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Crimea Will Formally Apply To Join Russia Tomorrow After 95.5% Support Referendum; US, UK, EU Reject Results
UPDATE: While earlier exit polls indicated strong support, the preliminary results are now being announced:
- *CRIMEA TO JOIN RUSSIA BACKED BY 95.5%: PRELIMINARY RESULTS
- *CRIMEA TO REMAIN IN UKRAINE BACKED BY 3.5%: PRELIMINARY RESULTS
Crimea will apply tomorrow to join Russia:
Crimea's regional government will make a formal application today to join the Russian Federation, the local pro-Moscow leader said on Twitter after a disputed referendum to break away from Ukraine.
"The Supreme Soviet of Crimea will make an official application for the republic to join the Russian Federation at a meeting on March 17," Sergiy Aksyonov said in a tweet.
The celebrations are widespread throughout Crimea:
Putin and Obama have spoken:
- *PUTIN SPOKE TO OBAMA BY PHONE, KREMLIN WEBSITE SAYS
- *KREMLIN SAYS PUTIN-OBAMA CALL INITIATED BY U.S. SIDE
- *PUTIN TOLD OBAMA KIEV REGIME UNABLE TO CURB ULTRANATIONALSTS
- *PUTIN TOLD OBAMA CRIMEA VOTE FULLY MET INTERNATIONAL NORMS
- *PUTIN SAID NEED TO JOINTLY SEEK SOLUTION FOR STABLE UKRAINE
And then this:
- *KREMLIN SAYS OBAMA CONGRATULATED PUTIN ON SOCHI PARALYMPICS
With a voter turnout (79.09%) that exceeded every US Presidential election since 1900, the people of Crimea have spoken:
- *CRIMEA JOINING RUSSIA BACKED BY 93% OF VOTERS: EXIT POLL
- *U.K. FOREIGN SECRETARY: U.K. WON'T RECOGNIZE CRIMEAN REFERENDUM
Ukraine's leaders have called up 20,000 men for a newly-created National Guard as despite the so-called "truce" Russian APCs and Tanks are rolling. Pro-Russian supporters are burning books in Donetsk after storming anti-Russian buildings. The White House is already out rejecting the vote (before the final results are released).
Voter Turnout (by region):
As exit polls confirm overhwleming support for Crimea to join Russia...
- Exit poll by Crimea-based Republican Institute for Political and Sociological Studies released by Kryminform news service.
- 93% of voters back joining Russia: exit poll
Exit poll: ????? 93% ??????? ????? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??
— ??? ??????? (@riabreakingnews) March 16, 2014
Despite the so-called truce, Russian APC and Tanks are moving...
Pro-Russian supporters are burning books in Donetsk
And Kharkiv is dominated by Pro-Russia supporters carry this huge Russian flag...
White House Statement:
Carney on Crimea referendum: "Russia’s actions are dangerous and destabilizing" pic.twitter.com/pfAmgxLTRG
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) March 16, 2014
The U.S. is rejecting the vote in Crimea even before the results are released.
The White House says Sunday's referendum on succession is contrary to Ukraine's constitution.
The U.S. says the world won't recognize the results of a vote held under what it says are "threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law."
A written statement from the White House calls Russia's actions in Ukraine "dangerous and destabilizing."
The U.S. is urging other nations to "take concrete steps to impose costs" against Russia.
Secession was expected to be approved overwhelmingly.
And so is the UK:
- *U.K. FOREIGN SECRETARY: U.K. WON'T RECOGNIZE CRIMEAN REFERENDUM
- *U.K.'S HAGUE SAYS CRIMEAN REFERENDUM UNCONSTITUTIONAL
- *U.K.'S HAGUE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR RUSSIA
- *HAGUE: `UNACCEPTABLE' FOR RUSSIA TO TAKE MORE ACTION IN UKRAINE
And The EU:
- *EU REITERATES CRIMEAN REFERENDUM IS ILLEGAL, ILLEGITIMATE
- *EU SAYS IT WON'T RECOGNISE OUTCOME OF CRIMEAN REFERENDUM
- *EU TO DECIDE ON ADDITIONAL MEASURES AGAINST RUSSIA TOMORROW
And the French:
- *FABIUS SAYS CRIMEA REFERENDUM ILLEGAL, AGAINST UKRAINE CONST.
- *FABIUS SAYS RUSSIA HAS RESPONBILITIES AS UN SEC. COUNCIL MEMBER
- *FABIUS SAYS RUSSIA MUST RESPECT UKRAINE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY
Now it's up to Putin... to weigh these potential "costs" against his gains...
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You had me at "Eat Shit Neocons"!
Thanks buddy :-)
Damn right. At least 3 other Eastern regions are on standby, watching curiously how the referendum outcome will be accepted by the rest of the Ukraine, the EU and the US. They'll hold their own referendums once this one is over.
The EU was caught off guard with how quickly the events developed. It takes Western bureaucrats months if not years to set up thier voting booths. In Crimea it seems the stage was prepped long before the first molotov cocktail landed on someone's head.
EU loves destruction, as it leaves institutions and individuals broke and indebted, desperate for a bailout. What did they get this time? A Western region full of anti-everything fanatics and a pro-Russian East that welcomes Russia with open arms.
Even before the oil and gas taps are shut in response to EU sanction, I bet, there'll be major pipeline sabotages conducted by the Ukrainian front. The people brought to power in Kiev were supposed to beat Russians into submission, not make them re-locate East, setting up a defense front, backed by Putin.
Surely, in the end there will be no winners. Each government takes advantage of their citizens to achieve larger geopolitial objectives, but in this specific case I side with the anti-EU and anti-IMF group.
LOL! I would love to see the Ukrainian nazis in the west turn on the NWO, Blackwater, Zio-Oligarchs and their goons. Maybe they can purge the oligarchs from the western Ukraine. Hopefully they will destroy each other but sadly innocent people will be hurt as well.
Stepan Bandera portrait was supposed to put fear into ethnic Russians. Now watch them march East, bounce right off the newly setup border and right back to Poland, Romania and Berlin where they came from.
I agree with the "Eat shit Neocons", but what I don't understand is...
1. Why "Brother Nathaniel Kapner" -- himself a Jew by birth and upbringing, became anti-Jewish and in such a 'vociferous' manner. What happened to him, to make this a personal issue/crusade fo rhim?
2. Why he does not differentiate between Jews, Israelis and Zionists (which I do). And even among "Zionists", there are two camps between which we need to differentiate, IMO:
a. One is the original camp that simply wanted a Homeland for ths Jewish people, so that they could live a quiet and peaceful life with their neighbors. Let's call them Nationalist-Zionists. My Israeli-Jewish and US-Jewish friends and I for this version of "national self-determination" of a People.
b. The other camp of Zionists is a SUBSET of the Jewish and the Israeli population, in that seeks to impose their extremist and intolerant Worldview on everyone else, and is working relentlessly to achieve this... One-World Government, with their members in positions of Wealth, Power and Influence. Let's call the imperialist Zionists (iZ). It is THIS group of dangerous fanatics, zealots and globalist sociopaths that I cannot and will not tolerate in any shape or form, as it goes against every human precept of Self-Determination. These "people" (Monsters!) do not follow the Ten Commandments or the Books of Moses. Rather, they resemble the Baal-worshiping impostors, who use different "Scripture". They seem to use select parts of the old Talmud that view Outsiders as sub-human, as "animals or less".
If we on ZH, and huys like Kapner kep our focus on this iZ slime, then we all have a legitimate "beef", and we cannot be criticized or prosecuted. But, by having the iZ crowd managing to wrap themselves in a Jewish or Israeli flag, they manage to hijack the entire Jewish and Israeli national agenda, and they thus managage ('position') direct the Discussion to their worldview as the only one for all Jews and Israelis.
It is time that We The People see through this False Discussion and call them out on it, to single them out from the rest of the Jewish and Israeli population -- which they use as their "Familiars" (as a Vampire would use a human Familiar), to provide them protection in places and times of vulnerability.
People whom we consider as Neocons and CFR types, are IMO "iZ" types. They are demon-like creatures, who endanger the whole world and seem willing or hell-bent to burn the whole world to achieve their diabolical end.
by why they take palestinians land?
SO what are you really saying, Kirk? That zealots and fanatics are not to be tolerated...I couldn't agree more. They come in every stripe and color, every creed and level of intelligence. You can open the season on them as you like, but at what point is the difference between us and them only a question of clothing?
Sanctions ...?
Putin can point this out:
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
The looser in this is western Ukraine being sold into western c/b slavery.
And today Venice is voting to separate from Italy. This separatist movement is getting contagious.
It is. Ideas Have Consequences. Scotland will hold its referendum on independence from the UK in September, and Catalonia, where about half the population say they want to break away from Spain.
and this. http://rt.com/news/international-observers-crimea-referendum-190/
Curious what the gold price is going to do at 1800 eastern US time. On one had, a 'truce', on the other hand, all this stuff. Should make for an interesting Monday.
Has the Russian govt released anything about a truce or was it just the US?
Mr Putin, TURN OFF THE GAS.
I really want to see Barry slapping a golf shoe against the podium, shouting "We will bury you". Think he'd do it if someone hacked the Teleprompter-In-Chief?
Hell, NO! That's EXACTLY what TPTB want, to they can step in and "save" the EU, and expand their USD usage base.
Killer-move (to mortally wound King Fiat) = GAS FOR GOLD. OIL FOR GOLD. Bitchez!
Using the gas/pipeline card play into the US & UK hand by further dividing Russia and the EU (ex UK). Whereas he can play the oil card globally and frame the narrative as a rejection of US imperialism and domination of the EU (since the gas market isn't global), and simultaneously sound conciliatory towards both the EU and people of Ukraine (perversely maintaining the moral high ground), and still make a fuck-tons of cash and force the EU to draw down their SPRs and hence war making capacity (and if he joins OPEC he can push the one area where both the Saudis and Iranians see eye to eye, and humiliate Lurch and Obozo on the diplomatic front).
it sound statemanship of USA a long time ago.
That is one big "Fuck you EU!".
Wonder what the folks in Southern Europe are thinking?
Because you know, fuck the EU
Curse those damned referenda. They're so, well, democratic! WE MUST DENOUNCE THEM AS UNDEMOCRATIC!
"War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength."
As a member of the world I am prepared to accept that the Crimean people choose their own fate. Fuck you US.gov and EU.
Ya gotta love a simple yes/no vote. True democracy no wonder the west is upset.
You can't transmit much information in a one-bit system.
you mean like + and -? 0's and 1's? My Compy 386 begs to differ with you.
"You can have our democracy, but not yours."
You summed up the situation in eight words! Bravo!
If you like your democracy, you can keep OUR democracy
Elections mean nothing to the EU and never did.
In all the maneuvering to bring down sovereign nations and to establish, as Von Rompuy described it, “one world governance,” EU Commission president and Communist Jose Manuel Barroso has outlined what the EU was always meant to do as a single market, and that is “to plan ways the powers of Brussels can be further extended into every part of the member states economic and fiscal lives, including taking control of corporation tax rates.”
As Mary Ellen Synon explained while based in Brussels as a columnist at the Irish Daily Mail: “It all stinks.”
The bunch of EU sycophants in Brussels, like Barroso, all are unelected, which means the EU is the least democratic organization since the U.S.S.R. Politburo.
And speaking of communists, MEP’s Nigel Farage warned of the communistic, authoritarian nature of the EU’s current 27-member EU Commission, reported to have no less than 11 out of 27 commissioners either current or former communists
What’s more, Jose Manuel Durao Barroso is a former leader of the underground Maoist MRPP Communist Party of the Portuguese Workers/Revolutionary Movement of the Portuguese Proletariat. (Wikipedia)
On January 27, 2014, Before It’s News (BIN) wrote in No, the EU has not gone off the rails; we are seeing what was always intended that “The European project has not lost its way or gone beyond its original plan. It is firmly on track to achieve what its architects set out to do.”
The EUphile media, under the control of the bankers and supreme government in Brussels, hides the fact that the EU services “the vested interests of corporations that benefit from EU membership and rule by bureaucracy, while the negative consequences of membership are experienced by ordinary people as the democratic process is eroded and the capacity of people to effect change is eradicated.
Writes BIN: “The EU is supremely confident and relatively content with its patient implementation of the decades-old plan, hatched by the likes of Monnet and Salter, to develop one overall government for all of continental Europe. It was never about creating a continent-wide free trade area. The customs union was not the aim, just a consequence of creating a single political jurisdiction. In José Manuel Barroso’s own words, the agenda is ever closer union and ‘the EU needs to be big on big things and smaller on smaller things’. Governance is a big thing and the EU will be big in governing, as per the long standing plan.
Continues BIN: The European project was always intended, slowly and deliberately, to relegate national governance to nothing more than a rubber stamping operation. By keeping nominal national governments in place, the distracted and barely cognisant populus would retain an impression of national sovereignty where none exists… in this long planned and slowly implemented subversion of national self determination..."
Source: https://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/no-the-eu-has-not-gone-off-the-rails-we-are-seeing-what-was-always-intended/
I wish I could get an actual ballot. It's going to be a collector's item one day. Don't burn the used ballots. Sell them on e-Bay! I want Putin to sign mine. I'll pay extra! I want to own a piece of history.
Strangely enough in ITALY there is a poll as important as in Crimea, however mass media has decided or been instructed to totally ignore it.
Four million Venetians will go to the polls and vote on whether Veneto, one of Italy’s three wealthiest regions, should secede from Italy and become an “independent and sovereign federal republic”.
They also vote on leaving the EU with their new republic, leaving NATO, leaving the EURO.
This must scare the EU leaders so much that they decided not to have it covered in the news, to not cause ideas in other regions as well.
So far only very littlie coverage in the media:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465108/How-a-vote-in-Venice-could-ch...
Simply fucking AWESOME! Thank you for the link!
Awesome catch Gunter. This fight club, but good deeds (and finds) deserve green arrows.
Magnifico! Well, Venice does have history on their side: Centuries of Venetian self-rule.
I agree that this needs wider coverage, I was completely unaware of it.
The smart move now is to pause and consolidate your recent gains. A Russian pause means the EU et all need to be proactive and put their best foot forward. The Ukraine government needs to show relevance.
After the EU has screwed the pooch, Russia can then proceed.
Make no mistake, a Russian pause will show all the warts of EU and Obama leadership. Those observable weaknesses are "money".
The guy on the right side looks like a Putin!
doesn't the imperialist war mongering american shove democracy down everyone's throat on the eve of invading a country? and didn't bathhouse barry insist that everyone vote for him in 2008/12 or die? and now all of a sudden he is rejecting the votes of the people? typical indonesian.....
tony bonn says:
"Typical Indonesian..."
He's Kenyan, no?
He is certainly not American. Otherwise, every action he takes would not be so anti-American.
Watch his actions, don't listen to his soothing words...
My neighborhood may vote 93% for joining Russia too. The bunch pretty much mistrust USA gov't.at this point.
My neighborhood may vote 93% for joining Russia too. The bunch pretty much mistrust USA gov't.at this point.
You should pack your bags and leave the US if you reside in the US. Go ahead and go to Russia. Have you ever been to Russia? I doubt you have been anywhere other than the sad and sour world in which you live in. The US haters on this site that live in the US really do need to leave. Our society Is rapidly deteriorating because you people offer absolutely zero positive solutions on how the US should conduct itself nationally and internationally and what steps we can take to begin to change things. Instead you just bitch, bitch and bitch. Like a bunch of cry babies. If you think there is a problem in the US than you are part of the problem. The solution to our problems in the US will never be solved by denouncing, disrespecting and spitting on your own Country.
What are the conditions which the IMF have demanded ( intended to impose) and which were so unaccaptable to Yanukovych hence he resisted and turned to Russia, and which new interim prime minister Yatsenyuk in Kiev has stated he expects will make him the most unpopular leader in Ukraine's history when (not if) he impliments them ?
We seem to have lost track of what some of Ukraine are out to avoid.; IMF austerity.
Yanukovych began talks with the opposition in Kiev.
Now these criminal rebels send tanks against the people.
Europe and the United States approve this military cannon democracy.
Congratulations to the people of Crimea, your going home and there is nothing wrong with that. one look at that mess in the Kiev and I doubt the choice was really all that difficult.
who the hell in their right mind would want any part of that?
btw Tylers the tanks in the video above and in the pictures posted yesterday appear to be upgraded T-64's which the Russian military no longer uses but the Ukrainian army does, so there is every likelihood that the video is of Ukrainian military movements and not Russian.
anyways expecting red lines and all options to be put on the table from Washington any moment now...
Russia should resolve this entire matter by moving military forces right to the eastern bank of the Dnieper River and calling it a day.
Confirmed directly from my Russian sources as well just minutes ago.
Secession is an answer. Long live freedom from bankster occupation.
Thems some sick pups thems banksters. I mean we sould be fighting them like we did Nazi Germany.
so the big eared mm shreds the Costitution he swore to defend and upholds the ukraine?!?!HYPOCRITE!!!!!
I wish I could get an actual ballot. It's going to be a collector's item one day. Don't burn the used ballots. Sell them on e-Bay! I want Putin to sign mine. I'll pay extra! I want to own a piece of history..
You should pack your bags and leave the US if you reside in the US. Go ahead and go to Russia. Have you ever been to Russia? I doubt you have been anywhere other than the sad and sour world in which you live in. The US haters on this site that live in the US really do need to leave. Our society Is rapidly deteriorating because you people offer absolutely zero positive solutions on how the US should conduct itself nationally and internationally and what steps we can take to begin to change things. Instead you just bitch, bitch and bitch. Like a bunch of cry babies. If you think there is a problem in the US than you are part of the problem. The solution to our problems in the US will never be solved by denouncing, disrespecting and spitting on your own Country.
and you should pack your bags and go to DC or Wall street.
No dumb a**, I am doing great where I am because I am concentrating on what I can effect, not what I can easily trash. Step up and do your part. Do we need to change a lot in the US? Quit winning and make a difference.
Exactly. Semper Fi
This is reassuring:
As US condemns Crimean vote, Russian TV host Kiselyov warns: “Russia is the only country capable of turning the U.S. into radioactive dust.”
Congratulate Crimea!
Short euros
And Congratulations, Hugs & Kisses from Kirk to NATALIA POKLONSKAYA, for becoming its AG (Attorney General).
As the hottest AG anywhere, ever, you should do a Selfie with Obama -- just to piss off the Wookie.
http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2014/03/12/329782/natalia-poklonskaya-takes-office-as-crimeas-new-prosecutor-general.html
Simferopol. Natalia Poklonskaya (33) has officially taken office as the new Prosecutor General of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the Crimean news edition of Comments.ua reported. Ms Poklonskaya was introduced by Sergey Aksyonov, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, at a ceremony attended by officials.
http://www.nationalturk.com/en/natalia-poklonskaya-she-is-the-putins-new-sexy-prosecutor-assigned-by-russian-for-crimea-breaking-news-48402
I should pack my bags and leave EU and go to Crimea. Law is my job.
no, short US$
But when people vote under the protective overwatch of the US military, it's perfectly fine and reasonable. Definitely not coerced or anything. The "logic" being employed by the US administration is psychotic.
Karzai is democratically elected. It take a few months to count the votes, but worth it.
just like to throw this out there regarding the world of Diversions (D3)
: Malaysia Airline Flight 370 (8 days of disappearance?)
Turkey's social fabric coming undone- chaos
Iranian Nuclear Disarmament period fading fast...
Libya nears civil war, if not already in one... after three years of pro-democracy regime change
Iraq in full fledged civil war with Kurds to north and Sunni to the east...
Saudi Arabia tying the knot with China, Pakistan, and Japan (why Japan???)...
all while the free-world is glued to the asian airline disappearance thousands of miles away? with Crimea a non-nato partition of Ukraine being annexed with a ligitimate ballot voting democratic referendum and a comatose US-MSM caring little to unfold the story from the propagandist file til harms-way has been implemented by the neo-Nazi/Fascist ussa establishment? should be a quiotic doozy...
perhaps monday... flight 370 will magically appear in some foreign country with all passengers safe and accounted for except the ??? hijackers request for a hefty ransom to finance the worldwide jihadist movement into the 22nd c.
just thought i'd throw it out there...
jmo
thankyou Tyler, and great commentary on Crimea
Interesting
Brzezinshi wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination, that “Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots. "
Brzezinski is betraying his anti-Russia animus with that list of "pivots". I supose he's just into the "Eurasian Heartland" model, and Russia is just so damn inconveniently located.
How the Hell did Russia end up in the middle of OUR Eurasian Heartland, anyhow?
If there is no Hubris after the demised of URRS, this pole should mantain his strategic view as state secrets or is it just his natural hatre of Russia betray him?,
Good luck Crimeans!
perhaps america's caste system can garner some fodder from the east...
the crimean region would be a start
Breaking up Yugoslavia was also against international law and against the constitution of Yugoslavia but the EU and the US had no problem with that. And actually were quite instrumental in the breakup. Kosovo independence same thing. Now Russia cites Kosovo as an example calling Crimea also a 'special case' and now once of a sudden it is illegal? Sorry West, you opened Pandora's box. Catalunya now also cites Kosovo as an example for their claim for independence.
Thanks for reminding us of what the US did to Yugoslavia. It caused Russia to go into alliance with China and also the rise of Putin. The West is its own worst enemy which is usually the case when a civilization is in free fall.
hubris is a good antidote for the mighty. if not, the slaves would never rise up.
+1. Good point! How long did it take the US to recognize the first breakaway republic (Slovenia)? A day or so, I think. Almost as fast as Truman recognized Israel -- within HOURS.
Neocon Hypocrites!
Kind of puts Barry in a tough position when 93% of the voters say they want Russia. Where's the oppression? Sounds like a bunch of people expressing their political will and desire. That's what we (cue eagle flyover) stand for here in 'Merica, right?
Politically this was a black eye (haha) for Barry. A huge blow for him and Horsey.
international observers say the vote was fair and legit... no pressure on voters or observers.
Crimean ‘referendum at gunpoint’ is a myth – intl observers
RT is your source? I like Fox for unbiased news(loll), maybe NPR... marcusfenix, "comrad", if the Crimeans want to secede, and it appears they do, so be it. Not a very popular idea since 1865 or so here in the USA, but don't act like fuckin' Putin's fuckin' Santa.
Listen comrad marcus, just cause you don't like US politician's cocks in your ass does not mean you have to have a cock in you mouth(read: Putin's).
Crimea's now Russian. Russia's Prez appears stronger than ours, but our Prez has a bigger stick(read: military). If you're from the USA shame on you for your Putin prattle. If our idiot politicians get involved, real people die, Russsian and US ,that's the travesty here, but don't paint Putin like a fuckin' saint.
Moon, thank you. For all you Shermans without a passport your
myopia astounds me. Watch RT learn the Kremlin line.
Phuk, I'm amazed at the RT followers and Putin worshippers...I like SOME RT articles, and I agree that IF this is what they want(Crimea) , so be it, but that does not mean I'm pro Putin. This is dangerous shit, Barry has low approval and may think we need to address this for his ratings. We will kick the shit out of Russia if this happens, but at what costs to the real TROOPS(both sides) and civilians(Ukraine/Russian)??
Oh, I don't know if I favor US odds regarding fighting Russia in their backyard. That hasn't worked out too well for, well, ANYONE. American exceptionalism is being sorely tested as it is, and I think enough crow has been eaten. Better to slink away now. But who knows?
Excuse me, but Russian rockets do not know about American exceptionalism.
"Barry has low approval and may think we need to address this for his ratings." you still think that guy call the shot?
"our Prez has a bigger stick(read: military)."
Fight with the Russian army - it is not very like a war with wild Papuans.
Therefore, any who come with big stick, very fast receive any big stick, in the his ass, including U.S. with all the NATO bloc.
I would really, really wanted to see how the brave U.S. army will fight against the Russian army, near the borders of Russia. LOL
'If at first you must secede, the US/UK/EU cry, and cry again...'
Wonder what kind of numbers you'd see on a poll to force D.C. to 'secede' and take it's slimy occupants with?
looks like barry and co ie the brits and the eu have stepped on their collective dobbers on this one. what a bunch of fools.
The White House says Sunday's referendum on succession is contrary to Ukraine's constitution.
Is this the same Constitution that provided for a military coup to override the elected government of Ukraine?
93%? Apparently some Ukraines weren't present or consulted in the streets of Kiev when the mob took away their government.
@JR
Since when has the WH taken ANY notice of their own constitution, never mind somebody else's.
Oh, yeah? What's it say about a small group of extremists taking over the Government?
Should we now hope & pray for US Rednecks to take over the WH? Maybe that's the kind of "Change we Can Believe In" for a New America. Hell, at this point they get my vote. And Putin could probably find it in his heart to reciprocate in its recognition.
/sarc
William Hague has been a disastrous British Foreign Secretary since May/2010.
First, he repeatedly lied on-air about who was responsible for the chemical weapon attack in Syria, blaming it on Assad without any evidence.
Now, he is denying the people of Crimea their right to self-determination on spurious grounds.
Yet he also repeatedly claims that the right of self-determination of the people of Gibraltar and Falklands is paramount and will be defended.
How much more hypocrisy can this political juggler produce??
@smacker,
William Hague is, I'm sorry to say a thoroughbred Yorkshireman.
Unfortunately, as a professional politician it appears that TPTB have "got" at him and now, he is as you say a hypocrite.
I would say also that as a minister, he is "guided" by civil servants, most of whom were also "guiding" Tony, WAR MONGER Blair, enough said.
Agree with all that. What really pisses me off about Hague is that he's always had a superb sense of humour. It's a rare politician that makes me laugh, but he did.
>>>How much more hypocrisy can this political juggler produce??
As much as is required, and for as long as necessary. Until he retires to the quiet, comfortable life of an elder statesman writing his memoirs....
re-post,
Crimea- high voter turn out, calm and peaceful streets, ballot boxes being brought to the homes of those who can not get out to polling locations, international observers on site and operating without restriction.
Kiev- no vote, lots of violence, hundreds dead, neo- nazis on the streets (also operating without restriction) and wielding ak-47's in parliament threatening still more violence, bloodshed and death. now they have control over five important posts in the new government and their leader, who has been quoted time and time again espousing anti Semite and anti Russian beliefs (they are scum, they should all be killed ect.) is going to run for president, with his party already in control of the state security ministry. talk about a set up for a rigged election...
sound familiar? history may not repeat, but in this case it sure is starting to rhyme.
and Washington fully supports and legitimizes what happened in Kiev, while calling what is happening in Crimea illegal and is using threatening and aggressive language and actions in an attempt to intimidate and coerce those concerned to it's will.
now geopolitics is what it is, I get that and I'm sure Putin is very pleased that the opportunity to reintegrate at least Crimea into the fold has presented itself and I'm certain that the protections the people of Crimea are currently enjoying from big brother bear is a direct result of the areas strategic importance. even still Putin may wind up actually deserving the peace prize he has been nominated for.
but the it is the Wests position on this that not only defies common sense, international law, basic human rights and plain decency...
it is now bordering on absurdly, irrationally and self destructively evil and that is very, very dangerous indeed.
Putin must respond to Obama: "I am very pleased that you recognize the new government in Kiev as legitimate and strongly supports them.
But the problem is that I do not recognize this power legitimate. I think all these people rebels and criminal fascists. So, I will arrest all of them, give to court and after this, they will sentenced to death. Invitation to a Beheading, I'll send you in advance. "
This is a very simple issue:
East versus West over scarce energy resources.
More of the same to come.
Self determination doesn't need anyone’s approval.
It does if they have guns and you don't.
Does this mean we don't have to recognize Obama as our president?
<-- Yes(we shouldn't)
<-- No(we should)
Polls now open...
Anyone identifying themselves as a NeoCon should be immediately given an opportunity to become just that - a Neo Con - at an Idaho prison.
And be sure that they have "Fuck The Aryan Brotherhood" tattooed on their ass, and "Allah Sucks Dog Dicks" on their forehead.
Hey, you forgot the Kosher Approved stamp on the other butt cheek
Putin firing up the BBQ and cookin a lot of crow for Obomski and friends to eat.
These 160 billion $ of Russian assets in Western banks can actually be a big risk to these banks. If the assets are still there anyway.
How about the $263 billion in loans to Russian companies by western banks that may not be paid back if the EU and the US keep up their nonsense? Credit Suisse, UBS and Deutsche Bank have the largest exposure of the European banks.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/Finance/article1387878.ece
Interesting indeed. Thanks. The bear has a couple of trump cards up his sleeves.
A lot of money but chump change compared to the financial pain Russia would feel.
Hell, 0 spent more than that on now bankrupt 'green' start-ups.
How about all of Western assets that will be are frozen and arrested in Russia, if the West impose sanctions?
There are shortages of everything in all wars and those shortages and high prices may hit us. If our corrupt government imposes sanctions, Russia may do the same and they hold all the aces. STOCK UP NOW on heating oil, fuel, food, drink, meds, organic seeds and supplies, if you can. Have a garden because things could get rough, worldwide
And, please, treat each other well.
Are you for real?
lol, not a "pro Poutine" in any form, but must say quite happy with that result !
And now ? USA/EU/NATO will take what stance ?
Remember the Transsiberian gas pipeline story ?
"The efforts by the U.S. pressure to prevent the construction of the pipeline, and its export embargo of supplies for the pipeline (1980–1984) constituted one of the most severe transatlantic crises of the Cold War."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy%E2%80%93Pomary%E2%80%93Uzhgorod_pip...
And for those speaking french, see starting 27:50 below :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQJ-0jAr3LQ
(great documentary if there is one to understand current "affairs")
I'm fully pro-poutine.
dupe
If the west is so democratic how come they never have any referendums?
The UK government is not happy that Scotland is going ahead with one, and that chicken hawk Cameron will not commit to an in/out referendum on staying in the EU unless he gets a second term (even then I think he would renege once he is back in).
Western governments are complete hypocrites.
Only to be thoroughly embarrassed a few hours later that the election they officially rejected actually went in favor of retaining Crimean sovereignty. As for the false exit poll, Putin commented in an interview, “Psych Suckers”.
RT news coverage is worth watching now...rt.com live
A lot of ZHers think that the NSA is reading their posts, if that is the case
you can be assured that the KGB is also. Anywhere there is discontent about
the USA and Europe on boards such as these there are going to be the RUTB's.
USA and Europe, be careful for what you wish for, there are lots of faults but the
grass is never greener on the other side. Putin is a cunt and watch RT for the Kremlin line.
You just KNOW things here at home have gotten really bad when you start cheering for Putin.
There is just no integrity or decency left to cheer for. Lived under real Socialism/Communism long enough (in the 1960s) to recognize it again -- right here in the USSA.
Death to Fascists, Bolsheviks and Banksters! They're all cut from the same cloth: Total Domination & Control, crushing the soul of humanity and individualism.
The West hates when voting works against them. They aren't used to it here, where Diebold flips the vote their way everytime.
Ever wonder how the Neo-Cons got Gore to lie down when the '00 election produced the clustf@ck? They promised him savior status with the coming "Climate Change" nonsense. Now they are all out of promises, and no one wants to be left out of musical chairs, even when they are onboard the Titanic.
At least the people of Crimea got the chance to vote through a referendum. Here in the UK the establishment do not want to give the people the chance to vote through a referendum on staying in the EU. PM Cameron said that maybe after 2017 people will get the chance. I would not hold my breath.
You're a disgrace, John Carney.
Yeah.
FUCK what the PEOPLE say. We're the fucking US Gubbermint, and what WE say go.......oh wait....here's money.....moar money....
WE'RE the fucking God damned EU...and WE think that we....oh wait....what's that...no gas?
FUCK!
Ha ha
Carney on Crimea referendum: "Russia’s actions are dangerous and destabilizing"
And here it is I thought the banking sector's actions we're and are dangerous and destabilizing.
Silly me.
The criminals are not happy. Screw these thugs.
See, here in Yid World (formerly known as Western Civilization), everything is stood on its head. This Ukraine thing is a prime example:
- Illegal overthrow of elected leader by outside forces and money: Double Plus Good!
- Election with overwhelming majority of populace participating: Vewy, Vewy Bad!
Getting it now?
Let McCain's warmongering begin.
It never stopped and will not stop until god decides he is room temperature.
The Ukraine confrontation is a good time to bring up those direct questions asked by Veterans Today to this Keating Five gang member whose dad “Admiral McCain was responsible for the cover up of the USS Liberty scandal”:
· Why did you have your service record and POW debriefing classified FOREVER?
· Did you provide military secrets to North Vietnam as stated by Colonel Earl Hopper of Army Intelligence?
· Did you narrate 32 propaganda broadcasts for the North Vietnamese and give interviews to communist papers as is stated at www.mccainbetrayspows.com?
· Why have you kept your Presidential Pardon secret? Did you know that you are the only person serving in Congress with a Presidential pardon?
· Was Colonel Hopper accurate when he accused you of providing flight paths and altitude information to North Vietnamese gunners, to help them shoot down American planes?
· Are you aware that Colonel Ted Guy was in the process of preparing treason charges against you when you received your presidential pardon?
· Why did you work to end all POW inquires? Why are you referred to as the Manchurian Candidate by POW/MIA groups?
As Gordon Duff, senior editor of VT, says to McCain: “If you want veterans to support you, please have all your records declassified and let us see the truth.”
When does Upstate New York get to vote?
Stuff that up your pipe and smoke it, Mario's little bastard.
From all those peeps who should not be included in "your" Empire State.
good for them . next will be the rest of the ukraine. russian bear tired of u.s. bullshit. ha ha not a f ing thing u.s. can do about it.
I Would be very interested if Vlad were to snatch a few of the main agitators in Kiev.
Some of these people weren't in it because of their love for Ukraine, they were there because they were being paid to be there.
Put under enough pressure I'm sure they will reveal their paymasters and then Putin will have a new hobby for a few weeks.
It seems like it could be first class entertainment especially making fools of TPTB and MSM.
I have just seen an interview on TV of the newly installed leader in Kiev.
My immediate reaction on both seeing and hearing him was that he looks and sounds exactly like the Gestapo we see in WW2 films.
He who has 93% APPROVAL, throw the first stone.
I know,most of you dont speak or understand russian,but you still can catch whats goin on,watching
http://pro-tv.net/4-vesti.html
as you know,some russian tv and part of the "free"press in Russia are on payroll by Soros.
yeah they project it will take 3 years to build a 4 km bridge from Russia to Crimea (near Kerch city)
the amount of non-state media that is in the hands of billionaires, mostly Jewish, in both ukraine and russia is breath taking - yet it remains a complete unstory in the US, which of course has something like 90% of media, certainly all major media, owned by just 6 mega corporations.
Which is why the internet is not going to be allowed to remain how it is now. And it will be the usual suspects, leading the charge, as they have with absurd, anti-gun efforts.
For the childrens.
And freedumbs.
Imperial Zionist elitist, globalist sociopaths, who want to tell others how to live, I'd say.
As opposed to the kind of Domestic Zionists who just want to be left the hell alone, to live a quiet life. Like any Prepper or libertarian would want to.
The heavy tread of John McCain has been on the ground in Ukraine and it has been literally a campaign for Western takeover by America’s neo-cons.
And, now, guess who’s next to jump into the affairs of this sovereign country: Abe Foxman. It’s not difficult to connect these dots. . . neo-cons, bankers, John McCain, Abe Foxman. In short, it is the role of the international bankers and the Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine to retain their control of business and media.
Foxman appears on the scene because some of the new political actors are allegedly anti-Jewish (translated by the world press as Nazis).
Perhaps what is really happening is that the coup and military takeover of the elected Kiev government is instituted by a banker cartel that needs Ukraine for its world government expansion. In this, its primary roadblock is Mother Russia and the Russian speaking people all throughout Eastern Ukraine, and a complication is a nascent national movement called Svoboda (translated Freedom). Perhaps the toadies who have taken over the government in Kiev are less anti-Semitic than they are anti-Russian.
Yet, after a century-long struggle for Ukrainian nationalism and free expression in a environment long dominated by Soviet and Jewish Bolshevism, Ukrainian nationalism with its anti-Bolshevism stance is now to be stamped out again.
Unfortunately, communism in Ukraine was and has been utterly dominated by Jews along with major sectors of the economy.
Andrew Joyce writes this month that “despite the ambiguous nature of the nationalist coalition , Abraham Foxman, still lingering at ADL headquarters and still apoplectic at any sign of nationalism among Whites, recently took to the pages of the Huffington Post to assert that ‘the Ukrainian Jewish community is nervous,’ and urged the new government to “reassure” Ukrainian Jews….”
It’s obvious that Western Ukraine’s new government, as in America, is being operated at the pleasure of Jewish oligarchs and the IMF, yet, writes Joyce, as “Svoboda has a strong conception of Ukraine as a nation founded on ethnicity, and in the last elections took 10% of the vote, for this crime alone, last year the World Jewish Congress called on the EU to ban the party…”
Concludes Joyce in his article, “Nationalists, Jews and the Ukrainian Crisis: Some Historical Perspective”:
“Despite Foxman’s cringe-worthy bleatings about Svoboda and the legacy of Stepan Bandera, the position of Jews in Ukraine is probably very secure, despite what could be considered reasonable grounds for anti-Jewish attitudes among the Ukrainian population. In addition to the rich historical context… Betsy Gidwitz, at the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, points out the ‘disproportionately large role of Jewish oligarchs in Russian and Ukrainian economies,’ that ‘several Jews and half-Jews were prominent figures in the bank collapse and subsequent economic crises of the late 1990s,’ and that Ukraine’s richest man is Jewish Viktor Pinchuk who ‘was denounced by many of his compatriots as a robber baron who used his personal connections to snap up some of the most valuable assets in Ukraine for a song during the post-Soviet privatization wave while millions of his countrymen struggled to make ends meet.’”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/03/nationalists-jews-and-the-ukrainian-crisis-some-historical-perspective/
I saw your link and the Video source is PRO TV, they have this brand all over eastern Europe here is who owns it, none other than president of World Jewish Congress Ronald Lauder
http://www.cetv-net.com/en/about-cme/ronald-s-lauder.shtml
http://www.cetv-net.com/en/about-cme/company-overview.shtml
and the page you put up has links to sky tv a rupert murdoch enterprise, I think I prefer RT or Pravda or VoiceOfRussia to these Jew Mafiosos
If you click the down arrow at the top where the tv stations are listed you will see pro tv pop up.
The only thing PRO is PRO World Jewish Congress propaganda. No thank you !!!!
Much has been written in the last week about Jewish media moguls influencing the Ukraine story. Here are a few interesting excerpts from the resume of Ronald Lauder, son of the late Joseph and Estée Lauder, founders of Estée Lauder, Inc., taken from the resume he prepared from the links you provided valkir regarding PRO-TV:
CME was founded by Ronald Lauder in 1994 with the launch of TV Nova in the Czech Republic.
Ronald Lauder was a Republican/Conservative contender for Mayor of New York City in 1989.
International businessman and President of the Jewish National Fund, Ronald S. Lauder combines a deep commitment to his heritage with an innovative network of business enterprises in a mosaic of philanthropic and professional endeavors that reaches around the world.
He is Chairman and primary stockholder of Central European Media Enterprises Ltd., investing in and operating broadcast television in Eastern and Central Europe. The company is now a leading television broadcaster with stations reaching 97 million people in seven countries.
Ronald’s broad background includes extensive experience in European affairs that stretches from public service to his family’s Austro-Hungarian heritage. His dedication was clearly on display during his tenure as United States Ambassador to Austria.
His experience in Austria heightened Ronald’s appreciation for his Jewish heritage and forged his commitment to help revitalize Jewish life across Eastern and Central European communities that had been devastated by the Holocaust. Upon his return from Vienna in 1987, he established The Ronald S. Lauder Foundation. With Ronald’s leadership as President, the Foundation has focused on Jewish education and community outreach programs. Today the Foundation supports Jewish schools, camps and community centers in Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovak Republic and Ukraine.
Former Chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Ronald’s commitment to Jewish communal life is further reflected through his leadership as Chairman of the International Public Committee of the World Jewish Restitution Organization and President of the World Jewish Congress. He also serves as Chairman of the Jewish Heritage Council; Director of the International Board of Governors of the International Society for Yad Vashem; member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, member of the Board of Directors of the Jewish Theological Seminary; member of the Board of Directors of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee; member of the Board of Trustees of the Anti-Defamation League Foundation; member of the Board of Trustees of The Abraham Fund; Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Sakharov Archives at Brandeis University and member of the International Board of Governors of the Tel Aviv Museum….
Prior to his appointment to the Pentagon in 1983, he was Executive Vice President of Estée Lauder Inc., the world’s largest privately-owned cosmetic company, and Chairman of Estée Lauder International, Inc. His business career began when he joined the Estée Lauder International Division in Belgium in 1964. He is currently Chairman and President of Lauder Investments, Inc., Chairman of Estée Lauder International, Inc., and Chairman of Clinique Laboratories, Inc.
Yep flowery talk for Vampire Squid Member using Media and NGOs to bribe politicians and influence elections for the Benefit of the TRIBE
can Illinois have a vote to join Michigan? It may bring our taxes down some??? Who benefits the collapse of Russian currency? Does Soros hold a short position. Sorry,,,,, just thinking out loud.
As a Michiganian, I would rather that Detroit vote to join Illinois.
I would rather see Detroit vote to join Russia - it has been run like a communist country.
Cri me a river ...
The White House says Sunday's referendum on succession is contrary to Ukraine's constitution.
It's just too bad OUR constitution doesn't matter as much to these idiots.
Vlad should send 5 Billion Euros to Venice and start supporting the democratic process there. I also wish to see Vlad more often in Venice and shake hands with the local independence leaders and promise them to support them in case Italy gets to make funny moves.
What would the West think??? Just wondering...
A survey conducted by France’s IFOP polling agency for the Le Figaro daily shows that more than 71 percent of respondents in France do not want to see Ukraine in the EU and 29 percent wouldn’t mind if it happened.
Only 36 percent of those interviewed approve financial aid to Ukraine, while 64 percent oppose it.
In Germany, 62 percent of the respondents are against Ukraine’s accession to the EU and 57 percent are against financial aid.
Western model of democracy does not provide for people's opinion as a factor worthy of attention.
You 've ben generous, the Greeks will do for less as well as the Catalonians. From reading Greek websites from the Virulent pro Golden Dawn supportes to the already anti-EU they are ALL pro Putin, as a matter of fact they think he is PUSSYFOOTING lol..
As the 5 Star Movement Italians, are sick to the back teeth with the antics of the Establisment that itself has commited a Coup de Etat.
What did I miss?