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Finally, A Plausible Scenario Of What Happened To Flight 370
Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,
The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry.
At long last, a plausible scenario of what happened to Flight 370 has emerged. By plausible I mean that the scenario fits all the known facts.
The key piece of evidence has finally been released by Malaysian authorities: Pilot Spoke to Air Controllers After Shutoff of Data System (NYT.com).
This proves that one of the pilots turned off the ACARS communications link and then reported to air traffic control (ATC) as if all was normal. Twelve minutes later, one of the pilots switched off the aircraft's transponder, which transmits the aircraft's altitude and location.
This sequence of events more or less proves that one of the pilots was in charge of the aircraft. Given the lack of evidence of duress, this sequence strongly suggests one of the pilots was executing a plan of his own rather than following orders of hijackers.
Given the strong political views of the captain and his mastery of the Boeing 777, all evidence points to the captain as the pilot who turned off the communication links and was in command of the aircraft thereafter.
Post-disappearance moves suggest sophisticated handling, experts say (CBSnews.com)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 search grows as pilots face increased scrutiny (CNN.com)
Though early reports on the captain were limited to neutral comments by peers that he was a nice guy and a devout family man, the strength of his opposition to the current regime in Malaysia is now coming to light:
'Democracy is dead': 'Fanatical' missing airliner pilot pictured wearing political slogan T-shirt (Daily Mail)
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a father-of-three, was said to be a 'fanatical' supporter of the country's opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim - jailed for homosexuality just hours before the jet disappeared.
It has also been revealed that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing.
Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.
‘Colleagues made it clear to us that he was someone who held strong political beliefs and was strident in his support for Anwar Ibrahim,’ another investigation source said. ‘We were told by one colleague he was obsessed with politics.’
What makes this significant is the Malaysian authorities' attempts to suppress this possible motive.
Malaysian officials initially appeared keen not to direct any suspicion towards Zaharie or his co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid, who was last week revealed to have invited two women passengers into the cockpit and smoked on an earlier flight to Phuket.
But evidence of the way the plane’s transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls. Investigators were also baffled by why, if hijackers took over the plane, there was no Mayday call or signal from the two pilots to say the cockpit had been breached.
Thus we have motive and clear evidence that it was the captain, not the co-pilot, who was in command of Flight 370. Enraged by the Soviet-style show-trial and imprisonment of his political hero, the captain may have "sabotaged the flight as a form of drastic political protest." Flight 370: Was Hijacking The Pilot’s Political Revenge?
Now add in that neither the co-pilot nor the captain requested each other, and it seems increasing likely that the captain was making it up as he went along, applying his deep knowledge of the aircraft and navigation to sketch out a makeshift initial plan that was dynamically modified along the way.
I think we can easily trace a plausible series of steps the captain initially took, and then speculate knowledgeably about the challenges and decision trees that arose later in the flight.
The first challenge would be to render the co-pilot unable to contest his control of the aircraft. The easiest way would have been to dissolve a sedative in a beverage and coax the co-pilot into drinking the Mickey Finn.
The "mumbling co-pilot" heard by the airline pilot flying to Japan who radioed Flight 370 offers tantalizing (if scant) evidence of this. (Interestingly, that pilot was confident he spoke with the co-pilot, not the captain.)
Alternatively, the co-pilot fought for control of the aircraft, one explanation of the abrupt climb to 45,000, well above the aircraft's designed ceiling.
If there was a struggle, clearly the co-pilot lost that battle or had already been incapacitated by other means.
Another explanation for the climb to 45,000 feet and the subsequent drop to 23,000 feet is that the captain sought to deprive the passengers of oxygen for long enough to render them unconscious but not long enough to kill them.
Given the profile of the captain that is emerging, I see little evidence of a personality who would set out to kill everyone on board, including himself. I believe the evidence strongly suggests a political motive, to embarrass the Malaysian government and perhaps to do so by seeking asylum in another country.
Once again, the key here is to understand the incomplete nature of the captain's plan: after the initial phase was successful--turning off the ACARS and transponder, incapacitating the co-pilot, and moving beyond the range of Malaysia's military radar-- a number of destinations might have occurred to the captain. It's important to note that flying was not just the captain's vocation, it was also his hobby. I think it is safe to say his life revolved around aviation and flying.
Data showing the number of plausible runways where the plane could have touched down - which need to be at least 5,000ft - offer a baffling number of potential locations.
According to a map drawn up by U.S. radio station WNYC, there are 634 locations which could fit, from Australia to the Maldives to Pakistan.
However, the true number is likely to be even higher, as estimates of how far the plane could have travelled have been increased since the calculations were carried out.
Here is the best current map of the possible routes of Flight 370. I have added the decision tree the captain faced: either fly north and seek political asylum or a remote landing site or fly south and search for a remote landing site.
If the co-pilot had regained control of the aircraft, either alone or with the aid of crew and passengers, he would have first turned on the ACARS and transponder and sent a Mayday signal. Since this didn't happen, we can be confident that the captain was in command of Flight 370 for the duration of the flight--roughly 7.5 hours.
While we don't know if the aircraft landed at some point, we do know the last ping to the satellite was at 8:11 a.m., roughly 6 hours after the last military radar contact.
Here are some other points to consider:
The fact that the Malaysian authorities withheld the sequence of events in the cockpit strongly suggest that they quickly identified the potential for a political motivation for the flight deviation and sought to suppress speculation along this line of inquiry.
This also explains why they withheld the military radar data for three days, and their continuing reluctance to share information or come clean about what they know. They fear the truth, and with good reason.
The captain's home flight simulator suggests that he may well have practiced all sorts of landing scenarios, just out of curiosity or to sharpen his skills in outlier situations. Think about it: if you already have over 18,000 hours in the cockpits of advanced aircraft, you're not going to practice conventional landings you could do in your sleep. That would be beyond boring to someone of his experience.
Given the few hours the captain had to assemble his plan, it is likely that once the initial phase was successful, he might have changed his mind, perhaps more than once.
Given his long experience in aviation, I think it very likely that he knew that the primary and military radars in the region were usually turned off at night. Off-the-record confirmations of this have come from Thailand and Indian officials with knowledge of radar covering the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
Thus it is not surprising there were no primary radar sightings in the region: most or perhaps all of the radars were turned off.
It's also worth noting that most of the primary radars in the region have limited ranges--100 miles or less appears to be average. It is more than possible to thread a flight through the gaps in coverage, even if the radars were active.
Let's assume my speculation is accurate and the captain had no intention of crashing the 777 and killing all on board. As I noted in my first entry on Flight 370, if that was his intention (or simply suicide), why fly for hours? Despite his best intentions, he may have encountered some problem that he responded to incorrectly; it's even possible that he missed his intended destination or became confused about his location.
What Happened to Flight 370? An Analysis of What Is Known (March 13, 2014)
The scenario that best fits the facts is a spontaneously initiated "drastic political protest" by the captain that went awry, despite his intentions and experience.
One last thought: since the U.S. must monitor potential airborne threats and nuclear explosions virtually everywhere on the planet (with the exception of Antarctica), why wouldn't the U.S. have wide-aperture thermal imaging assets in space? And if the U.S. has space-based thermal imaging assets, would they be so low quality that the heat signature from two large jet engines would not show up? That seems unlikely.
Since it has long been known that the U.S. has "wired the oceans for sound," (SUBMARINES, SECRETS, AND SPIES - NOVA/PBS) it's also likely that the sound of a large aircraft hitting the water would also have been detected, regardless of the remoteness of the location.
All of which is to say that it seems probable that the global and space-based intelligence gathering assets of the U.S. recorded some sort of signals that could provide clues to the final resting spot of Flight 370.
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Nah
Nah +1, if the info is from Malaysian
If he really wanted to obscure the facts all he had to do was fly it into a money-losing U.S. skyscraper.
OT, navy seals board north korean oil tanker:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582575/U-S-Navy-SEALs-control-North-Korean-flagged-tanker-Morning-Glory-dramatic-raid-Libyan-rebel-port.html
cover story? tanker was stolen by "libyan rebels".... ok, sure thing...
Maybe its heading towards the Kremlin and then Russia will have no choice but to shoot it down and then the West will have the go ahead to start WW3 courtesy of JoKe and Obummer.
Also, if a pilot turns out to be a terrorist after all these years, then its not safe anymore to do anything because these sleeper cells can just activate all of a sudden.
He will have landed in Malaysia.
Pick one of these islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Malaysia
Or one of these uninhabited islands of Malaysia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Uninhabited_islands_of_Malaysia
Honestly the guy will have flown over one island a thousand times and always thought... I bet I can land there. Wouldn't it be great.
He's just a fan of Lost.
Damn! I was hoping it was baby Skynet waking up and grabbing a toy.
C'mon... by now everyone knows it was an alien abduction.
it's clear the markets are not confused
How come nobody talks about them being shot down?!?!
Malaysians figure out he has gone rogue and don't want a kamakaze ending so they shoot him down and say they can't find him. Seems pretty simple to me.
Or, a major power like the US detects them, unable to hail them on radio, and decided to shoot them down if they are approaching a sensitive target. Boeing could be in on it supplying red herrings to help out. Boeing would be easy to convince to do something for the US military for obvious reasons.
EvERYONE IGNORES THE DEAD NAVY SEALS AND THE 20 DOD CONTRACTORS!!!! I didnt see any mention of that in this "explanation".
In death, a member of Project Malaysian Mayhem has a name.
His name was Z A Shah.
In an emergency situation oxygen gets you high- calm as hindu cows.
They were merely single serving friends.
Who cares?
Wasn't WW3 supposed to break out over Ukraine? Or some global financial collapse?
I'm starting to think Zero Hedge is just another product pandering to the depressed and disenfranchised.
Whisper rumor that Simon Black is on Flight 370.
This theory is now no better than several others. The ACARS system does NOT continuously transmit but rather sends an updatre every 30 minutes. Therefore, because the last received transmission was at 1:07A Local, the next transmission was due at 1:37A Local but was never received. All that we can conclude from that is the ACARS system (And the SSB Transponder) was switched off some time between 1:07A and 1:37A.
Back to the drawing board.
Let’s do a polling…
Given all the news published,
Do you believe the plane will be found?
Yes= Green/Up
No= Red/Down
Do you believe the plane was hijacked/sabotaged?
Yes= Green/Up
No= Red/Down
Do you believe all the “players” tell all they know?
Vietnam Australia China Ussa Ukraine Malaysia
India Russia
Yes= Green/Up No= Red/Down
Simple Q, no qualifying...
It was the Grays.
wouldlike to see the manifest .... anything interesting in the cargo hold?
Have they checked the Senkakus? I bet they snuck in there to claim the islands for Malaysia.
Can we get another Bitcoin article
Pilot turned off the transponder and then moved into the radar shadow of another flight. Invisible all the way to Pakistan or so.
http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
Interesting speculation.
good detective work
Am I the only one worried that a deluded/coerced pilot might have thought that landing in Iran would be a great idea?
Says the (wo)man who has never known either depression or deliberate dis-enfranchisement. One precedes the other, do you know which? Your reddies ain't from me, btw.
So, ZH is a honey pot? Yer a fkn jeen yus! Why did none of us ever think of that??? Duh. I got a tip for ya' flux, you're probably on the same lists as me. I couldn't care less. You?
...his name was Z A Shah.....his nam was Z A Shah....his name was....
dead Navy seals in this story?
Not sure if this is related to the reference of the Seals and DOD contracotrs but.....
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-cap...
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mystery-deepens-after-t...
footnotes people footnotes for the love of god, don't just assume all of us other assholes know what you are yammering on about, 911 was an inside job....
Every one is using their full brain power. I say, think like a stupid and you might find an answer. What a stupid can do you cannot imagine.
He stole the aircraft. Probably busy changing the serial numbers and digging holes for the passengers as I type.
Hey, that's my line!
Curiouser and curiouser.
One piece of evidence is hiding in plane sight. 45,000 feet is the service maximum for this type of aircraft. Whatever happened before that, if the pilots were incapacitated or simply distracted, the auto-pilot should have (and apparently did) react and bring the plane down to a safer altitude.
Or maybe it's alien abduction.
It was because of that damned video!
Who cares .....WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE !!!!!
Airline travel is relatively safe, because some of us do care.
The problems are found and corrected. Now if that only worked on politicians and kleptocrats.
No. Even in the Airline and Aircraft Manufacturing industry problems are likely to be covered up rather than rectified.
It is about PROFIT...the Bottom Line. This is so pervasive that it is endemic throughout all corporations and politics.
I read another article on ZH today about GM not fixing an Ignition Fault switch that cost a lousy $1. (With the recall of 1.5 Million Cars that is $1.5 Million Dollars...which is equivalent to the annual salary of what??? About 15 to 20 Auto Workers???)
The kleptocrats are running both the Government and the Corporations. It is astonishing that anything actually works.
I dunno who you work for, or are invested in, either personally or collectively thru a 401k or similar. However, if you expect 'income' or 'security', or are looking to some sort of 'retirement' in your old age- YOU are the reason that CEO's clip the corners and fervently hope the dupes themselves (you, again) don't notice.
Like I said, I don't know you. But from what I've read from you, I'm fairly certain you're biting the hand that feeds.
"...which is equivalent to the annual salary of what??? About 15 to 20 Auto Workers???"
Maybe...or it may mean one single member of upper management doesn't get his year-end bonus in 2014. After all, I've always been told by apologists that the upper echelon of the corporate world get paid so well because they're the ones taking all the risk. If that's the case, they should bear the brunt of fixing the problem. If the average Joes take the hit, then the whole "risk taker = money maker" is pure bullshit.
Tom,
I'm beginning to think there is NO industry where problems aren't covered up. I was absolutely SHOCKED how much cover up was in healthcare when I started 30 years ago and, yes, I could tell some shocking tales. Of course it was all about money and what the patient didn't know, you got away with. Believe me it is so simple to impress people the care they are getting is stellar. Why do you think modern hospitals are built like high end mansions today? To feed this illusion. So typical. Spending millions on looks and cutting edge technology does not guarantee competent care.
Miffed;-)
Miffed, first of all- How are ya'? Hope all is well.
This Tall Tom sets off several of my bullshit detectors.
At this point, I think he is just a ball lost in the tall weeds, but I can't rule out many other more nefarious possibilities. Proceed with caution.
At this time, I've been so far down the rabbit hole that recent visitors to the 'other side' call me crazy. And, it's OK.
This is how Tall Tom strikes me- He stuck his head into the hole, and came back out with an announcement. That he wasn't as brave as Alice, who took the whole trip, speaks volumes about our condition.
My dearest ace. Today is my birthday actually. So to celebrate I spent the day working! Things just weren't right in the cards I guess as I posted to a fellow medical friend Jena on another thread. I'm still trying to recover from the horror I had witnessed. I did respond to you on that old thread if you care to look my friend ;-)
As regards to Tom. You and I have an easy breezy way of talking. We post as ourselves as don't really give a fuck what people think. We understand each other. Some others here prefer a persona for reasons they alone know. I think Tom posts in this fashion to prevent himself from revealing himself to much to others. I think there is a lot more of Tom he cares to reveal based on prior pain and sadness. I do not sense nefarious or evil intent. Just someone trying to hide behind the Great Oz. The snippets I have gleaned from him have pointed me in this direction. He has on more than one occasion showed me a great kindness which I am grateful. Certainly violated the meme on ZH by doing so.Besides, I have forgiven him for calling me a one toothed East County Girl ( considering he's right... There are lots of those here! ) Mr Miffed had his hands full when I frothed over that one! But I agree to your assessment about proceeding with caution. I tend to mouth off before considering the consequences and listen to the admonishments for hours. When will I ever learn! ;-)
Miffed;-)
Awshit, Happy Birthday! I had no idea. Here's a virtual *hug*.
You are right about that 'persona' thing. I don't need one, and I'll bet you don't either.
People with actual persona just exist. You have it, it can't be purchased.
The fucked up thing is, that you can't avoid the deer-in-headlights gaze of your neighbors.
They don't want your advice. They think you're kinda goofy, but their lives are spiraling toward the drain.
Soon enough, IT's MY FAULT that their choices didn't pan out the way they'd hoped.
Well of course. Everyone who knows better must be at fault.
It's sheeplogic. Sheep all do the same thing together. They are blameless. Those who are not sheep must be wolves. Therefore when the sheeple become a zombie horde it's for them to kill all those who aren't zombies.
Logic - it's a special thing when context is actualized.
Since I'm not in America I don't get to see it but considering all the complaints about American healthcare I found it not plausible when its proponents jumped out and said "it's the best healthcare in the WORLD!"
Just didn't add up.
From a Corporate pov that switch issue is really 100 million.
They'll have to buy 2.5 million switches at least because they'll buy them from same supplier who caused this to begin with and their will be defects.
Then you have the labor cost added on 1.5 million cars. 75+ million??
Then you add a bin charge to that.
Then is Liability for actual claims when they admit fault.
@Tall Tom a $1 part could cost $100 to replace. For sure it cost a lot more than a dollar; gotta pay the mechanics.
Last I checked Edward Norton actually went over this... in Fight Club.
And if someone kills your stupid ass everyone should ask "Who cares.....what difference does it make!!!!!"? That was a shameful comment to make about people who were in a hellish situation and likely are all dead. Who cares? Any decent human being cares starting with their families and friends.
That is the now infamous Hitlary quote regarding Benghazi bud...
If ya don't know, now ya know, playa!
It was obviously a play on what Hillary pooped out of her mouth after Benghazi but two wrongs don't make a right. Repeating a stupid comment doesn't improve it. Now ya know, playa!
Obviously satire eludes you. I do not believe that Jonathon Swift's essay, "A Modest Proposal", was an actual proposal that the Irish should have babies and eat them in response to the Potato Famine.
And Swift's Essay is required Reading, repeated ad infintum to High School students, to teach the Literay device called SATIRE.
Likewise I will repeat Hillarity's line as a satire to demonstrate just how evil the bitch is...BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT THE PEOPLE TO FORGET BENGHAZI.. I do not want that bitch anywhere near the White House ever again.
It is sad that people may have lost their lives (we do not even know that they have at this point...). Perhaps you are a relative and that is why you are overly sensitive.
However IT IS MORE THAN EVIDENTIAL THAT WE CARE as we are reading and writing about it.
We all know that if it can happen to them then it can happen to us. Many here do have empathy. We can place ourselves in the passengers' shoes.
The Malaysian Government was caught covering up important information. That is the storyline here. It is not much different than the United States State Department covering up what happened in Benghazi.
Thus the satire is relevant and applicable.
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Yeah, all that stuff you say seems profuond, right up until one realizes that God don't care about any of that shit.
God says, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Rev, 2: 9.
I don't know who John the Revelator was referring to at that moment. However, I can surmise that the modern day equivalents are still here.
How far have we fallen? Sad, sad, sad is all I can say.
"By plausible I mean that the scenario fits all the known facts."
I call B.S.!, The Rolls Royes engines have a pinging signal that is sent back to the manufacture during the engine's operation. The signals sent back transmitted everything was normal.
Remember, watch what the other hand is doing i.e.
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And what about Western MSM that "knew" about two Iranians on board with faked passports? Without access to the passengers and the passports, they "knew" not only about faked passports (passports move with the passengers!), but even knew the real identity... It immediately smelled like a Western plot.
Obviously something went not according to plan.
Whenever planes are involved, always the 9/11 flight maneuvre of the official "amateurs" should be kept in mind:
6 km away from the tiny target, they moved the steering to a certain position, flew with 800 instead of ~300 km/h and after more than 180 degree they perfectly hit the towers - try with a car to hit a target only hundred meters away with a radius of 50 m with just one movement of the steering wheel.
Since this maneuver was almost impossible to be done by humans, the only remaining explanation is that the planes were remote controlled. But if planes could be remote controlled in 2001, then it's even easier today...
Fact that alleged security camera photo of the to Iranians are so very, very clearly photoshopped (fake) really makes me wonder. Yes, smells like a Western plot.
This explains it all, in meticulous detail:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_714
According to a retired Boeing engineer, climbing to 45K is the tell-tale sign that someone in the cockpit wanted no resistance from the passenger cabin. At that altitude, the 777 cabin air system doesn't compensate enough for the low air pressure and everybody not on supplemental oxygen will be unconscious from hypoxia in 10 minutes, and dead in 20. What happened after the descent to 23K is anybody's guess.
these planes can fly themselves. "and maybe this one just did."
flying to 45,000 can incapacitate the entire crew. "now someone no even on the aircraft is in charge."
this thing is too perfect in my book. "that says Government" to me. sure...blame the Captain...but no one man can overcome all these redundancies. no cell phone calls? no "honey I'm not gonna make it"?
there is no motive, means opportunity discussion here. Pilot might have had a motive...but his means were highly limited to do all this. Good patsy tho. "Blame the Captain"....move along.
where is carmen sandiego.... ?
or
where is waldo ?
there is the answer
Diego Garcia?
This would never have happened if there were a third seat in the cocpit with a Central Party Loyalty Officer in it. Remember the Hunt for Red October.
Minor Clue..... ""HIS WIFE AND KIDS JUST LEFT HIM""
That Just About Seals It, FUCKED In The HEAD...
And no comments from the wife? WTF is up with that? More cover up from the Malaysian authorities I say.
Because the wife moved out the day after, not the day before. She moved to their second home. Some moron did not translate the original story correctly and it spread like wildfire
Yup. Reminiscent of this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
The aircraft is in Malaysia.
Many holes and misconceptions in this theory
...and besides, we all know it was Richard Jewell.
DB Cooper
>> Many holes and misconceptions in this theory
Such as?
The military in the area shuts off their radar systems at night? Seriously?
Well right, everyone is asleep so why leave them on?
Yes they do. There are vast areas of the planet with lots of air traffic with no radar or radar at only certain times. Very common. That's why pilots have something called "position reporting" during trans oceanic flights
I'm not talking about ATC - I'm talking about the Malaysian's MILITARY radar.
There is no fucking way in hell they all punch the clock at 5:00pm and shut everything down.
Hmmm...Mental Note...Do piracy, attack shipping, at night while Maylasian Military Radars are shut down.
With the pirates operating with seeming impunity in the area then actually it is plausible that they do shut the Radar down...Now that may be fucking stupid for their Military Forces to do that. But it is plausible.
Conversely invade Malaysia at night.
What about the US Naval Forces in the area running a Picket to capture the Pirates. Did they have their Radar turned off also?
Such as...
You would not need to change altitudes from 45 to 23k to knock passengers out. Anything over about 15k will do the job and just would not be any reason to do it regardless
Most non-pilots have big misconceptions about what ground radar can and can not do and the areas it can cover. TV and movies had exaggerated what is possible and in common use. This is why the transponders are so important and why the pilot turned them off. The radar can sometimes see the plane as primary return but the transponder boost the return signal and adds all kinds of info like its altitude back to the radar station.
The thermal imaging system the military use pickup the VERY hot flare of an ICBM missile launch from a usually known location already. They can't watch one of the busiest transport corridors on the planet for every plane flying through. Like looking for a needle in a stack of needles in the dark.
Everything else about the pilot and copilot are wild speculation based on a singe photo of the captain wearing a t shirt. Really thin theory
"A lot of in's and out's." ~ B. Lebowski
And what-have-yous
Bitchez
Better yet - an empty strip mall - how hard could that be?
This was an electronic hijacking, using USAF (out of Guam? Possibly Okinawa) AWACS aircraft to block communications and the signal back to civilian ATC. The flying due west after hijacking was to make the operators (of military radar) think the readings are incorrect, and to get out of radarrange ASAP.
Why was it hijacked, who knows, but if not for whats in the cargo bay, I'm leaning towards 5+ important passengers (from Freescale Semiconductor, most likely).
What do freescale employees know that's worth hijacking a plane for?
Patents and Rotschild owned entity. Enough to get some speculations going, for sure.
I guess no Rotschield on the plane, so go ahead and guess!
Yes. Recently issued patents covering advanced semiconductor fabrication techniques, how to fit more chips on a wafer, etc. Jacob Rothschild owns the company through fronts.
Took a look at that patent. Seems like a very pedestrian patent. Also, all the rights were assigned to Freescale, so there was no reason to kill the inventors to acquire the rights. I suppose you might want to capture them, but again-- it seemed like a routine patent of nothing special, so what's the point of going to all that trouble.
Since when did the Chinese care about patents.
Besides that, what else were those employees working on that has yet to reach the patent office?
BINGO! Give this man a prize. Your analysis is spot on. Understand that those other 4 patent-holders, if they die, they revert back to the last patent holder... Freescale!!!
Patent was assigned by Inventors to Freescale when it was filed, years ago....NEXT wacky theory!?
The patent theory would only have applied to 4 of the 20 Freescale employees, so it just means there is not a whole lot to establish motive on. Everything is speculation.
Diego Garcia.
My money is on the boys with the box cutters.
Sounds like the box cutter brigade has now cooked up a cover story to blame the captain. A guy so radical that he even wears political T-shirts.
Note that the original intel started coming from the US spy agencies first.
Apparently it isn't that hard to fly a 777 from just about anywhere within radio contact that has the right equipment, or so it might seem as of 2001.
This thing smells like recycled 9-1-1 to me.
Maybe the CIA decided it needed a bigger plane to move the heroin out of the Afghani production plants directly to the major markets.
What's the going price of a 777, half a billion $? Better to steal one than to buy one where a lot of questions have to be answered. Even if you CAN afford it from the $800 BILLION annual drug income.
On the other hand, we may just be seeing that plane again, as it crashes into some important icon in the West. Under that scenario, it would probably be blamed on Saudi terrorists who were supposedly working for their government rather than as free agents as last time.
My bullshit detector has gone on overload on this one.
MH370 under remote control??
The revelation comes after police confiscated a flight simulator (pictured) from the home of MH370'S captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah.
Malaysia Airlines believes the co-pilot aboard the missing plane spoke the last words to ground controllers.
latest news:
http://tersee.com/#!q=mh370&t=text
There are other very significant passeners on board as well,
"You Won’t Believe What Spies On Malaysia Plane Were Doing"
http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014/03/spies-on-missing-malaysia-airlin...
big players in the Military Electronics Industry....
Any puts on Malaysian Air the day before?
Freescale Semiconductor broke a basic corporate rule:
Never have all your key people on the same flight. This is something mining co's are well aware of, given that many of them have operations in remote areas, and use second or third tier aviation co's to get there.
Good possibility that it was diverted to diego garcia. Has to be related to two dead navy seals and cargo from the Mearsk ship they were guarding. Also on the inter-web: Russia warned China about suspicious cargo, and China was going to seize plane on landing, making this diversion necessary. All this is bs web rumor, but interesting cloak and dagger spy porn for what it's worth.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/case-closed-hijacked-by-awa...
I will see your "beforeitsnews.com" and raise you a
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-cap...
and
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mystery-deepens-after-t...
Ya wanna get nuts let get nuts.....
..... is this some kind of ObombaCare strategy?????
Flight MH370 and the CIA’s secret interrogation base at U-Tapao Thailand (EXCLUSIVE)
"Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished when its flight transponder was manually turned of at 1.30am in the early hours of Saturday the 8th of April north of Thailand in aviation no mans land between Malaysia, Vietnam and Thailand.
I will not claim I have all the answers but I will put forward a likely scenario which has been very clear to me from day one due to my location, local knowledge and investigative nature following the planes disappearance and clocking up over 70 hours of research following the hunt for the missing plane and seeing through the Tsunami of Disinformation which was all released from US sources."
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"So how can a plane vanish from radar and fly for one hour through Thai Airspace before landing at the US’s secret facility at U-Tapao?
The answer is very simple in reality. When the plane left Malaysian Air traffic control the transponder was turned off and the plane flew into an area where it was joined by a USAF Stealth plane of some description, which at the time was broadcasting a USAF cargo plane call sign. The two identities were switched with the help of at least one nearby USAF E-3 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) plane which jammed local radar and created the smoke screen for the switch of the two planes identities. To be possible there have been unconfirmed reports of two such planes flying in the area at the time.
This stealth plane then flew west over Malaysian Airlines occasionally transmitting a MH370 signal to confuse local Malaysian Military and air traffic control and radar facilities on to the Malacca straights and went back to stealth for its onward flight to the USAF base at Diego Garcia.
I have no doubts that either by high tech means Fly-by-wire ( FBW) or low-tech manual hijacking or even simply bribing one or two of the Pilots the CIA have the ability to hijack the plane and land it undected.
Once flight MH370 had switched identities to a USAF Cargo plane it flew unnoticed into Thai airspace and landed one hour later at U-Tapao and was quickly put into one of the many hangers. I doubt the plane will be still there.
Its interesting to note that a report in the respected China Times newspaper reported a source from the US Embassy Beijing that the US base at U-Tapao had picked up a SOS mayday call from the MH370 at 2.43am requesting immediate landing permission as it was in major difficulties. Since then this report has been cleansed from Global Media reports and the US have failed to confirm or deny the report. I believe this was a leak of a prepared report that was to cover themselves in the possibility of a crash on arrival at U-Tapao.
U-Tapao has long been know by locals for the secretive goings on of US Military personnel..."
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Following up above beforeitnews....
ALL EYES ON DIEGO GARCIA
UPDATE: The prevailing lie now is that the pilots hijacked the plane themselves. QUESTION: Why won’t the NSA tell us where the cell phones are then, and HOW can pilots change the skin of the plane to a stealth version to make it vanish from ACTIVE radar while in flight? Really weak theory that one is.
UPDATE: Five thousand feet? Yeah, five thousand feet of lies.
The engines reported to Boeing via satellite that the plane remained flying at cruising altitude, not 5,000 feet, for at least five additional hours. The air density hitting the engines is an accurate indicator of altitude and if Boeing changed their story, they got bought. At 5,000 feet fuel economy is so greatly reduced that the plane could not have stayed aloft for five additional hours. The low altitude radar evasion story is an easily proven fake just from the fact that a jumbo jet can’t fly long at low altitude because air friction eats all the fuel.
There are numerous alternative theories now, all being pushed by either mainstream media or “mainstream alternative media” and all have major problems. Diego Garcia remains by far the most highly probable location for flight 370. There are three big reasons why flight 370 most likely ended up there, and a few smaller ones
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NOW LET’S GET TO REALITY AND MOTIVES
FACT: Flight 370 stayed logged into satellites which cannot be jammed without blacking out the whole portion of the world they cover (which would be obvious). True, if you thought of it you could jam the receiver on the jet quite easily, but that won’t prevent the jet itself from maintaining an outbound transmission to the satellite, which if jammed would freak out the satellite because you would have to point a jamming signal at the satellite and overwhelm it so badly all the other planes would lose their connections at the same time. If you want your plane theft to be as secret as possible, you can’t jam the sattelite.
One thing with the satellite is that it cannot tell where the plane actually is, it will only know it got signal. You would need three separate satellites all logged into the same plane to figure out where the plane was, and Boeing uses only one log in for obvious economic reasons. Boeing cannot find that plane, they can only say it was in fact alive.
FACT: The plane survived and landed somewhere. AND THE NSA KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE BECAUSE THE CELL PHONES RANG AND IT WAS NOT DEAD RINGING BECAUSE ONE PICKED UP. Ditto for the cell carriers, all of them which are no doubt owned by ******* and will keep their mouths shut. WE KNOW WHO DID THIS, “FAILURE” TO LOCATE THOSE PHONES PROVES WHO DID THIS WITH A SINGLE FACT.
FACT: The entire arab hijacker meme is so worn out and provably CIA that we know that fake passport story belongs in the trash. Add the faked photos for an additional laugh. Why did they push this line? Just like Awacs, all military systems have multiple purposes. When the military system is in the information spectrum in the form of a psy op, they are going to get as much use out of any situation as they possibly can. So while they waterboard those chinese military experts, probably as a precursor to getting military secrets before the waterboarders and their controllers launch world war 3, they decided it would be useful to try to frame up IRAN and blame the plane’s dissapearance on them and use THAT as a reason to start the war they seeked to get an advantage in by kidnapping flight 370 and stealing the Chinese engineers.
FACT: The first thing to go with jamming would be the transponder. Jamming would also keep the pilots from radioing out. Jamming would have a harder time spoofing all radars, and THAT is the part of the plan that did not go perfect, as it would be expected. And I would guess that the plane was taken to a location, most likely Afghanistan, where NO ONE would say a peep about it being there and it would not matter if it was on radar or not.
In fact, once the plane was actually stolen, it would be possible to only jam it’s communications, stop spoofing radar, and identify the plane as something else via a fake beacon on the Awacs plane to get it through another nation’s radar shield without anyone knowing what it was. THAT is what probably really happened.
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But, wouldnt that make this a "conspiracy theory"?!
This was also the first analyses of the no agenda show, less then one day after the event.
ITM dude :)
Just the pilot? A political stunt? Avoiding radar both civilian and military. I'm waiting for a better ending to this story.
How about snakes? On the plane?
lol, simply too far fetched.
Yesterday's news - literally: CNN had this exact info on TV all day.
..but this is news to me.
I don't do cable or satellite, but I believe I tend to be better informed.
While you are not likely very informed, being uniformed by the MSM is the next best thing.
If I want to wear a uniform and be a part of the "Group Think" crowd then I guess that the MSM is the best bet.
It is better to lack information than to be filled with misinformation which is what the MSM tends to present.
I am not slightly skeptical at all. I am skeptical as my trust has been eroded and I have no confidence in the Media, and the Nation, whatsoever. I have read far too many lies from the MSM.
The best bet is to TRASH YOUR TeeVee and cancel your Cable and Satellite Services TODAY.
"While you are not likely very informed, being uniformed by the MSM is the next best thing."
I don't do TV.. MSM..
But I know F'n well I am better informed and more up to date than most.
Exactly, the MSM (and those behind them) will keep floating memes until there's one that causes the least grumbling from the public. I guess they figure the "angry muslim" theme has paid off so handsomely, they'll keep rolling with it. Maybe if it was political, there would've been some actual chatter on the radio (at least to other pilots) to that effect. Also, that politician was jailed years ago--and now he suddenly decides to jack a plane?! I think Charles is waaay off on this one.
" Yesterday's news - literally: CNN had this exact info on TV all day."
Captain, surely you aren't watching CNN all day!
I do watch CNN all day, and don't call me Shirley.
It does not surprise me...
The U(N)SA don't turn off their radars at night and you know that area is watched 24x7. If Boeing and Airbus does not have secret pingers that ping every minute then they are incredibly stupid.
Every cell phone is bugged and monitored. Why isn't a $300 airliner?
Psst..
I can get you one for $150.
Low hours, great condition.
$300? I'll take two!
Finally, a flipping strategy that just might work. I'll take 4, if I can finance.
I will take a hundred. I am not too greedy.
Best summation to date. The Captain was not making up though, that is not how pilots do things. The Captain also did not originate the idea, that is also how Captains work, this smells of Fighter pilot tactics. Malaysian Airforce Colonel or ex-colonel. The aircraft is hidden on a base that the opposition party controls completely. Stratfor already knows this and is crapping thier pants with possible scenarios for the future. EMP beam weapons flown over every military base or truck mounted and aircraft flown. We will know with 30 days of all the searches being called off.
My understanding is that the 777 has its satellite communications gear housed in the top forward section of the fuselage, above and behind the flight deck.
Boeing has issued advisory notices for other models of the 777 in which there was corrosion in this upper section of the fuselage. This advisory did not cover or apply to this specific model of 777 which has gone missing.
An alternate construction of events would be the following:
1) Structural members in the area of the sat com gear fails during flight as the A/C rises to cruising altitude
2) This failure causes the loss of the sat com gear and those communications halt.
3) 12 minutes later the failure progesses and results in the failure of the transponder
4) At some point after that the A/C suffers a failure and the cabin depressurizes
5) Pilots commence turn to return to point of departure but do not complete this manouvre before incap[acitation / death
6) unpiloted aircraft continues on last course and first rises to 40,000 plus ft and then descends as fuel burns off.
7) This entire episode is then used as a pretext to: A) bomb Kazakstan; B) Invade Ukraine by NATO to prevent Russia from invasion (in place of Responsibilty-To-Protect we have Invasion-To-Protect) C) as a rational reason to pump the S&P and every other exchange to the moon.
Yup. Electrical fire in the belly of the beast, possibly started by the battery on the transponder, OR sudden loss of cabin pressure, more or less as described above. Fits the facts without the hype.
The plane continued on it's merry way until it ran out of fuel. Odd form of suicide, is it not?
Passing strange..., like a nail gun.
...so it flew by itself to 45000 ft ...then down to 15000 ft...then leveled off? All while on fire? Ummmmm...nah.
You sir just won the lucid-plausibility award!
Chas. may be correct, but I'm still going Sky Heist!
As for the operational details . . . .
http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
+1 on the Nah.
The primary flaw in this theory is that it assumes we know the time when the ACARS was "turned off". There is no such thing. ACARS transmits periodically and the last ACARS transmission was at 17:07. The next one, expected at 17:37 never happened. Subsequently, the aircraft confirmed passing the IGARI waypoint where the Gulf of Thailand meets the South China Sea. THAT IS ALL WE KNOW. Everything else -- the last radio transmission, signing off from Malaysian ATC to Vietnamese ATC, and the transponder "being turned off" -- all happened at some point during that window between the ACARS signals.
So the entire hypothesis of a human actor maliciously turning shit off and wandering around between waypoints for a few hours is complete speculation.
Staying strictly within the known facts, it is possible that there was a single incident - missile? collision? fire? on-board explosion? structural failure? - that took out the entire craft - no more radio, no more transponder, no more ACARS.
There was NO CONFIRMED RADAR CONTACT with this specific aircraft after that. Malaysian military says they saw *some* a/c flying west - "presumed" to be MH-370, but that is a very busy corridor. Indian mil-radar in the Andamans are on 24x7 and have 1000km over-the-horizon capability - they can track movement as far away as Singapore, and they appear to have not seen any unidentified craft.
The INMARSAT pings are a data-point that says the a/c was X kilometers away based on signal strength. The last ping received is along an arc that goes from Kazakhstan to Antarctica -- but the eastern section of the arc passes within a few kilometers of... *ding*ding*ding*... IGARI, the last known waypoint location. They are not telling us what distance the previous pings were, but my money is that they were all from the same spot because the damn thing is under the water there. That is near where the Vietnamese and Chinese coast-guard photographed some debris and a jet-fuel slick, but the Malays and the US say it is not related.
Meanwhile, they are telling everyone to go on a nice cruise to the Southern Indian Ocean to look for something that isn't there. I don't know what it is they are trying to cover-up in the sea off the coast of Vietnam, but I guess they need time to retrieve and destroy the flight-data recorder... once that is done, I expect we might be told that they *found* the wreckage.
I've been hearing news related to this plane day in and day out. Could someone explain to me why this is important?
No sarcasm. Why is this plane different from all the other planes that went down or disappeared? Was there something important on board? A truckload of liver transplants, an army of Iranian nuclear scientists, a container of CIA drug money, a squad of mercenaries headed for Crimea?
What's so special about this plane? I mean, a Malaysian flight! Don't half of their planes go missing every week?
Please note passanger list seat 12F Daniel Bearden Cooper
The key piece of evidence has finally been released by Malaysian authorities: Pilot Spoke to Air Controllers After Shutoff of Data System (NYT.com).
Ruh ro rorge.
What if the pilot thought all was well? This disappearance by upset pilot theory makes very little sense. Why, what could he hope to accomplish? Why no statement or claim? A total mystery accomplishes nothing for him or his cause.
if there is a political motive (a pilot just took control of a plane flying to Italy and tried to divert to Switzerland to seek political asylum) I agree it makes no sense to disappear yourself.
it does make sense if your trying to steal something on the plane.
the only reason Malaysian Authorities would withhold material facts is that they were desperately trying to find the aircraft themselves "for State purposes."
Agree with the TD's here...release the cargo manifest. "That was a lot of crew, very few passengers and a full load of fuel."
We have to assume someone in the crew did it because there was no sign of hostility and they checked in AFTER it was turned off. People don't just wander in from the cabin to the cockpit and start turning knobs & pushing buttons. I'm not going terrist here, it looks like theft to me. And the Malaysian military wasn't exactly helpful either whether by intent or incompetence, puzzling.
The object (IMO) was the theft of the plane itself, kidnapping of passengers (some or all) or the cargo down below.
Nothing else makes sense, it altered course. That takes a pilot.
"We have to assume someone in the crew did it"
There is, unfortunately, a precedent for this line of reasoning which happened in the same area back in 1997.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
Curiously, the TV show "Mayday" aired this episode a couple of days ago, which could just be coincidence, but a strange synchronicity nonetheless.
Family problems
Need money
Angry, low impulse control and high time preferance
It all came together on Fed Ex Flight 705
Via Wiki:
"Auburn Calloway, a Federal Express employee facing possible dismissal for lying about his previous flying experience, boarded the scheduled flight as a deadheading passenger with a guitar case carrying several hammers and a speargun. He intended to disable the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder before take-off and, once airborne, kill the crew using the blunt force of the hammers so their injuries would appear consistent with an accident rather than a hijacking. The speargun would be a last resort. He would then crash the aircraft while just appearing to be an employee killed in an accident. This would make his family eligible for a $2.5 million life insurance policy paid by Federal Express.[1]"
I do not know why someone will junk you for REPORTING THE TRUTH.
That made an excellent Mayday Episode. (I am glad that the Documentaries are on the Internet.) That was a vicious fight and it was amazing that they were able to land the aircraft after sustaining their injuries from the malcontent.
That is not the case. It requires a flightplan to be entered into the FMS, and the relevant autopilot VNAV and LNAV modes activated.
After that the pilot can do some impromptu parachuting for all it matters, the aircraft will still fly that plan, and it can even auto fly an RNAV-VNAV precision approach on the auto-throttle all the way to touch down without any pilot intervention other than to lower gear and flaps. It will fly right on to the runway, in the touch down zone and very close to the centerline. Problem is you need a pilot to apply the brakes at that point and keep it straight on the roll out. It can land like that, day or night, in any weather, where crosswinds, shear an ice are both medium to low.
However, the pilot is required by regs to fly the last bit manually. These jets will fly with far less than 100 meters drift, 99.9% of the time with less than 10 m drift on approach, and exactly as the flight plan stipulates, including speed and altitudes at each waypoint. They have flight precision performance basically just like a cruise missile.
Still points to the pilot/crew my man.
You'd think so, but you'd be wrong.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-t...
http://rt.com/news/malaysia-airlines-computer-missing-462/
> Nothing else makes sense, it altered course. That takes a pilot.
No, it does not. Waypoints are programmed, and a non-pilot *can* select a waypoint to navigate to.
However, I would like to ask where we have *confirmation* that it altered course?
There was NO POSITIVE ID on the a/c that Malaysia claims to have seen on their MIL-radar. Interestingly, NONE of the other countries with radar and/or mil-sats have backed up these claims. I have no idea what the source of information is that said that the plane was tracked moving from one waypoint to another for several hours, and whether this is fact? inference? or misdirection?
Exactly, I don't understand how this confirms anything. The pilot could not have known that someone turned it off and perhaps thought that everything was ok. If I were an angry political extremeist I wouldn't hijack a plane and try to committ suicide somewhere off-the-grid, I'd go out in a blaze of glory and make a statement...
The Petronas Towers are just asking for fully fueled plane and 500 mph impact.
Yes. Why wouldn't he slam the thing right into the heart of the "beast" (that he saw)? What's the capability of Malaysia's airforce, would they be able to intercept?
Malysian Airforce able to intercept?
They turn the radars off at night.
All the pilots go home after afternoon tea.
The only guy left in the building was the sweeper and he was watching porno on the big command screen.