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Putin Reiterates To Merkel That Crimean Referendum Is Legal

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More of the same. Via the Kremlin:

  • PUTIN, MERKEL DISCUSSED UKRAINE CRISIS BY PHONE, KREMLIN SAYS
  • PUTIN TELLS MERKEL RUSSIA WILL RESPECT CHOICE MADE BY CRIMEANS
  • PUTIN SAYS CONCERNED ABOUT TENSIONS IN SOUTH, EAST UKRAINE
  • PUTIN TELLS MERKEL CRIMEA REFERENDUM ON JOINING RUSSIA IS LEGAL

Even as the West (and NATO) continues to reject any legitimacy of the referendum.

More from Reuters:

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told Russian President Vladimir Putin more Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) observers should be sent to Ukraine, a plan he welcomed, Merkel's spokesman said on Sunday.

 

"The chancellor proposed swiftly expanding the existing OSCE presence in Ukraine and sending a bigger number of observers into hot spots, especially in East Ukraine," Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said in a statement about a phone call between the two leaders.

 

"The Russian president viewed this initiative positively. He promised he would instruct Foreign Minister (Sergei) Lavrov accordingly."

 

This should be agreed with as broad as possible support at an OSCE meeting in Vienna on Monday.

 

Merkel also condemned a Russian attempt on Saturday to try to enter a spit of land belonging to Kherson, a region adjacent to Crimea, Seibert said in the statement.

So what happens when the people vote - either in a rigged process or otherwise - to join Russia, Russia formally annexes the territory and calls the western diplomatic bluff? The answer may be provided as early as 8pm local Ukrainian time when the polls are set to close, and it will likely involve further provocations such as this one, reported moments ago by Sky News: "Interfax reports three Ukrainian military trains carrying equipment into eastern Ukraine have been intercepted by Russian forces."

 

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Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:52 | 4554559 skwid vacuous
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he actually smiles? haven't seen that on PMSNBCBSFOX ever...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:00 | 4554583 flacon
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Angela Merkel dancing in a bikini.... not kidding (you can not unwatch this):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2yjhau66lM

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:03 | 4554590 Looney
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Merkel to Putin: Wanna barter some Russian gas for German beer?  ;-)

Looney

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:37 | 4554680 Stackers
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Silly Pitin, NATO only recognizes changes in governent if they happen from coups they stage through riots

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:46 | 4554698 gmrpeabody
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"PUTIN TELLS MERKEL RUSSIA WILL RESPECT CHOICE MADE BY CRIMEANS"

Certainly explains the photo...

(hat tip to the ZH photo editor) FYI.. you owe me a keyboard.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:47 | 4554714 BaBaBouy
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OK Vlad, Lets Have A Towel Fight.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:07 | 4554769 Rubbish
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If Tyler see obese dancing, you know it's woody on.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:40 | 4554685 Lost My Shorts
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I am sure there are a lot of wide eyes in Chechnya today.  You mean you can just have a referendum and separate from the annoying country that owns you?  Who knew it was that easy !!  If Vlad plans to respect the referendum in Crimea, certainly he would respect the one in Chechnya.  And the other how many places who would vote to leave Russia if the could.  No?  Why not?

The  unassailable conventional wisdom of ZH is that Putin is a grandmaster playing chess, but I wonder if he is really a kid who found a grenade.  Not that I would criticize.  I personally like Putin, and feel like every time he frustrates the DC power elite, he is doing a favor to the American people.  Russia has shown a strange tendency in recent decades to ignore realpolitik ad do the right thing from a moral, humanist perspective.  Allowing self-determination in Crimea is the right thing to do (and also Texas, Chechnya, Tibet, Taiwan, Catalonia, and name where you will.)

By the way, if joining Russia was a voluntary act of the people -- that's quite a precedent -- could they later vote to un-join, and would Russia respect that?  I can't see why not.

And with China abstaining, you have to wonder, when's the referendum in Tibet?

This story is much more complex and deep down reality is not at all like the Fox-tard nonsense that normally gets repeated on ZH.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:43 | 4554879 NDXTrader
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Your post made way too much sense to be posted here. Many here on ZH love Putin because he sticks his finger in the US's eye from time to time. As you said why does t Chechnya get the same chance?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:49 | 4554898 Zwelgje
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FREE HAWAI'I !!!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:47 | 4554889 richsob
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Be careful, Shorts, you're being waaaay too reasonable for the people who have swarmed over this website in the past couple of weeks.   Ivan and Tanya are wearing their fingers out hitting the down arrow every time something remotely critical of His Holiness Vladimir is mentioned here.  You will get down arrows about 50% of the time for your comment.  I'll get them about 90% of the time for this comment.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:35 | 4555800 silvermail
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I'm not advocating for Putin.
I just stand against the lies, aggression and hypocrisy from US side.

Just a decent person, it does not mean pro-Putin person, is not it?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:55 | 4554909 Quinvarius
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I think the west is used to dealing with unarmed opponents.  They akways want to bomb everyone as the last option.  They cannot credibly make that threat vs Russia so they have no endgame.  I dont know if id call it chess.  Obama just makes a lot of rookie mistakes because he doesnt know anything about history or global politics.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:51 | 4555107 Lost My Shorts
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I know you are a die-hard barry-hater, but maybe it blinds you sometimes.  I don't see the rookie mistakes.  If you pull back from viewing it as just a whos-dick-is-longer contest and look what happened, it looks like this:

Under Yanukovych, Putin had effective control of all of Ukraine, and it was a very easy, inexpensive form of control.  Meanwhile Obama was nursing a grudge, after he offered a reset in relations and Putin pissed on his shoes.  So Kerrybama set loose their neocon monkeys on Ukraine, who threw wrenches into the Ukranian gears and very efficiently blew the place up.  Now where are we?  Putin will probably regain control of only part of Ukraine, and it will be very much more trouble and expense to maintain. Ukraine now becomes a permanent trouble spot for him, both on the ground (where ethnic Ukranian hotheads sit on all his gas pipelines) and in relations with the "international community."  The precedent of self-determination in Crimea will ultimately cost Russia the Caucasus, or increase the cost of holding that territory.  I don't see any Putin victory.

It's not even clear that a partition of Ukraine is a bad thing for "western" interests.  I am sure the EU would like to see the shale deposits of the western Ukraine fracked and the gas exported, and they would like it to be done not in cartel with Russian gas interests.  A bitter, broke rump Ukraine would probably sell the gas cheaper than a unified Ukraine under Russian influence.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:49 | 4555355 SDShack
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Very good points, but there is another angle to consider. After the Soviet Union fell, the West HAD the opportunity to bring Ukraine completely under their influence, by staying out of Ukraine and just letting Ukrainians decide their own fate and they would have jumped at closer ties to the West. The problem is TPTB want to control everything and everyone. So the West did what it always does, try to NATO-ify all the Eastern European Former Soviet Satelites which just plays into the Soviet narrative that the West wants to invade the East. Now the intent of the West is clear... to destroy Russia to get control of their natural resources. The only way to achieve this is to destroy Russia economically, so their military will fall apart. Destruction of the Soviet Union accompllshed a lot of that, but not the destruction of Russian Nukes. That is the REAL threat. It's why NATO wants to install Missle Defence sites in all of Eastern Europe. It's why NATO wants Russia to lose their warm water port in Ukraine and Syria. Land based ICBMs are easier to neutralize with land based missle interceptors.... sub launched ICBMs are a different matter. And Russia has very capable sub launched ICBMs, and warm water ports are preferred to service them. So the need for Russia controling Crimea and Syria and their warm water ports is much more then just gas pipelines, it's militarily strategic.

Now fast forward to today. The West had all of Ukraine within it's speer of influence after the Soviet Union fell, but what did the West do? Overplayed their hand. It's not that Putin has lost Ukraine, Ukraine was "lost" after the Soviet Union fell! It's the West that has "lost" 1/2 the Ukraine because of their meddling. Russia has got what they want and needed, the Crimea. Everything else is just posturing. It will settle down in a few weeks with an independent Crimea being "recognized" by Russian allies, and not recognized by the West. Russia will stop at the Crimea and the "truce" that was announced today will become the basis for the final agreement between Russia and the West. Essentially, Ukraine will be a demilitarized zone. The West will not get any NATO bases there, in return for Russia not expanding into East Ukraine. Instead, NATO will beef up it's presence in the other Eastern European countries, most likely Poland. Watch 0zer0 have a change of heart on missle defense for Poland now. If it doesn't play out like I say, then the only other option is a completely divided Ukraine. Nato in the West, Russia in the East, with the Dnieper area being the dividing line like 38th parellel in Korea. I don't think either side wants that. Too much risk in something going wrong. BTW- I didn't junk you.

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:29 | 4555540 Lost My Shorts
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Seems to me that your points tend to back mine -- that Kerrybama are not "failing" with the arson they have committed in Ukraine, but doing just fine.  I disagree that the west could have nabbed Crimea in the immediate post-Soviet period.  There is always an ebb and flow in unsettled periods of history, and the worst move you can make is commit yourself to preserving an unstable condition, and blow vast resources in a hopeless effort to preserve it.  Crimea would always find its way back to Russia eventually, and probably even the neocons weren't so deluded that they could ever hold it.  They could only make it expensive, which they are doing right now.

I also don't agree that the west is trying to destroy Russia.  The west is by no means a unified thing.  The American military-security industrial complex of course wants to promote conflict to make money.  Careerist Kremlinologists in DC want to provoke conflict to preserve their jobs and relevance.  The Israel lobby has its own interests and schemes.  Eurocrats and DC policy wonks probably perceive Russia as inherently unstable and vulnerable because of the Putin autocracy and oligarch system with deep popular discontent.  I think the DC elite mostly wants Russia to retire fron the world stage, and stop complicating their adventures in the middle east and elsewhere; and the Eurocrats mostly want to be less dependent on Russia for energy.  None of them think they could ever actually occupy Russian territory or get a puppet government into the Kremlin.  There is no scenario in which the West could get Russian natural resources at below market prices, not even on the whiteboard.  If you think there is, describe it.

NB. the way to destroy Russia economically is not to put NATO bases in the Ukraine.  That is just psychological and the Euros don't really want war.  The way to wreck Russia's economy is to draw them into very expensive conflicts on their own periphery, and stand back and watch them bleed.  Not that I support any of that.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:51 | 4555856 silvermail
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@ Lost My Shorts

I've never seen so many delirium, collected in one message!
1. Putin does not need western Ukraine. These areas have always been subsidized and there live descendants of the Nazis.
2. Shale gas - a utopia and a Ponzi scheme that can live only by the influx of new shareholders or subsidies ( tax breaks ) from the government. Soon you 'll see this for yourself.
3. Putin spit on the opinion of so-called "international community." I thought you already understood this .
4. Pray to God that Putin is not brought down the U.S. dollar and not turned the U.S. into a third world country. This will happen within 24 hours after Russia will announced about sales of oil and gas in exchange only for physical gold.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:02 | 4555412 Lost My Shorts
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As a further note, I would recommend:

1) Never assume anyone's true perception of their interests is what they say it is.

2) Never assume the perception of anyone's interest as expressed by the bootlick morons in the American press is accurate.

3) Never assume that anything uttered by John McCain or Lindsay Graham, if connected to reality at all, is less than six removes away.

Then ask, what are everyone's true interests here.

Why would the EU want the Ukraine, a broke, fractured, hopelessly corrupt basket case, on its tab?  Don't the Euros have enough trouble with their PIIGS and tottering social systems?  How on earth could they afford the Ukraine too?  Maybe the Eurocrats mixed cocaine with their prosecco, and they really are crazy.  It's possible.  But it's also possible their true goals are not obvious.

What is the USA's real interest in Ukraine?  I'll take nothing for $2,000, Alex.  The USA's interest in the Ukraine.  What is nothing !!  Ding ding ding you control the board.  The DC elites were annoyed that Putin was being adversarial on the world stage, so apparently they committed some arson on his doorstep.  Take that -- force ol' Vlad to spend a lot of his political capital and cash putting out fires in his front yard, and keep his nose out of our adventures further afield.  I don't personally support that sort of bloody-minded foreign policy, but from the standpoint of the DC elites, making it expensive for Putin is the only real interest they have in Ukraine.  Or did I miss something?  Tell me, what is our interest there?  (Don't say proving our dick is longer.)

As for the ethnic Russians in the eastern Ukraine and Crimea, how do they perceive their interests?  In that part of the world, language and nationalism seems to trump reason most of the time.  Who wants an EU passport, guaranteed human rights, and the right to live and work in France or Germany whenever you want?  Nyet nyet !! Is better to be subject to Putin !!  Nazdrovya or whatever they say.  But there might be buyer's remorse at some point, which only prolongs and increases the cost to Putin.

The Fox-tards just portray the whole thing as a dick olympics, and position their camera in such a way that putin's Dick looks longer after each event.  But that is bullshit.  That is not looking ten moves ahead.  Who is looking ten moves ahead, and what do they see?  It's not an easy question.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:24 | 4554933 Independent
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Ok dude let me lay it out for you in case you haven't been keeping up on the Good the Bad and the Ugly.  All three kill people and are pistoleros.  Putin just happens to be the Good guy and so does Russia.  The Ugly are the USA, also known as the hand puppet of AIPAC, because they have been hijacked by the BAD (the dual-citizen Tribe who strives for world domination and enslavement)

To show you what the Bad think about the world scene look no further than their revered Rabbi Ovadia Yosef who said as followed up by the christian science monitor...

For instance, in 2010 he said in a weekly Saturday night sermon that the sole purpose God put non-Jews on earth was to be servants to Jews.

"Goyim (gentiles, non-Jews) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel," he said, according to the Jerusalem Post. "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created." An "effendi" is a lord, or a master, in Arabic.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/1007/Rab...

Now anyone who has dealt with the Chechens can tell you they are UGLY and up to no good, so you have to keep them in check and where you can see them else they are going to kill ya.  So no referendum for the suckers to run loose and kill everyone in the Caucuses in their quest for Islamic Caliphate.  So screw the Chechens.

Now all you punks start getting holier than though when the Russians do something but when the Tribe and its hand puppet the USA does something in Kosovo, or Latin America, or the Middle East its just another day in Paradise.  Look Putin is doing a fraction of what the USA has done this past thirty years. So if by having the bases in Crimea means Putin has an extra gun in the gunfight against town domination by the Tribe and its hand puppet USA then its a good thing sucker.

The Pistoleros decide who walks and who talks in the Wild Wild Earth, just a fact of reality, it just matters who you want to be standing at the end of the movie.  Now drop your gay bath towel the donkey show is about to start and it helps you have nothing on cause you lost your shorts

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:26 | 4555012 Rafferty
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+100

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:26 | 4555233 Byte Me
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Bashkortostan ain't got a Russki majority either. The largest ethnic fraction IS Russian (about a third I guess) but the other 2/3 could tell them that they think otherwise and of course Putty would let them go. Otherwise he'd be as big a hypocrite as our western wonders.

I can't understand how all these ethno-russian pussies are "frightened" by a bunch of fascist dipshits in Kiev and run off bleating for Big Bad Vlad to protect them. Russia has plenty of provinces (I heard Putty say so) - If you want to live in Russia then man up and fuck off and live there.

Now you watch - that'll get a response - why the troll gang might even stop playing Jackov and down vote me..

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:19 | 4555749 silvermail
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In Chechnya already has been a referendum. And People said: "Together with Russia."
Are there any questions?

If you were literate person, then you would know that Chechnya has never put forward demands to secede from Russia. Because Chechnya can not be an independent state within its borders. It sees and understands any fool who saw topographic map.
Even Dudayev was demanded for Chechnya only special conditions as part of the Russian Federation.
You should read more history, but not propaganda from faux news.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:14 | 4554794 AlaricBalth
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Merkel to Putin: Wanna barter some Russian gas for German gold being held at the US Fed?

Putin to Merkel: Hahahaha...that's a good one. I love droll German humor.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:03 | 4554591 dogbreath
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<----   Do I ?

<----   Don't I  ?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:25 | 4554639 CPL
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It's going to take a 40 of rye to get her done proper.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:23 | 4554634 CPL
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Holy shit it's the Elaine dance from Seinfield.  That's fit for a meme.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:25 | 4554641 So Close
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I am sure Putin will support the succesion of Texas when the time comes.  I know I will.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:41 | 4554691 sunnyside
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How about if California has a vote to leave the US and join Mexico?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:47 | 4554713 Husk-Erzulie
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They can have everything south of Big Sur... Take Hollywood please, just leave SanFrancisco.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:07 | 4554771 Postal
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How about if the rest of the country just votes to give back California?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:07 | 4554773 Bonapartist
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CA, TX, NM and AZ would be nice- US of MEX.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:22 | 4554799 Kirk2NCC1701
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People wanting to split NorCal from SoCal is nothing new.  Nor is the idead of forming 'Cascadia' by merging Oregon, Washington, and Iowa, perhaps with BC joining. 

These kind of political re-mapping from time to time is merely consistent with the natural demographic changes over time.  It shouldn't be a big deal in theory, but it is in practice, because of the impact on politicians and oligarchs who are affected.  Peaceful and civil secessions, like that of Czeckoslovakia is almost unherad of.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:31 | 4554844 TahoeBilly2012
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California is splitting up, remember?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-to-split-into-six-states-plan-may...

I am in Jefferson. We have water, weed, wood and wine. Beat it kooks!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:06 | 4555908 silvermail
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Somebody make an armed fascist coup in Washington.
Russia declares that "the new government" in Washington - it's nice and legal.
I want to see how Texas will agree to submit to the criminal rebels authority.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:26 | 4554643 BandGap
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OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

You asshole!

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 02:20 | 4557496 MeelionDollerBogus
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At least it wasn't blue waffles for breakfast.

You can unthank me later.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:30 | 4554656 Miffed Microbio...
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Damn it! Every day I tell myself : ok, today is a no link day. Then I succumb to impulsive, morbid curiosity. Perhaps I should try: no links so early in the morning when hung over and not wearing sunglasses.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:33 | 4554670 Stoploss
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3 X 4 = 11?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:24 | 4554814 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clearly Merkel made all the right 'moves' to get to where she is now.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:09 | 4555916 silvermail
Mon, 03/17/2014 - 02:18 | 4557495 MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya, but young and not fat. Her face will never be pretty but that picture actually wasn't painful. I didn't click on the thing you replied to, however. :-)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:28 | 4555974 f16hoser
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Don't waste your time Vladdy, she's a woman and a Sour Kraut at that! She does what her Banker Handlers tell her to do.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:52 | 4554565 H. Perowne
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Well, he has a lot to smile about lately. Frau Merkel, not so much.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:53 | 4554567 Berspankme
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angela mentioned Von Rumpoy

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:56 | 4554571 Aussie V
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Merkel loooks like a schoolgirl telling everyone about her secret boyfriend

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:57 | 4554578 1stepcloser
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Ahh Fraulein, I Putin, can get your gold returned

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:25 | 4554644 sessinpo
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And why would he when he can probably get and keep Germany's gold.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:30 | 4554660 1stepcloser
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Because it can be used to invade in a few years...we are playing global chess here.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:00 | 4554580 hansg
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Europe (both the nations themselves and the EU) is absolutely terrified that its various regions will discover the Power of Secession, and then abundantly vote to use that power. Allowing an Ukrainian region to vote for its own future also opens the doors for German, Italian, Spanish, Irish, or God knows what other regions to do the same. Even if central governments "held everything together" (the favorite pastime of european politicians), the damage to their legitimicy would be immense.

I'd vote for secession from The Hague, but given my geographical location (right next to it) this may be difficult to pull off... Still, don't think it isn't being considered.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:06 | 4554594 IridiumRebel
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10520482/Independ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/from-the-grand-canal-to-j...

 


There has been much water under the Bridge of Sighs since Napoleon Bonaparte marched into Venice ending 1,100 years of independence in the city state.

But tomorrow, more than two centuries after Napoleon barged in, and almost 150 years after Venice finally became part of Italy, the five million citizens of the lagoon and Veneto region could again cut ties with Rome.

Egged on by independence campaigners in Scotland and Catalonia, a majority "Yes" vote could set in train events that see the evocative city once again become the capital of an independent sovereign state.

The referendum, which closes next Saturday, is not recognised by Rome or the regional authorities, but its proponents say a positive outcome could create a head of steam that would make independence inevitable.

Northern League politicians promoting the creation of a new Republic of Veneto say they have history on their side. The Venetian Republic was, they note, one of the most important and enduring states in European history, lasting from the late seventh century until 1797, when Bonaparte deposed the last doge.

The independent trading power fostered artists including Giorgione, Bellini and Titian.

Activists say 65 per cent of voters in the Veneto, including in historic Treviso, Vicenza and Verona, are in favour of independence. They cite dissatisfaction among the richer northern cities with Rome's perceived inefficiency and with tax revenue being diverted to the poorer south.

The populist Northern League – together with much of the region's electorate – sees the capital and the rest of the country as a drain on the local economy. The party's leader in Veneto, Federico Caner, cites official figures that suggest this wealthy and industrialised region pays €20bn more in taxes to Rome than it receives in investment and services.

"We have our own identity, history and culture," he said. "Before Italy was a nation, Venice was the world's first democratic republic that had endured for 1,000 years."

Not every one is in favour of independence. "It is anachronistic to think of a Europe made out of regions when we should strive for a Europe of stronger nations," said Pietro Piccinetti, president of the Committee for the "No" vote. "We want to change, but within a stronger Italy."

Voters will also be asked if an independent Venice should join the EU and Nato, and retain the euro. And therein lies one of the problems with the succession plan, says Fabrizio Marrella, a Veneto-born professor of international law at the Ca' Foscari University, perched on the banks of Venice's Grand Canal.

He thinks Italy's constitution would make secession for Veneto much more arduous than for Scotland or Catalonia. "If it were to become independent, Veneto would leave the EU and then have to re-apply for EU membership. This would spell disaster for Veneto's economy," he said.

The Italian establishment appears to be ignoring uppity Venetians' independent ambition. National newspapers and television channels have ignored the Veneto poll. However, even those who do not favour independence say that the Venetian referendum is an important political message that Rome must heed, sooner or later.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:23 | 4554630 Looney
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I hereby declare the Repubblica del Veneto a sovereign State. Bitchez... I mean... Puttani!  ;-)

Looney

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:11 | 4554785 Bonapartist
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Rome and a lot of the Northern cities are turning into Muzzie shitholes and as N Italians say "Africa begins at Naples".

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 16:33 | 4555989 silvermail
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You are confusing the whole country and the country where was an armed rebellion that divided the country into two parts:
- Part of Ukraine where 30% of the population supports the criminal rebels.
- And Part of Ukraine where most of the population (80%-90%) does not support criminal rebels.

You just have to think with your head:
1. So calling the "new government " in Kiev is not democratically elected. They came to power illegally and undemocratically - criminal rebels. This estimate does not depend on the opinions of Washington and their vassals type Merkel. This estimate depends only on the rule of law.
2 . If this so- calling "new government" in Kiev is a criminal rebels, then they should all be arrested and prosecuted.
3 . But If this so- calling "new government" in Kiev is the "people's revolutionaries" ( as says Washington), then the state of Ukraine in its previous format, today, does not legally exist.
After the revolution in Czarist Russia, we see a new country - the USSR. All international rights and obligations of Tsarist Russia after the revolution , were lost.
Thus, Russia today, does not have any legal obligations to the new after-revolution Ukraine in its new format.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 09:59 | 4554582 Truther
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Now EU.... You can go Fuck yourselves....

Putin

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:45 | 4554706 old naughty
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This is one who has a dream (of EAU) and he positioned himself well with BICS...

Teleprompting Merkel, not so much.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:28 | 4554584 JustObserving
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Merkel has been spied upon by the NSA since 2002 and is completely compromised.  As proof of her total ownership by the US, she was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Obama in 2011 followed by Madeline Albright of "Deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it" renown in 2012.

THE FAILURE OF GERMAN LEADERSHIP
Merkel Whores For Washington

Paul Craig Roberts

Washington, enabled by its compliant but stupid NATO puppets, is pushing the Ukrainian situation closer to war.

German Chancellor Merkel has failed her country, Europe, and world peace. Germany is the strength of the EU and NATO. Had Merkel said “No” to sanctions on Russia, that would have been the end of the crisis that Washington is brewing, a crisis unlikely to be ended short of war.

But Merkel has signed away the sovereignty of the German nation and assigned the fate of Germany to a province in the American Empire. Thus has Merkel and the weak
German leadership consigned the world to war. Already blamed for World War 1 and World War 2, now Germany will be blamed for World War 3.

Washington’s mismanaged Ukrainian coup has cost Washington Crimea, which Washington wanted most of all in order to deprive Russia of its warm water naval base on the Black Sea. In addition, the mismanaged overthrow of an elected government in Ukraine is threatening to also lose the Russian cities of eastern Ukraine. Like Crimea, eastern Ukraine is more Russian than Ukrainian.

In what is clearly a fruitless and pointless effort to get Crimea back, Washington is demanding that Russia interfere in Crimea and prevent Crimea from seceding from Ukraine. If the Russian government refuses to follow Washington’s orders, Washington has announced that it will inflict “damaging sanctions” on Russia. Initially, EU countries expressed an unwillingness to go along with Washington, but with bribes and threats, Washington has conquered Merkel and has its European puppets lined up following orders.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/13/failure-german-leadership-mer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

http://world.time.com/2013/10/27/report-u-s-spied-on-merkel-since-2002/

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:34 | 4554672 Husk-Erzulie
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Vlad and Merkel actually like each other.  They share a similar cultural past having both grown up and been educated under the old cccp.  Never underestimate the power of personal relationships and genuine trust in political affairs.  Angela will read the wind like any politician but Vlad could well carve her away from the EU.  The writing is already clearly on the wall with independence movements set to become hugely powerful... any astute political animal can see this. The NWO pushed too hard and too fast in countries like Sweden (the Swedes are waking up to the fact that they are now THE RAPE CAPITAL OF EUROPE and they have EU/NWO policies to thank for it.  They will be Lucky if their culture survives the next twenty years intact.  There is a major backlash coming and Putin will ride the wave.  Angela just might decide to go along for the ride.  As far as this latest Dept of State USA coup de tete, same pattern... too slow... too clumsy and hesitant and bungled in execution= no fait accompli= the truth comes out eventually= trust and momentum are lost= battle is lost.  Back to subversion school Vicky, you fucked up.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:14 | 4554791 Bonapartist
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Even though they like to occasionally kill one another on a massive scale Germany and Russia have always had close ties.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:38 | 4554859 Kirk2NCC1701
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And NOW we know just how useful and powerful the NSA spying was/is on world leaders, politicians and select people of wealth, power and influence.  Control these people (via blackmail), plus control their fiat-Debt, you control the country.

Note that Merkel's party (CDU) is a Conservative, Christian group, with its power base in the same place as Hitler had his:  Bavaria.  The CDU is like a Neocon-infested GOP.

Also... with 65+ years of brainwashing and conditioning, Germany has been trainig to 'toe' the American line -- if pressed.  Besides, Merkel (an East German) herself is used to 'toeing' the line, to get ahead. 

Agree with Roberts though:  Merkel was the pivot to swing the rest of the EU either for or against the US Neocons, and she has betrayed and sold out Germany, the EU and Ukraine itself. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:36 | 4555050 Independent
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Totally agree Kirk if one looks at German mentality is that they are good at taking orders.  The USA has turned the German people into perfect lap dogs, just like the USA is the lap dog of Israel.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:01 | 4554586 IridiumRebel
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"You want gaz to keep flow to Berlin and beyond, you worry about slow float of your gold back from America. Otherwise, gaz turned off and you Crimea river!"

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:28 | 4554833 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Crimea was a part of Russia until Krushchev "gave" it back to Ukraine in 1954, of course with the caveat that the military base stays (Krushchev was Ukrainian--maybe he thought he was 'representing' for his homies). Of course, being from near to that part of the world, the thing most americans won't get is the sheer history of conquest, pillage and much longer standing ethnic, religious and cultural tensions that are endemic to Europe. Those don't go away with "democracy" or authoritarianism, but when things are going well economically, they can set aside most of their differences. When things are bad, a 600 yr old argument will be brought up like it happened yesterday.

This is more of the 'choosing sides' duality, but both choices suck so you shouldn't pick either. Realistically, NATO shouldn't be trying to get Ukraine to join (nor even the EU) and they shouldn't clamor to be within the Russian federation. Both sides will try and rob you, it's just a question of who will beat you up worse, or maybe leave you with your pocket change.  FWIW I'd think all of eastern europe should be one massive block of declared neutral nations, "friendship towards all, favoritism towards none." I know, easier said than done.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:03 | 4554587 Took Red Pill
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This is part of a global military agenda to destabilize. It's happening simitaneously in Syria, Egypt, Libya, Venezuala and now the Ukraine. The new leaders in Ukraine are Neo-nazis. The US has sent money and mercenaries. There are snipers who are shooting at both sides. Why? So the IMF can take over and own them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHqExUDPYvA#t=775 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:41 | 4554873 Kirk2NCC1701
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Whoever said recently that the BIS is at the very top, with the IMF as its Enforcer, was probably right.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:56 | 4555134 Rafferty
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'The new leaders in Ukraine are Neo-nazis. '

 

100% wrong.  These are just the foot soldiers.  The real leaders are...   http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/ukraine-mist-begins-to-clear.html

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:03 | 4554588 Newfie
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The world is slowly breaking up.

Quebec from Canada

Scotland from UK

The State of California is talking of making smaller states.

Secession talks in some US states

Let alone members of the EU.

 

We are living in a paradigm shift. God help us as 2008 was the beginning of interesting times.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:14 | 4554605 grgy
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Quebec will never separate from Canada.  They have people who rant and rave about it but that is just to secure more transfer payments from the rest of Canada.  How else could they afford $7 day care? Brilliant really.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:18 | 4554617 Newfie
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The big question is how much longer is western Canada willing to pay the bills of the rest of the country?

There is a small and growing movement in the west to separate.

Redistribution of wealth creates separatism.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:31 | 4554841 MillionDollarBoner_
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Quebec's bitching is the same as Scotland's.

 

They don't really want independence - only more sweeties from Mom n Pop...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:58 | 4554919 Soul Glow
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Does anyone in Canada complain about giving taxes to the Queen?  

Better question - does anyone in Canada even know they pay taxes to the Queen?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:26 | 4554824 Kirk2NCC1701
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If Quebec seperates from Canada, Montreal (an island in the St. Lawrence river) seperates from Quebec.  That would kill the Quebec economy, such as it is.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:20 | 4554627 chemystical
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"The world is slowly breaking up.  Quebec from Canada.  Scotland from UK.  The State of California is talking of making smaller states.  Secession talks in some US states."

In honesty, the sentiment amongst these indignenous peoples are hardly new.  Quebec has been discussing this for 200 years and actively (often violently) for 50 years.  Scotland has been discussing this for 700 years (then attained it for a while) and certainly has been discussing it for 300 years.  Secession amongst the US states is not novel obviously.  Someone in the Colorado statehouse has brought a bill on the subject up for vote for at least the last 20 years.

The sky is falling Chicken Little, but the citations need a bit of work.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:24 | 4554636 Newfie
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Chicken little indeed.

Everything always remains the same.

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:17 | 4554801 Bonapartist
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Until it doesn't- history has proven that man does not live in a lineal pattern.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:02 | 4554927 Soul Glow
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Although I am in favor of redrawing many Nation-State lines (since most were carved up after WWII to purposely create ethnic tensions) it is also the Brzezinski plan.  We must be careful of how, if we do, break apart these Nation-States.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:36 | 4554678 shovelhead
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Quebec and the entire Canada of 1759 was indeed separate from everyone except France.

Then the lobsterbacks showed up on the St. Lawrence and infested the place.

Like cockroaches, they couldn't get rid of them.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:27 | 4554647 yrbmegr
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People in Texas have talked about secession my entire life.  They will never try it, though, because sandwiched between Mexico and the United States, Texas could never be independent for long.  Texas is part of the U.S. because the independent Texians knew they couldn't keep Texas going as an independent country for long, and they chose the U.S. over Mexico.  Presented with the same choice again, I think Texans would choose the U.S. again.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:44 | 4554699 sunnyside
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How about Alaska?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:22 | 4554812 Taint Boil
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Are the Texan people the "rebels" who need money and weapons from China / Russia?

If the Texas National Guard (funded and armed by China) attached the capital would the US military fire upon their own people (Texans). Imagine if .... well you get the point. Take any news story and and change the name of USA with Russia and The word Russia with USA and read it back to yourself and throw in Mexico for Ukraine just for kicks and giggles. 
Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:03 | 4555418 SDShack
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When it happens, it won't just be Texas, but the entire swath of West Central US up into Western Canada, through the Yukon and into Alaska. Basically, everything West of Minnesota and Hudson Bay, and East of the Pacific States. Probably won't happen in my lifetime, but I definitely see it gaining traction in the next generation. There is way too much polarization going on around the entire world for a great reset not to happen.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:49 | 4557328 MeelionDollerBogus
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You are sadly mistaken if you think Western Canada, BC, wants to join any part of the USA.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:39 | 4554684 nathan1234
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And Venice breaking off from Italy

http://rt.com/news/venice-independence-referendum-italy-154/

 

Following in the footsteps of Scotland and Catalonia, Venice – the capital of the Italian region of Veneto – will be holding a referendum to form an independent republic. About 3.8 million people in the region are eligible to vote in the referendum, which runs through Friday.

Leaders of the independence movement say they are not going to wait for Rome’s approval, and if the population votes in favor they will begin the separation process. The latest polls carried out by the independence movement show that over 60 percent of the population is in favor of becoming independent.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:49 | 4554721 Miffed Microbio...
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The one clear fact about secession is it sparks conflict. Our civil war left 700k men dead. The reality is when conditions make leaving preferable, it is a sign change is needed. The problem is, it tends to be the most productive who want to leave and those who leech and profit from them wanting them to stay and support them. This can be applied to a marriage as well. The scenario where the conditions change to the productive member benefit never seems happen. So he is left with suffering in his present state or fighting for a new life. Decisions on actions are made simply at the level of absolute intolerance. I feel this first hand sitting in the very unhappy and polarized State of California.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:33 | 4555276 jerry_theking_lawler
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The problem is that all people are different. The Constitution was put in place as the 'best' form of government. The original intent has long been removed from use...because of this, people have been disenfranchised by what has went in its place and are 'rejecting' the programming (like the previous versions in the Matrix).....

People in the center of the USSA do not think like the people on the edges and when each are forced to fit into the others beliefs there is always problems. This is the reason for the 'minority' rights of the Constitution (so that the Democracy/aka majority doesn't trample on the minority)....

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 15:07 | 4555709 Miffed Microbio...
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Agreed Jerry. This is what I thought was the beauty of the United States. When a group of people wished to live under a different set of laws they could do so on the state level. The rest of the country would watch this play out in microcosm, the rest of us being insulated from bad effects. People who wished to live in this manner would flock to the new state but would be accountable to the Constitution. Because the Constitution has been all but officially annulled and voting has no utility, we are a subjugated society. We are essentially being ruled by this tyrannical minority. This would not be possible if we were living under the Constitution, hence it's necessary removal.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:33 | 4555277 jerry_theking_lawler
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The problem is that all people are different. The Constitution was put in place as the 'best' form of government. The original intent has long been removed from use...because of this, people have been disenfranchised by what has went in its place and are 'rejecting' the programming (like the previous versions in the Matrix).....

People in the center of the USSA do not think like the people on the edges and when each are forced to fit into the others beliefs there is always problems. This is the reason for the 'minority' rights of the Constitution (so that the Democracy/aka majority doesn't trample on the minority)....

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:00 | 4554746 Ms No
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Sometimes I get the sneaking feeling that in 50 years both N America and Russia will be covered with Chinese and Indians (dot not feather)

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:25 | 4555069 CPL
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Because good things come in small packages? 

The 'breakups' are only indications of the system changing/evolving into the most efficient form as fast as possible because they need to.  Basically the re-invention of the city state with current technology and the migration from the super state. 

To manage resources for 7.2 billion people a larger super state does not answer the day to day regional requirements of the people that live in a city.  A government is a service mechanism to mortar a society together, and like mortar lightly applied for the best effect.  Function and efficiency are driven by main street.  And today the internet has made it possible to coordinate any larger activities without the unnecessary overhead of super states or federal requirements because a search engine will get you an answer faster than a federal anything.

Historically it's how city states kept themselves from falling to pieces during 'paradigm shifts'.  City states excelled at communication with external partners (shipping foot/horse/boat/canal and agricultural) while brokering space for resources and people.  (aka; someone ran out of money/dies conquering the world/etc).  They took gold and silver only as well.  With a crypto option it then allows for trade in any direction there is internet without the unnecessary overhead of a central regional bank issuing questionable notes and putting the entire economy in jeopardy.

An example of how successful hundreds of these city states that have been is Delhi in India.  It's either 8000 years old...or 80000, the archaeology in the area is fun, but pretty weird.  For a single city though they've been through the grinder over millenniums. 

They've been burned out, washed away, invaded, un-invaded, plagued, knocked down, built up, fallen down, built up again, re-invaded, burned out again, washed away, washed away, burned, invaded....etc.  Long story short.  It's been around for a while, and there it is changing names for the nth time still full of people after all the horseshit life throws around.  And silver and gold is what historically through each turn of the wheel runs the economy of the city.  Crypto offers a third option for a connected world.  Just happens to be an exuberant crypto currency community there backed with some of the finest North American trained developers on the planet.

It's strength, that still exists to this day, is how chatty and completely chaotic it is along with a city archives that is huge (well the bits the British didn't burn or steal for the gold leaf on the paper).  Delhi has been through all sorts of historical changes and shrugged every last one of them off changing subtly over each change applied over time.

I would also point out the rise of the Italian city states as another proof on the direction this heads when something like a Roman Empire collapses.  Or Beirut when a Persian Emperor dies.  Lots of examples out there of cities leveled, rebuilt and rebooted.  It's the cycle of a city state; helps get rid of the trash, overhead costs and sextupling of similar services.  In terms of government, local governance > multiple tiers. 

Changes everything in terms of quality as well.  It's easier to pay attention to day to day details and take care of fundamentals.  Sanitation, Justice, Marketplace, education, garbage, road works, inspection, etc.  All of it is in a library somewhere, or online and each professional association tracks the standards to meet cost, quality and safety issues with engineered solutions.

Today...there just isn't a need for large super sized state anymore.  Costs too much.  If moving to a resource economy where oil is going to be a little hard to get.   It's a good thing there are so many cities based on international standards and people to help fill the gaps professionally. (everyone said they wanted a job...there you go).

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 14:17 | 4555473 Husk-Erzulie
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Great, great post.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:08 | 4554598 shovelhead
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Why is it when you're trying to spread some Democracy around, somebody wants to fuck things up by voting?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:25 | 4554610 1stepcloser
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It only a legitamate vote if it goes the Globalist's way..

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:40 | 4554686 buzzsaw99
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^this^

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:44 | 4557316 MeelionDollerBogus
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Like in Palestine.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:10 | 4554599 Racer
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At least they get a vote, unlike in the UK, EU and US where big decisions are taken against the will or say of the people

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:12 | 4554603 rubearish10
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Putin is pretty smart and remains many steps in front of the West by calling a truce between Russia and Ukraine until March 21st. I bet it's designed to force the West to make a move and avoid predisposed bloodshed the West could blame on Russia.Let's see what happnes next, ha ha!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:16 | 4554609 smacker
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Merkel should stick with double helpings of cheese and get out of politics.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:18 | 4554619 Husk-Erzulie
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Oh look, an actual human being.  Genuine laughter; how strange that it's not posed and scripted.  Whatever the joke is it must be genuinely amusing because even the security guys are smiling.  Why does Putin have a 70-80% approval (and not just in Russia)?  Funny, but I can't seem to find a picture of Vlad throwin The Horns.  I didn't find a picture of Barry showing the pyramid or the six six six, then again I didn't look too hard. 

Fucking Idiots

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:21 | 4554626 Kina
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NSA has collected a bunch of shit on Merkle and others....and demand that she help precipitate a major war killing hundreds of thousand, to save herself severe embarassament.

 

And as we know a politician will kill to save themesleves from emebarassment.

 

Merkle should simply call a press conference, tell the world she is being blackmailed by NSA/USA and that she intends to tell them to fuck off...come what may.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:21 | 4554629 joak
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Jacques Sapir made a very interesting point : if the West pretends there was a revolution in Ukraine, it means that the constitution becomes obsolete (and a new constitution has to be voted), therefore claiming that the referendum was unconstitutional is wrong. If there was no revolution, it means there was a coup, so the actual govt is not legitimate, which makes the independence referendum in Crimea a secondary issue...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:32 | 4554667 yrbmegr
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The West is on thin ice in Ukraine.  The vote to remove Yanukovich failed by constitutional standards, so his removal was a coup.  The only thing the West can point to is Yanukovich's deep unpopularity, and the apparent popularity of his removal.  That does not make it legal, however, and it complicates the moral ground the West is trying to exploit.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:29 | 4554632 falak pema
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Mutti to Putin  : When I worked for Stasi and you worked for KGB those were the good old days in Karl Marx Stadt.

Putin to Mutti : Yes I used to take pictures with my polaroid that I sent to Moscow and you took notes in German you sent to Carla, your boss.  We were a good tandem. But...we could see the writing on that wall when it fell, knowledge that we kept to ourselves. We are survivors! 

Mutti to Putin : Now we have to play this sham game of Ukraine's legality. Don't these people understand? Legality is left hand telling right hand that your bulletin in the vote box is already counted before you drop it in. 

Putin to Mutti : We have to play this game, of you being left hand and I right hand of God of legality. We both know we are tied together in Gazprom's Gordian knot of realpolitik, our true Allah of milk and honey. 

Mutti to Putin : Yes, but they don't know or can't remember what Maggie said : There where lies conflict I bring harmony. (Wink, wink).

Putin to Mutti : Exactly; voting brings conflict and Gazprom brings harmony; we, behind the tinsel curtain know that simple truth that McCain and consorts don't want to admit as its not in their interest. 

Mutti to Putin : They don't count Vlad, as Carla clearly taught us; we know how to act as enemies all the while be we the best of friends. Thats what CIA/KGB really is; we scratch each other's backs to make the honey pot bigger for us. 

Putin to Mutti : Just tell the Yanks, they are now toast on the grill if they forget that simple cold war rule. 

Mutti to Putin : No I'll never say that; silence is for the lambs and those wolves will have to find out some lambs are only lambs until the wolves lose their sharp fangs of money reserve.

Putin to Mutti: Amen to that. Time looks like its on our side and Russia has learned one thing since centuries : it knows how to be patient. But do these Yanks know that game? 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:30 | 4554659 nathan1234
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Obummer to Mutti : The NSA has reported to me about your conversation with Putin.

No choice but to drone you.

And blame it on Putin of course.

 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:46 | 4554711 smacker
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And of course it goes almost without saying that the conversation was in fluent Russian.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:25 | 4554642 valkir
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A nation who get drunk drinking beer is treatening nation who get sober drinking beer.Good luck...

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:33 | 4554669 1stepcloser
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I for one can't get drunk on beer...and all I do is pee.  I'm ready to fight!

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:34 | 4554675 disabledvet
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"It is done." Slowly but surely the rest of Ukraine will be snuffed out.

Should be an interesting occupation.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:36 | 4554677 1stepcloser
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Be the next Greece or Return to Mother Russia...hmmmm let me see..

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 12:07 | 4554944 Zwelgje
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Russia is popular in Greece. Check this appearance of Russian Naval Infantry in Alexanderpolis, Greece 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dnslbv2-VM. The crowd cheers.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:44 | 4554690 Son of Captain Nemo
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So what happens when the people vote - either in a rigged process or otherwise - to join Russia, Russia formally annexes the territory and calls the western diplomatic bluff?

So who the fuck added that little flourish? especially when you consider our unmonitored elections that got George Bush and President Remus elected twice under the worst election fraud the World has ever witnessed!  Just ask this guy how rigged it was ?

The only way this election could be rigged "paper ballots aside" is if you saw Victoria Zion-Cunt Nuland and Insane McCain standing outside the polls handing out a stash of stale cookies from last months Neo-Nazi triumph in Kiev.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:46 | 4554710 One And Only
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I have a man crush on Putin. Love that guy.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:50 | 4554724 1stepcloser
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I hope when the Rothschilds take a painful dump and Hemis are bledding something fierce, they from now on, call it "takin a Putin"

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:10 | 4554782 IridiumRebel
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Putin on the shitz?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:38 | 4554863 El Vaquero
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IR on a roll this morning. 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 10:51 | 4554726 Ms No
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Anybody see their nice, transparent plexiglass vote boxes?  How come we don't get those?  Oh yeah.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:02 | 4554736 Kina
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Of course the whole thing is a fucking power game.

Russia is happy for their to be a referendum because they know the Crimea will vote to separate from the Ukraine, it was a given. Just look at the Russian history in the Crimea during WW2 to understand why it is quintisentially a Russian favouring region.

 

And of course Russia, USA and anywhere else would not support a referendum they first didn't know the result of. Everybody knows this.

So getting all anal and accusing ZH of being fox has about as much credibility as a pedophile in a pre-school.

 

Chechnya frigging knew it was going to have a massive war on its hands if it tried to separate from Russia....they chose that path to freedom...one that will cost lots of blood and never be really successful.

Thats the reality of it. It is as wrong as the US putting in neo Nazis to run the Ukraine, or trying to get Europe to provoke a major war.

Nobody is just saying this is wright or wrong...everybody is saying that US is just as fucking bad and evil and self serving as all those other murderous oligarchs and dictators out there.

 

You can bet though that Fox and the MSM would never say or allow this to be said.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:01 | 4554748 Chuck Knoblauch
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The Queen is jealous.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:03 | 4554752 Winston of Oceania
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Did they just sign a non aggression pact or something?

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:06 | 4554767 Soul Glow
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The West is playing checkers, the East is playing chess.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:26 | 4554822 real
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the pic of putin merkel is when they were discussing usa sanctions 

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:41 | 4554854 W74
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The focus of the world is once again shifting back toward the geographic pivot of history.  The USA/Kikes/WesternEurope want to retain the center of power in lands they and their oligarchs more easily control. The former shift of power to the far West is an historical oddity, much of it based on fraud, deception as well as overt unapolagetic warmongering.

Germany's future is aligned (though not strongly) with Russia's.  Why would they want to ally with London (which has only been the case for just shy of 70 years), that great city which like Babylon before it is rotting from within where even the termites are choking on the splinters knowing the palace will crumble, crushing those mad enough to remain within?

The only way for Germany to hold on is to at least not go against these power shifts.  Challenging the shifting status quo would do more harm (read: bloodletting) than simply allowing the inevitable to take place.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:51 | 4554903 Soul Glow
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Kike is a term for an illiterate Jew.  I'm not sure how illiterate Jews are anything to fear.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 13:46 | 4555327 Element
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Jesus krist ... yeah I know, I maybe just cursed a kike ... anyway, for the sake of the derp:

"Kike

derogatory slang for "Jew," 1904, perhaps originating among Ger.-American Jews in reference to newcomers from Eastern Europe, whose names ended in -ki or -ky. Philip Cowen, first editor of "The American Hebrew," suggests a source in Yiddish kikel "circle." According to him, Jewish immigrants, ignorant of writing with the Latin alphabet, signed their entry forms with a circle, eschewing the "X" as a sign of Christianity. Ellis Island immigration inspectors began calling such people kikels, and the term shortened as it passed into general use." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kike

 If it means " ignorant of writing with the Latin alphabet", then I guess I'm half fucking kike too ... damn ... that really bums one out.

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 17:54 | 4556277 nah
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Russia will vote for a new planet in Ukraine bitchez

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-Putin

Sun, 03/16/2014 - 23:08 | 4557236 MeelionDollerBogus
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LOL

http://flic.kr/p/m42Gkn

Maybe I'll caption under her face in German that she was promised she'd never have to swallow again.

Flickr actually lets me re-upload to the same URL... tempting :)

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