.
The elected officials have deferred the business of government to the reigning bureaucracies that now rule the country. The disenfranchised populace has bought enough guns and ammunition to arm an army every two days since Obama took office.
Now, these damn fools have set in motion a set of circumstances that just might put us in a war with one of the two or three countries that could light us up like a Christmas tree. In case you have forgotten, Putin is the guy that ran the Soviet KGB. You know the guys who ran the gulags and shot and starved millions of their countrymen to death.
Screw this up and in less than a week the country will look like a set for The Book of Eli.
I call dibs on Mila Kunis.
Sure ya don't want Gary Oldman? Last chance....
You should include Gary Coleman too. Free shovel included.
I'll take Jennifer Beals.
I'll have an extra helping of Creuzfeldt Jakob's olive loaf!
Translation: You'd not only nail Hillary once, but twice.
(Once a mad cow, always a mad cow.)
Is that on the Dollar menu?
can i get a sourse on that gasoline consumption figure?
oh, and post-apocalyptic feral cat is on the menu.
Gasoline retail sales. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=A103600001&f=M
tyvm good sir
Economies of scale in reverse coming to a town near you soon...
Imagine refineries operating at low capacities, with drillers drilling few wells. At some point prices have to be goosed to prop up falling margins. And, well, more upward goosing only further reduces sales...
That's retail sales by local refiners.
The total data set is http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=C100000001&f=M
It shows a much smaller decline. The difference between the two appears to be importation of refined gasoline, which must be up a bunch to account for the decline in locally refined product.
They know they need to start WWIII soon or they won't be able to blame the financial collapse on evil foreigners.
I haven't yet got a good sense of what ZHers think of Snowden, i.e. do you think he's what he is made out to be or something like what career nutjob Webster Tarpley describes - a limited hangout operation?
I don't claim to know, but he said little that was new and got saturation press coverage.
And as to the way he's releasing the info he's allegedly stolen... I think I feel the same way about that as I do the bin laden kill and burial...
I just have a couple questions...
My opinion Snowden is a patriot
I can only speak for myself, but I reckon he's a non-simian alien/robot hybrid from an alien, yet fully Zionist world.
Ben Franklin warned us about the 'greys' long ago,
Is SNOWJOB a Grey? Nope, its worse SnowJob is a Mormon. From the great state of JooTah, home of the NSA.
Most grey sightings have occured north of Nevada, and South of Jootah, exactly where the NSA (AREA-51) has been running their Gay Man's Choir's in the Desert for years Nude Sunbathing and all, all according modern PENALCODE of the US-MIL. Excessive exposure to SUN will make your skin 'gray', just like at Austrailian women over 25 and you can see it with your own eyes.
you know they're on to you, don't you?
Like Noriega, Like Saddam, OBL was on the CIA payroll 20+ years, and he had collected 1,000's of very interesting files on the CIA, shit that could have caused REAL problems for the USA.
Noriega (PANAMA) was our CIA man, but he knew too much, Saddam Hussien knew too much, our CIA setup the first NAZI ( National Socialist ) government using Hitler's "New World Order" template, and the CIA decided it was time to 'takeover'.
Usama Bin Laden (OBL) was a USA trained engineer, and he spent his life from 1970's to late 1990's collecting massive files on the USA, as 'life insurance', ... eventually the NSA/CIA did track him down and sent in the Navy Seal's who tortured his family to reclaim those files.
To date the CIA is still torturing Bin Laden's family to find the remaining missing files.
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Snowden is a programmed parrot, I have no respect for the guy, he's got no technology education whatsoever, he was a guard at a University when he worke "CIA", and he was a high-tech Janitor ( operator ) when he worked "NSA" at his Hawaii Deploy.
The fact that Snowden is being sold as a expert it telling, and tell's me that everybody in the MSM is reading from script. First time I saw Snowden I could tell this guy had been a trained actor for years, every word from his mouth was articulate, correct, and he never veers from the "Talking Points".
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Telling that first Snowden release was about PRISM a program that involved ISRAEL HW&SW, yet after that not ever was there another Israel tie to the NSA. To date its been mostly Europe, and tidbits about China or Russia.
Given that NSA/CIA is ran by MOSSAD for 50+ years, if I see somebody DUMPING ton's of shit ran out of Tel-Aviv I meet be impressed, but as we know the MSM wouldn't touch shit that pointed back to them. Or even the real history of AZC and how they killed JFK, ... all the files are out there,
Lastly, not a fucking thing that SNOWJOB has brought out is 'new' to anybody involved in this shit since the 1960's, ...all at best was MSM confirmation to what we always knew but mostly peole blew it off as 'conspiracy'.
....it's not "conspiracy" anymore thanks to Snowden. It's mainstream thanks to Snowden. But the sheeple still don't give a shit...that is the problem.
They care. They also don't know what to do about it.
I think it is a book called The Diamond Age that describes society after tech really takes hold. No more nations, as such - just groups of similar minded people banding together - tech fighting tech.
The Fourth Turning .... and .... The Fourth Awakening
The other side of this mess just might look like The Diamond Age after all.
What does AZC stand for???? TIA
It was the predecessor to AIPAC. If you google AZC and AIPAC you'll find what you're looking for. (This is a "third rail" topic here at ZH due to the law where the ZH servers are located and due to some sock puppet accounts.)
as for my opinion, see reply a few posts north of yours
Why does this matter? The pre/post war novelists have predicted the outcome of universal currency changeover. Time to knock on the doors of people who care less about your social security number and want you to produce more taco bell breakfast meals to hire 15K jobs.
Periphery States
Fuck you Obama! The establishment is collapsing before your eyes. You're no messiah, you’re the devil. Think D.U.M.P.S, think no protection. Confused, we caught a sand nigger in a spider hole. Check those European history books.
And when the Elites are crushed, and they will be, Millions, maybe Billions of people all over the world we perish with the scum. This world was built on easy oil, steel, food and water; it is highly likely that we will exist without any government for at least hundreds of years.
Any future society will begin like the past one, hunting if any other creatures survive-but certainly agriculture wii also be devasted by radiation. A population of under ten millionin North America might start with enough to make it thru the mess. And much of this will be attreibutale to 3 little words, "Gods chosen People--we are MEANT to rule all others.
Truely, the pen is mightier than the sword. What fuckin idiots we are. Milestones
For a while I was traveling a lot between the US and Canada, doing some large consulting projects. I had workers who lived in alternate areas of the US so at the airport they would stand back from me as I tried to board my plane.
They would laugh as I was always the one picked out of the line. They checked everything; turned my PDA, calculators on, even my friggin Casio watch, hitting all the buttons. They did it every week, whether I was in the front of the line, or middle or back, always me.
Always wanted to know what was in my file?
And it was before I found ZH, so it could not be that.
Maybe I should use the Freedom of information act to see if there is anything in there. The last one was redacted to smitherines.
That shit started with me shortly after I made a large donation to RP in 2008. It's the only thing I could come up with to explain it.
It is how you look. If you send money to RP, you probably look a little different as well.
Were you wearing a ZH t-shirt or a FUCK THE TSA t-shirt?
Casio watch says it all dude. Do you have unkempt hair and a bushy mustache?
Let's get this show on the road!
I think one would be better reading Gibbon's Decline and Fall than the book referenced to death in this product placement masquerading as an article.
In sum: The American Empire is certainly in decline but it is impossible to predict how, exactly, it will die or be reborn.
But we would do well to check if those tasked with the rebuilding are working for the People, or for the banks, the MIC, and/or Israel.
My guess is those who will break the US military to remake the middle east and destroy Russia will be at the head of the line to lead us to the Promised Land when the dust settles.
Lord Balfour gave the Zio's both palestine and the USA in 1910's.
To date Palestine has become the worlds most ugly open prison on earth. The USA is a mercenary army, and money-treet FIAT-to-Infinity for ZIO-
The ZIO-s now have about a dozen Trillionaires that nobody mentions, the USA has been ran to the ground and all that remains is 300 M souls and now a great CULLING is called for.
The USA will be the next promised land, then middle-east will be incinerated think sand-to-glass.
The USA can and will be bought in the coming years for nano-pence on the english pound.
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New history books will be written, most likely blaming 'terrorists' for the scorched-earth and USA genocide, ... but we will all never know becuase like the Tasmanians, every Black man in Africa, and eveyr Persia&Arab on earth will have been exterminated, but we will be told it was the black/brown of Africa/Middle-East that brought the New World Order.
Google 'Litton Bionetics Ft-Detrick', they developed Aides virus in the 1960's. To exterminate the black-man.
Google "Suterra", owned by Trillionaire Stewart Resnick, iso-cyanate drone deliverable bio-weapons anywhere on earth with 1-6 months slow release delivery, meaning you could be dead, and not even know it for 6 months, anywhere on earth, anytime.
You seem to sprinkle a little truth here and there - not sure how the rest fits, or your purpose
Interesting bio
The CIA is NOT christian
The MOSSAD is NOT Jewish
The AIPAC/ZIONIST's are NOT Jewish, they are FASCISTS
Read the damn book, you might learn something.
Why don't you name a couple things I would learn.
The Decline of the West, or The Downfall of the Occident, is a two-volume work by Oswald Spengler, the first volume of which was published in the summer of 1918
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Actually Johnny, I think Sprenglers 2-vol set is much better, I have read it all, but Sprengler nails it cuz he study's all country's in human history that used paper money and how they all collapsed.
Yes, you get specifics in "RISE&FALL", but Sprengler covers Rome too, ...
Just saying to anybody here, this shit is NOTHING new, that ZIO-NEO-CON's have been destroying human civilization for 4,000+ years. It's an old story told many times before.
Sprengler was a Mathematician, who got bored of math at an early age and decided to write about human history, ... no political agenda.
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Sprengler calls it "MERCANITILISM", but its essentially the same old BITCOIN debate, how assholes cover real-trade of real valuable stuff and substitute it with paper money or virtual wealth, and then dilute said wealth, and collapse a civilization, rinse and repeat been done 100's of time for 1,000's of years.
True, what you describe above, the last sentence, is nothing new.
What might be new is - what do we do about it?
3 things kill empires:
1. Corruption in the political class. (check)
2. Monetary debasement. (check)
3. A decisive military defeat. (wait till the end of next week)
#2 occurs because of insufficient access to resources. As such I'd place it as #1 (historically this has accounted for more crashes than anything else; and, the perils associated tend to really put deception in overdrive [read "responsible" for your #1])
Agree 100% Johnny.
One would also do well to read Tainter's Collapse of Complex Societies.
Collapse is baked in the cake. The question is what is going to happen when the dust settles.
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I was just going to recommend that one myself.
Here is a great forth turning thread on Tainter and more.
http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?88-The-Greatest-Cycle-...
thanks for sharing. interesting little blurb:
Networking Nation-States The Coming Info-National Order by James C. Bennett.
The first few pages comment that:
#1 Existing institutions tend to modified in response to change instead of being completely replaced.
#2 Strong civil societies result in democracy and free markets/entrepreneurship; those that don't have difficulty in promoting such.
#3 The Information Revolution will cut off revenue to sclerotic, highly bureaucratic states by hiding transactions with encryption. Forced compliance will be no substitute for voluntary compliance.
#4 States that survive will tend to have: a)small populations in a geographically confined area, or b) ethnic or religious homogeneity, or c) deliver prosperity & security, or d) feature market-ordered economies with scope for individual enterprise, or e) offer low transaction costs for leaving (for the disgruntled), or f) serve as a home base for a diaspora, or g) maintain enough international associations to enjoy the security, economic and cooperative ties formerly enjoyed only by large states (the example used was Iceland), or h)share a positive, self-affirming narrative (the American creed, for example...) if lacking ethnic or religious homogeneity.
#5 States with strong civil societies will thrive.
#6 Global government will either be a) the empire of a major power, or b) pander to the lowest common denominator-"hapless dictatorships, rotten oligarchies and shabby kleptocracies."
"States with strong civil societies will thrive."
Not in the absence of sufficient resources.
a police officer shot an old man on the side of the road for getting his walking cane out of the back of his pickup. and all the responding cops were there on tape going, good shoot, good shoot
rule #1. maintain your humanity, or for those so inclined, look after your spiritual condition
why? because it's the only thing we have that stays here once we're gone
rule #2. try not to die for a stupid reason, i.e. one that is one easily avoidable
why? because numbers 1 and 3 need more attention
rule #3. enjoy life as much as you can as often as you can
why? because that's what life is for
Know your neighbors help in all three.
Exactly. I think we are witnessing a spritual and humanist awakening like nothing ever before seen in history. Time will tell, but I'm optimistic.
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." - Bertrand Russell
I believe that every bridge jumper changes their mind on the way down.
Did you all see 60 Minutes on Sunday? Worth watching as we get the other side of this with banks and corporations selling data and the resultant flawed data. The head of the FTC comes right out and says "we've lost control"...great...makes one feel warm and fuzzy.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/03/60-minutes-blasts-data-sellers-ft...
Flawed data resulting from the data selling epidemic...state of Nevada has a bunch of folks listed as incarcerated who are not. One couple could not buy health insurance from the exchange as they said her husband was in jail..another mess to work with, flawed data.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/03/couple-applying-for-health-insura...
The government continues to let this happen over and over. I have my 2 year campaign to establish a law to where all data sellers need to buy a license so we know who in the hell they are. Right away, law enforcement could shut them down for selling data without a license and then further regulation laws could be pursued from there, but right now, all privacy fails as there's no index or "named group" to deal with. 60 Minutes did a good job explaining the "requery" action that takes place and any query monster like I used to be knows exactly how that works and it's been going on forever as well.
Sixty Minutes???.?.?.?.
Mouth breathing newz. I heard it on sixty minutes.
The government continues to let this happen....
Somebody call the police. I'm getting amber alerts on my phone.
The Vietnamese have taken over the communications system. I read about this in Reader's Digest when I was in sixth grade. The Vietnamese were forced to tell on each other and that is why United States was invading Vietnam.
You can store Gold & Silver
You can store BitCoin.
You can store Food.
All of the above have different weaknesses.
A store of skills and knowledge is probably the most valuable thing you can have. It only goes away when life does, and at that point, it hardly matters.
I play MAGIC: THE GATHERING
Is that a useable skill?
Magic: The Gathering......
WTF is that?
IR, did you get goxed?
DaddyO
NEVAH!
That's a card-game. Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_the_gathering
Not to be confused with "Tragic The Garnering" : http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tragic_the_Garnering
;-)
I cast Trample on my Force of Nature; you lose!
Trust in God buy Gold n Silver and laugh at the globalist eugenics control freak pedophiles. They r staring down the bullet of eternity! Cheers!
God Bless America... and the largest standing army on earth, millions of American Patriots, armed, backed, and insured by hundreds of millions of exotic firearms.
The American Spring will make these little fake springs looks like child's play.
I'm not skerd.
Up arrow...but...WHEN? It's already beyond time, no? Well, Survivor just started up again.
A couple things:
1) Crime in the United States has been falling drastically since the 1990s, so no, civic decay is not taking place in the form of general violence in numbers like the 1970s or 1980s.
2) Civic Decay is taking form of violence by the "leadership" corporations and other institutions. They are committing fraud on a scale not seen... well ever. They also appear to be committing blatant murder en masse on their own people.
Hopefully some sane people will prevail.
Well, yeah, that and the rise of the modern US police state.
Try taking a video of a police officer in a NY Subway. Oddly, seems scrubbed from you tube. Used to be on there.
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/02/17/nypd-cop-attacks-man-video-...
oh, and here's another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1Uo0IYSxw
Land of the free...
The Fascist Jack Booters and their criminal Fraternal Order of Police. The progressive police statists' dream team of law enforcement agents.
It's Idiocracy in the USA when they vote an enemy of the USA as president. At least Prez Kamacho wanted the crops to grow!
Dang! I should have known to top off my beverage before reading an article by Jim Quinn *_*
Seriously though, good article, as always.
It is fascinating how the 'court jester' of my era was so prescient in trying to convey through humor the true state of affairs. My only wish is that I had understood it was not humor, but in fact reality to come.
George Carlin ... RIEP
The Truth about America
A nation can survive its fools, villains and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason and corruption from the politician traitor within its gates.
For the politician traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men that government can fix all the ills of mankind.
The politician traitor rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars that holds government up right—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
The enemy at the gates is less formidable than politician traitor, for he is known to all and carries his banners openly. But the politician traitor moves freely among those within the gate and promises “…the coming changes will not affect you! They are meant for someone else…”
When dark clouds appear on the horizon the politician traitor becomes even more devious. The politician traitor slyly whispers lies to all who will hear while rustling through all the galleries of government and is frequently heard whispering “…bigger government will solve all of our problems. It only requires a few more taxes to make all our lives better. We will deal with health care once all the new taxes are in place. All of the government’s problems are the other politician’s fault …..”
Freedom dies from the politician traitors lies…
Cicero’s musings (slightly rewritten) as the Roman Empire collapsed…
+10 and kudos for thinking deep, but I gotta go... 'Undercover Boss' is on.
Seriously, though... these fuckers think the revolution is gonna be on fuckin Facebook. It's here, and it's now.
Keep yer powder and TP dry.
Cheers.
Well stated.
Yeah, RabbitOne, I read that passage by Cicero before. However the decline and fall of the globalized American Empire will be many orders of magnitude worse than the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
The magnitude of treason in the ways that the government of the USA operates its combined money/murder systems are now too many trillions of times too big to be able to be comprehended. We literally have the treasonous Federal Reserve Board creating trillions of dollars out of nothing, and there have been trillions of dollars disappearing into black budgets, which the treasonous events on 9/11/2001 allowed those who were doing that to get away with it.
Thus, the treasons within the gates of the American Empire are literally measured in trillions and trillions, which would be numbers whose order of magnitude would completely flabbergast guys like Cicero! As my comment below belabours several times, there was nothing like weapons of mass destruction around during the days of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, while the American Empire has an overwhelming abundance of weapons of mass destruction, for which there has never been anyone able to propose any sane theories or coherent strategies about how to have a "total war" or "armed revolution" with. Therefore, while what Cicero stated was correct, to put it into the current context literally requires attempting to multiply the treasons by trillions of times!
Ceterum censeo Wall Street esse delendam! ;-)
Well, Bearwagon, the problem with the notion that Wall Street must be destroyed is that financialization (triumphant fraud) has spread throughout the system, analogous to a situation like a cancer that has spread throughout the body, so that there are no treatments left to kill the cancer without killing the whole body.
As above, so below, as within, so without: both the money system, and the murder system that backs that up, have spread throughout the entire globalized system of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. Theoretically, only radically different ideas might provide any genuinely better methods to cope with those problems, none of which involve believing that anything like Wall Street should be or must be utterly destroyed. Of course, from a practical point of view, what is almost guaranteed to actually happen is that the real world events will be dominated by the most criminally insane people, while no better ideas will be possible to be implemented, except if those might be able to survive through the psychotic breakdowns of the established systems, which inherently are designed with structures that drives themselves onwards through their madness, into eventual self-destruction.
But nevertheless, the theories ought to be that the fascist plutocracy should be retooled, after perceiving what it is doing differently. The current social pyramid system ought to be stabilized, to become a centering scaffolding to build an arch on top of. The social pyramids ought to be perceived as toroidal vortices, and made to work better after that perception. Theoretically, there should be revolutions in the philosophy of science, which could be applied to politics, so that the ideas that made technologies become trillions of times more powerful and capable could be sanely transformed to achieve necessary purposes in radically different ways, due to perceiving the problems in radically different ways.
Of course, I do not expect that kind of pleasanter political science fiction to be made real. Rather, I expect the nightmare science fiction scenarios to become the future social facts, since I do not believe that human beings will collectively rise to their challenges creatively. Rather, I believe that the most criminally insane people will set the real agenda for what actually happens in the future.
Bah, you again with that sobering rationality. As you should know, I do not advocate the use of force, and I agree that "only radically different ideas might provide any genuinely better methods to cope with those problems, none of which involve believing that anything like Wall Street should be or must be utterly destroyed." I wanted to make an allusion to Cato the Elder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder) and the third Punic War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War). Could have mentioned Huxley as well: "Four hundred thousand repetitions will make it a truth." The point is that Cato never did anything else than uttering: "Ceterum censeo Carthago esse delendam", and eventually he got that. Just by persistent lamentation.
And if you really believe that "the most criminally insane people will set the real agenda for what actually happens in the future", well, I don't want to indoctrinate you, but I think they are already done with that. So, I hope you get my different drift if I repeat: "Ceterum censeo Wall Street esse delendam". ;-)
"Cicero’s musings (slightly rewritten) as the Roman Empire collapsed…"
=> Rather: "Marcus Tullius Cicero was born on January 3, 106 BC and was murdered on December 7, 43 BC. His life coincided with the decline and fall of the Roman Republic"
http://www.iep.utm.edu/cicero/#SH7c
Cicero was criticizing the decline of the Roman Republic, ultimately succeeded in 27BC by the first Emperor, Augustus, and by Empire, which later "declined" over several centuries, thru the 5th or 6th century, depending on how you mark it.
If the US ever had a Cicero, perhaps it would have been someone who opposed the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 -- I don't know enough about the period to say if there was an American Cicero.
The underappreciated aspect of Roman decline is how long it took for the Empire to fully collapse, and that most of those on the frontiers preferred to remain in it, rather than outside it.
"I don't know enough about the period to say if there was an American Cicero"
Twain? At any rate, he's someone that I'd have loved to sit down and have a good talk with...
Great article!
This conflict is as old as babylon. The elites have been preying upon common men for thousands of years.
At the risk of sounding simplistic it really comes down to good vs. evil. I truly feel as though the ones who have awoken need to be shepards to our fellow brethren. The righteous will overcome the evil!!
To follow Jim Quinn over these past many months is to follow a man driving closer to desperation and a forecast finally for America’s bottom line:
In a whirlwind of pessimism about America’s great danger, from massive surveillance of its citizens to the daily loss of freedoms, Quinn does not make his predictions lightly. And isn’t it time we all look in that window of the future and direct our lives to measuring our role in fighting for this cherished Republic?
Only one point needs to be added to Jim Quinn’s narrative and that is to identify this force we struggle against as our sworn enemy—an enemy not unlike the total-war armies we faced in the last century and every bit as dangerous to our lives and property.
Make no mistake. Their attack on those of us who oppose them or stand in their way is not to enrich their bank accounts nor merely to give them power, but it is to destroy us.
And with "them" gone the resources necessary to push growth (again) will come from where?
Yeah, what a load of horseshit.
The only way this country can cast off its chains is to simply let go of them:
Yes, it's hard. But it's harder to continue living like a slave and will only become harder. And it's a lot easier than having to kill a bunch of people, which won't solve anything anyway because the assholes responsible will just wait in a hole (and a well-apportioned one at that) until the shooting stops and the smoke clears. Then they'll simply re-establish the same systems and start the cycle over again.
No, the solution is the same as I began advocating when ZH was still a cute little baby: WITHDRAW YOUR CONSENT. If you're tired of being a slave, you can always leave the plantation. The only thing keeping you there is your fear of what lays beyond the gate.
I am Chumbawamba.
Well, Chumba, you definitely got a point. But there is a little more to the plantation thing, then you mention. The fear of what lays beyond keeps many people there, but a lot of them never roamed the plantation far enough to even realize that there is a gate at all, not to mention something beyond said gate. To them, the plantation is the only world in existence. And the more they forbode that there really is an outside world - the more they demand it be destructed!
Counter-point well taken, brother man. I'm of the last generation that could actually see the change taking place. A lot of people these days don't know a world without the Internet. Now, isn't that something to consider?
-Chumblez.
Yeah, I know ... back in the days, every phone had a cable, and if you left the house, you were simply gone and unreachable until you returned. Glory days. On the other hand, just a few days without electricity could show many people how vast a world there is outside that desert called the internet. Personally, I like to take younger people with me for boating and a little camping, and that shows immediate results everytime they lose their cell phones connection along the way. (Of course I make sure that there is no reception at our destination.) So, that is not only something to consider - one can even act accordingly. ;-)
LOL. Good one, author. /sarc
Am I to believe that after Summer and Fall comes a new Spring? I don't think so.
Typical American: To think there can be Spring, w/o first going through a complete Fall and Winter.
This is the Kondratiev Winter of our discontent...
This is the problem, right here. As long as followers exists, they will be slaughtered by leaders, because the purpose of followers is to be abused.
Any other conflict is a consequence of this one. Replacing leaders is as meaningful as changing radio stations in an attempt to stop a car with no brakes.
There is no need for leaders, because there is nowhere to lead.
Where is there to lead? To new TV with longer diagonal? New mortgage rates? New iPhones? Moar money? To all sorts of things that cannot be taken beyond the grave; toys leaders want to buy with the followers' money.
No leader can conquer a single law of nature.
No leader can save a single living creature from death.
No leader can make an unhappy person happy.
It's all about fear, but there is nothing to fear, as we will all die anyway.
When enough people realize they don't need a leader, the world will actually become quite a passable place.
Laws of nature are impossible to violate, everything else is transitory nonsense. The world will keep turning without a single leader - and a follower.
Totally with you on this! (glad to see others who can trace it to the real core)
The Great Culling of Wal-Mart shoppers will benefit mankind.
That article was way too optimistic an overview.
"If there is war, it is likely to culminate in total war, fought until the losing side has been rendered nil – its will broken, territory taken, and leaders captured." ... "Like it or not, the only way this country can cast off the shackles of the banking, corporate, fascist elites, and the government surveillance state is through an armed revolution."
Both of those statements tend to ignore the magnitude of weapons of mass destruction, which never existed before in any of the previous turning points in known human history. Neither war nor revolution make any rational sense after the development of an abundance of weapons of mass destruction. That is not to say that those things will not happen, only that they will be crazier than we can currently comprehend. Total war or armed revolution between or within countries with an abundance of weapons of mass destruction has nothing to compare it to in previous human history.
Most of this article strikes me as nostalgic nonsense. Conventional firepower is relatively nothing compared to weapons of mass destruction. Having an abundance of ammunition for conventional weapons is not remotely close to being in the real order of magnitude of weapons of mass destruction. The next "Fourth Turning" will be taking place on a spiral of exponential growth, where the transformations will be too many more magnitudes greater than we can currently comprehend.
I agree that there must be crazy collapses, because all the driving forces make it a question of "when" not "if." However, one of the main reasons why that has been postponed so long is that the existence of weapons of mass destruction have destroyed the ability of any rational person to start "total war" or "armed revolution." Although I still think that those things will indeed be driven to happen, once they get going they will go much more wildly out of control than anything previously known in human history.
There has never before been anything like globalized electronic fiat money frauds, backed up by weapons of mass destruction! Those are many orders of magnitude BIGGER than everything that nostalgic people daydream about when they speak about another "total war" or another "armed revolution." In my opinion, the main thing that has, so far, kept a lid on things was that no relatively sane groups of people can start a total war or armed revolution, after the development of weapons of mass destruction. There is no know strategy for either that makes any sense, since both lead to suicidal outcomes, if not almost omnicidal ones. Of course, at the same time, the pressure is constantly building, and therefore, one must still imagine that the lid will blow off eventually, despite that no sane person can come up with any coherent plans for how to wage total war, or stage armed revolution, after the development of weapons of mass destruction.
The future will be driven by people who are criminally insane, since they are the only people who will actually engage in total war and/or armed revolution. That is not to say that they will be successful, but only to suggest that they are crazy enough to do things that crazy. The paradox continues to be that the pressures are constantly building to get BIGGER, and there is nothing to show that that could possibly stop. Therefore, eventually things have to blow. However, I repeat my opinion that the main thing that has stopped things from blowing their lid off so far has been that weapons of mass destruction have made it utterly impossible to come up with any sane strategy about how to engage in either total war and/or armed revolution.
In my opinion this article, and most of the comments I skimmed through, were grossly optimistic, and wildly idealistic, about the world, because they are still too full of the kinds of nostalgic nonsense that people can indulge in when they tend to deliberately ignore the FACT THAT THERE EXIST AN ABUNDANCE OF WEAPONS THAT ARE TRILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN ANYTHING WHICH EVER EXISTED BEFORE IN KNOWN HUMAN HISTORY.
I'll really miss you when it all goes down.
TPTB will only need to stop the trucks. And, well, sure, some of us will still continue, but from such a small number there could never be any retaliation or offensive (and I've always cautioned against even trying- waste of energy in my opinion).
TPTB will only need to stop the trucks. Indeed, Seer, since most of us depend upon food that comes from far away, which require trucks, etc., to get it to us, usually just in time.
I repeat: weapons of mass destruction do not fit inside anything which previously existed, since they are pumped up to become trillions of times worse than anything else that ever existed in known human history. For instance, merely one weaponized biological agent, which had been made to be sufficiently virulent, which was sufficiently disbursed, all at once, would be enough to destroy civilization as we know it, since that would disrupt the ability of the transportation systems to continue to function, since every form of transportation would become another vector to spread that biological weapon. There is no doubt that such weapons exist. The only thing required are people who are criminally insane enough to actually use them!
If history is anything to go by, the replacement of our so-called democratic governments by fascist hard-liners - all carefully spun to be in our best interests - will happen and will drive us into a new Dark Age long before the population wakes up and sees what's happening.
By the time people realise that our freedoms have been wiped out, we are living in a police state, our savings stolen and our economies trashed it will be far too late to take pre-emptive action to stop it. When people eventually wake up the only recourse will be bloody revolution.
The Russian Bolsheviks, Mussolini's Italy, Nazi Germany, Mao's China and many others are all examples which promised a better way but in reality simply replaced one corrupt cabal with another, enslaving the people and destroying everything. During this evil process a massive polarisation of power and wealth takes place.
With the modern systems of surveillance and control now at the disposal of the criminal elite, overthrowing it will be far more difficult than 100 years ago.
Will?
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Edit: Ah 'therearetoomany'. I think you may have been saying in code that this has already happened, not that it will in the future.
If so, I agree that it has already started but I believe there's a lot worse to come as the world sinks into deeper depression, govts become ever more bankrupt (but still addicted to spending) and wars are started as distractions to the spiralling state of our economies and destruction of our societies.
Cheer up.
When the world wide pandemic hits and 50% of the population becomes fertilizer, there will be myriads of new opportunities availible.
Eventually.
Fertilizer = geen shoots = no problem.
50% is an optimistic prediction. I doubt it will make a dent.
Seems like the "Public" sector, is really more "private"
The crisis is being led by this liberty minded types and yes they'll be leading the entire world to war.
The liberty minded will have little to do with the Regeneracy other than the fact that they cleared the way for it by warring with the "obstacles," to it.
if they gave examples for words in the dictionary, I believe that your statement would fit perfectly for the word "inane".
At least I'd be in the dictionary.
You'd be left out of it as the dictionary doesn't have an entry for: Dick Turd
you get first prize in the "who flung dung" context.
Thats not INANE thats INNATE.
Well looks like I was wrong again...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dick-turd
USA USA USA!!!
NSA NSA NSA!!!
OK, I will admit that I have been asleep for a couple of decades being a corporate slave and raising a family. But... is it just me or does anyone else notice a virtual silence on topics of national interest in the MSM, especially those that might cast the Federal Government in a critical light? Have we arrived at our dystopian future where all criticism is silenced or at least mocked into irrelevance?
OK, let me know how naive I am on a scale of 1 to 10
An example: Judge Andrew Napalitano on Jon Stewart show. He told factual (look-upable-documented by esteemed universities-type facts) about Abe Lincoln, and was told he was wrong by some lying professors and got laughed at and basically dismissed. Napalitano told the truth but the MSM was easily able to make him look like a type of extreme oddball. The sheeple know no better and lap up whatever is funny and "cool."
Napalitano is wrong and an idiot about Lincoln. Stewart beat his idiotic mind to a pulp. Napalitano claimed the govt could have avoided war by just buying all the slaves--wrong! Napalitano claimed that South Carolina tricked Lincoln into the Civil War by firing the first shot--Really? Now that's a conspiracy theory worthy of a schizophrenic. Napalitano is another stupid neocon idiot who uses their beliefs to justify a ass-backwards view of history.
"the govt could have avoided war by just buying all the slaves"
the govt could have saved capitalism and avoided bailing out the bankers and indebting American taxpayers for trillions by just buying up all subprime underwater mortgages for less than 1 trillion total.
"...a virtual silence on topics of national interest in the MSM"
I think it's even worse than that. There is complicity by MSM in peddling bare faced lies spewed out by government and its countless agencies, which themselves are stuffed full of nameless, faceless, unelected parasites.
Years ago a political science instructor of mine had used his own phrase to describe what you're trying to identify: "Freedom of speech means the freedom to talk about what everyone else is talking about."
Im hoping that the day the shooting starts all the honest people pull the plug. All around the world. Shut it all down. Then walk over to the nearest governmet building and just walk in and talk to any tool in the place. Just keep every tool occupied all day long. For as long as it takes. When they get off work walk them to thier car and just keep them occupied. Government has only the power of force. That power is an illusion. We the honest folks have allways had that power we just have not used it yet. When swat shows up they have overwhelming power. Because the set the field to thier terms. Honest folks are to smart to mess with if they stand together. All those tools will do what they are told to do. The honest folks will need to be doin the telling. Surround them cut them off from the ability to bring force. The global stall. The honest people are the ones that can restart it. Keep the violence to the minimum nessasary.
Your choice the global stall or the meat grinder. Pick only one.
Be nice tell good jokes. Talk about you cats. Just stall every last tool. For as long as it takes. Just keep them from doing thier little stupid jobs. After one week of that most of them would up and quit.
Quinn, though a talented writer, is a hypocrite of the first order. Though he rails against the incursions against the Constitution, he turns a blind eye, and is in fact very hostile to the exposition of an illegal President (Obama is not an eligible natuural born Citizen, since he was born BRITISH of a British subject father), engaging in the worst kind of ad hominem, and finally banning me from commenting (probably because he is not an eligible natural born Citizen, having a non US Citizen parent). He also WORKS for one of the large Universities that are infected with educated left wing idiots, and gouge its students. He also sends his children to a pedophile protecting Penn State. SHAME on you Quinn.
We have bigger fish to fry.
There is no bigger "fish to fry". An ineligible Usurper was put in office SPECIFICALY to void the Constitution and laws of the United states, and also US Citizen sovereignty. Look around, do you see any "law"---- no budget, executive order creation of laws, banksters pillaging and running free.
It is the wet dream of the NWO, and the "final soution" to doing aay with the "United States," which now no longer exists. When the executor of the laws is an illegal entity, then there is no law, and he law is only what evil men say it is. The NWO sure thinks it is important, since they have lined up Cruz, Rubio, Jindal and Santorum on the R side, all born of foreign parentage, and not natural born Citizesns, eligible for POTUS and VP. There is a reason that NEITHER candidate in 2008, Obama nor McCain (born in the PCZ) was an eligible natural born Citizen. Get a Clue.
The ONLY way back is to yank the criminal Usurper from the people's house.
And put in who?
Straw man argument, of course. Obviously I don't give a shit about either "team". Both sides are participating in the Cloward Piven destruction of the US. The person in office right now is put there to VOID the US Constitution--- DUH. That's what matters to the NWO. Why doesn't it matter to you?
your focus is too narrow. the system is corrupt because the forces of money, power and greed embodied by sociopath bankers owning all industries and media, have bribed their way into control of US policy and gov. your NWO projection may be valid, but lots of on the ground targets to focus on first, starting w Wall Street banks.
So you ignore an illegal POTUS. Why do you think there is no law. Who do you think put him there--- DUH
Focus may be narrow - but it is a valid point, and part of the plan.
You're an effing moron. Get a life.
US Law in the form of SCOTUS PRECEDENT:
"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners". Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (1874)
natural born Citizens are born in the US of 2 US CITIZEN PARENTS. It is a security requirement, which the NWO Banks have infiltrated.
Yes I remember it being a topic of discussion that military children born outside of the US could not become president. And turning 18 outside of the US could present citizenship issues as well.
Military vases are not US territory---- SEE 7 FAM. In the first naturalization act (1790) the children of US military were made "statutory" natural born Citizens ("shall be CONSIDERED as natural born Citizens"). Bit in 1802 that designation ended. Naturalization Act 1790 was the one mis construed purposefully in Resolution 511, sponsored by the Usurper himself (and H. Clinton), which deslared that since McCain was born of US Citizen parents on a US Army base (with the false implication that it is US territory) that he was a natural born Citizen. (Senate Resolution have no force in law).
Uh Oh. Looks like the Red Downer has had another coin inserted in his slot.
"Red Downer"
Never did see that movie!
The only way this comes to an end is when a majority steps up and lets it be known they would rather have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING instead of all the charms, trinkets, handouts, and souvenirs the Stoopids of the world have been enslaved with. Submission of the ignorant is ALWAYS regarded as an open invitation to impose dominion on all.
Retired 20 years at 44 on "disability" for a big city, SSD. and 100% T & P VA. Screw everyone, free plates & registration for my cars pay $350 taxes with Veterans exemption for real estate and get a$2K push fron the Gov. Keep paying suckers for my ammo! Work you dogs, the welfare queens, studs, new transgender troops, ands illegals need more, at least I earned! Riding it till it ends or I cash out! FTW
Retired 20 years at 44 on "disability" for a big city, SSD. and 100% T & P VA. Screw everyone, free plates & registration for my cars pay $350 taxes with Veterans exemption for real estate and get a$2K push fron the Gov. Keep paying suckers for my ammo! Work you dogs, the welfare queens, studs, new transgender troops, ands illegals need more, at least I earned! Riding it till it ends or I cash out! FTW
Thus far, no one from the Prophet generation has been able to unify the nation and create a sense of common civic purpose.
A "common civic purpose" is precisely what tyranny is.
Liberty AKA not-tyranny is where individuals are engaged in NOT COMMON activities for each individual's NOT COMMON purposes.
NOT-tyrrany is sometimes called "live and let live", wherein people leave each other alone, and the ONLY thing people agree on is... to not give a rat's ass whether anyone agrees about anything.
Sigh. Hopeless.