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Missing Malaysian Flight Mystery Deepens: Pilot Investigated, Foul Play Suspected
It has been over a week since Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 disappeared without a trace, and the world is nowhere closer to finding either where the airplane and its 239 passengers and crew are to be found, nor what actually happened. Instead, what initially was speculation about a midair disintegration, and subsequently suggested a potential case of airplane terrorism gone wrong, has now transformed into a theory that the pilot and/or crew may have been engaged in "foul play", especially since it appears that based on tracking data, that the plane flew for nearly seven hours after someone "skilled" purposefully shut down its communications and tracking beacon: possibly indicative of a stealthy midair hijacking. However, the same satellite data gave no precise location, and the plane's altered course could have taken it anywhere from central Asia to the southern Indian Ocean.
More importantly, and what is missing so far, is that if indeed this was a hijacking, then where is the list of demands? Or was this merely repossession of something already onboard the plane, i.e. theft, ostesnisbly of something in the cargo hold, or the kidnapping or repossession of one or more passengers on board the plane? Also, if indeed the plane is safely somewhere else, as per the pilot's wishes, then how and why are the 200+ passengers, most of whom likely have portable communication devices, keeping quiet?
On the manifest above, while the main focus so far has been on the two passengers with stolen passports, we wonder how long until the two Ukrainians are thrown into the mix.
As for the topic of the plane's possible location considering the latest satellite tracking data, the Malaysian officials on Saturday released this map showing two corridors that the plane might be located on.
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that, based on newly analyzed satellite data, the plane could have made last made contact anywhere along one of two corridors: one stretching from northern Thailand toward the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border, the other, more southern one stretching from Indonesia to the remote Indian Ocean.
Although U.S. officials previously said they believed the plane could have remained in the air for several extra hours, Najib said Saturday that the flight was still communicating with satellites until 8:11 a.m. — 7 ½ hours after takeoff, and more than 90 minutes after it was due in Beijing. There was no further communication with the plane after that time, Najib said. If the plane was still in the air, it would have been nearing its fuel limit.
The U.S. official said the search area is somewhere along the arc or circumference of a circle with a diameter of thousands of miles.
The new leads about the plane’s path, though ambiguous, have drastically changed a search operation involving more than a dozen nations. Malaysia on Saturday said that efforts would be terminated in the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea, the spot where the plane first disappeared from civilian radar.
Malaysian authorities are now likely to look for help from other countries in Southeast and South Asia, seeking mysterious or unidentified readings that their radar systems might have picked up.
The largely clueless Malaysian police, with few leads to puruse, have rapidly shifted their suspicion on the team of pilot and co-pilot. Reuters reports that minutes after Malaysian leader Najib Razak outlined investigators' latest findings about flight MH370 at a news conference, police began searching the house of the aircraft's 53-year-old captain for any evidence that he could have been involved in foul play.
Investigative sources told Reuters on Friday they believed the plane was following a commonly used navigational route when it was last spotted early on Saturday, northwest of Malaysia.
Their suspicion has hardened that it was flown off-course by the pilot or co-pilot, or someone else with detailed knowledge of how to fly and navigate a large commercial aircraft. No details have emerged of any passengers or crew with militant links or psychological problems that could explain a motive for sabotaging the flight.
The experienced captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was a flying enthusiast who spent his off days tinkering with a flight simulator of the plane that he had set up at home, current and former co-workers said. Malaysia Airlines officials did not believe he would have sabotaged the flight.
The 27-year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid was religious and serious about his career, family and friends said, countering news reports suggesting he was a cockpit Romeo who was reckless on the job.
A photo of the flight simulator set up in the pilot's house is shown below:
AFP provides some additional perspective on the pilot:
An Australian television report broadcast an interview with a young South African woman who said Fariq and another pilot colleague invited them into the cockpit of a flight he co-piloted from Phuket, Thailand to Kuala Lumpur in 2011. Since 9/11, passengers have been prohibited from entering cockpits during a flight. Malaysia Airlines has said it was "shocked" by the report, but that it could not verify the claims.
The son of a high-ranking official in the public works department of a Malaysian state, Fariq joined Malaysia Airlines when he was 20.
He is a mild-mannered "good boy" who regularly visited his neighbourhood mosque outside Kuala Lumpur, said the mosque's imam, or spiritual leader.
The far more seasoned Zaharie joined MAS in 1981 and had logged 18,365 hours of flying time.
Malaysian media reports quoted colleagues calling Zaharie a "superb pilot", who also served as an examiner, authorised by the Malaysian Civil Aviation Department, to conduct simulator tests for pilots.
The whole passenger manifest is likely to be re-examined.
So if the pilots were not involved, could it have been a hijacking by someone among the passengers (with or without the complict participation of the pilors)? Here suspicion will once again fall on two passengers who boarded with stolen EU passports. Interpol had identified the two men as Iranians: Seyed Mohammed Reza Delavar, who used a stolen Italian passport, and Pouria Nourmohammadi, who used an Austrian one. Both passports had been stolen in Thailand. Interpol chief Ronald Noble said last Tuesday that the men were thought to be illegal immigrants who had travelled from Doha to Kuala Lumpur in a round-about bid to reach Europe.
Interpol's information suggested the pair were "probably not terrorists", Noble said at the time.
Adam Dolnik, a professor of terrorism studies at the University of Wollongong in Australia, said he still doubted that organised terrorism was behind the Malaysian plane mystery.
While a group like Al-Qaeda "would love to bring down an airliner", a Malaysia Airlines plane made little sense as a target and the stolen passports had an "amateurish" element, Dolnik said. "Terrorists don't do (hijackings), because the chances of success have gone down," he said, citing the challenge of bringing weapons onto a plane and subduing other passengers.
There has been no indication yet of any possible terrorist involvement. But some academics suggest the theory requires further consideration. "Investigations should focus on criminal and terrorist motives," said Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University.
"It is likely that the aircraft was hijacked by a team knowledgeable about airport and aircraft security. It is likely they are supported by a competent team from the ground."
Which is why instead of merely looking at the passenger manifest, perhaps it is time to look at the cargo manifest as well. Was there anything on board the plane, one serving the all-important Beijing route, that may have made the stealthy theft of the plane a sufficiently attractive risk/return proposition to the pilots?
Purely hypothetically, a 777 has a cargo hold that, in addition to passengers and baggage, can hold somewhere between 20 and 25 tons. 25 tons of gold, on a less than public Malaysia-China "official import-bypassing" route, would have a value of a little over $1 billion, four times more than the value of a new Boeing 777. So perhaps instead of robbing the cargo from the plane, some more enterprising thought would be to get the pilots in on the play, and steal the entire plane, mid-flight.
Of course, all of the above is purely hypothetical, and we are confident once the plane is uncovered safe and sound (or not as the case may be) and with all the cargo accounted for, that yet another crazy conspiracy theory can be disproved.
And still, we wonder, would Malaysia Airlines be so kind as the disclose just what "other" cargo may have been on board the mysterious flight. Inquiring minds are dying to know.
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Stepping away from the conspiracy ledge for a minute, here is the WSJ with the four main unanswered questions about the flight:
Was it a hijacking?
While Mr. Najib suggested that the plane's disappearance was due to "deliberate action," he stopped short of categorizing the event as a hijack. "I wish to be very clear: We are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path."
Aviation experts say that the likelihood of a hijack has increased significantly with the latest information, and a key to solving the mystery is to profile in detail every person aboard the jet. "Everything points to a hijack or something that was planned way in advance," said Mark Martin, an aviation consultant.
Did the plane crash, or did it land somewhere?
No further information was available about the state of the widebody jet and the 239 people on board after the last satellite communication was sent from it. There was no indication as to whether the aircraft crashed into the ocean—as several aviation experts have earlier suspected—or if it had actually landed.
Though experts say it is unlikely such a large jet could land undetected, investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose," a person familiar with the matter said earlier to The Wall Street Journal.
The search will now likely involve scores of other countries in South and Central Asia following the new information, raising the possibility that the jet may have reached some of the world's more politically unstable regions.
Whose deliberate actions?
Mr. Najib says the nation's authorities have "refocused" their investigation onto the crew and passengers. Experts say that the 777's multiple communication systems could only have been manually disabled by someone or people with detailed knowledge of the sophisticated jet's inner workings, thus putting the focus on the pilots or with passengers who have aviation experience.
"Whoever flew the aircraft was an outstanding pilot who was familiar with radar evasion techniques and fuel-burn management," said Mr. Martin, the aviation consultant.
Why can't the search parameters be narrowed?
Satellite information disclosed on Saturday indicate that the plane may have taken two possible tracks: a northerly corridor as far as the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and a southerly route extending to the southern Indian Ocean. Mr. Najib explained that the type of satellite data couldn't confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact. Investigators are working to "further refine the information" on satellite data.
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Finally, for all those pressed for time, just watch the following clip summarizing all the recent theories and views on flight MH370's whereabouts:
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On tonight's news it came out that Malaysian police raided the homes of both the Pilot and Co-Pilot. The young family of the Co-Pilot is missing.
Sure, you hold them as hostages... for insurance, in case the guy gets cold feet. As soon as he lands, both he and his family become dangerous loose ends that get terminated: Dead men tell no tales.
I hate to jump into such a bizzare aviation incident but perhaps I can add something to it. Actual pilots in command of big jets being responsible for purposely crashing their airplane has only happened twice. To think this is the 3rd with no parts of the jet and its 2 flight recorders is absurd.
Nah, what if the engine uplink info is BS, or they figured out how to jam it a bit later.
A Rothschild was over on one of those bum fuck islands last year trying to do a commodities deal. My guess is he is the one behind it. Probably intends to fitl it with a nuke and send it back.
He is invited to - everyone in that part of the world except the Malaysians would shoot it down.
Don't you think they could buy a used plane and do the same thing? keep things simple, as most people are.
Some people use the phone or Skype.
If your narrative is it was Iranian agents, you need a VERY public plane jacking with the eventual follow-up false flag.
In fact, if your goal is to foment war and mold public opinion, you NEED something obvious and flashy so the majority of the ADD sheep can follow your color by numbers plot.
Hijacking a cargo plane doesn't imprint on the dullard Gestalt-sorry. Try again.
its harder to tie stolen passports to a used plane....and iran.
Foul play suspected? That's a joke right?
Foul play suspected? That's a joke right?
You'd think so, but then I think about WTC7 collapsing from fires, or bankers committing suicide with nail guns or al qaeda getting anthrax from Ft.Detrick... and I realize that we should wait for the media and government to give us the truth before wildly speculating...
you just have to be patient. 75-100 years seems to be the turnaround. I know, bureaucracy right?
The other thing need to check but my understanding is the plane dropped a couple of thousand feet suddenly before leveling out which would imply a struggle in the cockpit to take control of the plane from the pilot(s) assuming one of the pilots wasn't in on it from the get go. Wouldn't surprise me if we find out based on what we know if it was a hijacking not involving either pilot the hijackers used women to flirt with these guys to gain access to the cockpit in the first place. Guys are always suckers for hot pussy (the non-feminized ones anyways).
Anyone out there privy to electronic wireless hijacking via the internet (aka, 9/11 theories)?
It will be should I say funny if a 17 years old kid come out and apologize for taking over 777's controls from his basement and was scared to tell any one what he did.
USAF AWACS plane, scrambled the radar communications, but couldn't simultaneously scramble the military air traffic control (hence why it was still picking the plane up), and was used to electronically hijack the plane.
Where to? Best I've heard is Cocos islands, where there is a runway large enough.
Reason? The employees from Freescale Semiconductor? Usually there are multiple reasons, and this is speculation at best.
But the Cocos airport looks tiny. Would there be a large hangar there? Doubtful? And also there are 600 people living there. It would be easy to verify if there have been any unusual visitors to the island. Although it is true that the Australian gov loves to be cheerleader to the Yank and Pom games. And there are plans to build US bases on the islands.
The Cocos Islands runway is big enough and well within range but no way an unscheduled 777 landing and refueling there would or could go unnoticed, or not be commented on in a big way, by the locals, as soon as the missing Malaysian jet was announced. That didn't happen so it did not go to the Cocos islands.
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The plane was last seen headed NW when it disappeared off Malaysian radar.
The satelite track NW of the last suspected radar position centers on Uighur teritory in western China.
A Uighur group claimed responsibility for the plane's disappearence five days ago.
Uighur separatists have been knifing people in China this month.
China may want to start looking for this thing in their own back yard.
http://www.news.com.au/national/uighur-separatists-claim-over-missing-fl...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-pakistan-uighurs-idUSBREA2D...
It was heading north or south, they aren't sure where. I'm not convinced it went over India, the stans, China without getting picked up by some serious military radar. If it crashed in the Indian ocean, why no debris or pings from emergency trackers?
With the news this morning that the plane was airborne for up to 7 hours, my James Bond theory is that it was landed in an isolated ex-soviet military strip in Somalia in the ultimate Dr. Evil act of piracy. But, this is just a theory.
At 2:15 AM, it was last spotted by Malasian radar about 50 miles SW of Phuket, Thailand. The satelite 'ping' at 8:11 AM places the aircraft on one of two bands, well north or south of the last radar contact. If it went south, then it likely disappeared somewhere west of Australia, and the chances of anyone finding it seem remote.
If it went north though, it didn't have to go over India or Pakistan. A track off the coast of Myanmar, over Bangladesh, and then northwest over Tibet would put it in Uighur territory well before 8:00 AM, where it might have sent that last ping while already on the ground. If it did land safely in an area with some cell tower coverage, that could explain the online status of some of the passengers mobile phones on social media sites for several days afterwards.
How good is the radar coverage on that track, especially in the middle of the night? I don't know, but since this looks like a deliberate takeover of the aircraft, to me, the northern track makes more sense than the southern route. If you're just taking over a plane to commit suicide, then why fly for 6 more hours before doing so? After a couple of hours, one spot in the ocean looks just as good as any other, I would think.
Closest Western interests to attack are in Australia...
The 8:13 AM satelite ping indicates that the aircraft was no where near Australia at that time.
"one of two bands", one to the Andamans, the other to Australia. If the information presented is correct in the first place.
Right, but even the southern band puts it well to the west of Australia just after 8:00 AM. From any position along that band, at that time, the plane couldn't have actually reached Australia before running out of fuel.
The northern band stretches almost entirely over southern and western China.
If the plane made it down in one piece, looking along that northern band gives the best chance of finding it. If it went down west of Australia and any floating debris has been spread out by a week's worth of current and wind drift, there's almost no chance the wreckage will be found anytime in the next few years.
There is a couple of US bases here along the Indian Ocean coast just a few hours flight to Malaysia. North West Cape is one of them with lots of hi-tech tracking equipment. That would be a prime target. Also some mining infrustructure and BIG gas platforms for shipping LNG. They are worth many billions and would make for a massive explosion.
For me, the most probable scenario are:
1) Nut case killed crew and passengers (could be one of crew), suicide, plane autopilot until out of fuel
2) Plane taken for cargo/hostages. Could be in Eastern China, but could also be Somalia.
Anything is possible at this point, but getting to Somalia would have required refueling somewhere.
If the aircraft flew over Bangladesh and then Bhutan without being spotted, once they were on the north side of the Himalaya range, if they tracked along it and stayed below 20,000 feet or so, I think it might be tough for radars to the north of the flight path to spot them against the background radar return of the mountains.
Strange days indeed.
Sound theory as anyone else BadLib... I cannot see that MH370 would not have been tracked by either the Indian or Chinese military radar.
Interesting conjecture on 4 misterious planes on Flightradar24.
Flight MH 370 – The four mysterious anomalies on FlightRadar before plane vanished
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/flight-mh-370-the-four-myst...
Your article link above also says "Two American and three Asia Pacific contractors – each strongly tied to military: China Telecom, Business Machines Corp.,Austin-based Freescale,International Business Machines (IBM), ZTE Corp., and Huawei Technologies Co. Combined, they have 26 high-tech experts on the passenger manifest list, including two executives."
Huawei was connected with Shane Todd.
Dr Shane Todd was an American engineer who died under disputed circumstances in Singapore in June 2012. Local authorities said Dr Todd had committed suicide, though his family insists that he was murdered,[1] possibly in connection with the work he had been doing at the Institute for Micro Electronics ("IME"), part of the Singaporean government-run Agency for Science, Technology and Research ("A*STAR") involving a gallium nitride based semiconductor amplifying device for the Chinese telecom company Huawei.[2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Shane_Todd
I read an article somewhere that his parents had his external hard drive - which indicated someone other than Shane had attempted to delete files. He was uncomfortable about his situation there because he was being pressured to give out sensitive US security information.
Here is the 6 hour range.
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=194466&filename=phpdNDyqf.jpeg
Yep, Somalia is possible, but it might be right at the limits of the plane's range if they diverted to the south to avoid Indian and Sri Lankan radar.
But the satelite 'ping' data, if it's to be believed, seems to point more towards western China or some spot in the ocean 500 miles west of Australia.
The main element of the 'Uighur' theory that puzzles me is that if China is your enemy and your target, and if you have taken control of a flight that can continue right in to Bejing with no suspicion, why do you divert it somewhere else instead of just continuing on your flight plan to Bejing and crashing the plane into something there?
The 'out there' explanation for that might be that they wanted to load something onto the plane before using it as a weapon. But that seems overly complicated for a group whose most sophisticated attack to date involved knives. Pakistan supports the Uighur to some extent, but probably not to the point of giving them a nuke or some other wmd that could be traced back to them.
This is starting to make the whole D.B. Cooper thing look simple by comparison.
Anything is possible at this point, but getting to Somalia would have required refueling somewhere.
I'm not suggesting this happened, but say one/both of the pilots smuggled poison gas onto the plane and killed/anaethestised everyone on board. Take the plane low enough, open an emergency door (and no, I have no idea if this can be done in flight, but I'm sure someone here will tell me if I'm talking out of my ass if I am) and throw the dead/unconscious passengers and their carry-on luggage out of the door.
Lighter plane = greater range.
Also, if plane is taken really low, you may be able to extend range hugely by using the 'ground effect' by flying the thing 1/2 its wingspan above the ocean. Harder to spot on radar, too.
And yes, I HAVE been drinking.
That's interesting speculation. I don't even think they'd need the poison gas. There's been some suspicion that if the plane did climb to 45,000 feet just after it broke contact with Malasian flight controllers, the reason might have been to depressurize the cabin and kill the passengers from hypoxia. The oxygen masks in the cabin don't provide enough O2 to keep people alive at 45,000 feet.
The question I would have is why?
The Somali pirates don't usually kill the hostages on the ships they take, because it's the hostages that companies pay to get back - the cargo is insured.
Seems like a lot of trouble to go through for the typical Somali pirate scenario, unless there was something particularly valuable on board.
I like the ground effect idea, and it does increase lift while also reducing drag, but you'd have to be nuts to fly 100 feet off the deck over thousands of miles of ocean in the middle of the night. A little bit of turbulance or a rogue wave could end your trip in an instant.
Wind speed / direction can make a big difference to fuel economy, a pilot would know the weather on the day in question and prevailing wind conditions, pilots are big on weather knowledge both in general and on the day of flying in specific. Below a computerized wind map, fun to play with, try it!
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic=...
Very cool! Thank you!
Big Jim,
The last person I heard doing this was D. B. Cooper in 1971. I believe airlines were then designed to have the doors not be able to be opened in flight. But I've been drinking as well and shouldn't be trusted. Perhaps Flak should come by and educate us on modern avionics and aeronautics. I'm sure she has a PhD.
Miffed;-)
Perhaps a B-777 pilot or engineer can answer this Q. In what configuration would give such a long range airplane to maximize it's range? If you put one of the engines in flight idle or even shut it down, how far could it go? If you reduced mach number to .62 at FL 290, how far could you go? Navy P-3's could shut down 2 engines and stay on station for many hours, but can a big Boeing jet do this?
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You might want to add this story to your list: http://www.inquisitr.com/1171431/uigher-muslim-with-flight-training-on-b...
A Uighur Muslim with flight training from Sweden (completed in 2006) was aboard the flight.
Valuable link and interesting development.
Getting access to the cockpit could have been timed with a toilet break/meal/coffee and/or sending a couple of hot accomplices to chat up the pilots (assuming one was not in on it and Fariq has form with this). I cannot see both pilots being connected because why would the need this guy? If one of the pilots was in on the deal then the second guy would be backup and also to assist with diasabling the other pilot and providing redundances and assistance to land the plane if that was the plan.
Flight training could be a helicopter or Cessna 172 PPL licence for all we know.
The link cites an unnamed source.
I am old enough to say that this whole thing is the craziest shit I have ever been witness to and I remember the Jim Jones Kool-Aide thing.
But then war-criminals Bush Jr.'s "Mission Accomplished" stunt may still actually trump this.
"Maybe Madam Marie could help?!"
"Maybe Madam Marie could help?!"
Did you hear the cops finally busted Madame Marie for tellin' fortunes better than they do?
Plane was flown to some location in remote Pakistan, landed and the Chinese passengers broken up into small groups and taken all over Afghanistan where they will be used as hostages agains the Chinese govt to punish it for its crackdown in Western China against Tajik ethnic Muslim peoples. Look at the recent uptick in violence there with the stabbings etc. One of the pilots acted alone and locked the other out of the cockpit or spiked his drink with some drug and knocked him out then tied him up.
Wow, sounds like a great movie. Too bad the Chinese won't negotiate with terrorists. Sounds like Chinese for diner in Pakistan. Retaliation will not be pleasant for Muslims. Not my problem, Achmed.
Too bad for Haji, they're in the McDonald's meat in Diego Garcia already.
Well anytime the Chinese execute a Muslim etc these guys just march out some Chinese hostages and lop their heads off and put out a video on the internet. Tit for tat. It draws attention to their cause because another hostage dies from the ill fated flight that gripped the world's attention for months before it was found out what happened.
As reasonable a theory as anything else. The link above to this:
Uigher Muslim With Flight Training On Board The Malaysian Airliner Being InvestigatedYeah, right: remote Afganistan is full of mile long runways.
The plane was vaporized over the South China Sea by a new weapon in the arsenal.
Direct Energy Weapon.
LOL The criminals of the Chinese government probably kill more of their people in a year than the West combined. They for sure have killed more over the years. The Nazis couldn't even approach the numbers of Mao.
Or put another way: Pols and crats do not value life. Asians value it less. And the Chinese even less.
"A person holding a Chinese hostage means two dead people."
How is this related to what's happening in Ukraine? It's not a coincidence.
People kidnapped/cargo stolen/plane destoyed? All facts are not forthcoming.
The plane is gone.
If this plane made it to land would't RADAR pick it up. Lets say it flew into India I would think an unidentified 777 would sort of stick out.
There are a lot of remote islands out there only need about 5000 feet I believe of runway to put one of those planes down on the ground.
I am sure some of those islands are used as landing points for things like drug smuggling for example.
More interesting is if it was to take down the plane outright and not a hijack the usual suspects should have made public claims about their success right about now. That no one (at least we are being told no one publicly) has taken responsibility is of interest and would point to a possible hijack/ransom afterwards scenario that either went wrong or is still in process.
Not sure I agree with no one taking responsibility. Seems to me that the longer they can hold out the more fear they can create. They have more time to get away from the landing site along with any hostages and of course scatter. Last thing the perpetrators would want is to be in one place in a remote location with security forces encircling them in a traditional hostage standoff.
If this is how this turns out then this was a very sophisticated operation being executed with both patience and precision.
They have now had a week since landing to get out of dodge. If, and it's a big if, they landed the plane somewhere remote any additional time gained before the plot is exposed is an advantage.
Let's assume that satellite resources are looking at all remote landing sites. You cannot hide a 777 very easily.
There was a claim of responsibility several days ago. No one took it seriously, but the claim was made:
http://www.news.com.au/national/uighur-separatists-claim-over-missing-fl...
There you go, though I wouldn't call them the usual suspects though more like new kids on the block. Frankly I've not paid overly much attention to the whole thing as to try to not get caught up in the bombardment of bad information.
Remember they are 'seperatists' and the region they reside in is an autonomous region like Crimea. What do we call Crimeans?
Language is a telling thing.
If the NSA wasn't spending all of its time watching US citizens, it would have time to keep up with what else might be happening on the planet.
I thought the NSA's job was to keep secrets? How do you know they don't know? Hmmmmmmmmmmm!
If you use Snowden as a data point, I'd say keeping secrets isn't their forte.
Feigning incompetence is an old Chinese strategy. NSA is new to the party.
As a long suffering Twins fan, your name makes me laugh out loud.
I keep reading it as 'Chuck KnobLaunch', or, even better, 'Chuck KnobLunch'.
If you use Snowden as a data point, I'd say keeping secrets isn't their forte.
Pretty sure the Snowden didn't get much more than 1% of the dirt. Unless one thinks a low-level subcontractor got Hayden's security pass and went all Mission Impossible in the mainframe.
The myth of transparency is a “cover story... a way of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers... Eventually many secrets get out that wouldn't in a fully totalitarian society...but the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public... secrets that would be of the greatest import can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insider” - Daniel Ellsberg
the NSA only cares about what the sheep in America are up to.
But then they know that missing planes don't get fed up with their criminality and take up "pitchforks," as is "their right, thier duty."
Putin stole the plane to divert attention from Crimea...
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Putin entered Crimea to divert attention from the important cargo he has stole from that plane...
Putin wants as to shed as much light as possible on the Crimean election AND on international banking AND bullion theft. This is the work of ostensibly 'western' interests (though certainly not yours or mine). Evidence of 'western' plans for a false flag over the weekend have already been exposed.
I bet if the jet owed unpaid U.S. taxes they could find it.......
Not if its cfr.
Austin-based company confirms 20 employees on missing Malaysia flight http://www.kvue.com/news/austin-based-company-has-20-passengers-on-missing-malaysia-flight--249148671.html
PATENT: 11 March 2014 http://truthnewsinternational.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/us008671381.pdf
Four days after a missing flight, a patent is approved by the Patent Office for maximizing dies on a wafer. 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX. Patent is divided up on 20% increments to 5 holders:
Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%) Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%) Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%) Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%) Freescale Semiconductor (20%)
If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased if not disputed in a will. If 4 of the 5 dies, then the remaining 1 Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent. That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.
Who owns Freescale Semiconductor ?? Jacob Rothschild through Blackstone who owns Freescale. Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all 4 Chinese members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane. Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved. Thus, Rothschild gets 100% of Patent once Patent holders declared deceased. Rothschild, you are an evil bastard
Exploring the theories regarding flight 370 http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/
Did MH370 fly on for hours? Satellite data indicates Malaysia Airlines flight may have strayed as far off course as the Indian Ocean
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/did-mh370-fly-on-for-hours-satellite-data-indicates-malaysia-airlines-flight-may-have-strayed-as-far-off-course-as-the-indian-ocean/story-fni6um3i-1226854085211
Was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Redirected to Diego Garcia? http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/
Diego Garcia has a staff who follow a code of not asking too many questions and keeping their eyes wide shut. Unlike Malaysia, there are no General Dauds in Diego Garcia, who would blurt out what they saw on military radar. A curious military exercise took place on the Southern-Eastern part of the United States coastline. Fighter jets were reportedly “escorting” a plane. To quote, Members of the South Carolina Air National Guard are conducting an air defense exercise along the coast.
Guard Senior Master Sergeant Edward Snyder says people might see fighter jets escorting a civilian aircraft Thursday over the North Charleston and Myrtle Beach areas.
quite a story Youri. you are the king of surfers.
Every idea materialized in an american corporation belongs to that company, not his inventor. The employess working for those companies know that, they have signed it on a paper. The patent theory behind this event is bullshit.
Agreed B. This theory is patently ridiculous (someone had to say it).
A lot of expense, risk and murder for a patent - pretty thin
I'd say that, taken at face value (haven't checked out the links) this would, in any country with an ounce of honesty in its police force, have guys in uniforms knocking on doors.
People are snuffed for a few thousand dollars. Just think of the size of the semi-conductor market before calling it 'just a patent'
This patent theory has gone beyond ridiculous. As I stated in another thread:
The "assignee" of a patent is considered its owner. The listed applicants and/or inventors have no ownership rights. The assignee of this patent, is Freescale Semiconductor, and has been since the application was submitted in 2012. There would be no financial benefit in eliminating the inventors.
An understanding of patent law should put this conspiracy to bed.
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=08671381&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.u...
These kind of "events" are done according to an occult timetable...the conspiracy theory helps elaborate it.
+1 thanks for adding some clarity into some of the internet rumors. Having gone from a crash to a hijacking situation has totally drawn me in, sadly. Between this and Ukraine, its the best real world drama I could ever think of. Not to take lightly the many lives being affected greatly by these events and my prayers go out to all them, but if the world is ending, I want a front row seat with some popcorn.
It could be a message to all Chinese Nationals working in the US on the H-1B to check their loyalties. This has been my concern about the visa program, especially with China's tech people, for a long time. Corporate theft of IP will not be tolerated should be the message, but I wouldn't deliver it by killing people.
Well I didn't say that. What I say is that if the evil cabal does something big they want to let it serve multiple purposes.
Like with 911 also destroying Building 7 which destroyed valuable evidence against the Bush family for instance.
How should China retaliate? Kick JP Morgan out of Beijing? I would.
The Rothschild cartel gets China fat and wealthy, then they pull the rug out from under foot. They have no honor, Elders.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Patent Issues http://illuminatireview.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-patent-issues/Inventors are not assignees ... now it's theoretically possible the publication had multiple assignees, but we can't know that since the application is not (yet) published.
One assignee
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=08671381&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.u
That's correct. All four inventors assigned their interest on 10/25/2012 and it was recorded on 12/24/2012.
Seems like a fairly useless patent.
But Youri has a better patent link in the second thread comment.
Give it up, it was crashed in the middle of the Indian Ocean so that we may never learn of the electrical & navigational exploits of errors of Boeing & Honeywell Aeronautical Assoc. Ltd.
Everyone knows they were carrying the missing BITCOINS.
oh, yeah. don't step in the umgawa
Everyone also knows that bitcoins are toxic to most sea life, which if it crashed in the ocean, explains the coming mass die off of marine life. Fukushima is no longer a danger.......
Fly Corzine Airlines and let the landings surprise you!
Haha!
the plane did not explode or crash into the indian ocean. it was hijacked for parts, perhaps for the planned staged terrorist attack in melitopol in the ukraine. i suspect that the passengers have been murdered because the plan called for dead bodies. this hijacking most likely involved blackwater, cia, jsoc, and other us intelligence thugs....oh and let's not forget mossad.
There is no reason to believe the two Iranians boarded the plane. Tickets may have been purchased on their behalf, using fake passports, but the people who actually boarded the plane did not have to be them. If the airport did not check passports against a list of stolen passports, who can say they verified IDs properly.
When the smoke clears, you will find that a Saudi funded terrorist group hijacked the plane and was thought to use it to dive the plane into a target. I suspect once the airliner turned off communication, counter-terrorist protocols kicked into action. The airliner would have been tracked, and if it's course was deemed a problem, would have been shot down.
I suspect a fighter pulled up beside it, and the hijackers panicked and blew up the plane.
As a trail would surely show Saudi sponsored terrorist links, the "Free World" is closing ranks and pretending they can't find anything. Using Iranians as a disposable front to obtain the tickets makes things look bad for Iran.
The big question is "Why would Saudi Arabia want to make Iran look bad?"
Following conspiracy theories principles, i would say the 2 iranians are just decoys. Problably, the plane is hijacked by real terrorists and flew to the top secret terrorist island of Diego, Diego Maradona in India Ocean..
They identified the Iranian "smugglers" from video recorded at the airport. But, maybe you're right, who really knows if those two actually went on the plane. Unless they had video cams in the jetway ramp used for boarding.
There might not be video cams in the jetway ramp but it is standard procedure for passenger passports to be checked when entering the boarding gate.
Re: ""Why would Saudi Arabia want to make Iran look bad?"
1) Relations between Washington and Saudi Arabia are not what they were. Beware smearing Saudis with dirt that isn't theirs. That said,
2) Saudis don't like Iran cutting into local oil export business. Iran is reportedly scoring major deals outside the dollar sphere.
If only the 2 Americans on that flight could be Pelosi and Reid...
Possibility that there is a design flaw that has been exposed enabling someone to 'remotely' take over and fly a commercial carrier?
Is that possible, any commercial pilots here? Not sure how high tech cockpits are these days!
google dov zacheim
Dov
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=2875
Not a design flaw.
It was intentional.
Insurance claim: this plane held 50 BILLION TONS of gold. Tons not tonnes. And 6 million Judeans were on board or residing within any of the countries within the flying range of an empty 777 with a full tank along the planned flight path, or possible alternate routes, or possible deviant routes. And the gold was all priceless irreplaceable artifacts, including the Hastings endowment and a bar from Fort Knox so we demand Obama invade Europe NOW.
After US robb the 40 tons of ukranian gold, everything is possible.
And double indemnity if tourism was involved.
monad Links?
Sykewar Buchenwald
Myron Fagan: The Illuminati 1967
HOTT 919: TWA Flight 800
HOTT 1048: TWA Flight 800
KAL Flight 007
I didn't down vote you.
The information being released has seemed contradictory and/or incomplete all along. When trying to determine whether someone is telling the truth you look for contradictions / changes in the story being told. I can't help getting the impression someone is lying, some official party involved in this tragedy. Too many changing story lines, not enough information being released. There seems more to this than has been released. It is difficult to believe in this day and age with all the spying technology the world is awash in a passenger plane could just drop off the world for a week with no one in officialdom knowing where it is within about three feet.
Yes, Dumb, you have touched upon a number of facets that can appear when "secret" government operations can partially go awry. Chief characteristic is the different "facts" put out a few days later after the 'event' versus the immediate reporting. Prominently applicable to this tragedy is (easily verifiable) original reports of the flight VANISHING from radar just after handoff from Malaysian ATC to Vietmamese ATC.
Next day, Malaysian military sez flight was not only still tracked for at least one more hour, but DIRECTION changed to head west. They (the military) later attempted to obfuscate the certitude of their announcement when - lo and behold - Boeing comes out and sez the engines continued to emit "pings" (denoting their being operating), for anotheer 5 HOURS and then stopped.
This general time frame and trajectory, btw, puts the plane in the near vicinity of Diego Garcia.
I suspect the continuing confusing info being disseminated will serve the purpose of casting suspicions on scapegoats (the pilot, for example), and an increased flight time (now 7 hours) to diminish DG's being the somewhat obvious endpoint as well as to bring in more countries/groups to potentially blame.
Only 2 possibilities.
1 The US will use it as an excuse to invade somewhere
2. The US did it.
I'm thinking maybe he went looking for Amelia Earhart.
That was the US Government spying on the Pacific prelude to World War Two.
One book that I read many years ago,
claimed Amelia Earhart was rescued by Japan
and she became Tokyo Rose during the war,
and later secretly returned to the US after the war
and given a new name identity.
This plane was successfully stolen and is being ready for the next phase. The next phase is bound to happen soon because the muslims don't have time on their side.
http://www.engineering.com/3DPrinting/3DPrintingArticles/ArticleID/7305/...
Another flight 800.
DIRECT ENERGY WEAPON!
The US vaporized the plane with an ION CANNON!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSxwSK0Rc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tey6xg8uqQ
But you still do, o troubled one.
if it crashed into the Indian Ocean.. the aircraft will never be found.
there is no debris field.. metal structure sinks and anything floating would have driffted hundreds of miles. people dont realize how fast the indian ocean is.. imagine searching the entire united states for scaps of floating luggage.. this is not a needle in a haystak.. its a needle point on a football field.
Somewhere between Indonesia and Australia, not a large area search. A bit deep perhaps.
The seat cushions have washed up months later thousands of miles from crashes. Something will turn up.
Or not.
The plane crashed onto an invisible island. If they look at the mainfest they'll see a suregon by the name of Jack Shepherd was on the plane.
Plane in some remote area in kahzakistan - will be stuffed with some type of dirty bomb - target Russia .
Or make that Kirzakhstan...
What would the terrorists who did 911 want with a 777? What could they possibly want to discretely fly into the airspace of a major city?
What is the purpose acheived by nuking any of the bankster strongholds?
Nothing to see here. Go back to grazing.
They are going to turn it into an nuclear EMP device, fly it over th U.S. and detonate it. Of course no one will see it coming, so on and so forth, same as it ever was and all that........
Thunderball
It's no good for that, it's too small.
Ideally you'd want to have a larger arcraft that's even easier to notice.
Well then maybe they are going to fill it with candy and explode it over the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.....
The US Government terrorists?
PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-fishermen...
I believe the plane was hijacked and by person(s) who had B777 flying skills.
Whether this was to steal something in the cargo or to disappear the four Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductors is hard to say.
But if the plane was secretly landed somewhere, the great threat is that it will be used to carry out an act of terrorism at a later time.
A plane loaded with a dirty bomb and flown into a major city must be the big fear.
obviously this is being used to distract most as the real world may be slipping into darkness.
after 24 hrs i knew something was up and as each day passed it became extremely obvious. I refuse to even listen to anything new on this fantasy. MSM and all who are talking about it who think its real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mity4ewW464An airline expert was on BBC news today (I didn't catch his name), and he mentioned that the photo taken of the girls in the cockpit with the Malaysian co-pilot was actually taken while the plane was on the ground and not during flight. The news anchor guy appeared a bit surprised by this. The expert guy was very factual and looked like the type of guy who would get annoyed by inaccuracies. He said if you look closely at the photo you can see its on the ground.
My point being, the photo does not prove that the copilot was an irresponsible character who let people into the cockpit. I have been in lots of planes where the captain or co-pilot chats to passengers at the cockpit door and it would be very easy to ask for a photo.
I was also in a plane in South Africa where before the flight, the captain chose a lady passenger that he had spotted to sit with him in the jump seat in the cockpit for the entire flight from Kruger to Joburg. The captain got the airstrewardess to request the girl. She was sitting near me. The air stewardess said to me that 'he does this all the time, chooses a girl every flight'. This was around 2003. I tell this just to illustrate that girls are in cockpits during flights, well at least on horny South African captains' flights.
Maybe that pilot had an irrepressible urge to eat Indian curry in Madras or Kandy and took the liberty to bring 239 others with him to the curry binge...
There are some irrepressible urges that are difficult to fathom let alone to repress.
I get the feeling that Putin has an irrepressible urge to do the same to Crimea; eat balaclava at Sevastopol and say to the West you lost that remake of the Crimean war of 1857.
It sends chills down Potus's spine as the sequel of that about turn of global political "catch as catch can" free-for-all could be that Cuba says : we kick you out of the Bay of Pigs sequel, aka of your Gitmo "dirty tricks" syndrome...
Bejesus...if the US gets kicked out of Gitmo the NSA and Patriot Act loses its home base for saying "yes we waterboard" and NSA feels like the lonely son of the bygone Us hegemony age of the Splendour of the Ambersons...
Flight went off-line over Gulf of Thailand and was seen going down in flames by a highly credible eyewitness (whose info has been max suppressed). Everything else is bullshit and mis-direction. Someone did not want person(s) or something to get to Beijing and took the plane down. If it was simple mechanical failure then this level of psyops is unnecessary and if it was a highjacked then by whom, how and for what reason? The last week has been theater for the little people.
There are only two sides in the coming WORLD conflict.
The side that holds God and the higher morals and values of a human society close to the heart, and the luciferian/satanist murdering child killers.
This purposely planned and media hyped up warmongering for profits and population elimination is NOT about different cultures, or country differences. It is about GOOD, and EVIL. Period!
Every Soul on board is being admonished to choose which side you are going to be on as this purposely planned warmongering escalates, or not. One will ring victorious, and the other will fall hard. All actions, words, and deeds carry Karmic consequences. There is NO escape from this universal Law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1J5sMv28Q
which God do you bow to and which crusade or jihad do you use as instrument ?
You are totally out of date. Go eat some curry with those 239 others.
You obviously don't understand who runs the world falak
Well if its God--never mind which one-- you must have a direct line to him to know that.
If its the Oligarchs then its all based on quarterly reports and CB cronyism.
I was referring more to the thousand points of light
You've read the Bible right? That God is a POS.
Most likely that wacky-tobacky god me thinks.
Can a pilot of a Boeing 777 manually depressurize the plane?
Yes
Can a pilot of a Boeing 777 manually depressurize the plane?
Yes. And, the crew has LOX and positive pressure, full face, masks. So, yeah, put your masks on, turn the PACs off, and wait a few minutes. The "masks" will fall in the back, but, they are not positive pressure and the oxygen they generate are form cannisters which run for about 12 minutes. Climb to a highter altitude, high 30s, low 40s. Wait 20 minutes. Everyone will be asleep. Give it a half hour or more up there and everyone will be dead. Turn the PACs back on, take your maks off, and keep flying. So, the answer is, yes.
Which is why it is very important to make sure who the hell you have in the cockpit. For me, I am shocked when I hear stories of kids with virtually no flifght time in the cockpits of these jets. Nobody with less then 10,000 hours should be at the controls of a 777. Nobody. Not that the hours count, but the years.
The plane seems to have headed for Diago Garcia.
Hmmmm.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/dg.html
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Ok ok ok ok....I'm going Leo Getz here. Here is my take. I for one, can't believe Big Brother has no idea where this plane is or could be. Therefore, big brother is behind it's disappearance.
After 911, Top Secret back-doors, in all major aircraft, were installed, so planes could be commandeered instead of shoot down. This allows a looking glass type aircraft to seize control and redirect and land the aircraft.
This system was used to gain control of 370..at this point, the only question left is why. I know, I know too much chemtrail inhalation.
If you find any of this plausible vote up. Too many Chemtrails vote down.