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Russia Vetoes, China Abstains From UN Security Council Resolution On Ukraine
In a rather concerning (though not entirely surprising) turn of events, the United Nations (which may well need to be renamed after this) is making headlines:
- *RUSSIA REJECTS U.S. DRAFT RESOLUTION ON UKRAINE, CHURKING SAYS
- *U.S. DRAFT DOES NOT DIRECTLY BLAME RUSSIA FOR CRISIS IN UKRAINE
- *RUSSIA VETOES UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION ON UKRAINE CRISIS
- *CHINA ABSTAINS ON UN RESOLUTION ON UKRAINE
And then the US comes over the top:
- *POWER SAYS UN VOTE SHOWS RUSSIA 'ISOLATED, ALONE, WRONG'
Well "isolated and alone" with China?
#UK: '#Russia stands isolated in this Council & in the intl comm' 'ball is firmly in Russia's court' #Ukraine #Crimea pic.twitter.com/m3xBGDDXS9
— Ukrainian Updates (@Ukroblogger) March 15, 2014
It is hardly surprising since the UN Resolution declared Sunday's referendum on Crimea as invalid but China's abstention makes it clear that the 2nd largest economy in the world is in no way supportive of the West's plans and is siding more with Russia (albeit in a diplomatically safe way - for now).
Here is The Diplomat's Wei Zongyou on China's potential role to offer some constructive diplomacy to resolve the impasse:
Though far away from China, and definitely not affecting China’s “core interests,” Ukraine crisis is increasingly placing China in a diplomatic dilemma. On the one hand, the crisis aggravated by the “peaceful entry” of Russian soldiers into Crimea and the latter’s plan to break away from Ukraine through a referendum is diametrically opposed to China’s long-held principle and position of non-interference and anti-separatism; on the other hand, if China sympathizes with Kiev’s new government or the West’s view of point, it will surely alienate Russia, with which China has forged close strategic relations in recent years. What’s more, as Russia and the United States are both wooing China for support and as the situation in Ukraine goes from bad to worse, how could China still stand on the fence while not alienating either and transgressing on its own long held principle?
In view of the delicacy of the situation and the inherent dilemma, China’s response, so far, has been very cautious and intentionally ambiguous. However, as the United States and Europe push for tougher measures and sanctions against Russia, and if Kiev decides to put its case before the UN Security Council, which would seem very likely, China’s diplomatic leeway will be increasingly squeezed. Beijing will have to make its position more clearly heard and play a more active role, as new Foreign Minister Wang Yi suggested at a People’s Congress press conference.
The good news is that there is still some room for diplomacy:
First, neither the West nor Russia wants war, even cold war. For a post-modern Europe, a war with a nuclear-armed Russia is unthinkable. Even a cold war of some form would be unbearably costly, if not an outright disaster, for the struggling European economy. Britain, France and Germany each have huge economic interests with Russia. The budget-constrained Obama administration, meanwhile, just doesn’t have the means or the will to wage or even imagine a small, conventional war with Russia. For Russia, although it is disillusioned with the West, it is not prepared physically or psychologically to have a war, hot or cold, with Western powers.
Second, the United States, Europe and Russia all want to find a reasonable way out of the current crisis, as of course does the Ukraine government. No doubt, Russia’s action in Crimea surprised both the U.S. and Europe, which find themselves pressed by world opinion to take firm action, even though they are not prepared and reluctant to do so. And while they push for some kind of economic sanctions against Russia, they still don’t want to shut the door of negotiation and push Moscow into corner. As for Russia, though it did expect some resentment and criticism from the West, it is not prepared to face the prospect of tough economic sanctions and political isolation. If offered a decent solution, Russia will not be foolhardy.
Third, an autonomous Crimea within Ukraine, within which Russia’s military presence can be guaranteed, is in the best interests of Ukraine, Russia and the international community. Under the current situation, what worries Kiev most is the possible loss of Crimea and the Russian threat to its territorial sovereignty and integrity. In its turn, Russia’s nightmare is a pro-West Ukraine, hostile to Russia and opposed to its military presence in Crimea. If each can get what it wants to and avoid what it fears, a solution may be found.
Given these common interests, China can play an active role in facilitating a diplomatic solution to the current crisis.
First, China could embark on a quiet diplomacy, taking advantage of its close strategic relations with Russia. At present, in the shadow of looming economic sanctions from the U.S and Europe, the chance of Russia backing down in bilateral or multilateral dialogues with the West is very slim. Russian President Vladimir Putin is not going to bow to the West because of sanctions. However, if China can quietly offer Russia a helping hand, talking from the perspective of a close friend of what is in Russia’s best interest concerning Ukraine, something Putin knows better than anybody else, the perhaps the Russian president will be more willing to listen. And Chinese President Xi Jinping can reciprocate Putin’s phone call and offer his advice as a friend.
Second, if Putin is interested in China’s advice, Beijing should seek Washington’s promise or even guarantee of the status of Russian military base in Crimea and the cancellation of economic sanctions.
Third, once a promise or even guarantee is secured, China should work together with Germany, whose position and attitudes are somewhat different from those of the United States and other European countries, to persuade Russia to de-escalate the situation and seek a diplomatic solution to the crisis.
Of course, if Russia is unwilling to take China’s advice as a friend, Beijing should also be straight with Moscow, telling it that China will not be comfortable with, let alone support, the secession of Ukraine territory, which would be contrary to China’ s long-held principle. And Beijing should also be frank in conveying that Russia cannot count on China’s vote if the case of Crimea’s independence or secession is put before the Security Council by the Ukraine government.
And indeed they did not get their vote - but clearly China is still playing the game with their abstention.
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Bitches!
Whew! I was worried Obama was going to draw another uncrossable line
Obama is down to krafting chalk lines,
Isolated and alone without US lackey/puppets Britain and France. Isolated and alone with a billion Chinese.
Why should anyone read your blog. I red it and it is stupid. Sorry.
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...Ok USSA, start You War Machine... end EBT Cards and begin Conscripting all Your Welfare recipients or indebted, basement dwelling, Gen Y College Grads. Don't think either group will take kindly to going to War on the other side of Mother Earth
"Isolated"!!!
Russia and China have a third of the worlds "controlled" land mass on Earth!! Ya there isolated all right??
"Only in America", as they say!
Russia has a plan and they aren't afraid to do what they are doing. They are setting up to take the East and south of Ukraine, essentiallymaking it a landlocked money pit that will have to get Russia's permission to ship from their ports.
If Crimea votes to join Russia, it does not block Ukraine from the Black Sea. Ukraine has only to build their own portage, outside Crimea, but this will not be done. The US and Europe have created an impoverished Ukraine and it will remain as a flash point until the western U krainians are all dead or subjugated to either Poland, or the EU. Putin knows this, EU knows this, Poland knows this. Only people who do not know this are the people of the so-called West. Go figure.
The war machine has been running for decades now. Can you even imagine a 'fighting force' comprised of dis-possessed ghetto dwellers? It's why Nixon not only reneged on gold convertabilty, but the draft as well. These kids are mostly not even worthy of conscription.
This has been true for a long time and you can (and I expect) downvote me if you want, but between the 'new deal' and the 'great society' we have created a class of people who are utterly worthless. I use the term 'we' as the most general of terms.
renamed to "Not United Nations" or NUN
<----- UN-UNITED Nations
<----- NONUNITED Nations
more posturing, wtf did they think was going to happen, stupid UN
11/21/13
"Call options giving owners the right to buy gold at $3,000 an ounce by December 2015 traded 7,250 contracts yesterday on the Comex in New York, more than double the amount of the next most-active option, data compiled by Bloomberg show."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-21/gold-option-wagers-on-surge-to-...
Gold Bitchez...Rumor has it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1p6Xbqrbx0
Fools. They think there will be gold left at the end of 2015 and someone will actually cough it up. War is virtually inevitable now, the only question (a very important one) is how it will be fought. For those who pray we should be asking for a course with the least possible use of nukes. There is still a lot of wiggle room in how this plays out.
So gold to $1900 on Monday, right?? Who's with me?
China rill buy Russian bonds long time
The UN drama queens will drag this on for days.. Someone emailed me this humorous link. Enjoy!
http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html
That's cheap, does it come with passengers?
Seriously is there a more impotent useless criminal panty waisted organization than the UN?
Anyone who looks to them for help only need remember Rwanda
IMHO, genocide in Sudan and Darfur were much worse.
No kidding. Just a great place for the well-connected to live high off the hog in NYC and for very little work. Nice apartments, expense accounts for fine dining and whores, exquisite suits, diplomatic immunity so no parking tickets....seriously, it's a great life.
Perhaps for just a little longer.
www.gizmodo.in/news/NYC-Is-Falling-Apart-And-That39s-OK/articleshow/3185...
Would love to see the stats on the other "global power center", London.
That's ok...Bankster bonuses are up.!!
I'm not the biggest fan of bandmate-replacing-born-again-Christianized-Santorum-endorsing/donating Dave Mustaine of Megadeth, but the song 'United Abominations' is a recent classic and an appropriate listen for the thread.
"Within striking distance from Ground Zero sits a smoldering
International cauldron, the "United Abominations" as it were
Born to prevent wars, it froze in the face of disaster and
Stood silent while terrorization took hostage the world
In a mire of hypocrisy, the UN ignores sex crimes by its
"blue-helmets", and enables terrorism; so that in the end it's failed
And the UN is where our so-called "friends" get to stab us
In the back, and we pay 22% of their tab to host our enemies
Here at home. Ambassadors from countries, otherwise known
As a catastrophe, enjoy diplomatic immunity living in
Manhattan, while their children are turned into prostitutes
It's a complete and utter disgrace, a blot on the face of
Humanity, and they get away with it."
Gotta love the second line in the first verse, "held hostage by oil for food."
dave mustaine wrote some great music b4 becoming a xtian
i loved megadeth back in the days...
I am convinced that the UN is useless and furthermore, a criminal organization, that should be eliminated.
Perhaps ironically, Rwanda is currently on the UN Security Council.
and how did they vote?
"Seriously is there a more impotent useless criminal panty waisted organization than the UN?"
The Republican Party? Just my thought there.
The average Rep could kick the azz of the average Dem. I guarantee it
The average Libertarian could kick both their azzes simultaneously.
But no one likes to hear about the partisan bullsh!t here anyhow.
And the Social Democratic Party of Croatia beats them all.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirko_Filipovi?
UFC is on tonight. I will try to imagine Pelosi's face on Lawler and Boener's on Hendricks. That should be fun.
All these Zio's PAY others do to their FIGHTING & KILLING with Free USA-FIAT.
Doesn't matter, Obama issued an executive order overturning the Security Council vote.
And he can lawlessly change his mind about it whenever he wants.
Our first female president
gender neutral
Metro-sexual
Just gotta love China. They abstain more than devout catholics.
OK, so the US got UK, France, Argentina, Australia, Rwanda, Luxembourg, South Korea, Lithuania, Chile, Chad, Jordan, and Nigeria to support the US resolution. How surprising is that? Meanwhile, getting China to "abstain" rather than veto is considered Samantha Power's big victory? And hey, she did a great job getting the sun to come up this morning, too.
Why should China cast a vote? Russia's veto tables the resolution. Why commit? China plays for time, while cementing non-USD agreements with a growing number of countries. Not all power comes out of the barrel of a gun. China's most prudent move is to do nothing. And that's what they're doing. When your adversary is intent on destroying himself, that's what you do.
I find it funny the Democrats even give two shits about the UN actually. "When it gets real you better vote."
"And this will be the only vote you see." Bwhahahahaha.
"Mr. President...you are now authorized to pretend this wasn't your fault, not your idea, you had clue that this would be the result, be shocked and appalled" but otherwise pull the trigger on this thing.
"The Emperor has foreseen this! Join me and we will rule the Galaxy as Father and Son!"
Yes, and a wolf among sheep is also isolated, alone....and rises to the sound of frightened bleating.
"POWER SAYS UN VOTE SHOWS RUSSIA 'ISOLATED, ALONE, WRONG" The arrogance that the spokesmen and women of these United States displays to the world is astonishing. A proverb says 'Everyone that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand joined in hand, he shall not be unpunished.' How much more so does this apply to a nation that allows the stubbornly proud in heart to govern. If only America would be a nation of peace, we would prosper again. Instead of exporting inflation and war instead we would elect leaders that would export mercy and truth. America's judgement is upon itself.
long war correspondents.
Don Corleone of AIPAC, CASS SUNSTEIN has a WIFE, what is her name for 20 upvotes?
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Samantha ... ?
Power.
It is only a crisis because the US started a crisis and they wanted a crisis. You would have to be completely ignorant of any historical facts to have done what was done in Ukraine by the US and expect Russia to just let it happen. So either Obama is a complete moron and so are all of his advisors, or they are trying to start a war.
I vote for both being correct.
The Global Governance is forming right before your eyes. Who wants more bread and circus treats?
"Not my circus, NOT my monkeys!"
So the US spends $5 Billion funding a Nazi coup in the Ukraine which overthrows a democraticly elected government, ignores the fact that 89% of the people in the Crimea want to secede and then threatens Russia claiming it is isolated. In addition America, in a show of how it respects its allies has both stolen Germany's gold and told the EU to get fucked. The absolute insanity in American politics is becoming more obvious daily.
I am waiting for China/Russia to put some seed money up to have protests in front of our Capitol to remove the corrupt, militaristic and unpopular regime. The Capitol dome blackened by burning tires should make a great picture.
"89% of the people in the Crimea want to secede"
gallop poll ?
:)
"Well "isolated and alone" with China?"
well, china could have vetoed, but did not...
Of course the votes went this way and everyone there knew it would, that wasnt the purpose of this, the u.s pushed for this resolution so that publicly russia could look like the agressor again that way when the u.s makes their next move they can say hey we tried the u.n but it didnt work
China SHOULD have vetoed, but did not. Thus, they will continue to do what they do best: Smile, and look after their OWN interests.
IOW, it remains to be seen if they will stand by the Russians if pressed.
Good point. The Chin failed to back their western cousins the Xi Xua when Jengis Kahn invaded - and to their detriment - what should make us think China isn't trying to play Russia?
I am and have been of the mind that Russia and China are currently joined at the hip, but it is important to keep an open mind.
China needs energy (to keep their Party elite in power [same as everywhere else]) and Russia has energy.
The energy equation will force things to be more regional-based: long-distance shipping is waning.
he who has the nuclear navy wins
"long-distance shipping is waning."
Not likely, recent lack of demand is clearly cyclic, the result of global nascent depression conditions. There is no clear evidence at all of a fundamental desire, economic or otherwise, to stop using global shipping or global trade. We used to do it with sails, and will again if we have to, which we don't, and won't need to any time soon.
Just need a little longer to get rid of their dollars than Russia.
I have no doubt where China stands if the US pushes this any further.
The Chinese wanted another couple of years before the inevitable confrontation with the US.
Its the US pushing for it now before it becomes even weaker.
On paper it really is no contest except for the nuke part of the equation.
WC, I think that it's been the US that's wanted to engage in a conflict with China. Start some sort of war and all the various debt stuff goes into the toilet. China really has no reason to start any war (until/unless the US starts blocking their energy channels): the reall push is likely to come from activity in Africa (that's why there's AFRICOM [US has had this all game-theory'd out for some time]), though the spats with Japan are starting to present an entry to war.
The end picture really doesn't have China in it: China is just kind of underfoot. It's the US and Russia: too much invested/ingrained- think Dr. Strange Love (it's auto-piloted).
I agree , but never let a crisis go to waste.It makes more sense for the Chinese to
side with Russia right now, eliminate the US by destroying whats left of ts economy,
and then turn on Russia for their resources if needed.
The consumer is dead in the US, even the Chinese must realize that export market is finished.
Thats how I would play it.
in theory you're right. but when you diversify into euro's and yen and congratulate yourself for holding any "Crazy Colonel Rubles" it kinda makes you go "huh" too.
It's not like Britain abstained.
The only question I have is "will Turkey remain neutral" as well as China.
America has played it's Wild Card (Senators in Kiev come Monday.)
The only question now is will Putin's Russia be forced to go all in because the Regime can't handle a humiliating withdrawal from Crimea.
The Ukrainians are still wearing their uniforms...PLUS rank AND insignia.
This is Putin's show.
Kinda hard to back down now.
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Just out of curiosity, do you experience synaesthesia (like hearing colors or seeing sounds) with your hallucinations?
Pain meds probably.
He should try to manage without them like I do.
Completely fucks your deduction.
TPP, nuff said.
Operators are standing... er sitting by...
CIA steals airplane full of Chinese tourists
CIA kills chinese tourists in KUNMING rail-road
CIA engineers BITCOIN fraud too rob Japan, Singapore, and China.
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Me thinks the Chinese are being extremely patient with the spoiled rotten un-bridled AIPAC man-child.
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Let's imagine this, let's imagine that SNOWDEN is real, let's IMAGINE that at some POINT CHINA/RUSSIA unleash the HOLY-FUCKING grail of GENOCIDE, dump all the info on USA/ZIO Murder, INC,
How will the ZIO-MSM contain they will not, they will distance.
I agree, you can ONLY sell USD so quick, you can only buy GOLD so quick,... everybody is moving as quickly as possible,
Which is why the US-ZIO have gone full retard, I suspect that we'll soon see 1,000's of INNOCENT CHINESE tourists murdered elsewhere, as the ONLY thing that CIA/MOSSAD has up its sleeve is MURDER.
lol
China will for sure be at Russia's back.
I think many of you fail to realize that Russia and China are the last powers opposing Nato-Zato.
And no, China will not let Russia fall.
U.S was only "no" vote on the UN security council.
Kerry says vote proves Russia is isolated.
'Nuff said.
The new USSA allies
http://rt.com/news/maidan-leaders-russia-criminal-858/
Or Amerika's alley cats!
Ha! Of course Russia is "alone" here, China doesn't count because they're not SMALL enough. When the US ILLEGALLY waged war against Iraq they boasted of support from the likes of Romania!
Too bad the civilians all around the globe didn't rise up and "off" ALL "leaders."
China has often supported Russia in the UNSC, especially in polls related to Syria crisis, and its present restraint is interpreted as the best possible outcome. China abstained in UNSC on a similar international crisis, on the occasion of the conflict between Russia and Georgia in 2008. China is very sensitive at questioned territorial integrity, due to Tibet and other domestic areas where separatist aspirations are smoldering.
The 1999 US dropping of GPS-guided JDAM bombs on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade sure didn't help.
This won't surprise, more of the same, but now w/ Russia's military encircling the East Ukraine boarder, with $100B of Treasury bills/bonds sold last week, we see now that militarily, economically, and diplomatically the cold war has been revived.
WTF crap out of this THE DIPLOMAT that it mentions not even the slightest about the *** LEGITIMACY *** of the current self-installed "govt" in Kiev, resulted from an armed coup d'état.
Just be reminded the Russia wants to have discussion based on the clock date of Feb 21st while the West only wants a clock date of Feb 24th.
Any honest party to discuss the Ukrainian problems must deal with clock date discrepancy - Feb. 21st vs. Feb. 24th, 2014
China will be a big dumbass if they don't question the legitimacy of the current self-installed "govt" in Kiev!!!
When nothing they do makes sense given the narrative, it means that the narrative is totally wrong.
Given the 'Democratic Self-Determination' narrative the solution for the time being is SIMPLE: (I didn't say EASY. I said simple.)
REQUEST OF RUSSIA AND CRIMEA:
1) Wait for Ukrainian Elections before taking further action (including referendum). Until then no one anywhere knows whether the interim Ukrainian government has any legitimacy.
2) Let Crimean troops (whom we are told are ethnically Russian anyway) guard crimea through Ukrainian elections - they can always call the Russian Naval bases if there is reason later. If Russian troops are in Crimean streets there is no way for anyone to know anything about the validity of the votes of Crimean citizens during Ukrainian elections.
3) Hold Crimean referendum - without Russian troops.
That no one is suggesting this implies: 1) The narrative is wrong. 2) No one has any intention of honoring a Ukrainian election or a Crimean referendum.
ERGO -
THIS IS ABOUT A GAS MONOPOLY.
Russia is there to dissuade the US/West from meddling! Again, it has legal authority to be there (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/ron-paul-putins-crimea-invasion...).
"THIS IS ABOUT A GAS MONOPOLY"
ALL WARS (and any friction under such a threshold) ARE ABOUT RESOURCES.
OPEC was demonized as a "monoploy." Funny, OPEC's model was based on the Texas Railroad Commission's model... Any time people cannot get their way they kick and scream and call names. If you don't like the outcome of being dependent on something then, rather than blame the "dealer" change the habit! We're going to wind down the fossil fuel party anyway, so take this as the sign to start weaning. Russia sees the EU for what it is: BROKE. Smart would be to shift away from that failing market (shift toward China). Russia had subsidized Ukraine's energy and Ukraine STILL went into debt.
It's a much simpler equation. People just want to haze it all up in order to not face the real problem.
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.. The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people.
And this does not count the economic prisoners forced into military or the banker/medical cabal of usury slaves.
I see we missed one
Obummer better get his bitches in line. He is presiding over a major disaster here.
Can't he at least bitch slap that Powers broad?
Machoism appears to be trumping wisdom...
The Founders didn't want the US meddling in the affairs of other nations. Got that? I'd prefer the POTUS to be out golfing than in some back room charting out meddlings: really, maybe we just pay them all to stay way from their offices?
Samantha Power = John Bolton in a skirt.
The US is creating a mockery of the word diplomat.
Exceptionalism ad naseam.
Samantha Power threatens to fuck PUTIN with Cass Sunstein's ( her husbands ) AIPAC COCK.
Now if you were PUTIN and some Irish ZIO-WHORE threatened you with the Don-Corleone Cock of AIPAC, what would you do?
Point and laugh.
And by all accounts what I have read and heard others say,
The British government would have something to say about this Ukraine situation if they wernt busy covering up, protecting, obfuscating and down right lying about the fucking child abuse they are getting up to.
All at the tax payers expense of course.
Damage limitation springs to mind. Oh, and on that note, fuck the US, fuck the UK and fuck the rest of them kiddie fiddlers, Russia is well on right in this whole debacle.
SD Weekly Metals & Markets: David Morgan Forecast & Eric Dubin on Ukraine
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=125732
Bunch of fucking idiots.
Everybody here knows why and how events in Ukraine came to a head. Unfortunately we don't have the resources of the MSM to educate the sheeple by telling the truth.
(1 ) Europe needs Ukraine under their umbrella so that they can be plundered.
(2 ) The US need Ukraine so that they can extend their influencel over Russia and its borders.
Expedite (1 ) and (2 ) AT ANY COST
Thay's all you need to know
"No doubt, Russia’s action in Crimea surprised both the U.S. and Europe, which find themselves pressed by world opinion to take firm action"
hehe, is it real that world opinion pressed USA to take firm action? which World opinion? that one that msm said that pressed USA to invade Iraq? Afganistan?
Perhaps, it is time to stop thinking that msm represent World opinion. and start to prosecuted Vitoria Nulland for starting the crisis in Ukraine risking a nuclear war.
I guess he was referring to the United Nations vote in general instead of the Chinese Un-vote specifically. But, either way he’s wrong.
Isolated and alone without US puppet/lackeys Britain and France. Isolated and alone with a billion Chinese
UN has become irrelevant long ago (since bombing of Yugoslavia)
WW3 is irreversible at this point
Crimea is old news, the real test will be what Putin does on the eastern side of Ukraine.
The pro russians are in the masses calling for mother russia to help them while they clash with the neo nazi ukrainians......
Tick tock tick tock....is Putin going to step the line and save his Russian people??
Interesting and timely. Interesting look at China's dilemma. But weak, inside-the-box thinking.
This Tyler commits the fallacy of treating the West - or even the US - as a single entity with common interests.
This Tyler overlooks the evidence of an active and long-standing project of isolating and weakening Russia, breaking up the Russian Federation, provoking confrontation and eventually destroying the Russian regime through a "color revolution" or even war if necessary.
This Tyler overlooks the likelihood that the conflicts on the ground unleashed by Orange Revolution II may be spinning out of control and may force Russia and the West to take reckless actions.
And more to the point, he is overlooking the certainty that the leaders of China know all these things, and are well aware that they too are targeted by the same forces.
- Their hope of escaping from the dollar and building a world trading network free from US, IMF and international banker control would be dealt a heavy, perhaps fatal blow if Russia were broken.
- They know their strategic position in their border regions world would be severely weakened by the CIA being able to move and operate freely in Siberia, and more freely in Mongolia and the FSU, in support breakaway movements in their ethnic minority regions.
- Their military position on the ground would be critically weakened if NATO (and perhaps Japanese) forces could be stationed in Siberia, very likely followed by bases in Mongolia and the FSU nations.
- Their nuclear strategic deterrence would lose its credibility if the fear of Russia getting involved were removed.
- The last reason for the Empire to fear cutting off China's oil supply routes, fear of Russia getting involved, would be gone, along with the hope of opening new overland energy supply channels to compensate.
For all these reasons, Tyler fails to make the call that China will - must - break for Russia at any cost, if - or rather when - they are forced to take a stand.
The one reason they might not: if the Chinese billionaires and multi-millionaires we've been reading about on ZH who have been frantically offshoring their money and preparing their escape have enough power in Beijing, they could act in support of their new overseas homelands and force a Chinese vote against Russia.
That would surely be long and bitterly remembered as an act of treason against the Chinese people. But hey, a Communist party and government led by billionaires is an anomaly, a new experiment in the world. Maybe this is how it ends.
I dare say China is buying time.
UK, France are already knockout economically.
And Germany would not do anything to help the empire to tighten her grip on germany neck. They want USA to close their bases and pull out the nuclear bombs. It was expressed oficially since 2000.
By the way, who want to be exploited by the international banksters? i think not even the sheeps there in USA if they know the truth.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-russian-forces-move-outside-crimea-15...
SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces backed by helicopter gunships and armored vehicles Saturday took control of a village near the border with Crimea on the eve of a referendum on whether the region should seek annexation by Moscow, Ukrainian officials said.
In a statement, the Foreign Ministry denounced the foray outside Crimea, and said Ukraine "reserves the right to use all necessary measures to stop the military invasion by Russia."The action in Strilkove appeared to be the first move outside Crimea, where Russian forces have been in effective control since late last month. There were no reports of gunfire or injuries. The incident raises tensions already at a high level before Sunday's referendum.
The village is on a long spit reaching northward from the main part of the Black Sea peninsula, about 10 kilometers (six miles) north of the border between Crimea and the Kherson region.
A spokesman for the Ukrainian border guard service, Oleg Slobodyan, told The Associated Press the Russians, about 120 in all, took control of a natural gas distribution station in the village. The Foreign Ministry said the force consisted of about 80 and didn't mention the station, but said the village was seized.
As Crimea prepares for Sunday's referendum, dozens of billboards throughout the regional capital proclaim "Together With Russia." But a few have been hit by spray-painters who scrawled out "Russia" and replaced it with "Ukraine."
The referendum is denounced by Kiev and the West as illegitimate ; the West is threatening costly sanctions against Russia if it moves to incorporate Crimea. But the result is seen as a foregone conclusion — Crimea is almost certain to vote to split off, further aggravating Ukraine's political crisis and one of the harshest East-West confrontations since the end of the Cold war.
At the United Nations, Russia vetoed a Security Council resolution declaring the referendum illegal, and close ally China abstained in a sign of Moscow's isolation on the issue. Supporters of the U.S.-sponsored resolution knew that Russia would use its veto. But they put the resolution to a vote Saturday morning to show the strength of opposition in the 15-member Security Council to Moscow's takeover of Crimea. The final vote was 13 members in favor, China's abstention, and Russia as a permanent council member casting a veto.
Supporters say the region rightfully belongs to Russia and that the government that replaced fugitive President Viktor Yanukovych is a coterie of fascist-minded nationalists who will abuse Crimea's majority ethnic-Russian population. Opponents bristle at Russia's heavy hand; Crimea effectively is already under Russian control after forces were sent in last month.The question of whether Crimea, a strategically important Black Sea peninsula that is home to a key Russian naval base, should become part of Moscow's orbit raises strong passions on both sides.
Tensions are also high elsewhere in Ukraine. On Friday night, two people were killed and several wounded in a shootout that erupted after a clash in the city of Kharkiv between pro-Russian demonstrators and their opponents.
In downtown Simferopol, at least 1,000 people on Saturday jammed a square in front of a soundstage and two massive TV screens as a long succession of Russian musical acts lauding "friendship of nations" and Russia itself. Musical acts from distant regions of Russia sang folk songs and danced traditional dance. One ensemble dressed as fairy-tale characters sang "Don't Fall Out Of Love with Russia!" No Ukrainian flags or colors were visible.
"We have our great mother, Russia, who has taken us in her arms," said 40-year-old demonstrator Nikolai Antonov. "If Russia hadn't protected us, we would have had to take up arms" against the new authorities in Kiev.
Posters pasted to walls throughout the city center made comparisons between Russia and Ukraine for gasoline prices, doctors' salaries and student benefits. The comparisons all suggested Russia was a more prosperous country.
But referendum opponents at a smaller rally said the economic argument is foolish.
"I'm a citizen of Ukraine. I don't want to be a citizen of another country, or of Russia. It's well known what it's like to live in Russia. There's absolutely no civil society whatsoever. You can't say what you want. People can't gather for demonstration unless it's good for the government," said Andrei Voloshin, a 20-year-old law student."It's better to be poor and live in a normal country than to live in a police state," said Ine Sultanova, a 66-year-old retired engineer.
Details of the Friday night shooting in the city of Kharkiv were murky, but local news reports said it broke out after a skirmish between pro-Russia demonstrators and their opponents.
Violence has escalated in Ukraine's Russia-leaning east in recent days, as pro-Russia demonstrators have seized government buildings and clashed with supporters of the new Kiev government. At least one person died and 17 were wounded in clashes in the city of Donetsk on Thursday.
Kharkiv, near the Russian border, is a hotbed of pro-Russia sentiment and opposition to the acting Ukrainian government that took power last month after Yanukovych fled the country in the wake of months of protests.
After the skirmish, according to the reports, there was gunfire outside a building housing the offices of several nationalist groups including Right Sector, which was one of the drivers of the protests against Yanukovych and that vehemently opposes Russian influence in Ukraine.
Russia has denounced Right Sector and similar groups as "fascists" who allegedly want to oppress ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
A spokesman for Right Sector in eastern Ukraine, Igor Moseichuk, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying the shooting was a "planned provocation by pro-Russian forces."
Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page that two people were killed and several wounded, including a policeman who was seriously injured. He said some 30 people "from both sides" had been detained.
The victims' identities were not immediately made public. Moseichuk was quoted as saying the two killed were not among those inside the Right Sector offices.
The violence in Kharkiv and Donetsk has raised concern that Russia, which has massed troops near eastern Ukraine's border, could use bloodshed as a justification for sending in forces to protect the ethnic Russian population.
Ukraine's acting president, Oleksandr Turchynov, warned Saturday that "there's a real danger of the threat of invasion of the territory of Ukraine."
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Friday, after meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry, said Russia has no plans to send troops into eastern Ukraine.
Article quote: "It's better to be poor and live in a normal country than to live in a police state,"
WTF is "normal?" How "normal" will it feel when their energy suppliers no longer wish to give them discounted energy?
I too would like to have no govt or police state, but I recognize that life will still be hell without them (because the REAL issue is resources/energy- whether you have them or not).
If western Ukraine is not careful, they'll be poor AND living in a police state!
And The Diplomat shits out another steaming pile. Oh, that's right, it's Saturday, and special Tyler is on duty.
Hey, Wei Zongyou, where is this "world opinion" pressing the US and Europe to take firm action? Any basis in reality or did you just make it up? It seems AnAnonymous was right: US citizenism is spreading in China, and this Wei Zongyou from Shanghai International Studies University is a Chinese US citizenism citizen.
Made me laugh. Actions speak louder than words. If the US and Europe didn't want to push Moscow into a corner, they would have their Ukrainian goon squad abide by the February 21 agreement that they themselves pushed for.
More duplicitous garbage. The quotes around "peaceful entry" are propaganda code for violent invasion, another US-propagated myth as the soldiers have been in Crimea for years.
Also, perhaps Wei Zongyou should consider that, in fact, it is the US-orchestrated violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government which is diametrically opposed to China's principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries. The US is historically the biggest offender when it comes to such meddling. No doubt there are State Department attachés at the US embassy in Beijing working on the "theoretical" details of how a Lotus Blossom Revolution in China might play out.
As always from The Diplomat, this is once again cheap propaganda as expected and of the poorest taste. But hey, Chinese US citizenism stomach can digest anything.
Great dissection!
Looks like the Security Council cross some sort of red line. What do we do now Ollie?
The UN:
International jobs program for the ruling class's idiot brother-in-laws.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Oh, and another thing...
"one of the harshest East-West confrontations since the end of the Cold war."
Have we not seen a single MSM story without this phrase included?
Stewart or whoever should do a video clip compilation of 85 media outlets looping the same phrase over and over.
Confrontation, scary, spine-tingling, stay tuned for our sponsers...
Hey Vicky...Fuck the UN.
I don't see there being anything wrong in presenting it as "one of the harshest East-West confrontations since the end of the Cold War." It is. Doesn't matter who or how many times it's repeated (though, yeah, it gets nausiating).
When two sides are pushing military weapons into a convergence zone, and those two sides have the biggest militaries on the planet, well... No, this really is big stuff. Don't care what the MSM says (I don't listen to them anyway); every once in a while they can be right in what they say (though perhaps their meaning is different).
The Chinese are (forever?) indebted to Russia for their (August/1945 - Declaration of War) invasion of Manchuria? Or are they worried moar today about geo-politics, and their own survival with a USSA's pivot-to-asia? They'll need to make a decision-- whereas their 'red-queen`syndrome' is only a 'maginot`line'... hence, from a reality thought unpossible to be usurped before the child has found one's legs?
The existential threats couldn't be moar ambiguously opaque, with NATO's alliance estranged paralysis from reality-- an oblique plausible-deniability by the UN, and a lead from behind colonial hegemonic despotism!
The horror of WWII has never been lost on the USA, Japan, Germany, Eastern Europe, Russia, Japan and China! If not for Russia, China would probably be annex'd by Japan today! Yes, it was the Russian's that freed the Chinese not only from the Japanese but the Nationalistic Republic (ROC) of China, now Taiwan (all China's gold was stolen by ROC, and moved offshore), and a belligerent(?) ally of Japan???
Ref: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1986/RMF.htm
http://survincity.com/2009/08/august-9-1945-the-battle-of-manchuria/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)
Few realize how much Russia paid for the world stomp-out of Germany's and Japan's aggressions. I have no like for the USSR, but for the people themselves who bore the brunt of it.
So a rejection by the security council means Russia is free to invade (Iraq) Ukraine and install their own friendly government, right? I got my international political economy degree during the Bush years, so I have no idea if they've changed the rules since.
They're so friggin stupid there it should be called the UMMM not UN
Allegedly? The usurpers in Kiev have already been oppressing Russians and Russian speaking Ukrainians, vide the new language policy in Ukraine.
China is, of course, looking at this from the perspective of precedent in relation to reuniting with Taiwan, not to mention all those pesky islands it says it owns around the South China sea.
I suggest Russia help Texas secede from the states.
99 red balloons floating in the summer sky...
This is the kind of bias MSM reporting crap we are subjected to in the UK nowadays.
From Saturday's Channel 4 News e-mail about Crimea et al:
The C4 News senior anchor Jon Snow is well past his use-by-date.