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Here's What The Richest Man In The World Thinks About Snowden And NSA Surveillance

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

So Bill Gates recently gave an interview to Rolling Stone magazine. The vast majority of the interview focused on his philanthropic efforts, with a particular focus on poverty and climate change. However, several questions were brought up on illegal NSA surveillance in general, and Edward Snowden in particular.

His answers reveal one of the biggest problems facing America today, which is the fact that the billionaire class as a whole does not question or rock the boat whatsoever. They criticize only when it is convenient or easy to do so, never putting themselves at risk for the sake of civil liberties and the Constitution.

In mosts cases, this is due to the fact that they themselves are the characters pulling the strings of the political class in Washington D.C. So when it comes down to it, their policies ultimately become our policies.

It is also important to note that Microsoft was a particularly eager participant in NSA spying from the very beginning. For example, according to the following PRISM slide provided by Edward Snowden, we see that Gates’ company was the first to become involved. In fact, they were participating a full six months before Yahoo!, while Apple didn’t join until a year after Steve Jobs died.

 

What a tangled web we have weaved. Now from Rolling Stone:

Question: When people think about the cloud, it’s not only the accessibility of information and their documents that comes to mind, but also their privacy – or lack of it.

 

Gates: Should there be cameras everywhere in outdoor streets? My personal view is having cameras in inner cities is a very good thing. In the case of London, petty crime has gone down. They catch terrorists because of it. And if something really bad happens, most of the time you can figure out who did it. There’s a general view there that it’s not used to invade privacy in some way. Yet in an American city, in order to take advantage of that in the same way, you have to trust what this information is going to be used for.

Do they really catch terrorists because of it in London? Because in the U.S., the NSA chief already admitted that the entire spy program has stopped essentially zero terrorist attacks. It certainly didn’t stop the Boston bombings. So what are we giving up our privacy for exactly?

Question: Thanks to Edward Snowden, who has leaked tens of thousands of NSA documents, we are. Do you consider him a hero or a traitor?

 

Gates: I think he broke the law, so I certainly wouldn’t characterize him as a hero. If he wanted to raise the issues and stay in the country and engage in civil disobedience or something of that kind, or if he had been careful in terms of what he had released, then it would fit more of the model of “OK, I’m really trying to improve things.” You won’t find much admiration from me.

Sorry Billy boy, but we have had many whistleblowers in the past who went through the system and they ended up in jail or their lives were ruined. For example, the only person imprisoned for torture in the USA is the guy who exposed the torture program, John Kiriakou.

Question: Even so, do you think it’s better now that we know what we know about government surveillance?

 

Gates: The government has such ability to do these things. There has to be a debate. But the specific techniques they use become unavailable if they’re discussed in detail. So the debate needs to be about the general notion of under what circumstances should they be allowed to do things.

First of all, without the Snowden revelations, there would be no “debate.” As it stands, the intelligence complex and Obama don’t seem to have much interest in changing a single thing anyway.

Before Snowden proved us right, those who accurately claimed the NSA was doing all of these things were labeled paranoid conspiracy theorists. Moreover, how can anyone seriously defend these “techniques” in light of the recent revelations that show activities so egregious that security experts think they threaten the infrastructure of the entire internet?

Gates goes on to ponder…

Should surveillance be usable for petty crimes like jaywalking or minor drug possession? Or is there a higher threshold for certain information?Those aren’t easy questions.

How are those not easy questions? They are exceedingly easy questions for a civilized society. The answer is no. Unless you want to toss even more citizens in jail for non-violent offenses, because having 25% of the world’s prison population and only 5% of its population is not inhumane enough.

More from Gates…

The U.S. government in general is one of the better governments in the world. It’s the best in many, many respects. Lack of corruption, for instance, and a reasonable justice system.

Seriously, what country is Gates living in? I suppose when you are the richest man in the world it’s pretty easy to live in a bubble. He is so obsessed with the problems of the outside world and the fact that they are more corrupt than we are, that he is completely blind to the very dangerous trends happening in America.

What a joke.

The entire interview can be read here.

 

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Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:32 | 4551967 One And Only
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You know why the tech companies don't give two shits? They pay next to nothing in taxes and the government doesn't go after them. Why do you think the government doesn't go after them or raise their taxes?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:34 | 4551969 takeaction
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They ARE the Government....they allow the NSA inside...back door deals...etc.  

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:38 | 4551986 One And Only
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Why does Buffet support Obama publicly so much?

Buffet has a huge financial interest in rail freight - rail freight that in large part ships oil. What has Obama stonewalled time and time again? The Keystone Pipeline - a major competitor to Buffet's rail interest.

People start seeing how this works?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:42 | 4552009 DoChenRollingBearing
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It is very hard to get away from .gov corruption.  EVERY country that I have spent real time in (say six countries) has a roughly equal amount of total corruption.  So, yeah, Canada, Peru, Italy and the USA are all roughly similar in scale (though somewhat different in nature) IMO.

That is a subjective judgement based solely on my observations and conversations with informed (?) locals).

***

What to do (assuming you can do something, many of us can!)

- Having assets hidden away is one thing that will help.

- Another is getting physically, mentally and especially spiritually fit

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:48 | 4552023 One And Only
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You're right - corruption is nothing new nor exclusive to any country. However we had a constitution that did severely limit it, but unfortunately we don't operate under it's purview any longer.

And your solution is correct. Collect assets that are difficult to confiscate and prepare in the other ways you mentioned.

At this point there is literally nothing that can be done beside an armed take over of the government - which by the way wouldn't guarantee we end up with something better than before. The American Revolution was very unique in many regards and would be very difficult to replicate the outcome.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:48 | 4552027 CH1
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Fucking Statist coward.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:50 | 4552035 One And Only
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Haha.

I must have missed the coverage of you charging the White House.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:52 | 4552042 Indian_Goldsmith
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Why bill? Why?I didn't expect this from you. I always thought you were the good guy who helps poor African kids eat free medicines.... 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:53 | 4552046 jaap
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because they are part of the system, especially Bill (planned parenthood) Gates.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:02 | 4552082 The Alarmist
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You think Vlad is the only one who keeps his oligarchs in line? LOTF, RIP.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:33 | 4552161 jbvtme
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if i was the richest man on earth and i was surveying my domain from the highest mountain top i'd be pretty embarrassed by what i saw...the stupidity, poverty, polution, greed, evil. with all his money he has done zero to make it a better place.  fuck him

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:47 | 4552213 mvsjcl
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Richest man in the world? He's a pauper compared to the money masters.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:13 | 4552440 James_Cole
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Bill Gates seems sincere, he's just well propagandized. Most Americans (including the majority of zh'ers) still cling to many of the myths about America. 

Being on the outside it's easier to see the propaganda at work, he's simply reflecting the corporate / American view of the world. 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:32 | 4552489 Harbanger
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Bill like many rich fuckers won't fight the system for fear they may be targeted by the Statists.  You may still cling to the myth of a benevolent Gov. or the myth of inherent goodness in human nature.  I believe in the true nature of man and the need for order.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:48 | 4552697 James_Cole
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You may still cling to the myth of a benevolent Gov. or the myth of inherent goodness in human nature. 

I don't, Gates simply restated opinions I hear from lots of Americans.

Reminded me when during the lead up to the Iraq war American liberal friends would tell me how critical it was to immediately invade, whereas no one I knew elsewhere in the world supported the idea at all. One of the first instances I realized how effective/ ubiquitous American propaganda is within the US. 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:05 | 4552961 J S Bach
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Evelyn de Rothschild and his satanic clan are by far the richest bipeds in the world.  (I won't call them "men".)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:38 | 4553035 Harbanger
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Satanic my ass.  Send them all to hell where they belong.  You won't call them men, instead you'll call them Sir.  If you had any balls and organization you'd spit in their face before you.....

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:03 | 4552084 chumbawamba
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Bill Gates after his first bukkake scene:

Bill Gates Bukkaked

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:10 | 4552113 Ignatius
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Bukkake is not really my cup of tea, but I must admit this fantasy image makes me just a little excited.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:15 | 4552124 old naughty
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Com'on, leave him alone...He's just another teleprompter.  ;-p

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:13 | 4552261 Element
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This is precisely how far you can trust the "all-round-good-guy" US govt, with anything.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

 

USSA nAtIonaL aNtHem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7SqSNQeAFM

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:28 | 4552299 Lost Word
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Why is there no story at ZH about the hijacked Malaysian Boeing 777 being under surveillance?

There are elsewhere internet stories about hijacked passenger cell phones being called by relatives,

with phones ringing, and even some 19 phones picked up and answered and immediately hung up.

 

Which, if true, implies the 777 was still flying or safely landed somewhere,

and someone confiscated all the cell phones from the passengers.

Furthermore, the active cell phones should be broadcasting the location,

either the GPS location, or at least the nearest cell phone tower location,

and should be known to the telecom company and Government,

therefore the Government and the news media are lying when they say the location is unknown.

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:24 | 4552479 Lost Word
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Added a link about the hijacked cell phones.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/15/mh370/

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:18 | 4553713 MeelionDollerBogus
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Wasn't this over the ocean?

Cell phones don't normally work from planes because they can't connect to towers at the right speed, and if over an ocean, there are no towers. A plane aiming at a satellite would be massively near impossible given the small aiming differences that would completely misaim the signal.

Just like with the 9/11 cell phone stories over Pennsylvania I know this nonsense doesn't work.

While working at T-Mobile I dared anyone to figure out how to get those phones to work from cell phones without the airfone antenna on a plane and cell towers on the ground aimed specifically up for airplanes. They are directional phased-array antennae now.

It didn't happen.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:59 | 4552496 RaceToTheBottom
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Name one Techie that has carried the flag of freedom after making it?

Gates?

Jobs?... at least he didn't sign up

Ellison? HA

Zuckerman? NO

Ebays founder is supporting US involvement in Ukraine!!!

The layers beneath those guys maybe but the top got there by playing ball.

The only real guys at the top are the ones who started the internet and have become involved with computer freedoms.

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:54 | 4552053 chumbawamba
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William H. Gates the Third is a Feckless Piece of Shit.  He has always been a shitty programmer and every work product of his shitty company's was only successful because he paid a bunch of assholes to go around telling everyone how awesome it is.  He's the greatest buillshit artist in the world, convincing people to use substandard garbage and overpay for it.  He sold his soul to the Devil, who directed him to do the bidding of his other minions so that it would be more efficient to enslave the human race.

I will strangle you the next time I get within 10 feet of you, Bill.  I will do it.  You got lucky last time, you fucking piece of shit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:03 | 4552083 DoChenRollingBearing
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I would have used different wording, but I cannot argue your characterization of Gates.

Chumbawamba, you would make the world news should you actually jump the guy and strangle him with your bare hands.

Or you could just allow things to take their course via our Creator.  He will know what to do.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:05 | 4552094 chumbawamba
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Perhaps our Creator put me here to destroy one of his errant creations?

I am the Lord's smiting hand.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:15 | 4552449 CognacAndMencken
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Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark.  

No one within ten feet of Bill Gates has a 450 credit score.  Ever.  

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:15 | 4552987 chumbawamba
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What are you, his personal sycophant?  Go suck Melinda's cock you queer.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 19:12 | 4553094 CognacAndMencken
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Don't you have some bills to pay?  Last I heard from you, you were struggling to pay your debts and blaming the whole world for it.  Animosity toward the rich and successful is not uncommon for deadbeats who have fallen on their face.  You're just another armchair pseudo-revolutionary libertarian barking behind a mountain of late payments.    

Pay your debts, Chumbawamba.... you're part of the problem in this country.... no one wants to take personal responsibility for the decisions they make. The National Foundation for Credit Counseling is a good place to start: 800-388-2227

http://www.nfcc.org/

It won't help with your constant racism, bigotry and penchant for threatening others, but it might help get your debts under control.

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 06:26 | 4554308 chumbawamba
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Only fags care about their credit score.  I mean, what the fuck, how sad can you be?

Listen, dude, max out your credit cards and default on them.  Then enjoy the freedom from having to work as a government/bankster shill to pay them off.

Once you do you may start enjoying pussy again rather than the big dicks you've been sucking.

You're welcome.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:05 | 4553689 MeelionDollerBogus
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Bah.

I don't even know what a 450 credit score means.

I've never looked at one before and wouldn't care.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 00:30 | 4553983 Miffed Microbio...
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It just one of those stupid numbers that banks love to rank their victims. If you have a number over 800 you have the joy being hounded relentlessly to take out loans. Unfortunately,we had to use our HELOC recently for an unforeseen expense that will be paid off next month. This kind of action gets them quickly hot and wet. They are emailing and calling again. Those damn Succubi want to hook you in and spread their toxic STDs. They are so pathetically transparent.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 00:57 | 4554026 CognacAndMencken
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So let me get this straight... you recently needed the credit system to bail you out of a financial problem, so YOU went to the bank and asked for their services.  You accepted their services because otherwise this random financial "emergency" would have been a huge problem for you.  And now, because the bank provided you with this service, you don't have this financial problem anymore.  Your problem was solved in mere days.  

And you think they're demons?  I don't get it - they just helped you.  

This is the problem with most libertarians I meet: they hate everyone and everything, no matter what.    

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:45 | 4571355 MeelionDollerBogus
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Interesting.

I guess they've been watching my trading enough to figure out I have enough flow to make a good mark. Fine print in their mortgage offer is that they can rescind the good rate any time without warning.

What they don't get is that I'm 100% against renting to forever-rent and pretend it's ownership and I have turned down all debt period for a very long time. Cash, gold, silver, water, food, weapons, pills, skills & bug-out bags for me. Don't need a Visa card, mortgage or other bankster nonsense.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:21 | 4552468 Terminus C
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Perhaps our creator put Bill here to make us his slave...

Why do we presume they are not actually doing "God's" work?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:04 | 4552091 Indian_Goldsmith
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Lol

 

you jealous chumbawamba? 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:06 | 4552096 chumbawamba
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No, you gay?

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:31 | 4552355 pFXTim
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likely not jealousy...likely more what I'd say was anger...anger that gates was one of those who deemed it honorable to sell out his country -- a country from which he benefitted immensely, mind you, a country from which a great portion of the technology he built his empire on sprang -- handing over significant pieces of what was prior a great nation to a bunch of thirdworld shitehole dwellers who possess no real culture/advances of their own, and have next to nothing to offer back to the world (unless of course you consider dirt-cheap, largely uneducated labor and a bursting-at-the-seams population as beneficial), instead being only the proud possessors of a seemingly ridiculously ancient, superstition-laden "culture" (if you want to call it that) and set of beliefs...beliefs, mind you, which at no turn propelled said shite-hole dwellers into the modern world...no...it was likely not jealousy that prompted Chumbawamba's post...but then of course...I'm just guessing.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:32 | 4552494 silverserfer
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like a software nerd is going to stand up to murderous govt suits. They all go along with their "special business partner"

sell out sure, no other way. Install the backdoors or be taken out the back door. 

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:20 | 4552135 Irene
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Shitty products, yeah.  Anybody else remember how back in the day Bill Gates outright refused to give to charity? 

Something about he was way too busy making money....

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:37 | 4552191 chumbawamba
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Rumor has it he held up a line of people in a Seattle 7-Eleven back in the day as he dug through his wallet trying to find his Slurpee coupon.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:12 | 4552268 Ms No
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Lots of stories like that in Seattle, Paul Allen treats the city like he owns it... and he almost does. 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:15 | 4552270 chumbawamba
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Yeah.  Well, one bullet could own him.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:36 | 4552505 RaceToTheBottom
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He saved a lot of money by never washing his clothes.  Made being around him pretty bad but now he has people.....

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 20:17 | 4553352 DaveyJones
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in my old days at the prosecutors office in Seattle, Bill used to get quite a few speeding tickets in his jaguar. He would send in the most suits I ever saw ... for an infraction. One night, the entire prosecutor's file disappeared. We never did find it. A paralegal who worked for me had a roommate who dated him. Said he was a weird asshole.

Who siad a twenty three year old girl doesn't understand the world  

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:54 | 4552230 Froman
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Any person that has "Harvard" on their resume or "Cambrige, MA" is a complete fuktard...seriously, thing about all the people that have and are screwing this country up and they all have one thing in common; they spent time at Haarvard or an Ivy.  We need to burn the shit to the ground with the denizens in it!  After that is finished we move on to the rest of the Ivy League asshole incubators and burn those fuktards too.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:10 | 4552263 sangell
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Got to agree with you about the Ivy League being a worse problem in the US than Oxbridge in so called class ridden Britain. The US has been under the rule of Harvard or Yale since 1988. From 1944 until 1988 the only Kennedy was a Ivy Leaguer. Which era was better for the average American? That said, Gates and his ilk mewling about global warming and poverty disgust me. 19th century plutocrats did more to end poverty than the Gates foundation ever will precisely because the 19th and early 20th century robber barons believed in conspicous consumption and showing off. Building those Newport mansions created jobs and Stanford and Vanderbilt did more to raise American living standards by endowing the universities that bear their names than Gates pouring money into our failed public school system ever will.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:26 | 4553013 August
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Fuck Harvard!  Fuck Yale!

Get the Panthers out of jail!!

(sorry, just one of those brief 1970 flashbacks)

I agree that the net benefit of the Ivies to human life in North America is highly questionable, at best.

I say we nuke all the sites from orbit....

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 19:24 | 4553183 StychoKiller
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Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich – yes, richer than a king –
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.

-- Edwin A. Robinson

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 17:00 | 4552750 mc225
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one thing though... in the '90s, microsoft were 'less crappy' than the other guys. apple pretended to be for 'liberty' but in truth, microsoft had a much more open approach to hardware peripherals.

if you wanted a printer for your mac, choices were limited. if you wanted a printer for windows, there were a lot more choices. same for modems, video cards, etc.

so, microsoft's software has always kind of been 'wtf?' but no one else has made anything better.

linux? sure, if you're a total geek. it would be like if you had a car that all of the auto mechanics loved, but nobody else could drive.

anyway, they all 'suck' on some level. microsoft 'sucked less' overall.

but i would agree it seems they've been kind of 'rudderless' (except for eric rudder) the past 10-15 years. seems like x-box is the only thing they've really got going now.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:02 | 4553675 MeelionDollerBogus
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Now with Linux Mint, that's no longer the case. With Gentoo it was almost easy to use but I haven't in years since Mint is Ubuntu with some helper applications, scripts, packages, so I haven't had to look back.

With Slackware or Debian it requires great mental toil. Not sure it's worth it unless you can super-customize every script with great skill. Not sure about Puppy Linux, haven't tried it.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:55 | 4552056 CH1
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I must have missed the coverage of you charging the White House.

My comment was directed to Billy, not to you.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:58 | 4552069 One And Only
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Shit. Sorry. I'm the asshole.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:57 | 4552391 CH1
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Don't sweat it, amigo.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:56 | 4552058 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ CH1

 

What else are we supposed to do?  

I have been putting away various preps for years, inc. Bitcoin (months in that case).  Those preps include our business in Peru and I am armed to the teeth in the USA.  Bitcoin is my latest "prep".

I presume you are not advocating a violent revolution now, so what are you suggesting for us?

(BTW, I respect your opinions, but why tar the above poster?)

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:32 | 4552169 Spanky
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What else are we supposed to do? ... I presume you are not advocating a violent revolution now, so what are you suggesting for us? -- DoChenRollingBearing

Next election, simply write No Consent on your ballot and tender it.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:42 | 4552202 mandalou
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We have electronic voting machines. Not sure what to do besides breaking out the sharpie and writing it on the touchscreen. Of course I will need one of my fellow ZH'ers to bail me out of jail.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:01 | 4552244 Spanky
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Do those machines have a write in provision? Elections are administered locally. Check with your county Supervisor of Elections...

I'm OK with using the sharpie method too.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 23:10 | 4553835 BigJim
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Sharpie? Sharpie? Sounds like an edged weapon to me! Light him up, men!

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:22 | 4552474 g'kar
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Absentee ballot

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 20:19 | 4553362 DaveyJones
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absentee democracy

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:49 | 4555100 g'kar
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Absentee Republic

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:43 | 4552204 DoChenRollingBearing
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OK, that´s good.  I was just considering staying home in the next elections.  Besides the lines are long in my town.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:12 | 4552236 Spanky
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I was just considering staying home in the next elections.  Besides the lines are long in my town. -- DoChenRollingBearing

Then we need to swell those lines further. Maybe take the day off to do so. Convince some of those red team / blue team voters to think outside the box... Give them a way to vote against both the red team and blue team. Attack their legitimacy to govern...

Just ask one question: Do you consent to what the US government is doing?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:33 | 4552320 seek
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Just imagine you're successful, and suddenly the green team gets 40% of the vote, 10 points more than the 30/30 split red and blue get.

Do you honestly think the green team gets elected? Or do the red and blues counting the votes make a secret deal in the backroom?

How the Republicans handled RP will tell you everything you need to know about voting. He was winning the early primaries and they flat out lied about it to prevent any perceived momentum. He flat-out won Iowa and it took four fucking months for that to come out, months after Romney was declared the winner of that particular state.

A 90% non red/blue vote will get buried in noise and lies. The alternative vote is not voting. Just showing up is giving tacit consent.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:38 | 4553029 August
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>>>(Ron Paul) flat-out won Iowa and it took four fucking months for that to come out...

I recall looking at election night returns when at one point Mr. Paul, even by the offically tabulated figures, was running third:  The Big Electronic Up-to-the-Minute Election Pie Chart on TeeVee showed, not "Ron Paul", but a large gray slice of pie, with NO name displayed at all. Funny how that happened; I'm sure it was just a glitch.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 21:57 | 4553356 Spanky
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A 90% non red/blue vote will get buried in noise and lies. The alternative vote is not voting. Just showing up is giving tacit consent. -- seek

You are wrong. Dead wrong. Further, you advocate surrender to TPTB... do you not even care enough to mount a fight for your rights and liberty?

The electoral system is dominated by the twin party. The twin party, and their candidates, are bought and paid for by a (relatively) small group of wealthy people -- the wealth primary. They and their rich friends control the media (and profit handsomely from the arrangement). 

Thus, third party candidates cannot get equal media exposure, since they lost the wealth primary. Even when a third party candidate beats these long odds, they are politically isolated in the legislature unless they play ball with one, or the other, twin party.

There is nothing sacrosanct about the twin party "system". Moreover, it now makes mockery of our democratic process -- discovery of our political will by voting -- turning it into a tyrannical farce. But elections must be held to maintain the illusion of governance of, for and by the people -- to maintain the legitimacy of TPTB's ruling order.

What we need is a common point of political agreement, outside the twin party paradigm, that seeks to discover and quantify our political will. A point that clarifies the political voice of those of us whom think red team / blue team politics and politicians corrupt... and unfit for office.

Do you consent to what the US government is doing?

If not, in the next election mark No Consent on your ballot and tender it...

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 21:58 | 4553667 MeelionDollerBogus
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I followed the story. He is right, dead right. It's time to kill the beast, starve it, cut it off. No voting, no tax dollars, no legitimacy.

Only then will it realize it went too far, then we stab it in the neck.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:13 | 4553703 Spanky
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The only disagreement you and I have is no voting. Not voting gives up your political voice. How's that worked out over the last fifty or sixty years? We've got plenty of experience not voting: Where did it get us? Here?

I simply think voting, which is a formal process for discovering political will in a culture, includes the ability of the people to formally dissent, as provided in the Declaration of Independence, whenever government becomes destructive.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 00:04 | 4553936 MeelionDollerBogus
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Incorrect. Not starving the beast gives up your choices. You have no political choice. A vote is not a choice, it's a trick.

The outcome is pre-decided using fraud. No one who is worth voting for is allowed to be on the ballot. If needed the selection of ballots will be decided in advance and the actual results will be discarded.

This has happened many times and with Diebold machines it happens every time.

Guaranteed.

You call that "political choice" ? You're being tricked. How can you still be fooled?

If it's decided in advance that George W. Bush will be President, that's the outcome. Same with Obama. Your input is ignored. Deleted. Erased.

Do you deny this?

Really?

The more destructive a government the less important the vote: They are counting the votes and telling you who the winner is. That's like letting every bank robber produce the evidence that is required to put them in jail, they have every incentive to say "no evidence to present your honour, the case should be dismissed".

And it is.

And you lose.

How can you keep getting tricked by this?

The next US President you will have has already been pre-selected. The elections will be rigged start to finish and no matter who you vote for or don't vote the outcome is identical.

It's rigged. Fixed. Fraud. Not real. Truman Show.

Don't you get it? The more you think you have choices, when in reality they are not choices, the less you will do in mentality and physical action to create real choice.

To create real choice you must divert the resources (taxes, land, energy) of the beast (government).

All parties are identical. They are all minions of the same ONE controlling power. No matter the name, no matter the party, no matter what, you always vote for the same person whose name you are not even allowed to know.

Always.

Really, you have been fooled this badly for this long? Really?

Your real President is a conglomeration of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan and will be for the next 100 years as it has been the last 100 years. Are you really so naive you didn't know this?

All voting is consent: your mentality is that of a consenting adult permitting the action of government when the correct action is to reject consent and the only way to do that is to reject the vote and divert the physical resources the government-beast is taking from you. That's not a vote, that's an act of hiding materials and misreporting, non-reporting, information about those materials, your location, your associations with others, your work, everything.

That's how you "vote". That's how you win.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 02:52 | 4554114 Spanky
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MDB,

I understand we're being tricked by the twin party.

I understand we have no actual political choice when it comes to candidates.

I am not advocating candidates, nor voting for candidates.

I advocate stripping the elite's twin party political order of its legitimacy, by voting to remove our consent to be governed by them at the ballot box.

Voting is a local act. The vote is administered locally (by county). We know vote fraud exists, but not in every state or county. We can devise ways to verify our votes independently, by county and state, where fraud is a problem... 

Do you think confronting the elite's political domination is going to be easy?

Consent to be governed under our electoral system is implicit, whether you vote or not. Not voting proves no political intent, nor will, because it cannot be enumerated. Thus, the only way to register dissent with the prevailing political order is by explicitly doing so in the only formal means for discovering the people's political will... voting.

The only other means for discovering political will in the US are campaign contributions.

If TPTB want to engage in vote fraud, let them. It's an old trick, one we can anticipate. But can twin party candidates defend themselves against a principled, viral campaign which pits them against their oaths of office, voting records, and generous campaign financiers?

Our trick is to turn our myths and their propaganda against them.

The question you have to ask yourself is: What would people do if there was a real choice in the ballot box? Are they even interested? Unless we ask them, we'll never know.

Do you consent to what the US government is doing?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:47 | 4571360 MeelionDollerBogus
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I consent to opening fire on those who will do harm to me. They can count the bullet-holes as items for enumeration.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:39 | 4552664 dizzyfingers
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"Next election, simply write No Consent on your ballot and tender it."

Who gets a paper ballot anymore?! Today it's computer voting, which is THE problem, not just A problem.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 20:26 | 4553386 Spanky
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We still use paper ballots in my county. And voting computers are (part of) the problem. So, do we simply sit down and cry about it while getting screwed? Or do we organize, make common cause with the folks already focused on vote fraud, and find a way to verify the vote count through our own efforts?

Do you expect that fighting TPTB is going to be a walk in the park?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:59 | 4552401 CH1
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I respect your opinions, but why tar the above poster?

Not intentional, DoChen... I was addressing Billy. Guess I should be a bit more clear. :/

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:57 | 4552556 DoChenRollingBearing
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10-4, roger that.  You may be a combative chimp, but you are a decent sort!

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:58 | 4552067 thamnosma
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It was a far more intelligent comment than yours. 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:56 | 4552551 Nehweh Gahnin
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Replicating the American Revolution?  Or the resulting Constitutional republic?  If the latter, why would we even want that?  That is how we got here.  It didn't work.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:11 | 4552594 MrPalladium
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The U.S. is the most corrupt country on earth by far in absolute dollar terms and per capita. The only difference between the U.S. and the third world is that our legislatures are for sale, and thus the corruption is written right into our statute books and thus makes the corruption "legal"

We don't allow lowly policemen to take bribes, but we do allow lobbies for big business and billionaires to write bills that are 2000 pages long and that congress critters never read.

Thus, in the U.S. corruption is restricted to the mega corporations and the billionaire class. While you may be able to bribe police and low level officials in third world countries, huge U.S. companies and billionaires do not always get their way outside the U.S. hence the endless propaganda about third world corruption.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 23:16 | 4553844 BigJim
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Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:13 | 4552120 Joe Davola
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you have to trust what this information is going to be used for.

That's it right there - everyone,except the real power and their bootlickers, figures the PTB (past, present or future) will abuse the information for their own political and/or personal benefit.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:37 | 4552190 jimijon
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The answer is really quite simple. A new form of governance I call "socilocracy." In this cas open it up to all.

Let we the people have access to every camera and of course the NSA database too.

As it was said, " What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:59 | 4552404 DCFusor
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Yes, DCRB is correct.  And if you were in the biz at the time and knew how much MS was based on theft (hint, Gary Kildall was a friend (we talked while he worked at intel developing development systems for early intel 8080 class stuff), and DOS was identical to CPM - I had the source code of both.)  Bill and Paul then dumpster-dived Honywell, to get a template they could more-easily convert into MS-Basic - they didn't write it, they simply ported it.  An entire empire built on theft, which is why he says what he says now, and has this attiude about piracy - it's called projection, if you're into psychology.

He should be (and maybe is, privately) laughing up his sleeve, since when a whole nation, say China "pirates" windows (dumb, but...) then what do you have - a whole nation of customers who don't have to be retrained to use your stuff, and who will eventually buy it.  Doh!

We win.  They have to have Levis, Buicks, and Coke to "be hip".  Get it?  Disney does pretty well off their "theft" too...all the whining is utterly disingenuous.

The coverup about Gary's death here is just not what happened at the time - and it's not even the first set of lies told about it, many others have been used.  I lived through those times, in the business, myself. We all knew how it went down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 17:44 | 4552894 mc225
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FAT file system was superior to CPM file system. CPM was dead in the water because their file system was inferior to FAT. (i know, FAT wasn't very good, but it 'sucked less' than CPM file system)... gordin letwin for the win! r.i.p. gary

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:19 | 4553000 DCFusor
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CPM was what later became fat12 IIRC, but all dos/windows file systems suck compared to what the best out there are.  Can you tell I run linux exclusively on my whole network now?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:28 | 4552635 TheReplacement
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People (the 99.99%) don't read between the lines or sites like ZH.  The vast majority could not make it through the entire interview - too many words.  In this matrix, the people we are trying to save are the enemy once they know who we are and what we are trying to do for them.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 19:41 | 4553227 StychoKiller
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[quote]

The Matrix is a system, Neo.  That system is our enemy.  But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see?  Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save.   But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy.  You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.  And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

[/quote] -- Morpheus

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:40 | 4552003 Deathrips
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Bill Gates is a Zionist shill, theif and overall asshole.

 

Fuck Gate Keepers!!

RIPS

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:53 | 4552032 CH1
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And fuck your 'Zionist' shit too.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:01 | 4552062 chumbawamba
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Fuck you, zionist piece of shit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:01 | 4552246 frenzic
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His comment was directed to Billy, not to you.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:18 | 4552275 chumbawamba
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I know, the hand is pointing north from where I sit towards Seattle.

I am Chumabwamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:31 | 4552644 TheReplacement
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Is there anyone in your little world that you disagree with who is not a zionist?  It seems as though simple minded people need to have a boogeyman like that to blame everything on.  Cannot a person just be a thug, a liar, a thief, or a tyrant without being a zionist?

Just who are YOU shilling for there Adolf?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:11 | 4552980 chumbawamba
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Name one good thing that ever came as a result of zionism.

Thank you.  Now shut the fuck up.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:56 | 4552060 Miffed Microbio...
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My mother was very close to his aunt and what she told her of him as a young child chilled me to the bone. He lives for control and is a typical narcissistic, unempathetic psychopath. Given enough power he'd be a Hitler.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:59 | 4552071 DoChenRollingBearing
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Nice report, Miffed!  Makes sense too.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:55 | 4552233 Crash Overide
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Bill Gates is pure evil.

The article summed it up nice at the end... "What a joke."

That can be said for a lot of things these days.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:38 | 4552331 seek
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I worked with MS in the early 90s. Everything Gates does altruistically today is to provide cover for the absolutely illegal things he did then.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:48 | 4552362 adr
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I loved the fact that Bill gates was hated at CMU while I was there. He came to campus one time to give a speech and some CS guys rolled out a giant Linux banner on the front of the CS building.

Then Bill came about ten years ago and gave the university a large chunk of change to build the Bill and Melinda Gates Computer Science Center. Now he is loved by students becuase they don't know what the man was really like.

I will no longer give a dime to my University.

The hero worhsip of Bill is just like the hero worship of Jobs. Both men should be sucking feces out of Satan's ass.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:34 | 4552654 TheReplacement
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Oh but he's not Jewish so he can't be a bad guy.  Everyone on ZH knows you have to be Jewish to be evil.  Duh.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 06:46 | 4554320 smacker
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I can believe every word of that about Gates.

My own knowledge of his business tactics brought me to the same conclusions in the early/mid 80s.

Although I never sat in a meeting with him, I knew people who did. They were always angry and frustrated by him for slipping, sliding, wriggling and squirming. A regular comment from colleagues was "You can't trust a single word he says. You have to get everything down in writing else he will renege and deny it later."

And that was in the days of DOS.

When MS became the top-dog op/sys provider with Windows, his psychopathic, control-freak, megalomaniac character went out of control.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:37 | 4551995 Hayabusa
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In mosts cases, this is due to the fact that they themselves are the characters pulling the strings of the political class in Washington D.C. So when it comes down to it, their policies ultimately become our policies.

Gates is one of them... at least I know it now and will avoid purchasing anything microsoft profits from.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:41 | 4552005 One And Only
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Gates also invested in alternate forms of energy - so pushing the "climate change" meme.

Who else is pushing the "climate change" meme? The government.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:38 | 4552332 detached.amusement
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because there's lot of potential tax "revenue" out there, why leave that sitting on the table?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 21:47 | 4553636 MeelionDollerBogus
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It's not a meme, it's just science. The meme, which has no basis in science, is the "warming hoax" and "now they say climate change, not warming" memes.

Those are hoaxes as sure as carbon credits are theft.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:51 | 4552040 zyby
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Who cares about what Bill Gates thinks? He's only one person. He should only get one vote.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:23 | 4552143 MsCreant
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The richest man in the world gets to decide what it is you are voting on in the first place. Then you both get your vote.

I vote we shut down the NSA. He votes no. Who will get their vote heard? 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:29 | 4552157 PeakOil
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Gates: "The richest man in the world according to Forbes gets to decide..."

There. Fixed it for ya.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:39 | 4552194 Spanky
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The richest man in the world gets to decide what it is you are voting on in the first place. -- MsCreant

This is one of the reasons why I advocate writing No Consent on your ballot... it makes your political position crystal clear.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:33 | 4552495 g speed
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And of course the "no consent" ballots will not be counted nor repaorted-----that was a waste!!

My solution to the problem is to firewall --for example--Common Core is the states attempt to advance futher the State-- first by replacing the family with the satte and secondly to force children to submit to things they know are wrong so as to insure compliance with illegal laws in later life. You will never get rid of Common Core no matter how you try--it is an agenda item and not on the table--because the state is forcing this on the citizenry there is a huge out cry. So the state raises straw men to give the masses that resist some sense of power --In the case of Common Core it is the "data mining" boogy man-- we know the NSA already gets everything so the Common Core crowd will say "ok"  no data mining and of course the resistance will see this as a victiry and no  longer fight Common Core.  

Ok now the fire wall---educate your kids about what the state is doing-- teach your kids to love learning but to hate school.  Show them as phony the  "heros" paraded in front of them like the "policeman" and "fireman" the school brings to reinforce the "goodness" of the state. Explane to them the necessity of defining "fair, truth, real, evil, good, right, wrong, etc. Teach them to "fool the state" by seeming to agree on the surface but resisting in secret. Teach your kids to be a fifth column. 

My point is as with Common Core if the target can't be hit the size of the fire power is irrelevent. 

Do the same with politics--go to a receptive audience like a Tea Party meeting and talk about the samenes of the Repubs and Dems. Talk about the methods the state uses--and who its enforcers and benefactors are. educate and bbuild a fire wall---not much else to do but it will work in the end IMHO

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 22:01 | 4553413 Spanky
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Moar waiting for Godot.

The electoral system is dominated by the twin party. The twin party, and their candidates, are bought and paid for by a (relatively) small group of wealthy people -- the wealth primary. They and their rich friends control the media (and profit handsomely from the arrangement). 

Thus, third party candidates cannot get equal media exposure, since they lost the wealth primary. Even when a third party candidate beats these long odds, they are politically isolated in the legislature unless they play ball with one, or the other, twin party.

There is nothing sacrosanct about the twin party "system". Moreover, it now makes mockery of our democratic process -- discovery of our political will by voting -- turning it into a tyrannical farce. But elections must be held to maintain the illusion of governance of, for and by the people -- to maintain the legitimacy of TPTB's ruling order.

What we need is a common point of political agreement, outside the twin party paradigm, that seeks to discover and quantify our political will. A point that clarifies the political voice of those of us whom think red team / blue team politics and politicians corrupt... and unfit for office.

Do you consent to what the US government is doing?

If not, in the next election mark No Consent on your ballot and tender it...

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:05 | 4552253 Brindle702
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Regarding: The richest man in the world gets to decide what it is you are voting on in the first place. Then you both get your vote.

For those that don't know, this is called The Delphi Technique.  Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-zpA1althjo

We all need countermeasures to this.  Please share if you have them.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:37 | 4552189 williambanzai7
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Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:43 | 4552353 Lost Word
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Funny how the young  Bill Gates looks somewhat similar to Adam Lanza.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:50 | 4552221 emersonreturn
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i thought the rotchilds were the richest bodies on the planet?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 20:57 | 4553515 Buck Johnson
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Don't worry, what Gates havent figured out yet is quite simple.  In a police state, the ones that helped it to come into being are always always destroyed or imprisoned or killed.  Because they can be used by the opponents of the police state to get rid of it (remember the night of a thousand knifes in Germany).  Gates will be taken down and destroyed and he will be dissappeared.  He lives in his bubble but eventually someone that has better political connections that want what Bill has will use the system to destroy him and take him down.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:33 | 4551968 takeaction
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I have always asumed EVERYTHING is recorded or documented...it is a good way to think......Aware.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:59 | 4552072 Hayabusa
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So takeaction, does your participation here on zerohedge count?  Do you assume you're activities here are

being recorded or documented?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:34 | 4551976 Boondocker
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he may be rich but it won't save him in the end....

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:45 | 4552017 DoChenRollingBearing
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Right!  He will get real justice in the end.  Not his pal´s Just-us.

I would not presume how that would turn out, but I think I would rather take my chances as me rather than him.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:14 | 4552122 Indian_Goldsmith
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Lol. Such wishful losers you morons are! Pity. 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:28 | 4552156 MsCreant
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DoChen has never struck me as a loser or a moron. I pity you your poor judgement skills. If I had to reincarnate, I would rather come back as DoChen, than Gates. I would have to learn to like Absinthe, though. I understand you can trip and see green.

To say this another way-- FUCK OFF!

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:39 | 4552198 DoChenRollingBearing
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Very kind MsCreant, but I gave up the absinthe and all the rest, see below.

532 days "FOA" (and I ain´t talking "Friend Of Another" here,,, smile).

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:51 | 4552223 DaddyO
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Congrats DoChen!

I just rolled 11406 today, wow, blows me away just to type it...

Much Gratitude in my heart!

DaddyO

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:37 | 4552507 g speed
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twenty plus years for me--I don't even count any more--

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 04:19 | 4554217 Ralph Spoilsport
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Congratulations to all of you. (applause)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:36 | 4552181 DoChenRollingBearing
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This loser moron is getting happier by the day.  It´s called "spiritual progress".  Very slowly in my case, but that´s OK.

AA and Emmet Fox and various of my friends and even virtual friends, some from ZH, helped me immensely.  

I was finally ready to listen at 58 yrs old.  (Yeah, I already know I´m a slow student, always was)

***

Don´t waste any pity on me.  Think positively, especially for others and doing good, you will get results that are more powerful than you might think possible...

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:40 | 4552341 detached.amusement
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/\

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 17:53 | 4552925 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It seems this place is like a magnet for people who are in recovery. It is like AA for all sorts of self denial recovery especially matrixholics.

With that said good luck and keep on the path. I'll have a drink to celebrate your sobriety.

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 21:01 | 4553524 bunnyswanson
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Anyone who is doing well today is a crook.  The insider trading, cronyism, rigging, blatant fraud has been verified and is as deep as it goes.  The people who are at the top are swimming in scum.  They will carry with them to the grave the miserable deaths of very good people because they really believed that living well meant making as much money as you possibly can, no holds barred.

 

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:35 | 4551981 CCanuck
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Fuck Bill Gates

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:36 | 4551985 Motorhead
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I agree.  Fuck that mother fucker.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:31 | 4552160 A Lunatic
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At the very least someone should tongue punch his fart box......

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:30 | 4552308 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

At the very least someone should tongue punch his fart box......

If by tongue you mean the harnessing pole of a horse-drawn vehicle, then I am in agreement.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:06 | 4552100 Indian_Goldsmith
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The world's most gorgeous women already do! How's your sex life ccanuck?

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:10 | 4552114 chumbawamba
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Cut the crap, Bill.  Your wife is average at best, and before her I doubt you ever got laid.  Zuckerturd is way uglier than you and even he gets a little pussy.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:16 | 4552128 DoChenRollingBearing
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Zuckerman is another one who has a future (in the afterlife) that does not look very happy...

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:42 | 4552172 DaddyO
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I think they may have a bit of a row to hoe in the nasty now and now!

Everyone will have their fate sealed the moment they draw their last breath, this we know.

I am more interested in making sure justice is served in this life as well.

DaddyO

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:42 | 4552347 seek
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He definitely got laid. I saw the pickups go down a few times at COMDEX in the early 90s. Some very hot gold diggers would throw themselves at him during the after-show parties.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 14:57 | 4552395 Miffed Microbio...
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This may be true but what I know of him sex is not something he is very preoccupied. I would be surprised if he remembers or cares about any of these encounters. He is completely self absorbed. I heard a rumor he has Aspergers. If true I would not be surprised.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:09 | 4552429 seek
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Being an Aspie would make sense. He definitely wasn't cruising for women at the parties I saw him at, but the reverse: it literally was women throwing themselves at him, the episode I remember best was at a Dell party where one particular woman flashed him by lifting her skirt, and they left together maybe 30 seconds later.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:21 | 4552469 Miffed Microbio...
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What pathetic sluts women can be. My brother worked there the same time as you. He confirms a lot of the things I have heard about him over the years as well. Though I admit he is frightfully intelligent, he has feelings only for himself.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 18:00 | 4552949 mc225
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if he didn't care about sex, it would make sense as to why he married a wallflower.

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:23 | 4552142 CCanuck
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The women that fuck Bill Gates, are shallow gold diggin cunts, that I would not fuck with your dick, Goldsmith. My world does not revolve around how many women I sleep with, I think with my brain, not my penis. You should wake the fuck up and stop thinking the world measures a man by the women he sleeps with.

Now hurry up Goldsmith the Penis Short Bus is leaving, don't forget your helmut....and don't lick the windows.

You mental midget

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 15:03 | 4552415 Miffed Microbio...
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Nice to hear a man say this. I love a man with brains and character and could care less how much money he has. It disgusts me to see women using men for meal tickets and I wish men wouldn't allow themselves to be used my these disgusting tramps.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 12:36 | 4551982 Inthemix96
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As I think most of us here know, Mr Gates is far from the richest man in the world.

And to be fair, I dont want to hear anything about this cunts ideas for anyone bar himself.

Shut your mouth son, the hole you lot have dug is deep enough, stop digging.

Good dog almighty, I hate that fucking skinny necked cunt.

;-)

Sat, 03/15/2014 - 13:19 | 4552136 indygo55
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"As I think most of us here know, Mr Gates is far from the richest man in the world."

You are correct. They 'who shall not be mentioned' are far richer then Gates, Buffet, etc.

 


Sat, 03/15/2014 - 17:19 | 4552811 Cthonic
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  "I hate that fucking skinny necked cunt."

 

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