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Malaysian Airlines Flight 370: The Complete Timeline And Infographic

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With Malaysian authorities frustrated (and seemingly confused),  and US and Chinese government offering "help" to solve this increasingly mysterious disappearance of the Boeing 777-200ER over a week ago, we thought a quick summation of all that we know would be useful. The possibilities remain numerous but it appears the latest line of investigation is the pane vanished through "deliberate action" with the airline pilots coming under increasing scrutiny.

 

 

SATURDAY

7.24am: Malaysia Airlines confirms a jet lost contact with Subang air traffic control at 2.40am after it took off from Kuala Lumpur

10.30am: Families waiting at Beijing airport are told passengers will not arrive

By night: International rescue effort is under way. Two passengers used passports - one Austrian, one Italian - reported stolen in Thailand. Airline does not rule out terrorism

 

SUNDAY

2am: Airline says it last heard from MH370 at 1.30am, not 2.40am

2.43am: Airline chief executive makes first public statement

Noon: Hong Kong Immigration Department confirms 45-year-old local woman was on board

 

MONDAY

The largest rescue flotilla in Chinese naval history - four warships and five civilian and commercial vessels - speeds overnight to waters between Malaysia and Vietnam. Ten Chinese satellites join the hunt

Night: Airline announces it will give 31,000 yuan (HK$39,200) to relatives of each passenger as a special condolence payment

 

TUESDAY

Two senior Malaysian military officials say missing jet flew for an hour off its flight course and at a lower altitude after disappearing from civil aviation radar, partly explaining why Malaysia expanded search area to include Strait of Malacca two days earlier.

3pm: Malaysian police say one of two passengers using a stolen passport is an Iranian teenager, and release photos of both

 

WEDNESDAY

Beijing slams Malaysia's "pretty chaotic" and conflicting information as Kuala Lumpur officials fail to pinpoint the plane's last known whereabouts.

Malaysian media report the government has invited a witch doctor to help look for the plane by using a magic carpet, two coconuts and a wooden stick.

 

THURSDAY

Malaysian military confirms spotting an unidentified aircraft on its radar about 1 hour and 20 minutes after MH370's signal went cold. Airline says it has not been determined if that was the missing jet.

Malaysian authorities vow to banish witch doctor if he again carries out a ritual at the country's main airport after the scene draws ridicule around the world.

 

FRIDAY

Investigators are increasingly certain the jet turned back across the Malay Peninsula after losing communication.

International search expands westwards towards Indian Ocean.

 

YESTERDAY

Search narrows to two air corridors as Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak confirms plane kept flying after it "vanished". Officials also confirm the jet's disappearance was a "deliberate act".

 

 

And more on the "deliberate action" from WSJ,

Malaysian police are examining the home flight simulator of the pilot of Malaysia Airlines  Flight 370 in a closer focus on the plane's crew amid suspicion that the aircraft disappeared because of foul play.

 

The homes and of Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid were searched by police Saturday and investigators spoke to the pilot's family, the Malaysian Transport Ministry said in a statement.

 

The searches came as Prime Minister Najib Razak had said that he believes that the plane vanished through "deliberate action'' on March 8, when it disappeared with 239 people on board on a flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing.

 

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The disappearance of Flight 370 has baffled investigators for more than a week, but Mr. Najib's comments have appeared to corroborate the analysis of U.S. investigators, which determined that one or more people on the plane deliberately changed its course and tried to mask its location.

 

Malaysia's leader says communications systems on Flight 370 were cut off by "deliberate action." U.S. officials are investigating whether a third system, on the plane's lower deck, was also compromised. WSJ's Jason Bellini explains.

 

Colleagues have described Capt. Zaharie as an aviation enthusiast who loved to fly and built a flight simulator at home.

 

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The Transport Ministry statement said that Malaysia was treating both search corridors with "equal importance'' and is asking countries to provide further assistance in the search for the Boeing BA +1.00%  777-200, including satellite data and analysis, ground-search capabilities, radar data and maritime air assets, and how best to deploy them.

 

Malaysian officials have contacted countries along the corridors including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia and France, the statement said.

 

 

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Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:19 | 4554805 DirkDiggler11
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They certainly picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue ...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:54 | 4554895 observer007
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Diego Garcia??

 

Malaysian authorities on Sunday examined a flight simulator that was confiscated from the home of one of the missing jetliner's pilots and asked governments to divulge sensitive radar data, warning that without it locating

Rumours: MH370 landed on Diego Garcia - Indian Ocean, US-military-base -

Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein has refuted claims that MH370 had landed at the United States military base Diego Garcia located in the Indian Ocean.

you bet?

Last news:

http://tersee.com/#!q=Malaysia+Airlines&t=text

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:57 | 4555391 DutchR
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Not much news on this:  Oil Rig Worker: 'I Saw the Malaysia Airlines Plane Come Down'

globalnews.ca/news/1202910/oil-rig-worker-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-go-down-report/

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:06 | 4556085 zerozulu
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Time for another Snowden II to come out.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:21 | 4556955 12ToothAssassin
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What about the 1000 lbs of "Lithium" on the cargo manifest? What if it wasnt Lithium? There are over 500 landing strips in range of the flights last known location where it could have easily landed. This was an inside job, the transponders disabled and quietly landing elsewhere. SOMEONE knows exactly where it is and what happened, Im guessing the pentagon is on that list of in the know since they track EVERYTHING above and below water too.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:19 | 4557265 mjcOH1
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"Rumours: MH370 landed on Diego Garcia - Indian Ocean, US-military-base -

Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein has refuted claims that MH370 had landed at the United States military base Diego Garcia located in the Indian Ocean."

 

Ah yes.   Forced down by the Hawkmen.  Footage at 11....

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81175156/

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:23 | 4557276 zionhead
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Funny the west is feed itself just on rumors and ASIAN TV is saying the plane is in KAZAHKSTAN.

The west is generating mega rumors, and ASIA is telling one version of the story.

Whom to believe?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 01:51 | 4557471 12ToothAssassin
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The most telling part of this particular Op is that the disinformation to information ratio is *far* outside of the sta ratio.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 04:55 | 4557613 svayambhu108
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Is Diego Garcia on the red line ?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 02:17 | 4557492 jsgibson
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The shiny stuff was project azorianed, days before any flight path data was released.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:24 | 4557137 Groundhog Day
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Its a plane jacking....these planes are worth billions...sell the fucker for parts

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 01:48 | 4557469 12ToothAssassin
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170 million. Even so, each and every part is serialized down to the nut and bolt for lifespan tracking. Its much MUCH harder than you think to just "chop shop" an airplane. That particular theory doesnt have legs.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:14 | 4556341 valley chick
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Yeah, and today they come out with"news" that the pilot's wife and kids moved out the day before the flight.  Now either they are writing the script as they go or these are the most inept investigators ever.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:02 | 4556904 BraveSirRobin
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Bush did it!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:15 | 4555737 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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A couple of things bug me still (well, actually a lot, but I'll start with these):

1. Once a plane has lost radar contact, how long before it's considered an issue? Certainly once it's diverted course, you'd think Malaysia would've scrambled jets or raised an alert to neighboring countries.

2. Why is there even an option to turn off the transponder? Seems to me that would only invite issues.

3. I just can't live with the pilot suicide meme at all.

4. Super-double-extraordinary rendition also seems a bit lame. It's a hell of a lot of work to make a plausible cover from this basis.

If it was the Chinese, Iranians or the Russkies, or whoever's the evil empire this week, as responsible for this disappearance we (the US) would've screamed bloody murder. The "major powers", i.e. China and the US seem rather "coordinated" in their news output, so I'd reckon there's either something neither of them wants to talk about, or that there are in fact many gaps in radar and tracking coverage that someone can exploit, which they'd also prefer not to mention. I suppose the scarier prospect is that the plane really disappeared as the result of other actors not aligned to existing power structures, and that the existing powers could not alter the result.

In the end, I fully expect that some wreckage will be found, because we really love Hollywood closure on a story. To that end, I bet it's some salted evidence to get those affected to shut up about it. Especially if there's no open inspection of bits found.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:03 | 4555790 sgt_doom
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Being a lifelong activist, and with a background in aviation (USAF) and military technical intelligence (USMC/NSG) I will attempt to seriously answer your questions.

First, the transponder is digital in nature, and as with most things digital, the way to clear up the mundane problems is to recycle it, or reboot it as we Westerners say.  Also, in case of emergencies there are several scenarios where it might be necessary.

Jets weren't scrambled as no emergency indication was given or announced, as soon as the jet left Malaysian airspace, Capt. Shah, the mastermind of this criminal event (at least on the aviation side), shut off the transponders, and the military would disregard any commercial flight, unless their military personnel were on board.  Period!

You are correct on the pilot-suicide meme, in Amerika, for the past 9 days, we have been subjected to the ultimate DUMB newsy show, with not a single lazy butt newsy ever asking the obvious question:

WHAT WAS THE CARGO ABOARD THE PLANE, AND WHO SPECIFICALLY WERE THOSE PASSENGERS!

This was the Great Malaysian Air Heist!

End of story.

Just as with the Great Train Robbery, it was masterfully planned, and right now that plane is sitting on the ground somewhere, either well-hidden or not yet searched because the doofuses have been concentrating on the oceans, with Capt. Shah long gone, probably with some sort of surgical or physical disguise by this time.

Either the senior pilot was a lone operator (and it is a possibility, as he is most technically super-sharp) or he was in cahoots with a criminal organization, most probably the Triads.

Either way, it would unusual if any passengers survived.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 20:47 | 4556832 BraveSirRobin
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Another possibility I have not seen - the aircraft is commadeered in the air, and some time thereafter, there is a struggle for control which ends up with the plane crashing into the sea or being destroyed in the air thousands of miles off course. 

No one will claim credit for a bothced hi-jacking, especially if it was a criminal act for ransom or to steal cargo. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:34 | 4557170 zionhead
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Kazahkstan, funny why would the WEST want to lie about where the plane is, and the East tell the truth.

The media here is quite clear the plane took off, then once east of Malaysia, went north over Phuket, stayed low over Myanmar which has no tracking, and stayed far south of Tibet into Kazahkstan.

*

The USA media has been telling various story's and people must be sick of even hearing about it, but in CHINA people are furious.

I expect to see massive CHINESE troops deployed to KAZAHKSTAN ASAP to get the hostages, ...

Now I ask ZH readers what is there in KAZAHSTAN that the CIA/CHINESE  and Russians may want to fight about?

When I say CIA I mean "ZIO-MOSSAD".

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:47 | 4555854 DaveA
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Why is there even an option to turn off the transponder?

Until the tower clears you for takeoff, you must wait behind the runway's hold-short line with your transponder switched off. If an approaching plane has TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system) it will sound an alarm and distract the pilot.

Only planes in the air or occupying an active runway should have their transponders on.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:54 | 4554899 TerminalDebt
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climb to 45,000ft and shut off oxygen to passengers, cell phones useless if everyone dead. Attempt to fly at 45K ft for longer distance, can't do it for whatever reason, plane drops to 23K ft, climb to 30Kft and go to alternate destination.

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:07 | 4555912 sgt_doom
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Close, TerminalDebt, but not quite.

Climb to 45,000 feet, after having first disabled the emergency oxygen mask sensor, and tell the pax they can unfasten their seat belts if not already. 

In an oxygen-depleted environment, if any still alive, quickly drop thousands of feet to snap their necks and backs.

Say good bye to the unfortunate souls onboard.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:05 | 4554934 Dave
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Now that's funny.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:30 | 4557158 zionhead
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China TV reporting 24/7 here that the missing plane is a 'CIA hangar in Kazahkstan'.

Compare that  to the news that CNN is feeding you.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 08:17 | 4557855 YuShun
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What channel(s) do you claim to be watching?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 08:18 | 4557859 YuShun
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dup

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:49 | 4554896 Harry Dong
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Link of the week. Priceless.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:36 | 4555292 w00dmann
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That humor is a bit cold if you ask me.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:21 | 4555754 robertocarlos
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It's not funny iether.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:40 | 4557018 blindman
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and removed.
why can't they locate the cell phones from a
passenger or two? of course they can and
that means they know exactly where the plane
is.
no?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:25 | 4554819 Harry Dong
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langoliers got em

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:26 | 4554821 Yardfarmer
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Leuren Moret: Flight 370 downing was U.S. Navy Energy weapons demo for Putin; Rothschild patent scam; Payback for Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal verdicts vs. Israel, US and UK
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceins...

http://youtu.be/aUgWhUkkzr4

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:23 | 4554994 observer007
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Passenger List Of MH370

 

To whom it may concern:

Full passenger manifest of MH370 (passenger and crew members):

http://homment.com/mh370-passenger-list

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:30 | 4555254 Thought Processor
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This is an ongoing covert operation.   The fingerprints are everywhere.  

 

1) The timing of the sign off and last communication are key here.   Odds of this not being coordinated are very slim.   Also hearing that all cell phone usage was made innoperable in the entire Spratly Islands at this exact same time.   Coincidence?  Not very likely.

2)  The plane was obviously flying for some time after last communication.   It made several very distint moves.  It was being taken somewhere under control.

3)  There is a commercial radar void in the indian ocean where there are a couple of islands the plane could have landed and refueled without anyone knowing.  Diego Garcia is one, the Cocos island is another.  Both have a runway large enough and the facilities to handle this with ease.  Diego Garcia is a large special ops installation.  The plane looks to have had enough fuel to get to either.  It could have then been refueled and turned around quickly, re-tagged as a military flight and put back into the air to virtually any remote landing area with ease (at night this would be easy).

4)  Military radar and sat imaging / surveilence likely has all the needed info on this.  But is not being released for some reason.

5)  Flight to some remote part of China or border with China is possible though much more difficult.  Odds on this are not very good.

Stick to the key points.  Lots of disinfo being released also it seems.  

Keep in mind that something like 98% of all 'terrorism' is state sponsored in some way.  

 

Only question is which state.

 

 

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:39 | 4555308 Ban KKiller
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Yeah, well I really am interested in the questions being posed.  Everyone has an answer, sort of. 

Who benefits? Who loses? How does the money come into the question?

Long TP and .22 LR as if... 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:41 | 4555610 Troll Magnet
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My money's on Israel. Then the U.S. close second.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:18 | 4555951 sgt_doom
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Whenever the Blackstone Group and Carlyle Group are involved (owners of Freescale Semiconductor) money is always the question.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:11 | 4557039 Thought Processor
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How about world domination.  

 

This plane may be used as a tool in the future.  It is likely for a Psy-Op of some sort (my opinion).

This is a TWO part Operation.  Part 1 is complete.  Part 2 is yet to come.

 

Let me give a small example:

 

Imagine for a moment that a couple major cities at some point in the future get warnings about potential airlines being used as weapons (original huh.....).   Let's say for the sake of argument that London, Tel Aviv, Moscow and Washington DC receive warnings.

Now each of these cities has a major international airport close to it.  Let's take Moscow for instance-  Moscow Int. Airport is only several minutes (flying time) outside of Moscow.  Easily under 5 minutes, maybe inder 2 at the right speed.

Now let's say Moscow receives several warnings about a possible terrorist attack on Moscow using airplanes.   These are public warnings..... (for a reason).

Moscow then announces that any aircraft that stray within such and such a distance of Moscow will be shot down.  

Everything simple so far, right.

Now imagine that you are a clandestine intelligence agency from some as of yet unknown state.  And you really want to screw with the kremlin / Putin (and the public at large of course).  

So what do you do?

You fuck with them, that's what you do.  You 'intervene' in a couple of normal legit flights (which just happen to be 777's also) by remoting them without the pilot / crews knowledge.  Shut down one engine, spring false alarms on the plane, screw with their instrument data, whatever.  These 'interventions' force the flights to depart from their normal flight plans and into Moscow airspace.  

After crossing into Moscow airspace and after warning the pilots (who either do not respond or who try but communications are garbled) Moscow's anti-aircraft protection system is activated and the jetliner is shot down.

Subsequently the flight is determined to be a legitimate airline flight that was almost fully filled and close to 300 some odd innocent people have been killed as well as some on the ground.  Now imagine more than one legitimate flight is taken down in a short span of time due to utter confusion in Moscow defense services.  They've essentially been duped to think that legit flights are flying bombs.

Moscow now has a PR nightmare on it's hands.  Plus travel via plane to Russian cities immediately dries up.  Western governments begin to villianize the Kremlin pushing world wide public opinion in one direction-  against Russia.

Now take it one step further-  After Russia is thoroughly trashed in the world wide media are they likely to shoot down a real flying missile?  Within a 2-3 minute window?

Their defenses have thus been weakened without a shot fired, or an asset used.  Simple Psychological warfare.

This is a classic Psy-Op.  It messes with your mind.  It makes you think the opposite of what you should think.  As in "Who's the bad guy now?"

Only clandestine intelligence agencies are capable of organizing this on this level.  To do it right would require the cooperation of news agencies worldwide at a high level in order to push the "Crime against Humanity" aspect to it's highest level.  A subtle touch, pressing the right buttons can be quite effective.

This can be taken much further but that's enough suspense novel writing for one night.

 

Food for thought though huh?

 

 

 

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:36 | 4555589 A Nanny Moose
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Length may not be so much of an issue as depth. Is the Coco's runway thick enough to bear the weight of a 777? Are the taxiways wide enough? Then where do you hide it, assuming it stayed there for any length of time?

I remain uncovinced about the Cocos.

It's all just monday AM quarterbacking anyway.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:58 | 4555672 New World Chaos
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The next false-flag nuke will be delivered by flight 370.  Ukraine?  China?  America, if it starts waking up?

Could pick up the nuke from the terrorist base at Diego Garcia and nobody would ever know.

The plane certainly won't be scrapped for parts.  That fate is reserved for the passengers.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/13/missing-777-or-flying-bomb/

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:52 | 4555868 walküre
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Very elaborate. What should the high stakes goal have been with this manover attracting global attention?

Maybe this act in the show called "life as we know it under the thumbs of the elite" was designed to putting the world in a complete state of fear and shock, worse than terrorism itself could have done it. Who is interested to go flying anywhere now?

Are we there yet?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:02 | 4555893 dizzyfingers
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walküre "Who is interested to go flying anywhere now?"

Stopped flying after 9/11.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:16 | 4555944 sgt_doom
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Negative, overwhelming probability suggests the question is:

What was the cargo onboard, meaning its value, and who specifically where those passengers?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 03:00 | 4557534 trader1
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what gives you meaning in life?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:28 | 4554828 Colonel Klink
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Seems to me information has been trickling out which was already known prior.  Something smells fishy about this whole thing.  Another false flag to incite war.  It will magically be found in Iran, Syria, Pakistan, or whatever other nation we need to invade for the gold, black or otherwise.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:29 | 4554836 Berspankme
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more time passes the better to corroborate their story. It smells like a fishy

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 19:52 | 4556679 andrewp111
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It will probably get its transponder gimmiked to mimic another plane, fly into some flight corridor, and explode a nuclear bomb over some target.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:28 | 4554831 Berspankme
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I'm betting on the witch doctor

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:31 | 4554840 LetThemEatRand
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  1. Dr. Rumack:  Captain, how soon can we land?
  2. Captain:  I can't tell
  3. Rumack:  You can tell me, I'm a doctor.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:55 | 4554911 Ignatius
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Old Lenny Bruce bit:

Captain:  "Navigator, where are we?"

Nav:  "Uh, I don't know."

Captain:  "Don't give me that existential  bullshit!"

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:32 | 4554846 Híppos Purrós
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HeadsUp, Tyler et al...  you might want to consider adding this gem to your infographic:

[AlArabiya] -MH370 pilot waves meat cleaver in viral photo

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/03/16/MH370-captain-waves-meat...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:42 | 4554862 billwilson
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So does anyone in an Asian kitchen .... actually everyone has a cleaver! It is the best way to cut meat and veg for asian food. His is actually a lot smaller than mine.

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:50 | 4554900 Quus Ant
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So you admit you are a terrorist.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:41 | 4554875 Quus Ant
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The guy is chopping meat enthusiastically in his kitchen.  Obviously a psycho. 

SEriously, this is getting ridiculous.  The guy has been flying with Malaysian Airlines since 1981-

Now THAT is a sleeper cell. 

A major player pulled some shennanigans, the other players know it and they can't agree on a story. 

I hope they can find a better patsy than the 53 year old carnivore.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:40 | 4555063 RaceToTheBottom
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Outlaw meat cleavers...

Better yet outlaw kitchens

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:44 | 4555621 Troll Magnet
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Outlaw pilots!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:35 | 4554852 billwilson
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Questions:

If we have the arc from the last ping and the pings are 1 hour apart, why have we not been given the previous 6-7 ping arcs. This alone would give a nice view of where the plane may have headed. This could also give us speed and possibly when the plane landed (if it did ) if for example pings last and second last were from the same location.

Again using the ping arcs one could potentially see the track the pilot was taking, and whether it was a regular route or a random route.

Would love to see the other ping arcs.

 

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 20:54 | 4556867 BraveSirRobin
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Yep

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:56 | 4557062 Thought Processor
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This is one of the points that lends evidence to it being an Op of some sort.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:40 | 4554855 bigkahuna
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pilot/copilot/hijacker flies above 45k feet for long enough, asphysiates everyone but himself - lands plane on landing strip next to pre-dug trench where bodies are disposed of - takes bounty for bringing the plane to whoever is paying - then either disappears or is executed himself.

The only problems are that there are only so many runways around known or unknown that can handle a 777 and how do you disable the emergency oxygen system on the plane?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:45 | 4554886 Keyser
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At triple 7 can be landed on as little as 3500' of runway. A cargo net thrown over it and it's all but invisible. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:11 | 4554959 Dave
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Not in one piece.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:21 | 4556367 RafterManFMJ
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If all you're worried about is gold bars in the cargo hold, who cares if you can fly it out again?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:29 | 4557003 12ToothAssassin
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1000 lbs of gold bars is worth less than the plane itself

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 19:50 | 4556674 andrewp111
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There are probably plenty of deserted highways that could have been used as landing strips at the wee hours of the morning. Obviously, help on the ground would have been needed to ensure the highway was empty, etc..., but so what?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 20:13 | 4556736 bigkahuna
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possible landing sites could be used to narrow down the flight path - hopefully they find all the passengers alive (I hope I'm wrong about the pilot murdering them.)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:41 | 4554876 billwilson
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Unfortunately after the climb to 45K and then the drop - either passengers are incapacitated or they know obviously something is wrong (not sure how you would keep 200+ folks under control if they knew plane was being hijacked, esp after 9/11) and were unable to do anything for 7 hours... which implies - they were probably incapcitated.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:46 | 4555341 Kirk2NCC1701
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45,000 Feet?  Captain, the engines won't take it!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:34 | 4556419 Osmium
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Scotty ...you're my chief engineer.You know everything about that ship there is to know. If you can't get those warp engines working ...you're fired.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:43 | 4554880 CheapBastard
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very thorough...thnx

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:51 | 4554902 acrabbe
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Reposted from previous Flight 370 article here on ZH, but i just got to that thread and it seems to have already died...

I must say that I'm disappointed and actually a little shocked that so few of my fellow ZH veterans realize that this was a covert operation utilizing an AWACS radar system to block the signal from civilian radr, hijack the plane using planted operatives and the redirect for landing. The 20 Semiconductor employees are probably being waterboarded as we speak. As for the rest of the passengers? Many explanations are possible. Anything from summarily disposed of in true covert ops "cover your ass" fashion or simply that the manifest had dummy names, many of the actual passengers were assets and not regular people, etc. Since it was a covert ops, the truth will NEVER come out, even if it's totally exposed, just like 9/11.

Malaysian military had radar tracking of the plane for over an hour after civilian radar lost contact. Black boxes CANNOT be destroyed in explosions. Radar exists to track planes in flight rEGARDLESS or transponder activity. This is why rogue civilain aircraft are trackable, which reasons why a jumbo jet would NEVER be lost on radar unless there was sophisticated sabotage and spoofing. Google "AWACS hijack flight 370" to get the deets on why an AWACS hijacking it the ONLY plausible explanation based on technical knowledge of civilian/military radar systems and air traffic control protocols...

I thought this was Fight Club, not a fucking Mickey Mouse Club daycare... Amateur Hour. What does this mean? ZH forum has been hijacked by .gov trolls and idiots? Really. Where is the fucking brainpower?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:58 | 4554918 Payne
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it is clear that you do not have any experience but reading Popular Mechanics, just doesn't work that way.  AWAC jamming shows up as white noise on radar.  Very obvious.

Sound cancellation is possible with radar but you do not need it.  Over the ocean at 2000 feet you are lost in the ground clutter unless that fly directly over station and the station will only have a range of 30-40 miles out to maybe 5000 ft agl.  

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:13 | 4554966 acrabbe
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admittedly i am no aviation expert, but the signal was lost at tens of thousands of feet. AWACS jamming showing up as white noise... weren't there reports of interference? If there was evidence of AWACS jamming would the intelligence-controlled "free" press be reproting that? or would they be gagged on grounds of national security?

Again. Google the awacs theory, there are peple with a hell of alot more aviation experience than me giving plausible accounts of a covert opp based on all the concrete facts we know about this flight. To rule out AWACS by default is suspicious. Besides, AWACS is in a constant state of R&D and redeployment. Who's to say they used awacs? maybe advanced tech on an awacs-based platform. Covert ops are known to use advanced yet to be released tech. So if you are looking for fingerprints of outdated awacs activity they simply won't be there...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:53 | 4555118 Payne
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thunder storm look a lot like jamming, where do you think we got the idea.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:27 | 4554991 Element
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"Radar exists to track planes in flight rEGARDLESS or transponder activity."

Completely false.

For instance (and note that this was way back in 2007, and discussing the situation that already existed prior to its writing):

"AIR ROUTE SURVEILLANCE RADAR
The long-range radar equipment used in controlled airspace to manage traffic is the air route surveillance radar (ARSR) system. There are approximately 100 ARSR facilities to relay traffic information to radar controllers throughout the country. Some of these facilities can detect only transponder-equipped aircraft and are referred to as beacon-only sites. Each air route surveillance radar site can monitor aircraft flying within a 200-mile of the antenna radius [i.e. same as ACARS line of sight transmission range to a ground station receiver] ..." - FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook - 2007, p26, section 1-17.

So beyond ~200 nautical miles of coast forget about civil radar returns at any altitude.

And even within that 200 nautical mile radius there are transponder beacon only systems that have ZERO physical radar pinging, and rely entirely on the transponder data broadcast. Well it's now 7 years later and this beacon only system is rapidly spreading all over the world, and the earliest version of Mode-S transponder encoding, that airline ADS-C is based on, has only been in airliners since 1982.

Another revealing quote from the FAA in 2007:

"... Radars are expensive to maintain, and position information interpolated from radars is not as good as what the aircraft can obtain with SATNAV. ADS-B technology may provide the way to reduce the costs of surveillance for air traffic management purposes and to get the better position information to the ground. ..." - FAA Instrument Procedures Handbook - 2007, p32, section 1-22.

The basic problem we have in such a discussion is the general public don't know shit about what a radar is and does and what ATC radar amounts to today, nor about airliner avionics, nor their comms system developments.

But apparently it's all zh's damned fault again, as the brainiacs have flown the coop, and been replaced with all these limp retards ... or somfing of that sort.

 

No, I didn't follow it either.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:48 | 4555097 Payne
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Yes, Civilian control is mostly digital transponders and verbal acknowlegement.  Military radar is spotty and they will not all agree to share data.  High tech is always unreliable to count on, works well in the movies, terrible on the battlefield.  This was night time, satelites rely on visual, yes they have other sensors but why would they have been employed on a routine basis.  So you are back to radar,  Aircraft popped up probably to make Oxygen masks drop automatically due to drop in pressure, that would have scarred passengers into staying in seats and given cover for manueveurs.  Aircraft would have changed direction while under known radar detection.  Then descended to below radar detection and flown to final destination.  Passengers are all prisoners until this operation is over.  They will need to change electronic signature of plane so that when they file a flight plan as a private jet there will be no tell tales.  Pakistan does make sense but so do other areas.  

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:59 | 4555138 Element
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"... but why would they have been employed on a routine basis."

Exactly, notice how some posters expect military jets and AEW to be in the air basically constantly? Like it's a constant Peter Sellers movie plot that is going on? Most air forces knock of at 5PM and go home to see the ball and chain, as do most armies, that's simply the way it is. It's only the poor bastards on the tubs and subs that are out there all the time, and not many of them either.

"Aircraft popped up probably to make Oxygen masks drop automatically due to drop in pressure"

That's not how it works, they can be manually deployed at the press of a (shielded) button. I have a good idea why that jet climbed to FL450, I'm just not going to say it, out of respect to the relatives.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:06 | 4555436 Payne
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I am only rated in the B-737 but we could control cabin pressure from the cockpit and the 02 mask drop automatically or with positive control.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:54 | 4555519 Element
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Yes, both methods, but I was responding to the thesis that it was necessary to climb to 45k to trigger their deployment, and as you can see, it isn't.

We don't know any of that happened. But if for instance I wanted to take control, without much fuss, I'd make sure the cabin did not auto-pressurize in the climb. That would seem to be the path of least resistance but the warnings are what would make it risky. The person flying may decide to make an emergency decent to 8,000 and the plan is shot. So the person flying would have to be the hijacker, to ensure it would work. But how do you then prevent the person not-flying from noticing that cabin pressurize is on manual when the warnings come up? You can turn down the audio, but there will still be a master caution light and maybe a text warning on screen.

It's not a straight forwards proposition to pull it off, sans force.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:33 | 4555795 Payne
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agreed, Looks like the PIC is majorly pissed at the Government for jailing oposition leader for 5 years.  Seems like the beginning of a coup or counter coup.  Co-pilot would not have been involved, too hard to schedule crew members on the same flt.  Probably a passenger or 2 involved.  I think we wil know within another week or so.  I think he turned back and landed in Malaysia somewhere, that is where he would have the support.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 00:44 | 4557410 Element
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Well a lot of people in Malaysia are annoyed about that (it's been going on for over ten years btw), but I don't think sympathy for a left-progressive politician, accused and jailed on sodomy and corruption charges, would be the motive for this (assuming one of the pilots actually did it, which I still find hard to believe). It smacks more of religious sentiments, or else a murder-suicide, but neither of those seem very likely either on the face of it. Basically I don;t see anything in what this co-pilot was doing that is a clincher.

None of it is making much sense as yet, and the speculation session isn't getting us far by the look of things, but thanks for sharing those thoughts Payne.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:46 | 4556020 NaN
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It has been pointed out at an airline technical site that passenger O2 only lasts long enough for an emergency descent (a few minutes), but the pilots and staff have much more O2.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 21:53 | 4557056 Ocean22
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" I have a good idea why the jet climbed"

I think they (families ) would want to know. We sure all do. Do tell!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:51 | 4555373 w00dmann
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You know, acrabbe, I don't think anybody has a problem reading about a theory someone has posted (and hey, you could be right, right?), but dissing everybody as being ".gov trolls and idiots" simply because they hadn't dreamt it up first is more than a little rich.  Tell me, Gandalf, if any part of your theory proves incorrect will you return to these boards at a later date and admit to being a fuckface?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:28 | 4555780 acrabbe
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yes. i am a fuckface. i didn't bother to read any of the comments before manking my post. all i did was search "awacs" and saw that no one had posited the awacs theory. so i went on my rant. everybody fucks up every now and then...

i guess i got a little frustrated at the fact that covert ops are being pulled off in plain sight and the fully coopted media is feeding the public bullshit and they are all swallowing it. I know that everyone around me is a zombie, but constantly being reminded of it everytime some wacko cockamimie story hits the news and is met by blank stares and drool is incredibly frustrating. yes. i behaved like a fuckface.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:12 | 4555929 phaedrus1952
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Don't be so hard on yourself, crab. I, along with a few others, brought up the remote hijacking meme early on as it was - and increasingly obviously is - the clear explanation of these seemingly anomolous events.

Think for a moment if you were involved in this covert op that has gone somewhat awry in full view of the world.  What would you do?  I think I would go all out to discredit, ridicule, and minimize any and all who bring up the obvious ... stuff like only the last "ping" being shown as opposed to the series of them.

The cyber assault may very well be visible right here in this thread when people post authoritative sounding analysis that is so bereft of common sense as well as misleading info so as to stifle ongoing, honest inquiry.

The ownership and direction of this site itself has come under increasing scrutiny these past many months as the real meat is being by passed by for the seeming faux.   When was the last time a Tyler interjected with some clarity?

Trusting your intuition, crab, may prove the most invaluable in these times of great deceit.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:15 | 4556342 nector_collecter
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When was the last time a Tyler interjected with some clarity?

 

Yipes, the site has been hacked, its phoney, run by NSW,CIA AND THE MAFIA

 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 01:07 | 4557417 Element
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You could just put up something of actual substance you know, rather than snivel like a bereft loser. You do have that option, like everyone, so don't be timid and spare us the whining out the side of your mouth routine (it's the verbal equivalent of bad posture and poor hygiene). If you can't respond with substance and just want to talk bum dribble, then I'll take great pleasure in beating the snot out of you. It'll do you good.

So whatcha got? If you do have something that would be very welcome.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:53 | 4554906 Payne
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It is not an arc but a circle of range that the satelite would be able to detect.  Aircraft probably descended to less that 5000 ft agl to avoid radar detection once is started its final direction.  Radar can be unreliable due to atmospheric conditions.  Radar signal is a bounce off of an object, ie rain clouds the computer then interprets the raw signal.  The area had thunderstorms at the time.  I remember flying out to check out a radar signature one night to find a water spout scared the crap out of us.  Aircraft might have poped up to 45,000 feet to communicate with someone just barely out of range.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:55 | 4554910 Chuck Knoblauch
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Payments made to families before the investigation begins?

Not even Kenneth Feinberg would approve that!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:08 | 4554945 AgShaman
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Kinda seems like a "giveaway"

"Here's some cash....don't expect the safe return of your relatives"

and.......Buh-bye

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:22 | 4554996 icanhasbailout
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or hush money

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:59 | 4554923 Element
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Looks like it may have been a bizarre chem-trail spraying accident:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/16/article-0-1C44BC1D00000578-138...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:01 | 4554926 LetThemEatRand
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How long before they find perfectly preserved passports somewhere? 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:19 | 4556139 sleigher
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You mean on the ground right next to the building that just exploded in a giant fireball.  I figure the passports of the people on this flight ought to be found near building 7.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:24 | 4554952 Waterfallsparkles
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I wonder what could have been on or in that plane that someone wanted smuggled out of the Country?  Gold, materials for a necular weapon, drugs.

Necular materials then it went to Iran.  Gold it probably went to India.  Drugs, hmmm, almost anywhere.

I have always had the feeling the plane did not crash.  I also have felt that it is in the north east area above Maylasia in a garage or warehouse of some sort.  Maybe the northern east coast of Thailand.  Just a hunch.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:36 | 4555289 Ban KKiller
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Yes. My question too. Has anyone disclosed the manifest? Plane goes to China. Gold has been going to China...hmmm. Rothchilds to blame no doubt.

Were the passengers given nail guns? I don't think plane crashed either. Has anyone shown the list of airports it could have landed at? Is the list too big? 

Passengers? We will know all about them shortly. I make as much sense as the MSM. Hire me to lie to you. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:18 | 4554962 Uskatex
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I believe that it was the job of just one, or at most two persons, one of them the pilot or co-pilot. He killed the other pilot inside the cabin, then switched off the transponder and the oxigen mask mechanism, put on the pilot mask and depressurized the plane, while climbing to 45.000 feet. 

Inside the plane, some people, while suffocating, managed to switch on their mobile phones, but of course were not able to call. 

Then, the airplane was flown probably along Burma, Tibet and the Gobi desert - regions where a plane at night can fly largely unnoticed. If it is true that at some times the cell phones contacted a cell, the authorities do know where the plane passed / is. But maybe it is just not true.

The reasons? I see only four possible reasons:

  • a terrorist attack using the plane as a bomb, on China separatist North-West - in this case the plane was possibly shot by PLAAF, or simply was unable to reach its target;
  • a criminal act to steal something valuable - possibly a large gold shipment on board; in this case the plane landed somewhere, probably in Central Asia;
  • the pilot gone mad - he flew for 6-7 hours thinking about what he did, then the fuel run out...
  • a secret service "inside job" - in this case, nobody can know for sure.

Just my two cents

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:12 | 4554964 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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A pilot w/ 18,000 hours who has been flying for decades, needs a simlator at home so he can practice more?

Yeah, like practicing wave hopping or tree tops in a 777.

Unless they start trotting out the Space Alien Tractor Beam theory ...

But if Zaharie was pushing buttons, who was pushing his?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:21 | 4554986 Quus Ant
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I often wonder why a car mechanic needs a workshop in his/her garage at home.

Don't they get enough cary type stuff on the job? 

They must really like those cars with their wheels and fans and gears and stuff.

 

edit:  Or maybe..........

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:50 | 4555078 Element
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It might surprise you to know that such simulators are thoroughly encouraged in aviation, both within US, Australia and Europe, firstly for initial IFR training and hand flying, and then for maintaining IFR and hand-flying and instrument scan proficiency.

Manual of Standards Part 60 - Synthetic Training Devices

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2008C00383/Download

I see nothing unusual in what that guy set up in his home, it's a pretty typical sort of PC based recurrent IFR training rig.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:55 | 4555130 Payne
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The simulator at home was for making money on the side to teach other wannabe pilots or pilots wanting to upgrade.  This guy was the US equivalent of a FAA check pilot.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:13 | 4555170 Element
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Good point, and what the public don't realize is the FAA and its regulatory equivalents in other countries, allow such simulator flight training to be logged as IFR flight hours within the pilot's flight log. This isn't just messing around in MS Flight Simulator, that guy's simulator rig is considered a professional training aid.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:15 | 4554973 dbTX
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To be sure the US, with its vast intelligence network, knows exactly where this aircraft is, however divulging this information would compromise the US's intelligence capabilities.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:44 | 4555074 madtechnician
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+1

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:21 | 4557126 Thought Processor
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Agreed.  Whether US intel. is in on it or not, they know where it is.

 

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:55 | 4555658 A Nanny Moose
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US's intelligence - contradictory terms

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:24 | 4555003 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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If NSA can listen to me type right now through my phone or my laptop, and activate the camera in my phone, and screen on my laptop, take control of said laptop, and mil radars picked this plane up flying across the Mallacca straights ... yeah, no one knows where it is ... it's a miracle, it just up and vanished, like a fart in the wind?

Aussie Radar (air force F-18s, 6 737 E7-A early warning), Thai Radar (air force F-16s, Saab Griffens), Indo Radar (F-16s, 737 early warning), Malaysian Radar (air force F-18s, Mig 29s, Sukhoi 30s) ...

These folks are not living in tents. Plus US global blah blah blah, satellites can read your newspaper through the window, blah blah blah.

Yeah, ok.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:31 | 4555025 Element
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Indo Radar (F-16s, 737 early warning)

nope, Indonesia has no AEW 737s. Though they do have a couple of Flankers.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:46 | 4555081 PR Guy
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They keep looking for debris in the sea but there's one hell of a lot of unpopulated jungle around that part of the world. Simple explanation: it crashed into the jungle during the night, hijacked or not. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:10 | 4555183 Element
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Yup, and an awful lot of it is burned back each year by farmers and plantation workers, etc. There's no guarantee a crash would be explicitly noticed, unless someone heard it happen.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:31 | 4555031 Babalooee
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Check Graigs List. Being noticing big surge in  Boeing parts in the last week. Got a great set of landing gear for super reasonable number. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:54 | 4555127 redbird
Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:05 | 4555165 I Write Code
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Maybe somebody was chasing him.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:08 | 4555173 DutchR
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Not much news on this:  Oil Rig Worker: 'I Saw the Malaysia Airlines Plane Come Down'

globalnews.ca/news/1202910/oil-rig-worker-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-go-down-report/

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:24 | 4557138 Thought Processor
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Oil Rig.  

Good thing no oil companies are tied to western Intel.

 

That said, no debris, no plane.  Area was heavily checked.  

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:10 | 4555180 PR Guy
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Alleged debris (suitcases?) Spotted in Malacca Straits. A Greek ship been asked to investigate. See www.telegraph.co.uk

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:10 | 4555181 PR Guy
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Alleged debris (suitcases?) Spotted in Malacca Straits. A Greek ship been asked to investigate. See www.telegraph.co.uk

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:26 | 4557147 Thought Processor
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Suitcases.  Those would be pretty difficult to place after the fact to make it look like the plane went down in a certain area.  No?

 

This is called 'salting' the evidence.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:12 | 4555189 SPAREPARTS
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all passengers are dead, plane landed, removed electronic singnal put it on a drone and sent it to the ends of the earth. Game over, who ever is behind this knows what they are doing and even what everybody else is doing, this is about deception and power. This isnt about gold or money

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:44 | 4555326 robertocarlos
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If the 777 landedd in Diego Garcia then the USA has 25 tonnes more gold than they had earlier meaning they now have 25 tonnes of gold.

 But what about the passengers and crew?

They have no gold.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:11 | 4555922 walküre
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25 tonnes is a hell of a lot of cargo for a B777 filled with 239 passengers/crew. Pilot knows the manifest including the cargo he's responsible for. Maybe 2 tonnes is more like it. Approximately the weight of 50 empty seats that weren't filled despite a number of unconfirmed standby passengers at the gate.

2 tonnes of gold have a market value of close to $100 million Dollars. Tempting for the pilot, isn't it?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:44 | 4556018 Non Passaran
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Yeah right, unarmed owner of 2 t of gold and no way to move it in some shithole in Asia. Good luck w that.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:06 | 4556314 robertocarlos
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Maybe he had a "boating" accident.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 18:09 | 4556325 robertocarlos
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The 25 tonnes of gold was just am internet rumour. Was the plane full?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:58 | 4555396 Carl Popper
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Pilots have the good life.  Doesn't make sense.   The young one maybe,  with the help of that electrical engineer on board who went to flight school.  

 

They wanted the plane, or whatever was in it.  

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:21 | 4555509 Payne
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Most of us pilots are Engineer dreamers.  Easy to be disillusioned over time and to take action given the corruption in Governments worldwide.  This guy did not suicide and I do not believe they would have sacrificed the passengers.  This event has world governements on edge.  

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:27 | 4555465 MollyHacker
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There are big holes in the public released info, like other pings distances. Plotting the time frame would suggest route such as, maybe, flying around Indian airspace?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:47 | 4555618 Carl Popper
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Ok. It is solved now.

Psycho captain. It figures.

Check out the details on his family life and political obsession. His family moved out a couple days earlier. He had lost everything.

Now where is the fucking plane? He was a democracy activist. No way he is allied with terrorists.

I vote southern corridor about two to three miles down on the bottom of the deep pacific. He had no intentions of being found.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:02 | 4555687 lcs
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I agree completely.  Nutball captain, plane at bottom of Java Trench 5 miles down.  Soon as I saw his photo it was clear.  The FBI would have figured this out in 2 hours.  All the chemtrail and false flag kooks can go peddle their BS somewhere else now.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:13 | 4555733 robertocarlos
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Agree as well, even though I don't understand why the pilot would care if the plane was found or not found. It probably won't be found. I hope I'm wrong and they find it. It would be good to see how he almost got away with it. Didi he lock the co-pilot out of the door or just kill him and how did he disable the passengers. Cut off their air? It's important to spend the money to find the plane because we would like to know that 777s don't just fall out of the sky.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:25 | 4555758 lcs
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They don't.  You have much more to fear from the pilot of any airplane than from the airplane itself, which is built to take more abuse than most would imagine.  Pilots, like all humans, also suffer much abuse but are not routinely inspected for mental damage, as far as I know.  The abuse of trust is the worst of all crimes.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:32 | 4555777 Carl Popper
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Criminal and or deliberate acts are often exclusions on life insurance policies.   Plus I bet he didn't want to be known as the psycho captain so he tried to hide the crash.

If he attempted a water landing and let it slowly sink then there may not be a debris field.

If it is ever found I bet it is mostly intact on the bottom.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:43 | 4555841 lcs
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Interesting theory.  It might explain why he waited for so long to ditch the plane - he was waiting for daylight which would make a water landing easier and potentially less destructive.  

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:47 | 4557168 Thought Processor
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All of the above is possible. Though there is other evidence beyond the possible control of said pilot that has been found which points in another direction.

Also keep in mind that all Ops of this nature (if it really is an Op) need a patsy.  

This guy was an activist?  Which means he may also have been making waves and pissing the wrong people off.   But then was he an activist for Democracy?  He doesn't sound like a violent extremest.

Who hates people who are pro-democracy?

 

Oh, wait I'm asking too many questions again.........

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:00 | 4555643 Carl Popper
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Find the deepest most isolated area of pacific within flight range. He took it to the bottom of the south pacific.

He suggested the copilot step out to chat with that cute girl. He had already taken the emergency crew o2 bottle in the back.

Passenger and crew non mobile O2 systems wont work above 40,000 feet. If he was up there ten minutes they were dead.

The plane was flown a bit erratically back down to 23000 feet. He was suffering a bit of hypoxia too in spite of his precautions.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:08 | 4555715 smacker
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UK MSM is reporting that the pilot spoke to ATC after ACARS was switched off.

It does begin to look like the pilot hijacked his own plane.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:51 | 4555864 Carl Popper
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Yep.   And criminal or deliberate acts are generally exclusions on life insurance policies.  Plus he didn't want to be known as the psycho pilot.  

 

Water landing.  Deep pacific.  No debris field.   I bet the plane is intact on the bottom. 

 

He flew a lot over water.  I bet he simed water landings for years just as practice, even before he decided to off himself. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:18 | 4555948 walküre
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Suicidal political activist for more democracy killing people who are victims of the undemocratic process just like himself? Doesn't seem rational without making at least a statement of it. His profile doesn't add up to that of an insane character who would abandon all his principles for the sake of committing suicide.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:47 | 4556022 Carl Popper
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His political stuff was just a sign of his obsessionality in general perhaps, but he was very angry after leaving the trial. 

 

His family had moved out.  If you have never been married for a long time with kids you may not understand how this effects people.   I had similar thoughts myself after my wife left me.  However I wasn't quite the type to do anything. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 22:00 | 4557075 Liberty2012
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Another article said they had more than one house and were not at that one very often. They probably only used that one when he was on his way to work.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 19:43 | 4556652 andrewp111
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No. It landed somewhere - on land. The passengers were undoubtedly killed by decompression at 45000 feet, and the plane is either in an hangar or covered with a tarp.  With expert help, the plane's transponders can be altered to mimic any other Boeing 777, and be quietly inserted into its doppelganger's flight path.   The plane will be used for the Glory of Allah.

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